I was the one that told Delorean we need to market the DMC as a time machine, because it always went around his track in exact time and told him I would make a movie about his time machine, then the sales will really roll in.
Just wanted to give this doc a recommendation. Due to how old it is, it's obviously not the most complete picture (John DeLorean was still facing pending lawsuits related to DMC and other issues at the time the film was made), but its powerful. All the interviews with his former business partners, marks, employees, and other innocent people who suffered in his wake make for a compelling story. Roy Nesseth is pure menace. Great music, great narration, great pacing. A fine documentary film about an astoundingly interesting and disturbing pair of charismatic shysters.
@@eugeniuswilliams5457 That might have been because of the events which unfolded in the delay between recording and a suitable broadcast slot. Back then, it wasn't unusual for broadcast schedules to be fully booked for 6 months or more, and a broadcasting day was generally less than 12 hours, ending by midnight. Furthermore, most viewers could tune only one commercial station plus the two BBC channels even in the 1980's. No multiple cable or satellite TV channels, 24/7/365, back then.
@@eugeniuswilliams5457 You know our libel laws, you get done for telling the truth here. It's even happened to scientists with peer-reviewed papers behind their assertions, but they're "defamatory" and can cause loss of earnings, I imagine someone like Delorean would gladly sue the maker for their proven, referenced facts and the British courts would ignore if it's true or not and go for the privacy or defamatation angle instead, easy.
Re: the ranch sale. Should have used a title company. It would have never closed because the mortgages and liens would have been exposed and the buyers would still have their money.
That baffled me too. Even small home purchases for 115k have a synchronized effort of escrow, title companies, and title insurance companies. Buying a million dollar ranch without these, would be like buying a million dollar plane without a pre purchase inspection -- ie unthinkable.
Yeah that silly ranch deal wasn't even fully explained. Presumably the old timey couple just had a hankering for a ranch and didn't want to be caught up in all the fuss and paperwork and go with some ridiculous handshake deal lol. Its sad but great that its being exposed that in a lot of these cases its simply trusting someone without doing do diligence and having professionals do proper paperwork that leads to misery. Could be a tree falls on your house and you didn't check to see if its covered. Don't ever just say "yeah sounds good" when serious money and or safety is on the line.
@@StormReefProductions My experience with con artists is that they are so plausible and make themselves seem so likeable on face value that it's easy to drop your guard and think that you don't need to complete all the paperwork etc. you'd do for anyone else. However where significant sums of money are involved you should never leave anything to chance and always have to consider what the worst case scenario is before money changes hands.
I am 7 minutes into this... my thoughts... My dad bought a brand new Pontiac every 4 years when DeLorean was there. He had Oldsmobiles and Chevrolets as a kid, and then moved to a Catalina or two, (always 2 door), a Bonneville, I think a 440 engine, with hardtop roof. Wow. A gold-brown color. Such luxury. Then the car I had to take my license test in - the huge 1974 Gran Ville, 2 door. Wow, so huge. I knew so many people with that GTO. I personally had 2 Camaros. 1973 and 1977, a 1972 Chevelle and a 1968 Nova. He only let me drive the Granville 3 times before the exam. Needless to say, the parallel parking was interesting. But that I succeeded in, I failed the exam because I was told to use a hand signal, no power windows back then, and I was so nervous, I put my arm out straight and made a right hand turn instead of a left on to a one way street. Hilarious. I passed it a few weeks later. Those cars were iconic. My question is did the couple who "bought" a ranch have a title search done? Pretty fing basic. I have my Real Estate license. I would love to know the exact details. Does not even come close to making sense. I think some people and governments perhaps do not want certain people to succeed. Was GM the cause of his downfall. His set up? The British Govt.?
Some girls, the Bonneville had a 455 CID engine. As for the Granville, it had power windows. The model year you're talking about must have been the very early ones. As for that car being big, not really. The Caddy El Dorado "Biaritz" with a 501 CID engine was really long! Like the deck of an aircraft carrier! And it was a front wheel drive to boot!! Except for a bum-scratcher it had every concievable gadget in it. It was a dream to drive, not to mention the head-turning envious glances one got with the top down! A real chick magnet! Even more so today!
That setup was the work of Hoffman trying to clear his name. He was in big trouble with the law and made a deal with the FBI to "take down" his neighbor in an effort to clear his record.
Before De Lorean sold the DeLoran manufacturing idea to the British government, he had gone to the Industrial Development Agency in the Republic of ireland with the business plan.. It did its Due Diligence properly, saw De Loeans record and kicked him out. He then went to the British Government. . One phone call from the british Government to the Irish government would have resolved the problem.The rest is history.
Excellent point.... In his book, Delorean blamed his problems on Northern Ireland. As usual, the guy was an incouragable, changing on a dime whenever things went bad. I read "The Man who Made it Snow", about a Columbian drug dealer. Tallks about his associate having a meeting with a tall, American businessman with gray hair who wanted to do a drug deal to raise money.
@@carpediem6568 Prenez Garde when doing deals with the cousins. Look who is running the show now!! Gobsmackingly bad news for everybody, closet nazi/thief in the White House and getting more hubristic by the second. Makes DeLorean look like an amateur. Will they kick him out before its too late???
@@carpediem6568 Can't believe how toothless the opposition are despite the huge amount of evidence available to get him impeached. He also brushes everything off as irrelevant which the opposition can't seem to rebut. We are missing one good tub thumping opposition leader who has the profile to take him on and reveal the fool and imposter he really is.
