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I don't remember who quoted this but someone stated the 2 parallels between Lucy Gray and Katniss " Lucy Gray is a performer forced to fight, while Katniss is a fighter forced to perform."
To be fair it is so much easier to fall for snow in the movie than it is in the book, his internal monologue through the entire thing is literally DIABOLICAL
Coriolanus Snow is named after Shakespeare’s last tragedy, ‘Coriolanus’. Coriolanus in the play was a Roman general who descends into bloodthirst and eventual tyranny. In the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, Coriolanus’ mentor is named after Volumnia from the play. Volumnia in Shakespeare’s play was Coriolanus’ mother who coaxed and encouraged his violence and aggression. She was proud of turning him into a killer and a man. Volumnia Gaul in the Hunger Games plays the same role, turning Coriolanus Snow into a killer and a man.
A big thing to remember while watching this movie is we never get to hear snows inner monologue. The movie makes him seem like a good person with good thoughts, a few deeming qualities of course but the book truly shows the person he is. During the interview with Lucy Gray, he isn’t ‘staring at her with love and admiration’ he’s jealous of her. He’s jealous of the attention she gets- he’s jealous he can’t control her. I mean even in the book when Lucy gray sings to Coriolanus at the Hob- he literally thinks “ugh. boo. another ghost story”
When Lucy Gray sings the Ballad of Lucy Gray, he thinks that bc he doesn't get the imaginary for character on the song. When she sang Pure As The Driven Snow, actually at the Hob, professing her love to him, Coryo doesn't think less or any bs, and he also doesn't leave in middle of the song like the movie made him to. He stays till the end and cries because of it and runs to kiss her after. He was moved by. So let's just not mix up moments.
@@sil9810 I didn't say anything about the song he said that to but thank you for clearing it up! very sorry for getting the moments confused- I haven't read the book in a few months. ill make sure to polish up my replies before posting them :)
In the book, while he was still redeemable in the beginning, you could see the “signs” of who he would become a lot more clearly. It felt like less of a 180º turn. It wasn’t as much of a “good turns bad”, more like a “he struggles with good and evil, but evil wins in the end”
I feel like even in the movie it wasn’t “good turns bad”. He has his good moments and appears to have some level of genuine affection for Lucy Gray, but all of the bad actions are of his own freewill and the seeds of who he would become are already planted. He may be more redeemable than in the book, but he’s still motivated by his own gain and lust for power.
29:29 i feel like the point of the careers goes over a lot of people's head... they are a reminder that the real villains are never the children that were forced to be in that situation. coral's "please i can't have killed them all for nothing" goes hand in hand with cato in the hunger games "just one more kill because it's all i ever knew, to bring pride to my district". the hunger games at it's core is an exploration of political theories and the roles of human nature. characters like coral and the careers are proof of the hunger games core message. humans are not inherently evil, there is natural goodness. if coral and the careers wern't thrown into the games, if they weren't told the only way out was to kill everyone else, would they have ever killed these people? More than likely not.
In Snow’s mind I’m sure he believes he loved Lucy Gray more than anyone and that she nearly destroyed him, but I think the thing he loved most was himself, and in the end that is what destroys him.
I don’t think Lucy Gray turned on Snow. He betrayed her trust. When he let it slip that he was responsible for three deaths, she probably already knew he had something to do with Sejanus’ death. He was the only other person left who knew about the rebel plot, and the one with contacts in the Capitol. She was probably just looking for confirmation of what she already knew. When he lied right to her face, she realized she couldn’t trust him because of that dishonesty. She also saw he was perfectly willing to betray those around him to advance his ambitions in the Capitol. She was (understandably) afraid what he might do to her as the only loose end left tying him to the plot, so she figured she’d get away before she was next.
It's so clear now, that Snow ends up being haunted and paranoid; scare of losing everything he gain. So yes, you can tell he lived with fear all his life, fear of war, fear of losing his honor and position that's why he seeks power and lose everything else in the process (His humanity). The movie show how he made and own all the decisions that lead him to became that 'Snow' even when he have positive influence like Tigris and for me is just so sad that you can see how scare Tigris was of him at the end 😢 it's heartbreaking. Btw Tom Blyth is a great actor! he literally killed it 😅
@@joana8615When I got to that part, I was in shock. I just stared at the page. I thought his father would show up last minute or something to save his son.
I think Senjanus put himself in that situation. Snow just told him he could use his father's wealth & resources to get him out of the arena but it was true. Senjanus could of done so much good not fund rebels. If Snow didn't send the jabberjay he could of ended up dead too once Senjanus was found out. Senjanus had a kind ❤ but made bad decisions. Snow warned Senjanus but Senjanus choose wrong & in the end Snow choose himself out of self preservation. Snow didn't know he would become the heir to the Plinth fortune.
What i wish they would have kept from the books is the beginning of the games. The kids spent like three weeks together, bonding in the zoo, and they are terrified and don't want to kill each other. When the games start, most of them run away to hide and there's no bloodbath. It is more "boring" for the audience, but i like it better because it shows they're just kids who are put in a horrible situation. It's kind of funny how the directors became game makers, trying to make it more entertaining with children murdering each other...
Yes! I think it was brave in the books to make the Hunger Game itself anti-climactic and boring. The movie gave its audience the same thing the Capital audience craved in its entertainment - gritty drama and gore. That's what Coryo's contributions are supposed to add in future games, changing the tributes from victims to spectacles.
Yes and it makes more sense the way the books do it. Maybe some of it had to do with a lot of the "career" tributes dying before the games began, but in my mind, i wouldn't expect the opening bloodbath to become the norm for a few more years at least (while everyone adjusts their strategies to the sponsorships and other changes being implemented) It just would have helped better illustrate how the games have changed fundamentally from now until the events of the original trilogy
I agree. Great comment!! I would have loved if they would have dared to make the games boring. One thing that changes things, as I see it, is the light and the cameras in the tunnels. In the book, there are no cameras in the tunnel. They are dark and perfekt for hiding. Therefore it becomes natural for almost all the tributes to use them for hiding. In the movie. The arena has another feel to it. That more resembles the games in the original movies. And that’s sad. Because, as stated above, the games were supposed to be different and more boring before Snow make them into entertainment.
Nice reaction. Some interesting moments from the books: -You get snows inner thoughts. He's very paranoid, possessive, and self serving throughout. The reason he records Sejanus is because he truly believes that if Sejanus is caught that he will get in trouble just for being his friend. Much like they arrested lil at the hanging tree just for being associated with Arlo. He had some good in him but he also made choices that fully served himself even if he sometimes felt remorse afterwards. He is very selfish in all of his decisions. He refers to Lucy as "belonging" to him even before the games were over. -Katniss father knew about both the lake (which was a covey secret) and the hanging tree. In the book the hanging tree is only sung once in public and then it was banned. For her dad to know it, he had to be close to the covey.... A popular theory I also like is that Maude Ivory (girl who first starts singing at the reaping to get Lucy to start) is Katniss paternal grandmother. She was said to be able to remember a song exactly after only hearing it once. -Every reaction has mentioned what snow must have thought hearing the hanging tree in Mockingjay. They actually never aired that propo. It's mentioned in the book that Peeta didn't have fear reaction to it because it was never shown ... And he remembers hearing Katniss's dad sing it. Peeta specifically comments about how the birds stopped to hear him sing.
