I will do the inverse operation: I will use a single rotor, in the middle, with a fully extended piston. As the piston retracts, the rotor will spin. The arms will do the retracting/extending as you'd expect.
imagine finding a way to use the new ai along with scripts to make a full self sufficient AI faction they could print their own miners, fighters, etc that would be genuinely terrifying
@@termiusprime you do, but you have to buy your own private server and add the mods in server side. its an inconvenient workaround but it still exists :D
They also could not initiate FTL jumps. I think they could mine on their own but they'd have to be set up that way from the start, and could not expand. But with scripts... well, that opens up other possibilities. Even without scripts, you could have event controllers that detect the absence of a grid upon a proscribed circumstance. Which makes them build a replacement. So AI ships that have recorders to dock and undock and patrol on a schedule, but if they don't come back on schedule, new ones are built. Or interceptors are dispatched.
AI factions have only one problem and that is the sync distance. Servers usually don't synchronize and run code when no players are around, making the space without players frozen. What we did on our servers is for example carrier type NPC's or hangar stations, which when spawned produce their own support craft. So players can't just deal with one and then wait for cleanup. They have to actively deal with the threat.
Thank you SO, SOOO much! This is amazing it's complicated but... so much more simple than I imagined. Though I never would have figured this out of it wasn't for your help. You're an absolute legend and genius. Seriously, thank you.
This works great on survival. Pay close attention to each step or you might spend extra time troubleshooting (like me). I really like this as you can change the merge block on top of the projector to a light armor block, use that to connect to the projector build, and then build your blueprint in more than one go with more materials. You can also use MMaster's AutoLCD mod to output the projector's remaining tiles to a screen to easily monitor your progress.
I felt that if the performance of the computer is not good, there are some parts that are not made because of the program block when making the middle part. If the performance of the computer is not good, I recommend removing the merge block part from the timer block at first, turning it off and on from the control sheet, and turning the printer twice.
I love the design. I seem to be having issues with the printer arms not moving around the subgrid when printing so the welders get caught. I have set up the sensors as you did, and even though they sense the subgrid, they do not move the pistons. I'm going to try a few other ship designs in case, but thought I'd see if you had any ideas.
I cant figure out why my bottom rotor arm just shoots out on its own while the top functions properly and welds. I saw your bottom rotor arm also do the same at 9:43 but it seemed to fix itself whereas mine didnt.
Do you have an idea for a bigger printer? I mean medium/large ships + if I want to extend the printer by one piston up, one to the side (on both sides) and give the piston to doo welders - so that they can go down when I increase the printer, how to do it with assigning an action? (I would like to print a larger ship
@@Pro100tv9 But how does it manage to do the inner parts of big ships? It can sometimes weld a part in the middle partlially and then continue with the rest and then not be able to finish the inner part because the parts around it were also partially made?
Anyway to help me with this? It appears to work great but for some reason it doesn't weld everything in one go I have to run the program 4 times in order to do one print.
@@Pro100tv9 Slowing down both rotors and arms seemed to have it print less this time? I'm not sure I've got all the exact settings as you have on yours?
@@Pro100tv9 oh god, i didnt even know that was a thing, i couldnt find it in any of the settings, i always went to a singleplayer creative world, adjusted the speed with a script, and then took a blueprint of that just to print it in a vanilla server im playing on.....
i built the plan step by step and when i go to trigger now for the start/stop timer it triggers the final timer, and turning it off from there messes with the other blocks, making arms go in and out
So it works as intended but it keeps detaching my ship before it is fully built and when i take away access to the merge block it will only weld to where it would have disconnected anyways. What do i need to change different blueprints
Hey @joshuabaker6971, there's an event controller that checks piston position. By default it is set to 55%. At this threshold it will end printing cycle. If the ship you are trying to print is bigger, lower the threshold - for instance to 30 or even 10%, depending on the grid size, it should help
It should work for most small grids. Sometimes, when a ship that you try to print is bigger, you will need to adjust the event controller slider or turn off the event controller completely
Hey, are sensors "ON" when you start the printing cycle? If not, try switching them OFF while the printer is idle, and then start printing and let the printer go for a full cycle
Built it, but obviously cant follow instructions, rotors dont turn, and the welder piston only sometimes move, i will delete all controls, and watch the clip again...😊
Hi Mateusz, I wouldn't recommend printing large grids with this printer, however if you really want to you can replace the small projector with a large projector and you should be able to do it then.
