Honestly I disagree on iron fist being good high elo half these engagements you’re forced to burn your cooldowns instead of theirs and all they seem to be doing is poking and if u lose really hard that makes him sub optimal instead of meta I think ur just really good and can force characters you like
Such is the life of cooldown/combo-based melee characters.. Sometimes, with Iron Fist, it's extremely hard to find isolated targets the higher up you go. He can't poke from afar either. He feels like he's an all-in-or-nothing character. A bit of a shame since I really love his gameplay, but overall he's just a noob-stomping character. Chasm said it best at the end of the video “A lot of AFK’ing”
@@theaverageplayer1656honestly if your team is good enough to draw attention from enemies he’s still viable on high elo. It’s just an extreme gamble character. If you have a stack and trust their skill he’s great. If you’re solo quing it’s a 50\50 all dependent on the team. If your team is buns and creates no need to pull attention then you get easily focused out the game and shut down
Someone else said it best to compare him to ball. You jump in, tickle people, and use all your cooldowns to get away 😂. Also CC wrecks them both. In my experience, I feel like it depends on my team being at least somewhat decent. If your other DPS (or 2-3 😐) are going negative, and you're the only damage dealer... You're going to have a bad time lol. Oh and you also get bullied by pretty much every other melee hero. But he's just so fun to play 🥹
This made me quickly realize that iron fist isn't as good or broken as I thought. Its hard for him to do what he wants to do. But when the opportunity presents itself the opposition really has no choice in the matter.
Yup he’s 100% an opportunistic character. People who believe he’s broken don’t have enough knowledge in the characters they’re playing to utilize their abilities properly to counter him. Almost all characters have abilities in their kit to counter him. He just strives when your team is good. He himself cannot carry a game solo. Like he said in vid you either are really good in the game or bad depending on what your team is like
Nothing truer than having a bad team leaving iron fist to be completely useless. You could be such a good iron fist but if your team isn’t setting up opportunities of distractions for you to flank the squishies you are just useless all game. Like there has to be at least 2 other good players on the team being good enough to draw attention from you. If you’re the only one going off the team just focuses the counter on you and you literally cannot do anything
Try letting your teammates do a little damage first then go in for KO’s, only way he feels not ass compared to iron fist in my opinion . Haven’t played wolverine much my
@@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkfbut it’s just movement not really any true value out of the cooldown. Plenty of other heroes have a significantly higher skill ceiling than spider man. Spider man just has the highest skill floor making him seem complicated when he’s really not
@ at face value he may seem similar but what makes ball so attractive to play is the amount of skill expression not necessarily the fundamentals mechanics of his kit.
Yeah hela needs a nerf she does so much damage without needing to scope in or be up close it’s ridiculous. I can’t play iron fist because of her and my teammates playing 3 dps every game
Yeah, especially when there is a hela on the other team. It’s unbearable, that I just end up switching sometime. Hela does not need any mechanical skill yet she presses q and doesn’t die when u kill that form. She’s point and click and u win more games with her than iron fist but I still love iron fist tho
Iron Fist is a low B rank. He is not even in top 10 of all champions. By looking at the current top 10 players in the game, the best champions are Hela, Dr Strange, Mantis, Luna Snow, Psylock, Loki, Hawkeye, Magneto, Namor, Groot. No matter how good you are, you will never get into top 10 with the current Iron Fist. And spare me comments like "I will prove you wrong", "who made you a game expert" and such, since I am displaying facts here, not the fiction this video is.
>Looks at the revive beacon
>Ignores the revive beacon
>Dies to guy the beacon revives
too funny man
OW to Deadlock To Rivals. Chazm is coming full circle now.
From: Deadlock
To: my goat
plz dont leave me :(
Honestly I disagree on iron fist being good high elo half these engagements you’re forced to burn your cooldowns instead of theirs and all they seem to be doing is poking and if u lose really hard that makes him sub optimal instead of meta I think ur just really good and can force characters you like
Such is the life of cooldown/combo-based melee characters.. Sometimes, with Iron Fist, it's extremely hard to find isolated targets the higher up you go. He can't poke from afar either. He feels like he's an all-in-or-nothing character. A bit of a shame since I really love his gameplay, but overall he's just a noob-stomping character. Chasm said it best at the end of the video “A lot of AFK’ing”
@@theaverageplayer1656honestly if your team is good enough to draw attention from enemies he’s still viable on high elo. It’s just an extreme gamble character. If you have a stack and trust their skill he’s great. If you’re solo quing it’s a 50\50 all dependent on the team. If your team is buns and creates no need to pull attention then you get easily focused out the game and shut down
Someone else said it best to compare him to ball.
You jump in, tickle people, and use all your cooldowns to get away 😂. Also CC wrecks them both. In my experience, I feel like it depends on my team being at least somewhat decent.
If your other DPS (or 2-3 😐) are going negative, and you're the only damage dealer... You're going to have a bad time lol. Oh and you also get bullied by pretty much every other melee hero.
But he's just so fun to play 🥹
@BillDipperly his ult voice line is too good
@@cudikid97 this comment is the true def of ironfist.
This made me quickly realize that iron fist isn't as good or broken as I thought. Its hard for him to do what he wants to do. But when the opportunity presents itself the opposition really has no choice in the matter.
