@@Deinobiwith or without backstory, i still consider scourge as a force-of-nature type of villain. Even if he was defeated, he was one hell of a hard kill.
@@EnVyalliance0 if you read into the lore (pre movie) or even watched/read all the other continuities he literally was a decepticon along with drift and then became a unaligned bounty Hunter
If you think about it, if Scourge killed Optimus he would’ve not only taken his autobot emblem, but the matrix of leadership would also have been placed most likely in his chest as his most valuable kill. Edit: the matrix would be broken of course, like a withered matrix on Scourge’s chest not a functioning one since it would kill Unicron, should’ve been clear on that part😅
I man tbf, we have next to no info about Megatron, Shockwave or any other heavy hitter in this universe. Megatron was not even shown so far, and Shockwave had single scene with a single line. For all we knowso far, both of those couldve potentially killed hundreds or thousands by that point.
I have this aching feeling Scourge is gonna come back, since Unicron basically has their souls bounded to him they can only physically die but not spiritually
I have a theory that Scourge could come back as Nemesis Prime later on, because 1: Optimus never fully destroyed Scourge's remains before they got sucked back into the portal, leaving Scourge's remains to land back on Unicron, who could have him repaired 2: It's likely that Unicron has never faced Optimus Prime before, so to ensure that Scourge could defeat Optimus next time they meet, Unicron would be able to model the next Scourge after Optimus Prime, hence creating Nemesis Prime
As we all saw, he truly was the terror himself. Just how much had he endured in the final battle, and how hard was it to kill him. Insane. Also great video!
@@mahmoodluqmaanbinmahmooddi3837 lol, who knows how old Unicron is in this universe and how many henchmen have worked for him before Scourge? What we all know is that, Scourge is the strongest of them
He's As powerful as the fallen As menacing as Megatron As wise as sentinel prime As destructive as galvatron As cool as lockdown And way better and more powerful than quintessa (sorry if I spelt it wrong) Yeah scourge is one of the best villains possibly in all of fiction
I know a lotta people wanted him to have an arc similar to Cybertron Scourge. But I'm still shook over how many people he's killed and actually showing he means business. It feels like what Galvatron was meant to be for Unicron as opposed to Megatron who we have yet to see
@@dfxedits4607that be fucking sick. The leader of the DJD, one of the most infamous Cybertronian bounty hunters, a duocon who went blow for blow with Megatron and a herald of unicron. A gladiatorial battle for the ages
@@floridagaming0 but since we didn't see any terrorcon logos on him, i would say no, but that's my opinion, but what's yours then, and do you think Scourge killed members of his own team or any other terrorcons in general?
@CookizKnightz nah Scourge has no personalities and story in this film like at all, his goal is to just get the key and just stumbled across upon Optimus Prime and got lucky on overpowering him while Sentinel, Lockdown have way more logical badass lines than just "I just hate this plannet", "I'm more powerful than you" generic villains lines. I can't even understand why the heck Scourge got praised so much, the movie didn't even showed a proper transformation of its alt mode and Lockdown got like 2 scenes him changing to an Aventador which is so cool and sick, and Lockdown was much a bigger threat to Optimus too, almost killing him, capturing all Dinobots= higher stakes on Optimus Dying. But in this movie nope.
Scourge is the most dangerous villain in this new rebooted live action film. He killed several cybertronians and take their insignias as trophies. I couldn't able to count the kill count, I only count the ones which he killed onscreen. Thanks for explaining.
Fun fact: if you get the studio series figure of Scourge on the grill, it does actually show ANOTHER Terrorcon symbol. My theory is that that Terrorcon didn’t want to be a herald anymore and Scourge killed them for it.
If that was how many people scourge killed it makes sense why he was such a threat in the movie and how powerful he was it also displays how he was more stronger than optimus and apelinq.
Theorymus I'm sorry for all that stuff you had to go through of taking screenshots to find out how many logos were on Scourge because I had a feeling that wasn't easy based on his design in the movie. Thank you again for another video Theorymus, we appreciate you and love you!!❤
I'm guessing the Animation error possibly came from the models changing over time so a few changes were made here and there but that's just my guess. Also props to you for seeing every frame of Scourge's arm. That must've required a lot of time and attention.
This movies does so well with referencing Lore. Seeing primus, wreckers and elite guards being cannon to this new universe. I hope we get to see some lead by magnus
The fact that he has 9 confirmed predacon kills is wild to me. in tfp none of the decepticons or autobots could kill predaking and his two hench men. so scourge definitely has quite a bit of strenght
That's why I said "truly kill" since I felt like Dropkick put bee more or less into stasis lock, while bee bled out when Scourge took his sword out of him
Scourge has another kill you haven't mentioned yet, that being Night bird. When Bumblebee was fighting Nightbird, Scourge shot his blaster into the sky which was meant to hit Bumblebee, but he hit Nightbird instead. And the shots hit her spark and also hit her wing which bumblebee got a hold of and used it to fully destroyed Nightbird's spark
But Scourge was shooting at them, and thus essentially helped Bumblebee get the kill. I wouldn't count Airrazor as a direct kill either, because that was his *corruption* that led *Primal* to kill her, but not Scourge directly although it was his fault. Same with Nightbird, he helped, but didn't get the final blow.