@@Pro100tv9 Hi I was able to add 2 instead of 1 piston on sides and add 6 pistons for projections and 7 pistons on arms and all work perfectly fine I also grouped the pistons and named them like your piston and applied same logic to it and it work fine I'm printing huge ship atm and all works fine I also applied to share tensor on pistons to make it more reliable
It doesn't need a merge block, but you will need to grind down the connecting block between blueprint and printer once the printing is complete. I think the event controller setting may need to be adjusted to the size of your blueprint
I don't get where's the problem. Look i've set everything fine, all seems works fine but the projection won't "become" a real block once the welders gets closer, to this reason all cannot work because sensors won't relevate anything phisical crafted = in summary = its all locked on the whole structure rotating end extending property, the projection still a ghost, and nothing change :/ Any suggestion/help?
@@Pro100tv9 Nothing. The welders still not create anything. I even tried to hand-weld the projection (in admin-creative. Survival savegame) but the projection didn't react at all. Im still wondering how works te projector. First time i use it x)
It seems like the issue is related to the projection that is not attached to the projecting grid. Perhaps the blueprint you are trying to print has its merge block switched off? If that's not the case, could you make a blueprint of your printer, upload it to workshop and post a link to it over here? I could troubleshoot it this way
@@Pro100tv9 It works as intended I just don't know what to change for different blueprints so it keeps ending up running through its function before the ship is complete
I really wish there was something to do in survival Like in minecraft you can get maxed out equipment and kill the enderdragon In no mans sky you can go to the center of the universe But with space engineers You get to space get cobalt win? Thats it no more progression Only bigger ships to do things Pvp slightly ammends this but resources aren't scarse and well space engineers is really big
I followed your instructions to the tee (video was great). However, it looks like it is working but nothing gets built. I took a video so you can see what it is doing. I usually use a metal sheet block to link my model to the projector. I have never used a merge plate. Do I have to weld a block to the merge plate? The merge plate is Red, I don't know if that matters???? Here is a link to the video th-cam.com/video/4CDnZAqtIk4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video, it helped me a lot to understand what is the problem. The projection is sticking to the projecting grid via the top of a drill - this will not allow to print it, because it is not possible to attach any block to the top part of a drill. Instead, try to rotate the projection 180 degrees, so it sticks to the printer via a light armor block (for example), this should allow you to print the craft.
I built it according to your instructions (Great by the way). It looks great and seems to function, but nothing prints. I usually connect the projected image to the projector stand and have never used a merge plate. Do I still have to connect that plate to the image with a block? The merge plate is red also, is it suppose to be green? Here is a short video of what happens. It looks like it is working but nothing is being printed. th-cam.com/video/4CDnZAqtIk4/w-d-xo.html Thank you for the great work you do! Doc
Hi Anthony, thank you for the video it helps a lot to recognise the problem! It seems like you are trying to attach the projection with the forward part of the drill, unfortunately it's not possible as there's no mount point there (you cannot attach any other block to this part of the drill). To solve this issue try rotating a projection 180 degrees so it is attached via (for example) a light armor block, or any other block that has available mount point
That did it. However, it did not build all the blocks. It was just a few parts (a Parachute, 1 gyro and the reactor). also, when I filled my H2O generators and the hydrogen thrusters came on my whole base started to shutter. I thought it was all going to break apart. I jumped out and ground down the part attached to the merge block and it stopped. It is really neat but very unstable on a multiplayer server (which is what I am playing on). How do you release the ship from the merge block? I think I would need to do that before starting the thrusters. Also, when I checked that option you mentioned in your video to make it slower, it started shaking my whole base and this was even before I tried a projection. It was shaking just like it did when I added the ice to my O2 generators, so I unchecked it real quick and it stopped. So I can't check that option you mentioned at the end of your video to make it go slower for stability. Again thank you for taking the time to help me figure this out.
I'm not sure if I understand it correctly - you did check the "share inertia tensor" option? Also I would recommend adjusting 2 things about the blueprint you are trying to print before printing it - toggle off its thrusters and add another merge block to the ship. Merge block can be attached to another blocks but can detach only from another merge block. The printer's event controller will detach the printer's merge block when the printing is done automatically if set to do so. About some blocks missing after printing - I think the only solution I can recommend here is to further slow down the rotors, it sgould allow for more precise printing
Yes, I did check. “share an inertia Tenser”, but even with no projection up, the whole thing just starts shaking so I immediately unchecked that. So the answer is no I do not have that checked because I can’t do it without the whole thing shaking. I will try your other options. So you are saying that any blueprint that I use must have a merge block to use this printer correct? Most of the prints that I download do not have a merge plate on them so if you use a merge plate on your printer then you must have one on your blueprints, is that correct? Is it possible that I can get rid of the merge plate and just weld a block on like I normally do? Again, thank you for all of your input and I hope to get it working because I think it looks awesome.
