The Moral Arguments Around the Israel-Hamas War

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  • @brandonnabhan3366
    @brandonnabhan3366 หลายเดือนก่อน +3877

    “Who the fuck is that guy “

    • @GojosBackHand
      @GojosBackHand หลายเดือนก่อน +278

      A smart man.

    • @JackAaron1992
      @JackAaron1992 หลายเดือนก่อน +227

      Someone correct.

    • @ReveredWizardBob
      @ReveredWizardBob หลายเดือนก่อน +377

      @@JackAaron1992 Someone who hasn't read up on his history you mean

    • @hydro8sixty
      @hydro8sixty หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      He's definitely not antisemitic nor pro Palestine he's un biased

    • @grlfcgombeenhunter2897
      @grlfcgombeenhunter2897 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      I just said that in a Conor McGregor voice 😂.

  • @TheRotbringer
    @TheRotbringer หลายเดือนก่อน +3571

    Comparing Israel vs Gaza to the American Civil War doesn’t correlate to me.

    • @DagnirRen
      @DagnirRen หลายเดือนก่อน +107

      True. The Brits werent baby reyping animals.

    • @gman6862
      @gman6862 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Bias justification

    • @dorasegall2036
      @dorasegall2036 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does not ah???? Well, when we had killed 2 million of German Civilians at a loss of ZERO American ones in order to destroy the Nazi Regime ,does that correlate to you? When Red Army had stormed Berlin and was destroying all that moved with its Artillery Fire and Katiusha Salvos , killing tens of thousands German civilians in the process --were there people like you today , telling them : "stop , you killing German children " ?? or every body were just pushing them on - finish the Bastard State ? Use some basic thinking , not your bias against Jewish people that you been condition to have with bullshit lies over 2000 years if you re in Christian world and 1400 years if you re in Muslim world.

    • @TT-hx9nj
      @TT-hx9nj หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      ​@@DagnirRen
      Yes they were, just not to the extent that the Israelis are, though.

    • @mickmerrifield6583
      @mickmerrifield6583 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      His comparisons are a reflection of his twisted morality.

  • @hben1052
    @hben1052 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    Did this guy ever fight in a war?

  • @luisllanito1865
    @luisllanito1865 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    “War is okay because we are the good guys” -whoever he is

    • @Jerry-rg8mx
      @Jerry-rg8mx 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      We are our guys and they are their guys. When it comes to survival or high threat incidents, good guy bad guy gets blurred. Are you going to be a good guy to someone holding a gun to your child's head if you get 1 moment of opportunity? Now put that perspective across a broad region.

  • @enkidughom2508
    @enkidughom2508 หลายเดือนก่อน +3081

    Listening to a Brit referencing Britain to debate the morality of war is like eating beans for breakfast

    • @andren8788
      @andren8788 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      BBQ the next morning.🤔 So.....

    • @darranpurtill6075
      @darranpurtill6075 หลายเดือนก่อน +194

      As an Irish person I agree . Just remember it was Britain that created the Israel state

    • @Ffloreselectric.LBC.
      @Ffloreselectric.LBC. หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      Beans are breakfast for 3/4 of the americas & carribean

    • @wiggy5728
      @wiggy5728 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      It’s absurd int it, who the hell is this guy

    • @sicdoc5839
      @sicdoc5839 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      Americans, throwing stones in glass houses since 1776 😂

  • @annabellemansilla4691
    @annabellemansilla4691 หลายเดือนก่อน +1026

    Excuse me, as a European, my great grandfather did not shove any Jew into any oven. Be specific about who did that and maybe those people should offer part of their state to the Jewish people.

    • @UmarFarooq-nl4eq
      @UmarFarooq-nl4eq หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol he is literally justify everything just because people in past did horrific things with jews

    • @branflakes054
      @branflakes054 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      I agree and also stating that Europe hasn’t had to fight for anything is just a ridiculous thing to say

    • @troyzieman7177
      @troyzieman7177 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      You are painfully naive

    • @ayoub8109
      @ayoub8109 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation

    • @hardikpandey8460
      @hardikpandey8460 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You did

  • @BryonLetterman
    @BryonLetterman 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +151

    Imagine the loophole we'd create if we said that terrorists weren't going to be targeted if they embed themselves in the civilian populations.

    • @hugoramirez9295
      @hugoramirez9295 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      You got Bin Laden with minimal collateral damage...

    • @sparten5654
      @sparten5654 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @hugoramirez9295
      Bin lagen wasn't imbeded in the civilian population. He operated guerilla forces in the Afghan mountains.

    • @hugoramirez9295
      @hugoramirez9295 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@sparten5654 the fact is Israel's government decides the amount of collateral damage that's acceptable for them, and the numbers speak for themselves

    • @sparten5654
      @sparten5654 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @hugoramirez9295
      The ratio of civillian to combatant death is five times lower than the average for this type of conflict.
      But whatever makes jews the bad guy, I guess..

    • @nasseral-marri3762
      @nasseral-marri3762 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@sparten5654the bin laden raid was in a compound building in a city in Pakistan……

  • @olleyprice6978
    @olleyprice6978 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    These are exactly the same talking points that people used to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    • @brianboniecki8799
      @brianboniecki8799 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except for the babies being beheaded

  • @5dollarshake263
    @5dollarshake263 หลายเดือนก่อน +1546

    This guy checked off all 12 of Ben Shapiro's talking points.

    • @amsz6326
      @amsz6326 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

      Meaning he is a rational smart guy

    • @jessicastrat9376
      @jessicastrat9376 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Genetic fallacy

    • @roysherwin9348
      @roysherwin9348 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      @5dollarshake263 planning on addressing any of them? Or should the free world never wage war against people who put their military HQ underneath their own hospitals? 🏥

    • @Arthur-Silva
      @Arthur-Silva หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ah, the good old Western propaganda on the JRE. "Britain had to make a decision to go fight the Nazis"..... he simply "forgot" to mention who actually ENDED the war. THE SOVIETS. To the UK and the US, war means business, and profits, the longer a war lasts, the better for the billionaires running the show. By the way, the only country that is still legally allowed to rally out in public, flying a swastika flag is the United States, everywhere else on the planet, it's illegal. In early 1945, Allied troops entered Germany. By mid-April, the SOVIETS had encircled the German capital of Berlin. On April 30, 1945, Adolf Hitler killed himself. The German armed forces surrendered unconditionally in the west on May 7 and in the east on May 9, 1945, bringing an end to World War II in Europe. You're welcome, Britain.

    • @Arthur-Silva
      @Arthur-Silva หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@amsz6326 snart indeed.

  • @chasesommars4155
    @chasesommars4155 หลายเดือนก่อน +1557

    This obtuse argument is insane. Killing innocent people will never be ok. War zone or no war zone. Mowing down people gathering flour for bread is not an excuse for mass execution.

    • @DreadPages
      @DreadPages หลายเดือนก่อน +186

      What about at a music festival?

    • @aaronkelly3035
      @aaronkelly3035 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Crazy you believe what terrorists say. Israel will be free from terrorists

    • @georgiadawgs8260
      @georgiadawgs8260 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

      How do you fight a war without it?