Yup he’s 100% an opportunistic character. People who believe he’s broken don’t have enough knowledge in the characters they’re playing to utilize their abilities properly to counter him. Almost all characters have abilities in their kit to counter him. He just strives when your team is good. He himself cannot carry a game solo. Like he said in vid you either are really good in the game or bad depending on what your team is like
I didn't even know i can play him like that
Nothing truer than having a bad team leaving iron fist to be completely useless. You could be such a good iron fist but if your team isn’t setting up opportunities of distractions for you to flank the squishies you are just useless all game. Like there has to be at least 2 other good players on the team being good enough to draw attention from you. If you’re the only one going off the team just focuses the counter on you and you literally cannot do anything
How do you maintain the momentum after finishing the big kick?
Bro you made iron fist look like freaking child’s play man thanks for the fire 🔥 gameplay brother u earned a sub
Good stuff bro! It was so funny everytime you got in a game with necros lol, good banter
you should play dagger and shadow insane skill ceiling
nah, lowest skill ceiling of all supports except maybe jeff.
We don’t want marvel slop, we need some Lashin’
Buddy what
Just wondering if U have tried wolverine I'm maining him and god is awful compared to playing iron fist especially in high MMR top 1.32 percent atm
Try letting your teammates do a little damage first then go in for KO’s, only way he feels not ass compared to iron fist in my opinion . Haven’t played wolverine much my
But my homies go for more KOs with him than anything and it works for them. My bad I posted the comment before was done typing 💀
NOOOOO CHAZM IS A IRON FIST MAIN WHYYY….
Plz be a black panther main or spiderman main in the future
he plays panther and he was learning magik too
ew no, not the overused cringe ahh chars everyone else uses
why dont you play wrecking ball instead of iron fist, the teams need a a tank more.
need lashing
This is good but please keep up with Deadlock
Chazm bout to break this game with his insane mechanical skill 😂😂😂😂
No heroes in the game that have the skill ceiling necessary
@gabeitch spiderman web slinging
There's actually a few with a very high skill ceiling @@gabeitch5578
@@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkfbut it’s just movement not really any true value out of the cooldown. Plenty of other heroes have a significantly higher skill ceiling than spider man. Spider man just has the highest skill floor making him seem complicated when he’s really not
@gabeitch wat other heroes
Have you tried venom?
Doesn’t like him
@gabeitch5578 dam I thought he was really similar to ball
@ at face value he may seem similar but what makes ball so attractive to play is the amount of skill expression not necessarily the fundamentals mechanics of his kit.
Yeah hela needs a nerf she does so much damage without needing to scope in or be up close it’s ridiculous. I can’t play iron fist because of her and my teammates playing 3 dps every game
Bruh iron fist need a nerf too he can easily soli kill any support and dps except hela,why nerf hela though
@@Loc1453dps are supposed to be able to take down supports easier anyway, but aside from that each support can counter iron fist heavily
@@ultrabusterninja9424 what support can counter iron fist ? since HE can Counter EVERY ULT ??????????????????????
@ bait the parry first or surprise him, if he blocked u, ur predictable, mantis and luna snow can easily ruin this man’s whole experience
@@Loc1453his block lasts one second, it's a skill issue if you throw your stun into him immediately and he blocks it.
14:30 Please read this. You have the single best mobility in the game. Dying for ult charge on Iron fist is always worth. Remember this wisdom.
Imo iron fist is just not worth picking, doesnt mean hes bad rlly but why would i ever want to pick him over say black panther?
Panther's ass in comparison.
This guy mastered and was dominating with the hamster in ow that few could play and swear was useless he’s like that 😂
Iron Fist movement is so addict and the feeling punching super fast like Ip Man so satisfied
Yeah, especially when there is a hela on the other team. It’s unbearable, that I just end up switching sometime. Hela does not need any mechanical skill yet she presses q and doesn’t die when u kill that form. She’s point and click and u win more games with her than iron fist but I still love iron fist tho
BCZ BP doesn't have the same survivability he does. You literally just go in and die maybe getting a kill along the way if they're good 💀
Am i trippin, r i allready saw that ?
i may or may not have messed up the upload, and had to redo it. but the 2nd one is new 💔
Here I thought you were done with TH-cam :P
im only 2 mins in but this is not how you play iron fist lmao
it got a lil better but still.
nvm its all butt
Oh yeah lets goooo
Great Video.
awesome
For an 'insane' hero, you sure do die alot
Iron Fist is a low B rank. He is not even in top 10 of all champions. By looking at the current top 10 players in the game, the best champions are Hela, Dr Strange, Mantis, Luna Snow, Psylock, Loki, Hawkeye, Magneto, Namor, Groot. No matter how good you are, you will never get into top 10 with the current Iron Fist. And spare me comments like "I will prove you wrong", "who made you a game expert" and such, since I am displaying facts here, not the fiction this video is.
Bro shut up
namor is not top 10 lmao, he's pretty good against melee characters but against other ranged he's completely worthless
@@Nargeonyou need to look at the stats that are in front of you before you say stupid sh*t
☝️🤓
@@lilbenttwig1524 thinking namor is top tier against other ranged characters is delusional, he is pretty good against melee characters though
This game is just cope from losing OW to 5v5
Uninstalled ow a long time ago, and this is actually a good game
I have over 7k hours in OW but I think Rivals is better tbh