All strike groups converge onto a single massive jamming signal. They find a tower of canned beans and the singular sweatiest lightning pilot known to mankind.
Who would win? An entire grand fleet of cruisers, missile carriers, and aircraft carriers armed to the teeth with missiles, guns, and aircraft, built with enough electronics to sweep half of a planet to search for enemies, or... Some jammy boi
It's like one of these giant super-radars like the Duga but in reverse. For if you want to basically ruin the entire country's radar detection but also want to paint a huge target on yourself.
40000 km is basically the equator length of the Earth. So, you basically jamming the entire planet (though distances in this game make no sense for me).
Also the jammer isn't picked up by elint. Elint only detects radar pings what does pick up the jammer is radar. Radar is jammed and you get a general bearing of where you are being jammed from which is why the AI is very good at detecting you when you use a jammer. What the jammer is designed to do is making missile tracking impossible from radar guided missiles. The counter to this is the other missile which detects the radiation given off by radar and jammer allowing it to track any active radar or jamming emitter I believe it is the P missile. Also jammer doesn't completely jam the missile head it just significantly reduces the tracking cone in game im assuming the logic behind this is the missile has a back up infrared tracker that is shorter range.
radar can burn through jamming through proximity. jamming tends to be send out random bursts of radar pulses that look like radar returns to whoever is looking or just overloading the receiver with a much stronger signal like shining a bright flashlight in someones face, but that person has a flashlight of their own that is weaker. they can still see things up close from their own flashlight but until they move into that much smaller area all they ever see of you is a incredibly bright point of light just giving them a bearing but no information on distance. if there were multiple receivers they could triangulate the source of the jamming very quickly assuming the receivers can communicate, which is one reason jammers tend to also block radio transmissions while they are active
Здесь есть немного физики. Генераторы помех это типо радар наоборот, они (в основном) отправляют огромное количество фонового шума, который делает выделение оригинальной сигнатуры радара радаром сложнее (если очень сильно упрощать). Глушилки также как радары отправляют радиоволны, а две одинаковые глушилки будут отправлять две одинаковые волны в одном месте. Получается как на море (почти) волны складываются и получается одна волна в два раза сильнее (если упрощать). Реалистичность
Вряд-ли они должны складываться линейно в плане расстояния. Скорее всего в коде просто есть переменная "jamming_radius" которая изначально 0 и при установке глушилки к ней прибавляется значение из параметра глушилки, и разработчиком не задумывалось, что какой-то гений будет пихать в один корабль больше, чем одну глушилку.
Проблема в том, что излучение теряет энергию не линейно в зависимости от расстояния (как продемонстрированы в этом ролике), а квадратически. Т.е. грубо говоря, увеличение мощности источника в два раза даст увеличение радиуса в корень от двух раз, т.е. примерно в 1,41. Для такого сумасшедшего покрытия должен быть еще более сумасшедший по мощности источник, который по сути нужно запитывать от десяти реакторов как в Хиве и стоить как тысяча Севастополей )
here I was deliberately cutting jam range by blocking it so it's still useful for missile defense without attracting every SG, and then here you are jamming the entire planet lmao
@@kaptainbeans it's only a 50% cut in missile range (from 150km to 75km I think?) And attracts anti-radiation missiles like crazy, but sometimes comes in clutch (Mind you I can't speak for it's cost effectiveness because I usually prefer making one big super ship and horsing around with that)
-Наместник Шлем! Наш радар был... заварен. -* пробует стекающее по экрану варенье* Клубничное... Только один тархан во всём Элаате посмел бы подкинуть мне клубничку: Одинокие Бобы!!! При испытаниях ракеты не была учтена одна важная вещь: чтобы сбить наведение обычной ракеты, нужно чтобы постановщик помех был в секторе её обзора. То есть, помехи не смогут защитить при разнице между прямой обстреливаемый - Лагуна и курсом ракеты более 45 градусов (северо-восток или северо-запад в примере).
Just park one jammy boy somewhere in the desert, and force the enemy strike fleets come to you Fun fact: enemy strike fleets have fuel. If they run out in the midddle of the desert... woops What is the entire Gerat Defense fleet doing in the desert, Tarkhan?
