Awesome, awesome, awesome video! The hill at 7:00 was great. People who don't ride big bikes have no idea how challenging that stuff is (especially fully loaded.) Rock on!
Just ran across this. Fantastic, I did the White Rim Trail a few years back on a mountain bike before I got my GSA 1250. I have been thinking about doing it again on my GSA. I think you convinced me. I'm planning a ride cross country come this May, maybe I squeeze it in then. If you have a trip planed maybe we could coordinate something. A few of the BDR's are on my list as well....tell me what you think. Side note...the Hogback section, I happen to be driving our equipment truck when we came to that section....there is NO room to spare / NO room for error in a vehicle going up that section. Had to fold in the mirrors and really hug that wall on the right......S.F.A.
I am living out east until fall 2023. If you get east we can ride some of the Mid Atlantic BDR. I want to ride some of the NEBDR too, but taking time off from work this summer will be difficult. Hit me up if you get out here.
@@advmatt I'm originally from PA and will be making a stop there. There is a big GSA event in the Poconos' in the summer I plan to be at...also a new PA BDR
I rode the trail on October 21, 2021 on a KLR 650. Started off U279 into Shafer Rd.Best way to do it because at age 66 I was exhausted towards the end. The last 20 or so miles are dirt road, much welcome after a hard day!I hadn't been off highway in 20 years. I did it in 7.5 hours. Lost it on one steep hill with an immediate switchbak to the left-I was in the wrong gear. Had to back it down 800 feet or so, Most of the trail of easy but there are parts that require a lot of experience and skill.
Suprised Shafer took you 7.5 hours. That is insane. I have ridden that in half the time, at a reasonable speed with stoppuing along the way. I am spring chicken either...but better safe then sorry. Stay OUT of Kane Creek trail. I can tell you that much. Learned the hard way- made it but barely. I hope you were not injured. Moab it like that- beautiful but danger creeps up on you when you least expect it. Trip #7 coming up so I know this all too well!
That hogback trail you captured the steepness very well. I think intermediate plus is right. Unless I wake up as Chris Birch I think I'll pass since I ride alone. Great video
I live in Grand Junction, CO. I'm a little more than an hour from Moab and White Rim. Last year I rode it 5 times. I would hate riding it on a "big" bike. I have a 650 adventure bike and a 250 street legal dirt bike. The dirt bike is so much better than riding a bigger, heavier, less nimble bike. Not sure why you say "do it on a big bike". The 250 offers way more ability to handle the conditions and terrain. I know a "big bike" can do White Rim but if the opportunity allows you to do it on a "smaller" bike I would absolutely tell anyone to "do it on a "smaller bike".
I completely agree with you. When I filmed this I was into the big adventure bikes. There are many riders out there still riding these behemoths. I just wanted show what could be done. I have since switched to the KTM 390 Adventure, which has been so much more fun, and easier to ride. Light weight adventure bikes are golden ticket. I am jealous of the great riding you have right there! Cheers.
Hey Matt- cool video and nice bike. we made it out as far as Muscleman Arch- the first one on the rim. DId you do Chicken Corners, Hells Revenge, Long Canyon or Shafer Trail yet? If not, plan your return! We rented KTM's from Moab Tour Co. I did Kane Creek trail once. Once was enough- awesome ride by it got technical in a hurry. That's classic Moab for you. She starts out easy, then it gets hard and even harder to go back the way you came in. She let's you in- but rarely back out without a fight. We made it, but it was dark and we missed our return windown (they were closed.) Had to lift the bike over several completley unridable (for us at least) areas. Question- did you ever go down with those bags on? If so, did they offer you any protection? They looked so big, I thought they might protect you by keeping you from impacting the ground- always a good thing!
I never did go down with these bags so I can't speak for how well they would have protected me or the bike. I did ride Shaffer's Trail. I have done it several times. It's super cool, but I have not ridden much else out there besides White Rim. That area is really great. I have been down to Moki Dugway and Valley of the God's. Also a great area. Cheers and ride on!
@@advmatt Glad you stayed safe. We love Shaffer- did it ~4 times so far. Chicken Corners is my favorite. Never been to Moki or VotGods...yet! Did on this and keep the rubber side down! th-cam.com/video/3YLaeWBFMzA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8Pj1hbLuPFeSGwnM&t=2
I've ridden the Rim many times in the last 30 years. Average time 8 hrs. Fastest 6 hrs on my XR650 desert racer at speed. Slowest 12 hrs with large group of old guys. There is no gas, water, food or shade. Bring lots of water if you do it in heat. I've always ridden it in April, 30 to 70 degrees temps. Had rain and snow one time. It is very technical, deep sand, rock ledges next to a 800 cliff, boulders, wash outs, loose rock along with high speed rolling trail. Usually set base camp at Dead Horse Point state campground & roll out at 8am, come back by 6 pm. It's a required ride for the coveted Utah back country ADV pin along with the Pony Express run, Border ride, Transcontinental railroad loop and the Spine of Utah ride.
