Have you ever seen a picture of the Korean peninsula from space a night: the south is lit top to bottom almost solid...the north is nearly totally dark with a few white spots. How can you say there is a doubt who won or lost the war. Would you really rather live in N. Korea than S. Korea!
@@rickden8362 The US carpet bombed the North such that no building over two stories high was left standing. The government in the South was merely a military puppet dictatorship of Washington. Like other capitalist miracles in Asia it has a population that is not reproducing itself.
Who won? I like how the video didn’t answer this. To me, Korea is a wasteful stupid war that gave no wholesome benefit. 1)the civilians death rate is horrendous and unexplored ordinances I believe still continue. 2)both sides supported dictators who killed their own people, either cooperated in wholesale massacres, or at the very least gave the book. 3)Soith Korea may be remembered as a positive democracy, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE until the 80s; Rhee’s tenure was an authoritarian nightmare. The North Koreans technically came on top economically but that eventually gave way to a rising tide of North Korean racism nationalism and Kim’s authoritarian mindset pulling the country more into the evil it is todays 4)the U.S. army, as Thomas ricks journalist on military history, and as the video pointed out were wholly unprepared for the war and its internal command structure was fractured and formed times eschewed by egos. Rick’s pointed out the problems of commanders lying to their superiors, the U.S.’s rotating policy on sending troops to replace veterans, a failure to understand the battlefield, to adapt quickly, and a limited political will to enter a war were lessons were ignored. 5)China became more paranoid because of the costs of the war and it may have encouraged Mao to be harsher. It’s worth noting that while China did become closer to both Vietnam and North Korea, those friendships were dubious. Vietnam and China would duke it out the 70s (among their other diplomatic disagreements), and North Korea has rarely been an economic powerhouse that could benefit China. It’s now could be considered to be a ticking bomb that China dosnt want to touch. It has nuclear weapons and its collapse means that millions of refugees could come across Chinese border. 6)the US became more paranoid as Joe McCarthy rose up to power. 7)despite being integrated, U.S. nonwhite troops came home to horrific racism.
People really start to believe their own bs The USA invaded Iraq without any strategy or plan for victory because George Bush really believed everything would just work out
Not really no one won much of anything. Korea as a whole lost the most and the north lost even more with 1/3 of the population being killed. All this tragedy could be partially justified if the country ended up united but it remains divided. Japan supposed benefit is more a Pyrrhic victory of sorts since japan geopolitical situation remained the same to this day meaning under occupation. Economic boom changed nothing when it comes to what matters. Also japan was helped by not having to spend in defense and having a sure marked (US). When japan economic success started to cause some small problems for US they demanded that Japan cut off their own legs (currency valuation, targeting technological companies) and japan had no other option since it is under occupation. So GDP changes nothing when t comes to sovereignty.
"For over a century, foreign powers believed that China neither had the technology, nor the organization, nor the will, to fight a great power on equal terms. No longer." - Professor Richard Baum, UCLA, summarizing the effects of the importance of the Korean War on Chinese history.
@@OliverDee-e5g They succeeded in their stated objective, which was to teach Vietnam a lesson about invading China's ally at the time, Cambodia. China went in and trashed the Vietnamese northern industrial sector and retreated to the border and fought border skirmishes from there. It was never a invasion of conquest or government toppling.
As a first gen Chinese immigrant living in the west, I really appreciate the strive for unbiasedness in this video. A very personal one to me too as grandpa fought with the 38th army of the people's volunteer army. He survived the war with a bullet blocked by his water canteen, went on to serve as a tank regiment commander in the PLA till retirement. One of my favourite childhood memories was going through the handbooks he had brought from the army with identifications for different tank types and tactics for tank combat.
It's still not fair enough. Your form clearly states that the US military suffered huge casualties of 173,000. The data is obviously false. In addition, the Ministry of Civil Affairs of China announced that military casualties were 371,000. Don’t you know how to use Google?
The real winner was China. People thought Mao's armies, poorly equipped, would be easily handled and defeated. Instead, they crossed Yalu river and pushed the American soldiers all the way to Pusan. American carriers were able to intercept the Chinese armies in the middle and build a counter-attack force near the shores. Calling it a tie is fair but China's capabilities to fight the American forces showed the USA and its allies that they could no longer rule the world and Chiang Kai-sheik in Taiwan could no longer get US participation to fulfill his dream in recovering the Chinese mainland !
I would not say the same thing for the low level Chinese soldiers who are fortunate to come back with missing limbs. There were lots and not given benefits I presumed. I mean I like Taiwan popcorn chicken than kung pao chicken every day.
@@夏本太郎 It seems the Chinese leadership did not fully get the memo during the Sino Vietnam War even after the US attempt. Why did 中華抗日救國先鋒隊 decide to do that is beyond me. I thought they were communists brothers? You do not see that with US and Australia or Ireland in history. Even with UK, relations became better. I also would like to see more Chinese interviews of the Korean War especially pilots but that is not available due to your government not allowing sites such as youtube or google or even wikipedia so historical sources are better located in Western Countries due to better transparency and easy language english access.
General Mathew Ridgeway who replaced Mac Arthur said: "Korean war is the first major war the US failed to dictate the terms and conditions on how the war ended"
Yeah, they didnt dictate the terms. But they didnt in the War of 1812 either. Yet, I feel confident in saying that we won both of those wars. We SHOULD have acted with more confidence and prestige. We allowed Communists to waste time over seating at the negotiation table while also fighting to avoid a larger conflict. This is the strategy that the International banks and the Federal Reserve banks favored at this point. They wanted limited wars of incremental escalation to stretch out their length. We stopped fighting for unconditional surrender. I say, if you are not willing to win absolutely, then dont go fight. But, once again, this is not what the banks that finance these things wanted at that point. Too much destruction damages economies and inhibits a nations ability to repay the loans. As so eloquently stated by Smedley Butler(the most militarily decorated American soldier ever, at least at the time of his retirement) said, “WAR IS A RACKET”
@@chargree the US didn't win in the war of 1812, they returned to the status quo after the treaty of Ghent. there was no advantage they gained and they didn't end up taking Canada.
I'm a US expat living in Colombia and people are aware of Colombia's participation in the Korean War. It's not the "forgotten war" as it's called elsewhere.
Sadley in the USA it is the forgotten war. Not to many Americans left to tell their story. For years it was always about Vietnam. I knew many veterans who fought in nam and Korea. They all said nam didn't even compair to their fight in Korea. They said their was no comparison and I already thought that from my research.
My father served as a British soldier in The Korean War. When I did some time with the army He then decided to tell me more about his experiences, which were most harrowing. I thank you a lot for this Excellent video about this Korean War,
It's still not fair enough. Your form clearly states that the US military suffered huge casualties of 173,000. The data is obviously false. In addition, the Ministry of Civil Affairs of China announced that military casualties were 371,000. Don’t you know how to use Google?
Man, Real Time History has to be one of the best history channels for conveying detailed information in a short format regarding the history of world conflict. Jesse's narration is clear, concise and well delivered. Always excited for notifications of new episodes... if I get them.
My Grandfather fought in Korea as a supply truck driver, he talked about a British officer who offered him some tea which he accepted, shortly after a North Korean mortar attacked the base and a round landed where he would have been standing had he not accepted, crazy to think he could have been the 24th NZEF death
@@ohhi5237 Well he didn't murder them, he served his country like any other soldier, but if you wanna think about it then how many people have your ancestors murdered hm.
My Dad fought in the Korean War. He fought at PorkChop Hill carrying his B.A.R. . He’s gone now , but his stories of that war haunt me to this very day.
Thank you for the video ! As a south korean, My grandfather was forcibly conscripted by the Imperial Japanese Army and assigned to the 50th Regiment of the Kwantung Army in Manchuria. In 1944, he was ordered to move to Tinian Island near Saipan to defend against the US Marine Corps landing on the island. However, when the situation for the Japanese army became unfavorable, he was ordered not to be taken as a prisoner, but to commit suicide by jumping off a cliff as a soldier of the Japanese Imperial Army. He was able to survive by secretly leading Koreans who had been forcibly conscripted like him to surrender to the U.S. Marines and telling them in Japanese that they were Koreans and had been forcibly conscripted by the Japanese Empire. After World War II ended, he returned to Korea and joined the South Korean Army. Later, during the Korean War, he fought against North Korean and Chinese forces. After the Korean War armistice, he was sent as a military advisor to Vietnam in the 1970s.
Over 30,000 Americans lost their lives in Korea and asked for nothing in return but a patch of land to bury their dead. As a result of their sacrifice, there are millions of people who live in relative freedom today instead of the worst kind of totalitarianism in the world. All you need to do to confirm this claim is to look at a satellite image of the peninsula at night. This is a major victory for the cause of liberty and the idea that it can be considered anything else is absurd.
But without France we wouldn’t have been sucked into WW1 and 2, or Vietnam. Or the Napoleonic wars for that matter and all the Medieval wars we had against them. So we have to thank them for helping to start all the biggest wars to begin with.
My oldest uncle signed up at 17. Canadian. He came home from basic and stood godfather for my mom who is the youngest. He sewed lead weights into his pants because he didn't weigh enough. Wound up serving 25 years. He in his 90's now
My grandpa served in the Navy during the war, i made sure to sit and listen to the stories! Glad this part of history is gaining traction, more should know the sacrifices made.
China prove that despite the US having overwhelming air, naval, economic and overall fire power, they were able to fight them to a standstill using mainly volunteers. Yes they did lost way more troops than the US did but at no point were they on the verge of collapse. And that in itself is extremely impressive.
@@danielthompson3326 China came out as the victor of that war. The fact that China at the time which was jus a simple third world country was able to go toe to toe with a superpower and force them to consider the use of nuclear weapons is stunning lmao. Mind U, they didn't had tanks or planes or war ships or overwhelm artillery like the US. All they had was a lot of lightly equipped, poorly trained but highly motivated infantry men. And they force the US military to withdraw from the Yalu River all the way back to 38 parallel. The largest withdrawal in US military history was at the hands of the Chinese in the Korean war. I guess they don't teach that in U all schools. And mind U, it wasn't like the US was their fighting the Chinese with a few thousand men. It is estimated that the US had at its peak close to 400,000 troops. That amount along with overwhelming air power, naval power and artillery and tanks should have crushed the Chinese who were only infantry. But they failed to do so and instead was forced into a stalemate by an inferior but highly motivated military. If the Chinese had half the tanks and planes the US had, they would have pushed the US completely out of Korea and would have won the war hands down!
