Dan Harmon Story Circle | A Simplified Plot Structure

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ค. 2024
  • The time has come. We're talking about Dan Harmon's Story Circle, also known as Plot Embryo. This is a narrative structure similar to Save the Cat, designed (like Save the Cat) by a screenwriter. Dan Harmon has written for Community, Rick and Morty, and Harmonquest, among others, and this is the narrative structure he uses for everything.
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  • @CloudKitten
    @CloudKitten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A note on the crow:
    I still don't know how that error happened. I think I was supposed to make a joke or correction there in post production to point out that I discounted birds in scripting. But then the text overlay never made it in. Or my script said "animals" and I read it as mammals but edited the video using the script as my main guide...
    I have a bachelor's degree in biology and my undergraduate research study was constructing a site to track and display the taxonomy of local wildlife. And honestly, I'm not sure if that makes this odd error more embarrassing or less embarrassing. What do you think? It's more, isn't it?
    Everyone wants Twitter to add an edit feature but where is the demand for a Premier Pro level editing option in TH-cam??? (Definitely technically feasible /s)

  • @AriaBreath
    @AriaBreath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    You: A TH-camr.
    Need: Make a video about the Harmon circle.
    Go: Start writing and researching.
    Search: Read more than you think as it’s more interesting than you thought.
    Find: The underlying concept of symmetry.
    Take: Take the knowledge on board realising you will have to pay the price of changing the end of your video.
    Return: Make and upload the video
    Change: Read this in the comments and realise you have been on your own Harmon circle arc.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Wow @.@ the circle truly is everywhere. I loved seeing this laid out!

    • @AriaBreath
      @AriaBreath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cloud Kitten Chronicles, hehe, really enjoyed the video and subscribed to the channel.

  • @oliverpope4915
    @oliverpope4915 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    The clockwise transitions in this made me feel centrifugal force like never before

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Sorry about that. Not really anything I can do now though. On the plus side the circle transitions are only used in this video and none of my other ones

    • @oliverpope4915
      @oliverpope4915 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@CloudKitten haha no worries I really did enjoy what you had to say

    • @amnessie
      @amnessie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      haha same, I got dizzy 3 minutes in

    • @thisisthelaw.co_
      @thisisthelaw.co_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I got so dizzy. I had to look away and just listen to her voice lol

    • @brauliojorgealmeida
      @brauliojorgealmeida 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The transitions was so annoying that makes me only listen to the áudio. Worst idea ever

  • @LUcAsFrEiTaS911
    @LUcAsFrEiTaS911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I just realized what her background looks like... sooo so sick. Cool ass library

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you my good sir! It's a pain when I need to find a book and can't remember the spine color, but it certainly has its perks

  • @ohigetjokes
    @ohigetjokes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    This was the first time I actually properly understood the story circle. Thanks!

  • @kristine95660
    @kristine95660 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Liked this video just for the pretty rainbow books in the background 🥰

  • @brotherbuddha89
    @brotherbuddha89 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Simpsons clip with Dan Harmon getting paintballed by his TV Writing class and the clip of the two guys playing with Jenga blocks while one talks smack in song before his tower falls and he screams 😂🤣
    This is enlightening content, thank you. 👍🏽

  • @darcydiamond8645
    @darcydiamond8645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm sold, I write novellas, 40,00-60,000 words. So shortish. Thank you for the well-articulated deep dive into Dan Harmon's story circle. I like its simplicity and its symmetry. You nailed it. I use it often because I'm a planner. I divide my structure into 4 acts. Right? I use 4 story circles for continuity. It helps me fact check, Have I hit all the Blake Harmon beats, as well? I say yes & start writing. I'm grateful a novelist in my writing group suggested I review the authortubers dissection of various outlines. I found your Channel & this video. Love it. 😎

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh yeah, I bet this structure pairs great with novellas and I'm happy you have a method that works for you. If you ever get bored or have a story that needs something a bit different, check out my video on Kishotenketsu. It's a 4 beat east Asian based story structure that will feel super unique to Western audiences and is excellent for any story involving a mid-point twist.
      There are so many cool structures out there. I really need to get around to finding them all.

