I get doubted all the time- as I'm wrong PLENTY of the time! Heck, last night I had to re-upload my fork adjust video, as I made a big mistake in the original one!
Your initial video with your friend who you taught bhopping really helped me improve my own hop. As in, now I leave the ground with both wheels. It also helped me improve my manual. Both skills still need a LOT of work :-)
When you set up your full-sus to a point where it can handle the rough and drops, you really need to work to get some air because the shock absorbs a lot of energy.
I need to make myself another bunnyhop "machine". I had one over 25 yrs ago, that had 1" increments starting at 6" up to 24" that really helped me refine my hops/timing.
Great video. I am kind of late to learning how to bunny hop but I just learned how to do it with out pulling up the back tire. I can now do it with taking my feet off the Pete’s weight after I compress the bike. No scoop needed. And by pull I mean I was using clipless petals, the I learned on flats but when I did learn I pointed my toes to get the grip to quote on quote pull the petals up but recently I leaned that I did not need to. It’s all about the compression and the pull of the upper body.
You're the man for going above and beyond to prove to people after that last video that made it super clear that you don't need a "scoop" to bunny hop high 🤙 But I still do feel like I can create tension between the handlebars and my feet if I drop my toes and push backwards with the feet (especially back foot). The sensation I get is that if I'm about to case a landing I can avoid this by pulling the bike up under me or get the rear wheel up a few extra inches (granted that I failed maximizing my hop and are jumping with the rear wheel low). But is this how it works?
Simon, I don't do anything with my feet other than pull them up towards my bum at the same rate of speed as the bike is being lifted. Even tucking for a landing, I'm not using my feet to pull the bike. Unless I'm on clips again!
Yet another reference to Taiwan after last video's picture of you MTBing in TW, you have now become my favorite MTB youtuber!!! Just built myself a bunnyhop stand too!
Taiwan is a lot of fun! Big 10,000 ft mountains! We did a big ol bike tour through the island in 2014, and I've been a few times for the Taipei cycle show as well. Hope to be back one day!
Anyone that thinks it's easier to bunny hop a full sus, has never bunny hopped a hardtail! The scoop is totally artificial. It's like saying you scoop the tail of a skateboard when you ollie. Absurd.
What's funny to me is, I can bunnyhop easily on a bmx bike never had an issue. Since getting into mtb is watch videos and they would always say to preload before you bunnyhop and this has caused me so many issues because I was over thinking it. I brain dumped everything I heard in those videos and just went back to how I learned how bunnyhop and have never since had a problem. And yea, some other YT mention scooping but I'm not saying no names lol.
The term "scooping" might help lots of folks, but it boggles me. That's why I went ot the lengths to disprove any actual scooping happening. If someone (like myself) takes the term too literally, they'll perform the wrong move and won't figure out the bunnyhop. Then again, someone else might understand that term differently, and it might help them! That's why we need different types of tutorials- we all learn differently.
Did I just watch the mountain bike version of Brain Blaze? Jeff writes and reads the script and cameraman witnesses the creation of future vintage memes.
I'm still getting the blank space in the middle of the video, but I love the out takes at the end. I've been trying to lay the ground work for bunny hops for my seven year old. First being able to get the front end off the ground. Check. Then being able to lift the back wheel off the ground, more challenging. And then put it all together, but maybe that is not the right method. Unweighting the back pedals while still keeping your feet on the pedals has been a tough concept to teach. I hope I haven't been telling her to scoop.
Hahaha thanks for the great note on teaching a kid! I'll be there soon too- if yours is 7 and learning to hop, that's good to know. Mine is almost 5. I'd say practice the arm movement next to the bike first, like I do at 8:38 (th-cam.com/video/Cj0F2_URNsI/w-d-xo.html). Then explain that she needs to jump vertically to follow the bicycle with her feet- just enough so that the feet have no weight on them. This has to happen while the arms are pulling the bike up. But really it's measured practice that will be the only way to learn!
@@JeffKendallWeed so the unweighting (is that a word? Now it is!) happens at the same time as the arm movement? I think I've been doing a bit late then
The term I use when coaching is "opposing force" to keep your feet on the pedals during a J-hop. I have them think of their thumbs as underhooks your feet are pushing against in the opposite (down and back) direction. To prove it I show they can lift their bike while stopped using only one foot on the pedal and pushing back while lifting with their thumbs. I usually see a shocked look of sudden understanding on their faces. Fun technique. Good demo Jeff, always fun to watch
easily best tech/trail mtb fun (how does he do that!?) to watch videos on TH-cam! .....you make it look so easy, well ugh a real and useful bunny hop is pretty tough for newbies (me) so... hoping if possible in your upcoming video to include a few minutes of super slow motion and talk us though all parts of "what/how to do" arms legs wrists ? etc, thanks
scoop may not be the right word but you're still "scooping." By pointing your toes down, you're able to apply some rearward resistance to the pedals which makes it so that your push on the handlebar will translate to more of a rotational motion of the bike - ie making the front end come down and the rear end come up, rather than just pushing the whole bike forward and away from you while maintaining the same angle. try doing it without having your feet on the pedals when you do the push, and you'll see what I mean when you apply rearward resistance to the pedals as I described, and you bend your knees at the same time, it feels like you're scooping. I think that's how it got that name.
