Like many my age, started out with cinder blocks and milk crates ... next, the 80's ushered in a Standesign 5 (quite the stylized slant back piece) ... still end up stacking this and that. I found the best, lightest, by far sturdiest was the original Black and Decker Work-Mate ... back then I'd stack my mobile DJ gear on it... just a fantastic platform. I placed four Sims Navcom Pucks under the gear... resulting in full isolation, atop a rock solid platform.
I had this whole crazy blueprint in my head for a modular metal table / shelf combo I was going to build. It probably would have cost an arm and a leg weighed over a hundred pounds. I wound up buying a $20 metal shelf at Home Depot and varnishing a pine board to finish the top. Works perfect.
I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one who can come up with grandiose building plans, but settles for a simple solution. I like the heavy duty metal shelving supports that include notched ‘straps’ on the wall and tabbed supports which slip in and lock in place -very rigid. Weight ratings are given for each size.
Josef hifi cabinet. Great vid I prefer amp up too let the heat keep on rising. And never underestimate a solid platform for turntable. Keep it practical make It Sexy and be happy.
I finally got a turn table! A Victor-Victrola built in 1915 and still works! Just turn the little crank I have a long low credenza that houses my two channel and 5.1 HD system For critical l pull my speakers out four feet from the wall
For The Audiophile's Guide, I too thank you! With it, I've created a stereo system unlike anything I've ever heard. By the way, you should add "Lua (feat. Maro)" to your reference recordings list. It's from Jacob Collier's Djesse Vol. 2. I know you liked Djesse Vol. 1, so you outta like this too. Let me know what you think if you find the time.
When possible I also like to rack or stack 3 to 4 feet from rear wall. Makes access much easier. Usually not easily accomplished if in living room and you are married however.
@@janinapalmer8368 lol soz, maybe i should take you out to apologise? hahaha in my dreams. at least we think alike. notice i didnt mention your rack coz they look expensive as well haha ;-)
Exactly, not to mention the old "cable management" idea went straight the door with their design/s. Looks so dam gaudy, I don't know for some reason people love to show-off their hideous looking spider mess of cables. I pay good money for cables too but don't want to expose them either.
I have and recommend a Quadraspire QAVX because they are wide, and you can get it as high as you want, so you can put everything beside each other so you don't have to stack anything on each other no matter how high the things you want to put in the shelf are. Everything because you can design the bench just as you want it yourself.
Some decent racks I have considered that don't cost an arm and a leg might be vpi brand. The seem to have some flexibility for adding components, and even larger ones for big amps. As a bonus they have vibration built into them when stacking. Hope to maybe give them a try someday. Any one else used these?
Shelf on rubber wheels here - surface contact area is minimal and rubber is immune to transfering high frequency energy in most situations. All industrial and you can find these shelves pretty easy without having to pay crazy sums.. that's midrange hack I guess.. it simply works for me - I further dampen the shelves with certain materials.. nothing crazy. easy to change out , rotate, position ect .
I keep wondering why you guys (evidently) aren't using the "Periphery Ring" on your HW-40 turntable - - if it has anything to do with sound I'd be interested in the explanation. Thanks.
I got a huge pro system in a 7 foot by 14 foot room all along the 14 foot side with the speakers facing the wall about 6ft from the speakers 2 15 inch powered subs and qsc 1400 and some floor standing speakers all together 2 15s 6 10s and a couple mids and tweeters and it sounds awesome but I know it could sound better I just don't have the room
I like the way audio racks look but they don't work well for a 74 year old with iffy eyesight. i stack on top of a 42" X 36" tall home made record cabinet made with 3/4" oak plywood, the left hand stack is Preamp - DAC - SACD transport - Tuner. The turntable is to it's right on the same record cabinet, it's on a 3" thick maple cutting board and has sorbothane hemisperes between the maple cutting board and the TT - it is absolutely stable. Having anything you have to see higher up is important with the current trend to measly displays that a lot of old farts just cant see well. I found older designs with LEDs illuminating to show what input was active more user friendly and is why I chose the Rogue RP5 preamp over the PS Audio preamp (also got the gently used Rogue at a great price). I've given up trying to make sense of the PS Audio Perfect Wave DAC display and rely on the remote exclusively to control that.
I enjoy my atacama apollo 10 cabinet. 2 devices on 1 shelf, few shelfs, keeps it low. For the tv above it. Not extremely expensive and looks good. Massive oak as well....
