Reminds me of years ago firing a Marshall boiler at Kew Bridge with scrap wood ... you had to keep an eye on the water level and adjust the pressure to the feed pump ... and try and build up a goodly amount of pressure before they started up the 90'' beam engine. All surprisingly good fun !
Hi, I recommend what I found teaming my custom 5 inch gauge steam engine is to start by lighting a old thin rag soaked in white spirits in the firebox and then put a whole lot of soft wood soaked in white spirit on top.
I fitted a fusible plug to my model traction and one occasion it was needed due a false water gauge reading. I was surprised how effective it was in putting out the fire. Best wishes
I was at Loughborough station last year and was watching an engine fire up down by the sheds. Before it started moving the drain cocks were opened for quite some time. eventually it steamed past with it's drain cocks still open (about half a mile of travel) and left the station to the south with the drain cocks still open. I'm guessing that it takes quite some time to heat full size cylinders, that or the engineer forgot they were open.
That seems a bit excessive to run for that distance, but full size cylinders do take a while to heat up. Occasionally they can get stuck so they can't be fully closed.
Steam oil is a special very dense viscous oil used to lubricate steam engine cylinders. It is fed in with the steam by either a Mechanical or Displacement Lubricator.
Hi Kieth, great video. What size is the small welsh steam coal that you used at first to light the fire and where did you get it from as it is the size of coal I need for a engine.
What a luverly pair of 5As, I have longed for a pair of them for years. I meet a fellow at a steam show back in the 70s that was working on a pair that he was building a launch for, unfortunately I have lost contact with him. Do you have any idea what size boiler would suit a pair installed in a 25' launch?
What are the advantages of using coal over oil or gas fired boilers? I've noticed that all your boilers are of the fire tube type. Does anyone make a water tube style boiler for use in model steam service? Thank you and a merry Christmas to you and a healthy new year
With talk of hydrogen as a potential green fuel... I've wondered about firing by hydrogen...fairly much like the somewhat obscure "internal combustion boiler" from 1927 (Google search for " internal combustion boiler douglas self" should land you at the correct page of a very interesting Web page covering all kinds of historic and obscure technologies. Though if I'm honest the idea of attempting to burn hydrogen stoicometrically with oxygen, under boiler pressure does kind of scare me.
Keith does anyone make a condenser for the small steam engines? I know running in a total loss mode is normal but was just thinking it would make for an interesting steam plant if they did!
How big of a boiler do you think you would need to power this engine? I think it may be my favorite of yours! Absolutely wonderful mechanical device. Thanks for all your hard work!
Have figured out way of construct a simple electronic sight glass.. Bit of aluminium rod running through an insulating bush, through a pipe T and then down through a pipe.... Annodize the aluminium, electrically ground the copper.. And the connection to the alu becomes a capacitor with a value that varies according to how far rod pokes into water. 555 timer or similar to produce variable frequency pulses. Frequency relates to water level. High or low pass filter if want a trip point for sounding a buzzer, opening a solenoid valve to activate water feed pump or such like. Arduino or similar if more complex stuff wanted. Per boilers for larger engines. Now if only I could figure how to get an aluminium wire down the inside of coilled copper without it touching the copper until after it was anodised... I'd have a simple way of controlling water lever within a a monotube aka flash steam boiler. Far lower risk of dangerous failure, Far easier to match water feed to steam consumption etc.
A somewhat more extreme idea I've had... Consider an oxyhydrogen blow torch. Could probably be constructable to function at boiler lever pressures. The flame would be steam that's disossiated due to the temperatures. Way above temperatures model engines usually run at.. Indeed likely to melt engines even if made of the best alloys available atm. A solution? Condense steam from the engines exhaust. And spray inject just after boiler. how every much condensate required to bring temps down to manageable levels. All heat from combustion goes through engine. No boiler either.
All very interesting, but unless your using the steam engine to do some kind of actual work, like running a mini mill or something, even just turning a fan...what's the point?
Reminds me of years ago firing a Marshall boiler at Kew Bridge with scrap wood ... you had to keep an eye on the water level and adjust the pressure to the feed pump ... and try and build up a goodly amount of pressure before they started up the 90'' beam engine.
All surprisingly good fun !
Thanks again kieth greetings from Ireland
Thanks for watching {:-)))
Hi, I recommend what I found teaming my custom 5 inch gauge steam engine is to start by lighting a old thin rag soaked in white spirits in the firebox and then put a whole lot of soft wood soaked in white spirit on top.
First time watching and you sound like someone who narrated Thomas and friends. Loved the vid
Merry Christmas to you. Stay Healthy.
And to you also {:-)))
It is brilliant just watching boiler build up steam
Such a glorious cacophony!
I fitted a fusible plug to my model traction and one occasion it was needed due a false water gauge reading. I was surprised how effective it was in putting out the fire. Best wishes
U don't know if this engine has one, I must use my phone and take a photograph up inside the firebox.
Lovely. So satisfying watching this run.
Thank you, Mr. Appleton. That was a delight.