I really dig this.....This is the first year I've been serious about really learning some skills and I've definitely been guilty of trying to lift the back wheel with some scoopage.......but getting rid of that is so freeing..not trying to coordinate a movement with my feet/legs a split second after hands/arms makes everything better.....immediately more consistent after losing the scoop. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks Narutito! I have not tried the mullet set up in Sedona- that was all with the 27.5 wheels, 170 fork, a 2.8 front/2.6 rear tire, running CushCore. At this point, I prefer the longer travel and bigger tires over the Mullet set up. I dont get along with coil suspension very well, I need more progressivity for my riding style.
as 20 years veteran bmxer i complete agree. just the idea of clip pedals/scooping improving jumping ability is ridiculous. the bunnyhop technique does not need even a grippy pedal. i run plastic pedals with no pins on one side due to grinds, never worry about which side im on. on mtb it's harder but more of a delayed motion. On bmx you pull back and hop immediately, on mtb you wait until the shock is compressed and then you spring up.
You can hop a bike with no feet...I think you're probably right on not needing to scoop! I feel that a stationary hop from track stand can really help identify and break down the movement of a hop, maybe an idea for a video? Maybe a good sidehop breakdown? You got my brain running in trials mode!
another good one is going up a slight incline then using the rear brake to tip over backwards. and then you pull up on the bars (and retract landing gear) for the bunnyhop. it gets you familiar with how your positioning should be front/aft on the bike, and where the sweet spot or dead sailor/unpop spot is for timing with your particular rear shock setup.
I’ve taught tons of folks how to hop and you implementing your horrifying pedals has finally provided a tangible explanation for how incorrect the scoop was. Even watching slow-mo replays of people saying you need to scoop makes it obvious how incorrect that is. As you’ve said, it depends upon preloading the frame with force, and using the bike as a lever to press off the ground and pull it into the air as you jump. Scooping can certainly help, and raise your bike higher, and that’s what clipless riders do, but learning to perform a hop without doing that means you’re learning the proper technique.
I've tried the scooping method and it moves the rear wheel to my dominand foot, which feels very strange. Makes for some nice skids but it doesn't feel correct. As JKW mentioned, all in the upper body and wrists.
@@JeffKendallWeed I mean, my IXS downhill pads have a shin section, so I feel like it exists, but yeah, if the pedal doesn't flip around, it won't be spiky. I won't project my own accident prone Murphys-law paranoia onto you though.
I find bunny hopping slightly harder on a full suspension. Sure, you can get a little bit of rebound but the amount of compression can be surprising (especially on a big squishy bike). Hardtails are immediate and super responsive. A little bit easier to learn on IMO. I've been trying to help my wife learn on her FS, I think she's still missing a proper amount of compression (it's like jumping on something springy, you have to wait until it starts to rebound to start to unweight). FWIW, I don't think there's anything in the wrists. I feel like I just shove my bar forward to lift the back of my bike up, my feet just naturally follow along. Sometimes it's useful to think about having to jump over something so that you do pick your feet up.
completely agree. came from bmx thinking i would be hopping a DH bike 3 feet no sweat. It's really weird adjusting to the delay in suspension compression compared to a 20inch hardtail. On jumps you NEED to compress before you leave the lip or the bike will probably feel erratic. I'm glad that i read about that before i bought my 180mm enduro bike, i probably would've made the same mistake and nosedive the snot out of that bike on my first ride (clearing 3 sight unseen pretty good tables at high speed) The best I can tell about wrists role in this... In slow motion; you pump up and backwards from a firm wrist, but by the time your front wheel leaves the ground, you're 'hanging' from your wrists pulling back on the bars.. then your legs raise your stance, and you pull up straight towards your shoulders. By then, you're leaving the ground, and when you 'tuck' in (rear wheel between your cheeks) you can see that the wrists are higher than the forearms (and sometimes the entire person). Anyone who tells you 'stiff wrists' essentially tries to lift the rearend by trying to manhandle the bars. Stay loose, in a way.
@@insanebmxthomas I miss having a BMX bike. I had one as a kid, never really learned how to truly bunnyhop back then, but I'd love to have one to goof off on these days. Luckily big enduro bikes and DH bikes are all super forgiving (as long as your body position is reasonable). You can land super nose heavy and just squeak by (with quite the pucker factor lol). A couple clicks of rebound damping helped me learn how to ride some lippier jumps, you don't get bucked quite as much if your timing / preload is off. :)
@@nmnate bmxs are cheap these days, for like 3/400 bucks you get a great bike. If you're a grown-up (like me, im 31) I'd recommend getting a longer trails/park oriënted frame. 21"tt and 14.25 or longer cs. Easier to familiarize with if you want to get the gist of bunnyhops and manuals. I once made the decision to roll in on some mtb styled tables (on my bmx) and they're really lippy. Got bucked and broke my wrist. Lippy mtb jumps I think are impossible with bmx. With suspension they're probably kinda mellow lmfao
He's missing a huge part. His hands hold the bike steady from the handlebars. Now as he bends his knees, what happens to the pedals? They get dragged back against the pivot point of the bars. So the bike is being dragged (or scooped) back up with the tension of the frame holding pressure down on his feet. You don't have to point your goes straight down to get a scoop.
