Suffer the Little Children Podcast - Episode 65: Lucas Call
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2021
- In 2017, Lucas Call and his baby sister were removed from their biological mother’s custody, in part because she had a learning disability and was unjustly deemed an unfit mother. They were placed in the care of a woman who had previously fostered upwards of 40 children. She was also a trained nurse who worked with the county government’s child abuse investigation team. Sixteen months later, in August of 2018, that woman called 911, reporting 2-year-old Lucas was unresponsive.
After Lucas’s death was deemed a homicide caused by blunt force trauma, his foster mother, Lisa Jo Vanderlinden, was charged with his murder. After accepting a plea agreement, Lisa, who claimed to accept responsibility for Lucas’s death but never confessed to causing his injuries, received a sentence so shockingly inadequate that many have called for the judge’s removal from his position.
In this episode, I’ll tell you Lucas’s story, and you’ll also hear my interview with Lucas’s great-grandma, Peggy Thompson, who shared with me her anger over the injustice of Lucas’s case, as well as some of her fondest memories of this sweet little boy.
This is the infuriating story of Lucas Call.
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As a woman with a disability of my own (Cerebral Palsy), let me speak up for Shelby here. I have no children of my own at present, but I hope that when I feel ready, I can with the right support. I know of quite a few stories of pretty competent disabled moms. I see no reason why she shouldn't have been able to keep her kids if the right help were in place. Shelby, if you happen to come across this, I just want you to know that what happened to your Lucas was NOT your fault. You are right. What this woman did to him means she should never see the sun again. I feel so badly for you. and I am sending you so many hugs.
If they truely thought shelbys disabilities were impacting her ability to adequately parent they should have put services in place to visit the home and teach her what she needed to learn. From what her grandmother said she was thoughtful about what the baby needed, she sought to read up on when to let a baby cry a little and when to pick him up. She was trying and was doing a good job. With a little guidance she could have been just as good a parent or better than many. Instead they gave her babies to someone who provided no love, abused him and caused his death. The image of Shelby carrying the ashes everywhere she goes is absolutely heartbreaking. She’s had one child murdered, another taken permanently and been banned from having more babies, that’s barbaric. I’m so sorry for what they all went through. The murderer should have this little boys name tattooed on her forehead so she can never escape what she did
Lucas's story really broke my heart. I feel so badly for Shelly. She deserves much better!
Barbaric is exactly right !!!
I have a friend with downs syndrome, he's a fantastic dad. His daughter and any future children will do well, they have a big supportive family and network of friends. They also get a lot of support from serviced working with them. Sadly this rarely happens, they more often work against these parents which is both infuriating and heartbreaking.
This is disgusting… But not shocking, unfortunately… If you are a parent with a disability, finding out you’re going to be a parent, is it always the joyful happy experience it is for others… There’s always that nibbling thoughts in the back of your mind that at any moment a social worker could swoop in and take your kids at once. You have cross paths with child services, even if you do manage to get your kids back, there’s always that thought if they’re just a couple of minutes late off of the school bus or there’s an unexpected knock at the door that somebody’s coming to take them away, and it’s a fear you have to wrestle with until your children are 18 years old and safely out of the grass of child services. No, I’m not saying every single parent with a disability has this kind of a thing, but it’s a possibility and something that we all worry about… Sometimes intervention is required, but just because somebody is disabled in some fashion does not automatically mean they are going to be a danger to their children and if they need a little bit of support and help from social services to teach them or help them, maintain their home or, in helping raise their children, I think keeping the child with the parents with support is way better than ripping them away and sticking them into some kind of abusive foster home there are good foster homes out there but as we have seen from this podcast… There are also some truly atrocious ones out there as well and just because somebody needs a little help from social services raising their kids or whatever doesn’t make them bad people they just make some people they need a little bit of support, not a judgment from ignorant social workers
There ARE services like that, so it doesn't make sense that they took the kids away. The only thing I can think of is that everyone knew this woman, and knew she wanted a baby girl or something. I've never seen such corruption in my life. How is everyone overlooking this?