I use a music making app and mix all of my own music, so it's an original mix from a base song. I use Music Maker JAM and the loops I used were from the mix pack called Crazy Things.
@@AdventureTomek actually I came in from Potash Rd the wnet up Shaffer's Trail, and the back down to White Rim. I dont think it matters which direction you go, most people seem to clock wise. You will have challenges either direction. Enjoy it. It's getting hot there, be prepared, carry way more water than you think you should.
I'm jealous. Went to Canyonlands back in 2017. Didn't do White Rim at that time, but did enough riding around Moab. White Rim is on my list of places to ride in the future.
I was there back in 2017 with my 1290 R great roads but I started from the exit, I remember you have only big plastic portable bathroom and nothing more, waiting for some water emergency supplies, this place need one. Cheers
I was able to keep the bike up right. I am not sure what to tell you about taking your bike. If you have any apprehension maybe consider taking a smaller bike. There are some really challenging sections and steep sections.
@@ekrupa2 try taking an off road course. A good off road course will also help you with on road riding. I took a course where we started in the am on little 250's and in the afternoon used our Super Tenere's and 1200 Tigers. Take a look at Bret Tkacs's videos, but taking a course is the best way.
I did, I was supposed to meet a friend at the top who was driving a jeep. He broke down and had to go back to town so I headed back down for some rim camping.
Ich mag die Seitentaschen immer noch sehr. Der Platz ist perfekt, sie lassen sich leicht an- und ausziehen. Bisher halten sie sich gut für das Reiten, das ich mache. Vielen Dank. "I still really like the side pockets. The amount of space is perfect, they are easy to take on and off. So far they are holding up well for the riding I do. Thanks."
Nice! I hope to get there at somepoint, we just got back from a week in Colorado doing some passes there. Do you have to buy the trail pass ahead of time or can you pick it up while you are there?
We picked up camping permits which go on sale four to five months in advance. They usually sell out within 24 to 48 hours. I don't know about day passes. I suspect they will sell out just as quickly if they exist. The NP service tries to limit the number of people on the trail.
Park Service issues day use permits for 50 vehicles per day. You can get them online or you can go the Visitor Center to get walk-in permits for the next day. The Shafer Canyon Switchbacks are awesome, remarkably easy to ride and don't require a permit. It's outside the park boundary so if you are interested in getting some incredible drone video, the Shafer switchbacks is the spot. At the west end of the White Rim Trail is another dramatic canyon descent into the Green River at Mineral Bottom. www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisit/dayusepermits.htm
Matt, certainly one of the best videos! What a stunning spot. Like Mike Mills, I'm hoping to get out there at some point too and show you some of what Australia has to offer! Keep riding! Consider me subscribed!!
Great video, great info, great riding skills!
Thanks!
Awesome, im looking to do this soon.
On a small bike it will be fun. On a big bike it is challenging. You have choices on what kind of ride you want.
@@advmatt I think im going small so I can take in the scenery and not work so hard. Lol
Awesome, awesome, awesome video! The hill at 7:00 was great. People who don't ride big bikes have no idea how challenging that stuff is (especially fully loaded.) Rock on!
Thanks. It was an amazing ride, highly recommended.
@@advmatt I will be there in two months!
@@adventuremulemoto perfect time to be there.
Great work Matt. I AM inspired!
Just ran across this. Fantastic, I did the White Rim Trail a few years back on a mountain bike before I got my GSA 1250. I have been thinking about doing it again on my GSA. I think you convinced me. I'm planning a ride cross country come this May, maybe I squeeze it in then. If you have a trip planed maybe we could coordinate something. A few of the BDR's are on my list as well....tell me what you think. Side note...the Hogback section, I happen to be driving our equipment truck when we came to that section....there is NO room to spare / NO room for error in a vehicle going up that section. Had to fold in the mirrors and really hug that wall on the right......S.F.A.
I am living out east until fall 2023. If you get east we can ride some of the Mid Atlantic BDR. I want to ride some of the NEBDR too, but taking time off from work this summer will be difficult. Hit me up if you get out here.
