2.0t TSI Turbo Rattle and WasteGate Issue
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ส.ค. 2016
- Brad asked about the Anti Rattle Clip on the 2.0t TSI turbos. Will this fix the waste gate issues? The short answer is no. The clip fixes a rattle in a different spot than waste gate failure.
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Just changed myself, took 2 mins, having front tyres changed and asked while in the air to have a look from the underside, there's two 16mm bolts to remove the down pipe heatsheild and you can see the arm tucked away but can feed hand to push clip on - massive difference gone from a tin of stones to silent
Thanks for your insight bro. I have a Audi A3 2.0TFSI with a rattling wastegate and also sometimes it gives me a underboost fault code. Atleast thanks to your video it's clear where the issue lies.
Did the clip help clear the code? Or just fixed the noise?
So if you had the problem on a 20v 1.8t turbo you could just crank the wastegate tighter a few threads and snug things up. But in this case the wastegate flapper preload isn’t adjustable?
Good stuff Charles, thanks.
My question is is it normal for air to leak out where the hinge moves on the turbo?
Very clear info, good job!
Hey +HumbleMechanic i have a 2012 vw tiguan tsi le, and a 2012 vw beetle with the 2.5 I5. I recently purchased a VAG COM scanner from Xtool to clear the airbag light on the tiguan because i was messing around and unplugged the indicator while it was running. no big deal its fine now. MY question is what do i need to look out for on both cars the bettle has 25,000k and the tiguan 50,000k? i know the intake mani on the tsi will most likely fail but are 2012's at risk for the chain tensioner? Im a Mercedes mechanic and have several ase's. Id love to do more work on my vw's and your videos are a godsend. Thankyou! also the tiguan is on its 2nd water pump, i saw your video explaining why. Brings me back to the days of my 1.8T that ate a head because of the plastic impeller waterpump.
can i use it also for a BMW Z4 e89 2.0? they told me at bmw that i have to replace the whole turbo to fix the problem
Does this affect the Golf GTD, as i get a vibration from what i thought was the gear box at about 3000rpm then goes off...thanks
Boss!!! Thank You for your help. Keep up the great work.
I've got a 2010 leon fr with the 2.0 tsi. Is there supposed to be a circlip or anything where the actuator rod meets the turbo. I had mine completely separate itself from the turbo
what about putting a coil in the wastegate and fix the coil somewhere?
Hi, I have this problem with my audi a5 2011 2.0 tfsi. So are you saying that the clip solves the problem?. I have took the car to the garage and they have told me I need new turbo even though they said the turbo is good and works very well. But to be able to fix that rattle noise the whole turbo would have to be replaced.!!. With a problem like this does it mean that potentially the turbo can go in the future?
is play in the wastegate what would cause a oil leak in the wastegate/turbo ? which would need a turbo replacement
Hey Humblemechanic, love your channel. Very informative. Thanks. Any tips where I can buy one of these clips? Thanks
Thanks so much. You can get them from the dealer. They usually stock them.
What was the mileage of that car? thank you.
Oh awesome you did a video on the clip too!
My 2016 1.8 wastegate looks different and where would I put the clip?
hi where can i get this clip?
What about P00AF? I have it only when car is cold... in very low rpm
Hello I have seat leom mk2 1.4tsi where buy this clip?could you help me with name of the clip?thanks
will this work on a 1.0L TSI engine that has the same rattling issue?
Is there a solution for audi a3 1.8t tfsi 2014?
Will this work for 2016 Ford Fusion 1.5 turbo?
Hello HumbleMechanic.
Could you help me with issue I have. I have a 1.8 tfsi CABD engine and when I start up the car when engine is cold, my engine sound weird. The sound is not loud but I can hear it. Also sometimes there is little bit white smoke when there is 15 celsius outside. If it is colder then it is more smoke. My coolant level doesn't change. Also when I drive at around 2.000 rpm if I let off the gas peddal there is like tktktktk noise I can hear but it is really quiet. Is it possible pcv system could be the issue? Now when at idle with hot engine if I open oil cap there is little pressure inside I think. That could explain little oil escaping from left side of the engine (exhaust side). Leak is not that big since oil level changes in mmi 1/4 every 6.000km.