Bike is not being dragged by my feet at all. The slippery pedals mean there is next to no traction available. Feet are just going up. You do have to point your toes down if you want to bunnyhop- try jumping in place, you'll always notice pointed toes.
You're not holding the bike steady from the bars really. You lift the front and crouch, jump (unweight the pedals), and shove the bars forward. Pushing the pars forward with no weight on the pedals is what creates rear height. Really high hops come from perfectly timing your upward motion with the forward motion so you're using the energy from your legs and transferring it to your bars. If you try a big stationary hop you'll really notice it. As you leverage the bike up around the rear axle and then hop, the bike travels backwards pretty fast. The harder you shove the bars forward, the higher you go and the less distance the bike will travel backwards.
But But But Phil says SCOOP! sooo pause his bunny hop video at 1:15, he basically looks the same as your move, maybe his "shove" is delayed by a tiny bit, but based on what you're arguing against, there really isn't a "scoop" per say, but I can't help but wonder if it still just works as a mental note/trick. I dunno, I still can't bunny hop, and it's NOT at the scoop stage, it's at the controlling the front wheel lift stage, because it's either not enough, or too much.
Trying to force a hop is a way for things to go awry. Just focus on lifting your front wheel onto or over an obstacle. I find it super important to have an actual obstacle (however small) for practice. A small 2x4 might be a good start.
@@nmnate I've at one point been able to clear about a 18" obstacle, but it wasn't clean, it was still a ton of effort. It's mostly the timing, when I get the front high, then the "jump" part never seems to go right, but I have to admit I haven't been practicing.
@@MTBGarage It sounds like you could really benefit from a little practice. I was probably where you are maybe 2 months ago. I kinda knew how to hop stuff out on the trail but not as consistently as a liked and my timing wasn't great (if you bash into a few things on the trail it's usually not catastrophic). A little practice with a couple 2x4s or other simple obstacles can really clear up your preload and timing, plus having to hop over stuff helps you gauge your speed better (really helpful for clearing jumps). Give it a try, it was really helpful for me to practice. I feel like it's opened up a whole lot more goofing off on the trail for me (popping off of rocks / roots, hopping over stuff). FWIW I can hop over stuff ~18" high cleanly but stuff that's like 20-24"" might take a couple attempts. I need to work on getting my front wheel a bit higher.
Wish i also could do bunny hops, i envy mr jeff much. Questions: how do you actually lift the front so high i can only do maybe max at halft foot or less
Pull with your weight instead of your arms. There are many tutorials on how to bunnyhop, but to keep it simple, think like you’re trying to do a manual to pull up your front wheel.
I've recently learnt how to hop what I do is.. compress/load the forks (weight forward), shift body back aggressively to pop up the front (locked arms like a manual) and then shift body forward whilst pushing the bars to effectively push the bike forward lifting the rear. Basically practice popping the front up then work on the body pop and bar push.
The scoop is not real. Neither is creating "opposite force between the pedals and handlebars" like some state in the comments. It's all about some principals of physics; Force, torque, and Newtons 3rd law. Force pushes and pulls on the object (your bike) in a certain direction, like the force of gravity pulling down, and torque rotates objects (your bike) around a pivot point. You bend your knees and essentially straighten them out quickly pushing down into the ground. Newtons third law says that for every force you apply there will be an equal and opposite force applied back on you. So as you jum , pushing force down in to the ground, the ground pushes back with an equal and opposite force, propelling you in to the air. the greater the force you push down with the higher you will go. As the front come up and you are propelling into the air there is torque around the pivot point of the rear wheel, causing your bike to go up at an angle. you then use your arms to push down and level out the bike in the air to land on both wheels. same principal as ollieing a skateboard. You could bunnyhop anything in theory. You could bunnyhop a couch if you could create enough force and rotational torque around a pivot point.
Lmao any BMXer that's had crusty old plastic flats knows that scooping isn't a thing. There is a feeling like you're scooping the bike when you're really solidly connected to the pedals but moving up through the bunnyhop as you pedal that's really satisfying though. Maybe that's what they're trying to get you to understand when they talk about the scoop??
