Tuning Kicks pt2: 10 Genres Break Down

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  • @cy9105
    @cy9105 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the most under appreciated aspect of your channel is that the music you create is objectively good.

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Aw thanks! 🙏

  • @Hello9291
    @Hello9291 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is before I’ve watched the video, but I’ve watch 2 videos and your ability to describe and explain concepts I’ve pondered for YEARS over, unable to find the right descriptions, and then explain it to me in a format so beautifully put together is phenomenal. Please keep doing your thing!

  • @ZeraxGaming
    @ZeraxGaming 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Summary and Guidelines for Kicks from the Videos:
    "Tuning Kicks: Why & When | Techno House Deep Dance Music"
    "Tuning Kicks pt2: 10 Tracks and Styles Break Down"
    "Kicks are a spectrum of "Divers" and "Droners"
    - Divers are punchy without pitch
    - Droners have a tail with pitch that can function as a bass
    "Do you have to pitch a Kick?"
    - this is preference and genre dependent
    "Why should you use a pitched kick?"
    - to stop the kick from interfering with bass
    or
    - to blend the kick with the bass
    "Is the Kick a Bass or a Drum?"
    depends on the genre, but ask: does the track have bass or not?
    - Kick = Bass? Yes, use a pitched Kick often on the home note
    - Kick is not a Bass? Depends on the aesthetic you are looking for;
    Combining a Diver with Bass is always a viable option
    "Is the bassline moving a lot?"
    - Yes, use a diver to not clash with the bassline
    Remember everything is preference and genre dependent. Those are some rules, time to break them!
    Much love!

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for putting that together 👊

    • @fireraid
      @fireraid 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great summary!

    • @glebglub
      @glebglub 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Bthelick only just found your channel and loving it so far, was just wondering if you see this comment: how do you actually go about blending the kick with the bass (without phasing or stealing energy from the low-mids and higher, etc.); what pitch should you use to stop it interfering (any note not used, a harmonic in the scale, etc.); what if you WANT to use a droner with a moving bassline (I think I know this one thanks to Dan Worral's delta channel video, but if you end up making a part 3, would be handy to have on hand, if not your own take on the problem). unless I've missed a part 3, to me it seems like this mini-series is missing a part 3- pt1 was that what, this is the why, but now I'm left wondering HOW (or Point, Evidence, Explaination, if your english teacher taught you to P.E.E. on your work like ours did :P)
      and of course merry almost christmas :)

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @glebglub well in general you shouldn't need to worry about phase of bass Vs kick because they should never play at the same time! Don't be afraid to completely eliminate the sub frequencies via side chain from the kick.
      In general I wouldn't advise a droner kick with a moving bass at all. Unless you deliberately compose the bass line to sound like it returns to the 1 (or other note) every time the kick hits.

    • @glebglub
      @glebglub 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Bthelick I was thinking of a way to try and say what I wanted without being snarky, but after watching another video (Fisher Take It Makes No Musical Sense and That's OK) I thought of the perfect snark instead: you're sounding like your high school teacher again ;P
      I appreciate the advice (or not advise) however I feel it could be a useful technique (especially w.r.t. the phase) if not just an exercice or concept to play around with nonetheless, especially as it would extend from just kick and bass to plucked bass and bowed bass/cello and tuba etc., or at least give the deaf people a niche novelty to "listen" to.
      either way I'll leave it at that, and hope I find the technique somewhere hidden in your videos, much akin to how Dan Worrall has hidden gems that completely blew my mind from a simple plugin review that to him seemed to be a passing thought. I may just be looking for something simple I can't word right, or learnt and forgot.
      all the best x

  • @jonzfilms
    @jonzfilms ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I keep saying this. Thank you. True mentor, teacher. Thank you so much. ❤

  • @StankoBeronja
    @StankoBeronja ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I write realy very seldom comments on youtube, but my sir your tutorials are just the very best one can find with regard to techno and especially minimal tech house… if you ever happen to be in frankfurt am main, germany please let me know to buy you a beer or two… I have also push 2, maschine mk3, maschine jam and any others keyboards and controllers, so you are always happily invited to jam session 😊

  • @ItsWesSmithYo
    @ItsWesSmithYo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This series permanently added to my required reading list 😂 I’ve spent some serious time examining these details in past work and current projects and this is leveling up the game…. Thanks B 😎🖤🍭

  • @Quogmeyer
    @Quogmeyer ปีที่แล้ว

    An aha moment for me, thank you! Oh and nice to watch a video that has well balanced voice to music ratio, so often videos have the music really loud and the voice over really quiet.