When they called her a "paranoid mother" for pointing out injuries on her son... Wow. Isn't it a parent's job to be "paranoid"? They stand in the gap between their child and the world.
Amen! I thought the same thing
Also, that’s not paranoia, it takes only basic experience in life and parenthood to know what causes them! She wouldn’t point them out if it were normal stuff!
It broke my heart to hear Shelby talk about what happened to her son. You can tell she loved him very much. It's not her fault that she has learning disabilities and I think with the right resources her children could have remained in her care. So sad. Lisa, if you are reading this: you're 🗑 🚮. I hope one day that you get what you deserve 😡. Justice for Lucas 💙
Kassandra, sorry I`m learning disabled and have ASD. I would never stand by a man that was looking at child porn, who knows if he was molesting his own kids and she stood by him!!!
Shelby has been denied equal justice under the law. She has been treated like her learning disability was a choice. Sickening
Thank you for the shout out. It was appropriate,, since Lucas was a foster child. For a judge to give that foster mother so little jail time, was sickening. Shelby sounded like a wonderful mother. I’ve adopted all 4 of my kids from the foster care system. One of my adult daughters, who has a low IQ, would make a far better mother than that awful foster mother. I’m really happy that the province of Alberta really is striving to bring help and guidance into birth homes instead of simply removing children. Sometimes parents just need to learn about available resources. Sometimes the kids have to be removed. Listening to the grandmother was heartbreaking. RIP little Lucas! ❤️
I pray for you and your babies that you selflessly took in and love. God bless
Cannot find any words to describe how utterly heartbreaking this is. Shelby carrying Lucas’ ashes and pushing them in a stroller will be something I will never forget. I hope something can and will be done to get them all justice and that evil pos gets sent to gen population for the rest of her waste of life
i'm physically disabled so not the same, but i understand what she needed: just some help. even if she wasn't disabled, just an extra pair of hands. a nurse. a social worker. just someone to come and ease her pressure. everyone's treated this poor mommy like shit when they're the ones responsible. they're the ones who killed him. it breaks my heart knowing she probably blames herself.
also Lisa saying "she lost everything" pissed me off. really. YOU. not the little boys life you ended with suffering? not the mother who will probably never recover? not the great grandmother we heard who cries multiple times a day? not his sister? absolutely selfish nothing in her mind other than her own wants and needs. i hope every bad thing that can happen to a person happens to her
My liver was cut in half after being in a car accident. Going 85mph and hit a tree. It takes a lot of impact to do that kind of damage. I know people that have been charged with drug possession that did more time than this child murderer. It’s insane!!!!
OMG, Lori, I'm glad you're doing better! That's so scary!
Yout podcast surpasses very many that I listen to in all aspects. The style and quality is amazing. Your phone conversation was genuine and the best conversation I ever listened to as far as interaction and clarity. Thank u for your work
Thank you so much -- that's an incredibly nice thing to say!
why couldnt they monitor her care with the kids instead of taking them away. This case is so sad, it shouldnt be this way for this family. Why cant she have any more children. how can they put that restriction on her when she didnt do anything, the foster mom is the criminal, not birth mom.
I couldn't agree more!
First of all im always grateful you are well and still here.second thank you from the bottom of my heart for the babies stories you bring to us.your voice literally resonates throughout the world and thats being totally honest.please know you make these babies come alive again through your tears and emotion and perseverance.we as your fans can imagine how hard it is and hope our comments help the heartache a little as you go through each story.THANK YOU for all the uploads.sincerely,we are grateful.and lastly,snark away,the monsters deserve it!!
You are the best. Thank you so much!!
It doesn't seem right that DCS deemed her unfit for talking to Thier father jailed for CP but in another story a father caught with CP was actually given full custody of the kids.....it's like DCS judgements are just rolling dice, even after they see signs of abuse.
Why didn't they provide her counseling services/parenting classes? Could they have barred him from contact as part of his conviction?
First of all I want to thank you again for all of your endless hard work to share the stories of these precious children.
