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I couldn't go ultralight when I rode the Continental Divide and the Baja Divide routes. I did do some additional road riding on both trips so I carried my standard front and rear Ortlieb panniers. I firmly believe in carrying all the gear needed for maintenance, comfortable primitive camping including cooking, and everything needed in the event of emergency weather or injury delays so I won't need to rely on someone else for support. This philosophy has served me well after thousands of miles ridden even though occasionally I have to push up some of the steep hills due to the weight (no shame in that I'm 70 years old now and no spring chicken)
Cool to see Ortlieb bags actually being used and hearing that they do work. Wasn't sure about how good they were given so many people using Revelate Designs, Porcelain Rocket etc.
Ortlieb is „unsexy“ and Mainstream in most eyes... and they come from the time where bikepackers used panierbags on heavy trecking bikes... besides beeing „not cool“ they are also expensive. So hipster people forget that Orlieb where among the first in the market with real waterproof bags...
Hello Christian, that's personal taste as always. Note that a lot of people are still exploring the world by bicycle using touring bikes and bikepacking bags haven't replaced that amazing experience that is panier bag touring, mainly because that's 2 different kind of journeys and carrying capacity. It's probably because bikepacking is "trendy" that you hear more about this practice these days. Regarding the pricing, on what comparison do you base your comment? To our knowledge, Ortlieb (with a manufacture in Europe) is in the same price range than a lot of asian-manufactures such as Apidura.
@@BikingMan Exactly right, I'm not super bothered whether I buy paniers or bikepacking bags for when I start travelling because I reckon t's all about the time spent riding.
Hello Boris, thanks for your comment I will share an example of configuration in a future video. I'm generally going ultra minimalistic as the combination tent/bivy and sleeping can take a lot of space. In Peru last year I used a sub 800gr tent, a therm-a-rest mattress combined with a 0°C comfort sleeping bag.
I see bike packers with minimal gear where do you put food for multi day trips what about bathing do you take a towel or just drip dry in the bushes? In the past i toured with a fully loaded long haul trucker loaded weighs 85 pounds. Now i tour on specialized diverge gravel grinder 48x32 rings 11x36 cassette, front panniers bar bag and rear rack to hold street shoes, food and over flow. Got weight down to 55lbs including 2 full water bottles. I take a tent, bivi bags suck in the rain if you cant get dressed in it its worthless. Im 70 years old and need some comfort. I still average about 12 mph. Fast tours on my tarmac with bar bag and handle bar bag i move a little faster but thats eating out and staying in motels. Being on the road is the best way to spend your time. Anyone out there who hasn't toured or bike packed just get what ever equipment you can and ride you wont regret it. See you on the road. An Old Guy
Hello, I used to bike tour with a 60 kg loaded Koga world traveler and store up to 15 liters of water in the Moroccan desert or the South Lipez in Bolivia, touring does help to carry way more stuff. Ultra bikepacking implies to carry less and move faster. On an average 8 hours days, I can cover 2.5 the distance than when I was touring, with a lighter bikepacking configuration. It turns the food, water and sleeping challenges to a different world. Food and water can be found en route by covering more distances. For sleeping, there are some ultra light solutions as well that I used in Peru but it's again ultra minimalism. The pleasure of going slow and loaded with a lot of gear with a touring bike is a different goal, not less fascinating I agree ;-) See you somewhere en route and keep pedaling ;-)
Great video...well done!...Thanks for sharing your experiences in this brief video... I use the Ortlieb bikepacking bags, too. I fully agree your review on these bags.
It's a choice of do you want to be comfortable on the bike or at your campsite and I know I spend more time on my bike then at camp so I'm trying to ride light great video. Thanks
Wow, habe mein Französisch war mal für etwas nützlich und hat ausgereicht! Merci Beaucoup pour un possibilité pour utilisé mon mal française. C'est un trés bon question. Bon regards -un fou Alman
Great video. It would be interesting which minimum gear is really necessary to go out on the road for a bikepacking trip, e.g. for sleeping, bike maintenance, and recharging batteries.
