Phenomenal. This man may not have a popular opinion, but it's better to hear its nuance from an Indian who knows what he is talking about than the faceless west.
I am in agreement with Ashok Mody! I have been in the US for about 40 years & while I never was giddy about the growth story, I remained hopeful! However after 2016 I have become increasingly alarmed on the all the issues raised by Ashok! The recent Adani.issue,the attacks on judiciary,many guardrails of democracy r being eroded, the increasing “Hindutwa” agenda,the pressure on Press,obscene amounts of political campaigns,Electoral Bonds,PM Cares Fund etc over 60% remain a permanent underclass! Education,Public Health & so many issues raised by Ashok r very serious &. Thought provoking.
Sir/Mam, with all due respect it hardly matters if someone living in the US for 40 years is loosing hope. The dystopian thoughts of a few are best ignored, especially cause they couldn't be more wrong.
Ashoka Mody is a true socialist and more importantly a true humanist. Even though he is himself IIT educated but he gives it a thought that for him and his wife to get IIT education, how many in India didn't even get basic and primary education. We need people of such calibre and character to run this country if this country is ever to see anything that even remotely resembles a civilised country.
Ruchir Sharma once said that India disappoints both Optimists and Pessimists.. This pessimist like many other optimists will be disappointed inevitably.
The writer's description aptly summarises India was at 2014. Not India of 2023. I will rather go by the assessment of a retired Pakistani Air Vice Marshal on India than an ageing NRI. I hope that he donates the proceeds of the book to improving at least one point about India that he has stated.😊
Respectfully I disagree with you sir. Indian living in Australia. Ability to listen to your country’s critics irrespective of where they live demonstrates a “democracy’s” maturity and how receptive is it to improving it further. Not sure about you, I’ve visited many south east Asia countries and done much research on Chinas educational reforms. And unfortunately and sad to say, they are all miles ahead of India Just because somebody is critiquing India, it does not mean all is lost. In fact; use that criticism for the force of good. Numbers don’t lie, just look at the numbers.
@@9483Nick Agree with you on numbers, the reality and the development gap. My point is for a critique to stick to basics. Don't start playing politics. If you want to enter political arena, don't call yourself only an "academic". Make your intentions and position clear. Don't misuse your "academic" position to play politics. By "you", I mean the author.
Let us assume everything he says about India is true. Before 2014 there was no dominant hindutva, so why didn't great intellects like Mr. Mody here or Mr.Raghuram Rajan come up with strategies to industrialize India in 90s or 00's. All these people suddenly after retirement from world bank or IMF etc, become sooth sayers and their favorite whipping boys are always local corporates. I've had enough of these intellectuals. If you have great ideas then there are plenty of opposition held states in the country, please implement those ideas and show us that you can actually do something besides giving us endless sermons.
Perfect. After migrating out and not having the courage of conviction to fight it out in the place of one's birth. As the saying goes "put your money where your mouth is".
@@DipakBose-bq1vv We don't need no ejjucation. The British education system is the fundamental root of all misery as well as confusion and directionlessness in the Hindu society today. It was meant to create coolies and not original thinkers. But unfortunately, you won't understand.
A dismal view by a particularly ‘dismal’ scientist ( going by the classical description of economics as a dismal science) of a democratic, pluralistic, economically rising India! This economist’s Cassandra-like analysis of India’s development and democracy seems to turn more sanguine with the mention of leftist states like Kerala, where the focus on universal primary education only produced more marxists and jihadis than anywhere else in India, with the other ‘exception’ being Bengal where decades of Marxist mis/rule has been followed by a brand of state-sponsored thuggery and the pandering to, of minority vote-banks! In terms of democracy and political parties, India has more plurality than most other ( western) liberal democracies that only have 2 or 3 political parties. It’s strange to listen to an economist talk about China as a democracy where civic needs are seriously addressed! Corruption is widely viewed as the biggest problem there. Also, the recent example of the Chinese implementation of lockdowns during its Covid crisis was nothing short of draconian and certainly not participatory. But even a pessimistic analyst should look at the rapid growth in India, of a digital payments and banking infrastructure, as well as ever- expanding networks of highways, railway lines, airports and mass transit and feel hopeful that “India’s decade and century” as an objective seems more attainable. Also, the prescient decision to establish higher education institutions (in the sciences and engineering) in India has given the country an edge over many others, including developed countries ( such as Japan, Australia and south east Asia, etc) in space technology and missile development, as well as in the manufacture of pharmaceutical drugs. In fact, India’s pharmaceutical industry and vaccine production has been a boon to many developing countries that would have found the high cost of western-produced vaccines and drugs unaffordable. As is well known, even the U.S. imports a significant percentage of its generic drugs and vaccines from India, with other potential competitors like Vietnam and Bangladesh also trying to get a foot in the door. In the end, there are many others in the World Bank and IMF with a much more positive view of India. Thank goodness for the optimists! This guy probably forgot to take his depression medicine on the day of this recording.
