It never fails to amuse me that the Devil in this movie is literally just a guy in a mullet wearing denim. But to the actors credit, he put out one hell of a performance. Every vicious grin, every snarky line of dialogue, he nails with perfection.
Perfect evil does not smirk or take pleasure in things. It may use that to spread, but the goal is complete destruction of all things and an overwhelming hatred for everything, including itself. Pop evil is a pretentious imagining of evil, usually just showing humans with low empathy and high levels of cruelty. That's not true evil, its just a human pretending to be cool.
This takes me back as it is burned in my head from 30 years ago and I never saw it since. But I could envision certain things to perfect clarity in my mind. The filming is so very 90s tv series and I love it, reminiscent of a more 90s original V
I re-read The Stand for the first time in decades about 6 months before Covid hit. The actual first half of the book is an absolute master class in how to write about an apocalypse. It’s still my favourite Stephen King novel although during Covid I didn’t get any dreams from Mother Abigail. Maybe next time lol…
Let’s all hope not. I want to think we got a brief glimpse into what could happen. But I’ve got that feeling in the back of my mind that says “ it’s not over yet”
I honestly loved the movie but the book just evoked so much more of an emotional response in my opinion. You couldn't feel anything but a kind of blissful sadness when in the novel Larry is cut off in mid sentence saying "I will fear no evil, I will f"... White light consumed all those righteous and not righteous
Actually, I think they managed to capture the heart of it, in the book I didn't like Frannie very much. But in the series she was great. And having her give birth to a girl was almost like mother Abagail had been reborn.
Amen showed salvation to the righteous who are saved, and destruction of the unrighteous. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD the only way to GOD! The Sovreign Loving LORD GOD KING JESUS CHRIST loves you so much that He died for your sins on a Cross and rose again, that's how much He loves you, yes, YOU reading this! He was flogged, His beard was plucked out, He was mocked, spit on, beaten, tortured, heartbroken beyond human comprehension, and eventually He gave up His own life on that Cross at Calvary and rose again 3 days later.. Just so you and I and whosoever believeth in Him shall be save so we can be with Him forever in His Kingdom! O how there isn't a greater form of love than this! ✝️💖🥹 Dear *HEAVENLY FATHER GOD* in *JESUS* MIGHTY NAME I pray that You bless and save whoever reads and believes Your Gospel through Your Son and our LORD The RISEN LORD GOD KING JESUS CHRIST!! *KING JESUS CHRIST* IS *LORD GOD* THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND *HE* IS RISEN *HE* LOVES YOU SO MUCH THAT *HE* DIED FOR YOUR SINS AND ROSE AGAIN!!! Sudden destruction has fallen upon Israel just as prophesied in the Book Of Isaiah before the Rapture, JESUS CHRIST is coming to Rapture us whom belong to Him, whosoever accepts Him as personal genuine LORD and SAVIOUR shall be saved and Raptured. JESUS loves you and I love you
Barry Dorgan is played by real-life Chicago PD detective Chuck Adamson. By this time, he had been retired for a number of years and worked in the film industry as a technical adviser and occasional actor. He was close friends with Michael Mann and was actually the inspiration behind Al Pacino's character in "Heat." You can see him again in Beverly Hills Cop as one of the freight smugglers who packs the crates Eddie Murphy investigates.
@@twofiveb Farina and Adamson did indeed know each other - they were both technical advisors for Mann on the movie "Thief" and both had small roles in the film, too.
A novel from the "cocaine is a helluva drug" stage of of Stephen King's writing career, compressed and stripped of what little subtlety the book had and squatted out into a made for TV cowpat with all the nuance of a Sunday School cartoon.
Flagg calls Whitney a jellyfish...but actually, he had more guts than many of the leaders who knew deep down Flagg was no good but had no courage to go against him...Like the Head cop. Spineless. Whitney stood up to flagg probably knowing he would die because of it.
it is crazy how many movies and books '' randall flag '' is actually in, as he has many names and keeps returning in the stephen king universe. I loved this version so much, and i will never understand how the new one could have been so botched lol.
Great book, OK movie. Came out when everything King wrote was up to being made into a movie. Tonight, on the ABC movie of the week, Steven Kings "The Groceries List" . The horrors of shopping in small town Maine. Starring Andy Griffith, Shelley Winters, Scott Bao, and Valerie Bettinelli.
This version was 1,000 times better than the 2020 version. I never would have believed a network could ruin "The Stand" but CBS succeeded beyond anyone's wildest nightmares.
It's funny that despite how powerful Flagg is, he is limited. He gets embarrassed and insulted when the old dude laughs at him in the Jail Cell, and makes Lloyd shoot him. I think that Flagg actually could not kill the three himself. I think that the symbolic thing here is that they were protected by God and Flagg really could not touch them himself. That's why he had to have others do it for him. Throughout this movie, no matter how powerful he seems to be, he is basically powerless against the Boulder Colorado people.
@@danielmcgillis270 I believe you are correct. One of the 3 spies did die but she killed herself in front of Flagg so as not to tell him anything. Not sure if he would have been able to do anything to her. But he may have had others do it. I think you are correct.
Seems like Flagg is not in fact the Devil, but just a minion or spawn of him. He's described in the early parts of the novel as just a faceless "man" who can suddenly do magic and all that, and might have been around for various evil events in the past. Who was he before that? Why was he chosen? One wonders. But he's not all-powerful, of course. The question of why he cannot even foresee Trashcan Man going out to get the biggest fire of all, is never answered. Flagg would know the weapons are out there. Flagg has massive blind spots. Why? I know he shows up as other antagonists in various other King works including The Gunslinger books, but I don't think he's really The Devil per se in any. That would be too pat, too easy.
if God is looking out for Larry and the others, why does he let them die in Vegas? Of course he spares Tom and Stuart. King's ending is muddled to say the least, although of course it's totally apocalyptic and that's what the novel is, ultimately, both post and pre-. Bateman laughs at Flagg like he's some impotent joker. If Flagg's "daddy" is so great, why has he made him so weak with so many chinks in his armour? He fails in his evil mission. It doesn't make any sense but it makes for a good book and movie. Or maybe the point is that those with faith need to sacrifice themselves to accomplish Flagg's destruction (but that depends on Trashy's return to Vegas with the bomb). So, the novel's suggesting it's everyone's fate, and you cannot escape it. That's my take on it. I first read this novel in 1978 grabbing the Signet paperback of it, and it scared the fucking shit out of me. And I am not religious in any way. The problem watching this or reading it now in 2023 is, I don't believe in religion still, even more so than years ago, and the Hand of God thing is just pretentious codswallop as far as I'm concerned, hokum. Give me a break. God could have smote Vegas and Flagg at any time ahead of that moment. If HE'S so powerful!! What a load of shit! But yeah, it otherwise makes for a gripping novel and film. I wouldn't analyze it too much, though. It doesn't hold up unless you're a total religious fanatic.
