And less opinionated. Mobius is Earth make sense. It was even mentioned in Sonic OVA from 99'e (yes, it is a shit outside amazing fight with Metal, but that is not the point): th-cam.com/video/OxhMYk_xljQ/w-d-xo.html
Well, isn't he? All of them (figuratively speaking) had taken the mantle of superheroes to defend Earth from all threats, internal and external. All of them are even willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause. They're like soldiers of this world who are willing to lay down their lives so that we can sleep soundly at night. And what good are soldiers if they cause a civil war? They'll just wreck more chaos and destruction. Look up past and modern conflicts, espescially the civil war kinds, and you'll see my point.
You'er gonna let a govenment that was sleeping on a massive chi,d sex ring decide where heroes go to save people? Oh yeah, the government decides who to save and who to let die
I can't get over that the Archie Sonic comics, for once, got a mention in these Top lists. Though, I do agree with the choice for number 10, regardless.
Am I the only one that liked identity crisis? I thought it added mystery, as well as showing the heroes in a different light, while also applying a darker tone.
I don't mind the different shades of personalities from DC heroes .. The thing with this comic is that many decisions didn't made any sense and they were only for shock value, not to mention there was virtually no pay off, I mean Dr Light never did anything worth after the comic, Sue's death was completely unnecessary and the brain washing was really out of character for pretty much everyone. So yeah, not a fan.
Identity Crisis was legit. So was Civil War. Both titles got me back into reading DC & Marvel, respectively. I accept your criticisms, starting now. I'm just glad there's a black dude on WCC now!
If you can't be good be "bloody" careful. Brilliant, simply brilliant phrasing. Curious did we not want to mention Wally West twist of killing himself and leaving all of us in awe?
@@redbird4168 Usually, their presenters are all white so seeing that one is a black guy is a shock. To quote Palpatine, "A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one." I get the feeling you are reading way too far into that guy's comment.
Cap's Avengers didn't lose in the sense that Iron Man's forces defeated them. After being accosted by non-supers, Cap realized the destruction that was being caused by their battle and surrendered. Fury's LMD are part of his legend at this point. Grouping together all of those reveals diminishes the times when the reveals were actually pretty awesome. Hopefully one day Nick Fury will stop being "The Unseen" and resume his place as the top spy in the Marvel Universe.
I don’t know. Secret invasion was a pretty good story based on a good concept. I personally thought the twists actually came into the buildup not the end, which made it a bit different
Bank Robber who doesn't know Spiderman surrendered when Spidey threatened to 'summon the spiders' and everyone in the bank played along; 'Oh, no, Spiderman, *anything* but the spiders!' Robber saw a spider in an office plant, freaked out, and surrendered his weapon. Funny enough the Spider Trackers that Spiderman uses to, well, keep track of his stuff (he also had one in MJ's wedding ring) uses technology similar to Hank Pym's ant-tech, as he discovered when he asked Pym to help find his wallet, no joke. This means Spidey could theoretically make a gadget to summon a horde of spiders!
My top three: Identity Crisis Number One. Check. Clone Wars. Check, but it deserved to be even higher. Bringing back Jason Todd. Seriously. Jason Todd staying dead was the one super-hero death that offered any sense of permanent continuity. Their refusal to commit to even that was the final nail in long-running comic-book continuity.
I think with the current social climate, it would be the perfect time to introduce a serious take on Anarky in film and I'd love to see it. I liked him in the Arkham games too.
He really shit on the Hush change? The motivation of Hush was amazing and an awesome twist. The point of making you think it was JT was why it becomes a "twist" and not just the general plot...
Here's another stupid twist: Retconned Cassandra Cain (in name only) killed Harper Row's Mom, Batman & Robin Eternal. An obvious turn before it was revealed, and as well as a vain attempt to strain an undeveloped but instantly solidified friendship in one example of many of Tynion's penchant for cheap emotional manipulation. Dear lord, that entire story was a mistake.
The tragedy that is Identity Crisis can be forgiven because Brad Meltzer also wrote Archer’s Quest. Jeph Loeb is my favorite comic author and for every five amazing stories he writes he has at least one real stinker. It’s just how it goes for most authors.
So, That "Mobius was Earth" nonsense? THAT was all Ken Penders. After the lawsuit was dealt with, Archie erased all that Penders did, including that stupid retcon, with the Super Genesis Wave.