It was neat seeing this story from 40 years ago. When it was happening and sorta fizzled from the new I was in my teens. It was nice to come across this on TH-cam and see the whole story.
they need to make a documentary of the long list of people that have went up against the US auto makers and all of a sudden out of no where they are accused of drug dealing, fraud, tax evasion and all the rest, and all had no criminal backgrounds until they were a threat to the car companies. i just love how the US "free" market works.
SUPERB documentary . . . puts all the others to shame. BIG THANK-YOU for saving this gem from obscurity. I have downloaded a copy myself for keeps. Respect for your service.
It's easy to bullshit but not everyone will buy it. But when you're revolving around people that are naive and hypocrite, bullshit becomes truth....add money, flair, and panache and you own the rest (majority)...and he was the king of that, who got away.
Now it makes sense why the Feds went after DeLorean, he deserved it. Now they’re making him a hero in movies. He committed fraud & should have been sent to prison for what he did to those ppl with the ranch. By the way, he was making $600k when he left GM.
KOLLUSION Transistor Funk Yes. The life of GM & Ford execs back then was incredible. But DeLorean wanted the jet set lifestyle that “old money” enjoyed from having generational wealth. Descendants of old money only had to manage their fortunes where DeLorean had to build his. I believe that he started DMC with the idea of selling his stock as soon a he could.
@@r.williamcomm7693 I agree. But only because he had no choice. He needed the capital to maintain his insane lifestyle. However, there’s two sides to every story and I’m not convinced that all these people who lost their money (and the patent owner isn’t one of them, he’s rich) are somehow his “victims.” You enter into a contract with someone as savvy as John DeLorean at your own risk, so I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for these idiots who didn’t read their contract.
The DeLorean car was fine. My dad bought one. It was the damn Flux Capacitor, kept breaking on us. . My dad had to keep replacing the darn thing every so often., otherwise it would have been an awesome car.
There was a documentary on the History Chanel about the automobile. It told the story about GM, Ford, and Chrysler from the beginning up into the 80's. In this documentary there is a scene where John is coming back to work after having plastic surgery and has words with his boss he quits and says, "Lets see who is going to do the work around here now." You can see the lengths they go to protect the lie about his leaving GM. This is the biggest problem I have with television and Hollywood. People see what they produce and then think it's true.
There's a new book by a man named Steve old neighbor of mine, his house just burnt down in California. He wrote a book "In DeLoreans Shadow" he played a big role on the drug side....his book features a pardon from Obama. If I remember his last name I'll stop back by.
Perfectly true! People don't realise that Media (and their subsidiary businesses like Hollywood) are working to their own corporate agenda. They elevate themselves and their own business interests using their corporations, and denigrate/ attack/ assassinate industries they disapprove of (in particular Wall Street).
I can't believe what I knew to be true, actually was published!!!! Steve must be now surrounded by Fijian Headhunter body guards! LoL! I heard the stories from the "Cowboys" in Ft. Lauderdale when I was a kid who all liked me & they were like heros too me...a few lived in my grandparents condo. where Big Paul Castellano & his father/cousin -in law Carlo Gambino had their hide out vacation home at, but FBI would raid a few times & come up with no more than loose change in the sofa they bagged as evidence!!! The old mob-guy security guard was former CIA & had a notorious security agency to protect many of them, & he would lock down the elevators remotely & make the FBI walk up 25 floors, by that time Castellano Carlo & Connie just hid out in an empty apartment! LoL!
yeah even if you have the cash on hand....run it thru a bank (or lending institution) you can bet they'll check it all out when it's on their dime...just use ur cash (or whatever) as collateral.
Delorean McClane DMC like the emblem on the front of the Delorean... We sold cars everywhere I went with Delorean. I never got paid, because I loved helping Delorean McClane sell his beautiful cars.
You mean innocent until proven guilty? The government entrapped a man desperate to save a pretty much already dead company. They sought him out, they supplied the plan, they were given scripts to get him to do and say things that were more “drug dealer-esque”. He was innocent of those charges. Now his financial charges were a different story, all the evidence shows he did embezzle funds. And he was found guilty in that matter.
I never heard that side of his story before. Dude was quite the scam artist. I always loved the car since the first time I saw one in 1982 when I was about 13.
not really any different from any other CEO if you ask me - he just made the mistake of making enemies which is ostensibly why he got busted ... i'm sure lee iacocca's hands were MUCH dirtier
Regarding the patents, if Delorean had gone about it in the right and decent way, he could have made much more out of it, but he was only interested in a quick buck.
As for the ranch - this can not get past a title company. They do a title search in the country where the property is located in. Where’s the title company?
It was a fascinating story at the time and thanks for posting this up, I have often wondered whatever happened to John DeLorean and his side kick Roy. I also wondered when DeLorean might have first got into cocaine and becoming rather vain and full of himself would be clue #1 with the chin and nose job clue #2. What's so amazing is that the British went along with it without checking up and it seems that the Reporter Hillel Levin was the first to do this.
Chapman and Fred Bushell have explaining to do as well. They are both guilty. I don't trust that Levin. JZD was not into cocaine, he was setup by scumbag Hoffman.