@@ShadowSonic2 Fair enough, but goddamn, you've brought the whole society of mankind to a single significant event, and then you throw your hands up and go "hell, IDK LOL Let's blow 'em all to hell!" Maybe he should've devoted some more thought to the apex of this novel before going on. At least this miniseries tried to do the best it could with the material.
One of my all time favorite movies. The acting was superb. Got the point across without being preachy. Plus it had the power to keep all my nephews and nieces undivided attention. And that is saying a lot back then. I recently came across it on DVD. Time to pass it on to their childeren
I actually cried when watching the scene where Larry and Ralph were saying the Lord's Prayer when Glen died. This adaptation has captured the heart of the book, even though it cuts large sections out.
actually one could extrapolate from the text of the book that randall knew his spell could interact that way with the bomb. which is why he freaked out, as knowledgeable as he clearly was. those sorts of ordinances require specific arming stages to occur that happen in flight or during the drop. in theory it could be detonated by someone tinkering with it long enough, but that would take time and be easy to stop. unless, say, a spell was drawn to the atomic energy and made it go off via magic.
I loved this version so much I bought the DVD and the Stephen King book. It was amazing how star studded this version was. I can even forgive the dodgy special effects at the end. Gary Sinise will always be Stu before he was Captain Dan for me.
I’ve seen this ending brought up when people say King can’t write endings, but I actually like this one. It fits with the imagery and themes presented in the book, but I was more surprised that it was foreshadowed early on. When Stu meets Glen and Kojak, Glen gives a scenario of two cities, one diplomatic, one a dictatorship, and he says that if one city has technical know-how and the other doesn’t, then they’ll war with each other, maybe nukes would be involved. It’s a lot better in the book than I’m doing justice, but this ending was set up and is a pretty good payoff.
I thought it was dumb when I read it in middle school. But when I reread it during Covid as an adult, I loved it. Now that I'm old enough to have actually had my faith challenged and understand the more mature themes of the novel, this is one of my absolute favorite Stephen King books and I think it's one of the best books of the 20th Century. I think The Stand will be remembered long after Faulkner and Hemingway have been forgotten
Spectator one. "Hey, Joe, ya' think we made a mistake coming to Vegas in the first place? Think we should've gone to Boulder?" Spectator two "Y'know, I'm startin' to think that too, Jim."
@@starky4079 Babes, I had literally JUST finished reading the novel when I replied to this comment. Like, same day. Abby Freemantle was, for all intents and purposes, the "hand of God" when she was alive. It follows then that she is the hand that detonated the nuke.
@@shauntbarry And doesn't waste the audience's time. If you're setting the bomb off anyway why waste time zapping fools with lightning? I think children had a hand in writing the remake.
Caesar 98 in the end,the true hero was the one we never suspected.The loyalist servant of the dark ended up serving the light in the greatest way.It’s beautiful in its irony.
I love it when Hollywood racks a shotgun for effect. "What; you were guarding me with an unloaded weapon? Or.. "did you just drop a perfectly good round somewhere on the floor?
pat waddington Think they all did here, but Whitney was the only one to stand -Stand?-up against him, and look what happened to him! Earlier on, Whitney had told Lloyd he could feel it going bad, and was sorry he'd ever joined up with 'his infernal majesty.'
you are right, and I agree with you, it was more shocking that although the people were standing by to watch crucifixions and knowing that Randall Flagg was evil, these people still chose to stay. It had more power that way that just showing them as an angry mob.
Me too they were just in fear of Flagg. Hopefully the new show follows the book more closely that way. And Flagg teleports from his clothes, not sure why in this version he just turns into a crow lol
That line where Larry says: "Take us home" has always resonated with me because it's not in the book and if you read the book and Larry Underwood's backstory, you would understand why. The Larry Underwood depicted in the series was an even more likeable guy than the one in the book. His character evolves drastically and ends up sacrificing himself for what he believed would be an absolution for mankind and for himself. I love The Stand so much, both the movie and book. It will always haunt me with its message and delivery.
Honestly, Larry Underwood is my favorite Stephen King character (and that's saying something, because King has some great characters). Underwood is also probably the one I relate to the most and I love his evolution from completely unlikeable douchebag (King spends like, 100 pages establishing how much of a douche he is) to genuinely likable hero
I haven’t read it in a very long time but I have a vague memory of liking a Robert McCammon book called Swan Song a lot better than the Stand. It also was a post apocalyptic kind of story with good vs. evil etc. He wrote some great books that probably could have been nicely adapted.
What makes no sense, and I thought this since I first read the abridged book in 1980, is why did Glen, Larry and Ralph have to die? They are "sent West", Stu gets a pass by breaking his leg so Tom can find him and escort him safely back to Fran, the other 3 end up in Vegas. It was never clear what they are expected to do, so you are waiting for some divine deus ex purpose and something they actually DO that resolves things a purpose. But no, they get captured and banged up. Glen gets shot in his cell. Larry and Ralph get taken out for execution. Then Trash turns up with the missile and blows the town up killing Flagg and all the "evil" people. Which would have happened anyway. So why did they have to go West just to die in the bomb blast with the baddies? Them being there did nothing to make Trash turn up with the bomb. They died for nothing. Same with the 3 "scouts"- the judge and her who just went there and got killed, they didn't learn anything or bring anything back. Tom got out alive, finds Stu, then the bomb goes off. The whole point of the exercise was what? Five got sent there to die for nothing. All they had to do was to stay in the Frees one, and Trash turns up with he bomb and blows up Vegas. Problem takes care of itself. This is the one thing that always bugged me about this great book and it's film.