This one looks really cool and functional! Makes a lot more sense in survival, much better than just making a grid of welders on a piston.
I will do the inverse operation: I will use a single rotor, in the middle, with a fully extended piston. As the piston retracts, the rotor will spin. The arms will do the retracting/extending as you'd expect.
imagine finding a way to use the new ai along with scripts to make a full self sufficient AI faction
they could print their own miners, fighters, etc
that would be genuinely terrifying
More like awesome, I play on Xbox and have no way to add cool scripted encounters. This would be a game changer for me.
Only thing missing for that is the possibility to let them search for ores and mine them tbh
@@termiusprime you do, but you have to buy your own private server and add the mods in server side. its an inconvenient workaround but it still exists :D
They also could not initiate FTL jumps. I think they could mine on their own but they'd have to be set up that way from the start, and could not expand. But with scripts... well, that opens up other possibilities. Even without scripts, you could have event controllers that detect the absence of a grid upon a proscribed circumstance. Which makes them build a replacement. So AI ships that have recorders to dock and undock and patrol on a schedule, but if they don't come back on schedule, new ones are built. Or interceptors are dispatched.
AI factions have only one problem and that is the sync distance. Servers usually don't synchronize and run code when no players are around, making the space without players frozen. What we did on our servers is for example carrier type NPC's or hangar stations, which when spawned produce their own support craft. So players can't just deal with one and then wait for cleanup. They have to actively deal with the threat.
You should do a full play through series with stuff like this and the new ai
Thank you SO, SOOO much! This is amazing it's complicated but... so much more simple than I imagined. Though I never would have figured this out of it wasn't for your help.
You're an absolute legend and genius.
Seriously, thank you.
Yeah it's impossible) if some things don't welded, I can restart welding. Thank you very much a kind person. Health to you and your loved ones.
This works great on survival. Pay close attention to each step or you might spend extra time troubleshooting (like me). I really like this as you can change the merge block on top of the projector to a light armor block, use that to connect to the projector build, and then build your blueprint in more than one go with more materials. You can also use MMaster's AutoLCD mod to output the projector's remaining tiles to a screen to easily monitor your progress.
Phenomenal guide! Thank you for making this!
I felt that if the performance of the computer is not good, there are some parts that are not made because of the program block when making the middle part. If the performance of the computer is not good, I recommend removing the merge block part from the timer block at first, turning it off and on from the control sheet, and turning the printer twice.
Awesome build def going to use this in my survival world.
With more pistons, you could do this to weld a large grid. Time consuming, but more PCU efficient than a welding wall.
All this without scripts. You Sir are a genius
Very nice design
awesome and efficient, much superior to welder walls.
Works great but with any printer it has problems getting the weird bits. I just tell it to start stop again after it thinks it’s done.
Very nice I'll save this vid for future reference good job
you are a genius and have a beautiful voice, thank you so much for helping me!
I love the design. I seem to be having issues with the printer arms not moving around the subgrid when printing so the welders get caught. I have set up the sensors as you did, and even though they sense the subgrid, they do not move the pistons. I'm going to try a few other ship designs in case, but thought I'd see if you had any ideas.
I cant figure out why my bottom rotor arm just shoots out on its own while the top functions properly and welds. I saw your bottom rotor arm also do the same at 9:43 but it seemed to fix itself whereas mine didnt.
Hey Caleb, maybe you have set action for the bottom piston to the top sensor?
@@Pro100tv9 The problem was along those lines thx so much
finaly =) i have a blueprint for you =)
Do you have an idea for a bigger printer? I mean medium/large ships + if I want to extend the printer by one piston up, one to the side (on both sides) and give the piston to doo welders - so that they can go down when I increase the printer, how to do it with assigning an action? (I would like to print a larger ship
YES! Thank you!!
Do i need this ?
Will i build it anyway, hell yeah
I hope one day i will be able to build it though
how do you typically get hydrogen into it right off the printer?
what would you say is the size limit of ships it can print? is it just within the arms length?
Essentialy yes, but you can add more pistons to the groups
@@Pro100tv9 thank you!! I may try to add one to my frigate in my survival world!
@@Pro100tv9 But how does it manage to do the inner parts of big ships? It can sometimes weld a part in the middle partlially and then continue with the rest and then not be able to finish the inner part because the parts around it were also partially made?
Hi Daniel, I wouldn't recommend to use this printer for large grids.
For this porpose pad printer or just a separate printing craft does better
is pretty cool
but with the setup
im prob just gonna stick to a welder wall
What's the point for the merge block?