In the early 80's I was in California for a boat show. We were in the heavy freeway traffic, going slow, like normal LA rush hour. We went past a Lincoln Town Car with a very tall, gray haired man getting arrested. My dad said "that looks like DeLorean" so we watched the news that evening and saw nothing about DeLorean. However, later, we saw something about DeLorean getting arrested but we couldn't find out where, exactly, that happened or what he got arrested for. Back then, if you weren't paying attention to the news & only heard part of a story, that was it, you missed it unless it was a big enough story to be covered again. You couldn't rewind, you couldn't hop online to look for other sources etc. You could maybe find a newspaper but point is, if you missed a story or only heard part of it from the bathroom, it was a real pain in the butt to find out what you missed. This was 82 or 83. It was after the cocaine arrest because I recall us thinking that he got busted for something else. Anyways, there was no internet back then & I have been unable to verify anything he got arrested for other than the cocaine arrest. Does anyone know if he got arrested for maybe violating his bond or something minor? DUI maybe? I have always wondered if we did indeed see DeLorean get arrested, or did we just see some poor schmuck that happened to look like him getting popped for a DUI or something? I Haven't found anything yet & it's not a big deal in that I don't really care is it was him or not. I am more interested in finding out if the internet can answer a 36+ year old question that we couldn't verify 36 years ago. Anyone have any info? Can anyone point me in the direction that might lead to more info? Is there a book about him, or anything else that mentions any arrests other than the cocaine arrest?
I recommend you watch "Framing John Delorean" for the answers. It's too complicated with too many details to elucidate in the comments section. All I'll say is his wife testified against him in the criminal trial after the cocaine thing.
yep, i wonder exactly what happened. I think some offer too good to be true was offered or something and the plaintiffs took a risky shortcut because they trusted in good faith. Also Delorean had to pay lawyers for the 16 times the plaintiffs managed to get going, i wonder how much he had to pay them.
It is unfortunate that the vast majority of decent people must spend money on such legal measures, to protect against the small percentage of @ssholes like DeLorean who cause the vast majority of theft and harm in the world. Laws are made because of useless scum like this, where decent people should just be able to rely on a handshake.
First of all, a juror who refuses to assess the evidence should be thrown off the jury. Secondly, the Judge was very remiss in not spelling out to them how the verdict would work if not unanimous. That's what a judge is for.
that is very weird, they go through all that effort for a trail, but somehow the jury is not aware of what happens if there is a disagreement between jurieers, and for the defendant to personally talk to a juror, is that allowed?,
Why was there not a title search on the Ranch? That’s Real Estate 101. Did this guy not have a closing attorney? Was this a handshake deal??? I don’t get it.
At about 50 minutes into the video, the "new evidence" based on the wife's testimony. Who's to say somebody didn't offer Mrs DeLorean a hundred million dollars to call her own on top of the millions she would get in a divorce settlement. Human greed Knows No Limits.
hairypolack, oh come on! Open your eyes! He’s a total POS that has no compunction lying and is totally slick and smooth. And the one jury member with moist panties wrecked the case. Should have been a hung jury at the very best.
God to John in March 2005: John, I've been expecting you. A few points I want to go over with you, 'this won't take long so no need to sit down.......................
No way of knowing without faith. Also you seem to be suggesting that God would hold one man accountable for the sins of a faulty man-made system. That takes a understanding of a complex concept known as accountability!
Most innovators are ego driven. Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, Elon Musk, etc.. They will never take no for an answer thank God. Most of the things we enjoy today would never exist without them. Henry Ford was the only American who received the Iron Cross from Adolph Hitler. He hung Ford’s photo above his desk.
I have been blinded to De Lorean’s scandals due to the my being a Pontiac enthusiast, although I knew he got into trouble ,I never got the details till now. I kinda feel ashamed.
Every corporate system needs a Fall Guy to continue to be successful. Drug dealers understand the importance of a middleman. We're all products of our environment.
The kind of guys you wish they would end up preferably under a bulldozer or a main battle tank. He changed his nose and chin, but forgot these Muppet-show-ish eyebrows. The guy couldn't even draw a coachwork that can be seen as a real classic. The man certainly was no Bill Mitchell or Roy Lonberger for sure. The American dream seems to be pretty much populated by damned crooks and sociopaths. Some dream !
Having researched John Delorean over the years and read numerous books on his life The Accolade of one of the most ruthless heartless Conman of The Twentieth Century. The amount of people's lives destroyed by his brazen embesselment and total disregard for common decency certainly portrays John Delorean as The Conman of the Twentieth Century........Let's hope he is not selling Dodgy Bibles in heaven.
@3:04...That's why we have title insurance companies. WTF, why wouldn't you get a title search on a transaction of that size? Cause it was an arms length deal, and you thought you were getting a deal.
Every attorney was right. People, if you buy land ask yourself this question: can I afford to throw this money into the wind tomorrow, walk away and laugh? If you can, I guess you don’t need an attorney because you have too much money. If the answer is “no” always get a survey, use a title company, buy title insurance and hire a lawyer who has more malpractice insurance than you’re spending. If you get ripped off by the seller, you sue those people and the seller. These poor folks relied on a bill of sale which is nothing more than Monopoly money to a pre-recorded lien. Pisses me off for them, but they never had a chance.
I wonder if Clark Higley (Person who bought the farm from Delorean) had title insurance search: The out come would have been different? title insurance would have insurance a clear tidal. Maybe, Delarean presented his own made-up document of a clear title??? And the Higley's excepted in good faith? From Gary R.N.