    • @silverback6497
      @silverback6497 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

      ​@@DreadPages notice how he didn't justify that either, my god, the what aboutism is insanely common

    • @silverback6497
      @silverback6497 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      @@georgiadawgs8260 without civilians casualties you can't, but theres a scale, that makes it an acceptable military target, say there's 2 militants to one civilian, or even a 1 to one ratio, those are acceptable numbers on the international level, but 300 civilians to one possible militant isnt,

  • @livelikedragons
    @livelikedragons 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    Except the Balfour Declaration, which basically planned the establishment of Israel was written in 1917.

    • @ATXGooner
      @ATXGooner 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Jews have been living in that area literally thousands of years before Islam, or Arabs were even a concept. How far back do you want to go before you say this is the starting point? History didn't start on October 7th, or 1948, or 1917, or 1840, or 1831, or 1516.

    • @Lostparadigm
      @Lostparadigm 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Lord Rothschild

    • @Lostparadigm
      @Lostparadigm 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@ATXGooneryour comment does not make this comment any less true.

    • @ATXGooner
      @ATXGooner 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Lostparadigm "If you're right, why do I aggressively misunderstand the point you were making?" You could have just written that instead.

    • @kylef8703
      @kylef8703 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I thought that was the Sykes-Picot agreement that Britain and France made

  • @magnusskallagrimsson6707
    @magnusskallagrimsson6707 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Wishing Abby Martin was sitting in on this one.

  • @webshiva
    @webshiva หลายเดือนก่อน +856

    The moral judgement by a Brit that starving people is a legitimate practice isn’t a surprise given what his country did to Ireland.

    • @ingalook
      @ingalook หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      And India

    • @maxokream6269
      @maxokream6269 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      & 1/2 the world

    • @CantTellYou
      @CantTellYou หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      “that was just for funzies though innit mate?”

    • @SuperMiguelish
      @SuperMiguelish หลายเดือนก่อน

      Israel sends food supplies to civilians while hamas takes it gluten themselves leaving innocent civilians starvimg

    • @michellekatz1023
      @michellekatz1023 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      He’s Irish too

  • @aidenhunglow1030
    @aidenhunglow1030 หลายเดือนก่อน +1497

    This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve heard

    • @___412
      @___412 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same. Joe comparing Mexican gangs to Hamas.
      Mexican gangs would never be as motivated as Hamas to slaughter civilians because Hamas conflict is about RELIGION not MONEY. Hamas has religious reasons for hating and wanting to kill Jews

    • @onepunchman8328
      @onepunchman8328 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      you never really watched the video

    • @liorzelering5988
      @liorzelering5988 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The smartest one, you are the dumb one

    • @simplejan5942
      @simplejan5942 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@onepunchman8328 its pretty stupid to argue about morality from a podcast. If he was a soldier in the war, then his take would be worth anything.

    • @liorzelering5988
      @liorzelering5988 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      The truth hurts, try to use your brain more

  • @bruku007
    @bruku007 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    "WAR is Hell but its not the worst thing in life" - Amen

  • @jaycaldwellwin1271
    @jaycaldwellwin1271 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    As a black man that has been to Isreal and Palastine many times, I’m so grateful for Joe Rogan. He will be on the right side of history.

  • @thomaswhite7718
    @thomaswhite7718 หลายเดือนก่อน +878

    It’s like these guys are trained to speak softly about terrible things so that you forget that it’s terrible

    • @Kai-nh9ut
      @Kai-nh9ut หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Sometimes you got to do terrible things to survive. That is life. a lot of people in the comments dont understand this about life but their children will.

    • @thomaswhite7718
      @thomaswhite7718 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kai-nh9ut Spoken like a true genocide denier. I’m sure that anyone who has ever carried one out shared this sentiment.

    • @BirdsAreRobots-oe3sn
      @BirdsAreRobots-oe3sn หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's out of his mind. US is the big dog with all the money and weapons. We should control Israel not the other way around. Why the US hasn't told them to stop the genocide is a question we all deserve an answer to? Why are we letting our little bitch in the middle east cause all this trouble?

    • @MarkDenmark-nz2pz
      @MarkDenmark-nz2pz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have a psychological issues . I struggle to get over it and I work hard on it. But I can tell you , when I lie, I literally don’t feel any problem. It comes so normal. The lie detector doesn’t now sense a thing . I tried it . These guys like this.

    • @thomaswhite7718
      @thomaswhite7718 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@Kai-nh9utYes I’m sure that’s how all of the perpetrators of genocide thought. And they still committed genocide.

  • @raniayoussef5599
    @raniayoussef5599 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Palestine exposes every hypocrite.

  • @TaurineDippy
    @TaurineDippy 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    “Sometimes sacrifices have to be made, but it is very important that it doesn’t affect me negatively.”

  • @Mistertainment
    @Mistertainment หลายเดือนก่อน +737

    This guy got his talking points directly from the IDF

    • @liorzelering5988
      @liorzelering5988 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Maybe he should take them from Iran

    • @jonathanjinez1523
      @jonathanjinez1523 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ​@@liorzelering5988you must know from all you war experience.

    • @Mistertainment
      @Mistertainment หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@liorzelering5988 you sound like you’re a proponent of the spontaneous squatting escapades movement!

    • @AlexanderY18
      @AlexanderY18 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Now, let's see if you can actually articulate a real argument?....

    • @trhtkify
      @trhtkify หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      try and disprove them mate, you are empty of substance

  • @yazenwekhyan7178
    @yazenwekhyan7178 หลายเดือนก่อน +430

    The lesson here is that you can be well spoken and ignorant simultaneously.

    • @TheJas7271
      @TheJas7271 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Sometimes it’s not even just ignorance, you also have to be wicked to justify 💣 children, elders women civilians.

    • @barneyrubble8255
      @barneyrubble8255 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This british clown is making money of the killing of children, in one way or another. Strange joe keeps having these guys on, but none of the voices who are against whats happening

    • @adirsab
      @adirsab หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Did you write this about yourself?

    • @robertpirsig5011
      @robertpirsig5011 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      His arguments are insane. No justification for any of what he's spouting

    • @Dascorpio36
      @Dascorpio36 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@adirsab🤡

  • @hassanattar9697
    @hassanattar9697 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Joe really surprised me with his logical and nuanced perspectove on this. Ive seen he had a lot of pro isreal guests on recently and figured he might be insensitive to the palestinian struggle. He understands that tragedy does not justify more tragedy.

  • @reid5885
    @reid5885 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Joe- “this has never happened before” history- “Which example would you like?”

    • @burdawg3000
      @burdawg3000 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The examples were all blatantly inaccurate

    • @Broodkast8
      @Broodkast8 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Joe Rogan is never a good source lol...

  • @christopherwyatt2771
    @christopherwyatt2771 หลายเดือนก่อน +918

    Holy fuck. Did he just say Cromwell fought for the "modern idea of democracy"? What the fuck is this guy on?

    • @JakeJ.-yi1du
      @JakeJ.-yi1du หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Maybe he fought for the idea of democracy, but he certainly didn't practice it.

    • @AgxntOrange
      @AgxntOrange หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      Explains a lot actually, he's probably seething at the irish support for palestine too.

    • @NostalgiaVomitBootlegs
      @NostalgiaVomitBootlegs หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just an idiot cramming the largest words he knows on top of one another to justify genocide. Period.

    • @thebillryan
      @thebillryan หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      Yeah, us Irish really loved Cromwell's brand of democracy!