But they did air the "Hanging Tree" propo in the "Mockingjay Part 1" movie. So assuming this movie is meant to belong to the same continuity as the films, Snow probably did see it.
@@oliviastratton2169 when a book comes before a movie and they contradict each other usually the book is considered canon. Both can't be true so you go with the original. Just like the death order is different in the movie, you still go by the original books kill order.
@@jdbarber13 If you're talking about the franchise as a whole, yes. But this is specifically a reaction to the movie, which is in the same Canon as the other movies. So "movie timeline" Snow definitely could have seen the "Hanging Tree" propo and been reminded of Lucy Gray even if "book timeline" Snow never knew that propo existed.
@@oliviastratton2169 I'm talking about the books because my first comment specifically says "some interesting moments from the books". I literally spelled it out. I'm letting the reactor know the difference between the two.
Another cool detail is the song “Tha hanging tree”. With Lucy it has the original sound to it as she sang it. But because all evidence of her and by extension the covey have been erased Katniss only knows it as her father taught it to her. So the melody has changed and the timing is different. So Snow 64 years into the future just hears the same song his once lover wrote, now sung by the mockingjay. I ADORE THE SYMBOLISM OF THIS BOOK
I still say the way he's looking at her is best described as 'hungry'. I mean I know he's fascinated, entranced and/or captivated by her...but there's no affection in his gaze, no tenderness. Just want.
14:32 That’s the thing, the persona that he puts on to other people is perfect for Lucy Gray. What we don’t get much of in the movie is who Snow actually is, which in the book is present in his thoughts from that first scene in his family’s apartment the morning of the reaping. His thoughts often don’t line up with the things he says and does. He almost has an instinct for knowing how to win people over, and part of that includes keeping his self-centeredness hidden from others.
You definitely were right in your assumptions. In the books Snow didn't want to run away but he felt that they would find the gun he used and would eventually be killed so he felt he had no choice. The moment he realized that he could get rid of the guns the only thing tying him to the murders was Lucy Gray, and she realized that so she ran so he didn't have the chance to kill her. It's emphasized more so in the books but the most important thing to him is himself, so even if he did love Lucy Gray ( which in the books felt more possessive ) he was ready to throw that all away just so he could go back to living his life of luxury. It's meant to be unknown what happened to Lucy Gray ( If she was shot, if she did die from it etc. ) , but I think the best thing is that Snow never finds out either. He has to spend the rest of his life being haunted by the idea that she could come forth.
That’s also probably why all memory of the 10th Games was erased. All the footage was destroyed (except one copy for Gaul’s personal pleasure) and Lucy Gray is considered to be dead (since by the 74th Games Haymitch is the only known living victor).
All these comments saying in the book it’s clear he never actually loved her - these people didn’t understand the book. He did love her - he just ended up choosing his love for power over her. Also, love isn’t always this perfect, pure thing - sometimes love is toxic and codependent and obsessive. And their love was very much like that. I find their dynamic super fascinating and intriguing (moreso than Katniss and Peeta imo lol), because they both know how to play people, play the game, and use charisma to their benefit. And I’m a sucker for a doomed relationship trope. Also, people saying that his inner monologue in the book makes it clear he’s always been a horrible, bad person - also wrong. His inner monologue only starts to become really horrible near the end. In the beginning, yeah, he’s kind of a shithead teenager who easily falls into jealousy, selfishness, pridefulness, and a need to seem superior to mask his insecurities surrounding his living situation. but he’s also very focused on survival, and has some brainwashing from the influences he grew up around. He also does have redeeming qualities in the beginning. He realizes the capitol is using him, and he hates Dr. Gaul for how cruel she is (the horrible shit she’s done is way more graphic in the book). But he ultimately prioritizes survival over everything and ends up justifying more and more heinous actions under the guise that he’s just trying to protect himself and his family. It’s very fascinating because he had the option to choose good - his downfall into evil was not set in stone - but he made active decisions to choose power every time. Which makes it so powerful and realistic because that’s how most dictators come to be.
I think people just try to clarify, that it's not "bad bad Lucy Gray broke his heart and made him evil, boo hoo" type of story. he didn't change 180°, he had those tendencies from the begining
@@christianseibold3369 as I said - love is not always pure. this type of moralizing of human emotions and desires is dangerous. this is like saying happiness is always good or anger is always evil. Love can be toxic. Love can be obsessive. Doesn’t mean those people didn’t feel love for each other. It just isn’t a healthy love. And if you read the book there are several passages where he talks about feeling a love for her that very much represents “stereotypical” love.
@@18shuh I thought it was obvious Lucy Gray didn’t make him evil. Like I said, he made all his own decisions. The “tendencies” he had were due to upbringing (his grandmother and the small influence his father had before he died) and the influences of growing up in the Capitol with a certain kind of brainwashing that constantly hammered into him that the districts were evil, they would kill anyone in the Capitol at the drop of a hat, etc. some of that was also reinforced by his experiences during the war and growing up in poverty, because he was told it was always the districts’ fault for all of that happening, and not the capitol’s. But both the book and the movie make it clear people aren’t just born evil or always destined to become evil. Suzanne Collins used a couple quotes from philosophers exploring different aspects of those ideas, and Lucy Gray has the quote in the movie “I think everyone has a natural goodness to them, but it’s up to them to choose whether they cross the line into evil or not”
Thank you, even Tom and Rachel says what Coryo and Lucy Gray feel for each other is also love, but their love isn't black or white, pure or the worst, it's in between. It's Gray. It's complex.
48:18 You are absolutely right about the ending of Lucy Gray’s story! Because that conversation by the lake was about the song that she was singing in that scene, which is actually a real ballad/poem from our world, Lucy Gray by William Wordsworth. The Covey have a naming convention where their first first name is from a ballad and their second first name is a color. Lucy Gray’s is the only one who gets both from a ballad. Anyway, the premise of it is about a girl who gets lost in the woods in a snowstorm, and when her parents go looking for her they follow her footprints to a bridge where the tracks stop halfway across. The ending of the ballad is left a mystery, where some people think she died in the woods, while others think she’s still living out there and you can still hear her singing.
You are not the only one that was conflicted about Snow throughout this film. The Hunger Games truly changed him, forging him into the President Snow we all know him to be in the other Hunger Games films. I was mentally cussing myself out and repeating, “He’s evil! Evil! Don’t root for him! Ahhh!” Love your reaction. Thanks for uploading.
This movie explains why Snow hated Katniss so much. The one thing that made him weak was Lucy Gray, and he lost her. Lucy introduced him to the Mockingjay, which was a symbol of the rebellion and the pin she wore that Snow commented on at one point. Katness knew the hanging tree song which means her family has a history with Lucy Gray and the cubby’s as she was the one who wrote it. She introduces him to the root that you can eat called Katniss. She was strong and resilient just like Lucy. Everything about Katniss reminded snow of Lucy, the one thing in life that made him weak because she knew his secrets.