Noneovyer Business, I believe he was. It was his disdain for following rules that was the spark for it - at the time Company Rules said “No big engines in medium size cars”. He and a couple other engineers got the Pontiac boss to sign off on the GTO though. Jim Wangers was the real marketing genius behind the car’s image though. DeLorean almost got a Pontiac 2-seat sports car called the Banshee approved - years before the Fiero or the Solstice. However he was blocked by Chevy brass because they felt it would bite into Corvette sales.
An acquaintance of mine purchased a De lorean. I was stunned at how cheap the interior was , no get up and go i.e no horse power. I thought it was cr_p at 1st impression. Turns out De lorean was garbage - not surprised.
Well maybe if you realize it was made in the 80s, and not in the 21st century it would be different. People like you will always paint him as some sort of villain despite how much he's done for the industry.
A story similar to the Concord Airplane.... All the big money working against you and making you look like a criminal. A brilliant car and a brilliant airplane.
John De Lorian was trash, period. Didn't even qualify to be a men. A true men lives up to it's word, he never did live up to his word. He simply didn't have a word. Walking, talking, eating "human" trash. The only thing he delivered was a piece of shit that he called a car that spent more time broken down than on the road. Luckily or unluckily the car only made success in the movies, "Back to the Future". And even there the car was always breaking down lol.
I was the one that told Delorean we need to market the DMC as a time machine, because it always went around his track in exact time and told him I would make a movie about his time machine, then the sales will really roll in.
Just wanted to give this doc a recommendation. Due to how old it is, it's obviously not the most complete picture (John DeLorean was still facing pending lawsuits related to DMC and other issues at the time the film was made), but its powerful. All the interviews with his former business partners, marks, employees, and other innocent people who suffered in his wake make for a compelling story. Roy Nesseth is pure menace. Great music, great narration, great pacing. A fine documentary film about an astoundingly interesting and disturbing pair of charismatic shysters.
Ryan Atkinson He looks like hitman.
yes and it was never aired in Britain!
@@eugeniuswilliams5457 That might have been because of the events which unfolded in the delay between recording and a suitable broadcast slot. Back then, it wasn't unusual for broadcast schedules to be fully booked for 6 months or more, and a broadcasting day was generally less than 12 hours, ending by midnight. Furthermore, most viewers could tune only one commercial station plus the two BBC channels even in the 1980's. No multiple cable or satellite TV channels, 24/7/365, back then.
Fortunately, Roy Nesseth died back in 2000
@@eugeniuswilliams5457 You know our libel laws, you get done for telling the truth here. It's even happened to scientists with peer-reviewed papers behind their assertions, but they're "defamatory" and can cause loss of earnings, I imagine someone like Delorean would gladly sue the maker for their proven, referenced facts and the British courts would ignore if it's true or not and go for the privacy or defamatation angle instead, easy.
Re: the ranch sale. Should have used a title company. It would have never closed because the mortgages and liens would have been exposed and the buyers would still have their money.
That baffled me too. Even small home purchases for 115k have a synchronized effort of escrow, title companies, and title insurance companies. Buying a million dollar ranch without these, would be like buying a million dollar plane without a pre purchase inspection -- ie unthinkable.
Exactly. If they were represented by a realtor, then the realtor could be in trouble for not advising it. If they didn't use a realtor ... well ...
@@overcastfriday81 Ditto, who buys a property like that and without title insurance?
Yeah that silly ranch deal wasn't even fully explained. Presumably the old timey couple just had a hankering for a ranch and didn't want to be caught up in all the fuss and paperwork and go with some ridiculous handshake deal lol. Its sad but great that its being exposed that in a lot of these cases its simply trusting someone without doing do diligence and having professionals do proper paperwork that leads to misery.
Could be a tree falls on your house and you didn't check to see if its covered. Don't ever just say "yeah sounds good" when serious money and or safety is on the line.
@@StormReefProductions My experience with con artists is that they are so plausible and make themselves seem so likeable on face value that it's easy to drop your guard and think that you don't need to complete all the paperwork etc. you'd do for anyone else. However where significant sums of money are involved you should never leave anything to chance and always have to consider what the worst case scenario is before money changes hands.
I am 7 minutes into this... my thoughts... My dad bought a brand new Pontiac every 4 years when DeLorean was there. He had Oldsmobiles and Chevrolets as a kid, and then moved to a Catalina or two, (always 2 door), a Bonneville, I think a 440 engine, with hardtop roof. Wow. A gold-brown color. Such luxury. Then the car I had to take my license test in - the huge 1974 Gran Ville, 2 door. Wow, so huge. I knew so many people with that GTO. I personally had 2 Camaros. 1973 and 1977, a 1972 Chevelle and a 1968 Nova. He only let me drive the Granville 3 times before the exam. Needless to say, the parallel parking was interesting. But that I succeeded in, I failed the exam because I was told to use a hand signal, no power windows back then, and I was so nervous, I put my arm out straight and made a right hand turn instead of a left on to a one way street. Hilarious. I passed it a few weeks later. Those cars were iconic. My question is did the couple who "bought" a ranch have a title search done? Pretty fing basic. I have my Real Estate license. I would love to know the exact details. Does not even come close to making sense. I think some people and governments perhaps do not want certain people to succeed. Was GM the cause of his downfall. His set up? The British Govt.?