I had the same feeling after finishing the book this week, although mine was the unabridged version so I don't know what was cut from yours. I'd say they needed someone to be executed there, which was the straw that broke the camel's back for Whitney and why he found the courage to speak against Flagg. Flagg killed him with his blue fireball for that, which would then later ignite the bomb, that the Trashcan man brought into town. It's a chain of events that was only possible due to the planned execution, because otherwise, they would've just killed Trashcan man when he showed up, and gotten rid of the bomb without detonating it. But that still doesn't explain why it had to be all three of them: Glenn, Larry and Ralph. Larry would've been enough as he was the main guy to talk to the crowd (even though I wanted him to die the least as he was my favourite character). Ralph did absolutely nothing and all Glenn did was increase Flagg's mental instability, which I THOUGHT would lead to something, but it actually didn't. Maybe he just went with them so Kojak had a reason to join them on their journey, so that he later could stay with Stu and save his life. But yeah, Ralph being there was absolutely pointless. The three scouts, provided they were even part of the "divine plane" so to speak, were effective by making Flagg become unstable and therefore resulted in his followers, most of all Whitney, having second thoughts about him: the botched assassination on the Judge, Dana's unexpected suicide before she could tell him about Tom, and his complete inability to "see" Tom. All of these were failures that called his power into question and made him vulnerable. Sidenote: Am I the only one who thought that Fran was a really annoying character at times?
The Following is the words from the book that go with this scene it is sheer poetry : He was behind the wheel of a long, dirty electric cart. The cart's heavy-duty bank of batteries was nearly drained dry. The cart was humming and buzzing and lurching. Trashcan Man bobbed back and forth on the open seat like a mad marionette. He was in the last stages of radiation sickness. His hair was gone. His arms, poking out of the tatters of his shirt, were covered with open running sores. His face was a cratered red soup from which one desert-faded blue eye peered with a terrible, pitiful intelligence. His teeth were gone. His nails were gone. His eyelids were frayed flaps. He looked like a man who had diven his electric cart out of the dark and burning subterranean mouth of hell itself. Flagg watched him come, frozen. His smile was gone. His high, rich color was gone. His face was suddenly a window made of pale clear glass. Trashcan Man's voice bubbled ecstatically up from his thin chest: "I brought it . . . I brought you the fire . . . please. . . I'm sorry . . ." It was Lloyd who moved. He took one step forward, then another. "Trashy . . . Trash, baby . . ." His voice was a croak. That single eye moved, painfully seeking Lloyd out. "Lloyd? That you?" "It's me, Trash." Lloyd was shaking violently all over, the way Whitney had been shaking. "Hey, what you got there? Is it--" "It's the Big One," Trash said happily. "It's the A-bomb." He began to rock back and forth on the seat of the electric cart like a convert at a revival meeting. "The A-bomb, the Big One, the big fire, my life for you!" . "Take it away, Trash," Lloyd whispered. "It's dangerous. It's . . . it's hot. Take it away . . ." "Make him get rid of it, Lloyd," the dark man who was now the pale man whined. "Make him take it back where he got it. Make him--" Trashcan's one operative eye grew puzzled. "Where is he?" he asked, and then his voice rose to an agonized howl. "Where is he? He's gone! Where is he? What did you do to him? Lloyd made one last supreme effort. "Trash, you've got to get rid of that thing. You--" And suddenly Ralph shrieked: "Larry! Larry! The Hand of God!" Ralph's face was transported in a terrible joy. His eyes shone. He was pointing into the sky. Larry looked up. He saw the ball of electricity Flagg had flicked from the end of his finger. It had grown to a tremendous size. It hung in the sky, jittering toward Trashcan Man, giving off sparks like hair. Larry realized dimly that the air was now so full of electricity that every hair on his own body was standing on end. And the thing in the sky did look like a hand. "Noooo!" the dark man wailed. Larry looked at him . . . but Flagg was no longer there. He had a bare impression of something monstrous standing in front of where Flagg had been. Something slumped and hunched and almost without shape-something with enormous yellow eyes slit by dark cat's pupils. Then it was gone. Larry saw Flagg's clothes--the jacket, the jeans, the bootsstanding upright with nothing in them. For a split second they held the shape of the body that had been inside them. And then they collapsed. The crackling blue fire in the air rushed at the yellow electric cart that Trashcan Man had somehow driven back from the Nellis Range. He had lost hair and thrown up blood and finally vomited out his own teeth as the radiation sickness sank deeper and deeper into him, yet he had never faltered in his resolve to bring it back to the dark man . . . you could say that he had never flagged in his determination. The blue ball of fire flung itself into the back of the cart, seeking what was there, drawn to it. "Oh shit we're all fucked!" Lloyd Henreid cried. He put his hands over his head and fell to his knees. Oh God, thank God, Larry thought. I will fear no evil, I will f Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
I have to agree. When I was reading the book, I was expecting some epic battle of good and evil to happen... Something along the lines of ''God descends, kills Flagg and then raises the good to Heaven and the bad to Hell.'' But then again, I guess that would make other plot elements pointless, like Fran's baby or the Free Zone meetings. But while I was disappointed by the climax, I still feel this book was an amazing journey and is worthy of the praise it's given.
I have to confess, I woiuld differ. Despite 'The Stand' being one of King's great landmark novels, it didn't do much for me. Apocalypse, yeah, that's scary and tough...but Flagg's stupidity ruined it for me.
Was in Vegas 82-94. Read the newspaper of taping of The Stand at downtown. Closed off section in front of Plaza. Funny that people there wearing clothes during January warm days of 65 degree while northeast was freezing.
I like the guy at the end who stands up to flag and says no this isn't How We Do It in America this isn't us I'm sure God saved him to because he repented at the last moment. This is why we need from people right now
My opinion as well. I'm not all that impressed with the God of the Bible, but-- if there is a divine entity, some actual representative of Good, Whitney at the very last chance anybody there had, placed himself with that.
The fact that Flagg put his trust in so many mentally unstable and plain old stupid people showed just how incompetent he was. Trashcan man was literally an arson loving schizophrenic. Nadine (according to the movie version) was a pill popping, nervous wreck. The two men who were ordered to stop the Judge were trigger happy and ended up messing up the plan by shooting the judge in the face. Most people in Flagg's camp were ansty and emotionally damaged, and Flagg cooked his own goose. I see him as the extra, extra, extra evil version of Loki, he causes chaos, throws hissy fits and has a need to be seen. He literally let a man with a lust for blowing things up work around nuclear bombs...and lo and behold, not only did Trash, off impulse due to his schizophrenia, blow up the planes Flagg was using to nuke the Free Zone, but he also bought the most dangerous nuke to the middle of Las Vegas in attempt to win Flagg over from his mistake...which God used to destroy the city. Just goes to show that evil aides to its own destruction. He literally was outdone by God, who had used some of the most seemingly regular people: a drifting deaf-mute, a farmer, a singer, a widower, a mentally challenged man with the mind and pure heart of a three year old, a retired Judge, a retired professor, a dog, and most of all, a tiny little old lady, who at a 106 was still making her own bread.