Для улучшения данных эксперимента, было бы неплохо повторить последнюю манипуляцию (включение станции постановки помех и радара) с некоторой предварительной подготовкой. А именно - захватить ближайшую к Уру станцию тропосферной связи. Ну а после включения глушилки и радара, подождать некоторое время, а после использовать разведку, и узнать, как поменялся курс ударных групп. Почему так говорю: В своё время игрался с файлами игры и однажды увеличил ёмкость топливных баков (больших) до двух миллионов. А после, во время игры, захватил город с этой самой станцией. Перед захватом, я затупил и не отправил быстрый отряд, соответственно гарнизон поднял тревогу. Каково же было моё удивление, когда использовав разведданные, я увидел что в этот город направились все ударные группы на карте Это было на версии, когда ещё можно было ставить Палаши под броню
so the earth's diameter is ~12.8Mk, your jamming wraps around earth 4.3 times.. You just founded JETI (Jam (the fug out of) ExtraTerrestrial Intelligences) The distances in this game are pretty nuts, one single jammer makes it a third of the way around the globe, like you could have one of these on cyprus and jam all of europe
Remove “distances in this” from that sentence, this whole GAME is nuts! It’s funny how this planet of Elaat is so large and how ships could fly even with that kind of gravity
@@DGneoseeker1 It's not earth. It's a planet with two suns instead of one, called Elaat. It probably used to look like earth before the calamity, but now it's mostly desert. The lore is quite shaky, so don't quote me on that )
Gerat must be massive. The distance from the north pole to south pole along the earth's surface is 20,000km. If you are able to jam that distance, you are likely able to cover the entire earth.
Well, it’s useful to setup an ambush or sending the enemy on a wild goose chase where you have a tanker with huge range just hopping around the empty space, and turn on the jammer to alert them and draw them to you with their missiles and planes while your actual task force is off somewhere else attacking
You can have your jamming fleet sit in a town jamming away until the town reports that fleet’s location. Keep jamming then move with the jammer off and when you hop around just keep jamming to have all enemies try and find the fleet that’s jamming
Tried this. But somehow the enemy missiles found me. The X15 ones. Not X15r. 😢 The jammer was away from the main group, and on. But the main group was still rocketed
X-15 missiles can still home in if the ships aren’t fast enough to get away from the jammed radar cone. Also, the jammer has to be relatively in front of the missile (anywhere in the angle of the missile radar cone) to work because if the jammer is behind the missile, it won’t jam. It’s pretty weird to explain it but try to visualize it in game to understand
A jammer does kinda distort your real location on enemy radar (the grains on the radar screen) but the problem is that they will know you’re jamming and will start to use anti-radiation missiles (KH-15P, which locks ONTO radar or jammer)
@@somethingdifferent1910 Jamming basically distorts radar, and any cruise missiles with radar search and track will have a smaller area of radar, so it will be harder to spot an object. This works only on radar-guided missiles, and the other type of missile (anti-radiation missile) will actually home in on jammers or radar signals
@@kaptainbeans it makes no sense imo... for a game that has pretty realistic mechanics it feels like a exploit, definitely not how real world jammers work
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All strike groups converge onto a single massive jamming signal.
They find a tower of canned beans and the singular sweatiest lightning pilot known to mankind.
Who would win?
An entire grand fleet of cruisers, missile carriers, and aircraft carriers armed to the teeth with missiles, guns, and aircraft, built with enough electronics to sweep half of a planet to search for enemies, or...
Some jammy boi
It's me I'm the pilot. My life is suffering
Highfleet is totally balanced with no exploits
Must also be possible to lure all strike group of the game to a certain point with this build.
And then commit a few war crimes.
And attract all anti-radiation missiles as a bonus
@@kaptainbeans one sweaty lightning boy with bunch of jammers evading missiles like no tomorrow
It's like one of these giant super-radars like the Duga but in reverse. For if you want to basically ruin the entire country's radar detection but also want to paint a huge target on yourself.
40000 km is basically the equator length of the Earth. So, you basically jamming the entire planet (though distances in this game make no sense for me).
@@rogo7330 The world is much larger than Earth.
i remember one of ssethtzeentach stolen creation is called the super jammer, this is what reminds me of
it was 222857 kilometers
@@lukazfox_lol that is a third of the sun...