  • @rebbiejoanthony5362
    @rebbiejoanthony5362 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is the first I've heard of story circle. It seems like an even better, more satisfying version of the hero's journey.
    I've been dealing with writer's blog in my long-form wip novel for awhile, and while I let that simmer on the back burner, I've been toying an idea for a new story that would be told in comic form. I will definitely be using this circle to help organize the outline of the new story!

  • @viviansventures
    @viviansventures 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Your channel is really well presented and informative for something with so few subs, hope you can grow over the next year!

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you soooo much for this comment. I saved it to the folder I look at when I need to feel inspired lol. My videos take a ton of work but every comment like this makes it feel so much easier. (PS: I thought I replied to this but TH-cam claims I have not, so if this is a duplicate, I apologize lol )

    • @YouOpaOpa
      @YouOpaOpa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      THIS ^

  • @evelanpatton
    @evelanpatton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A lot of work put into this & very thoughtfully created. Thanks!

  • @TeaDrinker3000
    @TeaDrinker3000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is so visually pleasing

  • @gargoylestories
    @gargoylestories 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was really helpful and better than most of the other Story Circle reviews. Thank you!

  • @lemonblue6282
    @lemonblue6282 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. This is the best beginning overview of the Plot Circle I've found.

  • @Michael-ke6hx
    @Michael-ke6hx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just plotted a series arc for a TV show with the story circle. Of all the structuring methods, Harmon's is the one I just got off the bat. Still reading every book on the craft I can get my hands on, I'll frontload Save the Cat and watch that video of yours ASAP.
    Your channel's production value alone deserves more attention, BTW, please keep creating.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is so cool to hear because I thought this structure would work well for TV but have only written novels myself. So it's great to hear it's useful for TV from someone who actually writes it!
      And thank you so much for the kind comment. When the algorithm buries or ignores videos I've put countless hours of work into, it can be discouraging. But it's comments like this that keep me going ❤ thank you for that

  • @andyjohnstondirector
    @andyjohnstondirector ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great breakdown, thank you for creating this :)

  • @Jamalthecreative
    @Jamalthecreative 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Video was really helpful

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

    • @dennisinTurkey
      @dennisinTurkey 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. Well done. Helped me to see the flow ...

  • @1995yuda
    @1995yuda 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, this was a GREAT presentation !! Thank you !

  • @sushinskiy
    @sushinskiy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video!

  • @AcccendoFilms
    @AcccendoFilms 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Amazing quality

  • @adonis3726
    @adonis3726 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are so helpful. Thank you so much

  • @jordanhunt4788
    @jordanhunt4788 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the most useful video on the Harmon Story Circle I've seen. Thanks a lot!

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're very welcome! This is the nicest comment I've seen today so thank you a lot.

  • @silentimage5196
    @silentimage5196 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this video
    Cloud Kitten Chronicles, as a visual artist and often I find it both fascinating and inspirational how much overlap seems to exist between the various creative fields. The first thing I thought upon seeing this narrative structure is how similar it is to a colour wheel both visually and in it's function.

  • @anirpas
    @anirpas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for such an in-depth and well-explained video!

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're very welcome!

  • @danielkelley7548
    @danielkelley7548 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this Dan Harmon fellow.