To me, if scourge didn't get distracted by getting his master/Unicron to the plant he could've killed prime, not only that there's a LOT of ways he could've killed prime. This movie was good tho it could've been better tbh
Nah, Optimus during half of the movie was shows to over power him pretty easily, only first encounter didn't end well bcuz he uderestimated Scourge and wasn't ready to fight a more powerful villain
For a future episode of Tales of Production, would you consider discussing the early unused script treatment for Revenge of the Fallen? It tells a vastly different sequel to Transformers (2007) that fans would have preferred to see over the finished film. Though the script treatment itself can be found online, TH-cam's recent updates prevent me from posting external links.
@@obscurewondering3162 Try "revenge of the fallen early draft", there is a link to a discussion on TFW2005 called "ROTF script vs unused Transformers 2 treatment.
I wonder how the Decepticons felt about being confronted by Scourge, Since he looks & acts like a Decepticon. Scourge may evan have more kills then a Total of 64.
I love that Scourge isn't some super complex villain, he's just a simply horrifying super ultra mega powerful villain that's literally the most powerful Transformer villain we have ever seen on the big screen so far PERIOD. Also, the fact that this director is seemingly so entranced by Transformers lore that he just decided to add in all these obscure Transformers factions and make them canon is absolutely INCREDIBLE and I can't WAIT to see what the future brings.
Showing that scourge has different insignias collected from different factions of many cybertronian factions, showing that he has more experience with killing cybertronian and showing that he has a much bigger arsenal of weapons are heated arm, blade enrgon dissipater gun plasma, cannon rust corruption, bomb and charge up cannon and little lasers and his fingers so far he was prepared for every factions that he encountered
Since we saw rampage in the concept art and then the predicon insignia on scourge, i wonder if they had a bigger part in the original script. Also just have to say wow to all the work you had to do to find this out man, the effort you put in is amazing!
Rampage has Deadpool levels off regeneration paired with a nigh indestructible frame and near immortal spark, I doubt Scoruge made crabcakes outta him or Wazpinator
He also killed bumblebee and mirage even though they came back to life(can argue that mirage didn't technically died). Also i think the movie forgot that bee was impaled and that some parts went flying when scourge blasted him. Energon can't repair that
Man, that was really hard work. I don't think even graphic designers would have guessed that someone would come up with the idea of counting his badges. I hope they watch your video, so they'll take extra care with upcoming characters and their details.
I understand that this is only a approximation of his kill counts, but I do have another theory. Some of the logos that he collected might have integrated into his armor like how some tattooed fades over time. With this you could think that he might have had a even higher kill count. But 64, damn.
Damn I really wasn't expecting that many! Respects to you spending all this time gathering all the kill counts. Scourge is an absolute beast and that's why I like em. Also I mentioned this in ur previous video but can you please help me. So in tlk they revealed that Optimus prime fought beside the British in a war but didn't he only arrive in 2007?? Please do a theory on this.
I'm glad you liked the video 👍 To answer your question, that was a continuity error the last night had a handful of those breaking the timeline. Imo those images should not be taken as cannon, and I plan to do a video on this in the future
One theory of rise of the beast i have is that Bumblebee didn't die when he was impaled and shot at by Scourge. The most logical and likely situation is that he was also forced into stasis like Mirage. It wouldn't make sence for him to get revived just from an energon surge. If that was the case you could revive any cybertronian. This also adds more fuel to my theroy since Cybertronians are locked in stasis when having a severe wound or a loss of energon, and from that energon surge bumblebee was able to get "revived". Also, great video, i hope this one is successful since you spend alot of hours solving how many. kills scourge has from his stolen insignias.
If still doesn’t make sense when your dealing with a character like scourge who makes sure he gets the kill and also has a long track record only reason bumblebee didn’t technically die is because of plot armor and it’s kinda annoying
@@giovonniiclayton true but, scourge shot mirage nearly to death and he didn't make sure he was completely dead. He probably thought he was dead but I could most likely be wrong.
I would like to cope and say that he can control where the logos go, since he places them in his top arm every time, maybe he moves the logos around to keep placing them in the same place.