But it’s an odd kind of hatred. Snow despised Katniss, but couldn’t bring himself to destroy her like he has so many others in the past. I think it goes back to the feelings he had for Lucy Gray (who Katniss obviously reminds him of). As much as Snow hates Lucy Gray, he did seem to care for her at one time and probably still does in some way. It’s almost like the feelings you have for someone you used to be close with who wronged you. Part of you hates them for what they did, but part of you still has regard for them you because you remember the good times. It’s like his hatred for Katniss is too personal for him to actually do something about. In her he sees Lucy Gray and remembers the good times, so he despises her but part of him deep down cares for her (because he spares her when he had every reason and opportunity not to).
I also think that her relationship with Peta made him angry, because he probably spent the rest of his life wondering if his relationship with Lucy was real, or if she just used him to survive. Considering he thought she tried to kill him at the end with the snake. He knew Katnis didnt love peta in the begining and he knew about Gale. I think thats why he dressed Peta up as him in those interviews. He think he sees a lot of himself ( well his love for Lucy) in Peta. I think Snow thought of Lucy every day of his life. @@terminallumbago6465
The book is incredible. You get to really see in details how the hunger games went from that to what they are now; the tribute parade, the interviews with Flickerman, the betting, the tribute tower, the gifts, the rewards for victors all of it was born out of the 10th games. Also his thought are HILARIOUS. Suzanne Collins' has such a dry humour and because of that Snows' thoughts are absolutely unhinged and will make you cackle because that boy held absolutely NOTHING back😂. Also i personally think the book isn't necessary better or worse, i think it a great companion piece because in the book you are in his head and you know exactly what he's thinking so you wonder why people arent seeing how trully evil he is from page 1 but the movie shows you what other people see from the outside and how powerful and advantageous his pretty privilege really is. Also a particular favourite of this book for me is why his hatred for Sejanus is so personal. The snow family wealth is in ammunition and it was all invested in 13. So when 13 was "destroyed", they lost everything. The Plinths got wealthy from ammunitions as well. They sided with the president and it paid off. So Coryo saw the Plinths as the people that took what he believes belongs to him. Hence why he didnt grieve Sejanus' death and had no problem being adopted by the Plinths in everything but name and becoming their heir. He saw it all as getting what rightfully belonged to him. Also you can just IMAGINE how furious he was when he learned that 13 was never actually destroyed and that adds to why he didnt hesitate to bomb it. Its existence probably made his as mad as Katniss herself did.
That line about how “it’s the things we love most that destroy us” also has another meaning, because it’s a girl from District 12, a spitfire and in some ways mirror of Lucy Gray, that ultimately ignites the rebellion that destroyed Snow and brought his empire down. In many ways, the legacy of Lucy Gray brought him down.
(have yet to watch the rest of the vid) but you at 6:40 already calling it poetic justice that he’s mentoring the girl from 12, and i’m like “oh just you wait there’s some real bangers tying all this together even more” lmao it only gets better!!
I just noticed when snow shoots at Lucy Gray. It looks like the bullet hits the tree. And since there was no blood, it makes me think snow missed and Lucy Gray is still alive.
What I like in this movie is that almost all the tributes from what would become Career Districts try to escape from the Arena. It's such an interesting contrast to what they would become.
Poor Tigris. It's heavily implied in the books that both she and Lucy Gray sold their bodies to feed their respective cousins (Coryo for Tigris and Maude Ivory for Lucy Gray). To go to that length for a kid and have him turn out to be a dictator? Gotta be rough. At least Maude Ivory is a cutie (and possibly Katniss's grandmother).
@@JNDReacts She sings a song that says she "lived by her charms" and Snow is jealous. That is when Tigris defends her. Later, back in 12, Lucy Gray denies it but says if it were between "that" and letting Maude Ivory starve, she would do it.
And the best part of that last sentence is that Snow never got to say that on the books. But the screenwriters and director knew the character so well that they created something he totally would do even though he never did
I feel like the reason why Lucy Gray scapes from the cabin is because not only didn't he told her about Sejanus's death, but also because she knew that he didn't trusted her enough to tell her the truth
commenting after watching your reaction to the Hunger Games series and this last movie: one thing i'd say about your reactions is that i absolutely appreciate how you deeply try to connect everything, are super intuitive about what's gonna happen, give some thoughts on side storylines and are just taking a lot of time reviewing the movie you just saw. much more interesting than watching people reacting "ohs" and "ahs" and calling it a day. lots of love xx
Since there is no inner dialogue like in the book, the Snow we see in the movie is the persona he shows to the people. You are not a bad person if you fall for it since he is a charismatic person, thats part of his character. Actually the first song of Lucy Gray that he hears is the song that Katniss sings to Rue. Lucy Gray sings that song to her cousin in front of Snow in the books. He could have told her that he felt responsible for Sejanus death and she would have believe her (Tho she was already in doubt because he didn't tell her about the transfer) He actually didn't want to kill Sejanus, he thought his father would help him out of it. Then he was sad because he thought he was next. At the end he take the place of Sejanus in his family because Sejanus parents doesn't know what he did to thwir son. Lucy Gray, in the books, kills Wovey no Dill. Think of Katniss killing Rue accidentally, that's basically what happened to Lucy Gray (She saw her cousin in Wovey) Snow doesn't do anything if he doesn't win something out of it. Always think about this, every action that he did was to gain something. Even if it appears as a sefles action, it wasn't. Including with Lucy Gray. Did he really loved her? Who knows. Did he love the control that he had over her? Definitely. He wasn't too happy in 12 with her because she had a whole life before knowing him. He doesn't see Lucy Gray as district because she said she wasn't. He try to convince himself that she was more close to be capitol to not feel bad for being attracted to her.
In the books Reaper died last in the games by being tired and at the end rat poisoning. Since he was the final tribute beside Lucy Gray she tired him out by removers the cloth he put over the fallen tributes. She then put rat poison in the puddle of rain water which Reaper only drank from. He also contracted rabies, so with that and the rat poison he died Also Dill did not die by the Watwr bottle Lucy Gray put Wovey did.
I love your post reaction commentary. I think your videos have provided some of the most in-depth analysis and understanding of the films & their themes. Some reactors are way off or their observations stay on the surface level. Thanks for another great one!
Before snow took power the districts look like they had some semblance of fun they could have music concerts and they could swim they could wear color. Then snow got into power then he went heavy-handed with his oppression and fenced up the whole place. Heavily, armed, and suited up his peacekeepers.
I love ur reaction sm! It's awesome to see how even though you didn't read the book, you can still see how Snow was never truly a good person (for example not seeing the tributes as human when he introduces betting). Lots of people seem to have missed that lmao. I also related to thinking Lucy Gray and Snow were cute but being like noooooo lmao
Coriolanus is very unhinged in the first few paragraphs of chapter one. His upbringing definitely caused that. He was very conditioned by his father and the society he lived in. Just pay attention to the words Suzanne uses to show us just how unhinged his mind works. He believes in his core that the districts are "district scum" because they took his father away from him. He is the type to hold a grudge. He focuses so hard on something he loses sight of everything else. The movie doesn't show us just how "psychotic" his thoughts are. I think she crawled away so he wouldn't see her footprints. Then she hid until he gave up.