@@advmatt I'm originally from PA and will be making a stop there. There is a big GSA event in the Poconos' in the summer I plan to be at...also a new PA BDR
I rode the trail on October 21, 2021 on a KLR 650. Started off U279 into Shafer Rd.Best way to do it because at age 66 I was exhausted towards the end. The last 20 or so miles are dirt road, much welcome after a hard day!I hadn't been off highway in 20 years. I did it in 7.5 hours. Lost it on one steep hill with an immediate switchbak to the left-I was in the wrong gear. Had to back it down 800 feet or so, Most of the trail of easy but there are parts that require a lot of experience and skill.
Well done. There are some tricky bits on the trail.
Suprised Shafer took you 7.5 hours. That is insane. I have ridden that in half the time, at a reasonable speed with stoppuing along the way. I am spring chicken either...but better safe then sorry. Stay OUT of Kane Creek trail. I can tell you that much. Learned the hard way- made it but barely. I hope you were not injured. Moab it like that- beautiful but danger creeps up on you when you least expect it. Trip #7 coming up so I know this all too well!
Great video Matt !!! I rode this trail on my birthday two years ago together with my wife (2up - CRF1000L Africa Twin). So much fun :-)
Two up, impressive!
@@advmatt my wife is really brave, or crazy. lol. I have a video of this ride on my TH-cam if you want to watch it.
@@swegotech8466 I'll check it out.
That hogback trail you captured the steepness very well. I think intermediate plus is right. Unless I wake up as Chris Birch I think I'll pass since I ride alone. Great video
It was really challenging. No room for mistakes.
I live in Grand Junction, CO. I'm a little more than an hour from Moab and White Rim. Last year I rode it 5 times. I would hate riding it on a "big" bike. I have a 650 adventure bike and a 250 street legal dirt bike. The dirt bike is so much better than riding a bigger, heavier, less nimble bike. Not sure why you say "do it on a big bike". The 250 offers way more ability to handle the conditions and terrain. I know a "big bike" can do White Rim but if the opportunity allows you to do it on a "smaller" bike I would absolutely tell anyone to "do it on a "smaller bike".
I completely agree with you. When I filmed this I was into the big adventure bikes. There are many riders out there still riding these behemoths. I just wanted show what could be done. I have since switched to the KTM 390 Adventure, which has been so much more fun, and easier to ride. Light weight adventure bikes are golden ticket. I am jealous of the great riding you have right there! Cheers.
Hey Matt- cool video and nice bike. we made it out as far as Muscleman Arch- the first one on the rim. DId you do Chicken Corners, Hells Revenge, Long Canyon or Shafer Trail yet? If not, plan your return! We rented KTM's from Moab Tour Co. I did Kane Creek trail once. Once was enough- awesome ride by it got technical in a hurry. That's classic Moab for you. She starts out easy, then it gets hard and even harder to go back the way you came in. She let's you in- but rarely back out without a fight. We made it, but it was dark and we missed our return windown (they were closed.) Had to lift the bike over several completley unridable (for us at least) areas.
Question- did you ever go down with those bags on? If so, did they offer you any protection? They looked so big, I thought they might protect you by keeping you from impacting the ground- always a good thing!
I never did go down with these bags so I can't speak for how well they would have protected me or the bike. I did ride Shaffer's Trail. I have done it several times. It's super cool, but I have not ridden much else out there besides White Rim. That area is really great. I have been down to Moki Dugway and Valley of the God's. Also a great area. Cheers and ride on!
@@advmatt Glad you stayed safe. We love Shaffer- did it ~4 times so far. Chicken Corners is my favorite. Never been to Moki or VotGods...yet! Did on this and keep the rubber side down! th-cam.com/video/3YLaeWBFMzA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8Pj1hbLuPFeSGwnM&t=2
I've ridden the Rim many times in the last 30 years. Average time 8 hrs. Fastest 6 hrs on my XR650 desert racer at speed. Slowest 12 hrs with large group of old guys. There is no gas, water, food or shade. Bring lots of water if you do it in heat.
I've always ridden it in April, 30 to 70 degrees temps. Had rain and snow one time. It is very technical, deep sand, rock ledges next to a 800 cliff, boulders, wash outs, loose rock along with high speed rolling trail. Usually set base camp at Dead Horse Point state campground & roll out at 8am, come back by 6 pm. It's a required ride for the coveted Utah back country ADV pin along with the Pony Express run, Border ride, Transcontinental railroad loop and the Spine of Utah ride.