@@azharuddinzahaur7683 I am not sure i would call this a chinese victory. They didn't achieve any objective other than return to a stalemate. The surprise they had only worked in the initial months of the war. The battle of chosin was an embarrassment for the PLA. That the UN retreated had to do with flexibility the forces were not destroyed and were able to be used again. The losses china took was ridiculous . And they were not poorly trained... these were veterans of the civil war.
@@Blitz45 The fact that China went up against a nuclear superpower who had control over the sea and sky plus overwhelming artillery and tanks and who was supported by other countries as well and yet were able to force them to retreat from the Yalu River back to the original border in itself a victory. Even if their surprise only worked for the initial part of the war, at no point were the Chinese on the verge of collapse. Mind U the Chinese had logistics problem, issues with their weapons as well lack of appropriate clothing to help them with the winter and yet they were not routed. Now let's say the tables were turned lol. Do U think US would have survived?
@@azharuddinzahaur7683 honestly its hard to debate with a chinese bot. If the war had continued and the UN took it more seriously there would have been a western victory. economically china couldn't hang on much longer. I will never see this as a chinese victory because to me it was an defensive war for south korea that ended in a stalemate from defeat. looking at where north korea is now and south korea it is obvious who the real winner is here. And it is not china.
My grandfather was in Korea from 1951 to 1953. He would always tell me what he saw, I mean everything . This video very informative and well done. Including facts as my grandfather told me.
Without the Korean war I wouldn't be Alive right now which is crazy to think about... My mom and her twin sister were 2 at the time and got on a war plane full of other kids and were flown to Arizona to be adopted. Her and her sister were adopted by an Air Force Captain and he raised them in Arizona with his wife. My moms been living in America her whole life and married my dad and had me... She just turned 70 and is so healthy and full of life.. I think about this all the time how wars shape our history more than we know.
US General Mark W. Clark signed the Armistice and said: "I was the first American commander to put his signature to a paper ending a war when we did not win it."
1. North Korea did not consult with China in advance before the attack, otherwise China would not have reacted so slowly and urgently mobilized troops from the south to the north in October. Some troops entered North Korea wearing summer uniforms. 2. Kim Il-sung's guerrillas in China belonged to one of the armed forces under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party. 3. Kim Il-sung was supported by the Soviet Union and purged all Chinese factions after the war because they opposed personality cult. 4. China planned to use 10 divisions in the Battle of Chosin Reservoir, but because it snowed in North Korea in October, the southern troops from China were still wearing summer uniforms and were not fully prepared. Only 3 divisions arrived at the battlefield and half of their personnel were reduced. 5. This war was the first and possibly the last time the United Nations authorized the use of force to intervene in a civil war. All subsequent United Nations forces were neutral observers.6. American bombers indiscriminately bombed Dandong on August 27, 1950, causing civilian casualties.7. There are many collaborators with the Japanese in World War II in the South Korean government and army who have not been liquidated. Many officers who control the army have served in the Japanese army. The army training is the same as the Japanese army. Even if the training method of the US army was adopted later, the South Korean army still acts in the same way as the old Japanese army. The treatment is poor and the morale is maintained by cruelty and barbarity. The South Korean army joined the Vietnam War and showed the same cruelty as the Japanese.8. The story about Chinese prisoners of war not wanting to return to China is a complete lie. Many were treated harshly in the prisoner-of-war camps. The U.S. military used tanks and flamethrowers to suppress the rebellious prisoners in the prisoner-of-war camps. The U.S. has video footage of this. Therefore, the number of prisoners of war who died may be as high as 10,000.
NO.8, the footage 39:39 in this vedio show the facts: the special agency from Taiwan were involved. They divided and forced the POW not returned, they make tattoo on their bodies such as down with CCP MAO ZEDONG etc. To the POW refused to cooperate, they cut their lambs and throw them to.the sea. All these brutal documents I watched from a Taiwanese TV documentary, also in TH-cam some years ago.
I agree with most of what you've written, except that "Chinese prisoners of war not wanting to return to China is a complete lie". I've met some of those former POWs in Taiwan! I believe there are about 30,000 of such POWs who went to Taiwan. There are several reasons why they chose to do so: (1) some of the PVA units were former defeated KMT troops who had surrendered to the PLA and were then sent to Korea, (2) there was coercion by pro-KMT elements in the POW camps, including branding anti-communist slogans on their arms. I also saw an interesting TV documentary where several of these former POWs now in their 80s were interviewed; one said he was very content being in Taiwan but another said he still doesn't feel at home in Taiwan and misses his homeland in China.
Japan and Taiwan (ROC) Japan : Thanks to the military demands, they revived their factories Taiwan (ROC) : Because China sent their forces to Korea, China (PRC) stopped their plan to attack Taiwan
Crucially, the Beijing expended their most experienced soldiers in Korea, so by the time the shooting stopped there, the PLA were left largely with conscripts who lack the experience of sustainably fighting on an offensive.
The PLA lost a lot foot soldiers in the Korean War but it also gained many categories of soldiers it previously was short of, like MiG pilots, tank crews, artillery officers. This was the result of gaining greater access to a wide range of Soviet weaponry as a condition of Chinese entry into the Korean War on Stalin's behalf. On the whole, the PLA in fact grew stronger as the Korean War went on, particularly in its airforce. However, the death of Stalin in 1953 changed everything and helped to bring a quick end of Chinese participation of the Korean War.
My grandfather and his two younger brothers were both members of the Chinese People's Volunteers. The second grandfather was blinded by the bombing, the third grandfather disappeared, and my grandfather was unscathed. It can be seen from the Korean War that the US military, whose weapons and equipment are far superior to China's, can only draw a tie with China, not to mention that China's weapons and equipment are now second only to the United States. In terms of fighting will, China has never been afraid of any country. Therefore, we ask the United States and its allies not to interfere in China's internal affairs and just take care of themselves.
We could ask the Chinese to stop doing so many toxic things like illegally immigrating to the USA or stop manufacturing and sending fentanyl for example but that would be naive.
@@Lex_Lugar Fun fact: If you talk to most of the Chinese immigrants, they would all claim that they're "fugitives" and "victims" of the Chinese gov. and are not welcomed by people back in China, whilst strongly believing in the American dream.
@Lex_Lugar For ur information, the whole merika was built on illegal immigrants frm Europe,so ur Ppl are the least qualified to accuse anyone of ILLEGAL immigrants period.
Taiwan has been off limits to china for how long? They won’t touch it because they best china can do is build stuff that they compare to 30 year old American tech. Face it china like Russia is trash.
Both my brother and brother-in-law participated in the Korean War. Personally, I served in the US Army and was stationed there in two separate periods: 1962-63 and 1963-64. During both tours, I was stationed just a few miles south of the DMZ at Camp Hovey and Camp Casey. Recently, I went online to look at current images of those areas, and each time I was astonished by the stark differences. While I was there, I had the opportunity to travel to Seoul and Pusan, and the progress and advancements I witnessed throughout Korea were equally remarkable and comparable to the changes that took place in the areas where I was stationed. Although I was young and found the whole experience interesting, I have no desire to revisit Korea at this point in my life.
It is unnecessary for Korean war, because the war was a civil war among the Korean, UN and USA made a mistake to interfere other country internal affair.
US fought many wars, most are lost , soldiers' life are wasted, for example, Vietnam war, Korea war, Iraq war and Afghanistan war. did US government ever consider the objective of war ？ what is the final goal or achievement before starting a war. " it is easy to start a war, but very hard to end a war" ---- this is only lesson that US government shall learn.
My grandpa was in the Korean War. He died before I was born and never talked about it with my mom but told her that he was a messenger. Thanks for the documentary, it helped understand what he was going through.
Not fair, still biased. For example, the prisoners from China and North Korean were captured and US refused to realease all of them. What happened to them after? Some of them were sent to Taiwan and as a way of propaganda, they were branded or scarred with anti-communist slogans. Many were later sent back to China in a later icebreak between China and Taiwan. Lihua is also a terrible made-up name. This is not like calling a German Hans or Max. This is like "I have a black friend, whose name is Obama." Also, geopolitics and early communications between heads of states should've been mentioned , especiallyon how and why US gov and Chinese Gov wanted to intervene. Eg. Mao had reluctance to have the war started at the first place, Kim Il Sung neglected his advice and started that after his visit to Starlin. There are more to talk about, like why they ended up with a truce and stuff, how Ridgeway defense technique took effect and PLA found difficulty in pushing forward
My uncle saw so many men fall in Vietnam, he was an engineer and a jeep driver, and one of his squad mates wrote a book about their defensive posture in Khe Sahn. He split his tongue in half and suffered severe brain damage and shrapnel injuries. VA took care of him, but Ken says he blames it all on Korea. He never would have been there had the US never bothered with the eastern communist block affairs. They would have fallen on their own like the USSR. But French and American intervention caused so many unnecessary deaths. RIP to all the young men who never came home.
Fun story: after the success of Operation Chromite landing and the continuous approaching of the frontline to the Chinese border, the Chinese government was afraid the war would eventually in China or bring threats to the Chinese border in the future where most Chinese industrial areas were nearby (Dongbei of China). Mao decided to help North Korea, but due to the lack of supply and modernization, Mao asked Stalin to provide mass support and was rejected because Stalin believed the Chinese would eventually intervene in the war without help, Stalin wanted a weakened communist friend/neighbor and to weaken Mao's prestige within the communism's world.
one reason that make me think China is the real winner is that mao agreed on making nuclear bomb after usa threats of using the bomb( mao didn't like nuclear weapons )
Canadian living in Korea here. Didn't know Belgium had a contingent, my thanks to him for his service. South Korea could not have prospered into the country it is today without these brave servicemen and women's help
China won. They showed even without tanks, artilleries and planes they drove away their enemies. Mac arthur tried to conquered china by crossing the Yalu River. And he withdrew almost at the end of sokor. And nokor continued to become a buffer state.