39:42 While it’s true Snow thought that Sejanus’s father would be able to buy his son’s way out of trouble like usual, Snow wasn’t actually upset about Sejanus being killed. He was upset because of the trouble Sejanus had gotten him into. He never liked nor cared about Sejanus.
the movie was originally 4 hours long. they removed a whole hour ans a half due to complaints about it being so long. that’s why i think the change feels so sudden cause a lot of it is cut
The guilty feeling was even worse in the book cause it just slooooowly builds up as your reading. Like parts of this are very cute but you know damn well its not ending well for Lucy Gray lol
I watched this at the theater with my son yesterday and I knew it was rabies RIGHT away, it is like my worst nightmare. Bat bite, I was like, “Rabies.” Then when Lucy Gray tries to give him water and he recoils: “Rabies.” Foam at the mouth? RABIES!!!!
Great reaction!!! The bombing of the arena is interesting. The capital says it was rebels but think about the end of the movie “the world is an arena” which leads me to believe from the book and the movie it was The Capital who bombed them
Remember in Mockingjay when they think Katniss is killed during the building explosion in the Capitol and when president Snow finds out she survived he seems relieved almost even though its veiled in real shock; I think it’s kinda paralleled in the way he doesn’t know if Lucy Grey is still alive after he shoots her and I feel like he’s so transported back to his own past remembrances that he feels like he’s hearing about Lucy Grey for a second and he also sees the parallels in their resilience and performance so he gets lost in what he’s seeing plus he’s literally a senile old man with poisoned blood so who knows what he was thinking towards the end. lol maybe none of that makes sense 😅😅 anyway it’s late 😅
Hello there! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! You know what’s in my mind? Lucy Gray is just a character with the Head Game Maker, which means she is part of the show being orchestrated, and Snow is being manipulated to become the successor of the Game Maker. Why? The snake was being fed with the Head Master and it seems to have a connection with Lucy Gray, that is also why of all the Tribune, she’s the only one never had been bitten. ( It was being played for snow to fall in love with the Lucy gray) The friend of Snow was being set up to be killed because he was the only one opposed the Hunger Games calling all them Monsters.The character of snow is just psychologically and mentally unstable to be sane a good guy, rather he has trait as a weak man that shouldn’t had been in power. That’s just my personal analogy on this movie. Aside from that, I loved the hunger games sequel. ❤ Snow was being manipulated by the Head Game Master and Snow would tried to manipulate the game for Lucy Gray to be saved.😊
Hello Michelle and congratulations on your channel! I apologize right now for my bad English (I write you from Italy). 😅 I agree on everything. I don’t know if you’ve read the book but Coriolanus is a bad boy from the first to the last chapter. He is opportunistic and a liar. He often gives compliments, which he does not really think about, only to make himself likeable in front of other people. In Italy we say the wolf in sheep’s clothing (I don’t know if you say that too). He’s not the friendly guy who smiles at his grandmother, he’s the cocky guy who confronts Casca. I find Tom Blyth very good in that scene because he totally changes his expression, as if at that moment Snow had taken off his mask to reveal himself. It almost seems that he wants to say to his enemy "you’re right, you’ve always been right. I’m a fucking as*ho*e like my father". Isn’t he brilliant?
Watching someone react to this prequel for the first time through the movie is much more infuriating than I expected it to be haha. Cuz in the book you get to hear all his nasty little thoughts, which really drives the story, but here you only see the parts he wants you to see.
This movie romanticized both Lucy Gray and Snow, as they were both more ruthless than the movie showed. Lucy Gray just hid it better as she's a performer. Lucy Gray had as much an influence on his transformation as Gaul and Highbottom's hate did. Btw, Lucy's kills were more in the books, as she also killed Reaper by poison when only he and her were left, and it's heavily implied (stated? Can't remember now) that she also poisoned Jessup, which is why he keeps asking her what she did to him.
I didn't feel guilty for liking them cause I have the memory of a goldfish and the fact that Snow is THAT Snow just blissfully leaves my mind when it's not in flashing letters in front of me
Love your synopsis! I hope our good sis ran away because he was droppin a lot of red flags but that last one was about how many folks he killed 😅, she was like nah
At the end of mackyjay part two were Katnsis and petta are with their kids I believe is the life that Snow and Lucy should have had would have had if he chose a different path and and ran away with Lucy
I really recommend reading the book for this one. As much as I loved the movie, you miss a lot not hearing his internal monologue. You're not the first person to think he's a good guy the whole time and turns crazy at the end, but he is a selfish creep the whole time. Everything he does is entirely for self serving purposes, and his "love" for Lucy Grey is obsessives and manipulative. He is a textbook abusive boyfriend to her
Snow made choices from the start that showed his true character. I felt the whole time that snow was just acting the part to get himself ahead. I think he did like Lucy Grey but did not love her for who she was in all. Especially when he believed that shed betray him. Snow would rather be somebody in the Capitol any chance he got.