Still not a proof! Ok, i do totally agree with you that the scoop is not necessary for bunnyhopping, and calling it such may do more harm than good (by making people try to pull up with their cleats for example). Not to mention i feel totally out of place trying to correct a rider like you ("im not worthy... im not worthy...") HOWEVER, I do not think this totally debunks the potential benefit of a "scoop" when done right, possibly allowing the rider to get just a tiny bit more height. Seeing so many pro trials riders over the years swear by it, is enough for me. Those guys eek every possible mm of height when hopping, and perhaps there this motion has some merit. I rode trials for a couple of years and it didn't feel totally bonkers to me. Is it useful in real world mtb riding, or when trying to learn how to hop? Does it matter as much as the unweighing of the rear? Absolutely not- you're 100% correct. Perhaps try a "bunnyhop height challenege" with those nifty planky pedals and see if it matters :) love the vid
I'm probably too late to this party, but I've only just seen the video. The idea of doing these experiments to try and get answers to these questions on technique is brilliant and I'm now subscribed to this channel for that reason. I can think of some other technical disputes you could try to clear up via experiment, e.g. how best to safely ride off drops - perhaps using a foam pit! From some of the comments below, it looks like nobody is disputing that the rear wheel can be lifted without the feet as we can all demonstrate this by standing next to our bikes and lifting/shoving the bars forward. There is still one question being raised though: could the tension between the palm pressure on your grips and the rearward foot pressure on the wooden pedals be giving your feet enough grip to assist the rear wheel through its arc? I've seen you answer this question below by pointing out that you're only dropping your toes in a bunny hop as that's a natural part of any jumping motion, whether you're on a bike or just jumping up from a squat. I agree that dropping your toes is necessary to do a decent jumping motion, but I don't know whether it also creates friction against the wooden pedals, and whether this would assist lifting the rear wheel. So the experiment would be something like this: 1. You and someone else would both attempt to bunny hop whilst keeping your toes pointed flat throughout. You'd need to devise some way of making sure neither of you are cheating by dropping your toes, and the first thing I thought of was ski boots, but hopefully you could figure out a more practical alternative - e.g. I'm sure a clever German engineer could make a complicated gear/sprocket arrangement which would ensure each pedal remained horizontal to the ground throughout the rotation of the cranks. 2. You would do it on your wooden pedals. Whilst the other person would do it clipped in. I.e. you would have no connection to the pedals whereas the other person would have full connection. 3. Obviously, keeping your toes level is an unnatural way to jump so will result in both of you doing pretty feeble bunny hops. However, the point of the experiment would be to identify whether being attached to the pedals gives the other guy any advantage, and if so how much. So the test would be simply to measure how far the rear wheel raises for you and the other guy. Whatever you think of the idea of trying bunnyhops in ski-boots on wooden pedals: if watching Jackass has taught me anything, it's that you'll get a hell of a lot of views...
Hopping a FS bike is easier?!? Hahaha what a crock of crap. LOL. At least for me, anyway. 25 years ago I had a 40" hop on the ol' bmx bike. I can still get 30"+ at the ripe old age of 47, again on a bmx bike. But I STRUGGLE to get my FS bike (which is pretty well all I ride anymore) over a 20" bar. It's nearly comical to grab my son's bmx bike and and outdo myself by a foot on the bunnyhop bar. Incidentally I can get a few more inches with the rear suspension locked out. My admiration and kudos to the folks who can get a good, high bunnyhop on a suspended bike.
Nice BMX action! Once my daughter wants to race some BMX, I'll get myself another 20"er. I think a lot of folks have "suspension envy" and assume everything must be easier with the more complicated/expensive bike.
Totally fake. Shimano shoes are super grippy on plywood, like a cat on flypaper. You might as well have been clipped in. I expect a redo with Pam coated plywood.
I’m here for the hidden outtakes. More of these sir. That and the bunny hops. Love the channel!
LOL just deleted those! Thanks to Sam below who let me know about the mistake- trying to make dinner while exporting and I grabbed waaaay too much!
They are still there but they are absolutely hilarious… 😆
Now you have gallons of haters tears to wash your bikes. Love the content, very inspiring!
One of the best riders on the tube
It's hilarious that people doubted JKW. He's one of the best all around riders on YT.
I get doubted all the time- as I'm wrong PLENTY of the time! Heck, last night I had to re-upload my fork adjust video, as I made a big mistake in the original one!
@@JeffKendallWeed It’s very honorable that you recognize that JKW!
Now this is a scientific experiment I can get behind. Great work!
hahaha thanks Toke!
Your initial video with your friend who you taught bhopping really helped me improve my own hop. As in, now I leave the ground with both wheels.
It also helped me improve my manual.
Both skills still need a LOT of work :-)
Hahaha awesome man, stay with it!!!
When you set up your full-sus to a point where it can handle the rough and drops, you really need to work to get some air because the shock absorbs a lot of energy.
I need to make myself another bunnyhop "machine". I had one over 25 yrs ago, that had 1" increments starting at 6" up to 24" that really helped me refine my hops/timing.
Right on John! Making something like this can be the missing motivation ingredient for most folks to actually practice. I need to make a taller one!
Mind blown on the no scoop… awesome demonstrations. 👍🏼
That blank spaces gave me time to go to the toilet. No scooping. Ahhh..now I got it. Thanks man.
My edit worked! No more blank space. Hope you feel better hahaha!
@@JeffKendallWeed Haha..it is. Awesome man.
Jeff throwing a wrench into the bunny hop madness. Love it!
Great video. I am kind of late to learning how to bunny hop but I just learned how to do it with out pulling up the back tire. I can now do it with taking my feet off the Pete’s weight after I compress the bike. No scoop needed. And by pull I mean I was using clipless petals, the I learned on flats but when I did learn I pointed my toes to get the grip to quote on quote pull the petals up but recently I leaned that I did not need to. It’s all about the compression and the pull of the upper body.
You're the man for going above and beyond to prove to people after that last video that made it super clear that you don't need a "scoop" to bunny hop high 🤙
But I still do feel like I can create tension between the handlebars and my feet if I drop my toes and push backwards with the feet (especially back foot). The sensation I get is that if I'm about to case a landing I can avoid this by pulling the bike up under me or get the rear wheel up a few extra inches (granted that I failed maximizing my hop and are jumping with the rear wheel low). But is this how it works?
Simon, I don't do anything with my feet other than pull them up towards my bum at the same rate of speed as the bike is being lifted. Even tucking for a landing, I'm not using my feet to pull the bike. Unless I'm on clips again!