@Victory1981 Of cos the Chinese won. They successfully stop Us military bases being set up at their borders and got a huge buffer state to secure their geopolitical safety. China also gained a whole set of industrial transfer and assistance frm Soviet union as reward for cutting off Us military expansion on the whole Korean peninsula
Wish I had the opportunity to talk to my grandfather about his experience and view on the world. Served in Korea and Vietnam but suffered health effects from his exposure to agent orange. He passed away when I was four.
Interesting take on the Korean War. Usually this is presented in a very pro-america/UN forces standing against waves of Chinese. With what little time you had, it felt a little more even handed.
I don't know who called the Korean War "the forgotten war," but they were dead wrong. I have read that U.S. Army personnel that served in both the Korean and Vietnam Wars consistently said that the Korean War was a much intenser, harder war than Vietnam. I can well believe it. In the West, those personnel of the U.S. armed forces that served in the Korean War certainly have _not_ forgotten this exceedingly bloody mid-20th-century war.
It’s called the ‘forgotten war’ because it received far less public attention and because congress never formerly declared war. Has nothing to do with how intense the war is. Not only that, but people mistakenly believe it ended.
The only victor was Taiwan. Communist China had already started attacking the outlying islands of Taiwan in 1949 but the invasion stalled because it needed Soviet material help to go further and Stalin was receptive of the idea. However, the Korean War put the invasion of Taiwan on hold as Soviet and Chinese resources flowed into Korea instead. Then Stalin died in 1953 and the Korean War ended. The US saw the Korean War as a Communist plot to take over Asia and made the commitment to defend Taiwan by signing a Mutual Defense Treaty with the Chinese Nationalists in Taiwan in 1954. So Taiwan was in effect saved by the Korean War and became the only victor.
South Korea was also a victor since their only true goal was the preservation of the South Korean state. While it would’ve been nice to fully unify, ultimately the only real losers were the North Koreans as their initial aim was to forcibly unify Korea under the Communist regime. Otherwise, the US and South Korea got what they wanted (preservation of South Korea) and so did China (preservation of North Korea).
@@gameragodzilla South Korea paid a terrible price for the survival as a country with nearly a million South Koreans killed and many times more injured. The capital Seoul was battleground for multiple times and severely damaged in the fighting.
Sadly my father being of Chinese decent was drafted into this war. Looking at his platoon photo, he was the only Asian in that platoon. He never talked about that time period to us kids. I only heard him one time speak of his time there. On the front line he was faced with his own country man charging at him while he held his carbine. He said he had to shoot over their heads. I don’t think he wanted to kill anybody. According to my uncle who was ten years younger. When Dad returned “home”, he was a stranger. The family was so relieved and joyous upon his return but he didn’t want anything to do with anybody. He would spend days and nights out doing whatever. Eventually he came to his senses I guess. Got a job, got married and got his part of the American dream eventually owning many rental apartment complexes. There was nothing the man feared. All his fears were left somewhere on the battle fields of Korea. He’s been gone from us for 24 years now. My father the hero but I will never know his pain. In war…..nobody wins and everybody loses in someway
China didn’t start the war. It entered after numerous warning against foreign troops bordering Yalu. It paid a price but achieved its goal. It also did not leave any troops in the peninsula after the armistice was finalized. Is winning a war means achieving its political goal? You tell me.
Although China did not start the war, North Korea started the war with political permission, human support, and material support from China and the Soviet Union. Opinions that defend China always omit this part.
@@7chq political support, perhaps. Permission? China has no troops in NK before the war and after the armistice!! Material? No Soviet tanks no going south. Don’t blame China.
@@7chq pls study history carefully before talk,how do you know North Korea got pessission from China? China is extremely poor that time, no one wish this war, and had to face it with urgency.
I visited Gwangju South Korea in 2019 and was surprised to talk to an old man in a bus who remembered Filipino soldiers in the Korean War and was grateful. South Korea and the Philippines are great friends.
I was pretty convinced by that, but the counter-argument, that China never invaded Taiwan, is equally strong. More than anything else, that probably shows how no one really "won" the Korean war. Both sides didn't want to try again.
@@louisvaught2495 China have proved that they meant want they say and will do what they say China intervene in Korea war and Vietnam War and now China is saying sending the same warning to the USA to back off Taiwan or face war again. That is why the USA can only force Taiwan to spend as much money to buy US weapons so that at least the US military complex and economy can benefit from it. The difference the US is giving away billions to Ukraine but not with Taiwan, Taiwan have to pay for all the military equipment. It would seems the USA can only sell military equipment to Taiwan not clothing, shoes, furniture etc.
@@louisvaught2495 China never invaded Taiwan because they didn't have the logistics to put 300k men in Taiwan. It's that simple. As far as no one else wants to try again. Not true. The Americans have been goading China into a war. What history has taught us is that dying empires never win wars against rising ones.
The U.S. won the Korean War - it reached its strategic goal when the war ended: it pushed the enemy back and saved its ally state from being annexed and extinct, and restored the border to the state before it committed itself to the war; China also won the Korean War - it reached its strategic goal when the war ended: it pushed the enemy back and saved its ally state from being annexed and extinct, and restored the border to the state before it committed itself to the war. Both Korean states and their peoples lost the war - millions died as both sides achieved basically nothing.
Through the Korean War, I think China indeed exposed the American military as a paper tiger. Anglo-Saxons did dominate when their weapons are much more superior, but when there is little room for applying that superiority, they are mostly inferior fighters compared to the Chinese or the Japanese. Today, it’s arguable who is really technologically superior, but given both US and China are nuclear powers with hydrogen bombs, and neutron bombs as well, neither side really wants to engage with one another in a direct confrontation
Not really. China fought a war next door while the US had to travel across the largest ocean in the world just to get to the fight. Even having home field advantage, China couldn't break the coalition defense. Add in the US was not even wanting to get involved so there were major political setbacks for war support. It's extremely telling.
About 10 years ago after a regional Asia Pacific meeting in Seoul our local hosts organised a trip for us to visit the DMZ. Our local hosts managed to get a local guide bus and packet lunches. Close to the border we noticed among the hills along the DMZ some were brown and some were green. Asked why our local guide nochantly mentioned the green hills belonged to the south Korean side while the brown hills were north Korea. When asked why he mentioned.. as there was a shortage of food...the north Koreans need to pluck grass for food that's why hills were bare on the north Korean side
Americans called the Korean War "the Forgotten War." That conveyed a lot about who truly won the war. You don't call a war "a forgotten war" if you were the winner of the conflict.
That's because absolutely nothing changed for any American civilian whatsoever. It was a distant war fought for a motivation barely understood by the public. If kore fell or not, the average American did not care.
By that same logic British commonwealth group including Chinese who fought the Japanese are known as 14th infantry or also forgotten army. Then surely they must have lost because that division is forgotten? Illogical comment
Great vid. My grandfather was US Army, Radioman, G Co 21st regiment 24th Inf Div Korea 1952-53. He was drafted and earned a bronze star with 2 oak leaves. He died at the age of 90 in 2020. After I joined up and served, he shared all his stories. What a great generation RIP
You make it sound like none of Japan's pre-war industrial based survived or something which allowed them to build the navy that they were able to build to go to war with. They certainly did get aid and help from the US, but they also became the nation they are today through their own hard work and perseverance and their drive to succeed.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ They were in the process of deconstructing their heavy industry under U.S. supervision with plans to focus on agriculture and light industry. Thankfully their heavy industry was allowed to rebuild due to need for war material. Yes, they were able to rebuild with their own hands and sweat but it was because they were allowed to.
Jesse & team, that was a brilliant documentary, but it did skip a couple of important battles. Not to mention that Australia was barely a footnote in this documentary along with New Zealand. I would suggest to everyone to read up on the Battle of Kapyong 22-27 April 1951. I know it's hard document everything here but you could have spread it out over 2 parts. People tend to forget that it was the first time that the UN had a unified command of troops from different countries. It's also the first forgotten war.
This is another of those wars where the answer to 'who won? who lost?' is actually 'yes', isn't it? All got some of their strategic objectives and failed a significant amount of their strategic objectives. Also 17:22 Peng Dehuai is worth a read. Poor guy was a brilliant general by all accounts, but ended up getting purged by Mao. He's been reinstated after death as a bit of a hero by the anti-maoist faction of the CCP though.
This is terrific. Thank you. I once worked for the Feds, and grew up with the Irish Troubles. You are a fine historian. Stick Trinity by Leon Uris on next summer's beach-reading list.
~1000+ British casualties doesn't seem much at first, but seeing them on the Armed Forces Memorial at the National Memorial Arboretum, for all post-1945 conflict, those names loom large over you. It is hugely humbling for so many reasons.
1) The main winners are, ironically, the former Axis powers (Japan, Italy and (West)Germany), as they were being thoroughly integrated into the western economic and military alliances. 2) Another set of winners are both Chinas, Red (mainland) and National (Taiwan)... Red China got a buffer state, lots of propaganda, and was able to make technological leaps and was able, to some degree, emancipate itself from Moscow. National China on Taiwan became an integral part of Big Daddy America's anti-communist "bulwark" in East-Asia. 3) And also very important winners were, the Kim "Royal" Family of North Korea as well as South Korea's fascist dictator Syngman Rhee. They could rule their respective halfs of Korea with impunity under the umbrella of their big "protectors".
Saddened to see so little mention of Australia's contribution. Her Air force squadron based in Japan (British Commonwealth Occupation Force since 1945) was the first UN force to join the US attacks. Her Infantry Battalion made up a third of the British Commonwealth Brigade and had an important victory at Kapyong after the heroic fight of the Gloucestershire's Battle (along with New Zealand artillery and the nearby Canadian defence). Her Navy's Frigates and an Aircraft Carrier made early and important contributions to the conflict.