Some girls, the Bonneville had a 455 CID engine. As for the Granville, it had power windows. The model year you're talking about must have been the very early ones.
As for that car being big, not really. The Caddy El Dorado "Biaritz" with a 501 CID engine was really long! Like the deck of an aircraft carrier! And it was a front wheel drive to boot!! Except for a bum-scratcher it had every concievable gadget in it.
It was a dream to drive, not to mention the head-turning envious glances one got with the top down! A real chick magnet! Even more so today!
That setup was the work of Hoffman trying to clear his name. He was in big trouble with the law and made a deal with the FBI to "take down" his neighbor in an effort to clear his record.
22:38 Part 1 ends here
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Before De Lorean sold the DeLoran manufacturing idea to the British government, he had gone to the Industrial Development Agency in the Republic of ireland with the business plan.. It did its Due Diligence properly, saw De Loeans record and kicked him out. He then went to the British Government. . One phone call from the british Government to the Irish government would have resolved the problem.The rest is history.
Excellent point.... In his book, Delorean blamed his problems on Northern Ireland. As usual, the guy was an incouragable, changing on a dime whenever things went bad. I read "The Man who Made it Snow", about a Columbian drug dealer. Tallks about his associate having a meeting with a tall, American businessman with gray hair who wanted to do a drug deal to raise money.
@@carpediem6568 Prenez Garde when doing deals with the cousins. Look who is running the show now!! Gobsmackingly bad news for everybody, closet nazi/thief in the White House and getting more hubristic by the second. Makes DeLorean look like an amateur. Will they kick him out before its too late???
@@dashercronin Yeah, and the more of a jerk he is, the more his followers love him. It's all very sickening.
@@carpediem6568 Can't believe how toothless the opposition are despite the huge amount of evidence available to get him impeached. He also brushes everything off as irrelevant which the opposition can't seem to rebut. We are missing one good tub thumping opposition leader who has the profile to take him on and reveal the fool and imposter he really is.
It was neat seeing this story from 40 years ago. When it was happening and sorta fizzled from the new I was in my teens. It was nice to come across this on TH-cam and see the whole story.
Agreed.
The Late Great *Rick* *James* - _"Cocaine is a helluva drug."_
Excellent 👍 presentation 👍 👍
they need to make a documentary of the long list of people that have went up against the US auto makers and all of a sudden out of no where they are accused of drug dealing, fraud, tax evasion and all the rest, and all had no criminal backgrounds until they were a threat to the car companies. i just love how the US "free" market works.
Best point made in all of the comments I have read,Thank You!
There will always be people like this as long as humans remain greedy.
@clintb78 Thank you for the quote!
feuriger Stern That is a profoundly insightful comment! (and that was sarcasm).
Feminists & corporate greed a holy union
Greed isn’t going away honey.
Going to Church doesn't mean much. The Mafia was portrayed as being very involved with the same Church . . .
SUPERB documentary . . . puts all the others to shame. BIG THANK-YOU for saving this gem from obscurity. I have downloaded a copy myself for keeps. Respect for your service.
Great video! it was interesting seeing the story from a different perspective
What a misuse of a life when he could have genuinely helped others.
People like John Delorean are born Con Men.
I created the GTO you ignoramus. He moved the Auto industry forward when they just wanted to maintain the status quo. He was a proto Elon Musk.
@@MrCountrycuz Exactly. He was a conman and bullshitter.
It's easy to bullshit but not everyone will buy it. But when you're revolving around people that are naive and hypocrite, bullshit becomes truth....add money, flair, and panache and you own the rest (majority)...and he was the king of that, who got away.
wasn't his book exposing GM helpful?
In 1999, DeLorean declared personal bankruptcy after having fought around 40 legal cases since the collapse of DeLorean Motor Company.
But he won them all. Says volumes about our country's legal system.
"I have so many ideas, but nobody will listen to me anymore"... -John Delorean-
I worked for John, he was so cheap it was shocking!
Derloreon flew Concorde at least 37 times. More than any other paying passenger in the plane's history. That was $6000.00 one way.
Thought you said 38
@@22ron81 Let's go to the tape
Trump's Bedminster Country Club was the former Delorean Farm.
@@22ron81 Think about it, that list trip was one way.
An excellent documentary. Quite insightful. It does change my opinions.... somewhat. Thanks for the eye-opening video.
R.I.P. John Z.
Now it makes sense why the Feds went after DeLorean, he deserved it. Now they’re making him a hero in movies. He committed fraud & should have been sent to prison for what he did to those ppl with the ranch. By the way, he was making $600k when he left GM.
and the Feds did it wrong and f**ked up.
True. It's disgusting 😫😨
That's got to be around $2.5 mill today.
KOLLUSION Transistor Funk Yes. The life of GM & Ford execs back then was incredible. But DeLorean wanted the jet set lifestyle that “old money” enjoyed from having generational wealth. Descendants of old money only had to manage their fortunes where DeLorean had to build his. I believe that he started DMC with the idea of selling his stock as soon a he could.
@@r.williamcomm7693 I agree. But only because he had no choice. He needed the capital to maintain his insane lifestyle. However, there’s two sides to every story and I’m not convinced that all these people who lost their money (and the patent owner isn’t one of them, he’s rich) are somehow his “victims.” You enter into a contract with someone as savvy as John DeLorean at your own risk, so I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for these idiots who didn’t read their contract.
