When the whole room shakes and you can dislodge the camera, you've been taught properly to attain the true Shock Power. Respect to GM Ip Chee for sharing his knowledge and not treating his style as a money making business!
Master said: Saam Bo Jin (SBJ)is the fundamental, you start with this form on day one of your training, also have to train with Saam Bo Jin at the end. Wether u will success or not, denpends on SBJ. This form looks ordinary but contains all skills and techniques and use of power. U can see waist power, Ma (stance) power, Kiu (arm) power, finger power and elbow power. Ordinary people can’t see the the techniques, but only those who really know martial arts can see the beauty of it.
@@ChowGar I have just started training of Southern Mantis in Hong Kong, I can feel SBJ make my body feel different. I’m lucky to have training with great master in Hong Kong, so I’m happy to help.
Paul Whitrod, one of master Ip”s disciples based in the UK, used to have a huge, comprehensive dvd series covering the entire system in depth. It is a great way for someone who has some experience and understanding of Southern Chinese arts, especially Hakka arts with a similar foundation form (Bai He Quan, Bak Mei Kuen, Lung Ying Pai, etc) to pick up the system. I’m not sure if it’s still available though since he put it out quite a while ago. It used to be available for purchase on his site
Yes, he used to sell such DVD-s. We are also the disciples of Gatekeeper Grandmaster Ip Chee Keung and did practice with him many many times in the last 20 years. Based on that we have created a very thorough online course in which beside the system curriculum we incorporated all our training and teaching experience.
I’m trying to do fully translation: My big student is gonna show this fundamental form, it’s just like English language ABCD, very important. If your want your foundation is good, The fundamental form is decisive. You start with this form from the very beginning, whether you succeed or not, it’s also depends on this form. This form includes everything. This form looks very slow, but it’s internal power. Yiu King (waist power), Ma King (stance power), Kiu King (bridge power ), Jee King(finger power),Jarn Dai King (elbow base power). This Kung Fu has 5 big power and 5 small power. 5 big power: Tau King(head power), Keng King (neck power), Kin King (shoulder power), Kiu King(bridge power ), Yiu King (waist power), Ma King (stance power). 5 small power: Arnn King (eye power), Yee King(ear power), Soy King (cheek power), Hou King (throat power), Jee King (finger power). It looks ordinary, only those who really know martial arts can see the beauty of it, also know the Kung Dai (solid skills… I dunno how to interpret Kung Dai). Ordinary man have no idea of it. You hear can a noise of swoosh when he raise his power. Did u hear that ?
@@ChowGar no problem, I met some people shared their skills selflessly, so do I shared what I heard. Anyway, I learnt about the power of Southern Praying Mantis from this video. Whoever the big guy is, he is super good.
I found an AI (Whisper-1) and I gave to it to translate it, :) I'm not saying I understand it (it starts with an expression, I guess, and it is seems like lost in English...) but it's like this : "-In the great school, it's like I'm walking among the crowd. The three steps in gold (Saam Bo Gin). This form is equivalent to the English alphabet ABCD and is very important. Whether your foundation is good or not, and whether you can achieve success, depends on this form. When you first learn, you start with this form. In the end, whether you succeed or not, and how to define success, depends on this form. There are various techniques within the form, and I'm showing them to you now. The movements are slow, but the internal strength is there. It includes waist strength, horse stance strength, bridge strength, finger strength, and heel strength. This martial art is divided into five major forces and five minor forces. The five major forces are head, neck, shoulder, bridge, waist, and horse stance strength ((6?)). The five minor forces are eye, ear, cheek, head, and eye strength ((probably 'eye' not 2x?)). When performed, the movements seem unremarkable. However, only someone truly skilled in martial arts can understand the real foundation of this form. The joints are very relaxed. -Thank you" the original output of the AI without translation: "現在的大套體 比如我們現在 周家屯樓裏面的一個拳種 這個拳種 即是等於英文的ABCD 很重要的 你的基礎打得好不好 練不練得成就全靠這個拳種 你初學就是這個拳種 到最後你成不成功 怎樣才算成功 就是看這個拳種 有什麼招式包在拳種內 我現在給你們看 打起來動作很慢 但是你發自內勁 是一種內勁 腰勁 馬勁 橋勁 指勁 踭底勁 這招功夫分為五大勁 五小勁 五大勁 頭勁 頸勁 肩勁 橋勁 腰勁 馬勁 五小勁 眼勁 耳勁 腮勁 頭勁 眼勁 五小勁 打起來很平平無奇 這套拳是很會功夫的人 才會真相他的功底在哪裡 是很會看的 關節很鬆 謝謝"
Awesome video,just have a few questions. -Do you have an equivalent to opening and closing the joint?i think all hakka styles have something like the four energies that it is shared with the internal styles. -are the techniques connected together? Can they flow together? Because they seem to me kind of stiff, this is a recurring theme in all hakkanese martial arts. Thanks for the content, it is appreciated immensely.