@@niuchajianfa6222everyone does war crimes. But when you win it doesn’t count. I wonder, do you support the terrorists or communists who hid behind their wives and children until we got bored and left, or do you support the many we beat in open conflict? Because that’s the 2 options.
@@tictac-bl4so A whistleblower who helped expose allegations of Australian war crimes in Afghanistan has been sentenced to five years and eight months in jail.
In this video, Inchon is spelled without an "e". I'm used to it being spelled "Incheon". Both the airport and city. Their own branding. Is both correct, since it's just a western translation of the original Korean, anyway?
I can't speak or read a word of Korean. But as far as I know, some transliterations like ㅓ"eo" and ㅡ"eu" are represented by individual symbols in its original and they are distinct from ㅔ"e", ㅗ"o" and ㅜ"u". Keep in mind that in Hangul, Korean writing system, symbols are put together in a block instead of being written in a single direction. It's quite modular in my opinion. I recommend you to check Korean writing system for more info.
Inchon is a name from Chinese characters. In the periods of the third king of Jeoson dynasty (1400-), the city got its name in a naming reform which required small town's name either included mountain or river. Chon or cheon is pronunciation of corresponding Chinese character 川 (sounds like chuan means river) and In is another Chinese character 仁 means benevolence.
Both North and South Korea lost, they lost a large number of people and did not achieve reunification. The United States lost, it did not achieve its strategic goals, was forced to negotiate with China, and its ground forces never dared to cross the 17th parallel north in the Vietnam War. The Soviet Union won, blocking the United States at a relatively low cost. China won, China achieved its strategic goals, preventing the United States from approaching the Chinese border, and at the same time gained the support of the Soviet Union in industrialization. Japan is the biggest winner. With the support of the United States, it quickly got rid of the impact of its defeat in World War II, its economy took off, and it has not apologized for its crimes in World War II to this day.
@@Victory1981 1. From a legal perspective, North and South Korea are still in a state of civil war. 2. South Korea does not have independent sovereignty, and the Wartime Operational Control is still owned by the United States. 3. South Korea's GDP ranks 14th, which is 1/4 of Japan's and ranks behind Mexico.
Military equipment: The United States has invested $85 billion. Carrier battle group: 5 Tanks: 800 Fighters: 1,300 Transport vehicles: 1,300 China has invested $6 billion. Transport vehicles: 200
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The same winners of every war; The Worms!
Have you ever seen a picture of the Korean peninsula from space a night: the south is lit top to bottom almost solid...the north is nearly totally dark with a few white spots. How can you say there is a doubt who won or lost the war. Would you really rather live in N. Korea than S. Korea!
@@rickden8362 The US carpet bombed the North such that no building over two stories high was left standing. The government in the South was merely a military puppet dictatorship of Washington. Like other capitalist miracles in Asia it has a population that is not reproducing itself.
Who won? I like how the video didn’t answer this. To me, Korea is a wasteful stupid war that gave no wholesome benefit.
1)the civilians death rate is horrendous and unexplored ordinances I believe still continue.
2)both sides supported dictators who killed their own people, either cooperated in wholesale massacres, or at the very least gave the book.
3)Soith Korea may be remembered as a positive democracy, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE until the 80s; Rhee’s tenure was an authoritarian nightmare. The North Koreans technically came on top economically but that eventually gave way to a rising tide of North Korean racism nationalism and Kim’s authoritarian mindset pulling the country more into the evil it is todays
4)the U.S. army, as Thomas ricks journalist on military history, and as the video pointed out were wholly unprepared for the war and its internal command structure was fractured and formed times eschewed by egos. Rick’s pointed out the problems of commanders lying to their superiors, the U.S.’s rotating policy on sending troops to replace veterans, a failure to understand the battlefield, to adapt quickly, and a limited political will to enter a war were lessons were ignored.
5)China became more paranoid because of the costs of the war and it may have encouraged Mao to be harsher. It’s worth noting that while China did become closer to both Vietnam and North Korea, those friendships were dubious. Vietnam and China would duke it out the 70s (among their other diplomatic disagreements), and North Korea has rarely been an economic powerhouse that could benefit China. It’s now could be considered to be a ticking bomb that China dosnt want to touch. It has nuclear weapons and its collapse means that millions of refugees could come across Chinese border.
6)the US became more paranoid as Joe McCarthy rose up to power.
7)despite being integrated, U.S. nonwhite troops came home to horrific racism.
@@bradhorowitz2765 How can you look at the 2 Koreas today and conclude the south didn't win in the end.
Whatever you do...
Don't say it will be over by Christmas.
It never is.
If I had a nickel…
People really start to believe their own bs
The USA invaded Iraq without any strategy or plan for victory because George Bush really believed everything would just work out
😅
They never said which Christmas...
@@MarvelousSeven fair enough
I'm pretty sure the winner is Korea and the one who lost is Korea.
That is probably the best summary I have ever heard. You could put it on a seal, or a memorial.
a draw
@@Archimedeeez the war is not over they have armistice but to peace treaty
Facts
@@darkbut8864: only because Dr. Rhee was too cowardly a President to secure peace for his country.
The real winner was Japan, who then had a 30+ year long economic boom after the Korean War.
they always win when it comes to Korea so its no surprise
ばれたか
Not really no one won much of anything. Korea as a whole lost the most and the north lost even more with 1/3 of the population being killed. All this tragedy could be partially justified if the country ended up united but it remains divided. Japan supposed benefit is more a Pyrrhic victory of sorts since japan geopolitical situation remained the same to this day meaning under occupation. Economic boom changed nothing when it comes to what matters. Also japan was helped by not having to spend in defense and having a sure marked (US). When japan economic success started to cause some small problems for US they demanded that Japan cut off their own legs (currency valuation, targeting technological companies) and japan had no other option since it is under occupation. So GDP changes nothing when t comes to sovereignty.
没错，小日本通过朝鲜战争可是赚了不少钱，这笔资金促进了他们经济的增长，另外使小日本更加发展的是在我们中国的投资建厂，也使得日本的经济快速增长。虽然后期因为美国的干预使得日本的经济发展停滞，可是小日本在海外的资产众多，因此还能应付。
@@kitnascimento0 the south lost their FREEDOM, you can replace people, you can never get FREEDOM back
bless joseon
"For over a century, foreign powers believed that China neither had the technology, nor the organization, nor the will, to fight a great power on equal terms. No longer."
- Professor Richard Baum, UCLA, summarizing the effects of the importance of the Korean War on Chinese history.
Although they failed to invade Vietnam even after the Vietnamese had just fought off the USA.
@@OliverDee-e5g They succeeded in their stated objective, which was to teach Vietnam a lesson about invading China's ally at the time, Cambodia. China went in and trashed the Vietnamese northern industrial sector and retreated to the border and fought border skirmishes from there. It was never a invasion of conquest or government toppling.
@@FrodoTbag If that's what helps you sleep at night.
@@FrodoTbag The Vietnamese did not withdraw from Cambodia, so what lesson ? They stayed for another decade.
@@FrodoTbag What lesson ? Backstabbing ? Vietnam stayed in Cambodia for ten more years.
As a first gen Chinese immigrant living in the west, I really appreciate the strive for unbiasedness in this video. A very personal one to me too as grandpa fought with the 38th army of the people's volunteer army. He survived the war with a bullet blocked by his water canteen, went on to serve as a tank regiment commander in the PLA till retirement. One of my favourite childhood memories was going through the handbooks he had brought from the army with identifications for different tank types and tactics for tank combat.
在外面别给老爷子丢人
My grandpa was in 40th army.
啥事兒能比幫助侵略者殺人放火更丟人? 北韓的人民應該感謝中共幫他們過上今天飢寒交迫毫無人身自由的"幸福"生活!@@liliu1518
我给老爷子敬礼了，老英雄。和二楼一样，楼主老兄弟，在哪都是华人，你是英雄之后，别给老爷子丢脸。
Why would you embarrass the old man? Why are these Chinese responses so weird
I was just trying to find Korean War documentaries when I saw this uploaded 11 mins ago. Great video
They never talk about the Korean War because It was right after World War II.
You watch battle of yultong
It's still not fair enough. Your form clearly states that the US military suffered huge casualties of 173,000. The data is obviously false. In addition, the Ministry of Civil Affairs of China announced that military casualties were 371,000. Don’t you know how to use Google?
The real winner was China. People thought Mao's armies, poorly equipped, would be easily handled and defeated. Instead, they crossed Yalu river and pushed the American soldiers all the way to Pusan. American carriers were able to intercept the Chinese armies in the middle and build a counter-attack force near the shores. Calling it a tie is fair but China's capabilities to fight the American forces showed the USA and its allies that they could no longer rule the world and Chiang Kai-sheik in Taiwan could no longer get US participation to fulfill his dream in recovering the Chinese mainland !
I would not say the same thing for the low level Chinese soldiers who are fortunate to come back with missing limbs. There were lots and not given benefits I presumed. I mean I like Taiwan popcorn chicken than kung pao chicken every day.
@@Vicente-en2zx中国人民对朝鲜战争的定义是立国之战；没有这场战争，中国会在后来的遇到更多的战争。牺牲在朝鲜的18万中国军人是英雄；因为有他们的牺牲，现在的中国人就不需要与美军作战。
@@夏本太郎 It seems the Chinese leadership did not fully get the memo during the Sino Vietnam War even after the US attempt. Why did 中華抗日救國先鋒隊 decide to do that is beyond me. I thought they were communists brothers? You do not see that with US and Australia or Ireland in history. Even with UK, relations became better. I also would like to see more Chinese interviews of the Korean War especially pilots but that is not available due to your government not allowing sites such as youtube or google or even wikipedia so historical sources are better located in Western Countries due to better transparency and easy language english access.
For clarification, the Chinese leadership wanted the Chinese people to fight their Asian relatives, Vietnam.
The real winner was the American military industry complex, this was just a dry run for Vietnam, there they milked the cow...