It's over there to hold the projected grid and easily detach it after printing
Anyway to help me with this? It appears to work great but for some reason it doesn't weld everything in one go I have to run the program 4 times in order to do one print.
Hey, maybe reducing speed of rotors and arm piston will help. This way welders will have more time to reach projected blocks
@@Pro100tv9 Slowing down both rotors and arms seemed to have it print less this time? I'm not sure I've got all the exact settings as you have on yours?
@@Pro100tv9 I think I got it working good now, had to add on 2 extra arms with 2 extra welders seems to be working good now
how did you open the panel to type in the piston speed??? that is so insanely useful
Absolutely! It's very handy. Try using ctrl+left click
@@Pro100tv9 oh god, i didnt even know that was a thing, i couldnt find it in any of the settings, i always went to a singleplayer creative world, adjusted the speed with a script, and then took a blueprint of that just to print it in a vanilla server im playing on.....
i built the plan step by step and when i go to trigger now for the start/stop timer it triggers the final timer, and turning it off from there messes with the other blocks, making arms go in and out
Are sensors turn on when you start it?
So it works as intended but it keeps detaching my ship before it is fully built and when i take away access to the merge block it will only weld to where it would have disconnected anyways. What do i need to change different blueprints
Hey @joshuabaker6971, there's an event controller that checks piston position. By default it is set to 55%.
At this threshold it will end printing cycle. If the ship you are trying to print is bigger, lower the threshold - for instance to 30 or even 10%, depending on the grid size, it should help
Yes that helped a lot
Does this work for any small grid ship? Or is this thing tuned to your ship alone?
It should work for most small grids. Sometimes, when a ship that you try to print is bigger, you will need to adjust the event controller slider or turn off the event controller completely
How did you set up that little projector? I have no way to put it in that place because it falls down - I can only give a big one
You can replace a big rotor head with a small one and place the small projector on top of it
I tried this verbatim, following the steps to the T, and still have not been able to get the piston arms to extend/retract to print properly.
Hey, are sensors "ON" when you start the printing cycle? If not, try switching them OFF while the printer is idle, and then start printing and let the printer go for a full cycle
@Pro100tv9 Sensors were in fact off when I triggered the start/stop timer block
It might be that you have both extend and retract on the activate side of the sensor
Built it, but obviously cant follow instructions, rotors dont turn, and the welder piston only sometimes move, i will delete all controls, and watch the clip again...😊
If I were to put let's say 3 or 4 more pistons will it still work I'm just looking to print some large large ships
Technically yes, but it could get unstable with too many pistons. it's definitely worth to test
@@Pro100tv9 yeh was gonna test it but then was told that they are banned in Xbox servers for lag
I believe that it depends on server. I don't play on Xbox, but I've seen a giant walking mech made entirely on this console some time ago
Nice Printer but when I try to scale it to big ships and large grid it don't work. Any ideas?
Hi Mateusz, I wouldn't recommend printing large grids with this printer, however if you really want to you can replace the small projector with a large projector and you should be able to do it then.
@@Pro100tv9 Hi I was able to add 2 instead of 1 piston on sides and add 6 pistons for projections and 7 pistons on arms and all work perfectly fine
I also grouped the pistons and named them like your piston and applied same logic to it and it work fine
I'm printing huge ship atm and all works fine
I also applied to share tensor on pistons to make it more reliable
That's great to hear! I honestly didn't expect this printer to be capable of printing anything bigger than a fighter. Good job!
@@mattmadcathey, how did you large ship print go? Looking at making one of these for mine
Printed pretty well but it was huge ship it took me few days to print.
Does my blueprint need to have merge block at the end? Also for me I have to trigger multiple prints for it to fully finish the build, is that normal?
It doesn't need a merge block, but you will need to grind down the connecting block between blueprint and printer once the printing is complete.
I think the event controller setting may need to be adjusted to the size of your blueprint
I use a connector so i can refuel and rearm while connected
I don't get where's the problem. Look i've set everything fine, all seems works fine but the projection won't "become" a real block once the welders gets closer, to this reason all cannot work because sensors won't relevate anything phisical crafted = in summary = its all locked on the whole structure rotating end extending property, the projection still a ghost, and nothing change :/
Any suggestion/help?
Hmm, can you switch the merge block off while the printer is not running? I think this should help
@@Pro100tv9 Nothing. The welders still not create anything. I even tried to hand-weld the projection (in admin-creative. Survival savegame) but the projection didn't react at all. Im still wondering how works te projector. First time i use it x)
It seems like the issue is related to the projection that is not attached to the projecting grid.