Thank you for your question, a very good one! Chow Gar is an internal style. This form, Saam Bo Gin, has a specific purpose, to learn how to connect the body, how to generate power, how to put the power into the techniques, and so on. I understand that it may look stiff, but since it is concentrating on power collection and generation, it is normal. However the power we use is not stiff at all. We call it living power, it is very much sensitive and reactive. Watch this video about the power generation, it might help to understand it th-cam.com/video/UY3mZbLYcww/w-d-xo.html . We have different forms, which look more smooth, as you said the techniques flowing together, like the Hunting Bridge which you can see here performed by the grandmaster th-cam.com/video/UY3mZbLYcww/w-d-xo.html . The difficulty of this form is to put the same power into the techniques but still make them look smooth and fast. I hope I answered your question.
@@ChowGar thank you so much for responding! i think you have also a form called swimming dragon, it is a soft form, from what I've gathered,i do believe chow gar or bai he,or any hakkanese MA, is a conceptual martial art,just like wing chun, although sometimes i question whether there is a way to counter modern offensive techniques such as the uppercut or the body shots.
@@mgtowishfever8321Yes, Chow Gar is a principle driven conceptual art. Swimming dragon is not really a form, it is rather a soft Chi Kung exercise, which can be practiced in other ways too. From the modern offensive techniques you mentioned I would worry more of the uppercut than the body shots. But like in anything there is always a solution.
@@ChowGar My friend, thank you very much. Many South Shaolin systems today have adopted wing chun's wooden doll. Even some hung gar schools are using it. I remember that in the 1978 SHAOLIN INCENCIBLE film during the southern mantis training scene the character wore a supposed wooden doll unique to the style. But it looks like that's fictitious and never existed.
@@joaovermelho0084 You are very much welcome. What I can add to it is that there are many southern mantis lineages, and it might happen that some of them adapted that method, but none of we know of did. In our lineage specifically there is a principle which says that we practice with people, because dummies might be good for practice techniques and have some conditioning of the arm in the same time, but they are not really good for sensitivity, like a living partner is.
I keep mantis as pets & observe. This style suits individual with abnormally long extendable segmented forearms lined with spikes. I believe with practice from young age & implants this can be achieved. I am filled with fear by this fearsome execution of form.
Interesting view, thank you for sharing it. Always interesting to see how people who do not have experience with this system interpret what they see from the videos. The extension of the arms have a specific purpose. It is not about how to hit people, it is about to emphasize a certain posture and principle and to teach how to bring out the force until the and of the arm. Hitting works differently in real application. This system is a principle driven system and teaches, emphasizes certain postures and body mechanics to make the movements more effective. By the way in boxing you can also find very straight punches with extended arms and the body tuned into the punch. What can make Chow Gar look strange is that in practice you can see it done with both hands, but as I said the perception is different from the real meaning of the exercise. I am not sure if it is understandable but I tried my best to explain it.
@@ChowGar It is extremely interesting style of MA.The principles interest me more than 'street' applications & my interest in MA is Form as means of conveying principle & movement & as vehicle for self-realisation & cultural appreciation. Chow Gar is little known where I live & what I have seen of it on TH-cam is fascinating & amusing too. I appreciate your explanation of principle & body movement. Mantis is fascinating insect & I have been capturing them for pets since early childhood. Mantis is symbol of courage & singlemindedness. I would like to learn more of this style & I may train Chow Gar if opportunity presents. My humous take on style may seem disrespectful, but I comment as to how I honestly think after viewing. The movements like insect are somewhat disconcerting. If confronted by adversary trained in this style I would avoid. The mind of Mantis is insect Mind. Fascinating & alien.
@@tertia0011 your comment is not offensive or disrespectful at all, rather interesting as I said. For us after almost 30 years it is natural but I absolutely can understand that from outside might look weird or strange. Actually this style does not try to copy the mantis but instead goes for absorbing the mindset and instinct of the mantis. Of course there are certain posture which might remind to the insect but that is not the goal.
When the whole room shakes and you can dislodge the camera, you've been taught properly to attain the true Shock Power. Respect to GM Ip Chee for sharing his knowledge and not treating his style as a money making business!
Thank you!
Amin
Master said:
Saam Bo Jin (SBJ)is the fundamental, you start with this form on day one of your training, also have to train with Saam Bo Jin at the end. Wether u will success or not, denpends on SBJ. This form looks ordinary but contains all skills and techniques and use of power. U can see waist power, Ma (stance) power, Kiu (arm) power, finger power and elbow power. Ordinary people can’t see the the techniques, but only those who really know martial arts can see the beauty of it.