It's not only that he put his trust in these idiots, but he didn't even accept the responsibility of actually fitting them into his grand scheme. He left that to Lloyd--by far his most competent minion. With Trashy, all Flagg did was spam his dreams with visions of burning everything, then left Lloyd with the thankless task of integrating him into Vegas. Indeed, I would say the only reason Vegas worked as well as it did was due to Lloyd...and he started out as a two-bit hood with no impulse control.
@@ryanjackson3428 yup. And near the end, you could tell Lloyd began to regret working for Flagg, but remained loyal because Flagg didn't let him starve to death in prison.
@@PepperJade93 That FOX Show "The Following" had the same message. A serial killer creates a Cult full of other killers or unstable people he was able to pull together with his charm and charisma...and then they're unable to follow his plans right because of their instability and poor impulse control. The whole thing collapses because they're too crazy to stay together.
If you go with the interpretation of Randall as Nyarlathotep, then losing is inconsequential. The goal is creating chaos and toying with people via that chaos.
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It never fails to amuse me that the Devil in this movie is literally just a guy in a mullet wearing denim. But to the actors credit, he put out one hell of a performance. Every vicious grin, every snarky line of dialogue, he nails with perfection.
Randall Flagg is just an evil sorcerer, not the devil. He just serves him.
Between 78, when it was written and the first rendition, this was a style for "cool" guys to wear.
A devil, not THE devil. @@realhashman
Perfect evil does not smirk or take pleasure in things. It may use that to spread, but the goal is complete destruction of all things and an overwhelming hatred for everything, including itself. Pop evil is a pretentious imagining of evil, usually just showing humans with low empathy and high levels of cruelty. That's not true evil, its just a human pretending to be cool.
@@RobertEWaters As someone with sensory problems denim is the devil.
This takes me back as it is burned in my head from 30 years ago and I never saw it since. But I could envision certain things to perfect clarity in my mind. The filming is so very 90s tv series and I love it, reminiscent of a more 90s original V
This is absolutely my favorite Stephen King book like them all but this is my favorite ❤
one of my favorite movies of the time
"Life imitates art far more than art imitates life"-Oscar Wilde
My last trip to Vegas was just like this! Great town.
I re-read The Stand for the first time in decades about 6 months before Covid hit. The actual first half of the book is an absolute master class in how to write about an apocalypse. It’s still my favourite Stephen King novel although during Covid I didn’t get any dreams from Mother Abigail. Maybe next time lol…
Me too
Let’s all hope not. I want to think we got a brief glimpse into what could happen. But I’ve got that feeling in the back of my mind that says “ it’s not over yet”
Jamie Sheridan rocks this role & then did a complete about face as McGee's dad in NCIS. Now that is talent
This is so 90s! I'm wallowing in the nostalgia.
8:36 wow a whole breakfast for $1.48?! I miss the 90's
Vegas breakfast!
@@Heretic1981 yeah, so unlimited eggs, pancakes and bacon sounds good to me
PG Tips 😂🤣 the 90s my childhood !
When you were able to get 10 gallons of gas for less than $9.
And to think there’s morons who didn’t like the 90’s
I vaugely remember seeing this on TV when I was a child and have been searching for this scene for a long LONG time.
I honestly loved the movie but the book just evoked so much more of an emotional response in my opinion. You couldn't feel anything but a kind of blissful sadness when in the novel Larry is cut off in mid sentence saying "I will fear no evil, I will f"...
White light consumed all those righteous and not righteous
Actually, I think they managed to capture the heart of it, in the book I didn't like Frannie very much. But in the series she was great. And having her give birth to a girl was almost like mother Abagail had been reborn.
Amen showed salvation to the righteous who are saved, and destruction of the unrighteous. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD the only way to GOD! The Sovreign Loving LORD GOD KING JESUS CHRIST loves you so much that He died for your sins on a Cross and rose again, that's how much He loves you, yes, YOU reading this! He was flogged, His beard was plucked out, He was mocked, spit on, beaten, tortured, heartbroken beyond human comprehension, and eventually He gave up His own life on that Cross at Calvary and rose again 3 days later.. Just so you and I and whosoever believeth in Him shall be save so we can be with Him forever in His Kingdom! O how there isn't a greater form of love than this! ✝️💖🥹 Dear *HEAVENLY FATHER GOD* in *JESUS* MIGHTY NAME I pray that You bless and save whoever reads and believes Your Gospel through Your Son and our LORD The RISEN LORD GOD KING JESUS CHRIST!! *KING JESUS CHRIST* IS *LORD GOD* THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND *HE* IS RISEN *HE* LOVES YOU SO MUCH THAT *HE* DIED FOR YOUR SINS AND ROSE AGAIN!!! Sudden destruction has fallen upon Israel just as prophesied in the Book Of Isaiah before the Rapture, JESUS CHRIST is coming to Rapture us whom belong to Him, whosoever accepts Him as personal genuine LORD and SAVIOUR shall be saved and Raptured. JESUS loves you and I love you
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord
Barry Dorgan is played by real-life Chicago PD detective Chuck Adamson. By this time, he had been retired for a number of years and worked in the film industry as a technical adviser and occasional actor. He was close friends with Michael Mann and was actually the inspiration behind Al Pacino's character in "Heat." You can see him again in Beverly Hills Cop as one of the freight smugglers who packs the crates Eddie Murphy investigates.
A lot of people don't know that. He got into a shootout here in chicago with Robert de nerons character back in the 60s. Good call!
Interesting. Dennis Farina was also a Chicago P.D. detective before becoming an actor. They probably knew each other while still on the force.
@@twofiveb Farina and Adamson did indeed know each other - they were both technical advisors for Mann on the movie "Thief" and both had small roles in the film, too.
@@JuddKramer Now I am going to watch Thief. Looking forward to it.
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A novel from the "cocaine is a helluva drug" stage of of Stephen King's writing career, compressed and stripped of what little subtlety the book had and squatted out into a made for TV cowpat with all the nuance of a Sunday School cartoon.
Mick Garris and co did the best they could with the budget and censorship restrictions, thoroughly impressed with this adaptation.