Good to read, I was thinking to buy a set too (Apollo 6, the narrow version because I have few but heavy components). I plan not to use the bottom unit because it will be on a table already - would that be possible with spike shoes?
@@alphaniner3770 from memory, only the base has adjustable spikes. But i recon with a nut you could do the same with the other ones.. It's all very standardised. I am quite happy with it to be honest.
How much volume are those giant speakers capable of? Just seems dangerous or impractical to have those sensitive electronics placed in the direction of the sound coming from them. At least from my perspective, knowing that, if I were to invest such sums of money in audio, I would want the capability of playing at huge volumes with no chance of damaging the driving hardware from the incoming bass and the like. Positioning the dac/amps and sources in a small adjacent room or something would be better imo.
How exactly would the volume damage the electronics ?? When I toured and saw the torture our gear went through being loaded in and out.....well, it's a lot tougher than you could imagine..peace
@@poserwanabe 1 word: vibrations. Sensitive components and parts will be the first to feel the impact of significant levels of them. I have a suspicion though, that Paul's reference speakers are not intended to produce huge amounts of bass...
Hhhmmmmm… okay, but what’s the difference, then, between a rack and a shelf? Re they not the same thing? I’d call what i see in this vid, “PS Audio’s equipment rack”. Thoughts anyone?
@@nickthenail , well, that _may_ have been his intent. but, having never seen anyone use 'nothing at all;' i assumed he meant horizontal (like in the vid) or vertical like most but with fewer levels requiring stacking equipment physically on other pieces. example, 2 on this level & 2 on the next. like Paul has 2 different transports stacked on each other. you bring up a valid point..... but ive *_never_* seen anyone completely stack one upon another upon another and so on.....
I do a combination of both. 4 Racks in the studio for recorders, amps, turntable, patchbays with audio console and workstation mounted on a raised table and shelf system. 1 Shelf unit (with some stacking) in my listening room for playback equipment, reel to reels, cassettes, turntables, tuners and amps. Racks are utilitarian in looks but hide the cables and snakes behind them while shelves tend to expose the cabling more. Plus racks are situated where they are easy to get behind to modify and adjust the cabling and patching whereas shelves tend to be within 6 inches of the wall which makes rewiring a PIA when needed.
He did it again. Saying we would incorporate a part to make it sound better. LOL. that would be a price increase. So chances are not good The Salesman Also who is writing these letters a 12 y.o. kid ??
Didn't you all just put your stuff on the floor in the other shop? I remember having a few words with people on here because I would never do that. On a side note, it flips me out how many "audiophiles" that spend tons of money on equipment but never did simple things like moved their speakers around or sit in different areas of the room for it to sound better.
"moved their speakers around or sit in different areas of the room for it to sound better." Huh? EVERY person I've talked to or watched on YT ALWAYS mention speaker placement and sitting area setups (i.e. Steve Huff, Jay, Thomas, etc...)... Always. That is the #1 thing along with room treatment. You might have to venture to more YT videos before making that assumption.
I ISO packs what a load of nonsense all you need is some squash balls a small funnel and some tungsten powder used for golf clubs, make a hole in a ball put in funnel squeeze the ball and fill it up Super Glue the cut you won't get a better isolation foot than that guaranteed maybe Blu-Tack, and well stop them moving about Let me know if you try it I think you'll be very happy with the results and if you have a turntable put 5-in of cellulose open cell foam underneath or between a isolation platform, good for uneven floors always put some concrete slabs on the bottom of your rack 2" 14" or bigger the rack Paul shows is better than a vertical rack. You can make your own rack easily enough inch probably minimum chopping boards three quarters of threaded rod height you want it a little bit higher capped off with a captive nut bolt the sections you want together with nuts and washers top and bottom of each section then make an identical one and bolt the two together using two for each section U-brackets like used on exhausts on cars remove the clamp and apply two thick washers place 3" from either end. Make sure you cut all your boards together haha so your holes line up drill out one and use that as the template for the rest do you want to time probably or you could do 2 if you got a press drill use a fastener drill bits prevent tear out, I forgot to say you'll need a strip off wood under the U bracket the thread probably won't be long enough 1" by 2" Square stock be fine you want these fairly tight these brackets 60 Newton metres
I'm sorry but this is one of Paul's most ignorant responses I've yet witnessed. Goes to show just how far mainstream high-end audio has yet to go toward real performance.
"no this should stand on its own, and it does" i love you paul lmfao
Thanks for sharing Paul, that was a good one!👍🏼🍻
Love the honest suggestion
Thank you Paul... It is a nice solid High-end rack.