Thank you for this comment. Probably the best we ever got,
@@ChowGar I have just started training of Southern Mantis in Hong Kong, I can feel SBJ make my body feel different. I’m lucky to have training with great master in Hong Kong, so I’m happy to help.
@@jasonliu226 who is your master?
the 3 swooshes at the end was like added sound effects when in fact was real chi kung power, v impressive indeed
There are no sound effects used in this video, what you hear is the sound of his punch as his power goes through his arm.
I just love chow gar and love sarm bo jin. I do it every day
Great that you practice it! 🙏
Paul Whitrod, one of master Ip”s disciples based in the UK, used to have a huge, comprehensive dvd series covering the entire system in depth. It is a great way for someone who has some experience and understanding of Southern Chinese arts, especially Hakka arts with a similar foundation form (Bai He Quan, Bak Mei Kuen, Lung Ying Pai, etc) to pick up the system. I’m not sure if it’s still available though since he put it out quite a while ago. It used to be available for purchase on his site
Yes, he used to sell such DVD-s. We are also the disciples of Gatekeeper Grandmaster Ip Chee Keung and did practice with him many many times in the last 20 years.
Based on that we have created a very thorough online course in which beside the system curriculum we incorporated all our training and teaching experience.
I’m trying to do fully translation:
My big student is gonna show this fundamental form, it’s just like English language ABCD, very important.
If your want your foundation is good, The fundamental form is decisive.
You start with this form from the very beginning, whether you succeed or not, it’s also depends on this form. This form includes everything.
This form looks very slow, but it’s internal power.
Yiu King (waist power), Ma King (stance power), Kiu King (bridge power ), Jee King(finger power),Jarn Dai King (elbow base power).
This Kung Fu has 5 big power and 5 small power.
5 big power: Tau King(head power), Keng King (neck power), Kin King (shoulder power), Kiu King(bridge power ), Yiu King (waist power), Ma King (stance power).
5 small power: Arnn King (eye power), Yee King(ear power), Soy King (cheek power), Hou King (throat power), Jee King (finger power).
It looks ordinary, only those who really know martial arts can see the beauty of it, also know the Kung Dai (solid skills… I dunno how to interpret Kung Dai). Ordinary man have no idea of it.
You hear can a noise of swoosh when he raise his power. Did u hear that ?
Thanks a lot! 🙏
@@ChowGar no problem, I met some people shared their skills selflessly, so do I shared what I heard.
Anyway, I learnt about the power of Southern Praying Mantis from this video. Whoever the big guy is, he is super good.
I noticed a strange connection with this form to sanchin even though the movements are entirely different.
@@2bjjones good obsevation. Sanchin roots in Hakka system which mostly all have their own Saam Bo Gin (Sanchin) variation.
I found an AI (Whisper-1) and I gave to it to translate it, :) I'm not saying I understand it (it starts with an expression, I guess, and it is seems like lost in English...) but it's like this :
"-In the great school, it's like I'm walking among the crowd. The three steps in gold (Saam Bo Gin). This form is equivalent to the English alphabet ABCD and is very important. Whether your foundation is good or not, and whether you can achieve success, depends on this form. When you first learn, you start with this form. In the end, whether you succeed or not, and how to define success, depends on this form. There are various techniques within the form, and I'm showing them to you now. The movements are slow, but the internal strength is there. It includes waist strength, horse stance strength, bridge strength, finger strength, and heel strength. This martial art is divided into five major forces and five minor forces. The five major forces are head, neck, shoulder, bridge, waist, and horse stance strength ((6?)). The five minor forces are eye, ear, cheek, head, and eye strength ((probably 'eye' not 2x?)). When performed, the movements seem unremarkable. However, only someone truly skilled in martial arts can understand the real foundation of this form. The joints are very relaxed.
-Thank you"
the original output of the AI without translation:
"現在的大套體 比如我們現在 周家屯樓裏面的一個拳種 這個拳種 即是等於英文的ABCD 很重要的 你的基礎打得好不好 練不練得成就全靠這個拳種 你初學就是這個拳種 到最後你成不成功 怎樣才算成功 就是看這個拳種 有什麼招式包在拳種內 我現在給你們看 打起來動作很慢 但是你發自內勁 是一種內勁 腰勁 馬勁 橋勁 指勁 踭底勁 這招功夫分為五大勁 五小勁 五大勁 頭勁 頸勁 肩勁 橋勁 腰勁 馬勁 五小勁 眼勁 耳勁 腮勁 頭勁 眼勁 五小勁 打起來很平平無奇 這套拳是很會功夫的人 才會真相他的功底在哪裡 是很會看的 關節很鬆 謝謝"
Some parts are translated well :) Thanks!
Awesome video,just have a few questions.
-Do you have an equivalent to opening and closing the joint?i think all hakka styles have something like the four energies that it is shared with the internal styles.