I think despite being the terrorcon leader he still killed one of his terrorcon bot too, if you look at @6:26 carefully. I think the 2nd row's middle factoin symbol may not of be of maximul, it seems a terrorcon logo to me. (I might be wrong too)
Even though scourge Is so cool bayverse Megatron Is way More meanecing Especially with Hugo weavin's voice In a fight i would say scourge Is stronger than lockdown but agaisnt Megatron he wouldnt make it out a live if Megatron goes bloodlusted he's fk dead His fight reminded me of predaking's fights ROTB may be one of the best movies but the bayverse Is still the best saga even TLK has some better things despite the failures
@@blue_ig1 concepts, desings, cgi, soundtrack, etc Even though it's a bad movie it has it's good points Don't start Hating And even if TLK Is bad watch RID 2015 that Is solid shit
@@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499 Bayverse Megatron is a pussy! Literally he got manhandled in Rotf, Dotm, Aoe and he was only a menace in 07 and had been kicked in Tlk. Scourge would put up a better fight against Bayverse Megaton
@@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499 sure it has some good points, but there are way too many plot holes and its not really a transformers movie, they should,ve called it "Mark Wahlberg: The Last Knight"
Scourge is that one guy you don't want to meet on the battlefield Also since dinobot wasn't in this film i think Scourge and dinobot fought until eventually even dinobot couldn't hold him back and was killed I also think that his placement of the logos might be determined by the bot that fought him and how high up they were on the kill list
Scourge and his thing for taking the insignia of those he kills is actually very similar to the Transformers animated version of Lockdown who would take body parts and weapons from those he hunted and incorporating them into his body
That was a sick Transformers intro for your channel. That definitely should be in future Transformers movies. That was similar to the MCU intro for the newer Marvel movies.
Bros got a higher kill count then the stars in the universe (also if u count all the trees and life in the worlds unicorn killed you could make an argument he’s killed trillions if u count unicrons kills as scourges cuz u know basically same mind as unicoron)
Fun Fact: during production, the Terrorcon logo wasn’t decided upon, so in place of this until on was made, the Terrorcon logo was replaced by the Decepticon and Mercenary logo until the logo was made
my headcanon for it is that he has *way* more kills, but he just likes to only keep the notable ones/ones he feels like keeping on that day, which adds insult to injury on Apelinq as well
4:35 pretty sure this is because the opening and the final battle are done by WetaFX. While MPC did the rest of the movie. You can notice the difference between Weta and MPC from Optimus too, just look at how Optimus walk/run in the final battle vs how he does it in the rest of the movie (Weta made Prime's hip armor move along with his thighs whenever he walks or run)
AWESOME VIDEO! 👏 Now maybe you can do a video on which Autobots, Decepticons, Maximals, Predacons, Mercenaries, Wreckers and Elite Guard members he killed. They could be any Transformer characther, but probably not some from Bayverse. Maybe just this new universe and any other continuity
I think on the Studio Series version of Scourge, while on his truck mode, if you remove his grill, there's a Terrorcon insignia. I might be wrong and confuse it for a Mercenary insignia.
I LOVED THE NEW MOVIE! Oh and the reason why apolinq's logo wasn't on scourges shoulder was because they changed the beggings from trasnit getting killed by optimus to scourge killing apolinq and they just added it and scourge never had it on in the original movie.When they added it they didnt have enough time to change the logo on the other clips,hope this theory helped :)
I noticed that scourge's chest was heated up in some scenes throughout the movie and i was wondering if he was supposed to have some type of fire powers?
I feel like Scourge probably eliminated even more Transformers but only kept insignias of those worth mentioning. Imagine the hundreds of foot soldiers that he eliminated in his career working for unicron
The difference with Scourge in the beginning and Scourge when he’s on Earth could be explained that he was on different missions in the thousands of years since. Some get lost in battle, some added kills expand them
8:08 I remember rewatching the movie and at some point I could’ve sworn I saw the insignia for the Starseekers, it was on his left shoulder close to the Elite Guard insignia. But idk, cause the Wrecker insignia was around the same area so maybe it was the lack of 100% clear animation that made me see it? Or maybe it was there and gone after?
i like to know about who are the 19 Autobots 13 Decepticons 8 Maximals 9 Predacons 5 Mercenaries 2 Ellte Guards and 4 Wreckers that Scourge Killed all the way from the Future and Past
There are no indications to who most of the victims are. We only know one maximal victim is Apelinq and one Autobot victim Bumblebee before Optimus Prime killed Scourge and reclaimed Bumblebee's Autobot badge.
Scourge was such a great and menacing villain. His kill count must of been massive, judging by all the insignias scattered all around him it’s a safe bet that it is! My one question to you is do you think that he is better than AOE Lockdown or vice verse?!
@@SuperSaiyanRoseGodzilla yeah but Scourge might of had a bigger kill count than him, it is one thing to capture your enemy it is another thing to finish them off.
I love that Scourge isn’t a sympathetic villain he’s just a straight up bad guy
Man is more comically evil than Megatron.
Originally they were going to include more about his backstory which was going to show that Scourge wasn’t working for Unicron willingly
@@dawhiteman1451we kind of still got that, with Unicron torturing him and Airazor mentions Unicron possesses Scourge's soul
@@Deinobiwith or without backstory, i still consider scourge as a force-of-nature type of villain. Even if he was defeated, he was one hell of a hard kill.
@@Deinobiconsidering he still has his soul, scourge might possibly be remade/rebuilt and hasn't rly died.