  • @ComeDownToEarth
    @ComeDownToEarth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    QUALITY as always. Watching for the third time in a row, adding to playlists, taking notes.
    Also, thank you for mentioning Rachel Stephens. I wandered over, and her content is GREAT too

    • @ComeDownToEarth
      @ComeDownToEarth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus Rick & Morty bonus points for the win ALWAYS

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are so very welcome. It would have been wrong to cover the topic with no mention of Rick & Morty or Rachel Stephens

  • @allenfalls9172
    @allenfalls9172 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative, thank you so much for this helpful video.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are so welcome! And thank you so much for this uplifting comment

  • @deckrect
    @deckrect 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After trying to learn all of these I found a method that has been working very good for me. (These things are quite personal. Each people finds it's own way) I have been using Blake Snyder's Beat Sheet to structure the major events into the story, writing down on paper all I know and all the scenes I picture in my mind and then arranging it into the structure. Before writing the actual scenes, I apply a Story Circle on it to guide me how the scene will resolve.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for sharing! This is a really great method and is pretty similar to what got me through Aletheia. I started with the big scenes I had pictured and then arranging it on the structure helped me find where the blanks were and gave me ideas for how to fill it in. Notecards and the floor ftw (if you have cats using Trello or Campfire Write might be advisable, I lost so many hours to scattered cards lol)

    • @deckrect
      @deckrect 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Campfire is great! But Drawio can do the trick for those in need.

  • @tfp3163
    @tfp3163 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely love your videos’ intro every time I see it.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! We stopped using it due to high audience drop off but it hurts me every time I skip it

    • @tfp3163
      @tfp3163 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CloudKitten well I love your work! Thank y'all for everything you do!

  • @raakgu
    @raakgu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're awesome. Thanks

  • @MrScary-rz8od
    @MrScary-rz8od 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thanks allot :)

  • @jonahking
    @jonahking 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    super helpful and lovely use of visuals thanks

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're very welcome!

  • @simplyjayfilms
    @simplyjayfilms ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for breaking it down

  • @ChadBarnier
    @ChadBarnier 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and channel! Appreciate it :)

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much for the kind comment ❤ you are wonderful!

  • @ItsTheGhost
    @ItsTheGhost 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the Game Grumps clip in here of the jenga! Best channel!

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The power hours are always so funny.

  • @leytonjay
    @leytonjay ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a product designer, from a business point of view the three act structure helped me design a product which sits entirely in act two, but your video helped me improve with the user's emotional journey which is the entire story where I control steps 3 though 7. Great video, I will reference this in my victory presentation, thank you so much.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's awesome!!! Story is the best way to connect with people and I've heard of story circle being used in commercials, but I never would have thought to apply a structure to a product. That's brilliant! I'm so happy I was able to help and wish you the best of luck with your product, it seems to be in great hands.

  • @isaiahsavoie3332
    @isaiahsavoie3332 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is an incredible breakdown

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  ปีที่แล้ว

      And this is an incredible comment. Thank you!

  • @loridianniauthor7278
    @loridianniauthor7278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video!!! I call this the Plot Embryo which I originally found on Rachel Stephen's channel. I wrote one story using the Plot Embryo and it helped tremendously.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rachel Stephen is probably singlehandedly responsible for like 20% of all people using plot embryo lol It's beautiful

  • @InnerProp
    @InnerProp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the best explanation I've seen. I never realized the symmetry and the larger parts working with the smaller and smaller parts. I like your use of color to explain it. That was very helpful.
    I've "won" NaNoWriMo a few times and I've gotten some short stories published. I consider myself an outliner, but I've never found a plot structure that I was comfortable with.
    This makes the Story Circle easy enough to grok that I think I may try it to write some backstories for the worldbuilding I'm doing right now. I can take the characters through some cycles/rotations and the point where the main story starts will find them in a specific cycle on a specific beat. I think my reformed vampire, Vlad Bluufairee will benefit from this greatly.

  • @Jessica_Burrows
    @Jessica_Burrows 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this structure and I am trash for anything Dan Harmon creates, but, I agree, the Monomyth is king! 🙌🏻 Great video!! The symmetry is one of the finer features of this narrative structure and it is rarely talked about!

  • @vishumagar6848
    @vishumagar6848 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the intro is just awesome

  • @faxkellerman8610
    @faxkellerman8610 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Is there such thing as a villains journey? Like you don’t want him to change maybe becomes even more steadfast?