-are the techniques connected together? Can they flow together? Because they seem to me kind of stiff, this is a recurring theme in all hakkanese martial arts.
Thanks for the content, it is appreciated immensely.
Thank you for your question, a very good one! Chow Gar is an internal style. This form, Saam Bo Gin, has a specific purpose, to learn how to connect the body, how to generate power, how to put the power into the techniques, and so on. I understand that it may look stiff, but since it is concentrating on power collection and generation, it is normal. However the power we use is not stiff at all. We call it living power, it is very much sensitive and reactive. Watch this video about the power generation, it might help to understand it th-cam.com/video/UY3mZbLYcww/w-d-xo.html .
We have different forms, which look more smooth, as you said the techniques flowing together, like the Hunting Bridge which you can see here performed by the grandmaster th-cam.com/video/UY3mZbLYcww/w-d-xo.html . The difficulty of this form is to put the same power into the techniques but still make them look smooth and fast.
I hope I answered your question.
@@ChowGar thank you so much for responding! i think you have also a form called swimming dragon, it is a soft form, from what I've gathered,i do believe chow gar or bai he,or any hakkanese MA, is a conceptual martial art,just like wing chun, although sometimes i question whether there is a way to counter modern offensive techniques such as the uppercut or the body shots.
@@mgtowishfever8321Yes, Chow Gar is a principle driven conceptual art. Swimming dragon is not really a form, it is rather a soft Chi Kung exercise, which can be practiced in other ways too.
From the modern offensive techniques you mentioned I would worry more of the uppercut than the body shots. But like in anything there is always a solution.
Friend, please help me with information. Does the Southern Mantis style use Wing Chun's wooden doll? It's just a curiosity of mine.
Thank you for your question. No, Chow Gar does not use any dummy, it is not part of the system concept and practice.
@@ChowGar My friend, thank you very much. Many South Shaolin systems today have adopted wing chun's wooden doll. Even some hung gar schools are using it. I remember that in the 1978 SHAOLIN INCENCIBLE film during the southern mantis training scene the character wore a supposed wooden doll unique to the style. But it looks like that's fictitious and never existed.
@@joaovermelho0084 You are very much welcome. What I can add to it is that there are many southern mantis lineages, and it might happen that some of them adapted that method, but none of we know of did. In our lineage specifically there is a principle which says that we practice with people, because dummies might be good for practice techniques and have some conditioning of the arm in the same time, but they are not really good for sensitivity, like a living partner is.
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Some lineage of jook lum mantis practices the dummy, it looks somewhat different than wing chun
The approach can vary by lineage. We do not use dummies. The system is completely different than wing chun.
I keep mantis as pets & observe. This style suits individual with abnormally long extendable segmented forearms lined with spikes. I believe with practice from young age & implants this can be achieved. I am filled with fear by this fearsome execution of form.
Interesting view, thank you for sharing it. Always interesting to see how people who do not have experience with this system interpret what they see from the videos.
The extension of the arms have a specific purpose. It is not about how to hit people, it is about to emphasize a certain posture and principle and to teach how to bring out the force until the and of the arm. Hitting works differently in real application.
This system is a principle driven system and teaches, emphasizes certain postures and body mechanics to make the movements more effective.
By the way in boxing you can also find very straight punches with extended arms and the body tuned into the punch.
What can make Chow Gar look strange is that in practice you can see it done with both hands, but as I said the perception is different from the real meaning of the exercise.
I am not sure if it is understandable but I tried my best to explain it.
@@ChowGar
It is extremely interesting style of MA.The principles interest me more than 'street' applications & my interest in MA is Form as means of conveying principle & movement & as vehicle for self-realisation & cultural appreciation. Chow Gar is little known where I live & what I have seen of it on TH-cam is fascinating & amusing too. I appreciate your explanation of principle & body movement. Mantis is fascinating insect & I have been capturing them for pets since early childhood. Mantis is symbol of courage & singlemindedness. I would like to learn more of this style & I may train Chow Gar if opportunity presents. My humous take on style may seem disrespectful, but I comment as to how I honestly think after viewing. The movements like insect are somewhat disconcerting. If confronted by adversary trained in this style I would avoid. The mind of Mantis is insect Mind. Fascinating & alien.
@@tertia0011 your comment is not offensive or disrespectful at all, rather interesting as I said. For us after almost 30 years it is natural but I absolutely can understand that from outside might look weird or strange.
Actually this style does not try to copy the mantis but instead goes for absorbing the mindset and instinct of the mantis. Of course there are certain posture which might remind to the insect but that is not the goal.
Sir, it is OKINAWAN Sanchin - not Japanese. The Japanese arts are not the same and they do not have Sanchin.
Yes, it is Okinawan Sanchin.