Love the new guy but 4 things 1. Civil War was dope 2. Secret Invasion was dope 3. I love that of all the ridiculous things about Sharon you didn't mention the fact Cap used to bang her aunt in WW2 then upgraded to the 21st century model after getting unfrozen 4. Am I the only one who always assumed the Mobius twist was what happened even before Archie failed horribly at trying to be Adventure Time before Adventure Time was a thing?
Modern comics are complete crap. Modern writers and most fans take this shit way way too seriously. Comics work best when written for kids 8-14 years old. Embrace the inherent goofiness
Welcome to the future bub. People are liking the darkish interpretations of the heros. DCeased is one of them that I don't think I've found anyone genuinely dislike?
Xorn wasn't actually Austen's fault but Bendis'. He had Magneto appear at the end of "Avengers: Disassembled" to pick up the Scarlet Witch. Austen had the unwelcome pleasure to deliver an Explanation.
Why does everyone always dump on Identity Crisis? I liked that story and thought it put up a good grey area of super-heroes keeping their identity a secret.
DC and Marvel both are a cesspool of contradictory arcs and plots that that never get resolved or even left left alone Talking about the many times that when they killed someone off, it was either not them, or not permanent Not amused
Hush being Jason Todd would have scrapped what turned out to be an amazing story in under the red hood. It being Thomas Elliot was out of no where and unexpected. You’re right. Which is what made it good. We spent a year getting to know this character, and he turns out to be an incredible foe against Batman? Hell yeah. A lot of this list is reaching pretty far mate. But that entry was just plain silly.
I disagree with most of this list. I do enjoy the presenter. Would love to see some personal stories from the crew about which comic runs made them fans.
The grand comic edition is always a something that should include a big deep plot I think many of which have a few twisted ideas or ideas that have happened before just a retelling of a strange one the muliverse plot is used lots it is clever to have a hidden history from the rest of the universe of a hero that has two or three different origins but not current to the one universe or another dimension he or she has a family history that is linked to a villain or cosmic god that isn't much more than a twist of fate. Hero's origin's are very different to the original stories of which always changes evertime but if they go bad or mad their status is rewriting the heart of origin is a tree a lot of roots and lot of paths.
Yeah, Identify Crisis. Wiping Batman's brain should have had consequences. Bruce is not the most well-adjusted character on a good day. No way would he not find out or take it nicely. And for what reason did Zatanna agree to this idea? He wouldn't beat her up but the rest of the Justice League are running close to getting Bat-punched and thrown in Arkham. Not worth the risk, remember Bruce has files on everyone's weaknesses. Even superheroes aren't this dumb.
I don’t agree that the twist of the Justice League wiping out memories is stupid ! I thought it was interesting to see that even they sometimes do things that are morally questionable !
@@Nerwrax15 well I mean when you're protecting the world from a gray man that wants to pound your head in like a watermelon, and also live in well, to put it bluntly, a world where a lottttttt of the villians are genuinely horrible people (added to the fact the worst of them, Joker, can kill thousands of people and never get any real punishment because he escapes all the time) I can kinda understand why they did what they did.
9:15 not really there is worst offenders then that And LMD are great And have a problem with that then you have problems with doombot and sinster clones It’s doesn’t ruin anything
Kraven: That right! I was Spider-Man the whole time.
Harry Osborn: Then who was Kraven?
Kermit the Frog: I was.
*intense music*
O_____O
That's a whole new level of awesome! ^o^
Most stupid twists in comics...
...you're gonna need a bigger list.
JustAName
Not just a bigger list a whole schedule to do them all
Multiple part videos maybe.
And less opinionated. Mobius is Earth make sense. It was even mentioned in Sonic OVA from 99'e (yes, it is a shit outside amazing fight with Metal, but that is not the point):
th-cam.com/video/OxhMYk_xljQ/w-d-xo.html
I really like this presenter
Lol nice,
The biggest stupid twist in Civil War was the fact that we were supposed to believe Captain Americas team were in the wrong the whole time :P
Well, isn't he? All of them (figuratively speaking) had taken the mantle of superheroes to defend Earth from all threats, internal and external. All of them are even willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause. They're like soldiers of this world who are willing to lay down their lives so that we can sleep soundly at night.
And what good are soldiers if they cause a civil war? They'll just wreck more chaos and destruction. Look up past and modern conflicts, espescially the civil war kinds, and you'll see my point.
I feel there's more of a debate of who's right or wrong in the first civil war. Civil war 2 tho, captain marvel is just wrong
You'er gonna let a govenment that was sleeping on a massive chi,d sex ring decide where heroes go to save people?