👌🏽👍🏽
I’ve Got My Infinity QLS-1’s since 1978 AND I STILL LOVE THEM !!!!!
I have been very happy with my Pangea Vulcan X racks.
My system is on a big rustic old Mexican trunk and it looks great it gives a sense of barroco style
Like many my age, started out with cinder blocks and milk crates ... next, the 80's ushered in a Standesign 5 (quite the stylized slant back piece) ... still end up stacking this and that.
I found the best, lightest, by far sturdiest was the original Black and Decker Work-Mate ... back then I'd stack my mobile DJ gear on it... just a fantastic platform.
I placed four Sims Navcom Pucks under the gear... resulting in full isolation, atop a rock solid platform.
Just a matter of preference, and build quality of course.
I had this whole crazy blueprint in my head for a modular metal table / shelf combo I was going to build. It probably would have cost an arm and a leg weighed over a hundred pounds. I wound up buying a $20 metal shelf at Home Depot and varnishing a pine board to finish the top. Works perfect.
I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one who can come up with grandiose building plans, but settles for a simple solution. I like the heavy duty metal shelving supports that include notched ‘straps’ on the wall and tabbed supports which slip in and lock in place -very rigid. Weight ratings are given for each size.
Build it. Heavy is good
When Mr.Paul says turn Left. Go right hard. I'm not taking away anything The Salesman say. Let's get that right
Josef hifi cabinet. Great vid I prefer amp up too let the heat keep on rising. And never underestimate a solid platform for turntable. Keep it practical make
It Sexy and be happy.
I finally got a turn table! A Victor-Victrola built in 1915 and still works! Just turn the little crank I have a long low credenza that houses my two channel and 5.1 HD system For critical l pull my speakers out four feet from the wall
For The Audiophile's Guide, I too thank you! With it, I've created a stereo system unlike anything I've ever heard. By the way, you should add "Lua (feat. Maro)" to your reference recordings list. It's from Jacob Collier's Djesse Vol. 2. I know you liked Djesse Vol. 1, so you outta like this too. Let me know what you think if you find the time.
When possible I also like to rack or stack 3 to 4 feet from rear wall. Makes access much easier. Usually not easily accomplished if in living room and you are married however.
ive noticed most expensive racks look like hostess/tea trolleys.
or hospital bed trays....
style just hasnt hit some parts of the world yet!
Hahahaha ... you beat me to it !! So true though !!
@@janinapalmer8368 lol soz, maybe i should take you out to apologise?
hahaha in my dreams. at least we think alike.
notice i didnt mention your rack coz they look expensive as well haha ;-)
Exactly, not to mention the old "cable management" idea went straight the door with their design/s. Looks so dam gaudy, I don't know for some reason people love to show-off their hideous looking spider mess of cables. I pay good money for cables too but don't want to expose them either.
They sound a lot better as close to the floor as possible. The temp change is less and more stable.
great advice, just use sturdy shelves :-)
I have and recommend a Quadraspire QAVX because they are wide, and you can get it as high as you want, so you can put everything beside each other so you don't have to stack anything on each other no matter how high the things you want to put in the shelf are. Everything because you can design the bench just as you want it yourself.
Some decent racks I have considered that don't cost an arm and a leg might be vpi brand. The seem to have some flexibility for adding components, and even larger ones for big amps. As a bonus they have vibration built into them when stacking. Hope to maybe give them a try someday. Any one else used these?
I just started to look into this 2 days ago. And now there's a VDO of. Lucky me.
Shelf on rubber wheels here - surface contact area is minimal and rubber is immune to transfering high frequency energy in most situations. All industrial and you can find these shelves pretty easy without having to pay crazy sums.. that's midrange hack I guess.. it simply works for me - I further dampen the shelves with certain materials.. nothing crazy. easy to change out , rotate, position ect .
I keep wondering why you guys (evidently) aren't using the "Periphery Ring" on your HW-40 turntable - - if it has anything to do with sound I'd be interested in the explanation. Thanks.
I got a huge pro system in a 7 foot by 14 foot room all along the 14 foot side with the speakers facing the wall about 6ft from the speakers 2 15 inch powered subs and qsc 1400 and some floor standing speakers all together 2 15s 6 10s and a couple mids and tweeters and it sounds awesome but I know it could sound better I just don't have the room
I like the way audio racks look but they don't work well for a 74 year old with iffy eyesight. i stack on top of a 42" X 36" tall home made record cabinet made with 3/4" oak plywood, the left hand stack is Preamp - DAC - SACD transport - Tuner. The turntable is to it's right on the same record cabinet, it's on a 3" thick maple cutting board and has sorbothane hemisperes between the maple cutting board and the TT - it is absolutely stable.