    • @gamefreakforlife
      @gamefreakforlife 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In some making of videos and interviews Dan Harmon describes making a circle for every character that is important or returning in the story line. He describes one of his writers during an episode of community with a lot of characters in a room covered wall to wall with story circles, like a serial killer's bedroom.

    • @faxkellerman8610
      @faxkellerman8610 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Moreheroes ok thanks I will try and find. I’m working on a short animated anthology of a random story every episode kinda of like tales from the cryptkeeper but a 1v1 (heroVSvillain) usually with the villain as the protagonist. Trying to find research to see if they both get a story wheel or only the protagonist?

    • @Peteos101
      @Peteos101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      KM weilwands creating character arcs book describes corruption arcs where neutral or good characters buy into a larger lie or corrupted truth, while being tempted towards and resisting the good

    • @darmor85
      @darmor85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes villians are human in my world..I'm actually 40 pages into a criminal drama focus on a criminal survival and downfall in his environment which he is a product of. It's not a origin story hell it's picks up him already being a robber😂 but he got a family etc I just interested in giving bad unlikely guys the same treatment we do to the heros.

    • @darmor85
      @darmor85 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So yeah I'm doing his journey I guess to survive and get out his environment.

  • @Ccarmelz
    @Ccarmelz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow thanks its great

  • @allenfalls9172
    @allenfalls9172 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love you for this video, thank you soooo much

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are so very welcome

  • @susanbuckminster282
    @susanbuckminster282 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!

  • @PeterSodhi
    @PeterSodhi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this

  • @tcostisi
    @tcostisi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your skill with graphics is getting really good!

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!!! I'm always looking for places to improve. I find video editing so fun ❤

  • @bryanpitcherfilms
    @bryanpitcherfilms 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Solid video and enjoyed your analysis.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @TheArtofKAS
    @TheArtofKAS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Truly have to appreciate this entire video. Love the discussion here and it serves many stories well. I feel after this that the story circle is best for short form stories, such as for tv and maybe even novellas. After reading about this for the first time, I binged the first three seasons of Rick and Morty to scan for the story beats and, you guessed it, the circle was there of over 90% of the episodes. The same can even apply for Marvel's Loki, since the head writer for the show worked on Rick and Morty as well.
    I've said too much. 😂

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oooh interesting I didn't know that about Loki. I did a follow up video to this using Rick and Morty as an example. I'll have to look into using Loki for another one, it has been on my to-watch list. And yeah I definitely agree, this works best for short term content.

  • @ConradSpoke
    @ConradSpoke 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm trying to work out the story structure for a screenplay (Clot) and just watching this knocked a few solutions into my brain.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm so glad to hear it!!! I actually have a video going up on Friday about the 3 act structure so I've been researching screenplays this week. It's really neat that the screenplay centered structures can translate so well to novels. I'll have to give screenplay writing a try one of these years.

  • @BazColne
    @BazColne ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding analysis and explanation. (PS I watched this vid shortly after finishing a piece that seemed to hit these beats in pretty much identical order).

  • @thereafterme
    @thereafterme 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your hair, it shows your creative side

  • @MWinklerBooks
    @MWinklerBooks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd never heard of this method before, I refuse to call it plot embryo :P But it makes a lot of sense. Glad you made this video.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah plot embryo brings to mind some odd visuals lol Josh loves Game Grumps and I often watch them with him. They have some interesting conversations and are overall a funny pair lol.

  • @2MuchSwag4Funzies
    @2MuchSwag4Funzies 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think using a single movie to explain and break down this method gives Dan Harmon a lot more credit. It's an extremely effective tool at least in terms of finding a characters internal conflicts and you can use it to break down almost every main character in every film.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is defenitely on my to-do list. I just had really bad video retention last time I covered examples in the same video as the structure so I split it up this time and haven't decided on a movie to break down yet. Do you have any suggestions? The circle can be applied to most movies but that makes choosing one that much harder lol

    • @2MuchSwag4Funzies
      @2MuchSwag4Funzies 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CloudKitten took me a minute to think of a movie that isn't as simple as some action movies... And it made me realize I would love to see how the circle applies to Parasite!
      The ideas in that film are much less obvious, which I think would make for a very interesting dissection.