Thank you for writing that👍 I think it was his endorsement of China's tender concerns for the wellbeing of its citizens (I assume Uighurs are also included) that moved me to tears. My only hope is that our government doesn't decide to do away with elections now that all 'eminent' economists and thinkers have assured us that regular elections and smooth transfer of power are immaterial for a true democracy. Sadly we Indians are totally addicted to our elections and take great pleasure in voting. In fact we even vote for 3 different political parties at the national, regional, and local level depending on whom we think is best suited to represent our interest at the various levels. But then that doesn't count as democracy. By the way, does speaker realise that government jobs represent the golden grail in the job market for most people and they keep appearing for these exams till the cut off age (40 in many cases)? The number of aspirants for government jobs does not mean that they remain unemployed till they get a government job. It is like the number of aspirants for IIT. Anyway, I do love the title 'Grand Tamasha'. This one certainly lived up to its name👍
This guy seems to have no idea about India. Corruption under congress people felt was bad but under Modi things have improved considerably. This professor has a very narrow biased point of view.
@@Ash-cb8qu Earlier under UPA corruption was in lakhs of crores under coal scam , Commonwealth games scam or telecom scam and later government went into complete freeze due to which in last 2 years no work happened. Nothing like that has happened now. Things are much more better now.
Ashoka has deliberately distorted the facts about Salwa Jhudum and democracy in Kerala. He is on the point about top heavy education system. I hope in his book he has compared India with G20 countries (and op 20 populace) on the economic, political & judicial set up, social infrastructure, and education system instead of generating rhetoric about India in isolation.
This is such idiocy. Mody is an IMF guy. Used to comparing countries using standardised measures. Can Indian unemplyment be compared with Framce? India and Asia have hige majorities of people that are self employed, for instance go look on the streets anywhere in Asua for that matter. Obviously he is not equipped to aee outside of IMF measures but India and say France cannot be compared on hundreds of measures for hundreds of reasons. So he put his numbera together and painted a picture. Is that reality? Come and see on the ground.
Phenomenal. This man may not have a popular opinion, but it's better to hear its nuance from an Indian who knows what he is talking about than the faceless west.
He belongs to a class of Indians who are eternal pessimists, especially when the politics is not as per their liking.
I am in agreement with Ashok Mody!
I have been in the US for about 40 years & while I never was giddy about the growth story, I remained hopeful!
However after 2016 I have become increasingly alarmed on the all the issues raised by Ashok!
The recent Adani.issue,the attacks on judiciary,many guardrails of democracy r being eroded, the increasing “Hindutwa” agenda,the pressure on Press,obscene amounts of political campaigns,Electoral Bonds,PM Cares Fund etc over 60% remain a permanent underclass!
Education,Public Health & so many issues raised by Ashok r very serious &. Thought provoking.
Sir/Mam, with all due respect it hardly matters if someone living in the US for 40 years is loosing hope.
The dystopian thoughts of a few are best ignored, especially cause they couldn't be more wrong.
Ashoka Mody is a true socialist and more importantly a true humanist. Even though he is himself IIT educated but he gives it a thought that for him and his wife to get IIT education, how many in India didn't even get basic and primary education. We need people of such calibre and character to run this country if this country is ever to see anything that even remotely resembles a civilised country.
Ruchir Sharma once said that India disappoints both Optimists and Pessimists.. This pessimist like many other optimists will be disappointed inevitably.
Agreed.
Yes, he is a mood kill. I was sleeping peacefully thinking Vishwaguru has everything under control
The writer's description aptly summarises India was at 2014. Not India of 2023.
I will rather go by the assessment of a retired Pakistani Air Vice Marshal on India than an ageing NRI.
I hope that he donates the proceeds of the book to improving at least one point about India that he has stated.😊
Respectfully I disagree with you sir. Indian living in Australia. Ability to listen to your country’s critics irrespective of where they live demonstrates a “democracy’s” maturity and how receptive is it to improving it further.
Not sure about you, I’ve visited many south east Asia countries and done much research on Chinas educational reforms. And unfortunately and sad to say, they are all miles ahead of India
Just because somebody is critiquing India, it does not mean all is lost. In fact; use that criticism for the force of good. Numbers don’t lie, just look at the numbers.
@@9483Nick Agree with you on numbers, the reality and the development gap. My point is for a critique to stick to basics. Don't start playing politics. If you want to enter political arena, don't call yourself only an "academic". Make your intentions and position clear. Don't misuse your "academic" position to play politics. By "you", I mean the author.
Looking to the standard of current American think tanks, it’s clear to see why American is in decline
Let us assume everything he says about India is true. Before 2014 there was no dominant hindutva, so why didn't great intellects like Mr. Mody here or Mr.Raghuram Rajan come up with strategies to industrialize India in 90s or 00's. All these people suddenly after retirement from world bank or IMF etc, become sooth sayers and their favorite whipping boys are always local corporates. I've had enough of these intellectuals. If you have great ideas then there are plenty of opposition held states in the country, please implement those ideas and show us that you can actually do something besides giving us endless sermons.