Scourge is the only Cybertronian to beat Bumblebee's plot armor.
he used hacks to destroy the plot armor
Yep bumblebee was not only having plot armour he was having the power of the franchise cashcow so hasbro won't let him die
Actually he didn’t beat the plot armor he came back
But he still did kill him which is good
Not really because he came back to life
I always love it when Transformers expand upon more factions fighting each other than just Autobots and Decepticons.
It all started with Lockdown.
@@lonewolfgamingplus379 I thought it was the Quintessons
@@lonewolfgamingplus379lockdown used to be a decepticon
@@lieutenantaikono he wasnt he even says he isnt
@@EnVyalliance0 if you read into the lore (pre movie) or even watched/read all the other continuities he literally was a decepticon along with drift and then became a unaligned bounty Hunter
If you think about it, if Scourge killed Optimus he would’ve not only taken his autobot emblem, but the matrix of leadership would also have been placed most likely in his chest as his most valuable kill.
Edit: the matrix would be broken of course, like a withered matrix on Scourge’s chest not a functioning one since it would kill Unicron, should’ve been clear on that part😅
depending if this movie is considered a preqaul to the bayverse movies at this point optimus does not have the matrix yet
@@dracosummitoptimus at the time was a prime so I’m pretty sure he had it
@@dracosummit this is a different continuity
@@dracosummit this one is separate from bayverse
Not likely the Matrix is dangerous to Unicron so Scourge would like destroy it.
Everyone: "No Transformers villain is as powerful as Megatron or Lockdown!"
Scourge: *So anyway I started hunting random bots*
I man tbf, we have next to no info about Megatron, Shockwave or any other heavy hitter in this universe. Megatron was not even shown so far, and Shockwave had single scene with a single line. For all we knowso far, both of those couldve potentially killed hundreds or thousands by that point.
Cybertonian wars cough cough
But doesn't sentinel prime destroy lockdown
Now imagine Scourge get that security guard's Badge.
It's edformers!
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He probably would if that guard wasn't incinerated.
I would just like to know who he killed for all those logos
I have this aching feeling Scourge is gonna come back, since Unicron basically has their souls bounded to him they can only physically die but not spiritually
That's what i'm thinking, I would love to see him return
@@Theorymusmaybe having him be more bluish
@@TheorymusI hope so too
Would be a cool scene to show Unicron rebuilding them from just their “spark” too
I have a theory that Scourge could come back as Nemesis Prime later on, because
1: Optimus never fully destroyed Scourge's remains before they got sucked back into the portal, leaving Scourge's remains to land back on Unicron, who could have him repaired
2: It's likely that Unicron has never faced Optimus Prime before, so to ensure that Scourge could defeat Optimus next time they meet, Unicron would be able to model the next Scourge after Optimus Prime, hence creating Nemesis Prime
As we all saw, he truly was the terror himself. Just how much had he endured in the final battle, and how hard was it to kill him. Insane. Also great video!
Well, he WAS the biggest and strongest of the three Terrorcons, so he obviously wasn’t gonna be a pushover…
@@haydennorris8062 also Unicron's strongest henchman
@@BullyMaguire-ym4ni his only henchmen so far lol
@@mahmoodluqmaanbinmahmooddi3837 lol, who knows how old Unicron is in this universe and how many henchmen have worked for him before Scourge? What we all know is that, Scourge is the strongest of them
Nice job. Scourge has to be one of the best Transformers antagonists ever!
He would have been the best one if the cut plotline was there
He's
As powerful as the fallen
As menacing as Megatron
As wise as sentinel prime
As destructive as galvatron
As cool as lockdown
And way better and more powerful than quintessa (sorry if I spelt it wrong)
Yeah scourge is one of the best villains possibly in all of fiction
@@razorwave95bullshit.
He ain't THAT powerful
@@spider-man500 Fax. But still the best villain tho
@@razorwave95 coolER than lockdown
For what he did with Bee, it looked like Scourge also put our favorite scout into stasis lock, like what was said about Mirage.
Mirage wasn’t killed so it doesn’t count
@@PrimalRBLX He said stasis lock.
Bumblebee could've been dead and then just resurrected, similar to Prime in rotf
@@hatsusama3296 They needed the Matrix to resurrect Prime, not an Energon infusion.
Maybe a sorta of comatose, like in-between life and death, but more close to death
I know a lotta people wanted him to have an arc similar to Cybertron Scourge. But I'm still shook over how many people he's killed and actually showing he means business. It feels like what Galvatron was meant to be for Unicron as opposed to Megatron who we have yet to see
Imagine a fight scene with Scourge against the Wreckers.... Imagine how much of a rated-R robot gore bloodbath that would be holy shit
reminds me of Overlord vs the Wreckers at Garrus 9,brutal. both of them are tall and brutally strong.
@@Sikorsky1111 imagine a fatal 4 way fight among Tarn, Scourge, Overlord, and Lockdown tho 🥶🥶
@@dfxedits4607 brutal beyond our wildest dreams. all 4 are like the horror villians of the Transformers.