Can you do on how to jump? some say it's just the same like doing a bunny hop and some don't
I love these videos so much
Need to see more of that trials bike
No we don't! Hahahaha!
Yet another reference to Taiwan after last video's picture of you MTBing in TW, you have now become my favorite MTB youtuber!!! Just built myself a bunnyhop stand too!
Taiwan is a lot of fun! Big 10,000 ft mountains! We did a big ol bike tour through the island in 2014, and I've been a few times for the Taipei cycle show as well. Hope to be back one day!
Anyone that thinks it's easier to bunny hop a full sus, has never bunny hopped a hardtail!
The scoop is totally artificial. It's like saying you scoop the tail of a skateboard when you ollie. Absurd.
Thanks Dennis! I think "unweighting" is a perfect term, but hey, everyone is different!
@@JeffKendallWeed I go with absorbing.
What's funny to me is, I can bunnyhop easily on a bmx bike never had an issue. Since getting into mtb is watch videos and they would always say to preload before you bunnyhop and this has caused me so many issues because I was over thinking it. I brain dumped everything I heard in those videos and just went back to how I learned how bunnyhop and have never since had a problem. And yea, some other YT mention scooping but I'm not saying no names lol.
The term "scooping" might help lots of folks, but it boggles me. That's why I went ot the lengths to disprove any actual scooping happening. If someone (like myself) takes the term too literally, they'll perform the wrong move and won't figure out the bunnyhop. Then again, someone else might understand that term differently, and it might help them! That's why we need different types of tutorials- we all learn differently.
Did I just watch the mountain bike version of Brain Blaze? Jeff writes and reads the script and cameraman witnesses the creation of future vintage memes.
Brain Blaze?! I gotta google that!
I'm still getting the blank space in the middle of the video, but I love the out takes at the end. I've been trying to lay the ground work for bunny hops for my seven year old. First being able to get the front end off the ground. Check. Then being able to lift the back wheel off the ground, more challenging. And then put it all together, but maybe that is not the right method. Unweighting the back pedals while still keeping your feet on the pedals has been a tough concept to teach. I hope I haven't been telling her to scoop.
Hahaha thanks for the great note on teaching a kid! I'll be there soon too- if yours is 7 and learning to hop, that's good to know. Mine is almost 5. I'd say practice the arm movement next to the bike first, like I do at 8:38 (th-cam.com/video/Cj0F2_URNsI/w-d-xo.html). Then explain that she needs to jump vertically to follow the bicycle with her feet- just enough so that the feet have no weight on them. This has to happen while the arms are pulling the bike up. But really it's measured practice that will be the only way to learn!
@@JeffKendallWeed so the unweighting (is that a word? Now it is!) happens at the same time as the arm movement? I think I've been doing a bit late then
loved the outtakes!
A bit of an ooops there on my part!
Cool shoes! Where did you buy it?
The term I use when coaching is "opposing force" to keep your feet on the pedals during a J-hop. I have them think of their thumbs as underhooks your feet are pushing against in the opposite (down and back) direction. To prove it I show they can lift their bike while stopped using only one foot on the pedal and pushing back while lifting with their thumbs. I usually see a shocked look of sudden understanding on their faces. Fun technique. Good demo Jeff, always fun to watch
easily best tech/trail mtb fun (how does he do that!?) to watch videos on TH-cam! .....you make it look so easy, well ugh a real and useful bunny hop is pretty tough for newbies (me) so... hoping if possible in your upcoming video to include a few minutes of super slow motion and talk us though all parts of "what/how to do" arms legs wrists ? etc, thanks
Thanks DD! Here's a tutorial on bunnyhopping that I just posted: th-cam.com/video/lKi0uWi-17c/w-d-xo.html
scoop may not be the right word but you're still "scooping." By pointing your toes down, you're able to apply some rearward resistance to the pedals which makes it so that your push on the handlebar will translate to more of a rotational motion of the bike - ie making the front end come down and the rear end come up, rather than just pushing the whole bike forward and away from you while maintaining the same angle. try doing it without having your feet on the pedals when you do the push, and you'll see what I mean
when you apply rearward resistance to the pedals as I described, and you bend your knees at the same time, it feels like you're scooping. I think that's how it got that name.
I really dig this.....This is the first year I've been serious about really learning some skills and I've definitely been guilty of trying to lift the back wheel with some scoopage.......but getting rid of that is so freeing..not trying to coordinate a movement with my feet/legs a split second after hands/arms makes everything better.....immediately more consistent after losing the scoop. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Nice Video Jeff
I Also Have a Stylus And Would Like To Know If You Ride It Mullet In Sedona? Thanks
Thanks Narutito! I have not tried the mullet set up in Sedona- that was all with the 27.5 wheels, 170 fork, a 2.8 front/2.6 rear tire, running CushCore. At this point, I prefer the longer travel and bigger tires over the Mullet set up. I dont get along with coil suspension very well, I need more progressivity for my riding style.
Actually I find its more jump off padels, the rest is body and arms.
as 20 years veteran bmxer i complete agree. just the idea of clip pedals/scooping improving jumping ability is ridiculous. the bunnyhop technique does not need even a grippy pedal. i run plastic pedals with no pins on one side due to grinds, never worry about which side im on. on mtb it's harder but more of a delayed motion. On bmx you pull back and hop immediately, on mtb you wait until the shock is compressed and then you spring up.