  • @marclowley5908
    @marclowley5908 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, hope you are well!
    I am new to the channel and fairly new to music production I am absolutely loving your no-nonsense approach to everything I have listened to so far! you have helped me massively, especially with this tuning issue of kicks! Makes perfect sense now! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!

  • @jarnix2
    @jarnix2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    12:00 "Stranger Kicks" 😊

  • @dima685ds6
    @dima685ds6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super professional. Thanks, so many useful things I have learned today!

  • @San7hos
    @San7hos ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did I think you'd be a classically trained musician. Studying here and there electronic music and music theory as a hobbyist, I haven't learnt so much in such a short time as watching your channel.

  • @cameroncorsino2979
    @cameroncorsino2979 ปีที่แล้ว

    insanely insightful, maybe a video on choosing top sounds? hats, rides, shakers, other percussion?

  • @jarnix2
    @jarnix2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting. I used to choose "short" kicks with "long" bass notes and vice versa (that is apart from tuning or not tuning them)

  • @westcut
    @westcut ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I’ve taken a lot away from this 2 parter.

  • @MrJmhess77
    @MrJmhess77 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn Bthelik, This is exactly what I was looking for in my next track idea. 😎🥵

  • @adv8nturenick
    @adv8nturenick 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very kind of you Nick thanks

    • @adv8nturenick
      @adv8nturenick 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bthelick first time I’ve ever subbed on TH-cam, is by no means enough for the knowledge you share and the way you deliver it. Watched a few of yours now since the algorithm decided to send it my way. You seem to be the first I’ve seen on YT who actually wants to share knowledge rather than just push plugins and other bits and pieces.

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@adv8nturenick aw thankyou. Wanna buy a course?? 😜🤣🤣 (Joke I don't have one to sell haha)

    • @adv8nturenick
      @adv8nturenick 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bthelick You should do some. 😊

  • @alherbert6620
    @alherbert6620 ปีที่แล้ว

    BOOM BOOM Thank ya man !!

  • @Feiervyn
    @Feiervyn หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the video!
    I have a few questions about general production.
    Did you design those kicks yourself, or did you use kick samples? Also, what do you do if you find a great kick sample, but it’s not in the key you want to produce in?
    What would you recommend for techno music: should we design our own kicks, or is using high-quality samples enough?
    How can we layer kicks effectively? Could you also make a video about leaving space for bass sounds and explain the philosophy behind that?
    I also have questions about layering sounds and filling ‘spaces’ in the spectrum. I think all sounds should work harmoniously in the spectrum analyzer. Since I don’t have much experience with mastering, I wonder what steps we can take to be more aware of what to expect in the mastering process. How can we avoid common issues during production to minimize having to revisit and fix everything later in mastering? I don’t want to overfill the mix and then have to go back and make major changes in the mastering stage.
    It feels similar to chess or other strategic games: knowing the endgame. If you have experience with how the final result should sound, it becomes easier to start the process and achieve a good result without needing to backtrack during mastering.

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have a watch of my "how to not master" videos pt 1 and 2 they explain much of what your asking about the back & forth.
      th-cam.com/video/q1Atuowt0Xo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1zrKnQTGWNqj4VHe
      th-cam.com/video/s2zQ8r1Tjao/w-d-xo.html
      All the kicks in this video are samples I rarely design my own.
      I certainly advise against layering any low frequency sound if you can avoid it, as you'll just introduce phase cancellation at the lowest frequencies,
      If you want to use a pitched techno kick but it's in the wrong key you can use the pitch envelope in your sampler so it starts with the same punch and lands in the new pitch. I wouldn't use a kick that is more than 2 or 3 semitones away though as pitching further than that will lose too much quality.