i loved this Movie so much can't wait for it to come out as a DVD to watch it again 18:29 tbh no i just liked them😂they are so cute together i hoped the whole time it would end well even though i knew it didn't😭
Great insight into Snow but without seeing your unedited reaction U am not sure if you realized that Snow poisoned the Dean Snow' s 1st direct posion victim 😢
(sorry in advance for the long comment i just love this book lol) smth i love about the book that doesn’t come across as much in the movie is that every single thing coriolanus does to help lucy gray is really just for his own benefit and to bolster his own image. yes he wants her to win, he wants her to trust him but ONLY rlly because he needs the money from the prize. throughout the book we read that he’s never capable of seeing her as her own respectable perosn unless he’s thinking of her as Capitol rather than District, and he only likes her acting out when it’s smth /he/ told her to do. he just wants control over her, but because of her perspective all she really sees until the end (when he slips up and says he’s actually killed more) is that he’s helping her, she can’t see in his head that it’s for only his own benefit. in my personal opinion i think lucy gray loved snow, but i think snow only convinced himself that he loved lucy gray, not that he actually did. he sees people from the district as savage animals pretty much, and he only likes lucy gray because he’s able to see a bit of Capitol in her. and the heartbreaking thing is, he had SO many chances!! so many chances to be better, chances from lucy gray, from sejanus, from tigris!!! tigris especially really gets to me because we see her adoring him to the moon and back in the beginning of this but thinking back to mockingjay, she’s helping rebels and smiling when katniss says she’s there to kill snow. ahh and the parallels to the original trilogy are just fantastic. and rachel zegler was INCREDIBLE as lucy gray she really understands her as a character and it comes across so well (not to mention her incredible singing) edit: omg i forgot!!! in the book we also get a whole thing w clemensia!!! after she gets bit by the snake she doesn’t just disappear entirely, we actually see her a few more times w the effects of what happens and shes SO interesting to me
I watched the movie recently and it was a great adaptation, I mean it wasn’t perfect but it definitely lived up to the level of a hunger games movie! The acting was phenomenal, Rachel Zegler and Tom Blyth outdid themselves!! The costumes, songs and set were amazing too, it also seemed nostalgic, I felt like I was back when The hunger games movies came out 🫶🏻 HOWEVER, there were some negatives, the most obvious one is that the movie couldn’t show the viewers Snow’s inner monologue, which I get it they couldn’t in that sense, but they also changed a few details in the movie that gave Snow credit for things that weren’t his ideas and if adapted exactly how they happened in the book they would’ve given the viewers so much insight on some characters especially Snow’s character and what he actually thinks and the fact that he is opportunistic, it was actually a missed opportunity and I don’t know why they changed those details, but overall it was a great movie and I will definitely watch it again!! Here are some things that they changed from the book: - Lucy and the tunnels of the arena (She got the idea on her own, Snow didn’t go before a day and see the tunnels and tell her to go there) - Sejanus and the feeding of the tributes (Sejanus actually got the idea on his own too, he went to the zoo with a bag full of sandwiches to feed the tributes) - Arachne’s death and how Snow reacted (He kept looking at the scene and didn’t move until Lucy told him to, and he looked at the cameras first and then went to Arachne- he just cared that the cameras were recording) - Snow and the handkerchief with the snakes (he thinks it’s possible that they will put the snakes in the arena and he says “his hand slipped” when putting the handkerchief in the tank in the elevator, he was before that in Dr Gail’s office and he noticed the whole thing by coincidence) - Clemensia and Snow scene (they didn’t know what was going to happen when they put their hands in the tank and Clemesnsia returns later in the movie and has a few scenes that were important in my opinion) - When they were in the cabin (in the book she doesn’t say his thoughts, however she vocalizes his thoughts in the movie but really it does not go with her character to say that she’s the last loose end) - He already decided that he wanted to kill her before he exits the cabin and not when he enters the woods and gets bitten by a snake. - They never mentioned the deleting of the 10th hunger games (no more evidence, Dr Gaul deleted everything and there was a whole paragraph that snow though that should’ve been included, it’s about how everyone will forget Lucy) - The ending of the games did not happen (the “get her out” yelling and him caring about her being out of the games, there was no chanting, he was not fighting for her in that moment)
Since the beginning when I watched the movie, I was rooting for Coriolanus and Lucy Gray, knowing very well that it doesn’t last and how much he changed and what he becomes later on. I really loved the relationship of Coriolanus and Lucy Gray and how it develops. I just thought it was so so cute and wished it could’ve ended differently. They could’ve been very happy together but Snow ruined it because he was more focused on his personal agenda and wanting to return to his life of luxury in the Capitol instead of being with her. I really wanted them to be endgame knowing very well they would never be. 🥺 I do believe that he developed real feelings for her and did fall in love with her while he was her mentor and that’s why he cheated for her to win, while also becoming desperate for Lucy Gray to win so he can win the Plinth Prize. I do think Coriolanus was a good person in the beginning but in a way, the Hunger Games changed him and even more so when he went to District 12 to be with Lucy Gray. At the time I watched the movie, I was also reading the book, and I really liked how accurate it was to the book, with some things different after finishing the book. It was just really incredible and most of the script was word for word from the book which I loved too. What’s really cool about all the scenes of Rachel singing is she’s actually singing and playing the guitar live, which is really impressive. She insisted on singing live instead of lip syncing. For the ending, I think Lucy Gray did survive and ran away far from 12. I feel like she could’ve fled to District 13. It would’ve be the safest place for her with the mayor believing that she killed his daughter and the Peacekeepers looking for her everywhere. Everyone believed that District 13 was destroyed when it was obliterated by the Capitol so no one would think of her going there. I also think Snow could’ve been hallucinating when he shot her and believed he killed her which is why he looked sad after realizing what he thought he did because he still loves her and was hurt by her betrayal and leaving him because of his dishonesty towards her. Even though he’s the one to blame for why Lucy Gray left him. I watched your other Hunger Games reactions and they were so entertaining to watch and one of the best. I was patiently waiting to see if you would react to TBOSAS because I really wanted to know what you thought especially on Coriolanus and Lucy Gray and once again, your reaction didn’t disappoint. 😁
I don't get why nobody in the comments brings this up - Lucy is not entirely innocent in everything. She's manipulative as well in this and in the book. It's just harder to notice because you know who Snow is and what kind of person he is, so you pay more attention to that information.
She was bit manipulative as survival tactic, but just like Sejanus both of them are described from Snow's pov and he is unrealiable narrator, he's also paranoid and does everything what benefits him so it's best not to trust anything he says/does.
To me watching this movie, I wasn’t conflited at all. I didn’t like snow in the hunger games and I have read the TBOSAS book (the movie/book title in short) and once I read his inner momologue, I instantly didn’t like him. The way he thinks of things is pretty morbid to say the least. 😅 I also like the way they casted young snow to be attractive, so that people can be somewhat conflited. To root for him and to somehow like him. Its sad to see that Sejanus and Lucy Gray were involved with him, because they both would've done great things (rebellion wise) Their one mistake? Trusting Snow. In the book it foreshadows a lot of things that Snow will do in the future, who he will meet, and what he will have to deal with going forward. I like this book more than the trilogy. It was well-written to me personally. And I believe the director(s) did this book justice in the movie.
"Almost simping" mam, I was simping since the day the book came out and I ran to the bookstore and read it in 2 days 😂 There is one thing i like more than romance and it's a painful romance and super flawed characters with darkness in them Nah the movie was so good, it captured the book so well and tied perfectly with the rest, at least to me. I love watching your reactions, you seem to care so much about what you're watching, always have amazing insights 💫
I haven't read the books yet so forgive me lol but the "rainbow of destruction" is really sticking with me because I know about how full colors or the lack of color is used as a tool of oppression by govts so her saying a rainbow here is very interesting. I do know a rainbow shows up over the statue at the end which is a nod back to Lucy Gray's dress at the reaping so maybe the rainbow of destruction wording was only pointing to that instead, I'm not sure
*I just bought the book so I can’t read all the comments. Spoilers🙈
Lucy Gray and Coriolanus had their cute moments, but he just had to be a narcissistic psycho....I can never win.
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We still remember he grows up to traffick people. Justice for Finnick!
The biggest take away from this movie (without the internal monologue) is that Snow had CHOICES. And he always chose himself.
It is out choices, Coriolanus, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities
No the message is no matter what you do for a woman it will not be enough
@@masonterwilliger3115 crazy to admit that you have Zero media literacy out loud
I don't remember who quoted this but someone stated the 2 parallels between Lucy Gray and Katniss " Lucy Gray is a performer forced to fight, while Katniss is a fighter forced to perform."
P sure it was Lucy Gray's actress
It was Rachel Zegler, who plays Lucy Gray
I love that quote
I think it was Rachel Zegler
a performer in a hunt and a hunter in a performance.