  • @JanKowalski-wb2fv
    @JanKowalski-wb2fv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's part of the problem solving abilities that set us apart from most other mammals.
    *proceeds to show a bird*
    Joking aside, I just discovered your channel and I fell in love with the topics that you take up here.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think I was trying to show in the editing stage that I was wrong for saying "mammals" since corvids are so intelligent but I should really have added some text to clarify lol

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a BS in biology, I swear

  • @whothetechknows
    @whothetechknows 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video. I was looking for something to help guide me along writing a short film. I haven't done one in a few years and I feel like I need a little bit of structure. Hopefully this helps. Wishing you the best thanks for making the TH-cam video and looking check out some more of your content.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are so very welcome. I think this is an excellent structure for short film. Hopefully it works out for you. Don't hesitate to drop a comment if you have any video requests for issues I might not have covered yet

  • @davinci451
    @davinci451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:25 Why do I suddenly want a Sprite? 2:35 Why do I suddenly want a Pepsi?

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I swear this video isn't sponsored lol

    • @davinci451
      @davinci451 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CloudKitten XD

  • @justino2602
    @justino2602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @pixxelwizzard
    @pixxelwizzard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with Dan Harmon when he says you don't have to have all the elements of the story circle, but if too many are lacking, it's not recognizable as a story.

  • @JustClaude13
    @JustClaude13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the story circle could be valuable in blocking out the basic story before expanding it with another method.
    I'll have to use it for all my main characters and then use the circles to save the cat.

  • @enzorocha2977
    @enzorocha2977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    _oi vey!_ That choice of transition. Instantly turned this video into a podcast lol.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry about that, no one had issues until about 5k views in when it was too late to pull. I appreciate you sticking around in podcast mode though

    • @user-sl6ou3qb9l
      @user-sl6ou3qb9l 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What the heck is oi vey

  • @coldbattery
    @coldbattery 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    oh my,the transition is killing me

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry. I don't use it on any other videos though, so if you want a similar video I covered the Story Circle in Rick and Morty, and also I have a video summarizing the most popular story structures, which includes story circle.

  • @James.Stark.Ben.Edition
    @James.Stark.Ben.Edition 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned this at some point in time but forgot about it and now that NaNoWriMo is coming to a close and I need to hurry up, this is going to be super helpful! Thanks for making this!

  • @ellyward7381
    @ellyward7381 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! informative and clear (Maybe fewer circle transitions in future though - less is more and all that).

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the feedback. The circle transitions were actually unique to this video because they match the theme of story circle. I almost never use them in my other videos

    • @ellyward7381
      @ellyward7381 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CloudKitten Really excited to read your novel, you clearly have done your research on narrative structures! :)

  • @anthonyryan9357
    @anthonyryan9357 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you sweet angel!

  • @clintcarpentier2424
    @clintcarpentier2424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My world building may lead you to believe that I'm a hardcore plotter... No, I'm not. When it comes to the story and characters, I know what I want, and where they are, and then... using the rules of my world, I try to figure out how to make that happen.
    It's kinda like raising children. You're showing them numbers and letters, without you realizing, they're playing origami jungle beasts. On that note, the MC of the book I completed, does a pretty good job of following Harmon's circle; except, I didn't follow any arc outline, I just wrote an adventure "on the high seas" with a tiny woman who is overly optimistic, and gave her a sidekick who was a hardcore pragmatist. I leave it to the readers to determine who suffered more...