  • @x-tropic
    @x-tropic ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Great concept!

  • @herquionaidy
    @herquionaidy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you s2

  • @anderhuangmusic
    @anderhuangmusic ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Ander for the supporting comment! 👊🙏🤟

  • @jp_sizzle
    @jp_sizzle 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What are the downsides of using a droner kick and following the Changing notes of the bass by pitching the kick on midi.
    Why would that clash with bass frequencies while if the bass was only “on the one”, it wouldn’t clash.

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Depends what you want people to dance to!
      Genres like hard style have done this. But that method will replace the bass though , not follow it typically. Having a kick and bass follow will most likely result in them phase cancelling each other at different points.
      There can only be one bass instrument in a track, the waveforms are very long and vibrate slowly, so the changes of negative interference in the presence of another bass frequency at the same pitch is high as there is no guarantee of kicking phase unless it's exactly the same waveform.
      Tracks on the 1 get away with it because they let the kick handle the bass frequencies and the bass above it is filtered.
      Also Depending how far the notes move but moving it can leave holes in the weight of the track overall if it moves far enough, as there will no longer be a consistent bass frequency. And on any other playback systems than good studio monitors in a good room, you'll get loud and quiet pockets where the bass resonates or cancels in the room.
      Also you risk loss of quality of bass. As unless the kick is synthesized by a synth, you'll be pitching a sample, which loses quality the further it is pitched from it's source. Without time stretching pitching it higher will shorten it, with time stretching it will be a mess phase-wise, and have unstable bass frequencies.
      Genres like hard style , despite the aggression are actually very bass light, being extremely fast there isn't much time for the bass to develop anyway. So a kick that has moving pitch is fine for genres that don't rely on big bass.
      For every other dance genre, bad idea imo.

  • @traistatv
    @traistatv 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing, thank you!

  • @bronxaus1860
    @bronxaus1860 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey mate, absolutely love your channel! I've seen many many tuts on you tube, but yours are quickly becoming my favourite. Very professional and explain everything in clear, concise detail. So thank you for that!
    I was wondering if there is a video you have made, or if you are willing to make one, explaining how best to keep the energy of the bassline the same as the notes shift up and down in the melody. What i mean is that when i play a low note on my bassline, it obviously sounds more full, thicker etc. and then when the note a few semitones above is played, it sounds softer, thinner... i hope you understand. I would think there is more to it than simple compression that glues the bassline in as one and keeps the loudness/thickness/energy the same? When i hear my reference tracks, the basslines are usually as thick on one note as they are on the next. How do i keep the sub full/thick no matter what note is being played?
    Hope that makes sense! Would love some sort of feeback on this if possible :) Thank you so much for your time and effort on these videos regardless.

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  ปีที่แล้ว

      If you're playing a bass line on synth and not a sample, then the bass should not change in energy certainly not that much just by moving a few notes.
      A full thick bass can be achieved will a simple completey untreated sine wave that is all you need. (Alongside an appropriate kick of course too)
      If you hear it change then that indicates a problem somewhere.
      First check the bass solo'd and watch on some meter software (like Span) as you change notes. You should see that the level does not actually change between notes.
      If this is the case but you can still HEAR a change, then that points to a problem somewhere in the listening environment.
      Usually the room. Home setups often suffer from something called "room modes" (might wanna Google it) where the length, width, and height of your room will each happen to equal the same length of a waveform of certain bass note. And when you play a note that is the same it will resonate louder. Some notes may cancel too leaving those weaker.
      You can verify if this is the case by checking on headphones. Even if the headphones are not "studio" quality with a true flat response, you might hear DIFFERENT notes as strong or weak. if you get a different result on headphones then you can confirm your listening setup needs help.
      If the phenomena only occurs when the bass is NOT solo'd and ugly happens when inside the full track then you have a masking problem.
      Some other element (usually kick) will be tuned to the same note of a bass note change, and when the bass moves to that notes it might be either masking it or adding to it.
      If you DO measure a change on the meters,
      then that means the synth patch has a problem. Either an oscillator is out of tune, unison is turned on, or there is a chorus effect on, or it has eq or compression on.
      If your bass line is a sample and not a synth , and you measure it on meters and can see change, then either the sample player or the time stretch algorithm is messing with the phase of the lowest harmonic and causing cancellation.
      Never rely on compression for volume leveling of electronic parts, electronic sounds rarely have any actual dynamics to level. I don't compress bass parts at all.
      only live instruments that actually have severe dynamic range, like a vocal, or raw recording or live drums or acoustic guitar.
      If the reference tracks have truly steady bass and yours don't then you are either hearing a long kick drum and not true sub bass, or your bass has some kind of process on it that is messing with your balance, like compression or eq.
      You don't need ANYTHING to make an electronic sound even in energy, it already is! Take all effects off and see if it helps.
      Watch my "key affects bass" and "how I can process bass" and "top tech House bass sounds" videos also that should clear some stuff up. 👊