Having anything you have to see higher up is important with the current trend to measly displays that a lot of old farts just cant see well. I found older designs with LEDs illuminating to show what input was active more user friendly and is why I chose the Rogue RP5 preamp over the PS Audio preamp (also got the gently used Rogue at a great price). I've given up trying to make sense of the PS Audio Perfect Wave DAC display and rely on the remote exclusively to control that.
Who makes the shelving unit you are standing next to?
👍 GOOD REASONS 🧐 …FOR YOUR WORKING EQUIPMENT…TO STAND ON THEIR OWN 🤗
AND THANKS FOR THE AUDIOPHILES GUIDE ….VERY HELPFUL 😍😍😍
Stack? Nope
Rack? Noper
Shelves! Got it! 👍
Paul that's a very nice Stereo rack. What brand is it ??
I enjoy my atacama apollo 10 cabinet. 2 devices on 1 shelf, few shelfs, keeps it low. For the tv above it.
Not extremely expensive and looks good. Massive oak as well....
Good to read, I was thinking to buy a set too (Apollo 6, the narrow version because I have few but heavy components). I plan not to use the bottom unit because it will be on a table already - would that be possible with spike shoes?
@@alphaniner3770 from memory, only the base has adjustable spikes. But i recon with a nut you could do the same with the other ones.. It's all very standardised. I am quite happy with it to be honest.
Thanks. I already figured out that only the base can be adjusted - but I will put it on top of an adjustable table, so that is no problem :o)
@@alphaniner3770 sounds like a plan :)
Good luck!
I finally found a rack that looks stylish and modern to replace a computer desk/shelf I was using. Only $130 on Amazon.
Tell us more please.
@@briansimmons5363 That's all lmao
Old mate is looking hilariously camp in the thumbnail. LOL
Anyone know the name of the unit next to him? I think it looks pretty good.
solidsteel furniture is a great product for the price,
Don’t leave a link to them because it gets pulled instantly. It is great stuff. Heavy and so well built. I spent many hours searching. 👍
Horrible cable management. But I guess in today's world that idea is out-the-door?
I'd just built my own sturdy shelves, only because I know how to build one that's simple and economically
I think he means between speakers?
How much volume are those giant speakers capable of? Just seems dangerous or impractical to have those sensitive electronics placed in the direction of the sound coming from them. At least from my perspective, knowing that, if I were to invest such sums of money in audio, I would want the capability of playing at huge volumes with no chance of damaging the driving hardware from the incoming bass and the like. Positioning the dac/amps and sources in a small adjacent room or something would be better imo.
How exactly would the volume damage the electronics ?? When I toured and saw the torture our gear went through being loaded in and out.....well, it's a lot tougher than you could imagine..peace
Gear's got to be somewhere, ... if there's no performance deg with it handily nearby, so be it.
@@FOH3663
My man "front of house" 👍
@@poserwanabe 1 word: vibrations. Sensitive components and parts will be the first to feel the impact of significant levels of them.
I have a suspicion though, that Paul's reference speakers are not intended to produce huge amounts of bass...
@@edfort5704 yeah I'm aware of the "vibration" theory....
Let me know when you hear it 🤔
What shelf unit is in use in this video?
Hi. Where does one find the Audiophile Guide? Thanks
Order from the PS Audio website, I did.
Racks, if you got stacks, of ca$h! 🤑
I've been a rack guy for years, almost every system I build is in a rack.. peace
it's a different asthetic.. I use racks for audio production mastering set up but on wheels.
Everyone gets stuck in their own rut.
@@dougdavis8986 you think that's a rut ??? hahahahaha
@@poserwanabe doing the same thing for years and years. Yup, that is pretty much the definition of a rut.
@@dougdavis8986 no, that's the correct and professional way to build audio systems..
I like stacking , prefer racking.
…definitely RACK!
I just want to know why there are CDs not in cases on that shelf...
Because smart people are capable not scratching them without a case
By adding all those sound improving goodies, can my 64 year old ears hear the difference?.
Hhhmmmmm… okay, but what’s the difference, then, between a rack and a shelf? Re they not the same thing? I’d call what i see in this vid, “PS Audio’s equipment rack”.