General Mathew Ridgeway who replaced Mac Arthur said: "Korean war is the first major war the US failed to dictate the terms and conditions on how the war ended"
Yeah, they didnt dictate the terms. But they didnt in the War of 1812 either. Yet, I feel confident in saying that we won both of those wars. We SHOULD have acted with more confidence and prestige. We allowed Communists to waste time over seating at the negotiation table while also fighting to avoid a larger conflict. This is the strategy that the International banks and the Federal Reserve banks favored at this point. They wanted limited wars of incremental escalation to stretch out their length. We stopped fighting for unconditional surrender. I say, if you are not willing to win absolutely, then dont go fight. But, once again, this is not what the banks that finance these things wanted at that point. Too much destruction damages economies and inhibits a nations ability to repay the loans. As so eloquently stated by Smedley Butler(the most militarily decorated American soldier ever, at least at the time of his retirement) said, “WAR IS A RACKET”
@@chargree You did not win the War of 1812.
The second time is on the Vietnam war
@@tkw3864 The third time is on the Afganastain war
@@chargree the US didn't win in the war of 1812, they returned to the status quo after the treaty of Ghent. there was no advantage they gained and they didn't end up taking Canada.
I'm a US expat living in Colombia and people are aware of Colombia's participation in the Korean War. It's not the "forgotten war" as it's called elsewhere.
Right amidst La Violencia.
Sadley in the USA it is the forgotten war.
Not to many Americans left to tell their story.
For years it was always about Vietnam.
I knew many veterans who fought in nam and Korea.
They all said nam didn't even compair to their fight in Korea.
They said their was no comparison and I already thought that from my research.
It’s only forgotten in the US, all other major participants clearly remember it
I had no idea Colombia participated in the Korean War. Thank you for telling me and nothing but love for our Colombian friends.
@@DY-fy2jh lmao it's not forgotten they teach the Korean war in American schools
My father served as a British soldier in The Korean War. When I did some time with the army He then decided to tell me more about his experiences, which were most harrowing. I thank you a lot for this Excellent video about this Korean War,
忠告欧洲人不要和一支有信仰的亚洲军队进行陆地战争
It's still not fair enough. Your form clearly states that the US military suffered huge casualties of 173,000. The data is obviously false. In addition, the Ministry of Civil Affairs of China announced that military casualties were 371,000. Don’t you know how to use Google?
why the f u western always want to make conflict on the east land
@user-pfsej8bzkl 必须是hands up
@user-pfsej8bzkl 중국군은 그때 살러달라고 빌었다던데? ㅋㅋ
Man, Real Time History has to be one of the best history channels for conveying detailed information in a short format regarding the history of world conflict.
Jesse's narration is clear, concise and well delivered.
Always excited for notifications of new episodes... if I get them.
I'm always waiting for the smartass comment at the end. I am never disappointed. I love this channel so much.
@@HieronymousCheese💯
Thanks!
Easily the best military history channel on TH-cam, as far as I'm concerned.
@@HieronymousCheese
Me too.👍
My Grandfather fought in Korea as a supply truck driver, he talked about a British officer who offered him some tea which he accepted, shortly after a North Korean mortar attacked the base and a round landed where he would have been standing had he not accepted, crazy to think he could have been the 24th NZEF death
"Saved by a cup of tea" should have given him British honorary citizenship ! X)
I bet he never again had a day without tea.
if he stayed at home he would have survived everything, war kills people.
ps now think of how many more people would have lived if your grandfather didnt murder them
@@ohhi5237 Well he didn't murder them, he served his country like any other soldier, but if you wanna think about it then how many people have your ancestors murdered hm.
My Dad fought in the Korean War. He fought at PorkChop Hill carrying his B.A.R. . He’s gone now , but his stories of that war haunt me to this very day.
My grandfather also carried a BAR in the 19th regiment of the 24th infantry division. Used to say you could hit a coke bottle at 700 yards with it
Thank you for the video ! As a south korean, My grandfather was forcibly conscripted by the Imperial Japanese Army and assigned to the 50th Regiment of the Kwantung Army in Manchuria. In 1944, he was ordered to move to Tinian Island near Saipan to defend against the US Marine Corps landing on the island. However, when the situation for the Japanese army became unfavorable, he was ordered not to be taken as a prisoner, but to commit suicide by jumping off a cliff as a soldier of the Japanese Imperial Army. He was able to survive by secretly leading Koreans who had been forcibly conscripted like him to surrender to the U.S. Marines and telling them in Japanese that they were Koreans and had been forcibly conscripted by the Japanese Empire. After World War II ended, he returned to Korea and joined the South Korean Army. Later, during the Korean War, he fought against North Korean and Chinese forces. After the Korean War armistice, he was sent as a military advisor to Vietnam in the 1970s.
thanks for sharing his story
Wow, that’s quite a ride
Thats an impressive journey from war to war
Cool story, I served in South Korea once at K2 AirBase (Daegu Air Base) and a second time at K55 (Osan Air Base). Love Korean food and culture!
Freaking soldier for sure man. 🇺🇸🇰🇷
Over 30,000 Americans lost their lives in Korea and asked for nothing in return but a patch of land to bury their dead. As a result of their sacrifice, there are millions of people who live in relative freedom today instead of the worst kind of totalitarianism in the world. All you need to do to confirm this claim is to look at a satellite image of the peninsula at night. This is a major victory for the cause of liberty and the idea that it can be considered anything else is absurd.
And confort. Do not forget. One of the richest countries on the planet. Thanks to USA.WEST GERMANY BRITAIN AND ARROGANT.
Arragant France: Marshall plan.
@@macgordonaberese-ako4587 sure, here's the gratuitous hatred of the French XD
You're welcome mate ! Who else would you hate if we weren't there ?
But without France we wouldn’t have been sucked into WW1 and 2, or Vietnam. Or the Napoleonic wars for that matter and all the Medieval wars we had against them. So we have to thank them for helping to start all the biggest wars to begin with.
...and the Colonial wars.
Oh dear. Never use British understatement to an American when talking about important issues.
Things could go a tad awry! lol
Just a smidgin, quite so...
Kim Il Sung is carrying out a cunning plan sir!
I hate the American habit of exaggeration & hyperbole
Wild braggadocio is almost standard in American business today
“Malay emergency”
“The Troubles”
@@randbarrett8706 There is that 'shouty-happy' presentation style they have also. Teeth-grindingly awful
My oldest uncle signed up at 17. Canadian. He came home from basic and stood godfather for my mom who is the youngest. He sewed lead weights into his pants because he didn't weigh enough. Wound up serving 25 years. He in his 90's now
"We are not retreating, we are merely advancing in another direction."I'm gonna use that repeatedly whenever people doubt my work.
My grandpa served in the Navy during the war, i made sure to sit and listen to the stories! Glad this part of history is gaining traction, more should know the sacrifices made.
my dad was on a carrier in this escapade.
Sacrifices made entirely in vain
I am grateful to your grandfather who came to Korea and sacrificed himself to protect freedom.
North Korean sacrifices, let's not forget the Korea genocide made by US
China prove that despite the US having overwhelming air, naval, economic and overall fire power, they were able to fight them to a standstill using mainly volunteers. Yes they did lost way more troops than the US did but at no point were they on the verge of collapse. And that in itself is extremely impressive.
Only because the US didn't deploy more troops lmao when the other country has almost 250,000 more troops LMAO
@@danielthompson3326 China came out as the victor of that war. The fact that China at the time which was jus a simple third world country was able to go toe to toe with a superpower and force them to consider the use of nuclear weapons is stunning lmao. Mind U, they didn't had tanks or planes or war ships or overwhelm artillery like the US. All they had was a lot of lightly equipped, poorly trained but highly motivated infantry men. And they force the US military to withdraw from the Yalu River all the way back to 38 parallel. The largest withdrawal in US military history was at the hands of the Chinese in the Korean war. I guess they don't teach that in U all schools. And mind U, it wasn't like the US was their fighting the Chinese with a few thousand men. It is estimated that the US had at its peak close to 400,000 troops. That amount along with overwhelming air power, naval power and artillery and tanks should have crushed the Chinese who were only infantry. But they failed to do so and instead was forced into a stalemate by an inferior but highly motivated military. If the Chinese had half the tanks and planes the US had, they would have pushed the US completely out of Korea and would have won the war hands down!
@@azharuddinzahaur7683 I am not sure i would call this a chinese victory. They didn't achieve any objective other than return to a stalemate. The surprise they had only worked in the initial months of the war. The battle of chosin was an embarrassment for the PLA. That the UN retreated had to do with flexibility the forces were not destroyed and were able to be used again. The losses china took was ridiculous . And they were not poorly trained... these were veterans of the civil war.
@@Blitz45 The fact that China went up against a nuclear superpower who had control over the sea and sky plus overwhelming artillery and tanks and who was supported by other countries as well and yet were able to force them to retreat from the Yalu River back to the original border in itself a victory. Even if their surprise only worked for the initial part of the war, at no point were the Chinese on the verge of collapse. Mind U the Chinese had logistics problem, issues with their weapons as well lack of appropriate clothing to help them with the winter and yet they were not routed.
Now let's say the tables were turned lol. Do U think US would have survived?
@@azharuddinzahaur7683 honestly its hard to debate with a chinese bot. If the war had continued and the UN took it more seriously there would have been a western victory. economically china couldn't hang on much longer. I will never see this as a chinese victory because to me it was an defensive war for south korea that ended in a stalemate from defeat. looking at where north korea is now and south korea it is obvious who the real winner is here. And it is not china.
My grandfather was in Korea from 1951 to 1953. He would always tell me what he saw, I mean everything . This video very informative and well done. Including facts as my grandfather told me.
저의 조국의 평화를 위해 헌신하신 할아버님께 감사드립니다. 고맙습니다!
Without the Korean war I wouldn't be Alive right now which is crazy to think about... My mom and her twin sister were 2 at the time and got on a war plane full of other kids and were flown to Arizona to be adopted. Her and her sister were adopted by an Air Force Captain and he raised them in Arizona with his wife. My moms been living in America her whole life and married my dad and had me... She just turned 70 and is so healthy and full of life.. I think about this all the time how wars shape our history more than we know.
Thank you for sharing this 🙏. I’m glad you’re here. Now go give a big hug to your momma.
Great story. I am happy your mom made it.
US General Mark W. Clark signed the Armistice and said: "I was the first American commander to put his signature to a paper ending a war when we did not win it."