I agree with you 110%.
Cold chills
Randal Flagg AKA: He Who Walks Behind the Rows. Yes, he's the demon from children of the corn.
flagg is the evil at the center of the kingverse
Faith is the evidence of things unseen and the substance of things hoped for
Flagg calls Whitney a jellyfish...but actually, he had more guts than many of the leaders who knew deep down Flagg was no good but had no courage to go against him...Like the Head cop. Spineless. Whitney stood up to flagg probably knowing he would die because of it.
Yep. Drew the line late, but he drew it.
This was such a good movie.
2020 it was like the Stand
it is crazy how many movies and books '' randall flag '' is actually in, as he has many names and keeps returning in the stephen king universe. I loved this version so much, and i will never understand how the new one could have been so botched lol.
made for contemporary values and "modern audiences"
I remember seeing it on television definitely had an effect call us
Great book, OK movie.
Came out when everything King wrote was up to being made into a movie. Tonight, on the ABC movie of the week, Steven Kings "The Groceries List" . The horrors of shopping in small town Maine. Starring Andy Griffith, Shelley Winters, Scott Bao, and Valerie Bettinelli.
I bet King could take something as simple as a grocery list and make a hell of a story out of it.
I'm dying over here! 🤣🤣🤣
And now... we're living it.
"is that you Loyd". For some reason this makes me laugh.
I like how Randall randomly whips out an execution scroll.
My favorite word, wich I still use at the range. POKERRIZED!!
i loved Shawnee Smith in this show, i also loved that girl who played mya on just shoot me. i also love this scene.
She was a naughty little cutie, eh?
Definitely the better of the 2 versions of The Stand. The cast was amazing.
On a side note, I miss being able to drive down Fremont St
This version was 1,000 times better than the 2020 version. I never would have believed a network could ruin "The Stand" but CBS succeeded beyond anyone's wildest nightmares.
The 2020 one had it's good points.
The 2020 legit had a better ending and was closer to source idk why you ppl praise this so much.
@@ameer781 I swear to God, I thought Skarsgård was going to start twerking on the balcony
I agree 1000%
@@ameer781No, it didn't.
I have the dvd and watch it about 2-3 times a year
It's funny that despite how powerful Flagg is, he is limited. He gets embarrassed and insulted when the old dude laughs at him in the Jail Cell, and makes Lloyd shoot him. I think that Flagg actually could not kill the three himself. I think that the symbolic thing here is that they were protected by God and Flagg really could not touch them himself. That's why he had to have others do it for him. Throughout this movie, no matter how powerful he seems to be, he is basically powerless against the Boulder Colorado people.
Flag could only kill those who had given themselves to him. Others he needed to have others kill for him.
@@danielmcgillis270 I believe you are correct. One of the 3 spies did die but she killed herself in front of Flagg so as not to tell him anything. Not sure if he would have been able to do anything to her. But he may have had others do it. I think you are correct.
Seems like Flagg is not in fact the Devil, but just a minion or spawn of him. He's described in the early parts of the novel as just a
faceless "man" who can suddenly do magic and all that, and might have been around for various evil events in the past.
Who was he before that? Why was he chosen? One wonders. But he's not
all-powerful, of course. The question of why he cannot even foresee Trashcan Man going out to get the biggest fire of all, is never
answered. Flagg would know the weapons are out there. Flagg has massive blind spots. Why? I know he shows up as other antagonists in various other King works including The Gunslinger books, but I don't think he's really The Devil per se in any. That would be too pat, too easy.
if God is looking out for Larry and the others, why does he let them die in Vegas? Of course he spares
Tom and Stuart. King's ending is muddled to say the least,
although of course it's totally apocalyptic and that's what the novel is, ultimately, both post and pre-. Bateman laughs
at Flagg like he's some impotent joker. If Flagg's "daddy" is so great, why has he made him so weak with so many
chinks in his armour? He fails in his evil mission. It doesn't make any sense but it makes for a good book and movie. Or maybe
the point is that those with faith need to sacrifice themselves to accomplish Flagg's destruction (but that depends on
Trashy's return to Vegas with the bomb). So, the novel's suggesting it's everyone's fate, and you cannot escape it. That's
my take on it. I first read this novel in 1978 grabbing the Signet paperback of it, and it scared the fucking shit out of me.
And I am not religious in any way. The problem watching this or reading it now in 2023 is, I don't believe in religion still,
even more so than years ago, and the Hand of God thing is just pretentious codswallop as far as I'm concerned, hokum.
Give me a break. God could have smote Vegas and Flagg at any time ahead of that moment. If HE'S so powerful!! What a load
of shit! But yeah, it otherwise makes for a gripping novel and film. I wouldn't analyze it too much, though. It doesn't hold up unless
you're a total religious fanatic.
How come the Hand of God didn't come down and kill Hitler?
Never worx out ... not YET!!!
I remember my mother yelling at the tv as she watched this unfold. HAND OF GOD??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? HE COULDNT THINK OF ANYTHING BETTER?
King openly admitted that he was suffering from serious writers' block by this point.
@@ShadowSonic2 Fair enough, but goddamn, you've brought the whole society of mankind to a single significant event, and then you throw your hands up and go "hell, IDK LOL Let's blow 'em all to hell!" Maybe he should've devoted some more thought to the apex of this novel before going on. At least this miniseries tried to do the best it could with the material.
@@ShadowSonic2tons of coke
@@Paulitica like the kiddy gang bang in the novel IT its like WTF was he on when he wrote that?!
It actually translated better in the book since the religious aspect was explored more in detail throughout the book.
One of my all time favorite movies. The acting was superb. Got the point across without being preachy. Plus it had the power to keep all my nephews and nieces undivided attention. And that is saying a lot back then. I recently came across it on DVD. Time to pass it on to their childeren
I actually cried when watching the scene where Larry and Ralph were saying the Lord's Prayer when Glen died. This adaptation has captured the heart of the book, even though it cuts large sections out.
So much better than the god awful remake
actually one could extrapolate from the text of the book that randall knew his spell could interact that way with the bomb. which is why he freaked out, as knowledgeable as he clearly was. those sorts of ordinances require specific arming stages to occur that happen in flight or during the drop. in theory it could be detonated by someone tinkering with it long enough, but that would take time and be easy to stop. unless, say, a spell was drawn to the atomic energy and made it go off via magic.
Me too...