I never even met Roy Nesseth, thanks for trying to say he is one of my personalities
The DeLorean car was fine. My dad bought one. It was the damn Flux Capacitor, kept breaking on us. . My dad had to keep replacing the darn thing every so often., otherwise it would have been an awesome car.
Same problem. We replaced ours with a Mr Coffee brand coffee maker. Works great now.
All About Rice Rockets : Those damn doors were awful! Former husband owned one, at one point in our marriage, this was are only car 😞.
I used to feel sorry for DeLorean but after watching this, NO MORE. He was a bastard, a liar, and a cheap crook in an Armani suit.
Absolutely lying man, DeLorean. And that horrible attorney thug of his, Roy. I hope some 500 pound negroes are corn holing Roy in jail.
Who came from the Framing John Delorean trailer?
There was a documentary on the History Chanel about the automobile. It told the story about GM, Ford, and Chrysler from the beginning up into the 80's. In this documentary there is a scene where John is coming back to work after having plastic surgery and has words with his boss he quits and says, "Lets see who is going to do the work around here now." You can see the lengths they go to protect the lie about his leaving GM. This is the biggest problem I have with television and Hollywood. People see what they produce and then think it's true.
There's a new book by a man named Steve old neighbor of mine, his house just burnt down in California. He wrote a book "In DeLoreans Shadow" he played a big role on the drug side....his book features a pardon from Obama. If I remember his last name I'll stop back by.
Arrington
Perfectly true! People don't realise that Media (and their subsidiary businesses like Hollywood) are working to their own corporate agenda. They elevate themselves and their own business interests using their corporations, and denigrate/ attack/ assassinate industries they disapprove of (in particular Wall Street).
Do you have a link/source?
I can't believe what I knew to be true, actually was published!!!!
Steve must be now surrounded by Fijian Headhunter body guards! LoL! I heard the stories from the "Cowboys" in Ft. Lauderdale when I was a kid who all liked me & they were like heros too me...a few lived in my grandparents condo. where Big Paul Castellano & his father/cousin -in law Carlo Gambino had their hide out vacation home at, but FBI would raid a few times & come up with no more than loose change in the sofa they bagged as evidence!!! The old mob-guy security guard
was former CIA & had a notorious security agency to protect many of them, & he would lock down the elevators remotely & make the FBI walk up 25 floors, by that time Castellano Carlo & Connie just hid out in an empty apartment! LoL!
Background checks. Never do a land transaction without a competent attorney.
I always pay for title insurance also. I do not know how to determine the true ownership of cattle and other things.
Agree I was shocked that they parted with $1m with any due diligence. Did they buy cash or with a loan?
yeah even if you have the cash on hand....run it thru a bank (or lending institution) you can bet they'll check it all out when it's on their dime...just use ur cash (or whatever) as collateral.
Yes!
Delorean McClane DMC like the emblem on the front of the Delorean... We sold cars everywhere I went with Delorean. I never got paid, because I loved helping Delorean McClane sell his beautiful cars.
It was ITV Central which aired this documentary.
This does show how broken the legal system truly is, has been and forever will be....!!!!
You mean innocent until proven guilty? The government entrapped a man desperate to save a pretty much already dead company. They sought him out, they supplied the plan, they were given scripts to get him to do and say things that were more “drug dealer-esque”. He was innocent of those charges. Now his financial charges were a different story, all the evidence shows he did embezzle funds. And he was found guilty in that matter.
Absolutely fascinating!
Smooth Criminal 🧐 ♫
I never heard that side of his story before. Dude was quite the scam artist. I always loved the car since the first time I saw one in 1982 when I was about 13.
not really any different from any other CEO if you ask me - he just made the mistake of making enemies which is ostensibly why he got busted ... i'm sure lee iacocca's hands were MUCH dirtier
@@antigen4 He got busted because Hoffman set him up to clear his own name. Hoffman was a scum bag.
First lesson to learn in business: Get a good lawyer, and lawyer up at all times. Pinch pennies and you will end up with nothing in the end.
3:50
why does that lady remind me of a human version of granny from the squidbillies hahahahha
ionlyplaypubg 😂💀
OmG!! 🐙
Regarding the patents, if Delorean had gone about it in the right and decent way, he could have made much more out of it, but he was only interested in a quick buck.
This story is never ending.
I guess lights and cameras really do bring out the delusions of grander of brighter things to be that is always over the horizon in some ppl.
Whens this today in 2018?
As for the ranch - this can not get past a title company. They do a title search in the country where the property is located in. Where’s the title company?
Why wasn’t he in Lake Michigan earlier???? Feeding the fish ????
What a sad story. The poor folks who lost their ranch was especially poignant to hear. And Mrs. Deans story is sad as well….
It was a fascinating story at the time and thanks for posting this up, I have often wondered whatever happened to John DeLorean and his side kick Roy.
I also wondered when DeLorean might have first got into cocaine and becoming rather vain and full of himself would be clue #1 with the chin and nose job clue #2.
What's so amazing is that the British went along with it without checking up and it seems that the Reporter Hillel Levin was the first to do this.
Chapman and Fred Bushell have explaining to do as well. They are both guilty. I don't trust that Levin. JZD was not into cocaine, he was setup by scumbag Hoffman.
Well... Our Overseas Governors candidly felt his _antics_ was how us American Business Men rolled back then.
In the early 80's I was in California for a boat show. We were in the heavy freeway traffic, going slow, like normal LA rush hour.