@@dfxedits4607that be fucking sick. The leader of the DJD, one of the most infamous Cybertronian bounty hunters, a duocon who went blow for blow with Megatron and a herald of unicron.
A gladiatorial battle for the ages
@@kaih_the_viewer it's never a gladitorial battle without Megatron
This number is a lot higher than my kill count calculation I did. Impressive work Theorymus! Truly well done!!!
@@floridagaming0some people said that Scourge even killed some of his own faction at one point or another.
@@floridagaming0 but since we didn't see any terrorcon logos on him, i would say no, but that's my opinion, but what's yours then, and do you think Scourge killed members of his own team or any other terrorcons in general?
@@floridagaming0 yeah I think I agree with you.
Holy- I didn't expect to find you here. How've you been doing dude?
@@Seek_35 been doin alright
At this point we have the greatest villian that needed more screen time, great video
@CookizKnightz I wanna see him vs tarn, I think tarn would win, though
Greatest villain lmfao, not even great as Sentinel or Lockdown but you say it's such a great villain, bro think Scourge is Thanos or H.E wtf
@CookizKnightz First movie megatron is rather proper shoot id say TLK megs was pretty good all things considered. Sentinel was better.
@CookizKnightz nah Scourge has no personalities and story in this film like at all, his goal is to just get the key and just stumbled across upon Optimus Prime and got lucky on overpowering him while Sentinel, Lockdown have way more logical badass lines than just "I just hate this plannet", "I'm more powerful than you" generic villains lines. I can't even understand why the heck Scourge got praised so much, the movie didn't even showed a proper transformation of its alt mode and Lockdown got like 2 scenes him changing to an Aventador which is so cool and sick, and Lockdown was much a bigger threat to Optimus too, almost killing him, capturing all Dinobots= higher stakes on Optimus Dying. But in this movie nope.
@CookizKnightz how is Megatron TF1 better than Sentinel in DOTM Lol tf
Scourge is the most dangerous villain in this new rebooted live action film. He killed several cybertronians and take their insignias as trophies. I couldn't able to count the kill count, I only count the ones which he killed onscreen. Thanks for explaining.
You say that while unicron is in the same movie
Forgot that he's under Unicron's command
Unicron has left the chat
Bayverse villains were universal threats while Scourge is just a puppet
I like how scourge has elements of all versions of him throughout transformers media
Fun fact: if you get the studio series figure of Scourge on the grill, it does actually show ANOTHER Terrorcon symbol. My theory is that that Terrorcon didn’t want to be a herald anymore and Scourge killed them for it.
I hope that doesn't mean Cyclonus is cancelled
There was going to be a fourth Terrorcon, maybe an easteregg?
CG / VFX artists: dont worry about it , no one will notice, just render the scene and get it over with
Theorymus: hold my beer
If that was how many people scourge killed it makes sense why he was such a threat in the movie and how powerful he was it also displays how he was more stronger than optimus and apelinq.
I think that Scourge has the coolest villain design since Ultron from Avengers: Age of Ultron
Without the mask he looks like a brown metal version of Ultron tbh
@@magma_fire_bagwanbut he looks badass with the mask
@@magma_fire_bagwanfr I thought of Ultron when I saw him without the mask
@@blue_ig1 I think The Fallen and Scourge have the same problem...
@@BullyMaguire-ym4ni really?
You have gone to great lengths to explain away actual continuity errors. It takes a bit of mental gymnastics but I do appreciate it. Fun video.
Anytime my dude 😉👍
@@Theorymus you have to give the elite guard some respect if he only managed to kill two of them
Theorymus I'm sorry for all that stuff you had to go through of taking screenshots to find out how many logos were on Scourge because I had a feeling that wasn't easy based on his design in the movie. Thank you again for another video Theorymus, we appreciate you and love you!!❤
Great job counting down all the emblems. It’s really cool the Wreckers, Mercs, and Elite Guard got cameos.
As dead bodies 💀💀
I'm guessing the Animation error possibly came from the models changing over time so a few changes were made here and there but that's just my guess.
Also props to you for seeing every frame of Scourge's arm. That must've required a lot of time and attention.
This movies does so well with referencing Lore. Seeing primus, wreckers and elite guards being cannon to this new universe. I hope we get to see some lead by magnus
The fact that he has 9 confirmed predacon kills is wild to me. in tfp none of the decepticons or autobots could kill predaking and his two hench men. so scourge definitely has quite a bit of strenght
I believe those predacon marks reference the predacons from beast wars that were basically the deceptions against the maximals
Those were the Beast Wars Predacon logos, not the TFP Predacon logos.
What wouldve been wild is seeing some of those battles. This movie sucked
that ir the predacons in the movie verse scame quite poorly/are pretty bad
Fun fact about Scourges development process for the film, he was inspired by the enemy truck driver from the movie, "Duel."
You sure he's not supposed to be the mad rig from mad max?