  • @jorgeorlandopalomosanchez3324
    @jorgeorlandopalomosanchez3324 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally believe that Dan Harmon's Story circle is basically a thesis from Joseph Campbell: The heroe's journy. Dan Harmon's thesis is more easeally to use and very well explain, because contain all elements on it, such as Christopher vogler did at the moment he used Campbell references.
    The screenwriting field, whitout no doubt, is a largest and vast journy and we should use the estructure that fit the most (because we feel more confident or just because we are more familiarized with).
    However, all structures an theorys forms are very usefull, and we must have an open mind to combine them for the good porpuse and better judgment of our stories, thats for sure.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most defenitely. I actually just released a super comprehensive video on Josepu Campbell's Hero's Journey. But I do think for many people a less cluttered structure better serves screenwriting

  • @ralphanderson2604
    @ralphanderson2604 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree! C my comments on his U-tube presentation

  • @katencat
    @katencat 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Story circle (plot embryo sounds so awful)! I love your explanation of order/chaos and change/stasis. I don't think I've ever seen it laid out like that before.

  • @viviansventures
    @viviansventures 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This feels a lot like how Avatar The Last Airbender would structure most of its episodes.
    The Gaang would be wandering through the world,
    they find something of interest or have a strong want for(Katara wanting to be a better Waterbender in The Waterbending Scroll, Sokka wanting to prove his combat capabilities after getting shown up by some benders in Sokka's Master),
    they go out and investigate further(Katara venturing into a merchant's ship and seeing a training scroll in TWS, Sokka finding a mentor in the Fire Nation in SM),
    they hatch a plot or do something akin to surveying the situation or setting up a plan(Katara hatching her plot to steal from the pirates in TWS, Sokka starting his training with his mentor in SM),
    they initially get what they want or further a mission(Katara gets her waterbending scroll, Sokka does some training with Pakku),
    something goes wrong as a result from their actions before(the pirates track down and attack Katara while Aang and Sokka chastise her for having stolen and they all get abducted by pirates, Sokka is almost dismissed from Pakku's training and gets in a fight),
    they right their wrongs(this one's admittedly different since this is usually where the climax of the episode would be, but they do show their growth in this part having learned from their mistakes and righting their wrongs, Katara apologizes to Aang and Sokka for having stolen the scroll and they outsmart and escape the pirates and Zuko, Sokka shows humility and impresses Pakku by demonstrating what he's taught him in their fight and he agrees to finish their training),
    and then they have changed and their mission is complete(Katara is a more mature person with a new Waterbending scroll and less of a jealous streak with Aang, Sokka is now a swordfighting expert with a cool sword and another style of fighting known)

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oooooh I really want to apply this to Avatar episodes now @.@

  • @kilgoretrout321
    @kilgoretrout321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Humans evolved to find patterns. It's part of what sets us apart from other mammals"
    Shows a crow/raven, which is a bird and has demonstrated the ability to find patterns and problem solve

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I still don't know how that happened. I think I was supposed to make a joke or correction there in post production to point out that I discounted birds in scripting. But then the text overlay never made it in. Or my script said "animals" and I read it as mammals but edited the video using the script as my main guide...
      I have a bachelor's degree in biology and my undergraduate research study was constructing a site to track and display the taxonomy of local wildlife. And honestly, I'm not sure if that makes this odd error more or less embarrassing lol

  • @cuteykitsune
    @cuteykitsune 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Liked for the game grumps clip. But this was very informative

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I legit have the game grumps clip on hand to use whenever I need to demonstrate something crashing down lol it is the best

  • @armybts5093
    @armybts5093 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1. A character in comfort zone/YOU
    2. They desired something NEED
    3. They enter unfamiliar situation GO
    4. They adapt to it search SEARCH
    5. They get what they wanted FIND
    6. They pay a heavy price for it TAKE
    7. They return to their familiar situation RETURN
    8. They changed CHANGE

  • @d-emprahexpects849
    @d-emprahexpects849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:36 this is the BEFORE want and the after want

  • @daniel140695
    @daniel140695 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh the perfect plot structure 2:46 : pepsi cola

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The worst part about not drinking Pepsi and only watching Netflix is I literally didn't notice until all of you commenting 😂

  • @zyrrhos
    @zyrrhos 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I read 'Story' by Robert McKee years ago but forgot most of it. I'm familiar with Joseph Campbell's The Hero's Journey, but I couldn't have explained it with any great detail. Anyway, I've written several screenplays and my most recent one is my most personal and it's winning a lot of awards in screenplay contests, and I was surprised by my feedback from Save The Cat! that it naturally hit most of the key story beats, because it feels like my messiest one. Go figure.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Congrats on the awards!! That's awesome! It does seem so far like Save the Cat applies best to screenwriting, story circle to TV and short stories, and the Hero's journey to books. At least based on the comments I've recieved on each of those videos. As a novel writer I've definitely found hero's journey most helpful for my needs.