    • @bronxaus1860
      @bronxaus1860 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bthelick Absolutely amazing, thank you yet again for the awesome info! Very much appreciate your time and detailed response. I will certainly watch those videos to help me learn even more.
      THANK YOU!

  • @OrdoBeanMan
    @OrdoBeanMan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone else hear @ 3:35 Walker & Royce - I Don't Remember ?

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha just listened yeah. Mostly because it's the same key.
      Too hard kicks in the same key , it's a 1/12 chance after all, I'm sure there's plenty more!

    • @OrdoBeanMan
      @OrdoBeanMan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bthelick I'll mark it as a win for my pitch recognition! I heard those 2 kicks and that song started playing in my head, haha. Great tutorial (as usual) by the way!

    • @matthewdemetree6743
      @matthewdemetree6743 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hate to break it to you but I don’t remember uses a short diver. I know this cause they went over the project of this song in a stream with Justin jay

  • @kvvnc2502
    @kvvnc2502 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks man!

  • @polznbladz3242
    @polznbladz3242 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    James Wiltshire made a video a year or so ago saying always make sure your kick is out of the key you are working in. I think this video takes it one step further regarding the type of genre you are making and changing bass notes. I make trance and have been making sure my kick is always out of the scale I am working in. Every other producer I speak to thinks I am doing it incorrect.

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If it has a distinct tonal tail and you're running it out of key that could sound quite off-putting/confusing in a chorded genre like trance (2000s onwards) depending how severe the side chains are.
      But it depends entirely on the kick type and on how your kick pitch is measured.

  • @harisconstantinou487
    @harisconstantinou487 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should consider teaching music production if you are not doing it already

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha thanks, but THIS is me teaching music.
      If I was a full time teacher, I wouldn't be a professional at the thing I'm teaching! the fundamental paradox of the current education system.
      You ever wondered why so many school / collage syllabuses are so out of touch?
      I make music for a living, that's a rare gift, I won't be swapping that for teacher any time soon sorry!
      I'm not a fan of how most formal education systems go about teaching art anyway tbh. .

    • @amd5471
      @amd5471 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bthelick such a pity, but fully undestand your point and completely agree with you about the education system. I spent a lot of money on it and and came out the other end with more questions than before I started. The reason for that was all the misinformation and rubbish we were fed. It confused the s*it out of us. Thankfully I came across your channel which is beginning to re-educate me and answer some of those questions. Thank you very much.

  • @DjNicoForlanDe
    @DjNicoForlanDe ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so far. Your content is amazing. But:That Video is not as helpful as your content used to be. There is a lack of structure and even the examples of songs you chosen are not relevant for me as a dj. The Songs you pick are not state of the art. Please take artists whose sound we alle try to achieve someday. Thank you

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "used to be" ? This is an old video. Do you mean everything since is worse?? 🤣🤔😭
      The previous video sets up the science and principle which applies to any music you wish to create. In this follow up video these are just my tracks as examples of said principle practical application (many of which go on to form the plots for the djs I write for)
      But I have to do this for copyright reasons also.
      The science is fundamental, and applicable across all the genres. I struggle to imagine that the range of genres I show here apply to no working djs.