Oh yeah, the government decides who to save and who to let die
@@alexanderchristopher6237 Nah that was all self defense
@@bunny_wilder I feel like it's the other way around
I could listen to this guy talk all day. Enjoyed the video
Anthony Jaggers
The new guy sounds interesting he just needs a bit more emotion a bit
Then again he’s new so he needs to ease in before being comfortable
I was gonna type this brov... but you wrote it first. So true
Yeah much better than Evan and that other guy.
If you can’t be good, then be bloody careful.
Monarch: You thought it was Captain Atom, but it was I Hawk!
Dio Brando: Am I joke to you?
Everyone here's talking about comics meanwhile I'm still hung up on there where vampires in general hospital?
That does sounds completely crazy doesn’t it.
Given that the devil showed up possessing a main character on Days of Our Lives? Nothing is off the table after that!
Welcome to the WC family Aurie. Loved your out to dude.
Still can't get over that there is a) a black dude doing videos for WhatCulture and b) a non-Adam is doing a video for WhatCulture!
Jamel Watson - right! I was excited.
Jamel Watson ikr, a surprise, but a welcome one
Bout time
I can't get over that the Archie Sonic comics, for once, got a mention in these Top lists. Though, I do agree with the choice for number 10, regardless.
This new guy started great! Honest and with good comments.
Didn't WhatCulture just release a video where Secret Invasion was praised as one of the best plot twists in comics history?
Yo this new guy is dope asf. Need this guy to do more lists
Am I the only one that liked identity crisis?
I thought it added mystery, as well as showing the heroes in a different light, while also applying a darker tone.
That darker tone has spent the last twenty years breaking DC Comics because they forgot how to lighten up.
I don't mind the different shades of personalities from DC heroes ..
The thing with this comic is that many decisions didn't made any sense and they were only for shock value, not to mention there was virtually no pay off, I mean Dr Light never did anything worth after the comic, Sue's death was completely unnecessary and the brain washing was really out of character for pretty much everyone. So yeah, not a fan.
I also liked it as a whole but I didn't like the twist of the killer's identity.
I still maintained the clone saga could’ve work if the marketing team didn’t hijack the story and ran the entire story to the ground
Yup!
TheRezro indeed
Exactly!
This is one of the best videos I've seen!!
Keep homie on these videos and I will keep liking, sharing and commenting!!!
Welcome Aurie! (This is the first video I've seen you present.) And well done.
And as always, thank you all so very much for your video.
Identity Crisis was legit.
So was Civil War.
Both titles got me back into reading DC & Marvel, respectively.
I accept your criticisms, starting now.
I'm just glad there's a black dude on WCC now!
This channel is the stable comic book channel for me.
Identity crisis was good and set the relationship for Batman and the Justice League that is still in play today. Secret Invasion was also amazing
I try to forget that the storylines The Clone Saga, Past Sins, and One More Day exist.
We all do
This guy kills it as a narrator
I like this guy. Give him more scripts watchmojo.
You mean whatculture ?
@@SilverByakuya ehhhh whats the difference
SilverByakuya lmao yes I did. Forgive me I sparked an L with this video and by the end I forgot what channel I was on.
If you can't be good be "bloody" careful. Brilliant, simply brilliant phrasing. Curious did we not want to mention Wally West twist of killing himself and leaving all of us in awe?
Whatculture hired a black person?
What a twist!
What? 😶
@@redbird4168 Usually, their presenters are all white so seeing that one is a black guy is a shock. To quote Palpatine, "A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one."
I get the feeling you are reading way too far into that guy's comment.
As soon as he started talking I said the same thing
5:50 no that he’s bi polar
And two secret invasion wasn’t even like that
They barely even change anything of note
That picture of Wolverine at 0:37 is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.
Cap's Avengers didn't lose in the sense that Iron Man's forces defeated them. After being accosted by non-supers, Cap realized the destruction that was being caused by their battle and surrendered.
Fury's LMD are part of his legend at this point. Grouping together all of those reveals diminishes the times when the reveals were actually pretty awesome. Hopefully one day Nick Fury will stop being "The Unseen" and resume his place as the top spy in the Marvel Universe.
Lol @ “silly even for a Batman villain”!
I don’t know. Secret invasion was a pretty good story based on a good concept. I personally thought the twists actually came into the buildup not the end, which made it a bit different
The new guy is dope.
FINALLY SOME ARCHIE SONIC LOVE~!!!
You should do more videos relating to Archie, and Fleetway Sonic Comics.
@Raul Gonzalez Are you okay?