To be fair it is so much easier to fall for snow in the movie than it is in the book, his internal monologue through the entire thing is literally DIABOLICAL
To be fair, Lucy is just as diabolical
@@joshhutton9534 Is she though? Or is that just Snow's perception projecting onto her?
Coriolanus Snow is named after Shakespeare’s last tragedy, ‘Coriolanus’. Coriolanus in the play was a Roman general who descends into bloodthirst and eventual tyranny.
In the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, Coriolanus’ mentor is named after Volumnia from the play. Volumnia in Shakespeare’s play was Coriolanus’ mother who coaxed and encouraged his violence and aggression. She was proud of turning him into a killer and a man.
Volumnia Gaul in the Hunger Games plays the same role, turning Coriolanus Snow into a killer and a man.
I did not know that. Thank you for sharing that information.
A big thing to remember while watching this movie is we never get to hear snows inner monologue. The movie makes him seem like a good person with good thoughts, a few deeming qualities of course but the book truly shows the person he is. During the interview with Lucy Gray, he isn’t ‘staring at her with love and admiration’ he’s jealous of her. He’s jealous of the attention she gets- he’s jealous he can’t control her. I mean even in the book when Lucy gray sings to Coriolanus at the Hob- he literally thinks “ugh. boo. another ghost story”
When Lucy Gray sings the Ballad of Lucy Gray, he thinks that bc he doesn't get the imaginary for character on the song.
When she sang Pure As The Driven Snow, actually at the Hob, professing her love to him, Coryo doesn't think less or any bs, and he also doesn't leave in middle of the song like the movie made him to. He stays till the end and cries because of it and runs to kiss her after. He was moved by. So let's just not mix up moments.
@@sil9810 I didn't say anything about the song he said that to but thank you for clearing it up! very sorry for getting the moments confused- I haven't read the book in a few months. ill make sure to polish up my replies before posting them :)
i think we all felt conflicted about snow while watching this movie lol. 'remember who the villain is" WE ARE TRYING
When in doubt just remember that disgusting man killed Finnick.
I just gave up while watching since this was before he became so evil 😂
@@Ivypool123 fair 😂😂
In the movie but the book shows his true thoughts didn't match all his actions@@Ivypool123
In the book, while he was still redeemable in the beginning, you could see the “signs” of who he would become a lot more clearly. It felt like less of a 180º turn. It wasn’t as much of a “good turns bad”, more like a
“he struggles with good and evil, but evil wins in the end”
I feel like even in the movie it wasn’t “good turns bad”. He has his good moments and appears to have some level of genuine affection for Lucy Gray, but all of the bad actions are of his own freewill and the seeds of who he would become are already planted. He may be more redeemable than in the book, but he’s still motivated by his own gain and lust for power.
29:29 i feel like the point of the careers goes over a lot of people's head... they are a reminder that the real villains are never the children that were forced to be in that situation. coral's "please i can't have killed them all for nothing" goes hand in hand with cato in the hunger games "just one more kill because it's all i ever knew, to bring pride to my district". the hunger games at it's core is an exploration of political theories and the roles of human nature. characters like coral and the careers are proof of the hunger games core message. humans are not inherently evil, there is natural goodness. if coral and the careers wern't thrown into the games, if they weren't told the only way out was to kill everyone else, would they have ever killed these people? More than likely not.
Besides, they are also just children, either doing what they were taught or desperately trying to survive...
In Snow’s mind I’m sure he believes he loved Lucy Gray more than anyone and that she nearly destroyed him, but I think the thing he loved most was himself, and in the end that is what destroys him.
!! I love that take.
Great point!
I don’t think Lucy Gray turned on Snow. He betrayed her trust. When he let it slip that he was responsible for three deaths, she probably already knew he had something to do with Sejanus’ death. He was the only other person left who knew about the rebel plot, and the one with contacts in the Capitol. She was probably just looking for confirmation of what she already knew. When he lied right to her face, she realized she couldn’t trust him because of that dishonesty. She also saw he was perfectly willing to betray those around him to advance his ambitions in the Capitol. She was (understandably) afraid what he might do to her as the only loose end left tying him to the plot, so she figured she’d get away before she was next.
It's so clear now, that Snow ends up being haunted and paranoid; scare of losing everything he gain. So yes, you can tell he lived with fear all his life, fear of war, fear of losing his honor and position that's why he seeks power and lose everything else in the process (His humanity). The movie show how he made and own all the decisions that lead him to became that 'Snow' even when he have positive influence like Tigris and for me is just so sad that you can see how scare Tigris was of him at the end 😢 it's heartbreaking.
Btw Tom Blyth is a great actor! he literally killed it 😅
Sejanus deserved so much better 😢
I had to stop reading the book for weeks when i got to that part, everything is so unfair
@@joana8615When I got to that part, I was in shock. I just stared at the page. I thought his father would show up last minute or something to save his son.
I think Senjanus put himself in that situation. Snow just told him he could use his father's wealth & resources to get him out of the arena but it was true. Senjanus could of done so much good not fund rebels. If Snow didn't send the jabberjay he could of ended up dead too once Senjanus was found out. Senjanus had a kind ❤ but made bad decisions. Snow warned Senjanus but Senjanus choose wrong & in the end Snow choose himself out of self preservation. Snow didn't know he would become the heir to the Plinth fortune.
34:12 She's 'his girl' you see. First as 'his' tribute, then as 'his' victor, now as 'his' lover.
7:10 The little girl singing here (Lucy Gray’s cousin, Maude Ivory) is highly speculated to be Katniss’s paternal grandmother!
What i wish they would have kept from the books is the beginning of the games. The kids spent like three weeks together, bonding in the zoo, and they are terrified and don't want to kill each other. When the games start, most of them run away to hide and there's no bloodbath. It is more "boring" for the audience, but i like it better because it shows they're just kids who are put in a horrible situation. It's kind of funny how the directors became game makers, trying to make it more entertaining with children murdering each other...
Yes! I think it was brave in the books to make the Hunger Game itself anti-climactic and boring. The movie gave its audience the same thing the Capital audience craved in its entertainment - gritty drama and gore. That's what Coryo's contributions are supposed to add in future games, changing the tributes from victims to spectacles.
Yes and it makes more sense the way the books do it. Maybe some of it had to do with a lot of the "career" tributes dying before the games began, but in my mind, i wouldn't expect the opening bloodbath to become the norm for a few more years at least (while everyone adjusts their strategies to the sponsorships and other changes being implemented)
It just would have helped better illustrate how the games have changed fundamentally from now until the events of the original trilogy
I agree. Great comment!! I would have loved if they would have dared to make the games boring. One thing that changes things, as I see it, is the light and the cameras in the tunnels. In the book, there are no cameras in the tunnel. They are dark and perfekt for hiding. Therefore it becomes natural for almost all the tributes to use them for hiding.
In the movie. The arena has another feel to it. That more resembles the games in the original movies. And that’s sad. Because, as stated above, the games were supposed to be different and more boring before Snow make them into entertainment.