@@ericcartman7361 Tell me about it. Waste of a good cast (except the awful Amber Heard.)
Why is it Glen always dies?
This is so much how people act today or want to act
Everyone who tried to escape Randall’s clutch was either murdered or committed suicide. Larry wasn’t wrong there.
I enjoyed the remake for what it was but this version was so much better and I wish it was longer.
I loved this version so much I bought the DVD and the Stephen King book. It was amazing how star studded this version was. I can even forgive the dodgy special effects at the end. Gary Sinise will always be Stu before he was Captain Dan for me.
Lieutenant Dan...
Wonderful book and movie 💥🌟💖
I just finished watching this and thought it was great. Characters made the story interesting.
I never saw the second version 0f this story. Im so happy i didnt
I’ve seen this ending brought up when people say King can’t write endings, but I actually like this one. It fits with the imagery and themes presented in the book, but I was more surprised that it was foreshadowed early on. When Stu meets Glen and Kojak, Glen gives a scenario of two cities, one diplomatic, one a dictatorship, and he says that if one city has technical know-how and the other doesn’t, then they’ll war with each other, maybe nukes would be involved. It’s a lot better in the book than I’m doing justice, but this ending was set up and is a pretty good payoff.
I thought it was dumb when I read it in middle school. But when I reread it during Covid as an adult, I loved it. Now that I'm old enough to have actually had my faith challenged and understand the more mature themes of the novel, this is one of my absolute favorite Stephen King books and I think it's one of the best books of the 20th Century.
I think The Stand will be remembered long after Faulkner and Hemingway have been forgotten
Agreed. As hokey as it looks it's still a pretty faithful adaptation of this scene. Much better than the more recent attempt.
Yes, this is one of his best endings.
What literary geniuses think Stephen King can't write endings? 🤣🤣🤣
The problem is that this isn't the ending. In the extended version you still have about a hundred pages of the two survivors getting back to Boulder.
Was that Terry Bradshaw at the end in the cowboy hat?? Cowboy 🤠
Spectator one. "Hey, Joe, ya' think we made a mistake coming to Vegas in the first place? Think we should've gone to Boulder?"
Spectator two "Y'know, I'm startin' to think that too, Jim."
A bomb. What a copout of an ending after such a long story
The inspirational Disney Christmas music being played while Abigail ignites the nuke kills me every time
Starman i know this shit is so corny
That was the hand of God!
@@larryunderwood8021 That's what they said. If you think Abby Fremantle ain't the hand of god idk what to tell you.
@@Keith_Petersen_Actor she did NOT detonate the nuke in the novel. It was simply God. Read the novel.
@@starky4079 Babes, I had literally JUST finished reading the novel when I replied to this comment. Like, same day. Abby Freemantle was, for all intents and purposes, the "hand of God" when she was alive. It follows then that she is the hand that detonated the nuke.
I like how even Randall Flagg (the devil) was creeped out by "Trash Man"
This ending is far better than the 2020 version..
Eh...not really.
@@ShadowSonic2 The hand of god scene is far better than lightning...
@@shauntbarry And doesn't waste the audience's time. If you're setting the bomb off anyway why waste time zapping fools with lightning? I think children had a hand in writing the remake.
This version is the best
"You've done good boys....come on Home...."
“Take us home.”
Yes YHWH Father....
😔
"Can I stay for a little while longer Mother Abigail I don't think we got them all?"
My life for you
Watching this is 2021 and we still fighting covid19.
The beginning of the remake felt a little too close to home lol
This is the best one the hand of God comes down
the movie was so tame.... the BOOK scared the shite out of me
I got freaked out by parts 1 & 2 particularly. 3 & 4 had moments here & there.
I loved the 2020 version so much I went back and watched this version
" my life for you". Trash man wasn't necessarily talking about randle flag. Even though he was crazy, I feel God used him just for that purpose.
Caesar 98 in the end,the true hero was the one we never suspected.The loyalist servant of the dark ended up serving the light in the greatest way.It’s beautiful in its irony.
That makes so much sense.
He's Gollum. He's literally the Gollum of the Stand.
Yup that was his job...
@@MaxxCoyote Technically, King wanted the the novel to be the American counterpart of Lord Of The Rings
I love it when Hollywood racks a shotgun for effect. "What; you were guarding me with an unloaded weapon? Or.. "did you just drop a perfectly good round somewhere on the floor?
Haha. 👍
I wondered that too.
Could you imagine if someone ever made that comment in movie when that happened?
the best way to rack a shotgun for dramatic effect is to catch the round in the air and return it to the chamber mid-racking, without skipping a beat
I’ve always loved gun sound effects....😁👍
I read the book years ago and it scared the hell out of me
I waited for years for the movie to come after reading the book
In the book, the people in Las Vegas were much more sympathetic. I liked it better that way.
Yeah they all basically knew Flagg was nuts by the end
pat waddington Think they all did here, but Whitney was the only one to stand -Stand?-up against him, and look what happened to him! Earlier on, Whitney had told Lloyd he could feel it going bad, and was sorry he'd ever joined up with 'his infernal majesty.'
you are right, and I agree with you, it was more shocking that although the people were standing by to watch crucifixions and knowing that Randall Flagg was evil, these people still chose to stay. It had more power that way that just showing them as an angry mob.
Me too they were just in fear of Flagg. Hopefully the new show follows the book more closely that way. And Flagg teleports from his clothes, not sure why in this version he just turns into a crow lol
@@CorbalianVoss A reminder that mobs are people. Something people forget for many different reasons.
Pretty decent for a TV movie-series
RIP Nick Andros
the acting at 6:22 is "chefs kiss"
*Hand of God appears*
Lloyd: “Get away!” 😂
Not like he could utter his actual final words in a made for TV movie.
@@jonnyg9865 What were they?
@@Ragitsu "Oh shit we're all fucked!" LOL
Genius cinema
Stephen king is a gifted man
I like the nuke guy
I find him...."relatable"
"Take us home."
Chills everytime
WyldJezter me I get sad.
@ajholcombe yeah, the saddest part of the novel
@@vjan.1939 It's a beautiful part if you know where you are going when you die
@@an0ana Well said. No fear. Just anticipation.
@@RosyAfterglow Exactly! I'm not afraid to die, just of spiders :P
Randal should have yelled" can you dig it" trick" baby, can you dig your man"
That line where Larry says: "Take us home" has always resonated with me because it's not in the book and if you read the book and Larry Underwood's backstory, you would understand why.