Hello Dominik, thanks for your comment. For the minimum gear, it is really up to your trip: how many days, where do you plan to go and to what extent you're willing to limit your comfort zone (especially for camping outside). That said, we keep your idea in mind for a future tutorial ;-)
Thanks for the great video! Which tape are you using to protect the Open bike (visible at 0:56 in the video) ? Never had problems with the paint when you've taken it off ?
a lot of solutions with brands like OPEN, Specialized, Salsa are available. There ain't "a best bike" so to speak. You need to define your budget and study the route you'll follow to help you choose the good bike configuration (gear, weight, frame type etc)
Thank you for your review and sharing your experience. I notice you used a triathlon split saddle on long expedition. Is it better than a regular saddle?
Hello Sang, better is a strong word for saddle as it's really up to personal taste, physiology and bike fit. Axel has been testing a lot of saddle having climbed more than 1,000,000 meters with different bike configurations and the split saddle has been his best choice to date. The best way for you is to try it on and do a perfect bike fit and see how you go ;-)
Hello Pedro, that's another option indeed, for extra water capacity. Axel is not a big fan on long expeditions with many hours per day spent on the bike, it can be painful to carry, but that's personal taste. It is also possible to use the hydration bag into one of the panniers listed in the tutorial. Many options ;-)
Hi Michael, thanks for your comment. Yes I'm using lateral bottle cages. It's not "easy" to use but I find it OK to use on 10 hours + ride, by using lateral bottle cages (check for example the Tacx Radar Universal Lateral). One thing to be considered as well is that I'm using a medium size frame. For "S" frame, 750ml bottles might be too difficult to take out with a big top tube bag, so the solution might be to use smaller bottles or other cage mounts areas on the frame or camel back or water pouch in the top tube bag
Thank you ;-) The black bike: 50-34 crankset with 11-32 cassette The grey monster gravel: single 38 crankset with 10-50 cassette Very good question regarding the gearing ratio, Axel uses his bike touring experience to determine with the steepness of the terrain + total weight of the bike + wheel dimension to calculate what would be the ideal gear ratio for an expedition
Hey great videos. Ive been on some epic bikepacking trips myself, and I'm heading to Patagonia for my next adventure. I haven't chose a route as of yet, and id love to see what you done. Is there any information you have for me to browse through ? keep the vids coming champ, they're class !
Thanks Daniel, for Patagonia, don't miss the full route of Carretera Austral. Axel rode it in 2015 and it's lovely. Heading to Villa o higgins and crossing from Chile to Argentina on Lago del desierto was quite an experience...You will find plenty of resources on the web. Keep exploring
So did too I last December but I’ve been riding a ton and I’ve been surprised how fast I’ve been able to progress to those distance milestones. Ride a lot, you’ll get there. 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Not really, if you watched it entirely, as I'm explaining all along the video. I rode 20,000 kilometers on the most extreme trails of South America using this brand and I share my favorite configurations because people asked for it on social media
I must disagree about the small ortlieb 4.1 liter seat pack you use for the light setup. I've got an exactly the same model and it's an utter garbage, the velcro strap doesn't hold almost at all and the plastic clip for the saddle disconnects after jumping from a curb, and I only had clothes inside, no heavy items. The clip seems to be made out of the cheapest plastic. I also have a pair of panniers and a big handlebar rollbag from ortlieb and they're superb quality, so it's a really bad suprise to me that they released such a shitty product as this one...
Sorry to read that Szymon, you might consider getting in touch with Ortlieb regarding the issues you had? Axel rode the Bikingman Brazil recce route with this one and never had a single issue with it despite the "rugged" roads and bumpy trails there.
@@BikingMan I've submitted a warranty claim and they offered to replace the damaged plastic parts but I'd rather get rid of it and have my money back, we'll see how it goes. Already bought a different bag anyway
[hmm, comment vanished] Yet another tutorial showing to others how to pack yet using incorrect (not-optimal) in-frame bag choice. Did you notice you have a dead space there and if made the better choice with bag and/or bottle placement you could totally get rid of the other bag? Oh well... (however, each of us rides/packs as she/he likes).