Ironically the Clone Saga is what got me into comics.
Love this presenter! He is great!
Bank Robber who doesn't know Spiderman surrendered when Spidey threatened to 'summon the spiders' and everyone in the bank played along; 'Oh, no, Spiderman, *anything* but the spiders!'
Robber saw a spider in an office plant, freaked out, and surrendered his weapon. Funny enough the Spider Trackers that Spiderman uses to, well, keep track of his stuff (he also had one in MJ's wedding ring) uses technology similar to Hank Pym's ant-tech, as he discovered when he asked Pym to help find his wallet, no joke.
This means Spidey could theoretically make a gadget to summon a horde of spiders!
One of the dumbest has to be Iceman was gay all along. A dumb tactic to get people interested in Bendis run of X-Men
My top three: Identity Crisis Number One. Check. Clone Wars. Check, but it deserved to be even higher. Bringing back Jason Todd. Seriously. Jason Todd staying dead was the one super-hero death that offered any sense of permanent continuity. Their refusal to commit to even that was the final nail in long-running comic-book continuity.
0:35 What the eff was that?!?
Tolkien was HOBBITS.
LOVECRAFT was cthulhu.
Welcome to the internet.
I think with the current social climate, it would be the perfect time to introduce a serious take on Anarky in film and I'd love to see it. I liked him in the Arkham games too.
He was in one of them
@@TheDjbz which film was he in? I don't remember him at all.
HopeHouse44 I apparently misread your comment as you’d like to see him in the game series 😂
@@TheDjbz no problemo
He really shit on the Hush change? The motivation of Hush was amazing and an awesome twist. The point of making you think it was JT was why it becomes a "twist" and not just the general plot...
Here's another stupid twist: Retconned Cassandra Cain (in name only) killed Harper Row's Mom, Batman & Robin Eternal.
An obvious turn before it was revealed, and as well as a vain attempt to strain an undeveloped but instantly solidified friendship in one example of many of Tynion's penchant for cheap emotional manipulation.
Dear lord, that entire story was a mistake.
There is something didn't know thank you what culture for telling about that sonic comic thing
How did "One More Day" NOT make this list?
Diarrhea is a hell of a plot twist yo! Uh!
Hey you forgot General Hospital had an alien storyline back in the 80s. So Vampires sounds about right.
Respectfully elegant analysis/&dissection🎥👑
Is this the new hire? Like him!
The tragedy that is Identity Crisis can be forgiven because Brad Meltzer also wrote Archer’s Quest. Jeph Loeb is my favorite comic author and for every five amazing stories he writes he has at least one real stinker. It’s just how it goes for most authors.
Batman leaves Catwoman for Polka-dot Man
So, That "Mobius was Earth" nonsense? THAT was all Ken Penders. After the lawsuit was dealt with, Archie erased all that Penders did, including that stupid retcon, with the Super Genesis Wave.
Love the new guy but 4 things 1. Civil War was dope 2. Secret Invasion was dope 3. I love that of all the ridiculous things about Sharon you didn't mention the fact Cap used to bang her aunt in WW2 then upgraded to the 21st century model after getting unfrozen 4. Am I the only one who always assumed the Mobius twist was what happened even before Archie failed horribly at trying to be Adventure Time before Adventure Time was a thing?
Clone Saga... I get it...but INDENITY CRISIS?? Damn brah
Well said.
Modern comics are complete crap. Modern writers and most fans take this shit way way too seriously. Comics work best when written for kids 8-14 years old. Embrace the inherent goofiness
Welcome to the future bub. People are liking the darkish interpretations of the heros. DCeased is one of them that I don't think I've found anyone genuinely dislike?
Xorn wasn't actually Austen's fault but Bendis'. He had Magneto appear at the end of "Avengers: Disassembled" to pick up the Scarlet Witch. Austen had the unwelcome pleasure to deliver an Explanation.
Unpopular opinion:
I don’t think Identity Crisis was as bad as everyone says it is
Not that unpopular
Batwoman #25, where we find out that Batwoman and Flamebird are the cousins of Batman is still stupid...
Looks pretty good
Could you do a top 10 list of best twist in comics next?
David Dyster Does any plot twist in comics is even good to begin with?
I knew Aurie was a brother straight away.
Imagine thinking Hush was a bad twist bc no one saw it coming.....you know.....the point of big twists in villain identities.
I loved the real clone saga!
Fuckin general hospital? I'm ouT
Awesome....~~More of this smooth talking nerd, please.