    • @AK-ms5zk
      @AK-ms5zk หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah you caught that to

  • @allanr143
    @allanr143 หลายเดือนก่อน +120

    Dude definitely expected Joe to just fold on him and agree. It's not ok to kill innocent people, it doesn't matter how many words you use to explain it, how much it was done in the past, or whose homeland you're attempting to establish.

    • @dshappir
      @dshappir หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      He didn't say killing innocent people is "ok". He said the deaths of innocent people is unfortunately unavoidable in war. Especially when their own government is using them as Human Shields, building bunkers under their homes, fighting out of uniform, and firing from behind them.

    • @allanr143
      @allanr143 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dshappir watch it again man. Joe makes a point that he wouldn't be ok with "unavoidable" deaths if they were Jewish. Bombing a hospital is not "unavoidable".

    • @BobbyIsmaiel2424
      @BobbyIsmaiel2424 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dshappirno evidence of human shield. Only Israeli peddled propaganda

    • @ehaaron
      @ehaaron หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "innocent people" ok

    • @geronimo80140
      @geronimo80140 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What a ridiculous summary of what he was saying

  • @yuvaloz5871
    @yuvaloz5871 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice arguments but forgot to mention a very important fact: Hamas is holding hundreds of Israeli hostages in Gaza. That’s why Israel can’t stop the war, they will never give up on their civilians, like any country should do.

  • @robertbeasley638
    @robertbeasley638 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Why didn't this happen under Trump?

  • @CK-lq5gm
    @CK-lq5gm หลายเดือนก่อน +598

    A Brit talking about morally justifying occupation and civilian casualties?! shocking....

    • @anglodoomer5995
      @anglodoomer5995 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      O'Neill is Irish

    • @reyrodriguez4280
      @reyrodriguez4280 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      @@anglodoomer5995maybe his ancestors were but he talks and acts like a Brit, was probably raised there

    • @grlfcgombeenhunter2897
      @grlfcgombeenhunter2897 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@reyrodriguez4280 west Brit

    • @JonathanMullan25
      @JonathanMullan25 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a Irishman watching this, it doesn't surprise me. he gives a complete green light to the Zionist regime. Prick makes me sick, just like black and tans

    • @gideonkaufmann1899
      @gideonkaufmann1899 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      There is no occupation... Disputed maybe.... Name a war where civilians have never died? Hypocrite!

  • @Funkmondays
    @Funkmondays หลายเดือนก่อน +435

    This guy brushed off the Ireland conflict like it was peanuts. Wow

    • @easydoesit83
      @easydoesit83 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      They have a habit of doing that

    • @antwandadon2341
      @antwandadon2341 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@easydoesit83They or (((they)))?

    • @duncefunce1513
      @duncefunce1513 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      He's Irish, and historically very pro-The Republic of Ireland. So much so that his old publication was accused of being pro-IRA.

    • @hannesgranlund8838
      @hannesgranlund8838 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Still, he brushes off a thirty year long war like nothing

    • @duncefunce1513
      @duncefunce1513 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@hannesgranlund8838 they weren't talking about Northern Ireland. Had that been the subject at hand, O'Neil would have had a lot to say about it.

  • @Gman-ch5lk
    @Gman-ch5lk 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Never trust anyone who uses the word “conundrum”

  • @Wawi633
    @Wawi633 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +66

    Another element to this dilemma, is thequestion, did Israel attempt other methods to bring an end to this 75 year conflict? If they had only chosen to bomb, then sure I can see Joe's point. But we have witnessed Israel agreeing to a two-state solution in1948, followed by an attempt by five Arab armies to actually commit genocide. In 1967, Israel defeated the Arabs in six days and immediately offered the Arab world the territories in exchange for peace, and the Arab League said "NO". The Oslo Agreements brought great hope in 1993 but that led to a campaign of bus bombings by the PLO. In the year 2000 Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat met with Bill Clinton at Camp David, they had an agreement, which Arafat pulled out of at the last moment. The next day the Second intifada began. Since then there has been the Wye Agreement and other agreements that have separated the territories into entities, A, B and C. In A and B the Palestinians vote in elections to the Palestinian Authority currently led by Abbas and police themselves, as well as Gaza, which became "un-occupied" in 2006. This led to rocket attacks from Gaza, which brings about Israeli retaliation.
    Israel has tried every option to make peace, and all have been turned down. I wish Joe Rogan would read some history of the region. The attempts to make peace, right from the beginning, serve to make the destroy Hamas option a moral imperative. As all Americans right of Stalin would agree it is incumbent on the federal government of any nation to take up arms to protect its people and secure its borders.

    • @kourtneybelisle8326
      @kourtneybelisle8326 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Good on you for bringing actual history to this conversation

    • @sollybradley6481
      @sollybradley6481 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      All very true ❤

    • @limassolblock358
      @limassolblock358 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sollybradley6481all very true if you take at face value the israeli narrative. I could totally reverse that from the 1948 nakba all the way until the 1st intifada with the narrative being that Israel crashed the two state solution at every turn. At the end of the day how do you explain the great fence along the west bank, the ever growing settlements over the years against every law. What about the dead palestinian children in the west bank before October the 7th?

    • @IBLIZA23
      @IBLIZA23 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      True but there’s slight bias.
      Not going in too much details but these peace deals were mostly favoring Israel.
      The initial two state proposal by the UN had allocated more land towards the Jewish settlers. I can’t recall the exact figures but it was something like 30% of the population were settlers and they got allocated 52% of the land.
      Even the Oslo accords, the fine print had Israel still controlling certain essential infrastructure such as power, water etc. No military, limited maritime allowed. The occupier and the occupied aren’t equals in negotiations.

    • @thomaslesny61
      @thomaslesny61 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The only comment here which is knowlegable. Thank You. I was losing hope

  • @latesk8er
    @latesk8er หลายเดือนก่อน +479

    Thank you Joe for pushing back against this ridiculous guy.

    • @HankSemoreButz
      @HankSemoreButz หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      He didn’t make a good rebuttal

    • @chrisbrown2211
      @chrisbrown2211 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      He needs Dave Smith there

    • @HankSemoreButz
      @HankSemoreButz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrisbrown2211 Dave tries to ride the fence like a stripper rides a pole…

    • @gsp3428
      @gsp3428 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ridiculous to people like you Hamas people.

    • @vanyllinha
      @vanyllinha หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Please bring Abby Martin

  • @joshuamartin4849
    @joshuamartin4849 หลายเดือนก่อน +226

    As a vet I can assure you no war is just. You are only being used. There are no winners. No glory. No heros.

    • @No_ReGretzky99
      @No_ReGretzky99 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sorry man you had to be put through that I tried to join the military at 19 but I had a withdrawal Caesar from alcohol from bad choices I wanted to be a fighter pilot and fly f-16s and if I couldn't fly them I wanted to fly the f-15 strike eagle thank you for your service❤❤❤❤

    • @TroyJScott
      @TroyJScott หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      “War doesn’t make boys men, War makes men dead”

    • @rstone3317
      @rstone3317 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you for your service, Joshua. I'm sorry our nation took it for granted.