19:06 “Gentleman, we are not retreating, we are merely advancing in a another direction.”
Oh boy 😂
Not taking side but this is so relevant t with ukraine and nafo boys lol😂
Fun fact: Michael Caine fought in the Korean War in the British Army
He's quoted in the video 🙂
@@MIRobin22 yeah, I had made this comment before getting to that part, my bad 🫠
@@indianajones4321 it's okay.
You guys saw that too eh? 😂 sharp eyes.
Now, not that many people know that.....
1. North Korea did not consult with China in advance before the attack, otherwise China would not have reacted so slowly and urgently mobilized troops from the south to the north in October. Some troops entered North Korea wearing summer uniforms. 2. Kim Il-sung's guerrillas in China belonged to one of the armed forces under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party. 3. Kim Il-sung was supported by the Soviet Union and purged all Chinese factions after the war because they opposed personality cult. 4. China planned to use 10 divisions in the Battle of Chosin Reservoir, but because it snowed in North Korea in October, the southern troops from China were still wearing summer uniforms and were not fully prepared. Only 3 divisions arrived at the battlefield and half of their personnel were reduced. 5. This war was the first and possibly the last time the United Nations authorized the use of force to intervene in a civil war. All subsequent United Nations forces were neutral observers.6. American bombers indiscriminately bombed Dandong on August 27, 1950, causing civilian casualties.7. There are many collaborators with the Japanese in World War II in the South Korean government and army who have not been liquidated. Many officers who control the army have served in the Japanese army. The army training is the same as the Japanese army. Even if the training method of the US army was adopted later, the South Korean army still acts in the same way as the old Japanese army. The treatment is poor and the morale is maintained by cruelty and barbarity. The South Korean army joined the Vietnam War and showed the same cruelty as the Japanese.8. The story about Chinese prisoners of war not wanting to return to China is a complete lie. Many were treated harshly in the prisoner-of-war camps. The U.S. military used tanks and flamethrowers to suppress the rebellious prisoners in the prisoner-of-war camps. The U.S. has video footage of this. Therefore, the number of prisoners of war who died may be as high as 10,000.
NO.8, the footage 39:39 in this vedio show the facts: the special agency from Taiwan were involved. They divided and forced the POW not returned, they make tattoo on their bodies such as down with CCP MAO ZEDONG etc. To the POW refused to cooperate, they cut their lambs and throw them to.the sea. All these brutal documents I watched from a Taiwanese TV documentary, also in TH-cam some years ago.
I agree with most of what you've written, except that "Chinese prisoners of war not wanting to return to China is a complete lie". I've met some of those former POWs in Taiwan! I believe there are about 30,000 of such POWs who went to Taiwan. There are several reasons why they chose to do so: (1) some of the PVA units were former defeated KMT troops who had surrendered to the PLA and were then sent to Korea, (2) there was coercion by pro-KMT elements in the POW camps, including branding anti-communist slogans on their arms. I also saw an interesting TV documentary where several of these former POWs now in their 80s were interviewed; one said he was very content being in Taiwan but another said he still doesn't feel at home in Taiwan and misses his homeland in China.
@@yjh9152 Doesn't this just prove that some of them have been deceived?
But China didn't enter the war until months after the North Korean offensive. Your comment doesn't make any sense.
Someone loves to believe communist tales
Japan and Taiwan (ROC)
Japan : Thanks to the military demands, they revived their factories
Taiwan (ROC) : Because China sent their forces to Korea, China (PRC) stopped their plan to attack Taiwan
Crucially, the Beijing expended their most experienced soldiers in Korea, so by the time the shooting stopped there, the PLA were left largely with conscripts who lack the experience of sustainably fighting on an offensive.
@doujinflip And yet it still ended in a stalemate
The PLA lost a lot foot soldiers in the Korean War but it also gained many categories of soldiers it previously was short of, like MiG pilots, tank crews, artillery officers. This was the result of gaining greater access to a wide range of Soviet weaponry as a condition of Chinese entry into the Korean War on Stalin's behalf. On the whole, the PLA in fact grew stronger as the Korean War went on, particularly in its airforce. However, the death of Stalin in 1953 changed everything and helped to bring a quick end of Chinese participation of the Korean War.
And PR China: They created a buffer zone by pushing the US back
With 7th fleet in Taiwan straight, there wasn't a chance for China to unify Taiwan even if it hadn't participated in Korean war.
I'm no fan of MacArthur, but the landings at Inchon were a stroke of genius.
He's like the American Rommel. In the end, they left a mess. Overrated
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the document released by Russia last 90s. Mao Zedong worned North Korea that American will landing at Inchon.
那还得金将军配合，金将军军事才能太低。政治手腕倒是可以。
@@freefall9832 rommel was actually smart unlike stupid mac
My grandfather and his two younger brothers were both members of the Chinese People's Volunteers. The second grandfather was blinded by the bombing, the third grandfather disappeared, and my grandfather was unscathed.
It can be seen from the Korean War that the US military, whose weapons and equipment are far superior to China's, can only draw a tie with China, not to mention that China's weapons and equipment are now second only to the United States.
In terms of fighting will, China has never been afraid of any country. Therefore, we ask the United States and its allies not to interfere in China's internal affairs and just take care of themselves.
America needs to keep it's nose in line. The communists won
We could ask the Chinese to stop doing so many toxic things like illegally immigrating to the USA or stop manufacturing and sending fentanyl for example but that would be naive.
@@Lex_Lugar Fun fact: If you talk to most of the Chinese immigrants, they would all claim that they're "fugitives" and "victims" of the Chinese gov. and are not welcomed by people back in China, whilst strongly believing in the American dream.
@Lex_Lugar For ur information, the whole merika was built on illegal immigrants frm Europe,so ur Ppl are the least qualified to accuse anyone of ILLEGAL immigrants period.
@@Lex_Lugartoxic things? It’s called participating in the free market. Americans are welcome to stop consuming drugs but that would be naive i guess
也就是这场战争之后 中国跟美国说“你打越南🇻🇳我不管 但是如果你敢约过北纬17°线 中国将会介入越南”然后美国打越南就没过17°线
Same goes with china and taiwan
然后中越战争共产党被越南人打的要求保密伤亡数字
Taiwan has been off limits to china for how long? They won’t touch it because they best china can do is build stuff that they compare to 30 year old American tech. Face it china like Russia is trash.
@@Arthur_Grande😂when China barely had war ships
@@DescendantofYellowEmperor still goes the same today as they won't risk sanctions
Haha...."we are not retreating, we are merely advancing in another direction" :D
-North Koreans and South Koreans
Both my brother and brother-in-law participated in the Korean War. Personally, I served in the US Army and was stationed there in two separate periods: 1962-63 and 1963-64. During both tours, I was stationed just a few miles south of the DMZ at Camp Hovey and Camp Casey. Recently, I went online to look at current images of those areas, and each time I was astonished by the stark differences. While I was there, I had the opportunity to travel to Seoul and Pusan, and the progress and advancements I witnessed throughout Korea were equally remarkable and comparable to the changes that took place in the areas where I was stationed. Although I was young and found the whole experience interesting, I have no desire to revisit Korea at this point in my life.
Thank you for your service!!
It is unnecessary for Korean war, because the war was a civil war among the Korean, UN and USA made a mistake to interfere other country internal affair.
US fought many wars, most are lost , soldiers' life are wasted, for example, Vietnam war, Korea war, Iraq war and Afghanistan war. did US government ever consider the objective of war ？ what is the final goal or achievement before starting a war. " it is easy to start a war, but very hard to end a war" ---- this is only lesson that US government shall learn.
My grandpa was in the Korean War. He died before I was born and never talked about it with my mom but told her that he was a messenger. Thanks for the documentary, it helped understand what he was going through.
Not fair, still biased.
For example, the prisoners from China and North Korean were captured and US refused to realease all of them. What happened to them after?
Some of them were sent to Taiwan and as a way of propaganda, they were branded or scarred with anti-communist slogans. Many were later sent back to China in a later icebreak between China and Taiwan.
Lihua is also a terrible made-up name. This is not like calling a German Hans or Max. This is like "I have a black friend, whose name is Obama."
Also, geopolitics and early communications between heads of states should've been mentioned , especiallyon how and why US gov and Chinese Gov wanted to intervene. Eg. Mao had reluctance to have the war started at the first place, Kim Il Sung neglected his advice and started that after his visit to Starlin.
There are more to talk about, like why they ended up with a truce and stuff, how Ridgeway defense technique took effect and PLA found difficulty in pushing forward
是的，关于战俘，美国人故意使坏，在它们身上刺青反共言论。还屠杀过集中营战俘（或者说镇压监狱暴动）。
고맙습니다. UN군 당신들이 있기에, 오늘날에 한국이 있습니다.
연합군에 희생을 우린 결코 잊지 않을겁니다.
한국을 도와준 모든 나라분들께 정말 항상 감사합니다.
所以，韩国是宇宙第一强国，把国家建立在美国军事基地上的国家，不得不服。历史以剽窃中国为荣，不得不服。
My great grandfather was an engineer/artillery man in the Korean War. Dude had some crazy stories
Love these documentaries. Very fun to watch and informative.
Informative yes , but fun ?
My uncle saw so many men fall in Vietnam, he was an engineer and a jeep driver, and one of his squad mates wrote a book about their defensive posture in Khe Sahn. He split his tongue in half and suffered severe brain damage and shrapnel injuries. VA took care of him, but Ken says he blames it all on Korea. He never would have been there had the US never bothered with the eastern communist block affairs. They would have fallen on their own like the USSR. But French and American intervention caused so many unnecessary deaths. RIP to all the young men who never came home.
Fun story: after the success of Operation Chromite landing and the continuous approaching of the frontline to the Chinese border, the Chinese government was afraid the war would eventually in China or bring threats to the Chinese border in the future where most Chinese industrial areas were nearby (Dongbei of China). Mao decided to help North Korea, but due to the lack of supply and modernization, Mao asked Stalin to provide mass support and was rejected because Stalin believed the Chinese would eventually intervene in the war without help, Stalin wanted a weakened communist friend/neighbor and to weaken Mao's prestige within the communism's world.