Do you really need a permit? thanks
We did it in a single day on motorcycles! th-cam.com/video/Iibj3IR3sLM/w-d-xo.html This trail is epic!
I watched your video. Looked a lot easier on unloaded bikes. It is an epic trail.
@@advmatt I'd love to go back and spend the night 1/2 way. So FUN!
Seems like a good place for your 390? , thanks
For sure, and I want to give it a go when I get the time.
10:30 music?
Not sure about the question. Artist or choice?
@@advmatt Name of the song
I use a music making app and mix all of my own music, so it's an original mix from a base song. I use Music Maker JAM and the loops I used were from the mix pack called Crazy Things.
@@advmatt Okay thanks, have a nice day
Did this on my vstrom 1000. One thing is let air pressure down to 18 makes a huge difference on traction
Nice!😊
We’re you traveling from the visitor Center side?
That should take you down Shaffer's Trail to the start of White Rim.
@@advmatt is that the route you took?
Juts curious if it makes any difference if I start at either end.
@@AdventureTomek actually I came in from Potash Rd the wnet up Shaffer's Trail, and the back down to White Rim. I dont think it matters which direction you go, most people seem to clock wise. You will have challenges either direction. Enjoy it. It's getting hot there, be prepared, carry way more water than you think you should.
@@advmatt 👍🏼 thanks for the info , goin this weekend..
Nice video. I think it's arguably one of the best National Parks. I was there in June but my ECU decided to have a failure.
Thanks, bummer trip. Make sure you get back there.
I'm jealous. Went to Canyonlands back in 2017. Didn't do White Rim at that time, but did enough riding around Moab. White Rim is on my list of places to ride in the future.
I was there back in 2017 with my 1290 R great roads but I started from the exit, I remember you have only big plastic portable bathroom and nothing more, waiting for some water emergency supplies, this place need one. Cheers
Double Love! I've done it Twice now, Once on a R1150GSA and a KLR650....I was worn out on the 1150 and in one day....
Nice work, that is a big effort. Once was enough for me on The Beast.
Great video Matt. Question- did you ever go down? I have a Tiger 1200 XCA but thinking that’s not the right bike to do this trail at my skill level.
I was able to keep the bike up right. I am not sure what to tell you about taking your bike. If you have any apprehension maybe consider taking a smaller bike. There are some really challenging sections and steep sections.
ADV Matt yes looking at the KTM rental place in Salt lake. Trying to plan for September like you did.
@@ekrupa2 try taking an off road course. A good off road course will also help you with on road riding. I took a course where we started in the am on little 250's and in the afternoon used our Super Tenere's and 1200 Tigers. Take a look at Bret Tkacs's videos, but taking a course is the best way.
You went up Schafer switchbacks then went back down to start the white rim trail?
I did, I was supposed to meet a friend at the top who was driving a jeep. He broke down and had to go back to town so I headed back down for some rim camping.
Wie haben sich die Seitentaschen bewährt ? Immer noch zufrieden ? Danke für die Antwort im voraus und Grüsse aus der Schweiz ....
Ich mag die Seitentaschen immer noch sehr. Der Platz ist perfekt, sie lassen sich leicht an- und ausziehen. Bisher halten sie sich gut für das Reiten, das ich mache. Vielen Dank. "I still really like the side pockets. The amount of space is perfect, they are easy to take on and off. So far they are holding up well for the riding I do. Thanks."
Nice! I hope to get there at somepoint, we just got back from a week in Colorado doing some passes there. Do you have to buy the trail pass ahead of time or can you pick it up while you are there?
We picked up camping permits which go on sale four to five months in advance. They usually sell out within 24 to 48 hours. I don't know about day passes. I suspect they will sell out just as quickly if they exist. The NP service tries to limit the number of people on the trail.
Park Service issues day use permits for 50 vehicles per day. You can get them online or you can go the Visitor Center to get walk-in permits for the next day. The Shafer Canyon Switchbacks are awesome, remarkably easy to ride and don't require a permit. It's outside the park boundary so if you are interested in getting some incredible drone video, the Shafer switchbacks is the spot. At the west end of the White Rim Trail is another dramatic canyon descent into the Green River at Mineral Bottom. www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisit/dayusepermits.htm
@@noyopacific thanks for providing information on day passes.
Matt, certainly one of the best videos! What a stunning spot. Like Mike Mills, I'm hoping to get out there at some point too and show you some of what Australia has to offer! Keep riding! Consider me subscribed!!