Nice reaction. Some interesting moments from the books:
-You get snows inner thoughts. He's very paranoid, possessive, and self serving throughout. The reason he records Sejanus is because he truly believes that if Sejanus is caught that he will get in trouble just for being his friend. Much like they arrested lil at the hanging tree just for being associated with Arlo. He had some good in him but he also made choices that fully served himself even if he sometimes felt remorse afterwards. He is very selfish in all of his decisions.
He refers to Lucy as "belonging" to him even before the games were over.
-Katniss father knew about both the lake (which was a covey secret) and the hanging tree. In the book the hanging tree is only sung once in public and then it was banned. For her dad to know it, he had to be close to the covey.... A popular theory I also like is that Maude Ivory (girl who first starts singing at the reaping to get Lucy to start) is Katniss paternal grandmother. She was said to be able to remember a song exactly after only hearing it once.
-Every reaction has mentioned what snow must have thought hearing the hanging tree in Mockingjay. They actually never aired that propo. It's mentioned in the book that Peeta didn't have fear reaction to it because it was never shown ... And he remembers hearing Katniss's dad sing it. Peeta specifically comments about how the birds stopped to hear him sing.
Wow
But they did air the "Hanging Tree" propo in the "Mockingjay Part 1" movie. So assuming this movie is meant to belong to the same continuity as the films, Snow probably did see it.
@@oliviastratton2169 when a book comes before a movie and they contradict each other usually the book is considered canon. Both can't be true so you go with the original. Just like the death order is different in the movie, you still go by the original books kill order.
@@jdbarber13 If you're talking about the franchise as a whole, yes. But this is specifically a reaction to the movie, which is in the same Canon as the other movies.
So "movie timeline" Snow definitely could have seen the "Hanging Tree" propo and been reminded of Lucy Gray even if "book timeline" Snow never knew that propo existed.
@@oliviastratton2169 I'm talking about the books because my first comment specifically says "some interesting moments from the books". I literally spelled it out. I'm letting the reactor know the difference between the two.
Another cool detail is the song “Tha hanging tree”. With Lucy it has the original sound to it as she sang it. But because all evidence of her and by extension the covey have been erased Katniss only knows it as her father taught it to her. So the melody has changed and the timing is different. So Snow 64 years into the future just hears the same song his once lover wrote, now sung by the mockingjay. I ADORE THE SYMBOLISM OF THIS BOOK
I still say the way he's looking at her is best described as 'hungry'.
I mean I know he's fascinated, entranced and/or captivated by her...but there's no affection in his gaze, no tenderness. Just want.
TOM BLYTH DID SUCH A PHENOMENAL JOB PLAYING SNOW🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
14:32 That’s the thing, the persona that he puts on to other people is perfect for Lucy Gray. What we don’t get much of in the movie is who Snow actually is, which in the book is present in his thoughts from that first scene in his family’s apartment the morning of the reaping.
His thoughts often don’t line up with the things he says and does. He almost has an instinct for knowing how to win people over, and part of that includes keeping his self-centeredness hidden from others.
You definitely were right in your assumptions. In the books Snow didn't want to run away but he felt that they would find the gun he used and would eventually be killed so he felt he had no choice. The moment he realized that he could get rid of the guns the only thing tying him to the murders was Lucy Gray, and she realized that so she ran so he didn't have the chance to kill her. It's emphasized more so in the books but the most important thing to him is himself, so even if he did love Lucy Gray ( which in the books felt more possessive ) he was ready to throw that all away just so he could go back to living his life of luxury.
It's meant to be unknown what happened to Lucy Gray ( If she was shot, if she did die from it etc. ) , but I think the best thing is that Snow never finds out either. He has to spend the rest of his life being haunted by the idea that she could come forth.
That’s also probably why all memory of the 10th Games was erased. All the footage was destroyed (except one copy for Gaul’s personal pleasure) and Lucy Gray is considered to be dead (since by the 74th Games Haymitch is the only known living victor).
All these comments saying in the book it’s clear he never actually loved her - these people didn’t understand the book. He did love her - he just ended up choosing his love for power over her. Also, love isn’t always this perfect, pure thing - sometimes love is toxic and codependent and obsessive. And their love was very much like that. I find their dynamic super fascinating and intriguing (moreso than Katniss and Peeta imo lol), because they both know how to play people, play the game, and use charisma to their benefit. And I’m a sucker for a doomed relationship trope.
Also, people saying that his inner monologue in the book makes it clear he’s always been a horrible, bad person - also wrong. His inner monologue only starts to become really horrible near the end. In the beginning, yeah, he’s kind of a shithead teenager who easily falls into jealousy, selfishness, pridefulness, and a need to seem superior to mask his insecurities surrounding his living situation. but he’s also very focused on survival, and has some brainwashing from the influences he grew up around. He also does have redeeming qualities in the beginning. He realizes the capitol is using him, and he hates Dr. Gaul for how cruel she is (the horrible shit she’s done is way more graphic in the book). But he ultimately prioritizes survival over everything and ends up justifying more and more heinous actions under the guise that he’s just trying to protect himself and his family. It’s very fascinating because he had the option to choose good - his downfall into evil was not set in stone - but he made active decisions to choose power every time. Which makes it so powerful and realistic because that’s how most dictators come to be.
I think people just try to clarify, that it's not "bad bad Lucy Gray broke his heart and made him evil, boo hoo" type of story. he didn't change 180°, he had those tendencies from the begining
@@christianseibold3369 as I said - love is not always pure. this type of moralizing of human emotions and desires is dangerous. this is like saying happiness is always good or anger is always evil. Love can be toxic. Love can be obsessive. Doesn’t mean those people didn’t feel love for each other. It just isn’t a healthy love. And if you read the book there are several passages where he talks about feeling a love for her that very much represents “stereotypical” love.
@@18shuh I thought it was obvious Lucy Gray didn’t make him evil. Like I said, he made all his own decisions. The “tendencies” he had were due to upbringing (his grandmother and the small influence his father had before he died) and the influences of growing up in the Capitol with a certain kind of brainwashing that constantly hammered into him that the districts were evil, they would kill anyone in the Capitol at the drop of a hat, etc. some of that was also reinforced by his experiences during the war and growing up in poverty, because he was told it was always the districts’ fault for all of that happening, and not the capitol’s. But both the book and the movie make it clear people aren’t just born evil or always destined to become evil. Suzanne Collins used a couple quotes from philosophers exploring different aspects of those ideas, and Lucy Gray has the quote in the movie “I think everyone has a natural goodness to them, but it’s up to them to choose whether they cross the line into evil or not”
Thank you, even Tom and Rachel says what Coryo and Lucy Gray feel for each other is also love, but their love isn't black or white, pure or the worst, it's in between. It's Gray. It's complex.
Finally! The novel is an interesting character story but it gets lost in whether someone is pure evil or good.
40:08 During this scene, all I could think about is the end of Mockingjay when Snow told Katniss "I thought we promised not to lie to each other"
48:18 You are absolutely right about the ending of Lucy Gray’s story! Because that conversation by the lake was about the song that she was singing in that scene, which is actually a real ballad/poem from our world, Lucy Gray by William Wordsworth. The Covey have a naming convention where their first first name is from a ballad and their second first name is a color. Lucy Gray’s is the only one who gets both from a ballad.