Stalin didn't want to see an Asian Tito.
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one reason that make me think China is the real winner is that mao agreed on making nuclear bomb after usa threats of using the bomb( mao didn't like nuclear weapons )
Let’s goooo going to finish this video after work
My boss (Ron Broward)and co owner of sudwerk brewery was in the marines and fought in the Korean War. Thank you Ron and may you rest in peace🙏🏼🇺🇸
Thank for wat?the Koreans are split into two parts and may never be united again all thanks to merika and Russia
Great video. Well done!
My great grandfather fought in the Korean War (U.S) sadly I didn't get a chance to talk to him about his service since he passed a few years ago.
Was very excited to see a new video. Thanks!
My uncle was part of the Belgian contingent in the Imjin river attack where he got wounded and won a Silver Star there. Cpl Henry Wolfs.
Canadian living in Korea here. Didn't know Belgium had a contingent, my thanks to him for his service. South Korea could not have prospered into the country it is today without these brave servicemen and women's help
The best video on this topic in the entirety of TH-cam, bravo!
China won. They showed even without tanks, artilleries and planes they drove away their enemies. Mac arthur tried to conquered china by crossing the Yalu River. And he withdrew almost at the end of sokor. And nokor continued to become a buffer state.
They didn’t lose, but they definitely did not win.
@Victory1981 Of cos the Chinese won. They successfully stop Us military bases being set up at their borders and got a huge buffer state to secure their geopolitical safety. China also gained a whole set of industrial transfer and assistance frm Soviet union as reward for cutting off Us military expansion on the whole Korean peninsula
He requested nukes and he got fired 😁😁😁😁
@@Victory1981 no Us military base in nokor. And nokor remains as a buffer state. Wch is important in geopolitics. China won
@@laurenceroberttampushalpin183 NO sir
Wish I had the opportunity to talk to my grandfather about his experience and view on the world. Served in Korea and Vietnam but suffered health effects from his exposure to agent orange. He passed away when I was four.
Interesting take on the Korean War. Usually this is presented in a very pro-america/UN forces standing against waves of Chinese.
With what little time you had, it felt a little more even handed.
Thanks.
Absolutely. Really enjoy your content!
I don't know who called the Korean War "the forgotten war," but they were dead wrong.
I have read that U.S. Army personnel that served in both the Korean and Vietnam Wars consistently said that the Korean War was a much intenser, harder war than Vietnam. I can well believe it.
In the West, those personnel of the U.S. armed forces that served in the Korean War certainly have _not_ forgotten this exceedingly bloody mid-20th-century war.
It’s called the ‘forgotten war’ because it received far less public attention and because congress never formerly declared war. Has nothing to do with how intense the war is. Not only that, but people mistakenly believe it ended.
You guy do a great job - this is an awesome documentary. Thank you so much!
These deep dives into historiographical questions are my favorite things you guys do! Please keep creating content like this!
Thanks!
My grandfather who was german american was part of the US Navy in the Korean War. This is one war not mentioned very much. Thanks for the video!
The only victor was Taiwan. Communist China had already started attacking the outlying islands of Taiwan in 1949 but the invasion stalled because it needed Soviet material help to go further and Stalin was receptive of the idea. However, the Korean War put the invasion of Taiwan on hold as Soviet and Chinese resources flowed into Korea instead. Then Stalin died in 1953 and the Korean War ended. The US saw the Korean War as a Communist plot to take over Asia and made the commitment to defend Taiwan by signing a Mutual Defense Treaty with the Chinese Nationalists in Taiwan in 1954. So Taiwan was in effect saved by the Korean War and became the only victor.
South Korea was also a victor since their only true goal was the preservation of the South Korean state. While it would’ve been nice to fully unify, ultimately the only real losers were the North Koreans as their initial aim was to forcibly unify Korea under the Communist regime. Otherwise, the US and South Korea got what they wanted (preservation of South Korea) and so did China (preservation of North Korea).
@@gameragodzilla South Korea paid a terrible price for the survival as a country with nearly a million South Koreans killed and many times more injured. The capital Seoul was battleground for multiple times and severely damaged in the fighting.
@@tvgerbil1984 Sure, but they survived North Korean aggression.
Vietnam paid a heavy price too with millions of Vietnamese killed but they're free@@tvgerbil1984
@@gameragodzilla And I'm betting their children and grandchildren are very glad they did.
Sadly my father being of Chinese decent was drafted into this war. Looking at his platoon photo, he was the only Asian in that platoon. He never talked about that time period to us kids. I only heard him one time speak of his time there. On the front line he was faced with his own country man charging at him while he held his carbine. He said he had to shoot over their heads. I don’t think he wanted to kill anybody. According to my uncle who was ten years younger. When Dad returned “home”, he was a stranger. The family was so relieved and joyous upon his return but he didn’t want anything to do with anybody. He would spend days and nights out doing whatever. Eventually he came to his senses I guess. Got a job, got married and got his part of the American dream eventually owning many rental apartment complexes. There was nothing the man feared. All his fears were left somewhere on the battle fields of Korea. He’s been gone from us for 24 years now. My father the hero but I will never know his pain. In war…..nobody wins and everybody loses in someway
没人想要杀人，除非是变态。
我才知道当年美军队伍中居然有华人，谢谢你的分享。
@@DecCat 1950年11月2日晚，吕超然和他所在的部队陷入了志愿军的包围圈，这支美军无法侦察到我军的位置，也找不到任何突围口，马上就要面临着全支队要被歼灭的境地，这时候吕超然心生一计，用自己的中国人的面容和从小学会的中国话来迷惑志愿军，他对着志愿军大喊：“我是中国人，别开枪！”当时抗美援朝战场上，我军的设备简陋，加上地形缘故，部队与部队之间常常处于失联状态，所以，此刻有人大喊自己是中国人，善良的志愿军相信了，并站起来查看，暴露了自己的位置。此时，吕超然却指挥所在连队向志愿军集中开火，以此获得了突围。
志愿军的那种冲锋，战场无情，他肯定打死过自己的同胞😢，装备悬殊太大，可悲又心痛😢，谢谢你的故事
China didn’t start the war. It entered after numerous warning against foreign troops bordering Yalu.
It paid a price but achieved its goal. It also did not leave any troops in the peninsula after the armistice was finalized.
Is winning a war means achieving its political goal? You tell me.
Well it wasn't their border to put a restriction on now was it
Although China did not start the war, North Korea started the war with political permission, human support, and material support from China and the Soviet Union. Opinions that defend China always omit this part.
@@7chq political support, perhaps. Permission? China has no troops in NK before the war and after the armistice!! Material? No Soviet tanks no going south. Don’t blame China.
@@7chq pls study history carefully before talk,how do you know North Korea got pessission from China? China is extremely poor that time, no one wish this war, and had to face it with urgency.
I visited Gwangju South Korea in 2019 and was surprised to talk to an old man in a bus who remembered Filipino soldiers in the Korean War and was grateful. South Korea and the Philippines are great friends.
Yes our filipinos army hero for korean war
.please their testimony..also fidel ramos are belong to them
Vietnamese too...
대단하시네요 여태까지 제가 본 어느 누구도 한국전쟁의 인도차이나 전쟁에 대한 말을 하지 않았습니다
가장 좋은건 균형잡힌 시각이네요
애매한 전쟁결과...
南朝鲜人没资格评论这场战争
@jianyang5789 shhh don't make me bring up the tiananmen square incident and get your internet shut off :)
@@jianyang5789침공당한 피해국의 국민이 말할 자격이 없는거 뭐냐? 니네 인민해방군은 그래서 파로호에서 물고기밥이 되었냐?
"US refused to come to the aid of the French at Điện Biên Phủ because the US is afraid of China intervention" That kinda said a lot.
I was pretty convinced by that, but the counter-argument, that China never invaded Taiwan, is equally strong.
More than anything else, that probably shows how no one really "won" the Korean war. Both sides didn't want to try again.
@@louisvaught2495 China have proved that they meant want they say and will do what they say China intervene in Korea war and Vietnam War and now China is saying sending the same warning to the USA to back off Taiwan or face war again. That is why the USA can only force Taiwan to spend as much money to buy US weapons so that at least the US military complex and economy can benefit from it. The difference the US is giving away billions to Ukraine but not with Taiwan, Taiwan have to pay for all the military equipment. It would seems the USA can only sell military equipment to Taiwan not clothing, shoes, furniture etc.
The French Imperialist were driven out of Vietnam and Algeria.
This would be similar to China trying to invade Mexico and fighting America on their door step.
@@louisvaught2495 China never invaded Taiwan because they didn't have the logistics to put 300k men in Taiwan. It's that simple.
As far as no one else wants to try again. Not true. The Americans have been goading China into a war. What history has taught us is that dying empires never win wars against rising ones.
The U.S. won the Korean War - it reached its strategic goal when the war ended: it pushed the enemy back and saved its ally state from being annexed and extinct, and restored the border to the state before it committed itself to the war; China also won the Korean War - it reached its strategic goal when the war ended: it pushed the enemy back and saved its ally state from being annexed and extinct, and restored the border to the state before it committed itself to the war. Both Korean states and their peoples lost the war - millions died as both sides achieved basically nothing.
Through the Korean War, I think China indeed exposed the American military as a paper tiger. Anglo-Saxons did dominate when their weapons are much more superior, but when there is little room for applying that superiority, they are mostly inferior fighters compared to the Chinese or the Japanese. Today, it’s arguable who is really technologically superior, but given both US and China are nuclear powers with hydrogen bombs, and neutron bombs as well, neither side really wants to engage with one another in a direct confrontation
Not really. China fought a war next door while the US had to travel across the largest ocean in the world just to get to the fight. Even having home field advantage, China couldn't break the coalition defense. Add in the US was not even wanting to get involved so there were major political setbacks for war support. It's extremely telling.
謝謝！
Thanks
The tiger face markings on the Patton tanks at 22:40 are gnarly
The best unbiased documentary of the Korean war I've ever seen.