That's so awesome!
Thanks Tom!
You can hop a bike with no feet...I think you're probably right on not needing to scoop!
I feel that a stationary hop from track stand can really help identify and break down the movement of a hop, maybe an idea for a video? Maybe a good sidehop breakdown? You got my brain running in trials mode!
another good one is going up a slight incline then using the rear brake to tip over backwards. and then you pull up on the bars (and retract landing gear) for the bunnyhop. it gets you familiar with how your positioning should be front/aft on the bike, and where the sweet spot or dead sailor/unpop spot is for timing with your particular rear shock setup.
I’ve taught tons of folks how to hop and you implementing your horrifying pedals has finally provided a tangible explanation for how incorrect the scoop was. Even watching slow-mo replays of people saying you need to scoop makes it obvious how incorrect that is. As you’ve said, it depends upon preloading the frame with force, and using the bike as a lever to press off the ground and pull it into the air as you jump. Scooping can certainly help, and raise your bike higher, and that’s what clipless riders do, but learning to perform a hop without doing that means you’re learning the proper technique.
Hey Jeff, consider making at video at Raging River again! I’d love to see you shred into that People’s Elbow rock roll (again) :)
Oh, I will! But I'll wait for the high altitude stuff to get snowed out first.
@@JeffKendallWeed thanks for the reply, you’re a legend!
I've tried the scooping method and it moves the rear wheel to my dominand foot, which feels very strange. Makes for some nice skids but it doesn't feel correct. As JKW mentioned, all in the upper body and wrists.
100% upper body!
Brave not wearing shin guards whilst doing that with those flatchamathingy 4000whatevers.
Meh, shin guards don't really exist anymore. I'd rather get shinned with the completely smooth Flatfoot4000s than by my spikey Shimano pedals!
@@JeffKendallWeed I mean, my IXS downhill pads have a shin section, so I feel like it exists, but yeah, if the pedal doesn't flip around, it won't be spiky. I won't project my own accident prone Murphys-law paranoia onto you though.
What helmet did you use in this video?
how does the stylus ride with the 29er up front and what is the travel set to now?
I find bunny hopping slightly harder on a full suspension. Sure, you can get a little bit of rebound but the amount of compression can be surprising (especially on a big squishy bike). Hardtails are immediate and super responsive. A little bit easier to learn on IMO. I've been trying to help my wife learn on her FS, I think she's still missing a proper amount of compression (it's like jumping on something springy, you have to wait until it starts to rebound to start to unweight).
FWIW, I don't think there's anything in the wrists. I feel like I just shove my bar forward to lift the back of my bike up, my feet just naturally follow along. Sometimes it's useful to think about having to jump over something so that you do pick your feet up.
completely agree. came from bmx thinking i would be hopping a DH bike 3 feet no sweat. It's really weird adjusting to the delay in suspension compression compared to a 20inch hardtail. On jumps you NEED to compress before you leave the lip or the bike will probably feel erratic. I'm glad that i read about that before i bought my 180mm enduro bike, i probably would've made the same mistake and nosedive the snot out of that bike on my first ride (clearing 3 sight unseen pretty good tables at high speed)
The best I can tell about wrists role in this...
In slow motion; you pump up and backwards from a firm wrist, but by the time your front wheel leaves the ground, you're 'hanging' from your wrists pulling back on the bars..
then your legs raise your stance, and you pull up straight towards your shoulders. By then, you're leaving the ground, and when you 'tuck' in (rear wheel between your cheeks) you can see that the wrists are higher than the forearms (and sometimes the entire person).
Anyone who tells you 'stiff wrists' essentially tries to lift the rearend by trying to manhandle the bars. Stay loose, in a way.
@@insanebmxthomas I miss having a BMX bike. I had one as a kid, never really learned how to truly bunnyhop back then, but I'd love to have one to goof off on these days.
Luckily big enduro bikes and DH bikes are all super forgiving (as long as your body position is reasonable). You can land super nose heavy and just squeak by (with quite the pucker factor lol). A couple clicks of rebound damping helped me learn how to ride some lippier jumps, you don't get bucked quite as much if your timing / preload is off. :)
@@nmnate bmxs are cheap these days, for like 3/400 bucks you get a great bike. If you're a grown-up (like me, im 31) I'd recommend getting a longer trails/park oriënted frame. 21"tt and 14.25 or longer cs. Easier to familiarize with if you want to get the gist of bunnyhops and manuals.
I once made the decision to roll in on some mtb styled tables (on my bmx) and they're really lippy. Got bucked and broke my wrist. Lippy mtb jumps I think are impossible with bmx. With suspension they're probably kinda mellow lmfao
He's missing a huge part. His hands hold the bike steady from the handlebars. Now as he bends his knees, what happens to the pedals? They get dragged back against the pivot point of the bars. So the bike is being dragged (or scooped) back up with the tension of the frame holding pressure down on his feet. You don't have to point your goes straight down to get a scoop.
Bike is not being dragged by my feet at all. The slippery pedals mean there is next to no traction available. Feet are just going up. You do have to point your toes down if you want to bunnyhop- try jumping in place, you'll always notice pointed toes.