Any input would be great. I have obdeleven so I can do some test if you can suggest any.
Where can you buy the clip?
Would a forge wastegate be ideal on an fsi with giac "stage 2"?
My scirocco sounds like it rattles/ticking but only when letting off the throttle. Not at idle or steady rpm. Idk if this is a problem or not, no error codes.
Charles will this work on the Mk7 ?
Thank you
Is it compatible with 1.2 TSI CBZ engine?
Is there no preload regulation on this rod? Old 90s VW 1.8 k03 turbos has nuts on wg rod to adjust preload. Adjusting preload helps to get rid this gate valve play.
albi2k88 doesn't look like it does there. Wow. I just adjusted the preload slightly on my k03 in my longitudal 1.8t to get a little more life out of the turbo and stop the rattle and it's boosting like a beast now and silent. I'm starting to really love my aeb 1.8t. It has had synthetic oil all it's life and Mann filters and it's very fun to tune on with the drive by cable setup. I'm currently running 18psi with a reflect tune and a WOT box for my no lift shifts. Cheap car and a blast to drive.
Hey Charles! How about changing the wastegate actuator to aftermarket actuator like Turbosmart, which has an adjustable screws? Thanks in advance!
What kind of aftermarket product would fix this issue? Blow off valve, or new wastegate? I want to fix the problem with the turbo, not just make the noise stop. I have a MK7 GTi. Thanks!!
Clayton Schuster have you had any success fixing this issue?
I recently received a wastegate flapper repair kit I purchased on Amazon, and I`ve decided that while I`m replacing the flapper and bushing, I`m going to cut the end of the actuator arm off and thread it, then install a female rod end bearing on the end of the actuator arm. With a rod end bearing bolted solidly to the flapper lever, the pivot would be in the bearing which I think would be much beefier than the original setup and hopefully much less prone to wear. A silicone sleeve or bellows covering the entire area of the pivot would keep the bearing clean and dry. What do you think Charles......does this sound like a feasible cure for the actuator rattle problem?
I have this clip fitted and it fixed the rattle on acceleration, but i get the rattle on deceleration. I have read others said it is still the actuator arm rattling and only way to fix this, is by replacing the turbo?
Thanks in advance.
I have heard of guys bending the bracket to fix it. Seems temporary to me, but may be worth a shot
i have the same issue with my 1.0 TSI Engine. Cold Start rattles like hell
my man doin shorts in 2016 seein the future
Please help! My 2012 CC turbo at certain times makes a noise like a referee's whistle. If I hit the gas hard, the noise goes away. Could this noise be what your video is about?
Usually it’s the PCV or sometimes a water pump. But that’s rare
Is this an OEM replacement or a generic aftermarket? I ask you this because there is normally a great difference in quality.
+torre1976 Vs oem part
Anti- rattle clip installed and only worked for a month then rattle returned (a little at first then got worse). What’s next step in resolution?
Sadly it’s probably a turbo. :(
Thanks for the video! Question: does this issue apply to the 1.8 tsi as well?
No it doesnt
It could do! I have mk3 1.4 tsi and it has play also
no they have revised wastegate actuator arm.
Big fan of the channel. Wife's car 2018 audi q3 (last year ccta engine for q3) with 48k kilometers. Got the p0299 code. Went to dealer under warranty and had the turbo replaced. Now I get the wastgate rattle from 2-3k rpm. Dealer says it's normal. I called b.s. Asked to go for a ride with the service manager he agreed he hears the noise and claims normal boosting sounds. Drove another q3 on the lot didn't make the noise. Service manager claims its the turbo manifold noise, and will go away after it carbons up. They won't do anytime and I'm stuck. Do you recommend I try this clip? The car never ever rattled from new between 2-3k rpm. Only now after changing turbo. Have to escalate now with audi canada. Do you know if this clip came installed on q3s from the factory? Thanks in advance for any insight.
Cheers!
Try the clip! And what he said seems so wrong lol.
Can you tell me the serial number of this part
ok cool.. so how do I fix it without having to buy another turbo?
You can try the clip, but it would require machining to properly repair with out replacement
I have put one on both a scirocco mk3 and a golf gti mk5 and it works
Unkept Northern Bloke where can i find one of these clips?