“Scourge is the only one to kill bumblebee in a live action movie”
* insert sad dropkick noises *
That's why I said "truly kill" since I felt like Dropkick put bee more or less into stasis lock, while bee bled out when Scourge took his sword out of him
Scourge has another kill you haven't mentioned yet, that being Night bird. When Bumblebee was fighting Nightbird, Scourge shot his blaster into the sky which was meant to hit Bumblebee, but he hit Nightbird instead. And the shots hit her spark and also hit her wing which bumblebee got a hold of and used it to fully destroyed Nightbird's spark
Bumblebee killed her tho
But Scourge was shooting at them, and thus essentially helped Bumblebee get the kill. I wouldn't count Airrazor as a direct kill either, because that was his *corruption* that led *Primal* to kill her, but not Scourge directly although it was his fault. Same with Nightbird, he helped, but didn't get the final blow.
64 kills + 2 assists
@@thegloriouskingkronk8422 what are the assists
@@rajalaxmidash8643 Nightbird (killed by Bumblebee) and Airazor (killed by Primal)
I know I said this before, but Lockdown would be a worthy opponent for Scourge.
Lamedown wouldn't even stand a chance against Scourge.
@@boss9mustang404LockDown would turn scourge into scrap metal
@@boss9mustang404lockdown could make Scourge his bitch.
Scourge would destroy lockdown so fucking fast😂
Man your replies section is literal war
To me, if scourge didn't get distracted by getting his master/Unicron to the plant he could've killed prime, not only that there's a LOT of ways he could've killed prime. This movie was good tho it could've been better tbh
it needs that michael bay action pizzazz
Nah, Optimus during half of the movie was shows to over power him pretty easily, only first encounter didn't end well bcuz he uderestimated Scourge and wasn't ready to fight a more powerful villain
For a future episode of Tales of Production, would you consider discussing the early unused script treatment for Revenge of the Fallen? It tells a vastly different sequel to Transformers (2007) that fans would have preferred to see over the finished film. Though the script treatment itself can be found online, TH-cam's recent updates prevent me from posting external links.
It's definitely something I would like to look into
@@obscurewondering3162 Try "revenge of the fallen early draft", there is a link to a discussion on TFW2005 called "ROTF script vs unused Transformers 2 treatment.
This dedication is on a whole new level, mad respect
If Prime didn’t kill Scourge, He would transform to a Insignia himself. ☠️
i love how in this universe, it’s not just the autobots vs decepticons on cybertron. there’s so many factions and teams that take part in the war
Sim sure those other factions stayed out of the war
I always get really excited when you upload, thank you so much Theorymus!! You are one of the best TH-camrs!!❤❤
I wonder how the Decepticons felt about being confronted by Scourge, Since he looks & acts like a Decepticon. Scourge may evan have more kills then a Total of 64.
I love that Scourge isn't some super complex villain, he's just a simply horrifying super ultra mega powerful villain that's literally the most powerful Transformer villain we have ever seen on the big screen so far PERIOD.
Also, the fact that this director is seemingly so entranced by Transformers lore that he just decided to add in all these obscure Transformers factions and make them canon is absolutely INCREDIBLE and I can't WAIT to see what the future brings.
props to you making a kill count to our favorite murderer 🙂
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"Time to show you the real plot armor of a Prime"
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Showing that scourge has different insignias collected from different factions of many cybertronian factions, showing that he has more experience with killing cybertronian and showing that he has a much bigger arsenal of weapons are heated arm, blade enrgon dissipater gun plasma, cannon rust corruption, bomb and charge up cannon and little lasers and his fingers so far he was prepared for every factions that he encountered
Quite the kill count, but I find it weird how Scourge without the mask looks like Ultron from Avengers: Age of Ultron...
True, but it might be intended to look like a tumor or something, since it looks sorta diseased
Since we saw rampage in the concept art and then the predicon insignia on scourge, i wonder if they had a bigger part in the original script.
Also just have to say wow to all the work you had to do to find this out man, the effort you put in is amazing!
Rampage has Deadpool levels off regeneration paired with a nigh indestructible frame and near immortal spark, I doubt Scoruge made crabcakes outta him or Wazpinator
@@madelineodonnell8138 I mean they change characters up time to time so nothing's impossible
They were in the original logo
Theorymus thank you for uploading more about rotb because it has been one of my favorite transformer movies ever
Anytime, I plan to have a lot more in the future 👍
"They never learn"
-Scourge
Honestly, I'd watch a compilation of him getting all of those 64 kills
He also killed bumblebee and mirage even though they came back to life(can argue that mirage didn't technically died). Also i think the movie forgot that bee was impaled and that some parts went flying when scourge blasted him. Energon can't repair that
Yeah it seems like ever since the last knight the writers don’t care about how much plot armor they use and how blatant it is
Man, that was really hard work. I don't think even graphic designers would have guessed that someone would come up with the idea of counting his badges. I hope they watch your video, so they'll take extra care with upcoming characters and their details.