While all of these stories are absolutely heart wrenching and infuriating this one has me fuming and while I truly believe that God will deal with these evil people I can’t help but feel that if I had half a chance I would tear that woman to shreds and her father too for what he said to the child’s mother. What an evil scumbag!!!!! Hopefully given time and at no other child’s expense, his daughter will ruin her own life. God and love ALWAYS win in the end. Prayers for all who lost this precious baby boy and who are being kept from their daughter/granddaughter as well. 💔🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
MODERN DAY GEORGIA TAN!!
They should do an investigation into ALL INVOLVED and whoever was paid off for all of this.
Use that old Georgia Tan case in court
This episode made me cry so much all the way through. Most of them do. But this one was bad for me. Especially when I heard his injuries and why the babies were taken from their mother and hearing the great grandma and Shelby. It just broke my heart.
Makes me sick to think a baby can suffer so much and the murderer gets away with it. My heart goes out to his real mommy and family. Lisa cant lie to God.
I cannot stop thinking about little Lucas and his poor Mother. And grandmother. What kind of country turns a blind eye to baby murder? This one has really rocked me. 😭 As a grieving Momma...and also one who had to fight continuously with DCFS. And one who risked arrest on multiple occasions when I was told my Bubby "wasn't feeling up to a visit" (because I knew the horror stories even before blogs) and showing up anyway demanding to see for myself my baby was ok... as all of those things... my heart is shattered for this family.
Momma... in case you read this: I carry my baby with me everywhere, too.
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This story made me feel like I was going insane.
Shelby ❤️
I totally agree with the grandmother.💔 God bless that family.🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️RIP Sweet baby Lucas.🕊
I gasped out loud when, on top of everything else , I heard that Shelby was legally barred from having more children.
Sickening. Heartbreaking and Infuriating 😢
How can u legally bar someone from having kids? That's the most disgusting overreach of government I've ever heard. Barbaric, cruel and sick.
Yeah I’m sitting here driving up the street and I almost swerved. What in the nazi-level-eugenics is that shit?
I haven't cried in a few episodes....this one was hard....how can someone tell her she can't have any more children, not that it would make the pain go away but it could help....God bless this family!!!!!
The one that is the mom, that’s not her fault, she has a disability and they shouldn’t of took her kids in the first place.
I have known several foster parents who shop for n kids and only want one from a group. It pisses me off to no end. And they will keep the others only until the adoption of the one is in the bag. They will fight bio family ( aunts, uncles, grand parents) who want them all just for that one child they feel is worthy. All children are worthy and siblings should be together.
So she got probation after 9 months in jail for not bringing the baby to the doctor. What about the part where she beat him to death?🤬 She only talks about being sorry about not taking him to the doctor sooner!
Reminds me of The Jennifer Rosenbaum case . If you’re not familiar, google her name , and hang on tight.😥
Been waiting patiently for the latest episode
This is mind boggling and the furthest thing from justice you could get! Im always blown away at the ineptitude of Social Care in the US. Here in the U.K we work WITH the family if a parent has LD and support them in their parenting, even if a parent is in child protection level 4. However, the one thing that would be a huge risk factor was that Shelby remained in contact with or was supportive of her husband following his conviction for CP. That would not be acceptable on any level. She would have been worked with by social care as to why this is unacceptable and her low IQ in understanding the risks involved would have been taken into account.
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 how tf are these monsters allowed to be foster parents.
Such a tragic story. So often it’s not who you are but who you know and this applies so much to. the evil foster ‘mum.” RIP Lucas
I've NEVER EVER heard of someone legally being forbid from having children! There have been so many cases where that would've seemed appropriate, like when a mom or dad violently butchered their children... but THIS CASE?? WTF!!!
I have a strong feeling it wasn't strictly "legal" for them to tell Shelby not to have children. I think they took advantage of her disability and intimidated her, and I have no doubt that if she did have more kids, they would find a way to take them away, too. It's heartbreaking; she really is a sweet, loving person!
@@SuffertheLittleChildrenPodcast In sexual violence cases I've often thought, why not bring back chemical castration? I understand it's very physically traumatic, but in let's say, child r@pe cases, if anyone deserves it..