You're not holding the bike steady from the bars really. You lift the front and crouch, jump (unweight the pedals), and shove the bars forward. Pushing the pars forward with no weight on the pedals is what creates rear height. Really high hops come from perfectly timing your upward motion with the forward motion so you're using the energy from your legs and transferring it to your bars.
If you try a big stationary hop you'll really notice it. As you leverage the bike up around the rear axle and then hop, the bike travels backwards pretty fast. The harder you shove the bars forward, the higher you go and the less distance the bike will travel backwards.
Yes, but can you bunny hop without scooping on a Penny-farthing?
Love that stylus need to ride mine morrree
It's a cool bike! I just missed out on riding with Ian and the crew in Whistler last week.
Hey Mate, you’ve got a bit of dead space in the middle of this video. Didn’t think it was intentional. Just a heads up
Thanks for the head's up Sam! think I got it fixed now- though I might have just deleted the video- fingers crossed it works!
We were here before the fixes!
@@JeffKendallWeed doesn't work at the moment i think LOL
Heads up - there's a "black screen" from ~9:30-14:40 before you pick up with the new vid...
Actually "the new vid" was outtakes. Kind of awesome, even if accidental!
Thanks Khai! I edited that ASAP with the youtube editor, but it took hours for the change to take affect!
Lol who the hell thinks it's easier to Bunny hop on a full suspension
Anyone who doesn't have an FS but wants one...
Do it on a uni 😅 , seriously though I get better height w and control with arm and wrist method. Far from perfect but better with some more practice
Hahaha I'm not a unicycle fan! I gave my old one away and haven't missed it.
I'm not a scientist, but I think you still have friction with the pedal covers...
SARCASM>Ya but can you do it on a gravel bike without scooping!?
I've watched all the videos, I still can't bunny hop. 🙂
Hahaha well, sorry to say, but none of the videos will make you hop suddenly! It all comes down to constant, measured practice with a repeatable goal.
I knew the scooping thing was bull shit when my heels just slip off the pedals
Now that I've watched this I need some ice cream. Or Fritos. Possibly Raisin Bran... 😁✌️
hahahaha nice Bob!
I was carefully reading through all the replies to see if anyone was going to beat me to the joke.....nice work!!
Rider input matters????? What!!?? 😉😁😁
But But But Phil says SCOOP! sooo pause his bunny hop video at 1:15, he basically looks the same as your move, maybe his "shove" is delayed by a tiny bit, but based on what you're arguing against, there really isn't a "scoop" per say, but I can't help but wonder if it still just works as a mental note/trick. I dunno, I still can't bunny hop, and it's NOT at the scoop stage, it's at the controlling the front wheel lift stage, because it's either not enough, or too much.
Trying to force a hop is a way for things to go awry. Just focus on lifting your front wheel onto or over an obstacle. I find it super important to have an actual obstacle (however small) for practice. A small 2x4 might be a good start.
@@nmnate I've at one point been able to clear about a 18" obstacle, but it wasn't clean, it was still a ton of effort. It's mostly the timing, when I get the front high, then the "jump" part never seems to go right, but I have to admit I haven't been practicing.
@@MTBGarage It sounds like you could really benefit from a little practice. I was probably where you are maybe 2 months ago. I kinda knew how to hop stuff out on the trail but not as consistently as a liked and my timing wasn't great (if you bash into a few things on the trail it's usually not catastrophic). A little practice with a couple 2x4s or other simple obstacles can really clear up your preload and timing, plus having to hop over stuff helps you gauge your speed better (really helpful for clearing jumps). Give it a try, it was really helpful for me to practice. I feel like it's opened up a whole lot more goofing off on the trail for me (popping off of rocks / roots, hopping over stuff). FWIW I can hop over stuff ~18" high cleanly but stuff that's like 20-24"" might take a couple attempts. I need to work on getting my front wheel a bit higher.
Wish i also could do bunny hops, i envy mr jeff much. Questions: how do you actually lift the front so high i can only do maybe max at halft foot or less
Pull with your weight instead of your arms. There are many tutorials on how to bunnyhop, but to keep it simple, think like you’re trying to do a manual to pull up your front wheel.
I've recently learnt how to hop what I do is.. compress/load the forks (weight forward), shift body back aggressively to pop up the front (locked arms like a manual) and then shift body forward whilst pushing the bars to effectively push the bike forward lifting the rear. Basically practice popping the front up then work on the body pop and bar push.
Scoopgate 2021
Clickbaitgate 2022 😂
I've got a 38 lbs hardtail with a really garbage fork. Could you try bunnyhopping with something similar to mine?
The scoop is not real. Neither is creating "opposite force between the pedals and handlebars" like some state in the comments. It's all about some principals of physics; Force, torque, and Newtons 3rd law. Force pushes and pulls on the object (your bike) in a certain direction, like the force of gravity pulling down, and torque rotates objects (your bike) around a pivot point. You bend your knees and essentially straighten them out quickly pushing down into the ground. Newtons third law says that for every force you apply there will be an equal and opposite force applied back on you. So as you jum , pushing force down in to the ground, the ground pushes back with an equal and opposite force, propelling you in to the air. the greater the force you push down with the higher you will go. As the front come up and you are propelling into the air there is torque around the pivot point of the rear wheel, causing your bike to go up at an angle. you then use your arms to push down and level out the bike in the air to land on both wheels. same principal as ollieing a skateboard. You could bunnyhop anything in theory. You could bunnyhop a couch if you could create enough force and rotational torque around a pivot point.