I understand that this is only a approximation of his kill counts, but I do have another theory. Some of the logos that he collected might have integrated into his armor like how some tattooed fades over time. With this you could think that he might have had a even higher kill count. But 64, damn.
This amount of work warrants a like from everyone who watched this, well done man.
Damn I really wasn't expecting that many! Respects to you spending all this time gathering all the kill counts. Scourge is an absolute beast and that's why I like em. Also I mentioned this in ur previous video but can you please help me. So in tlk they revealed that Optimus prime fought beside the British in a war but didn't he only arrive in 2007?? Please do a theory on this.
I'm glad you liked the video 👍 To answer your question, that was a continuity error the last night had a handful of those breaking the timeline. Imo those images should not be taken as cannon, and I plan to do a video on this in the future
@@Theorymus ok thanks for answering!
Scourge is my new favourite Transformer.
Nice video
One theory of rise of the beast i have is that Bumblebee didn't die when he was impaled and shot at by Scourge. The most logical and likely situation is that he was also forced into stasis like Mirage. It wouldn't make sence for him to get revived just from an energon surge. If that was the case you could revive any cybertronian. This also adds more fuel to my theroy since Cybertronians are locked in stasis when having a severe wound or a loss of energon, and from that energon surge bumblebee was able to get "revived".
Also, great video, i hope this one is successful since you spend alot of hours solving how many. kills scourge has from his stolen insignias.
If still doesn’t make sense when your dealing with a character like scourge who makes sure he gets the kill and also has a long track record only reason bumblebee didn’t technically die is because of plot armor and it’s kinda annoying
@@giovonniiclayton true but, scourge shot mirage nearly to death and he didn't make sure he was completely dead. He probably thought he was dead but I could most likely be wrong.
We gotta appreciate how much work you did with the amount of screenshots you took for the video.
I would like to cope and say that he can control where the logos go, since he places them in his top arm every time, maybe he moves the logos around to keep placing them in the same place.
I think despite being the terrorcon leader he still killed one of his terrorcon bot too, if you look at @6:26 carefully. I think the 2nd row's middle factoin symbol may not of be of maximul, it seems a terrorcon logo to me.
(I might be wrong too)
Man I’ve been watching you since 2018 and ur amazing u put in so much hard work to give us answers to questions we all wonder keep it up 💪🏾
Thanks my dude!
@@Theorymus np man keep up the good work
"The confusion on your face when an inferior being meets a higher power" that line makes my spine chills
Scourge was really damn cool and menacing that can be matched against Bayverse Megatron.
Even though scourge Is so cool bayverse Megatron Is way More meanecing
Especially with Hugo weavin's voice In a fight i would say scourge Is stronger than lockdown but agaisnt Megatron he wouldnt make it out a live if Megatron goes bloodlusted he's fk dead
His fight reminded me of predaking's fights
ROTB may be one of the best movies but the bayverse Is still the best saga even TLK has some better things despite the failures
@@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499sorry what exactly does the last knight have better?
@@blue_ig1 concepts, desings, cgi, soundtrack, etc
Even though it's a bad movie it has it's good points
Don't start Hating
And even if TLK Is bad watch RID 2015 that Is solid shit
@@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499
Bayverse Megatron is a pussy! Literally he got manhandled in Rotf, Dotm, Aoe and he was only a menace in 07 and had been kicked in Tlk.
Scourge would put up a better fight against Bayverse Megaton
@@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499 sure it has some good points, but there are way too many plot holes and its not really a transformers movie, they should,ve called it "Mark Wahlberg: The Last Knight"
Since we see all these insignias on Scourge, this gives us a lot more characters to work with for future installments.
you making a kill count deserves alot of respect 🙂
Wow, appreciate the effort you put into this. Great vid 👏
Scourge is that one guy you don't want to meet on the battlefield
Also since dinobot wasn't in this film i think Scourge and dinobot fought until eventually even dinobot couldn't hold him back and was killed
I also think that his placement of the logos might be determined by the bot that fought him and how high up they were on the kill list
Scourge is cold blooded and terrifying coming against with the autobots
Scourge and his thing for taking the insignia of those he kills is actually very similar to the Transformers animated version of Lockdown who would take body parts and weapons from those he hunted and incorporating them into his body
Personally I get vibes of Victor Zsasz from DC with how he cuts himself every time he kills someone.
Poor Security Guard😢
He should have worked at freddy's if that was gonna happen
I always the appreciate the work you put into your videos! And I wouldn’t count Airazor on the kill count list either. That’s more like an assist
I personally wouldn't coutn Airazor either.
Yeah me neither. But the security guard? Yes I would count that for sure 😂
He’s not a world ender, not an evil person who blows up the wonders of the world, he’s just a straight bad guy.
Would love a parody scene made in all seriousness of Lockdown and Scourge telling stories of their toughest or best hunts
That was a sick Transformers intro for your channel. That definitely should be in future Transformers movies. That was similar to the MCU intro for the newer Marvel movies.