And yet such outdated unthinkable punishments are given to a woman born with a low IQ?! I am having so much trouble wrapping my head around it all
I believe this is one of the most infuriating story I learned about (the two others being the stories of Thomas Valva and James Biel), and I know about a lot of child abuse death stories. Where is the jusice for Lucas in all of this? Or even the closure for his family? It seems everything has been made to accommodate Lisa Venderlinden, who actually killed an innocent 2 year old child! I feel for Shelby, who did everything she could to protect her son, but was not only dismissed but also punished after Lucas' death and C.C's adoption with CPS forbidding her from having more children. While the actual murderer of her son walks free and can have more children if she wishes to. This is completely messed up. I can certainly see the ressemblance with the story of baby Alissa.
Another Failure by Children's Services🤬They took him from a home where the mother had a disability but was loving and not abusive,into an abusive home where his life was taken🤬RIP Lucas,now Safe in God's Arms 🙏💙 Condolences to his mother and family🙏
I hate "liking" these videos. 😥
I think out of all the children she had fostered she just took a dislike to poor Lucas it makes me so mad he was left stay with her the evil .....
I hope someone higher up in the judicial system hears this & can do something to help these poor people they didn't deserve this. It sounds like Shelby was a much better mom (even with her disabilities) . Most definitely better then the people that they were given to. I hope Lisa gets what's coming to her. At least she will get hers in the afterlife. GOD knows what she has done. I hope she lives in constant fear that she might get figured out. I know personally about child services I was in the system as a child & I am 61 years old. I still remember some of the stuff that happened & still have some issues. I wasn't ever physically abused but there was a lot of mental abuse.
My heart breaks for your family.
One of the most heart breaking stories I've heard may God always be with this family. 🙏 And may God punish those evolved on the so called care of the children we re all born into this world we won't all go to heaven certainly not these people evolved. Cps aren't worthy same as ss in the UK a shambles, may they one day be reunited. The trauma will live with them forever. So very sad. 😭😕
I don't understand why they took these children from their mother. She sounds like she was doing a good job raising them. So sad
The justification for taking away Shelby’s children feels an awful lot like eugenics type logic
I can't believe it. Move out of Utah and they are sick there
I had the exact same thought.
Is there a way we can get justice for Shelby? Pretty sure that everything they did to her was illegal. Having a disability is not a crime, it is not a reason to lose your child. I'd be happy to start a go fund me to help her get justice.
The services created to handle these situations literally talk from both side of their mouths!
How can they all for push reunification for children with drug addicted, past abuse, neglectful parents however someone has a lower IQ yet in all ways a great and caring mother and they remove them and tell her she cannot have more. In what world is this ok!
What right does DCS have to tell any female they are forbidden to have children? That sounds like a throwback to forced sterilization to me. Where are all these women's rights and me-too movement people to fight this?😡
This is actually disgusting! I cannot believe over 70 letters of support for a child @buser, a child murd3r3r! It seems like they purposely kept him from a loving mom and turned a blind eye to clear injuries on a child. This was preventable. I hate corruption in these cases.
blessings to all involved.so damn unnecessary and could have been prevented.just because you have a learning disability or other,does not mean you cant be a great mother.thats cruel prejudice.and bs on telling mom she cant have more children! i was shocked to the core when i heard they say Shelby is unfit,so so wrong.
I'm sorry, but if the mother was deemed not capable of taking care of her children on her own, then why in the Hell wouldn't they provide an advocate to check in on her a couple days of week to ensure that the children were striving? I know for a fact that DCS can do this because I had a friend that they done that for! My heart goes out to the mother, she didn't deserve this!