Thoughts anyone?
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 - ahhh … very nice distinction! Thanks for taking the time to get me up to speed.
Hi Paul. Does the unit that you’re standing in front of not classify as a “rack”? Thanks!
well, yes & no?!!? id call it a hybrid. or, a term familiar to our WV friends...... a _double wide_
@@googoo-gjoob Perhaps I misunderstood the question, but I interpreted Kevin’s question as : rack (or shelving unit) vs nothing at all.
@@nickthenail , well, that _may_ have been his intent. but, having never seen anyone use
'nothing at all;' i assumed he meant horizontal (like in the vid) or vertical like most but with fewer levels requiring stacking equipment physically on other pieces. example, 2 on this level & 2 on the next. like Paul has 2 different transports stacked on each other.
you bring up a valid point..... but ive *_never_* seen anyone completely stack one upon another upon another and so on.....
I do a combination of both. 4 Racks in the studio for recorders, amps, turntable, patchbays with audio console and workstation mounted on a raised table and shelf system. 1 Shelf unit (with some stacking) in my listening room for playback equipment, reel to reels, cassettes, turntables, tuners and amps. Racks are utilitarian in looks but hide the cables and snakes behind them while shelves tend to expose the cabling more. Plus racks are situated where they are easy to get behind to modify and adjust the cabling and patching whereas shelves tend to be within 6 inches of the wall which makes rewiring a PIA when needed.
Racks, spikes, sorbothane, maglev, repeat
I like using racks
He did it again. Saying we would incorporate a part to make it sound better. LOL. that would be a price increase. So chances are not good
The Salesman Also who is writing these letters a 12 y.o. kid ??
Didn't you all just put your stuff on the floor in the other shop? I remember having a few words with people on here because I would never do that.
On a side note, it flips me out how many "audiophiles" that spend tons of money on equipment but never did simple things like moved their speakers around or sit in different areas of the room for it to sound better.
"moved their speakers around or sit in different areas of the room for it to sound better." Huh? EVERY person I've talked to or watched on YT ALWAYS mention speaker placement and sitting area setups (i.e. Steve Huff, Jay, Thomas, etc...)... Always. That is the #1 thing along with room treatment. You might have to venture to more YT videos before making that assumption.
Related question: The turnable, is it not negatively acoustically affected by vibrations from say, a sub-woofer? Especially your rack 😉
Has to be a rack every time
CD's not in their cases. The horror. Time for an intervention!
What was all that about ...? 😂
IKEA has everything you need :p
Lol i tried, but the problem is a deep enough cabinet that can also handle the weight hehehehee
Ended up with atacama, looks pretty
except good directions
@@CyberBeep_kenshi think out of the box, use a coffee table instead of a cabinet.
IKEA has nothing that anyone needs
@@johnholmes912 that is a statement that many IKEA customers disagree with. They outnumber you.
PACK
NEVER stack..
42u vented glass door server racks 😎😎😎
I ISO packs what a load of nonsense all you need is some squash balls a small funnel and some tungsten powder used for golf clubs, make a hole in a ball put in funnel squeeze the ball and fill it up Super Glue the cut you won't get a better isolation foot than that guaranteed maybe Blu-Tack, and well stop them moving about
Let me know if you try it I think you'll be very happy with the results and if you have a turntable put 5-in of cellulose open cell foam underneath or between a isolation platform, good for uneven floors always put some concrete slabs on the bottom of your rack 2" 14" or bigger the rack Paul shows is better than a vertical rack.
You can make your own rack easily enough inch probably minimum chopping boards three quarters of threaded rod height you want it a little bit higher capped off with a captive nut bolt the sections you want together with nuts and washers top and bottom of each section then make an identical one and bolt the two together using two for each section U-brackets like used on exhausts on cars remove the clamp and apply two thick washers place 3" from either end. Make sure you cut all your boards together haha so your holes line up drill out one and use that as the template for the rest do you want to time probably or you could do 2 if you got a press drill use a fastener drill bits prevent tear out, I forgot to say you'll need a strip off wood under the U bracket the thread probably won't be long enough 1" by 2" Square stock be fine you want these fairly tight these brackets 60 Newton metres
Mill Creek sucks!
I'm sorry but this is one of Paul's most ignorant responses I've yet witnessed. Goes to show just how far mainstream high-end audio has yet to go toward real performance.
These questions are really getting ridiculous 🥴🥱
Who makes the shelving unit you are standing next to?