Also the jammer isn't picked up by elint. Elint only detects radar pings what does pick up the jammer is radar. Radar is jammed and you get a general bearing of where you are being jammed from which is why the AI is very good at detecting you when you use a jammer. What the jammer is designed to do is making missile tracking impossible from radar guided missiles. The counter to this is the other missile which detects the radiation given off by radar and jammer allowing it to track any active radar or jamming emitter I believe it is the P missile. Also jammer doesn't completely jam the missile head it just significantly reduces the tracking cone in game im assuming the logic behind this is the missile has a back up infrared tracker that is shorter range.
radar can burn through jamming through proximity. jamming tends to be send out random bursts of radar pulses that look like radar returns to whoever is looking or just overloading the receiver with a much stronger signal like shining a bright flashlight in someones face, but that person has a flashlight of their own that is weaker. they can still see things up close from their own flashlight but until they move into that much smaller area all they ever see of you is a incredibly bright point of light just giving them a bearing but no information on distance. if there were multiple receivers they could triangulate the source of the jamming very quickly assuming the receivers can communicate, which is one reason jammers tend to also block radio transmissions while they are active
You just keep great distance with the jammer (far longer than missiles can get) and the enemy will be blind and powerless
Здесь есть немного физики. Генераторы помех это типо радар наоборот, они (в основном) отправляют огромное количество фонового шума, который делает выделение оригинальной сигнатуры радара радаром сложнее (если очень сильно упрощать). Глушилки также как радары отправляют радиоволны, а две одинаковые глушилки будут отправлять две одинаковые волны в одном месте. Получается как на море (почти) волны складываются и получается одна волна в два раза сильнее (если упрощать). Реалистичность
Вряд-ли они должны складываться линейно в плане расстояния. Скорее всего в коде просто есть переменная "jamming_radius" которая изначально 0 и при установке глушилки к ней прибавляется значение из параметра глушилки, и разработчиком не задумывалось, что какой-то гений будет пихать в один корабль больше, чем одну глушилку.
Проблема в том, что излучение теряет энергию не линейно в зависимости от расстояния (как продемонстрированы в этом ролике), а квадратически. Т.е. грубо говоря, увеличение мощности источника в два раза даст увеличение радиуса в корень от двух раз, т.е. примерно в 1,41. Для такого сумасшедшего покрытия должен быть еще более сумасшедший по мощности источник, который по сути нужно запитывать от десяти реакторов как в Хиве и стоить как тысяча Севастополей )
*sees range stack*
*immediately knows what’s going on*
_oh no_
here I was deliberately cutting jam range by blocking it so it's still useful for missile defense without attracting every SG, and then here you are jamming the entire planet lmao
That's a good way to use the jammer (not stacking them like beans) I didn't know that
@@kaptainbeans it's only a 50% cut in missile range (from 150km to 75km I think?) And attracts anti-radiation missiles like crazy, but sometimes comes in clutch
(Mind you I can't speak for it's cost effectiveness because I usually prefer making one big super ship and horsing around with that)
Quite the jam session you got going on
My mans absolutely jammin
Enemy fleet: lets send a nuke on that dude!
Kaptain beans: 'laughs in jammer'
*АХАХАХАХАХАХАХАХАХАХХХАХАХАХ!!!*
It seems that nukes do not fly 50k kilometers... You can keep it in far-away city or the desert
-Наместник Шлем! Наш радар был... заварен.
-* пробует стекающее по экрану варенье* Клубничное... Только один тархан во всём Элаате посмел бы подкинуть мне клубничку: Одинокие Бобы!!!
При испытаниях ракеты не была учтена одна важная вещь: чтобы сбить наведение обычной ракеты, нужно чтобы постановщик помех был в секторе её обзора. То есть, помехи не смогут защитить при разнице между прямой обстреливаемый - Лагуна и курсом ракеты более 45 градусов (северо-восток или северо-запад в примере).
Just park one jammy boy somewhere in the desert, and force the enemy strike fleets come to you
Fun fact: enemy strike fleets have fuel. If they run out in the midddle of the desert... woops
What is the entire Gerat Defense fleet doing in the desert, Tarkhan?
There have been moments when that happened now that I realise. Strike groups will also try to fly to the nearest town to refuel if fuel runs low
Для улучшения данных эксперимента, было бы неплохо повторить последнюю манипуляцию (включение станции постановки помех и радара) с некоторой предварительной подготовкой.
А именно - захватить ближайшую к Уру станцию тропосферной связи.
Ну а после включения глушилки и радара, подождать некоторое время, а после использовать разведку, и узнать, как поменялся курс ударных групп.