    • @osawatomie
      @osawatomie หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I’m sorry for your service, but sounds like you’ve become wiser because of it 🤜🏿

    • @10oner
      @10oner หลายเดือนก่อน

      U arent a real vet u are a pog

  • @noopy4085
    @noopy4085 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Where is Abby Martin and will Joe ever bring her back? 🤷‍♂️

  • @trip_delight
    @trip_delight วันที่ผ่านมา

    Drawing this argument constantly back to morality is.... something

  • @Biostalker420
    @Biostalker420 หลายเดือนก่อน +775

    I'm making a moral judgement on Mr O'Neill and it's not good.

    • @anglodoomer5995
      @anglodoomer5995 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      hes written in defence of child predators before

    • @docwashburn430
      @docwashburn430 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@anglodoomer5995 Link please?

    • @adamcraig1468
      @adamcraig1468 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Moral based on what standard?

    • @Benbones99
      @Benbones99 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      So invading Nazi Germany was bad according to your logic.

    • @prohibitions1571
      @prohibitions1571 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stupid people tend to think like you.

  • @lI_LoCo_Il
    @lI_LoCo_Il หลายเดือนก่อน +434

    He sounds like a British politician, the speech patterns are exactly like Sunak and what he says is exactly like an Israel spokesperson

    • @simba8665
      @simba8665 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Very delusional indeed

    • @chi15800
      @chi15800 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      except that he only said true correct stuff if you think about it without any bias ;)

    • @jankaufmann4305
      @jankaufmann4305 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The discussion in this war is absurd.
      First. Israel acted selflessly to live in peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. It was more than a decade ago when Israel itself ordered Israeli citizens who had lived there for decades to literally leave their homes. The first thing the Palestinians did in return was to elect a government that enshrined the goal of destroying Israel in the constitution. The elected government followed through with its promise. Since its founding, thousands of rockets have flown into Israeli settlement areas. Dozens of civilians died in terrorist attacks. Millions of aid funds - intended for civilian institutions - were misused to sponsor this terrorism. October 7th was just what Humus had been doing for years.
      Secondly. Israel behaved more humanely in this conflict than any other conceivable party in any imaginable conflict. It allowed Palestinians to work in Israel, receive medical care or even migrate to Israel. During war, they warn civilians where their military is operating. They admit collateral damage and apologize for it.
      The situation is clear. In no other conflict the responsibility for the suffering has been so one sided and clear - in no other conflict have the perpetrators been held accountable so weakly. People with voice and power who claim to reject war and the nature of war have a duty to unequivocally name the culprit of this war and do everything in their power to eliminate them. Everything else is responsibility for the resulting suffering and is as history has proved continuing this madness.

    • @rolon4260
      @rolon4260 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is MOST PROBABLY PAID HANDSOMELY by his isreali masters and has clearly handed his soul to the devils

    • @chi15800
      @chi15800 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jankaufmann4305 yeah cause humus are literally a death cult that see pally deaths as heroism even for kids, they don't care about their own lives let alone pally people, all they wanna do is keep doing oct7ths and even at larger scales if they could, up to the ultimate scale. yet millions in the west march and protest for them =)) the post-truth society is a wild place

  • @stubbscoil
    @stubbscoil 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    its simple really,
    if your sister were taken into gaza, wouldn't you support this to make them release her?
    if you lived near gaza, wouldn't you support this to ensure your children can live peacfully?

  • @Bakeder_than_pizza
    @Bakeder_than_pizza 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If Israel wanted to target "civilians" there wouldn't be one standing building in gaza, regardless of that the palis are the heart and soul of hamas so they should stop crying just because they're paying for their actions, about 1000 of the terrorists on 7.10 were just "regular civilians" that hamas called out spontaneously a short time before the attack, if you can justify people who raid like barbarians on a whim than youre on the side of the modern nazis

  • @patrickrobinson7541
    @patrickrobinson7541 หลายเดือนก่อน +337

    It’s fascinating to see this guy talking about young people when people who are older than the state of Israel’s itself criticize Israel

    • @onepunchman8328
      @onepunchman8328 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      so do they criticize palestine

    • @robfarrell9104
      @robfarrell9104 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And yet those same critics are silent on the Ukraine conflict.

    • @just_the_messenger
      @just_the_messenger หลายเดือนก่อน

      Classic anti-Israeli non sequitur. He is talking about young western ignoramuses who support Hamas because they are "oppressed". They aren't. If they used the billions in aid money the west has sent them for anything other than making their leaders in Qatar billionaires and bombs, they could be a flourishing people. But they aren't and they are two b*tch made to admit it's their own fault.

    • @patrickrobinson7541
      @patrickrobinson7541 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@robfarrell9104 some people are but some aren’t.

    • @patrickrobinson7541
      @patrickrobinson7541 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@onepunchman8328 yes they do

  • @gallaxseizor9216
    @gallaxseizor9216 หลายเดือนก่อน +352

    Remember, speaking sophisticated and sounding intelligent doesn't mean you have high IQ and this vid speaks it perfectly

    • @pmwtf7406
      @pmwtf7406 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Best comment of the year anywhere, right on

    • @duncefunce1513
      @duncefunce1513 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      But being unable to demonstrates that you have a low one, Mr Speaking Sophisticated

    • @gallaxseizor9216
      @gallaxseizor9216 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@duncefunce1513 ?? Anyways

    • @Brandon-tk2rw
      @Brandon-tk2rw หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Jesus, use grammerly. Or find an adult to help your writing.

    • @Brandon-tk2rw
      @Brandon-tk2rw หลายเดือนก่อน

      "anyway"

  • @jordenhaddad561
    @jordenhaddad561 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It's not a "moral question", it's an existential war

  • @lindaflesch7303
    @lindaflesch7303 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anti-Genocide is what protests are about.

  • @taraalbarran
    @taraalbarran หลายเดือนก่อน +379

    Listening to his logic is extremely unsettling. How can these people not see that INNOCENT PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE TO DIE??

    • @tituslaird1265
      @tituslaird1265 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Listening to your logic is unsetlling. You: "Look Israel I know that for 70 years the Palestinian government has supported, funded, and taught terrorists who rape, murder, and kill Jews simply because they are Jews, but you should just lay down and take it. I mean look, even though we are rewarding terrorists by refusing to kill them if they hide behind their own familie's lives, not to mention allowing them to repeat more attacks on your own women and children in the future, it's still wrong to try to kill them." The inverted morality is shocking to see.

    • @WizardOVOz
      @WizardOVOz หลายเดือนก่อน

      “Innocent people do not deserve to die”
      When Hamas says they will conduct October 7 attacks again and again, that is exactly what Israel is trying to prevent.
      Why can’t you see that if you don’t want endless innocent deaths year after year ?

    • @gzman1
      @gzman1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what did they expect when the attacked ? or maybe rebel/vote out Hamas, o right they are not a democracy...

    • @mz4kids
      @mz4kids หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      are you referring to the children hunted down and killed on October 7 ? Hunted down and killed

    • @OKers999
      @OKers999 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      @@mz4kidsthis all didn’t start on October 7th. Learn your history

  • @Montyvegas66
    @Montyvegas66 หลายเดือนก่อน +625

    Digging up graves & removing bodies all for new settlements is heartbreaking for the whole of humanity

    • @information_handle
      @information_handle หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Can you think of any other reason they would dig them? Perhaps a habit of one side of the conflict to peddle in corpses?

    • @yakov95000
      @yakov95000 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Digging up Graves was how Israel found dead hostages...

    • @ahmedarish7720
      @ahmedarish7720 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Because they are Evil

    • @Mj_Billz
      @Mj_Billz หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@yakov95000 you believe that nonsense, funny stuff.