Will this cause problems if I plan on running a pro tune and stage 2
Yes. You’re asking for more boost and the waste gate will be problematic on stock cars!
Thanks for the video! I recently went to a service and they told me my wastegate is the problem of the low boost pressure error on a 2.0 TSI Scirocco. Can I change only the wastegate or the only option is to replace the whole turbo charger? Thanks!
I having budget issues with my car. I want to know the same question. If I can replace only the wastegate. If so, would safe tons of money
You are able to replace wastegate only! It requires a wastegate kit from eBay as well as access to a Grinder and welder. You need to grind the existing weld off the top of the wastegate arm. then you can Take the wastegate and arm out, then weld in the new wastegate and arm.
@@YourAverageGamerRD yes you can only replace wastegate
I did it on my car.
Any solution you recommend? And would the clip help with the rattle heard on the current mk7 turbo wastegate rods as well?
+Jon Baik I don't know about the mk7. I'll took at one today.
If I owned a CCTA/CBFA I'd put the clip on and hope it helped prevent. But I am most sure it will
+HumbleMechanic awesome. Appreciate it!
solution is simple.. but you'll have to pay me :)
hello I owned 2012 vw 2.0 tsi Tiguan 4motion automatic (non DSG)
I want to upgrade my turbo to APR K04
is this possible ?
Is there a danger to the gearbox?
please answer to my question
No problem
My turbo problem is that when i accelerate above 4k rpm the turbo stop working suddenly i cant know why
VW Up! GTI yes!
Hey HumbleMechanic, I've heard that you can bend the actual actuator rod to create a tighter fit and eliminate the wastegate rattle - - is that true, or will it kill the turbo?
I’ve heard that too. If the end result either way is turbo replacement, it’s worth a shot
First time I got the code in 2016 I just replaced the Turbo. (Which really isnt too hard with proper tools/save you time) but at 250k miles it popped up again. I just bent the rod and all has been OK for the last year/25k miles. Ill replace it once it pops up again but would hate spending a grand on a car worth 500 bucks lmao. Its a great commuter car though and has been Apr stg 2 tuned since 25k miles back in 2011.
@@roshaanqaisar remove airbox, use pry bar and bend the acuator rod towards you. (This is a temporary fix although lasting quite awhile now) i bent it just a little at a time until I drove it and didnt hear a rattle while down shifting. *towards you and away from the engine
@@roshaanqaisar yeah, just bend it slowly. You can hop on audizine forumns and see if someone has a stock K03 turbo lying around. Usually pick them up for 300 used plus 70 in new hardware. And first time install usually take 6 hours. Good luck sir
@@roshaanqaisar halfway/in the middle. Another thing people do is cut the rod, thread the rod on both ends, then put a treaded female coupler on it (connecting both rods together again) that way you can adjust it as time wears it out again. Read some threads on audizine regarding it.
Will this affect going to a stage one tune
Nope Iv got stage two ( stock turbo ) and this clip :)
I have the same problem, and this solution not works because the clip loosens after every days...
does this problem gives you an engine check light ? i did made a check and the dude said it is the wastegate
Yes it can
Hi. So I got this underboost codes popping up a couple of weeks ago. Today I found out that the rod that goes to the wastegate has completely broken off in the middle. I have pictures I can send you for you to understand better. I don't know if the actual wastegate is rattling, right not it's definitely the rod. English isn't my mother tongue, so it's hard to explain with words. My question is, is this repairable or not? If so, is it a DIY??
Email me the pics. Charles@humblemechanic(dot)com
Have you solved this issue in the meanwhile? my GTI has the exact same issue.
Hey m8! Is it possible to just put an big c clip of some sort?