We went past a Lincoln Town Car with a very tall, gray haired man getting arrested. My dad said "that looks like DeLorean" so we watched the news that evening and saw nothing about DeLorean.
However, later, we saw something about DeLorean getting arrested but we couldn't find out where, exactly, that happened or what he got arrested for. Back then, if you weren't paying attention to the news & only heard part of a story, that was it, you missed it unless it was a big enough story to be covered again. You couldn't rewind, you couldn't hop online to look for other sources etc. You could maybe find a newspaper but point is, if you missed a story or only heard part of it from the bathroom, it was a real pain in the butt to find out what you missed.
This was 82 or 83. It was after the cocaine arrest because I recall us thinking that he got busted for something else.
Anyways, there was no internet back then & I have been unable to verify anything he got arrested for other than the cocaine arrest.
Does anyone know if he got arrested for maybe violating his bond or something minor? DUI maybe?
I have always wondered if we did indeed see DeLorean get arrested, or did we just see some poor schmuck that happened to look like him getting popped for a DUI or something?
I Haven't found anything yet & it's not a big deal in that I don't really care is it was him or not. I am more interested in finding out if the internet can answer a 36+ year old question that we couldn't verify 36 years ago.
Anyone have any info? Can anyone point me in the direction that might lead to more info? Is there a book about him, or anything else that mentions any arrests other than the cocaine arrest?
traffic charges Classic car rescue also said about John was arrested drug trafficking
I recommend you watch "Framing John Delorean" for the answers. It's too complicated with too many details to elucidate in the comments section. All I'll say is his wife testified against him in the criminal trial after the cocaine thing.
Delorian cars were garbage. It matched him and his legacy well.
Hi y'all just jumping over here
Holy shit this documentary
yea
So they don’t have title companies in Montana?
yep, i wonder exactly what happened. I think some offer too good to be true was offered or something and the plaintiffs took a risky shortcut because they trusted in good faith. Also Delorean had to pay lawyers for the 16 times the plaintiffs managed to get going, i wonder how much he had to pay them.
It is unfortunate that the vast majority of decent people must spend money on such legal measures, to protect against the small percentage of @ssholes like DeLorean who cause the vast majority of theft and harm in the world. Laws are made because of useless scum like this, where decent people should just be able to rely on a handshake.
envy is worse than the greed.
Never trust a man whose rug doesn't match his curtains.
How do you know the rug doesn't match?
@@markrainford1219 rug ...hair
curtains... eyebrows.
Lol. If you say so.
yeah, but the rug really ties the room together!
he's got eyebrows like a Thunderbird
First of all, a juror who refuses to assess the evidence should be thrown off the jury. Secondly, the Judge was very remiss in not spelling out to them how the verdict would work if not unanimous. That's what a judge is for.
that is very weird, they go through all that effort for a trail, but somehow the jury is not aware of what happens if there is a disagreement between jurieers, and for the defendant to personally talk to a juror, is that allowed?,
Looks to me like the Judge and possibly a few jurors were paid off.
Apparently they didn't bother spending the few extra $$$ for title insurance though.
Never enter into a big deal without your own lawyer, and a good one.
2nd post: It almost reads like a plot for a TV show, except he would have been killed and somebody like Columbo would sort it out?
Have to agree Robbi. Delorean's story would make a great film with Brad Pitt in the lead role.
So close, but another of De Lorean's victims was a Cadillac Dealer in Wichita called Gerald W Dahlinger!
For what reason this my thinking of telsla brought me here
In a decade from now we can replace the name with Tesla
@@lankaat I agree Tesla is genius next to Delorean he has milked the US Gov for billions esp from DumbObama !!!
This is a real hit piece.
DeLorean is an example of the vacuousness of of USA morality that allowed Donald Trump to become Potus.
Dumbest comment on TH-cam. Congratulations.
Have you any more episodes of "Scandal" ? 🤔
At 48 Look at the lawyers eyes , truly grusome they really do appear to be swiveling in the sockets
Charles Dickens said " The law is an ass!"
Now put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!!
yep, if you middle man a drug deal with the expectation of reward it is entrapment. Drug war is a play on words.
"The Lord told me everything was going to be ok?"? Lol.... What a joke! What the hell is the matter with people?
Bernie Madoff, Mr. T, Jim Jones, Crazy Eddie Anton, Little Nero?...portrayed by the pizza delivery guy in Home Alone! LoL.
Why was there not a title search on the Ranch? That’s Real Estate 101. Did this guy not have a closing attorney? Was this a handshake deal??? I don’t get it.
It bewilders me when crooks "find God and morals" after they get caught and sent to prison.
It is really is inevitable, during solitary confinement.
@@MatthewTaylor3 Sometimes they genuinely do - but not always.
Jailhouse conversions NEVER last!!!
At about 50 minutes into the video, the "new evidence" based on the wife's testimony. Who's to say somebody didn't offer Mrs DeLorean a hundred million dollars to call her own on top of the millions she would get in a divorce settlement. Human greed Knows No Limits.
I felt bad for him, assuming he was framed / entrapped with that coke deal thing.... now I dont know
hairypolack, oh come on! Open your eyes! He’s a total POS that has no compunction lying and is totally slick and smooth. And the one jury member with moist panties wrecked the case. Should have been a hung jury at the very best.
@@mattkaustickomments I see all that NOW, I just didnt know all this other stuff before.
hairypolack Me either! But I’m just saying now, there is no “I don’t know...” about it.