    • @user-mu4hg8zy4q
      @user-mu4hg8zy4q หลายเดือนก่อน

      No kidding. I've never seen anything so evil. We are seeing children being killed and amputated every day, most with no anesthetics. They are an Apartheid State. The idf is full of shit. Lies, lies, lies.

  • @EvanOrNBZ
    @EvanOrNBZ 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    if you paid any attention in history. You can make a ton of parallels to the Vietnam war to the Israel Hamas war

  • @jackhammerside
    @jackhammerside หลายเดือนก่อน +389

    It's nice to drop this snippet on here so that I know not to bother with this episode on Spotify

    • @donottman2018
      @donottman2018 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You shouldnt bother with any episodes to be fair😂

    • @hatsofftoroyharper2
      @hatsofftoroyharper2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      100%

    • @billyglimstead5204
      @billyglimstead5204 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He's back on TH-cam full episodes

    • @gagediffee2722
      @gagediffee2722 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Factssss

    • @gagediffee2722
      @gagediffee2722 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The amount of factual selectivity makes me wanna throw up. Maybe just start with the fact that Israel is in a apartheid state? As deemed by nearly every human rights group out there. INCLUDING THOSES IN ISRAEL

  • @Sam-us7tg
    @Sam-us7tg หลายเดือนก่อน +183

    Joe has gotten so good at just letting guest dig themselves into logical holes all the while keeping distance and disagreeing politely.

    • @anthonygil1522
      @anthonygil1522 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It was amazing ...I don't know how Joe keeps his composure so well...

    • @Sam-us7tg
      @Sam-us7tg หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@anthonygil1522 he’s come such a long way from when he went meathead on Stephen Crowder all those years ago

    • @Wawi633
      @Wawi633 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Please name one of the n "logical holes"? of which you speak?

  • @rudydesi
    @rudydesi 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Look at what we did to the native americans? Look at what spain did to the natives in mexico? This happens in every country

  • @romeo-lin8818
    @romeo-lin8818 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    M so glad i missed this ep, imagine listening to this guy for hours.

  • @dan15000
    @dan15000 หลายเดือนก่อน +285

    The ‘moral’ argument for bombing civilians???

    • @jakobsrensen1684
      @jakobsrensen1684 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The moral failure lies in the hands of Hamas

    • @anthonygil1522
      @anthonygil1522 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Really unbelievable....

    • @littlecatfeet9064
      @littlecatfeet9064 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      See Dresden, WWII. Civilian deaths are always terrible, but this war was started by an action of terror by Hamas, whose strategy is always using civilian human shields. Why did they never build bomb shelters for their people in 15 years? They were receiving billions in aid.

    • @Darkenergy104
      @Darkenergy104 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@littlecatfeet9064 you do realize that Dresden was condemned by the allies and why international law was created...at this point why even discuss war crimes?

    • @ayoub8109
      @ayoub8109 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      the Palestinians are occupied for 75 years they have every right to fight back the occupation

  • @Rlntlssblvr
    @Rlntlssblvr หลายเดือนก่อน +264

    Why are both of you not talking about why Hamas exists??

    • @AwgTheMMAlover
      @AwgTheMMAlover หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Its not even a theory, its stated fact in interviews. On point good Sir.

    • @user-ny2en5og9p
      @user-ny2en5og9p หลายเดือนก่อน

      It exists because Bibi satanyahu funded Hamas via Qatar to divide Palestine and PLO

    • @hahayes5232
      @hahayes5232 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Because most people don’t actually care to look into history that deeply and because others are paid not to care.

    • @layinlow77
      @layinlow77 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Or that Pa lesti nians had been the victims of violent persecution for 40 yrs before it existed.

    • @dadistos4538
      @dadistos4538 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@layinlow77 you're gonna play the persecution game with the J's? LMAO

  • @jamesbester7520
    @jamesbester7520 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    What is the alternative?

    • @josejaquez4100
      @josejaquez4100 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Permanent ceasefire, no more settlements, equal rights, end the occupation of Palestine.

  • @rileyjohnston9859
    @rileyjohnston9859 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    People seem to forget about the “Blitzcreig”

  • @Leo-ym9ls
    @Leo-ym9ls หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    Joe, invide your old friend Abby Martin to discuss this issue

    • @paraguita10
      @paraguita10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I think he doesn’t want to hear what really is going on there

    • @seansean7653
      @seansean7653 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      He's not allow .. probably will lose some sponsorship.

    • @Drenny1
      @Drenny1 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Abby doesn’t come off as credible. I like her, but there are more knowledgeable and rational advocates for the Palestinians out there.

    • @kidheyful
      @kidheyful หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Ahh abby. The woman who refuses to denounce Hamas. Sure. Then bring on Finkelstein too. Reputable people..

    • @bdalack
      @bdalack หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, that paid Al Jazeera mouthpiece who can vomit lies with a straight face who openly admits that she doesn`t even know really what happened on Oct. 7, but that does not prevent her from parroting the lies to accuse Israel of every imaginable crime. What a waste of human life

  • @ichigocomeoutandfightmeyou6149
    @ichigocomeoutandfightmeyou6149 หลายเดือนก่อน +622

    Defending war crimes is unacceptable regardless of someone's nationality.

    • @adamcraig1468
      @adamcraig1468 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Is morality subjective?

    • @herbthompson8937
      @herbthompson8937 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      No such thing as war crimes. War is war.

    • @mwest9769
      @mwest9769 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Israel hasn’t committed war crimes

    • @sefocrocker8410
      @sefocrocker8410 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      And hamas? Palestinians?

    • @elijahsalas6170
      @elijahsalas6170 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@herbthompson8937there are rules to war

  • @robertmontalvo597
    @robertmontalvo597 หลายเดือนก่อน +350

    The first casualty of war is the truth

    • @FlCarScene
      @FlCarScene หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Yes and it was Palestinians who were attacked first

    • @alitharealist4730
      @alitharealist4730 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@FlCarScene 75 yrs ago?

    • @sniper161718
      @sniper161718 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good one

    • @johnalexander4940
      @johnalexander4940 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Truth doesn't bleed persons do. The obligation to adhere to Truth standards die at the hands of those who deny its power to act righteously.

    • @sami7ny
      @sami7ny หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sure 75 years ago and every freakin year after that. Your colonialist mindset will not let you see that. You can’t just get away with it. Call them whatever you like, they have every right whatsoever to rise up against the people oppressing and occupying them

  • @karnold3413
    @karnold3413 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    But he’s ignoring the fact that it was not Britain’s right to declare Palestine “Israel”. It was already Palestine at the time.

  • @Repelsteeltjeh
    @Repelsteeltjeh 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This man could not have said it any better. Hamas was chosen by gazans and recent polls show that 70% of gazans still stand behind hamas and what hamas stands for. Gaza was given to palestinians under the agreement that they would stop attacking. Gazans have chosen to keep attacking and people were dancing in the streets when hamas did so.

  • @rsakhaled
    @rsakhaled หลายเดือนก่อน +256

    Give them England as their own country.

    • @Dave-cf4vd
      @Dave-cf4vd หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      "They" (the UN) gave Jews Israel and gave Palestinians Jordan. It is already settled.