The Larry Underwood depicted in the series was an even more likeable guy than the one in the book. His character evolves drastically and ends up sacrificing himself for what he believed would be an absolution for mankind and for himself. I love The Stand so much, both the movie and book.
It will always haunt me with its message and delivery.
"I haven't even started yet Randell"
Honestly, Larry Underwood is my favorite Stephen King character (and that's saying something, because King has some great characters). Underwood is also probably the one I relate to the most and I love his evolution from completely unlikeable douchebag (King spends like, 100 pages establishing how much of a douche he is) to genuinely likable hero
It was 4 yrs ago you made these comments. I read them today and I am still compelled to write. Take home mother. It always chokes me up.
M O O N
That spell moon.
Good show.
I love how Lloyd says 'get away' at the hanf of God 😅. Nothing escapes God's judgment.
I love all of steven king's movies
When Flagg's assistant says "Get away!" To God's hand, did he REALLY think that would work?
Flagg sure dipped out tho. 🤣
No the explosion got him too....anything a 100 mile radius is destroyed....even as a bird cant fly away that fast
About 4 weeks ago I got this on DVD for $2 from the local tip shop. I have not seen it since it first came out. I quite enjoyed watching it again.
Still can't believe I watched this entire thing in one sitting. God damn beautiful story.
If memory serves it was about 8 hours long wasn't it? I had it on a double VHS back in the day!
I really thought Ralph and Larry were going to live by some miracle.
I highly recommend reading The Swan Song by Robert R. McCammon. Bloody brilliant similar to The Stand.
Yes, that was a great book as well, hope in the face of armageddon
The Audiobook is here on TH-cam.
I haven’t read it in a very long time but I have a vague memory of liking a Robert McCammon book called Swan Song a lot better than the Stand. It also was a post apocalyptic kind of story with good vs. evil etc. He wrote some great books that probably could have been nicely adapted.
And with that, Walter(Flagg) heads back to Midworld.
M-O-O-N -- that spells nukular explosion
MY LIFE 4 YOU!!!!!
Like EVERY screenplay of EVERY book that Stephan King wrote, that they tried to make a movie of, the fucked this one up, enormously!
What makes no sense, and I thought this since I first read the abridged book in 1980, is why did Glen, Larry and Ralph have to die? They are "sent West", Stu gets a pass by breaking his leg so Tom can find him and escort him safely back to Fran, the other 3 end up in Vegas. It was never clear what they are expected to do, so you are waiting for some divine deus ex purpose and something they actually DO that resolves things a purpose. But no, they get captured and banged up. Glen gets shot in his cell. Larry and Ralph get taken out for execution. Then Trash turns up with the missile and blows the town up killing Flagg and all the "evil" people. Which would have happened anyway. So why did they have to go West just to die in the bomb blast with the baddies? Them being there did nothing to make Trash turn up with the bomb. They died for nothing. Same with the 3 "scouts"- the judge and her who just went there and got killed, they didn't learn anything or bring anything back. Tom got out alive, finds Stu, then the bomb goes off. The whole point of the exercise was what? Five got sent there to die for nothing. All they had to do was to stay in the Frees one, and Trash turns up with he bomb and blows up Vegas. Problem takes care of itself. This is the one thing that always bugged me about this great book and it's film.
I had the same feeling after finishing the book this week, although mine was the unabridged version so I don't know what was cut from yours. I'd say they needed someone to be executed there, which was the straw that broke the camel's back for Whitney and why he found the courage to speak against Flagg. Flagg killed him with his blue fireball for that, which would then later ignite the bomb, that the Trashcan man brought into town. It's a chain of events that was only possible due to the planned execution, because otherwise, they would've just killed Trashcan man when he showed up, and gotten rid of the bomb without detonating it. But that still doesn't explain why it had to be all three of them: Glenn, Larry and Ralph. Larry would've been enough as he was the main guy to talk to the crowd (even though I wanted him to die the least as he was my favourite character). Ralph did absolutely nothing and all Glenn did was increase Flagg's mental instability, which I THOUGHT would lead to something, but it actually didn't. Maybe he just went with them so Kojak had a reason to join them on their journey, so that he later could stay with Stu and save his life. But yeah, Ralph being there was absolutely pointless.
The three scouts, provided they were even part of the "divine plane" so to speak, were effective by making Flagg become unstable and therefore resulted in his followers, most of all Whitney, having second thoughts about him: the botched assassination on the Judge, Dana's unexpected suicide before she could tell him about Tom, and his complete inability to "see" Tom. All of these were failures that called his power into question and made him vulnerable.
Sidenote: Am I the only one who thought that Fran was a really annoying character at times?
@@WurzelknechtFran was the absolute worst character in the novel and movie.
Agreed
The Following is the words from the book that go with this scene it is sheer poetry :
He was behind the wheel of a long, dirty electric cart. The cart's heavy-duty
bank of batteries was nearly drained dry. The cart was humming and buzzing and
lurching. Trashcan Man bobbed back and forth on the open seat like a mad
marionette.
He was in the last stages of radiation sickness. His hair was gone. His arms,
poking out of the tatters of his shirt, were covered with open running sores.
His face was a cratered red soup from which one desert-faded blue eye peered
with a terrible, pitiful intelligence. His teeth were gone. His nails were gone.
His eyelids were frayed flaps.
He looked like a man who had diven his electric cart out of the dark and
burning subterranean mouth of hell itself.
Flagg watched him come, frozen. His smile was gone. His high, rich color was
gone. His face was suddenly a window made of pale clear glass.
Trashcan Man's voice bubbled ecstatically up from his thin chest: "I brought
it . . . I brought you the fire . . . please. . . I'm sorry . . ."
It was Lloyd who moved. He took one step forward, then another. "Trashy . . .
Trash, baby . . ." His voice was a croak.
That single eye moved, painfully seeking Lloyd out. "Lloyd? That you?"
"It's me, Trash." Lloyd was shaking violently all over, the way Whitney had
been shaking. "Hey, what you got there? Is it--"
"It's the Big One," Trash said happily. "It's the A-bomb." He began to rock
back and forth on the seat of the electric cart like a convert at a revival
meeting. "The A-bomb, the Big One, the big fire, my life for you!" .
"Take it away, Trash," Lloyd whispered. "It's dangerous. It's . . . it's hot.
Take it away . . ."
"Make him get rid of it, Lloyd," the dark man who was now the pale man whined.