I love to hear you get fired up about these cases. I can't with this woman and I refuse to call her by her name! She reminds me of an, "angel of mercy" nurse mixed with someone who has munchausen syndrome by proxy, (now known as factitious disorder imposed on another). I wonder how many times she had to tell the families of her patients, "I'm sorry that I just didn't or couldn't do more..."? Most first time parents, with no medical background, know to take a toddler to urgent care or the emergency room when the child becomes so ill that they are repeatedly vomiting, cannot keep down solids and are covered in bruises, unless, of course, they are the cause of the child's issues and injuries. However, it would have been far better for this woman to either return Lucas and CC to foster care to be placed in another home or take a badly injured Lucas to the hospital than to ever allow him to die from his injuries. I will never understand how the minds of people like this work. How do people wake up everyday planning out how they're going to abuse a child. This woman was conscious of what days not to abuse Lucas so he wouldn't have marks on visitation days once Shelby noticed them. I have the capacity to understand how an overwrought parent could accidentally go overboard resulting in an injury, meaning one, and only one, and learn their lesson. I understand that a new baby can tire a parent out like nothing in the world and a toddler can absolutely test your patience, but these reactions are irrational. If you have an infant that will not stop crying, as long as you've changed them, fed them, burped them, given them some quality attention and made sure they are not in any way suffering from anything, put in some earbuds, listen to something relaxing and place the baby in another room behind a closed door for a little while. Many times it's simply overstimulation and shaking or hurting a baby is most definitely not going to make them stop crying. If you find that they continue to have these spells at the same time daily, it may just be part of who they are and it couldn't hurt to address it with their pediatrician. When it comes to toddlers, remember who you're dealing with. You're not matching wits with another adult. Keep your sense of humor about you and get the kids outside or someplace where they can burn off their excess energy and tire themselves out for a long afternoon nap. If you can't make it through those two phases of parenting God love ya when they become preteens and teenagers 🙄 They will actively and intentionally attempt to drive you insane and drive you and your spouse apart because they'd rather stand up against one of you than both of you 😂🤣😂 Really though, this lady is one sick POS! The judge delivered no justice. He should have recused himself from this case due to conflict interest. There should also be a more streamlined process for impeaching judges or removing them from the bench for dereliction of duty. A year for murdering a 2 year old? What is this world coming to?
What a mess up system
This case has me seething. Everyone of the DCFS workers that turned a blind eye to Shelbys reports that Lucas was being abused by Linda should have been arrested by the police. They are just as much to blame as Linda herself. Lucas's death was preventable on sooooooo many levels yet not one person stepped up. Not one. In fact, they were going to punish the bio mother if she continued to report any more signs of abuse!!! Um, SAY WHAT!!! I just cannot.
How Shelby and David lost their lawsuit is beyond me. All of the facts are there. Anyone with a brain can see that Vanderlinden killed Lucas. And yet she was able to go on being a mother to all those kids she collected like trophies. (I haven't finished this podcast yet. It's made me so mad that I had to take a break. So I don't know if you say or not but does Vanderlinden get to keep Shelbys other child, the little girl, CC?
It's just so heartbreaking to think that this is just one instance. This shit happens on a daily basis. People in power positions getting off scot free because of their "connections".
I like to believe that there are more good hearted people on this Earth than there are bad, but, when I hear of stories such as this it's so very hard to keep that mindset.
So sorry for your injustice Lucas Call. May your life and your story pave the way for change....some day..
I also wanted to say thank you, Laine. You are an incredible reporter and a fantastic storyteller. You're an unsung hero in my eyes. Everyone of your podcasts that I have listened to has left a profound and lasting mark on my heart. I first came across STLC last winter with the case of Avery Lee.
I'm a recovering heroin addict. I'm 39 years old and I have 30 months clean as of November 1st. I have a 6 year old little girl and I've had my fair share of experience with DCFS. Thankfully my story has a happy ending. I dealt with DCFS for 3 and a half years all together. My mom was able to foster Molly (my daughter) while I went through treatment and sober living and did what I had to do to turn my life around and I'm so grateful for her. Without her I very well could have lost my daughter to the system because you just never know. DCFS claims to be all about protecting children but in reality they mostly pander to the parents.