  • @theafrederick3573
    @theafrederick3573 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what do you think about books in a series? What I mean is, would the first book in a series necessarily make it through the whole circle? What if the character doesn't discover what they actually need until the end (perhaps because they were living in a lie and thought what they wanted was what they needed), would that break the circle or can it continue throughout the next book?

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The standard practice for series (not a hard rule, just what's consistently worked well), is to have each book be a whole narrative arc, but then each series also have a grand, overarching arc (no pun intended). As most book series have an initially vague but grand problem that is slowly addressed throughout all the books.
      And this can be done in tons of different ways, but it seems to work best when one of the two arc types (series vs books) follows a more loose flow and the other gets more specific, just because layering two complex structures can get overly complicated and could distract you from telling the story you're trying to tell. So, for example, a trilogy might have individual books that follow more detailed paths (such as hero's journey or story circle), but then the series overall follows a 3 Act Structure approach where book 1= set up, book 2 = set back, and book 3 = climax.
      As a more specific example, in How to Train Your Dragon each film has a complete arc focusing on its own message/problem (Save the Cat probably best matches it), but then you also have the trilogy overall which focuses on the problem of humans trying to co-exist with dragons where film 1 is the intro to the problem, film 2 shows an attempt at a solution and the cost of its shortcomings, and film 3 shows the bittersweet but ultimately necessary solution. IE: Setup, Conflict, Resolution. I can't think of an example of two complex and layered structures off the top of my head, but I am sure they exist.
      And of course some stories do just split a single structure, though it's hard to do this without leaving an unsatisfied audience. As a good way to experience this from the audience side of things, look for book to movie adaptions where the movie was done in parts and then watch just one part and analyze how it stands on its own assuming release gaps. The Hobit movies, Allegient Part 1 (RIP part 2, victim to the split plot problem), and Hunger Games Mockingjay. Harry Potter 7 suffers a little from this, but contains so much information that it distracts from a lot of the hollow feeling that can result from split plots.
      I think at the end of the day it matters a lot less how you layer narrative structures, and a lot more that you are telling satisfying plot progressions and character arcs that satiate an audience enough to get them through the waiting period between releases. So it's a lot more about content density and progression than anything else, but those two things _are_ easiest to manage when you use narrative structures as guidance.

  • @ernststravoblofeld
    @ernststravoblofeld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any plot that makes sense as a story, can be shoehorned into any of the various plotting methods.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't see why that makes this any less useful as a guide to new writers struggling with plotting and pacing. And different writers connect with different formats even if they all lead to the same place and take most of the same steps. If it helps people, that's what matters.

    • @ernststravoblofeld
      @ernststravoblofeld 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CloudKitten Let me give another example from outside writing. Many years ago, I read an article in a music magazine comparing the actions, or physical key press feel, of several weighted keyboards. What the author of the article didn't know, was that the whole mechanical key setup for every one of them, was made by the same company, and had the same part numbers inside. This didn't stop anyone from having detailed preferences.

  • @jamesbradshaw9593
    @jamesbradshaw9593 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Poor man's hero's journey

  • @greggzart
    @greggzart 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Megan is so cute I could watch her talk about the phone book!!

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You might be the only person with the power to survive the 35 minute video I'm dropping next week. You are the chosen one.