"Make him take it back where he got it. Make him--"
Trashcan's one operative eye grew puzzled. "Where is he?" he asked, and then
his voice rose to an agonized howl. "Where is he? He's gone! Where is he? What
did you do to him?
Lloyd made one last supreme effort. "Trash, you've got to get rid of that
thing. You--"
And suddenly Ralph shrieked: "Larry! Larry! The Hand of God!" Ralph's face was
transported in a terrible joy. His eyes shone. He was pointing into the sky.
Larry looked up. He saw the ball of electricity Flagg had flicked from the end
of his finger. It had grown to a tremendous size. It hung in the sky, jittering
toward Trashcan Man, giving off sparks like hair. Larry realized dimly that the
air was now so full of electricity that every hair on his own body was standing
on end.
And the thing in the sky did look like a hand.
"Noooo!" the dark man wailed.
Larry looked at him . . . but Flagg was no longer there. He had a bare
impression of something monstrous standing in front of where Flagg had been.
Something slumped and hunched and almost without shape-something with enormous
yellow eyes slit by dark cat's pupils.
Then it was gone.
Larry saw Flagg's clothes--the jacket, the jeans, the bootsstanding upright
with nothing in them. For a split second they held the shape of the body that
had been inside them. And then they collapsed.
The crackling blue fire in the air rushed at the yellow electric cart that
Trashcan Man had somehow driven back from the Nellis Range. He had lost hair and
thrown up blood and finally vomited out his own teeth as the radiation sickness
sank deeper and deeper into him, yet he had never faltered in his resolve to
bring it back to the dark man . . . you could say that he had never flagged in
his determination.
The blue ball of fire flung itself into the back of the cart, seeking what was
there, drawn to it.
"Oh shit we're all fucked!" Lloyd Henreid cried. He put his hands over his
head and fell to his knees.
Oh God, thank God, Larry thought. I will fear no evil, I will f
Silent white light filled the world.
And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.
Bumpty bumpty bumpty bump
Bumpty bumpty bump
I’m so sorry you wrote all of that✌️
Wow thanks I’ve not read the book this helped me know what happened to his face
Those who have not yet read the book, do it. Has ending never shown on T.V.
"Why is the air so spicy??" 😂😂😂
I have to agree. When I was reading the book, I was expecting some epic battle of good and evil to happen... Something along the lines of ''God descends, kills Flagg and then raises the good to Heaven and the bad to Hell.''
But then again, I guess that would make other plot elements pointless, like Fran's baby or the Free Zone meetings.
But while I was disappointed by the climax, I still feel this book was an amazing journey and is worthy of the praise it's given.
I have to confess, I woiuld differ. Despite 'The Stand' being one of King's great landmark novels, it didn't do much for me. Apocalypse, yeah, that's scary and tough...but Flagg's stupidity ruined it for me.
I was 16 when this came out. I was obsessed with Larry and hypnotized by the story. Became my favorite book of all time
I am staying at the Plaza Hotel tonight, On the 6th floor with a direct view of the street were this scene was shot.
It was a blast. R.I.P. Paul Wermuth.
I went to freemon Street and went in the lobby of this hotel with the food places. And thought this is where rangle flag was.
Was in Vegas 82-94. Read the newspaper of taping of The Stand at downtown. Closed off section in front of Plaza. Funny that people there wearing clothes during January warm days of 65 degree while northeast was freezing.
Loved this version
I like the guy at the end who stands up to flag and says no this isn't How We Do It in America this isn't us I'm sure God saved him to because he repented at the last moment. This is why we need from people right now
My opinion as well. I'm not all that impressed with the God of the Bible, but-- if there is a divine entity, some actual representative of Good, Whitney at the very last chance anybody there had, placed himself with that.
M o o n that spells good movie
M O O N.....that spells social-distancing..
Winner! LOL!
Nice one lol.
Now that's clever! Perfect! I love it ! 😉 💜 🍀 👻 🎶 🐾
Y r at least 44 people watching this during quarantine
Deliciously apt 👍
Nice to see that Deadpool made a cameo in this movie
Randall Flagg serves The Beast. Both have many forms and reflections in the multiverse of King's novels.
I think this one was better than the remake of it.. especially with the gold hand that came out and grabbed the bomb
The fact that Flagg put his trust in so many mentally unstable and plain old stupid people showed just how incompetent he was.
Trashcan man was literally an arson loving schizophrenic.
Nadine (according to the movie version) was a pill popping, nervous wreck.
The two men who were ordered to stop the Judge were trigger happy and ended up messing up the plan by shooting the judge in the face.
Most people in Flagg's camp were ansty and emotionally damaged, and Flagg cooked his own goose. I see him as the extra, extra, extra evil version of Loki, he causes chaos, throws hissy fits and has a need to be seen.
He literally let a man with a lust for blowing things up work around nuclear bombs...and lo and behold, not only did Trash, off impulse due to his schizophrenia, blow up the planes Flagg was using to nuke the Free Zone, but he also bought the most dangerous nuke to the middle of Las Vegas in attempt to win Flagg over from his mistake...which God used to destroy the city.
Just goes to show that evil aides to its own destruction.
He literally was outdone by God, who had used some of the most seemingly regular people: a drifting deaf-mute, a farmer, a singer, a widower, a mentally challenged man with the mind and pure heart of a three year old, a retired Judge, a retired professor, a dog, and most of all, a tiny little old lady, who at a 106 was still making her own bread.
Amazing how something so small can destroy something so big
It's not only that he put his trust in these idiots, but he didn't even accept the responsibility of actually fitting them into his grand scheme. He left that to Lloyd--by far his most competent minion. With Trashy, all Flagg did was spam his dreams with visions of burning everything, then left Lloyd with the thankless task of integrating him into Vegas.
Indeed, I would say the only reason Vegas worked as well as it did was due to Lloyd...and he started out as a two-bit hood with no impulse control.
@@ryanjackson3428 yup. And near the end, you could tell Lloyd began to regret working for Flagg, but remained loyal because Flagg didn't let him starve to death in prison.
@@PepperJade93 That FOX Show "The Following" had the same message. A serial killer creates a Cult full of other killers or unstable people he was able to pull together with his charm and charisma...and then they're unable to follow his plans right because of their instability and poor impulse control. The whole thing collapses because they're too crazy to stay together.
If you go with the interpretation of Randall as Nyarlathotep, then losing is inconsequential. The goal is creating chaos and toying with people via that chaos.