Listening to your podcasts is a grave reminder to be grateful for all the blessings I have and to always hug my daughter a little bit tighter. ❤
I am sick for this mom. 😢 This unbelievable😢
I had the same thought
This is truly disgusting. If they thought Shelby couldn't provide adequate care (despite her best efforts because of a disability no fault of her own) they could have given her assistance & resources to help. Instead they took her children away for not even a good reason imo. They ignored previous allegations of child abuse & didn't even try to substantiat those claims. They did poor Shelby so wrong in many ways but also when she's reporting as well that her son was not being given proper care & was covered in bruises just generally looking unwell & in complete fear of the foster parent they have the audacity to threaten her to stop reporting it or risk not even getting to visit with her own children?? One year? County jail. The connections this Lisa must have to pull off this slap on the wrist after beating a defenseless baby TO DEATH. 70 letters to the judge?! This is outrageous & I can't believe I've never heard of this case sooner.
So sad mother get treated like crap. And the woman whom murdered a child walks.
RIP Lucas. So sad how many people failed this little guy 🕊️ I hope the monster who did this (Lisa) is ate up about this every day and can't sleep at night over what she did
I think this David should be under the jail for taking advantage of an intellectually disabled person. If her mental age is early teen or be!ow , he is beyond reprehensible.
Sooo sad😔
1 year 1 year for killing a baby!?!? You have got to be kidding me
It's unbelievable!
Is there a petition? If so where can i find it?
I read the thing on Facebook the album on Lucas feel bad that both him and his sister were taken from the parents the mother and father look like a loving couple just because she has a disability doesn’t mean she’s in unfit mother that’s just atrocious and egregious and for that foster monster did to poor Lucas she deserves to rot in hell
It makes me mad that dcf took her child just because she has a disability, instead of taking her kids why couldn’t they just help her. If they were worried then why couldn’t they help her abs give her classes or help her with other things. They just went to take kids and some people say they wouldn’t just take kids just to take kids, yeah will if have a disability they would or try too.
The wrong person was punished
I am so disgusted I can’t even see straight ..This ignorant piece of crap will do this again…What an injustice…
How can anyone tell anyone they can't have more kids?!?! I'm sure there are momsters out there having babies. Is that even legal?
The system is a massive failure.
I can not believe this sentence, what a joke, sorrie Lucas and poor Shelby so many people failed you in this situation
This is horrible 😩😡😡😢😢😢
I mean wth!!! She may have gotten off easy on earth but she will have to answer to God one day. It makes me sick that she murdered that baby and just walked away from it. It's sad that he had a mother who loved and wanted him and he was forced to live with a monster who hated him. I pray that they didn't give that little girl back to the murderer!! 🙏😭
Shall we look at the criminal statistics relating to intelligence and child harm, please? I can only recall a handful of cases where clinically low IQ was to blame for a child's neglect, injury, or death. Clearly, intelligence didn't make a difference in this case. It never made sense why they took the children until I heard the Grandmother say it was a vindictive start. Disgusting.
Children’s lives seems to be cheap to Mormons.
6:13 im not sorry but if she was continuing to support and stand by him, especially after those charges... she rightfully lost her kids. Regardless of if he was physically there or not. That says more about her abilities and mindset as a mother then the love and necessities she provided. 🤷♀️
Though none of that negates the fact that she had a right to be paranoid and skeptical of the foster mom
This is making me mad, who does that really why.
Not sure if I commented this already but just so you know county jail is 1 million times worse than prison I don't care what county it is or what state it is it is horrible! Horrible! I've been to our county jail for traffic issues just traffic issues and this has been over the past 6 years and it has deteriorated so much just in the three or four visits I've had to spend there the longest I've been there was 72 hours and it was deplorable. I want helping of green beans the whole 72 hours because I didn't want to have to take a shit in front of people it's nothing like prison. Mind you I've never been to prison but I know people who have and they said prison is a day spa compared to county jails around the country so take what little comfort is available in knowing that she spends a year in county jail assuming she did her jail time and it was most likely a experience that would make her suicidal
Ugh, I wish she had to spend more time there than the paltry 9 months she served!
Had she been in main stream jail yes but she was protected she wasn’t in jail she was basiclly in witness protection type for a murderer
You would call CPS on Shelby as opposed to helping her? Ugh. I would have helped her. Smh.