Hmm no comments are vanished apart from rude comments/insults and direct advertising shared by trolls :-) As shared in the video, this is a review on Ortlieb bags that Axel has been using since 2016. There isn't an optimal answer for every rider, as shared in the video. Bike configurations, bike geometry and personal tastes are different for everyone. There is no dead space when Axel goes on an expedition as the bags on the videos were attached as an example. For bottle placement, again this is personal taste, for Axel that's his best bottle position choices after testing cage on fork, triathlete cage on saddle, complete frame bag. But you're right, everyone can ride his/her own style
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I couldn't go ultralight when I rode the Continental Divide and the Baja Divide routes. I did do some additional road riding on both trips so I carried my standard front and rear Ortlieb panniers. I firmly believe in carrying all the gear needed for maintenance, comfortable primitive camping including cooking, and everything needed in the event of emergency weather or injury delays so I won't need to rely on someone else for support. This philosophy has served me well after thousands of miles ridden even though occasionally I have to push up some of the steep hills due to the weight (no shame in that I'm 70 years old now and no spring chicken)
Cool to see Ortlieb bags actually being used and hearing that they do work. Wasn't sure about how good they were given so many people using Revelate Designs, Porcelain Rocket etc.
Ortlieb is „unsexy“ and Mainstream in most eyes... and they come from the time where bikepackers used panierbags on heavy trecking bikes... besides beeing „not cool“ they are also expensive. So hipster people forget that Orlieb where among the first in the market with real waterproof bags...
Hello Christian, that's personal taste as always. Note that a lot of people are still exploring the world by bicycle using touring bikes and bikepacking bags haven't replaced that amazing experience that is panier bag touring, mainly because that's 2 different kind of journeys and carrying capacity. It's probably because bikepacking is "trendy" that you hear more about this practice these days. Regarding the pricing, on what comparison do you base your comment? To our knowledge, Ortlieb (with a manufacture in Europe) is in the same price range than a lot of asian-manufactures such as Apidura.
@@BikingMan Exactly right, I'm not super bothered whether I buy paniers or bikepacking bags for when I start travelling because I reckon t's all about the time spent riding.
Excellent
Thanks! Great tips, to the point.
Great video! Would love to know more about your sleeping kit in the expedition setup - what kind of tent/bivy/sleeping bag are you using?
Thank you!
Hello Boris, thanks for your comment I will share an example of configuration in a future video. I'm generally going ultra minimalistic as the combination tent/bivy and sleeping can take a lot of space. In Peru last year I used a sub 800gr tent, a therm-a-rest mattress combined with a 0°C comfort sleeping bag.
I see bike packers with minimal gear where do you put food for multi day trips what about bathing do you take a towel or just drip dry in the bushes? In the past i toured with a fully loaded long haul trucker loaded weighs 85 pounds. Now i tour on specialized diverge gravel grinder 48x32 rings 11x36 cassette, front panniers bar bag and rear rack to hold street shoes, food and over flow. Got weight down to 55lbs including 2 full water bottles. I take a tent, bivi bags suck in the rain if you cant get dressed in it its worthless. Im 70 years old and need some comfort. I still average about 12 mph. Fast tours on my tarmac with bar bag and handle bar bag i move a little faster but thats eating out and staying in motels. Being on the road is the best way to spend your time. Anyone out there who hasn't toured or bike packed just get what ever equipment you can and ride you wont regret it. See you on the road. An Old Guy
Hello, I used to bike tour with a 60 kg loaded Koga world traveler and store up to 15 liters of water in the Moroccan desert or the South Lipez in Bolivia, touring does help to carry way more stuff. Ultra bikepacking implies to carry less and move faster. On an average 8 hours days, I can cover 2.5 the distance than when I was touring, with a lighter bikepacking configuration. It turns the food, water and sleeping challenges to a different world. Food and water can be found en route by covering more distances. For sleeping, there are some ultra light solutions as well that I used in Peru but it's again ultra minimalism. The pleasure of going slow and loaded with a lot of gear with a touring bike is a different goal, not less fascinating I agree ;-) See you somewhere en route and keep pedaling ;-)
Great breakdown and very informative 👍🏻
thanks Rob :-) feel free to suggest ideas you have about new tutorials
Good info..Thanks
nice vid... more bikepacking stuff videos are always needed ;-)
thanks :-)
Great video...well done!...Thanks for sharing your experiences in this brief video... I use the Ortlieb bikepacking bags, too. I fully agree your review on these bags.