Imagine what could've happened if the US had listened to the Chinese
Maybe the North and South Koreans will have peace since 1950
GREAT VIDEO! i love your content !Keep it up
About 10 years ago after a regional Asia Pacific meeting in Seoul our local hosts organised a trip for us to visit the DMZ. Our local hosts managed to get a local guide bus and packet lunches. Close to the border we noticed among the hills along the DMZ some were brown and some were green. Asked why our local guide nochantly mentioned the green hills belonged to the south Korean side while the brown hills were north Korea. When asked why he mentioned.. as there was a shortage of food...the north Koreans need to pluck grass for food that's why hills were bare on the north Korean side
你的理解大错特错，因为中国跟北朝鲜的部分边界区也是类似情况，朝鲜的气候和地理并不差，边界区域占整个国土面积的极小部分，朝鲜如此做的真正原因是，在适合越境逃跑的地区砍光所有高大树木，使得越境逃跑的人显而易见，无法躲藏。
也有受到制裁缺少染燃料的原因。
Americans called the Korean War "the Forgotten War." That conveyed a lot about who truly won the war. You don't call a war "a forgotten war" if you were the winner of the conflict.
That's because absolutely nothing changed for any American civilian whatsoever. It was a distant war fought for a motivation barely understood by the public. If kore fell or not, the average American did not care.
By that same logic British commonwealth group including Chinese who fought the Japanese are known as 14th infantry or also forgotten army. Then surely they must have lost because that division is forgotten? Illogical comment
What was each countries death count?
The war of 1812 is forgotten by both the British and the U.S.
I guess it was the green space men that won that war.
North Korea's goal was to conquer South Korea. South Korea's goal was to survive. It's pretty obvious on who won the Korean War.
Great vid. My grandfather was US Army, Radioman, G Co 21st regiment 24th Inf Div Korea 1952-53. He was drafted and earned a bronze star with 2 oak leaves. He died at the age of 90 in 2020. After I joined up and served, he shared all his stories. What a great generation RIP
a guilty generation
The biggest winner was Japan who saw US policy of deindustrialization reversed due to the need of a local supply base in future operations in Asia
Yep. US rebuilt Japanese industry system to support Korean War in a short time. That’s the engine boosts economic blooming from60-80s’.
True. In order to further Japanese goal, now Japan prods the U.S. to directly have a fight China
And later South Korea factories got a giant military demand for US military in Vietnam War
You make it sound like none of Japan's pre-war industrial based survived or something which allowed them to build the navy that they were able to build to go to war with. They certainly did get aid and help from the US, but they also became the nation they are today through their own hard work and perseverance and their drive to succeed.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ They were in the process of deconstructing their heavy industry under U.S. supervision with plans to focus on agriculture and light industry. Thankfully their heavy industry was allowed to rebuild due to need for war material. Yes, they were able to rebuild with their own hands and sweat but it was because they were allowed to.
This documentary is a lot more informative than the other ones.
Thanks!
Oh my, very detailed .. Great channel
Jesse & team, that was a brilliant documentary, but it did skip a couple of important battles. Not to mention that Australia was barely a footnote in this documentary along with New Zealand. I would suggest to everyone to read up on the Battle of Kapyong 22-27 April 1951. I know it's hard document everything here but you could have spread it out over 2 parts. People tend to forget that it was the first time that the UN had a unified command of troops from different countries. It's also the first forgotten war.
My uncle (a recent German immigrant) was drafted into the Marines and was at Chosin Reservoir.
This is another of those wars where the answer to 'who won? who lost?' is actually 'yes', isn't it? All got some of their strategic objectives and failed a significant amount of their strategic objectives.
Also 17:22 Peng Dehuai is worth a read. Poor guy was a brilliant general by all accounts, but ended up getting purged by Mao. He's been reinstated after death as a bit of a hero by the anti-maoist faction of the CCP though.
BOY,-I LOVE THESE "DOCUMENTARIES"-THEY ARE SO "ENLIGHTENING"-WITH NO "B/S-SUGAR-COATING"-top-stuff !!
This is terrific. Thank you. I once worked for the Feds, and grew up with the Irish Troubles. You are a fine historian. Stick Trinity by Leon Uris on next summer's beach-reading list.
Thank you very nice video
~1000+ British casualties doesn't seem much at first, but seeing them on the Armed Forces Memorial at the National Memorial Arboretum, for all post-1945 conflict, those names loom large over you. It is hugely humbling for so many reasons.
英国去发动战争，目的是什么？
Incredible as usual, thank you!
항상 고맙습니다
Great video!
.... that photo of Kim il Sung in 41:56 looks so much like his grandson I thought it was a current photo for a split moment ...
Its widely known kim jong un received plastic surgery to look more like kim il sung
本来中国并不想参战，毕竟新中国才建国3年多，穷得饭都吃不饱，但是美国轰炸机已经开始轰炸中朝边境的农田和工厂了，不得不参战，为此当时决策层内部还爆发了激烈的争吵，因为当时我们自己也认为不可能打赢，但是又不可能放弃唯一的工业基地（当时新中国唯一的重工业基地就在中朝边境的东北三省），推荐一部电视剧《功勋》第一部分讲的就是为什么志愿军的战斗意志强大，主角就是你们西方人最好奇的军队基层政治委员，而且由于导演很严谨，真实的展示了当时志愿军使用三三制步兵战术，当时的志愿军就是人类大规模步兵在战术纪律和战术配合上的巅峰了，现代特种兵小队那种小规模部队除外，包括现在的PLA也达不到了，三三制必须每个士兵都知道自己在什么时间该出现在哪里，该做什么，而且绝对不能畏战怕死，现代的PLA不可能达到那种被逼到绝境后的悍不畏死了
你错了，悍不畏死早已深深刻入中国军人骨子里，以前是，现在是，将来还是
1) The main winners are, ironically, the former Axis powers (Japan, Italy and (West)Germany), as they were being thoroughly integrated into the western economic and military alliances.
2) Another set of winners are both Chinas, Red (mainland) and National (Taiwan)... Red China got a buffer state, lots of propaganda, and was able to make technological leaps and was able, to some degree, emancipate itself from Moscow. National China on Taiwan became an integral part of Big Daddy America's anti-communist "bulwark" in East-Asia.
3) And also very important winners were, the Kim "Royal" Family of North Korea as well as South Korea's fascist dictator Syngman Rhee. They could rule their respective halfs of Korea with impunity under the umbrella of their big "protectors".
I like the guys using mine detector as Security Wand 9:38 😂
Great video!
It was an informative ,incredible, and wonderful historical coverage work shared by an amazing ( RTH) channel...thanks for sharing
First war fought to 'not lose' rather than to WIN!
Saddened to see so little mention of Australia's contribution. Her Air force squadron based in Japan (British Commonwealth Occupation Force since 1945) was the first UN force to join the US attacks. Her Infantry Battalion made up a third of the British Commonwealth Brigade and had an important victory at Kapyong after the heroic fight of the Gloucestershire's Battle (along with New Zealand artillery and the nearby Canadian defence). Her Navy's Frigates and an Aircraft Carrier made early and important contributions to the conflict.
War criminal aussies
Old faithful 3rd royal Australian regiment
@@niuchajianfa6222everyone does war crimes. But when you win it doesn’t count. I wonder, do you support the terrorists or communists who hid behind their wives and children until we got bored and left, or do you support the many we beat in open conflict? Because that’s the 2 options.
@@niuchajianfa6222what warcrimes ?
@@tictac-bl4so A whistleblower who helped expose allegations of Australian war crimes in Afghanistan has been sentenced to five years and eight months in jail.
My grandpa was in the Korean War .. the local town has his name on the memorial … he passed away in December of 2012
In this video, Inchon is spelled without an "e". I'm used to it being spelled "Incheon". Both the airport and city. Their own branding. Is both correct, since it's just a western translation of the original Korean, anyway?
I can't speak or read a word of Korean. But as far as I know, some transliterations like ㅓ"eo" and ㅡ"eu" are represented by individual symbols in its original and they are distinct from ㅔ"e", ㅗ"o" and ㅜ"u". Keep in mind that in Hangul, Korean writing system, symbols are put together in a block instead of being written in a single direction. It's quite modular in my opinion.
I recommend you to check Korean writing system for more info.
both work, but the Battle was referred to as Inchon landing back then.
I've always heard it spelled Inchon. I suppose it is a Korean city, so there could be something changed in translation??
It is indeed Incheon. The Inchon spelling is just the easiest what to phonetically spell it in English. Similar to the Chosin battle.
Inchon is a name from Chinese characters. In the periods of the third king of Jeoson dynasty (1400-), the city got its name in a naming reform which required small town's name either included mountain or river. Chon or cheon is pronunciation of corresponding Chinese character 川 (sounds like chuan means river) and In is another Chinese character 仁 means benevolence.
Both North and South Korea lost, they lost a large number of people and did not achieve reunification. The United States lost, it did not achieve its strategic goals, was forced to negotiate with China, and its ground forces never dared to cross the 17th parallel north in the Vietnam War. The Soviet Union won, blocking the United States at a relatively low cost. China won, China achieved its strategic goals, preventing the United States from approaching the Chinese border, and at the same time gained the support of the Soviet Union in industrialization. Japan is the biggest winner. With the support of the United States, it quickly got rid of the impact of its defeat in World War II, its economy took off, and it has not apologized for its crimes in World War II to this day.
This is among the top most intelligent comments here! Objective, with historical perspective.
Uh No!
You have issues
South Korea is independent and an economic tiger
@@Victory1981 1. From a legal perspective, North and South Korea are still in a state of civil war. 2. South Korea does not have independent sovereignty, and the Wartime Operational Control is still owned by the United States. 3. South Korea's GDP ranks 14th, which is 1/4 of Japan's and ranks behind Mexico.
At the time, everyone lost. Currently, South Korea is winning by far.
Military equipment:
The United States has invested $85 billion.
Carrier battle group: 5
Tanks: 800
Fighters: 1,300
Transport vehicles: 1,300
China has invested $6 billion. Transport vehicles: 200
The fact that people are so blindly in favor of war when its realities are so readily available is stunningly depressing.