I was at Loughborough station last year and was watching an engine fire up down by the sheds. Before it started moving the drain cocks were opened for quite some time. eventually it steamed past with it's drain cocks still open (about half a mile of travel) and left the station to the south with the drain cocks still open. I'm guessing that it takes quite some time to heat full size cylinders, that or the engineer forgot they were open.
That seems a bit excessive to run for that distance, but full size cylinders do take a while to heat up. Occasionally they can get stuck so they can't be fully closed.
Sometimes they do that for the "loads of steam" effect }:-)))
Good Stuff!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it }:-)))
Thank you
Ah! Now I know. Thanks for the information
Keith u have invented a time machine steam powered i assume
The steam powered Flux Capacitor was indeed very difficult to make . . . . }:-)))
Exellent video and work thank you sir.
Glad you enjoyed it {:-)))
Fantastic video Keith.
It was very interesting.
Also could you make a video on how to steam up a mamod TE1A on coal please?
A Mamod is a just small low pressure steam toy. Coal firing is totally impractical . . . .
I do not know anything about these lovely engines so I asked what is steam oil.
Steam oil is a special very dense viscous oil used to lubricate steam engine cylinders. It is fed in with the steam by either a Mechanical or Displacement Lubricator.
Nice
Hi Kieth, great video. What size is the small welsh steam coal that you used at first to light the fire and where did you get it from as it is the size of coal I need for a engine.
"Beans" size and I got some from Simon at The Steam Workshop.
@@keithappleton thanks
What a luverly pair of 5As, I have longed for a pair of them for years. I meet a fellow at a steam show back in the 70s that was working on a pair that he was building a launch for, unfortunately I have lost contact with him. Do you have any idea what size boiler would suit a pair installed in a 25' launch?
The Twin would need a big boiler, 3 feet by 2 feet at a guess (Fire tube type)
What are the advantages of using coal over oil or gas fired boilers? I've noticed that all your boilers are of the fire tube type. Does anyone make a water tube style boiler for use in model steam service? Thank you and a merry Christmas to you and a healthy new year
It follows full size practice . . .
With talk of hydrogen as a potential green fuel... I've wondered about firing by hydrogen...fairly much like the somewhat obscure "internal combustion boiler" from 1927 (Google search for " internal combustion boiler douglas self" should land you at the correct page of a very interesting Web page covering all kinds of historic and obscure technologies.
Though if I'm honest the idea of attempting to burn hydrogen stoicometrically with oxygen, under boiler pressure does kind of scare me.
@@keithappleton Thank you, I thought that may be the case
Keith does anyone make a condenser for the small steam engines? I know running in a total loss mode is normal but was just thinking it would make for an interesting steam plant if they did!
Not really, they are easy enough to make anyway. Please watch more of my videos, I show how to make them in a few.
@@keithappleton Looking forward to seeing that and thank you!
Keith do you no much about SEL - signalling Equipment Ltd Steam Engines and if you do can you make a vidoo on them please
I haven't got one and I don't work much with small steam toys.
Try what is referred to as a white mans match, a propane plumbing torch.
How many horsepower does that twin 5A engine produce Keith?
Just one Stuart 5A delivers 1.5 HP at 80PSI
@@keithappleton That's powerful for it's size, brilliant for a launch.
wonder how big of a boiler for a twin 5a to run proper?
I would thing about 3 feet in diameter and maybe 4 feet tall.
@@keithappleton that big wow
Yes you need the capacity otherwise the boiler is just being constantly filled it it's too small.
How big of a boiler do you think you would need to power this engine? I think it may be my favorite of yours! Absolutely wonderful mechanical device. Thanks for all your hard work!
I would thing about 3 feet in diameter and maybe 4 feet tall.
Have figured out way of construct a simple electronic sight glass.. Bit of aluminium rod running through an insulating bush, through a pipe T and then down through a pipe.... Annodize the aluminium, electrically ground the copper.. And the connection to the alu becomes a capacitor with a value that varies according to how far rod pokes into water. 555 timer or similar to produce variable frequency pulses. Frequency relates to water level. High or low pass filter if want a trip point for sounding a buzzer, opening a solenoid valve to activate water feed pump or such like. Arduino or similar if more complex stuff wanted.
Per boilers for larger engines.
Now if only I could figure how to get an aluminium wire down the inside of coilled copper without it touching the copper until after it was anodised... I'd have a simple way of controlling water lever within a
a monotube aka flash steam boiler. Far lower risk of dangerous failure, Far easier to match water feed to steam consumption etc.
}:-)))
A somewhat more extreme idea I've had... Consider an oxyhydrogen blow torch. Could probably be constructable to function at boiler lever pressures. The flame would be steam that's disossiated due to the temperatures. Way above temperatures model engines usually run at.. Indeed likely to melt engines even if made of the best alloys available atm. A solution? Condense steam from the engines exhaust. And spray inject just after boiler. how every much condensate required to bring temps down to manageable levels. All heat from combustion goes through engine. No boiler either.
The Pozidrive on the door looks out of place.
Please tell the manufacturer that .......
what whistle is that ??
a 4 way Chime Whistle
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Steam oil?
Steam oil? - what is your question?
All very interesting, but unless your using the steam engine to do some kind of actual work, like running a mini mill or something, even just turning a fan...what's the point?
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