Thanks Andreas
Axel you just did well
Great video, that was very informative, thank you
thanks ;-)
It's a choice of do you want to be comfortable on the bike or at your campsite and I know I spend more time on my bike then at camp so I'm trying to ride light great video. Thanks
100%, the challenge of minimalism
Really useful, thx for sharing. Cheers from Poland
Thanks sir, feel free to suggest new topics/questions you'd like us to share on
That video was “super super” 😀
Two sistems are fantastic !
Thanks :-)
Of these two Open frames, which model is the more lively option if it's the only one you can keep?
Bonjour, quel modèle de tente utilises-tu ? J'en recherche une pour le bikepacking, qui passerait dans mes sacoches ... Merci
Bonjour Quentin, tu peux chercher des tentes "ultralight" 1 place ou abris type "tarp" de bivouac. Plusieurs références font
Wow, habe mein Französisch war mal für etwas nützlich und hat ausgereicht!
Merci Beaucoup pour un possibilité pour utilisé mon mal française. C'est un trés bon question.
Bon regards
-un fou Alman
Great video. It would be interesting which minimum gear is really necessary to go out on the road for a bikepacking trip, e.g. for sleeping, bike maintenance, and recharging batteries.
Hello Dominik, thanks for your comment. For the minimum gear, it is really up to your trip: how many days, where do you plan to go and to what extent you're willing to limit your comfort zone (especially for camping outside). That said, we keep your idea in mind for a future tutorial ;-)
Thanks for the great video! Which tape are you using to protect the Open bike (visible at 0:56 in the video) ? Never had problems with the paint when you've taken it off ?
Hello 👋 and thanks for your comment. It’s basic black tape used in housework. Never had issues with the paint before with it
Quelle est la selle sur le vélo d'expédition ?
Ism pl 1.0
On the gravel bike what tyres are mounted?
Hello Mahglo: it's WTB Byway 47mm with 27'5 wheelset
Merci pour cette vidéo. Bon accent
Thanks alot for sharing, may i know what is the tyre and width you used on the grey bike?
Hello Ore, it's WTB tires byway 47mm: www.wtb.com/collections/gravel-cx/products/byway
@@BikingMan ahh nice, thanks a lot for sharing
What Down Jacket would you recommend? I'm going for 3-4 days at the time on European roads and need something light and packable. Thanks for help.
I'm using the Solosalita prototype down jacket or Mountain equipment when it gets serious ;-)
can i ask which brand and model of your bike?
Open Wide sir :-)
Hi There. Can you suggest me the best bike for world tour. Which is good on rough roads
Hello, would you be searching to bike tour with panniers or bikepacking with ultra light bags?
@@BikingMan with bikepack
a lot of solutions with brands like OPEN, Specialized, Salsa are available. There ain't "a best bike" so to speak. You need to define your budget and study the route you'll follow to help you choose the good bike configuration (gear, weight, frame type etc)
Have you ever faced trouble with hydraulic disc brakes on your long trips, specially after flying with your bike.
nice video the gravel bike have a nice saddle can i knw the model ? merci bcp
thanks Georgy, it's an ISM PL 1.0
What kind of saddle is that on grey bike' also how do u like it?
hello Kalvin, it's the ISM PL 1.0
@@BikingMan thank you sir
Thank you for your review and sharing your experience. I notice you used a triathlon split saddle on long expedition. Is it better than a regular saddle?
Hello Sang, better is a strong word for saddle as it's really up to personal taste, physiology and bike fit. Axel has been testing a lot of saddle having climbed more than 1,000,000 meters with different bike configurations and the split saddle has been his best choice to date. The best way for you is to try it on and do a perfect bike fit and see how you go ;-)
How about using a hydration backpack? What is the disavantages?
Hello Pedro, that's another option indeed, for extra water capacity. Axel is not a big fan on long expeditions with many hours per day spent on the bike, it can be painful to carry, but that's personal taste. It is also possible to use the hydration bag into one of the panniers listed in the tutorial. Many options ;-)
1:01 "It's s *Mini jet passing by* uper durable"
What aero-bars were you using in 2017 for the long trip.
profile design T1+ ;-)
Nice 👍👍👍
Thanks
Thank you for the video! Are you using side load bottle cages? I find it difficult to use my bottle cages and a top tube bag.