Putting Watchmen in the DC universe is a stupid plot twist that ruined Watchmen
>Sonic has a garbage story.
Well that's how it gained its fandom, which writes equally garbage stories.
*cough* jane as thor *cough* *cough*
Not a top 10 but the time they tried to make Cassandra Cain evil is up there
0:09-0:16 Gold Experience Requiem be like
Any reboot of a beloved series that is written by another writer who has no love of every character in the series is stupid.
Why does everyone always dump on Identity Crisis? I liked that story and thought it put up a good grey area of super-heroes keeping their identity a secret.
wait so there was both a marvel and dc storyline titled identity crisis? Huh I was only familar with the spider-man one until about five minutes ago.
How is heroes being Skrulls a bad twist just because it retcons stuff? Comics retcon stuff all the time.
DC and Marvel both are a cesspool of contradictory arcs and plots that that never get resolved or even left left alone
Talking about the many times that when they killed someone off, it was either not them, or not permanent
Not amused
Blame the fan, casual or professional, who want their favorite character to come back.
Vampires showed up in General Hospital???🤔
Hush being Jason Todd would have scrapped what turned out to be an amazing story in under the red hood.
It being Thomas Elliot was out of no where and unexpected. You’re right. Which is what made it good. We spent a year getting to know this character, and he turns out to be an incredible foe against Batman? Hell yeah.
A lot of this list is reaching pretty far mate. But that entry was just plain silly.
Yeah it's not though
Number 1 is disrespectful.
I disagree with most of this list. I do enjoy the presenter. Would love to see some personal stories from the crew about which comic runs made them fans.
I started collecting Spider-Man comics in 1979. A couple years after the clone saga I stopped. That’s how bad it ruined the character for me.
1rst one kinda makes sense
7:46 yeah dude,that's the point of a twist. if you see it coming it's not a very good twist.
The grand comic edition is always a something that should include a big deep plot I think many of which have a few twisted ideas or ideas that have happened before just a retelling of a strange one the muliverse plot is used lots it is clever to have a hidden history from the rest of the universe of a hero that has two or three different origins but not current to the one universe or another dimension he or she has a family history that is linked to a villain or cosmic god that isn't much more than a twist of fate.
Hero's origin's are very different to the original stories of which always changes evertime but if they go bad or mad their status is rewriting the heart of origin is a tree a lot of roots and lot of paths.
Finally a new host that's not shit
Strongly disagree with #6. Secret Invasion was great. Civil War wasn't great but it wasn't terrible either.
Idk I thought secret invasion was alright
Sins Past is terrible...
Ok Ori, I see you
The Clone Saga was not fun to read as a kid. I love Miles but couldn't get into Riley.
Yeah, Identify Crisis. Wiping Batman's brain should have had consequences. Bruce is not the most well-adjusted character on a good day. No way would he not find out or take it nicely. And for what reason did Zatanna agree to this idea? He wouldn't beat her up but the rest of the Justice League are running close to getting Bat-punched and thrown in Arkham. Not worth the risk, remember Bruce has files on everyone's weaknesses. Even superheroes aren't this dumb.
I don’t agree that the twist of the Justice League wiping out memories is stupid ! I thought it was interesting to see that even they sometimes do things that are morally questionable !
.....the most powerful team of heroes on the planet should NOT be morally questionable....
@@Nerwrax15 well I mean when you're protecting the world from a gray man that wants to pound your head in like a watermelon, and also live in well, to put it bluntly, a world where a lottttttt of the villians are genuinely horrible people (added to the fact the worst of them, Joker, can kill thousands of people and never get any real punishment because he escapes all the time) I can kinda understand why they did what they did.
I actually really liked Identity Crisis idc
Legit did not know you guys had black people working for you! 😂
"See Ma? They come in this color too!" - Gabriel Iglesias 😂
Could be worse in the Animated Hush film it's not Jason Todd or Thomas Elliot under the bandages the actual answer is just plain stupid
Identity Crisis....uh NO!!
Superman isn't dead. He went into a stgri gsd t ssf gfj and is back because kryptonian science. Has ruined all comics
He already did dozen times before Death of Superman. It is hilarious that people believed that it was permanent 0_0
@@TheRezro Remember that DC propped it up to be the actual end of Superman
@@the83rdtrombonist60 thats what you call marketing. Its stupid to think they would kill off superman
Wow
#bringAriback
9:15 not really there is worst offenders then that
And LMD are great
And have a problem with that then you have problems with doombot and sinster clones
It’s doesn’t ruin anything
Tsk, more Ewan.