  • @StefanBorglycke
    @StefanBorglycke 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    *paused 3 seconds in.....* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I hadn't seen that Simpsons clip :'D :'D :'D Perfect.... Okay, let's move on :))))

  • @tropetrinitytrilogy8533
    @tropetrinitytrilogy8533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is actually really helpful for making quick but cohesive character arcs for side characters!

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm thinking I might start using it for that. That's such a good idea. Because it's short and sweet, and side characters need something short and sweet.

  • @shanmukh747
    @shanmukh747 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:36 😂 it's pre-want and post-want lol

  • @kajetan9906
    @kajetan9906 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know the video is old and it is not important but I have to ask. Is it a Bajoran earring you are wearing?

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alas it is not. A quick Google search tells me that is from Star Trek which I have yet to watch. Rather the earring is just a cool style I found and liked. Not super common a style but not super rare either

    • @kajetan9906
      @kajetan9906 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still it looks really similar in my opinion

  • @KINGTHEYORKIE
    @KINGTHEYORKIE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if i can do a story telling of my yorkies, I want to do a skit but funny!!

  • @sanketvaria9734
    @sanketvaria9734 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    bloody hell this simplification can be turned in to a sentence. "you need to go search and find what you want and bring it back"

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not sure if this comment is positive on the story circle or not lol but you aren't wrong. I think that's why the circle is great for people who want the most minimal influence while still having a rough guide to follow. I think it also makes it good for short form like short stories or even TV show episodes (which isn't surprising as it's what Dan Harmon writes). I prefer to start with a Hero's Journey base but I've been writing 150k+ novels so a more detailed base ends up minimal in translation

    • @sanketvaria9734
      @sanketvaria9734 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CloudKitten don't worry. Its positive. I was just surprised that dan made this super simple.

  • @MrBiswas123
    @MrBiswas123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sometimes i wonder if our lives also follows a similar structure

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The circle of life? *queue you having lion king songs stuck in your head all day*

  • @MrGreen-ci2mm
    @MrGreen-ci2mm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're a true BBW

  • @JosephDutra
    @JosephDutra 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you think about it, Pixar follows the same structure too. That's probably why they're so successful.

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Pixar supposedly has their own structure they use internally which is similar but somehow even simpler than story circle. I've considered covering it a few times though it would be a short as hell video. Supposedly it is as follows:
      Once upon a time there was ___. Every day, ___. One day ___. Because of that, ___. Because of that, ___. Until finally ___.

  • @ofridavid1670
    @ofridavid1670 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:29
    From where that scene wad taken?

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's just two pieces of stock footage stitched together.

  • @mikeywise3411
    @mikeywise3411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this circle actually makes each matrix film very easy to understand

  • @peel4741
    @peel4741 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    smart and pretty, it's a buy :)

  • @StephanieLilienthal
    @StephanieLilienthal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was very informative but I could only listen to the video. The transitions gave me motion sickness 😅🙈

  • @VannyARTS
    @VannyARTS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The repeated transition of turning the screen was too much and annoying that ruin hearing your good information

  • @MrWaylon4
    @MrWaylon4 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 10:48 does she say pantsing? What does that mean?

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pantsing refers to writing by the seat of one's pants. In other words writers who wing it, write by instinct, and don't plan out the whole trajectory of their stories. It's a spectrum but you could say it's the opposite of outlining.

  • @diamondlabelfilms
    @diamondlabelfilms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You used the story circle in this video right?

  • @vetiveru6071
    @vetiveru6071 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think commenting helps share the video with others

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you are correct and I apreciate your efforts ❤

  • @Ruthie888
    @Ruthie888 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely story circle. I'm hearing "the Circle of Life" from Lion King.

  • @shiv26196
    @shiv26196 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're breathtaking ❤️

    • @CloudKitten
      @CloudKitten  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why thank you, good sir

  • @ZooDinghy
    @ZooDinghy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In what way is this the simplest structure you have ever seen? You can break it further down to a 4 act sructure. Remove the mid point and up with the 3 point structure which is even simpler. Dan Harmon has obviously created a method for TV series which have to end with a state that is typically identical to the beginning.