Yes but I don’t think that solves the issue when it gets to the point of a MIL
@@HumbleMechanic hm. Yesterday i installed a gfb dv+ , my old was broken ( the rubber). But with the new dv on I noticed that the wastegate rattle is gone when I decrease. I only hear it now when the car standing still and i rev up to 3000+ then let go of the pedal. I read that this dv keeps a small amount off pressure to get a better throttle response. Now the car feels much more "direct" to move when you gas. Before it had to rev for like a second before it moved. Hope my broken English isn't to hard to understand 😁 but maybe this is a fix for the rattle? And now I only hear the rattle from the arm? Well I hope so 😊
You know, if the rattle is minor, meaning just the play in the wastegate, the problem can be resolved without a new turbo. Especially since all it takes is a $6.00 spring assortment from Pep Boys and a little time with some dremel bits. All I did was dremel a hole through the wastegate arm, attach a spring between that and the wastegate actuator.
Bonus is it increases the boost a few pounds, but otherwise acts stock.
Saved me a few thousand dollars getting the same crap engineering with a new turbo that's going to do the same thing again...and chances are the car will be sold before the turbo itself actually dies.
hey just wondering if you managed to have any photos of what you did to fix the rattle.
Hmmmm. Wonder if I could Jerry rig a spring on temporarily to pass emissions.. to buy some time to have to fork out the $ for a new turbo.
Is this the K04 turbo? How is the issue rectified? New Wastegate? New turbo?
no this is the stock IHI turbo on a 2.0 TSI. The only fix is to get a new turbo, its a crapshoot if youre wastegate is going to fail. Be nice to the car and keep up with maintenance...
Ok so, what turbo should I go with say for 1500$
One old time remedy is mig wire wrapped and cross tied with pliers around the loosened parts, only hearsay but I’m down to try that before I blow my load on another turbo 😏
hey charles, any suggestions for sealing a leaky elbow connector on the wiper washer pump of a mkv jetta? the pump pressure tends to push the connector away, and open the leak between the single flange outlet on the pump and the sliding clip point of the elbow connector.
Had
guys would really appreciate a reply on this, I need one for the KO3 Turbo as this clip is made for Ko4 turbos and when i tried to install it on mine I had a small gap as it was big.
Any solution???????
pls help ... car is Seat Leon FR (KO3 turbo, BWA engine)
Did you find solution for this ? Mine golf 5 gti tfsi AXX
@@user-bk2zj1rd4c couldn't find a clip for K03 turbo, i do have the same engine and turbo as yours... let me know if you found one man
@@nadimezzeddine1375 didnt but my actuator was totaly destroyed and turbo started leaking. So the whole turbo went for repair cost me around 1500euros
This was an IS20 right? I've seen on forums that this is just "how its designed" and only the "IS38 turbo's wastegate seals perfectly tight" like whaaat?
I just recently upgraded my downpipe on my mk7 16 GTI and I noticed that I did indeed have a spinning loose jiggly waste gate and am still under warrenty and throw no codes. I hope my VW dealer is willing to fix me up with my turbo inlet pipe, turbo muffler (which i might revert to stock for those) intake, intercooler, and downpipe upgrades... not once tuned. Though i can recall hearing this rattle on the ride home from buying as it was used at 16k miles I have now confirmed that the rattle has made its way to the wastegate itself upon stock downpipe removal.
Mike - How loud is your rattle when you noticed it? After going with a turboback on my MK6, I'm now hearing a loud rattle whenever I touch the gas (exhaust isn't hitting any heat shields). Take your foot off and it immediately goes away. I've tried to get audio of it, but it's hard to pick up on the camera - it's much louder in person.
Yeah its hard to hear in the cabbin, I have a video on my channel that shows my waste gate. Its most prevelent when going from idle to acceleration and the sound tends to get deadened out by the engine/exhaust by about 1600rpm but its like a slight metalic jingle.
Yeah, it's harder to hear in the cabin, but when driving down an HOV lane with concrete barriers each side, it's really loud and sounds like you're shaking washers on a wire coat hanger. Boost is fine right now, but I've a feeling a new turbo is coming. Thanks man!
Can you have that rattle without having any fully codes? My Mk6 GTI is at almost 100k miles
Yes you can
@@HumbleMechanic How can you tell? I can't find any videos on what the rattle would sound like
is there any fix for this issue aside from a complete turbo replacement?
yeah seems like a natural question they should have expected they would generate from this video.
So is VW putting a long term warranty on the defective turbo versions, or are they going to be at customers expense? I have an early mk7 GTI and I'm a little scared to check the part number on the turbo.
this is a turbo from a mk6 tsi
About how much does it cost to fix the rattling sound?