    • @Qleverett
      @Qleverett หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      He said they were attacked for race… not that they stole land n are ethnicity cleansing

    • @Sharkdanceteacher
      @Sharkdanceteacher หลายเดือนก่อน

      This guy would find a way to defend British history of killing people in foreign lands

    • @quercus3290
      @quercus3290 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      they already have that country

    • @rsakhaled
      @rsakhaled หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Dave-cf4vd nope they the UN say westbank and Gaza including Jerusalem are occupued by the GENOCIDE ARMY.

  • @JoeRivera
    @JoeRivera หลายเดือนก่อน +138

    Nah bro this dude is wild, his argument is built on a foundation that is crumbling right in front of the world for everyone to see

    • @adirsab
      @adirsab หลายเดือนก่อน

      bot

    • @PastaCool
      @PastaCool 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@adirsabschizophrenic

    • @The_Red_Off_Road
      @The_Red_Off_Road 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And getting worse. Mossad is full power right now with shutting down the protests and putting sheep like this guy in front of cameras. He says make a moral judgement, I don’t think he knows what morals are.

    • @justinlatorre5502
      @justinlatorre5502 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Very well said

    • @adirsab
      @adirsab 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@PastaCool bot

  • @richardgraceful1323
    @richardgraceful1323 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    An Englishman saying this after the crap they pulled in Ireland is priceless

  • @ronniejmilton9686
    @ronniejmilton9686 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Someone explain to Joe that Gaza voted for Hamas and elected them to power. The Mexican people do not support the cartels the way the Palestinian people support Hamas.

  • @Dremth
    @Dremth หลายเดือนก่อน +251

    It's pretty bold to keep asking the question of what is "morally" right, yet still implying the answer is: "killing innocent civilians is a means to an end."

    • @MitchellRMiller-lt1xi
      @MitchellRMiller-lt1xi หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Your ignorance about war, the history of war, and the laws of war, is just proof of the total failure of the educational system. I don't hold that against you. What I do hold against you is offering an opinion about something about which you know nothing.

    • @tevildo45
      @tevildo45 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The people who scream loudest for war do so from the comfort of their own armchairs. They know they will not have to fight the wars themselves

    • @brnm973
      @brnm973 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@MitchellRMiller-lt1xi War is a faliure of human endeavor on every front. Knowing the history of it will teach you that.

    • @holydivurMLG
      @holydivurMLG หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tevildo45 except the jihadist that kill people and scream jihad jihad jihad

    • @angru_arches
      @angru_arches หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@tevildo45 the people who scream the loudest for ceasefire have never been threatened existentially...thus, the ignorance of "luxurious moralising."

  • @Tina_Fay
    @Tina_Fay หลายเดือนก่อน +120

    I cannot believe Joe has listened to Abby Martin talk for hours and he has no rebuttal

    • @21972012145525
      @21972012145525 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I know. 🤦

    • @GaryARahn
      @GaryARahn หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Good interviewers let the person express themselves. It's not a debate, it's an interview.

    • @garrettramirez428
      @garrettramirez428 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@GaryARahnSo when's he having Abby Martin on again?

    • @ryandamon9390
      @ryandamon9390 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Where's Bassem

    • @21972012145525
      @21972012145525 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@ryandamon9390 im literally waiting for basem

  • @SalAveNU
    @SalAveNU 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why don't people see the terrorists hiding behind innocent civilians as the villians ? Why are the people who are defending themselves being seen as the villians ?

  • @remta613
    @remta613 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The issue is both sides of this conflict are doing aweful things and theres only one side recieving billions of dollars in western aide and weapons.

  • @lldemise_ll
    @lldemise_ll หลายเดือนก่อน +159

    "You know what's worse than killing innocent civilians... people not wanting innocent civilians to be killed" - Brendan O'Neil

    • @joweydelanota7421
      @joweydelanota7421 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Genocidal statement of the year

    • @alniter1919
      @alniter1919 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That was a bar .... 💯💯💯

    • @Poopopotamusgaming
      @Poopopotamusgaming หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah it was more like not wanting innocent civilians to be killed over and over and over again. Whereas they take out Hamas now and it should be over unless palestine attacks again

    • @ehaaron
      @ehaaron หลายเดือนก่อน

      "innocents". how many would you say are innocent, excluding the population under 18.

    • @joweydelanota7421
      @joweydelanota7421 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ehaaron how many according to you?

  • @eoghanleinster
    @eoghanleinster หลายเดือนก่อน +171

    What's Britain excuse for occupying Ireland 🇮🇪 🤔

    • @chivomartinez
      @chivomartinez หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      What’s the arabs excuse to invade Spain 🇪🇸🤔

    • @naseeha450
      @naseeha450 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      What's Israel excuse for occupying Palestinians land ​@@chivomartinez

    • @theearthisntflat5863
      @theearthisntflat5863 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@chivomartinez If you read history, after the Islamic conquest, Spain became one of the richest countries, and Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in luxury until the Crusades came. Which carried out massacres against Jews, Muslims, and opposing Christians. If what you are saying is true, the Spaniards would still hate Muslims, but anyone who reads history knows that the largest massacres in Spain were at the hands of campaigns Crusader

    • @melbialo4919
      @melbialo4919 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@theearthisntflat5863Jews did NOT live in luxury under Spanish rule...ever heard of the Inquisition?! Literally one of the biggest forms of persecution against the Jewish people happened under Spanish & Portuguese rule in the 14/1500s...Jews were almost never living in great conditions...something gentiles generally agreed on across the board historically was that they hated Jewish people. Muslims 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Christians 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Catholics🫱🏻‍🫲🏼Pagans all hated Jews historically speaking..

    • @deanwolf6811
      @deanwolf6811 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@chivomartinez read history and talk after

  • @kogarasamaru165
    @kogarasamaru165 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The irony of this guy say anticolonialist wars were just wars....

  • @DETmichigan-yy6lf
    @DETmichigan-yy6lf 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The civil war in America was much more complex than just slavery.

    • @imakimmy2
      @imakimmy2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This whole situation is not a war other a war being waged against Terrorism. This is a game to Hamas. It isn't about Gaza etc..
      Take note and look for yourself. They're using our own children to chant nonsense of which they cannot possibly know the meaning of. It is Terrorism.

  • @Daddaddaddaddaddaddad
    @Daddaddaddaddaddaddad หลายเดือนก่อน +347

    Dude has rewritten history to justify his argument.

    • @beetalius
      @beetalius หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      what part of history has he rewritten?

    • @HankSemoreButz
      @HankSemoreButz หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@beetaliusdad here is just being triggered

    • @DanielinAction
      @DanielinAction หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@beetaliusthe part where Muslims lie and rape.

    • @layinlow77
      @layinlow77 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@beetalius He just leaves out the fact that Israel violently removed some 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1948 and has persecuted them since. Tries to make it sound like it's all just a matter of hating Joos. And then simply denies their current war crimes that the whole world can see.

    • @adamcraig1468
      @adamcraig1468 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Israel existed before Palestine

  • @youcefdjameleddinemechta3656
    @youcefdjameleddinemechta3656 หลายเดือนก่อน +446

    "you're not supposed to make moral judgement" proceeds to make moral judgement

    • @karthiks2383
      @karthiks2383 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      He’s a nitwit, cringe listening to this guy. Joe Rogan on the other hand, is a legend.