@@mattkaustickomments ok agreed. peace out!
hairypolack ✌️
God to John in March 2005:
John, I've been expecting you. A few points I want to go over with you, 'this won't take long so no need to sit down.......................
No way of knowing without faith. Also you seem to be suggesting that God would hold one man accountable for the sins of a faulty man-made system. That takes a understanding of a complex concept known as accountability!
What a fine example of the American justice system
Most innovators are ego driven. Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, Elon Musk, etc.. They will never take no for an answer thank God. Most of the things we enjoy today would never exist without them. Henry Ford was the only American who received the Iron Cross from Adolph Hitler. He hung Ford’s photo above his desk.
I'm 5'9" or maybe 10". Anyone want to bet I could kick both of their tall asses at the same time? Predators like this make me fighting mad.
i snort this video without tomorrow
End of part one..... Already hooked on how bad this is it tarnishes Delorean Mcclane's good name
I have been blinded to De Lorean’s scandals due to the my being a Pontiac enthusiast, although I knew he got into trouble ,I never got the details till now.
I kinda feel ashamed.
Due diligence.
I'm so glad John was a saint and went to church.
What year was this made?
John Delorean would make a good Vice President for Donald Trump.
Every corporate system needs a Fall Guy to continue to be successful. Drug dealers understand the importance of a middleman. We're all products of our environment.
That poor family at the start was enough to detest him indefinitely.
The kind of guys you wish they would end up preferably under a bulldozer or a main battle tank. He changed his nose and chin, but forgot these Muppet-show-ish eyebrows. The guy couldn't even draw a coachwork that can be seen as a real classic. The man certainly was no Bill Mitchell or Roy Lonberger for sure. The American dream seems to be pretty much populated by damned crooks and sociopaths. Some dream !
WHERE IS PART TWO ??????
Awe the "born again Christian" The old standby for con men everywhere
The socially conscioussness is the tell
@Jack D Found the sucker.
@Jack D Never say "always".
Having researched John Delorean over the years and read numerous books on his life The Accolade of one of the most ruthless heartless Conman of The Twentieth Century. The amount of people's lives destroyed by his brazen embesselment and total disregard for common decency certainly portrays John Delorean as The Conman of the Twentieth Century........Let's hope he is not selling Dodgy Bibles in heaven.
@3:04...That's why we have title insurance companies. WTF, why wouldn't you get a title search on a transaction of that size? Cause it was an arms length deal, and you thought you were getting a deal.
Wasn't Christine on 700 Club?
Every attorney was right. People, if you buy land ask yourself this question: can I afford to throw this money into the wind tomorrow, walk away and laugh? If you can, I guess you don’t need an attorney because you have too much money. If the answer is “no” always get a survey, use a title company, buy title insurance and hire a lawyer who has more malpractice insurance than you’re spending. If you get ripped off by the seller, you sue those people and the seller. These poor folks relied on a bill of sale which is nothing more than Monopoly money to a pre-recorded lien. Pisses me off for them, but they never had a chance.
I wonder if Clark Higley (Person who bought the farm from Delorean) had title insurance search:
The out come would have been different?
title insurance would have insurance a clear tidal.
Maybe, Delarean presented his own made-up document of a clear title???
And the Higley's excepted in good faith?
From Gary R.N.
This video makes me wonder if he was responsible for the creation of the GTO or if that was a lie also.
Noneovyer Business, I believe he was. It was his disdain for following rules that was the spark for it - at the time Company Rules said “No big engines in medium size cars”. He and a couple other engineers got the Pontiac boss to sign off on the GTO though. Jim Wangers was the real marketing genius behind the car’s image though. DeLorean almost got a Pontiac 2-seat sports car called the Banshee approved - years before the Fiero or the Solstice. However he was blocked by Chevy brass because they felt it would bite into Corvette sales.
The Teflon John
Who the heck is Sandy Aigo?
If someone could've go back to the future would've been Mr. Delorean!
Why.....were so many people giving this man their patents for free?!
Excellent question.
If that is not the *reaction* of an *unprincipled bastard-* I don't know what is. _41:52_
The men were a pair of ruthless psychopaths.
What year is this from?
FYI, if you want to age a document just suspend it in a bath of Black tea 😁
An acquaintance of mine purchased a De lorean. I was stunned at how cheap the interior was , no get up and go i.e no horse power. I thought it was cr_p at 1st impression. Turns out De lorean was garbage - not surprised.
Well maybe if you realize it was made in the 80s, and not in the 21st century it would be different. People like you will always paint him as some sort of villain despite how much he's done for the industry.
If it wasn't for Back to the Future, The DeLorean would only be known as an over-priced piece of shit!
Surprised I didn’t see a connection with John DeLorean and Robert Maxwell 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♂️
A story similar to the Concord Airplane.... All the big money working against you and making you look like a criminal. A brilliant car and a brilliant airplane.
47:53 "Defence Lawyer" No name? I think that it is the recently deceased attorney Howard Weitzman.
John De Lorian was trash, period. Didn't even qualify to be a men. A true men lives up to it's word, he never did live up to his word. He simply didn't have a word. Walking, talking, eating "human" trash. The only thing he delivered was a piece of shit that he called a car that spent more time broken down than on the road. Luckily or unluckily the car only made success in the movies, "Back to the Future". And even there the car was always breaking down lol.