The clip was like $65 at one time. Haven’t priced it lately
HumbleMechanic thank you, did installing the clip seem to get rid of the rattling when letting off the gas? I hear the rattle slightly around 10-20 mph. Only when I stop giving gas.
Also, are you saying the clip will cause underboost error? A response will be much appreciated 🙏🏼
No it won’t. And often won’t fix that issue
HumbleMechanic gotcha, thanks man. Hopefully it’ll help out with the rattling
Sounds like the underboost can be caused by the wastegate rattling and causing premature wear.
Love the channel keep it up!
Question on diesel gate. What if any VW would you recommends, for a family of three, performances in important to me. More into comfort and sleepers than flash bang .
This diesel gate thing is like my own personal crying game, EXCEPT I want a divorce from my 2013 Passat tdi with manual. I want to stay with Germany metal. It lasts longer that Japanese metal on Korean metal. Thoughts Audi, Bmw or DAS Auto VW
I just put about 700 miles on a 2016 Passat 1.8t. I was SUPER impressed. Car drove great and averaged 39.4 mpg over 320 miles.
It’s tough in ma state (Massachusetts) . there will be a computer flash. And then a reduction in power / performance. I have though of buying a junked ecm installing that. Having the dealership flash that one and reinstall the original. But VW will offer me almost double what it’s worth. So if I can hold out til 2017 for the Passat r line with manual………
Ya and then I get the”TD1” I use the geico break down insurance. That has saved me over 5K in repairs.
I know I’ve been fighting with the issue for almost 1 year. It’s an awesome car. But vw is offering me almost 22K HELLLOOOO
See now you making sense, sell my vw back to DAS AUTO. For 22K let them cripple it. buy it back for 7K and have it reflashed for 2K !!!!!!!!
Why do you want to get rid of the TDI? You get good power and great mpg. What more can you ask for? It's still a good car. (unless it's been unreliable). The state will never fail your emissions because you didn't get the fix. Charles might could weigh in, can you say you don't want the ecu flash and the dealer listen to you?
I'm dealing with this problem p0299 waste gate loose 2011 tiguan 4motion 130K
I’ve heard of guys bending the bracket for the wastegate for a temp fix. Maybe worth a try
@@HumbleMechanic thank so much
How do you fix that in an old turbo? Specifically in a '74 2.6 inline 6 Nissan Datsun 260z. Do you have to replace the whole waste gate or what?
I have got a new manifold and it has the same wastegate clearance as before... so new ones are not fixes plates at all.
i tried to put one on my tiguan its impossible to get it on! there's barely room to get your fingers up to it with 4motion in the way and once you get the clip lined up i had no leverage to push it on as it's tight .so frustrating
Yeah the 4mo is tough
No one can help me ? I have a mk6 Gti TSI same clip and it keeps falling off and it doesn’t stay in place it twists left and right still…
Is the clip bent? I’d consider trying another clip
@@HumbleMechanic I actually had gotten 3 incase that happened .. all of them seem to be the exact same thing
@@HumbleMechanic is there anyway I could possibly send you a video of my waste gate with the clip on ?
Try e clips.
06J145220A the Good one for Golf 6 gti 2010? 2.0 t
seem like the 2.0 tsi is a vary unreliable engine, or at least every component it has is of poor quality
wondering if 1.8 tsi is the same
On 2.0TSI
Water pump fails
Timing chain tensioner fails
Air intake manifold fails
High pressure fuel pump fails
Turbo fails
Carbon build up (DI FAIL)
What else do we need to call it a bad engine?
The issues I have fixed: Bad conenctors to spark plug coils ($30 and a few hours time), variable intake manifold flapper actuator (VW replaces this under warrenty, even with the warrenty expired) and the wastegate rattle...$6.00 spring cures that.
this didnt help
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GTI BROEDER hoe en wat als die clip er al op zit ?
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such a shoddy design... why are they using a "loose" fitting on the gate instead of tig-weld it to the arm?, that thing WILL fail always....
it also looks like the arm don't even have a bearing it's just a shaft seal :/
Check code p0299?