    • @HankSemoreButz
      @HankSemoreButz หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Think you missed the point…

    • @UserOfTheDay
      @UserOfTheDay หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      How could you not care more about your own people than the enemy’s people? This is the only reason you exist right now.

    • @HankSemoreButz
      @HankSemoreButz หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@UserOfTheDay triggered person of the day

    • @tanyac2368
      @tanyac2368 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      You weren’t listening he said it’s unfashionable to make moral judgements but it’s something we must do sometimes

  • @kermitthefrog5926
    @kermitthefrog5926 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Israel has/had the most highly monitored and densely guarded border in the world. HAMAS militants broke through in tractors and trucks, and "nobody saw them coming", and it took the Army a WHOLE DAY to organize a counter attack. It's as if they LET THEM IN and permitted them to commit atrocities, allowing them to justify a war of genocide in the Gaza strip. They want to carpet bomb Gaza into a crater and push the rubble into the sea. And build a lot of new Jewish condos. This is what most of us critical thinkers are seeing, and it makes us sick.

  • @dudleyhouse4632
    @dudleyhouse4632 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Young people in Europe were never kicked out of their homes by a settler group of people

  • @sashaghovanlou8175
    @sashaghovanlou8175 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    The most ironic part of this whole dialogue was when he talks about "just" causes for wars and mentions populations fighting against "colonialism" He doesn't even realize.....

    • @raptor1672
      @raptor1672 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So Islam and Arabs just showed up in Israel by teleportation?🤣

    • @anthonygil1522
      @anthonygil1522 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Exactly! Like he thinks this thing just started on Oct 7
      Just unreal how clueless he is...

    • @Joseph-uj2sk
      @Joseph-uj2sk หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some people are just stupid mate, anyone who thinks this war started Oct 7 is just a moron

    • @johnostro7153
      @johnostro7153 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah he's got a touch of the downs

    • @Michael2512
      @Michael2512 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hahahahah yep!

  • @mohamedalahmadani5174
    @mohamedalahmadani5174 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    The fact that Bassem Yousef hasn’t come on the show yet is bizzare

    • @beetalius
      @beetalius หลายเดือนก่อน

      maybe because he's a disingenous propagandist/charlatain who traffics in lies?

    • @greaterthanharrowk1679
      @greaterthanharrowk1679 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Joe "I'll have anyone unless their views aren't right-adjacent" Rogan

    • @micha3L6969
      @micha3L6969 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I disagree, I think it’s pretty understandable considering how many smart political commentators there are in media, most with diverse opinions on this debate & many other political debates, and Joe is only 1 guy with 2 other careers, with tons of hobbies and he interviews people only he personally finds interesting from ALL walks of life…ironically at the beginning of this episode, Joe actually jokes about the frustration of there being so many interesting people he wants to talk to, yet only so much time & availability. I am sure he will have him on someday

    • @OrangeJuicePapi
      @OrangeJuicePapi หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think he was in tour. I bet he comes on soon.

    • @marcksoriano1678
      @marcksoriano1678 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      100% agree. the fact that he's also a comedian and he's talking about something very important right now.

  • @daviddooley9605
    @daviddooley9605 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You forgot about the US essentially ending WW2 by nuking 2 large cities in Japan and destroying millions of innocent civilians. The defense is, of course, it actually saved more lives in the long run. But neither of these cities were Japanese military targets. So in the view of some now this is considered a genocide. The US, by today’s standards, would have committed an extreme war crime. And ask yourself- why has the US been the only country to use nuclear weapons? The US is way out of line criticizing Israel for their rightful actions and withholding aid and munitions. FJB.

  • @terryh5334
    @terryh5334 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    After reading many of the comments it's clear how little all of these people know nothing of history.

  • @fennecinspace
    @fennecinspace หลายเดือนก่อน +142

    Can we all just remember that having a British accent doesn't mean you're not stupid ... Just take into account any recent british prime minister.

    • @adamwaterhouse
      @adamwaterhouse หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes, absolutely. Americans are waaaay too easily taken in by the British accent. I say this as a Brit.

    • @haqq1
      @haqq1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      dont forget Douglas Murray...

    • @0i0l0o
      @0i0l0o หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂

    • @lolaceline1654
      @lolaceline1654 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂😂😂 true

    • @1goal1
      @1goal1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂

  • @hb9149
    @hb9149 หลายเดือนก่อน +173

    People is Gaza were shot when they tried to access food aid. This is not a just war.

    • @nayastah1439
      @nayastah1439 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is NOT a war. The Palestinians do NOT have any military, no army, no soldiers no tanks, no jets, no bombs, no drones, etc, nothing to defend themselves with!! The other side is armed to the teeth from the No.1 military industrial complex in the world.

    • @waterbear1337
      @waterbear1337 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Have you been to war? That is the reality of war! That is part of war, you can't wage wars and be polite! That's why we should avoid war, and hamas started it!

    • @shitinsideyou
      @shitinsideyou หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Did you mean Hamas members? Same thing happened to ISIS, they got killed while trying to get some food, poor people... We all should cry now.

    • @samehabuerreish8785
      @samehabuerreish8785 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@waterbear1337
      That is what happens between combatants . Not against unarmed civilians . You are calling war crimes . War
      Gazans are occupied people . They don’t have a sovereign state
      This is a genocide aided by USA

    • @RuiFonseca86
      @RuiFonseca86 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@shitinsideyou what the f**k are you talking about? How can children be consider Hamas members? You have problems

  • @zenomlambo8818
    @zenomlambo8818 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not once does he call the truly affected civilians as they are. They are Palestinians, they have been ethnically cleansed for 75 years, they have have been killed in the tens of thousands, they are children of refugees, and are under occupation.

  • @leenkanan4539
    @leenkanan4539 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    joe rogan repeatedly shocking me with the type of people hes giving a platform to speak about the genocide in gaza

  • @FordeTough
    @FordeTough หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    “They need their own country because of what we (Europe) did to them 80 years ago.” Very good point. But then why not give them land in Europe? Why use them to displace a population of people (who had nothing to do with the terrible things that were done to the Jewish people) who have lived on a land for generations and then act surprised when those displaced people don’t want to give up their rights to their land. That is where the problem and conflict started. Not Oct 7.

    • @melbialo4919
      @melbialo4919 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Jewish people are INDIGENOUS to the LAND OF ISRAEL according to *ALL* archeological, anthropological, genetic, biological, & verbal evidence. Even during the Diaspora, there has *always* remained a steady Jewish presence in that land...Palestine isnt even an Arabic word, it was renamed Judea-Palestina by the ROMANS when they conquered the area, & since then there has *never been* an independent country named Palestine ever (the Arabic language doesn't even have the letter P). Just bec European Jews have adapted European looks (biological adaptation 101 btw) bec they migrated there centuries ago after being expelled by the Romans etc, that doesn't negate anything. Besides, what about all the ethnic Sefardi Jews that arent European?! You know the ~850k that were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries? Ahhhh so conveniently forgotten about eh? 🤨🤨...so why should Jewish people be "given" a Homeland anywhere but where they've already been residing for thousands of years?

    • @bodasactra
      @bodasactra หลายเดือนก่อน

      What did Europe do? It was only after several major Israeli terror attacks against the British did they pull out of the mandate and gave it back to the U.N. General Assembly. On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan, ADAOPTED BY 33 VOTES TO 13 with 10 abstentions. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and launched a war of annihilation against the Jewish state.