Bros got a higher kill count then the stars in the universe (also if u count all the trees and life in the worlds unicorn killed you could make an argument he’s killed trillions if u count unicrons kills as scourges cuz u know basically same mind as unicoron)
Fun Fact: during production, the Terrorcon logo wasn’t decided upon, so in place of this until on was made, the Terrorcon logo was replaced by the Decepticon and Mercenary logo until the logo was made
Nice video as always Theorymus.
Holy heck, I thought this was just a random channel, BUT IT WAS MY FAVORITE TRANSFORMER TH-camR! your voices changed a lot.
The changing symbols were very noticeable in the movie, but it eventually didn’t bother me when i just focused on how much of a beast Scourge is
my headcanon for it is that he has *way* more kills, but he just likes to only keep the notable ones/ones he feels like keeping on that day, which adds insult to injury on Apelinq as well
@@dogpee"yeah this maximal insignia is way too big, people would think I'm a maximal, welp i guess I gotta remove it"
4:35 pretty sure this is because the opening and the final battle are done by WetaFX. While MPC did the rest of the movie. You can notice the difference between Weta and MPC from Optimus too, just look at how Optimus walk/run in the final battle vs how he does it in the rest of the movie (Weta made Prime's hip armor move along with his thighs whenever he walks or run)
AWESOME VIDEO! 👏 Now maybe you can do a video on which Autobots, Decepticons, Maximals, Predacons, Mercenaries, Wreckers and Elite Guard members he killed. They could be any Transformer characther, but probably not some from Bayverse. Maybe just this new universe and any other continuity
Finally someone who's intimidating! Since tf1 Megatron stopped being scary and became a punching bag. Scourge is a one man killing unit.
I think on the Studio Series version of Scourge, while on his truck mode, if you remove his grill, there's a Terrorcon insignia. I might be wrong and confuse it for a Mercenary insignia.
Scourge has now joined the number of characters you've covered, I hope to see more videos on him in the future
With Scourge transforming all the time, and so many trophies, you'd think it would itch, or get caught on something.
I LOVED THE NEW MOVIE! Oh and the reason why apolinq's logo wasn't on scourges shoulder was because they changed the beggings from trasnit getting killed by optimus to scourge killing apolinq and they just added it and scourge never had it on in the original movie.When they added it they didnt have enough time to change the logo on the other clips,hope this theory helped :)
I noticed that scourge's chest was heated up in some scenes throughout the movie and i was wondering if he was supposed to have some type of fire powers?
I feel like Scourge probably eliminated even more Transformers but only kept insignias of those worth mentioning. Imagine the hundreds of foot soldiers that he eliminated in his career working for unicron
Mad respect for this guy
The difference with Scourge in the beginning and Scourge when he’s on Earth could be explained that he was on different missions in the thousands of years since. Some get lost in battle, some added kills expand them
I got y’all
Autobots : 20
Decepticons : 13
Maximals : 9
Predacons : 9
Mecenaries : 5
Elite Guard : 2
Wreckers : 4
Total : 62 Total Kills
Have a nice day ❤
If I was this kind of TH-camr who does hard work I would give up when you had to screenshot scourge you deserve an applause 👏
Just remember that Prime went on an absolute killstreak on more than one occasion
8:08 I remember rewatching the movie and at some point I could’ve sworn I saw the insignia for the Starseekers, it was on his left shoulder close to the Elite Guard insignia. But idk, cause the Wrecker insignia was around the same area so maybe it was the lack of 100% clear animation that made me see it? Or maybe it was there and gone after?
i like to know about who are the 19 Autobots 13 Decepticons 8 Maximals 9 Predacons 5 Mercenaries 2 Ellte Guards and 4 Wreckers that Scourge Killed all the way from the Future and Past
There are no indications to who most of the victims are. We only know one maximal victim is Apelinq and one Autobot victim Bumblebee before Optimus Prime killed Scourge and reclaimed Bumblebee's Autobot badge.
As a transformers fan, i was terrified (and kinda loved) seeing that Elite guard badge.
Scourge was such a great and menacing villain. His kill count must of been massive, judging by all the insignias scattered all around him it’s a safe bet that it is! My one question to you is do you think that he is better than AOE Lockdown or vice verse?!
I like both but I don't think scourge is better then lockdown. But if you think about it lockdown capture the dinobots in AOE
@@SuperSaiyanRoseGodzilla yeah but Scourge might of had a bigger kill count than him, it is one thing to capture your enemy it is another thing to finish them off.
@@PlatinumKnight-je3vy true. But like I said, I still don't think scourge beat lockdown and I like both
Your painstaking efforts are much appreciated!
Great video, how long did it take you to find this out?
I'd say it took the better part of a day, scripting was the easy part after I got the counts
Damn, that’s dedication. I thank you for responding to my comment, been watching you for a while, still remember Trans Theory’s.
good job. It took a while but we are glad you did it
This man is so COLD 🥶
He's like the Yautja Predator who takes skulls as trophies, hunting for the kill.