Perhaps the blueprint you are trying to print has its merge block switched off?
If that's not the case, could you make a blueprint of your printer, upload it to workshop and post a link to it over here?
I could troubleshoot it this way
Not a viable Survival printer on multiplayer. Once a small ship is built, Klang destroys everything....
Did you enable "share inertia tensor"?
It just keeps breaking off the ship even without any shaking
Hey, you can try to enable "share inertia tensor" option in pistons and rotors, it should stabilize the whole grid
I explained it wrong
@@Pro100tv9 It works as intended I just don't know what to change for different blueprints so it keeps ending up running through its function before the ship is complete
I really wish there was something to do in survival
Like in minecraft you can get maxed out equipment and kill the enderdragon
In no mans sky you can go to the center of the universe
But with space engineers
You get to space get cobalt win? Thats it no more progression
Only bigger ships to do things
Pvp slightly ammends this but resources aren't scarse and well space engineers is really big
Add MES mod and all of its NPCs or play Ares at War mod
@@ChristopherPisz war... that sounds fun!
I followed your instructions to the tee (video was great). However, it looks like it is working but nothing gets built. I took a video so you can see what it is doing. I usually use a metal sheet block to link my model to the projector. I have never used a merge plate. Do I have to weld a block to the merge plate? The merge plate is Red, I don't know if that matters????
Here is a link to the video th-cam.com/video/4CDnZAqtIk4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video, it helped me a lot to understand what is the problem.
The projection is sticking to the projecting grid via the top of a drill - this will not allow to print it, because it is not possible to attach any block to the top part of a drill.
Instead, try to rotate the projection 180 degrees, so it sticks to the printer via a light armor block (for example), this should allow you to print the craft.
I built it according to your instructions (Great by the way). It looks great and seems to function, but nothing prints. I usually connect the projected image to the projector stand and have never used a merge plate. Do I still have to connect that plate to the image with a block? The merge plate is red also, is it suppose to be green? Here is a short video of what happens. It looks like it is working but nothing is being printed. th-cam.com/video/4CDnZAqtIk4/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the great work you do! Doc
Hi Anthony, thank you for the video it helps a lot to recognise the problem!
It seems like you are trying to attach the projection with the forward part of the drill, unfortunately it's not possible as there's no mount point there (you cannot attach any other block to this part of the drill).
To solve this issue try rotating a projection 180 degrees so it is attached via (for example) a light armor block, or any other block that has available mount point
Thank you for your quick response. I will try it and get back to you.
That did it. However, it did not build all the blocks. It was just a few parts (a Parachute, 1 gyro and the reactor). also, when I filled my H2O generators and the hydrogen thrusters came on my whole base started to shutter. I thought it was all going to break apart. I jumped out and ground down the part attached to the merge block and it stopped. It is really neat but very unstable on a multiplayer server (which is what I am playing on). How do you release the ship from the merge block? I think I would need to do that before starting the thrusters. Also, when I checked that option you mentioned in your video to make it slower, it started shaking my whole base and this was even before I tried a projection. It was shaking just like it did when I added the ice to my O2 generators, so I unchecked it real quick and it stopped. So I can't check that option you mentioned at the end of your video to make it go slower for stability. Again thank you for taking the time to help me figure this out.
I'm not sure if I understand it correctly - you did check the "share inertia tensor" option?
Also I would recommend adjusting 2 things about the blueprint you are trying to print before printing it - toggle off its thrusters and add another merge block to the ship.
Merge block can be attached to another blocks but can detach only from another merge block.
The printer's event controller will detach the printer's merge block when the printing is done automatically if set to do so.
About some blocks missing after printing - I think the only solution I can recommend here is to further slow down the rotors, it sgould allow for more precise printing
Yes, I did check. “share an inertia Tenser”, but even with no projection up, the whole thing just starts shaking so I immediately unchecked that. So the answer is no I do not have that checked because I can’t do it without the whole thing shaking.
I will try your other options. So you are saying that any blueprint that I use must have a merge block to use this printer correct? Most of the prints that I download do not have a merge plate on them so if you use a merge plate on your printer then you must have one on your blueprints, is that correct? Is it possible that I can get rid of the merge plate and just weld a block on like I normally do? Again, thank you for all of your input and I hope to get it working because I think it looks awesome.
It works, but it's ridiculously over complicated.
Looks dope tho
Too small
Love the guide and your Miner blueprint. Is it still using PAM or have you created a new one for the new automation modules?
Thanks! This drone is using the SCAM script. I work on scriptless miner, and hopefully I will be able to provide some updates on this project soon 🙂
Scriptless miner drone would be amazing