    • @FordeTough
      @FordeTough หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@melbialo4919 Yes, Jewish people of Arab descent have lived in Palestine forever, and peacefully coexisted with other Arabs of different faiths (Muslims and Christians). Regardless of what you choose to call the land, the conflicts, which continue to this day and have only become bloodier over time, began after Western nations chose to declare the state of Israel on that land and displace the indigenous people with Europeans. Even Palestinian Jews in the Westbank are not treated the same as Israeli Jews. You don’t have to agree with me, but at some point we all have to acknowledge the truth. I don’t believe in the slaughter of any people, regardless of what they believe or where they come from. God gave us life and placed us here on Earth to live in peace. We are the ones who have chosen to make war with one another instead.

    • @FordeTough
      @FordeTough หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bodasactra I was quoting Brendan O’Neill, hence the quotation marks around the statement. And he was referencing the atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust.

    • @bodasactra
      @bodasactra หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FordeTough You agree with it. Israel was approved by the U.N. and created by the Jews themselves fighting off Arab coalition invasion they day they declared a state, its forged with Jewish blood. The Arab invasions displaced Muslims. Israel's constitution stated all were welcome and many stayed. Israel today has over 21% equal Muslim citizens, 2 million people. Muslim states cleansed all their Jews out of spite.

  • @rdman86
    @rdman86 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    Calls Hamas a barbaric army because they stab and kill civilians then proceeds to defend Israel for bombing and killing civilians because “that’s just war, innit?”

    • @mohamedalahmadani5174
      @mohamedalahmadani5174 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly

    • @layinlow77
      @layinlow77 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      hypocrisy off the charts.

    • @TheBadBunny87
      @TheBadBunny87 หลายเดือนก่อน

      War fighters in civilian clothing*

    • @dadistos4538
      @dadistos4538 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Meh, not really comparable tbh. One is personal, and without warning; the other is impersonal and directed specifically at soldiers, soldiers that choose to hide in areas populated by innocent lives. Weird how they went south with the flow of civilians instead of staying in an area where they know THEIR PEOPLE wouldn't be, but so is an extremist death cult, idolizing being "martyred" and hoping their civilians will feel the same.

    • @qooiuler
      @qooiuler หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well Hamas did it because they hate jews and want to exterminate them in any gruesome manner. Hamas is a terrorist organisation and Israel actions is to get rid of a terrorist ruled state. I don't like that Israel is bombing like crazy but I myself know nothing of war so I wouldn't know any other alternative. I think letting Hamas continue like nothing happened is the biggest mistake and its signalling that they have a very effective tactic of making themselves untouchable

  • @TheGabrielsancheese
    @TheGabrielsancheese 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Here in the USA we don’t take kindly to these extremist folk

  • @bigduke12180ify
    @bigduke12180ify 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Takes a lot of balls to sit there and tell another nation to open up their borders and give a piece of their land to someone else. All while not giving anything themselves.

  • @zeinaeljorr4054
    @zeinaeljorr4054 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

    Well give them YOUR country if you did this to them, not someone else's!!!

    • @information_handle
      @information_handle หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      What country was there before the current one?

    • @hexlemorte5201
      @hexlemorte5201 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@information_handlelook at a map before Israel it still says Palestine

    • @ElishaZakai
      @ElishaZakai หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      The West Bank is literally called Judah and Samaria for 3000 years, and all of the historic names of the ancient cities are in Hebrew. I think there might be a reason that’s the land they ended in…

    • @roberthoddinott9160
      @roberthoddinott9160 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@ElishaZakaiwhat other people's would you find acceptable to uproot the current people and import people who lived there in antiquity? That's a genuine question.

    • @patriklundvall3296
      @patriklundvall3296 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      you make it sound like "palestine" existed as a country, before 69 :D before westbank, it was Jordan, before Jordan it was the british, Before british it was egypt. Before egypt it was ottomans, before ottomans it was mamluks before mamluks it was Annubids, before annubids it was kingdom jerusalem, So what "before" are you talking about?

  • @wicksavage3459
    @wicksavage3459 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Very fascinating to me that he brings up that the Iraq war was started under false pretenses and that it was wrong right after spouting out propaganda hasbara IDF talking points.

  • @khaliltribie8739
    @khaliltribie8739 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can he not make the exact same argument from the beginning for Palestine?

  • @forsakeen5361
    @forsakeen5361 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The mental gymnastics this guy has to do to justify a genocide is scary.

  • @JM-re1zn
    @JM-re1zn หลายเดือนก่อน +154

    Dude says fighting colonialism is just and then condemns hamas for fighting colonialism.

    • @abdihoussein5245
      @abdihoussein5245 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      What a guy huh ? 😂😂😂

    • @delaseoul87
      @delaseoul87 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      The British Mandate was colonialism. Israel is not colonialist.

    • @fucanaoasis2000
      @fucanaoasis2000 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Which country is Israel a colony of ?

    • @periechontology
      @periechontology หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's condemning Hamas for intentionally killing babies

    • @wicksavage3459
      @wicksavage3459 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@fucanaoasis2000 You have never heard of settler colonialism have you

  • @sampson4886
    @sampson4886 หลายเดือนก่อน +142

    Yeah screw this guy this isnt even a "war"

    • @gsp3428
      @gsp3428 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Oh Israel is just supposed to stop, this isnt a game, If Hamas actually cared about their people they could surrender any time. But they dont for some reason.

    • @Lockdown335
      @Lockdown335 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@gsp3428 Average social media Hamas bot: "Did Israel just try being nice?" LOL

    • @AD-kf5po
      @AD-kf5po หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gsp3428They can keep going. But need to cut it out with calling others terrorist when they are committing terroristic acts themselves. They are no longer the “good” guys

    • @dewmontain123
      @dewmontain123 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He says young people aint ever been to war. When the fook has he been to war? 😂

    • @rustneversleeps85
      @rustneversleeps85 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It is a war. Hamas represents the Palestinian vote. They voted for ppl who organized and did these atrocities to Israeli civilians. It is a declaration of war.

  • @barakau
    @barakau 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Comparing fighting for slavery with what Israel is doing is shocking.

  • @flurpysopinions2918
    @flurpysopinions2918 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The civil war was NOT about slavery.

  • @gregmattes2119
    @gregmattes2119 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Guy is basically saying America should have given up instead of fighting the oppression of the british empire. This is a completely absurd take.

    • @danielleetaylor
      @danielleetaylor หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      America is also a colonial settler state though to be fair - Native Americans are probably quite pissed off

    • @lanpartylandlord6123
      @lanpartylandlord6123 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danielleetayloryeah and they fought back too, and were justified in doing so

  • @OM-ir9bb
    @OM-ir9bb หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    “We used to think education would deliver people from ignorance”…
    It clearly didn’t for you brotha!!!

  • @darrylwernke2466
    @darrylwernke2466 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Imagine starting a war then Play victim lol.

  • @jeremybrocknblue5593
    @jeremybrocknblue5593 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Calling what Israel is doing to Palestine “a war” is so so wrong.

  • @edmurphy9028
    @edmurphy9028 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The United States didn’t stop the war with Japan after the Japanese death toll exceeded those lost at Pearl Harbor. They finished the war and stopped the threat of Japan regrouping and becoming a threat once again.