Hi Michael, thanks for your comment. Yes I'm using lateral bottle cages. It's not "easy" to use but I find it OK to use on 10 hours + ride, by using lateral bottle cages (check for example the Tacx Radar Universal Lateral). One thing to be considered as well is that I'm using a medium size frame. For "S" frame, 750ml bottles might be too difficult to take out with a big top tube bag, so the solution might be to use smaller bottles or other cage mounts areas on the frame or camel back or water pouch in the top tube bag
Par hasard, quelle est la reference de la selle ISM?
ISM PL 1.0 Yelo ;-)
Great information. What is the gearing setup on the two bikes? How do you manage the gearing relative to the total weight of the rider and bags? :)
Thank you ;-)
The black bike: 50-34 crankset with 11-32 cassette
The grey monster gravel: single 38 crankset with 10-50 cassette
Very good question regarding the gearing ratio, Axel uses his bike touring experience to determine with the steepness of the terrain + total weight of the bike + wheel dimension to calculate what would be the ideal gear ratio for an expedition
Hey great videos. Ive been on some epic bikepacking trips myself, and I'm heading to Patagonia for my next adventure. I haven't chose a route as of yet, and id love to see what you done. Is there any information you have for me to browse through ? keep the vids coming champ, they're class !
Thanks Daniel, for Patagonia, don't miss the full route of Carretera Austral. Axel rode it in 2015 and it's lovely. Heading to Villa o higgins and crossing from Chile to Argentina on Lago del desierto was quite an experience...You will find plenty of resources on the web. Keep exploring
I call 50 km an expedition.👍💯🚴
Everybody gotta start somewhere ;-) Keep riding
So did too I last December but I’ve been riding a ton and I’ve been surprised how fast I’ve been able to progress to those distance milestones. Ride a lot, you’ll get there. 🤜🏼🤛🏼
That was on a mountain bike with 2.4 tyres, looking for a gravel bike 👍🚴
Your expedition setup is less than my light setup 🙄
There is room for improvements then :-)
So this is rather an Ortlieb commercial?! Did you get sponsored?
Not really, if you watched it entirely, as I'm explaining all along the video. I rode 20,000 kilometers on the most extreme trails of South America using this brand and I share my favorite configurations because people asked for it on social media
Sorry, but I do not really believe for a minute that a down jacket, tent sleeping bag, tent and pad really fits in that handlebar bag.
Hi ✌️
17 liters, it does with super light and compact gear. Axel used this configuration on the Peru great divide expedition
I must disagree about the small ortlieb 4.1 liter seat pack you use for the light setup. I've got an exactly the same model and it's an utter garbage, the velcro strap doesn't hold almost at all and the plastic clip for the saddle disconnects after jumping from a curb, and I only had clothes inside, no heavy items. The clip seems to be made out of the cheapest plastic. I also have a pair of panniers and a big handlebar rollbag from ortlieb and they're superb quality, so it's a really bad suprise to me that they released such a shitty product as this one...
Sorry to read that Szymon, you might consider getting in touch with Ortlieb regarding the issues you had? Axel rode the Bikingman Brazil recce route with this one and never had a single issue with it despite the "rugged" roads and bumpy trails there.
@@BikingMan I've submitted a warranty claim and they offered to replace the damaged plastic parts but I'd rather get rid of it and have my money back, we'll see how it goes. Already bought a different bag anyway
[hmm, comment vanished] Yet another tutorial showing to others how to pack yet using incorrect (not-optimal) in-frame bag choice. Did you notice you have a dead space there and if made the better choice with bag and/or bottle placement you could totally get rid of the other bag? Oh well... (however, each of us rides/packs as she/he likes).
Hmm no comments are vanished apart from rude comments/insults and direct advertising shared by trolls :-) As shared in the video, this is a review on Ortlieb bags that Axel has been using since 2016. There isn't an optimal answer for every rider, as shared in the video. Bike configurations, bike geometry and personal tastes are different for everyone. There is no dead space when Axel goes on an expedition as the bags on the videos were attached as an example. For bottle placement, again this is personal taste, for Axel that's his best bottle position choices after testing cage on fork, triathlete cage on saddle, complete frame bag. But you're right, everyone can ride his/her own style