Perfect. After migrating out and not having the courage of conviction to fight it out in the place of one's birth. As the saying goes "put your money where your mouth is".
Fun Fact: One of the economist working under him was so unhappy with him that the guy tried to shoot him back in 2009, when "India wasn't Broken".
They're merely a bunch of intellectual sepoys. Their real masters are not the Indian public but the Western capitalist mafia.
But he is not suggesting anything except the standard one: we have to put the emphasis on education.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv
We don't need no ejjucation.
The British education system is the fundamental root of all misery as well as confusion and directionlessness in the Hindu society today. It was meant to create coolies and not original thinkers.
But unfortunately, you won't understand.
👍✌️👏
A dismal view by a particularly ‘dismal’ scientist ( going by the classical description of economics as a dismal science) of a democratic, pluralistic, economically rising India! This economist’s Cassandra-like analysis of India’s development and democracy seems to turn more sanguine with the mention of leftist states like Kerala, where the focus on universal primary education only produced more marxists and jihadis than anywhere else in India, with the other ‘exception’ being Bengal where decades of Marxist mis/rule has been followed by a brand of state-sponsored thuggery and the pandering to, of minority vote-banks!
In terms of democracy and political parties, India has more plurality than most other ( western) liberal democracies that only have 2 or 3 political parties. It’s strange to listen to an economist talk about China as a democracy where civic needs are seriously addressed! Corruption is widely viewed as the biggest problem there. Also, the recent example of the Chinese implementation of lockdowns during its Covid crisis was nothing short of draconian and certainly not participatory.
But even a pessimistic analyst should look at the rapid growth in India, of a digital payments and banking infrastructure, as well as ever- expanding networks of highways, railway lines, airports and mass transit and feel hopeful that “India’s decade and century” as an objective seems more attainable. Also, the prescient decision to establish higher education institutions (in the sciences and engineering) in India has given the country an edge over many others, including developed countries ( such as Japan, Australia and south east Asia, etc) in space technology and missile development, as well as in the manufacture of pharmaceutical drugs. In fact, India’s pharmaceutical industry and vaccine production has been a boon to many developing countries that would have found the high cost of western-produced vaccines and drugs unaffordable. As is well known, even the U.S. imports a significant percentage of its generic drugs and vaccines from India, with other potential competitors like Vietnam and Bangladesh also trying to get a foot in the door.
In the end, there are many others in the World Bank and IMF with a much more positive view of India. Thank goodness for the optimists! This guy probably forgot to take his depression medicine on the day of this recording.
Do not waste so much time and energy. His son will join the BJP and write a book that will disprove whatever his father has said in this book.
Thank you for writing that👍 I think it was his endorsement of China's tender concerns for the wellbeing of its citizens (I assume Uighurs are also included) that moved me to tears. My only hope is that our government doesn't decide to do away with elections now that all 'eminent' economists and thinkers have assured us that regular elections and smooth transfer of power are immaterial for a true democracy. Sadly we Indians are totally addicted to our elections and take great pleasure in voting. In fact we even vote for 3 different political parties at the national, regional, and local level depending on whom we think is best suited to represent our interest at the various levels. But then that doesn't count as democracy.
By the way, does speaker realise that government jobs represent the golden grail in the job market for most people and they keep appearing for these exams till the cut off age (40 in many cases)? The number of aspirants for government jobs does not mean that they remain unemployed till they get a government job. It is like the number of aspirants for IIT.
Anyway, I do love the title 'Grand Tamasha'. This one certainly lived up to its name👍
@@laxmirajesh3092 The last sentence aptly sums up this talk.
Jehadis were there in Kerala even in 1920 (Mopla killings and rape); education has not promoted that.
This guy seems to have no idea about India. Corruption under congress people felt was bad but under Modi things have improved considerably. This professor has a very narrow biased point of view.
@@Ash-cb8qu Earlier under UPA corruption was in lakhs of crores under coal scam , Commonwealth games scam or telecom scam and later government went into complete freeze due to which in last 2 years no work happened. Nothing like that has happened now. Things are much more better now.
Every industrializing country gets its rivers dirty. Remember Cuyahoga of 1969?
*PROBLEM is that incredible! superpower! india! IS DE-INDUSTRIALIZING while having BY FAR the world's MOST POLLUTED RIVERS........*
Ashoka has deliberately distorted the facts about Salwa Jhudum and democracy in Kerala. He is on the point about top heavy education system. I hope in his book he has compared India with G20 countries (and op 20 populace) on the economic, political & judicial set up, social infrastructure, and education system instead of generating rhetoric about India in isolation.
This is such idiocy.
Mody is an IMF guy. Used to comparing countries using standardised measures. Can Indian unemplyment be compared with Framce? India and Asia have hige majorities of people that are self employed, for instance go look on the streets anywhere in Asua for that matter. Obviously he is not equipped to aee outside of IMF measures but India and say France cannot be compared on hundreds of measures for hundreds of reasons. So he put his numbera together and painted a picture. Is that reality? Come and see on the ground.
chal chuddu!😂