Почему так говорю:
В своё время игрался с файлами игры и однажды увеличил ёмкость топливных баков (больших) до двух миллионов. А после, во время игры, захватил город с этой самой станцией. Перед захватом, я затупил и не отправил быстрый отряд, соответственно гарнизон поднял тревогу. Каково же было моё удивление, когда использовав разведданные, я увидел что в этот город направились все ударные группы на карте
Это было на версии, когда ещё можно было ставить Палаши под броню
so the earth's diameter is ~12.8Mk, your jamming wraps around earth 4.3 times.. You just founded JETI (Jam (the fug out of) ExtraTerrestrial Intelligences)
The distances in this game are pretty nuts, one single jammer makes it a third of the way around the globe, like you could have one of these on cyprus and jam all of europe
Remove “distances in this” from that sentence, this whole GAME is nuts! It’s funny how this planet of Elaat is so large and how ships could fly even with that kind of gravity
@@kaptainbeans Hold on... You mean this isn't set on Earth? I assumed this was just Earth after some idiot started WW3.
@@DGneoseeker1 It's not earth. It's a planet with two suns instead of one, called Elaat. It probably used to look like earth before the calamity, but now it's mostly desert. The lore is quite shaky, so don't quote me on that )
Wellcome to Геррат! ))
На самом деле ролик хоть и затянут, но достаточно интересный, спасибо
bro built a map wide magnet for antiradiation missiles
Gerat must be massive. The distance from the north pole to south pole along the earth's surface is 20,000km. If you are able to jam that distance, you are likely able to cover the entire earth.
Distances in this game is just something else entirely. The lore of HighFleet in terms of physics and proportions is quite shaky to say the least
Well, it’s useful to setup an ambush or sending the enemy on a wild goose chase where you have a tanker with huge range just hopping around the empty space, and turn on the jammer to alert them and draw them to you with their missiles and planes while your actual task force is off somewhere else attacking
This could be a legit strategy but it would require to constantly make sure the jammer boi is safe
Could it be that your Northern Fleets ELINT detected the Radar Signal of your Southern Jamming fleet? Or does Elint friendly fire not exist?
ELINT only detects enemy radar, and there was an SG near the northern fleet somewhere as far as my intel goes
You can have your jamming fleet sit in a town jamming away until the town reports that fleet’s location. Keep jamming then move with the jammer off and when you hop around just keep jamming to have all enemies try and find the fleet that’s jamming
Tried this. But somehow the enemy missiles found me. The X15 ones. Not X15r. 😢 The jammer was away from the main group, and on. But the main group was still rocketed
X-15 missiles can still home in if the ships aren’t fast enough to get away from the jammed radar cone. Also, the jammer has to be relatively in front of the missile (anywhere in the angle of the missile radar cone) to work because if the jammer is behind the missile, it won’t jam. It’s pretty weird to explain it but try to visualize it in game to understand
Bean ship. Pay homage to your name
I like your style beans 👍🏻
i used the jammer to hide and prevent the enemy my position but i was wrong
A jammer does kinda distort your real location on enemy radar (the grains on the radar screen) but the problem is that they will know you’re jamming and will start to use anti-radiation missiles (KH-15P, which locks ONTO radar or jammer)
Understood
Baited their fleets abd then nuked the jammer and them from a distance
Jam this jam that have you ever jammed into a conversation with a girl before.
Nice video btw 👌
You bet I have!
Does it work on R-3s?
No because R-3 don’t use radar guidance
@@kaptainbeans (
Your signal is probably too strong. If you made it only like 80% of the map strike groups outside your ring should be able to then see you
Interesting
She’s a bad mama jamma
F...... I didn't knew they stack with each other.
Oh they stack!
Question here, yes it can jam rockets but does being jammed mean ?
Did you mean to ask ‘what’ does being jammed mean?
@@kaptainbeans I mean yeah, what are the effects of jam/ what does a jammed rocket do ?
@@somethingdifferent1910 Jamming basically distorts radar, and any cruise missiles with radar search and track will have a smaller area of radar, so it will be harder to spot an object. This works only on radar-guided missiles, and the other type of missile (anti-radiation missile) will actually home in on jammers or radar signals
its a bug, they should fix this
Is it?
@@kaptainbeans it makes no sense imo... for a game that has pretty realistic mechanics it feels like a exploit, definitely not how real world jammers work
@@kaptainbeans yes, in reality it is quadratic formula. You need four times power to get twice the distance.
Доброе утро, капитан. То есть этот билд полностью противостоит всем ракетам, летящим в тебя?
Всем ракетам х15 и х15н
@@kaptainbeans а что случится с этими ракетами, куда они в итоге долетят? Они не упадут на город, если изначально на город были нацелены?
@@АлександрМихайлов-в3и они просто упадут на город если на город направлены
I need a toast with this
Damn! A toaster ship would be insane with this one!
🤣@@kaptainbeans