You said her kids were taken partly bc she had a learning disability and the next sentence you said her kids were unjustly taken away. Ok. What were the other reasons those kids were taken away. Partly means there were other reasons.
Sadly she has most likely done this before and will again
What !! This is barbaric!! If some worthless piece of scum killed by baby brother i would not wanted her to adopt me or even be able to look at me! Plus those kids were meant and were a gift from God to their mother! No justice! For this baby! People come on ....dont let this be the outcome!
New that’s why they took them, dcf shouldn’t take child from moms abs dads just because someone has a disability. This needs to stop, dcf needs to help moms and dads that need extra help.
This is one of the most unjustified cases you've covered aside from James Biel. People murder adults and get life sentences. It's almost like saying these kids lives didn't matter and its disgusting, how this justice system works sometimes. 2 years old this poor baby was and he went through horror, terror and torture. In almost all these cases CPS or social services sentence these kids to their deaths. An organization who are supposed to save these kids lives. I genuinely blame this bullshit of a system there is. I still can't wrap my head around how these people really do these things to these little kids and babies. They should have given his mother resources and help. Provided her with some kind of support. Im so mad at that sentence.
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Take your child away for not being abused one single bit and given back to you cremated..all because she had a county job within the system...well that's Dfacs for you..and it's oops..I well we messed up sorry ...but if the real parent hurts or kills their own child .they get the highest punishment..but Dfacs ..slap on the wrist and it happens over and over again.So sad for the innocent children in both situations..
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The Law's are Absolutely Pathetic,they seem to protect the perpetrators and not the victim🤬A child murderer can see children,but the biological father was denied...Sickening🤮She deserved Death Penalty for beating a child to death...All the people that supported,this child killer are revolting
Why couldn’t mother’s family get the children?
Peggy and Angel were not given the opportunity because they weren't considered "family," as they weren't biologically related to Shelby. It's a travesty, as far as I'm concerned. Peggy loves that girl more than anyone who shares blood with her!
First to listen?
Another nurse?... it’s crazy.... would you ever do a case about Myka Stauffer..she’s a TH-camr who adopted a little boy from China.... had him a few years then in her words “rehomed” him... he was treated so bad by her
That woman boils my blood! When that story broke, I posted all over my socials about boycotting her BS TH-cam channels. I hope that little guy is thriving in his forever home!
@@SuffertheLittleChildrenPodcast me too.. poor baby boy... it should be criminal what she did to him...
Change your channel name! You should have 100k suns by now u got❤. Support not suffer!!
The title is a biblical reference. In this case Suffer means 'allow'. It's part of a biblical verse that says : "Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God."
It's hard for some people to "like" and unfortunately, coming to Jesus is even harder for others. You work very hard here and you really care about what you're doing, to put it mildly. I'd just like to see you get the subscribers you deserve. I get tired of seeing ridiculous meaningless and most of all false content get all the attention.
I’m sorry that just wouldn’t had happened if she was black
Nurse Foster-Mom: I’m only willing to adopt the neurotypical child... I don’t give a frick what happens to her brother-
Imagine if she is a paediatric nurse... god forbid they let her in the vicinity of disabled infants/young kids, watch the mortality rate sky-rocket (and we’ll know the culprit 😉)
Your shows are interesting but I can never get through a whole episode. Your Starkey comments turn me off too much. The stories are dad enough on their own.
I appreciate the "starkey" comments. Everyone who tells this story deserves the chance to vent about how it makes them feel.
@@nickit8871 I agree. Laine puts so much time into researching these cases, even talking to the family members. It's only natural for her to get emotionally invested. Sometimes, you have to use dark humour or sarcasm to keep from breaking down.
I appreciate Laine bringing these cases to light because the public needs to know about these babies in order to rally for change.
@@nickit8871 i agree
I also like the "starkey" comments...how could you NOT make a few... the injustice is maddening.
Is that bad enough? So a few snarky comments and you no longer care about these kids. Snowflake!
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