Lmao any BMXer that's had crusty old plastic flats knows that scooping isn't a thing. There is a feeling like you're scooping the bike when you're really solidly connected to the pedals but moving up through the bunnyhop as you pedal that's really satisfying though. Maybe that's what they're trying to get you to understand when they talk about the scoop??
I have no idea, but if I never hear the term "scoop" again, I'll be so happy I'll try to bunnyhop over Logan!
Your scooping pointing your toes. Subtle, but its a scoop.
Still not a proof!
Ok, i do totally agree with you that the scoop is not necessary for bunnyhopping, and calling it such may do more harm than good (by making people try to pull up with their cleats for example). Not to mention i feel totally out of place trying to correct a rider like you ("im not worthy... im not worthy...")
HOWEVER, I do not think this totally debunks the potential benefit of a "scoop" when done right, possibly allowing the rider to get just a tiny bit more height. Seeing so many pro trials riders over the years swear by it, is enough for me. Those guys eek every possible mm of height when hopping, and perhaps there this motion has some merit. I rode trials for a couple of years and it didn't feel totally bonkers to me.
Is it useful in real world mtb riding, or when trying to learn how to hop? Does it matter as much as the unweighing of the rear? Absolutely not- you're 100% correct.
Perhaps try a "bunnyhop height challenege" with those nifty planky pedals and see if it matters :)
love the vid
I'm probably too late to this party, but I've only just seen the video. The idea of doing these experiments to try and get answers to these questions on technique is brilliant and I'm now subscribed to this channel for that reason. I can think of some other technical disputes you could try to clear up via experiment, e.g. how best to safely ride off drops - perhaps using a foam pit!
From some of the comments below, it looks like nobody is disputing that the rear wheel can be lifted without the feet as we can all demonstrate this by standing next to our bikes and lifting/shoving the bars forward. There is still one question being raised though: could the tension between the palm pressure on your grips and the rearward foot pressure on the wooden pedals be giving your feet enough grip to assist the rear wheel through its arc? I've seen you answer this question below by pointing out that you're only dropping your toes in a bunny hop as that's a natural part of any jumping motion, whether you're on a bike or just jumping up from a squat. I agree that dropping your toes is necessary to do a decent jumping motion, but I don't know whether it also creates friction against the wooden pedals, and whether this would assist lifting the rear wheel. So the experiment would be something like this:
1. You and someone else would both attempt to bunny hop whilst keeping your toes pointed flat throughout. You'd need to devise some way of making sure neither of you are cheating by dropping your toes, and the first thing I thought of was ski boots, but hopefully you could figure out a more practical alternative - e.g. I'm sure a clever German engineer could make a complicated gear/sprocket arrangement which would ensure each pedal remained horizontal to the ground throughout the rotation of the cranks.
2. You would do it on your wooden pedals. Whilst the other person would do it clipped in. I.e. you would have no connection to the pedals whereas the other person would have full connection.
3. Obviously, keeping your toes level is an unnatural way to jump so will result in both of you doing pretty feeble bunny hops. However, the point of the experiment would be to identify whether being attached to the pedals gives the other guy any advantage, and if so how much. So the test would be simply to measure how far the rear wheel raises for you and the other guy.
Whatever you think of the idea of trying bunnyhops in ski-boots on wooden pedals: if watching Jackass has taught me anything, it's that you'll get a hell of a lot of views...
Dude speak da toof!!
Scooping is for ice cream!
Hopping a FS bike is easier?!? Hahaha what a crock of crap. LOL. At least for me, anyway. 25 years ago I had a 40" hop on the ol' bmx bike. I can still get 30"+ at the ripe old age of 47, again on a bmx bike. But I STRUGGLE to get my FS bike (which is pretty well all I ride anymore) over a 20" bar. It's nearly comical to grab my son's bmx bike and and outdo myself by a foot on the bunnyhop bar. Incidentally I can get a few more inches with the rear suspension locked out. My admiration and kudos to the folks who can get a good, high bunnyhop on a suspended bike.
Nice BMX action! Once my daughter wants to race some BMX, I'll get myself another 20"er. I think a lot of folks have "suspension envy" and assume everything must be easier with the more complicated/expensive bike.
Oh, semantics...
if someone told me to "scoop", I'd still be bouncing myself into the air on random curbs!
Sure, but how would this work at sea level?
I mean you can scoop but it wont do much
Totally agree to JKW, you basically just hop that's why it's called a bunny hop. Cheers
Thanks Ronel!
..."ungravitating"..."parkouring"..."knee-upping"..."cheer-hopping"...your legs to get the rear up.
Now do it on a recumbant 🥴
"Does it work on a hardtail" "Try it on a hardtail".... HT obsessed.
"Scope" is 💩, advice
Folks dig the hardtails!!!
I think you uploaded the wrong version of the video. this seems like a draft
Ya I accidentally exported a ton of black video, I was making dinner and tending to the family while exporting and set the wrong out point.
Totally fake. Shimano shoes are super grippy on plywood, like a cat on flypaper. You might as well have been clipped in. I expect a redo with Pam coated plywood.
LOL cheers Jeremy!