Anyway, the premise of it is about a girl who gets lost in the woods in a snowstorm, and when her parents go looking for her they follow her footprints to a bridge where the tracks stop halfway across. The ending of the ballad is left a mystery, where some people think she died in the woods, while others think she’s still living out there and you can still hear her singing.
You are not the only one that was conflicted about Snow throughout this film. The Hunger Games truly changed him, forging him into the President Snow we all know him to be in the other Hunger Games films. I was mentally cussing myself out and repeating, “He’s evil! Evil! Don’t root for him! Ahhh!” Love your reaction. Thanks for uploading.
This movie explains why Snow hated Katniss so much. The one thing that made him weak was Lucy Gray, and he lost her. Lucy introduced him to the Mockingjay, which was a symbol of the rebellion and the pin she wore that Snow commented on at one point. Katness knew the hanging tree song which means her family has a history with Lucy Gray and the cubby’s as she was the one who wrote it. She introduces him to the root that you can eat called Katniss.
She was strong and resilient just like Lucy. Everything about Katniss reminded snow of Lucy, the one thing in life that made him weak because she knew his secrets.
But it’s an odd kind of hatred. Snow despised Katniss, but couldn’t bring himself to destroy her like he has so many others in the past. I think it goes back to the feelings he had for Lucy Gray (who Katniss obviously reminds him of). As much as Snow hates Lucy Gray, he did seem to care for her at one time and probably still does in some way.
It’s almost like the feelings you have for someone you used to be close with who wronged you. Part of you hates them for what they did, but part of you still has regard for them you because you remember the good times.
It’s like his hatred for Katniss is too personal for him to actually do something about. In her he sees Lucy Gray and remembers the good times, so he despises her but part of him deep down cares for her (because he spares her when he had every reason and opportunity not to).
I also think that her relationship with Peta made him angry, because he probably spent the rest of his life wondering if his relationship with Lucy was real, or if she just used him to survive. Considering he thought she tried to kill him at the end with the snake. He knew Katnis didnt love peta in the begining and he knew about Gale. I think thats why he dressed Peta up as him in those interviews. He think he sees a lot of himself ( well his love for Lucy) in Peta.
I think Snow thought of Lucy every day of his life. @@terminallumbago6465
The book is incredible. You get to really see in details how the hunger games went from that to what they are now; the tribute parade, the interviews with Flickerman, the betting, the tribute tower, the gifts, the rewards for victors all of it was born out of the 10th games. Also his thought are HILARIOUS. Suzanne Collins' has such a dry humour and because of that Snows' thoughts are absolutely unhinged and will make you cackle because that boy held absolutely NOTHING back😂.
Also i personally think the book isn't necessary better or worse, i think it a great companion piece because in the book you are in his head and you know exactly what he's thinking so you wonder why people arent seeing how trully evil he is from page 1 but the movie shows you what other people see from the outside and how powerful and advantageous his pretty privilege really is.
Also a particular favourite of this book for me is why his hatred for Sejanus is so personal. The snow family wealth is in ammunition and it was all invested in 13. So when 13 was "destroyed", they lost everything. The Plinths got wealthy from ammunitions as well. They sided with the president and it paid off. So Coryo saw the Plinths as the people that took what he believes belongs to him. Hence why he didnt grieve Sejanus' death and had no problem being adopted by the Plinths in everything but name and becoming their heir. He saw it all as getting what rightfully belonged to him. Also you can just IMAGINE how furious he was when he learned that 13 was never actually destroyed and that adds to why he didnt hesitate to bomb it. Its existence probably made his as mad as Katniss herself did.
That line about how “it’s the things we love most that destroy us” also has another meaning, because it’s a girl from District 12, a spitfire and in some ways mirror of Lucy Gray, that ultimately ignites the rebellion that destroyed Snow and brought his empire down. In many ways, the legacy of Lucy Gray brought him down.
Lucy Gray haunted him in more ways than one that’s for sure.
when snow told lucy gray that she said it was too early for katniss shook me. the foreshadow oop
Fun fact: Mags one the 11th Hunger Games, aka the Hunger Games after Lucy Gray.
Someone mentioned that what he truly loved was not Lucy Gray, but power. And that consumed him in the end.
(have yet to watch the rest of the vid) but you at 6:40 already calling it poetic justice that he’s mentoring the girl from 12, and i’m like “oh just you wait there’s some real bangers tying all this together even more” lmao it only gets better!!
I just noticed when snow shoots at Lucy Gray. It looks like the bullet hits the tree. And since there was no blood, it makes me think snow missed and Lucy Gray is still alive.
Plus Lucy Gray would have had to sing to get the birds to pick up the song, and that happened after Snow shot at her.
She’s wearing the rainbow dress not the one she was wearing
54:30 just like how Johanna tells Katniss, "anybody can kill anybody, even the president. You just have to be willing to sacrifice yourself."
What I like in this movie is that almost all the tributes from what would become Career Districts try to escape from the Arena. It's such an interesting contrast to what they would become.
Poor Tigris. It's heavily implied in the books that both she and Lucy Gray sold their bodies to feed their respective cousins (Coryo for Tigris and Maude Ivory for Lucy Gray). To go to that length for a kid and have him turn out to be a dictator? Gotta be rough. At least Maude Ivory is a cutie (and possibly Katniss's grandmother).
I don’t remember any strong implication that Lucy Gray sold her body?
@@JNDReacts She sings a song that says she "lived by her charms" and Snow is jealous. That is when Tigris defends her. Later, back in 12, Lucy Gray denies it but says if it were between "that" and letting Maude Ivory starve, she would do it.
@@emilyk5168 I think in her case lived by her charms meant performing on stage.
Doesn’t Lucy confirm she’s a virgin in the books? I’m pretty sure Snow questions her about that line.
And the best part of that last sentence is that Snow never got to say that on the books. But the screenwriters and director knew the character so well that they created something he totally would do even though he never did
I feel like the reason why Lucy Gray scapes from the cabin is because not only didn't he told her about Sejanus's death, but also because she knew that he didn't trusted her enough to tell her the truth
Rachel Zegler is a huge Hunger Games fan. She inserted the "Katniss bow" at the reaping. It wasn't in the script.
I love the your reaction to their chemistry, "😁💖💖... I dont want this..."
commenting after watching your reaction to the Hunger Games series and this last movie: one thing i'd say about your reactions is that i absolutely appreciate how you deeply try to connect everything, are super intuitive about what's gonna happen, give some thoughts on side storylines and are just taking a lot of time reviewing the movie you just saw. much more interesting than watching people reacting "ohs" and "ahs" and calling it a day. lots of love xx
Since there is no inner dialogue like in the book, the Snow we see in the movie is the persona he shows to the people.
You are not a bad person if you fall for it since he is a charismatic person, thats part of his character.
Actually the first song of Lucy Gray that he hears is the song that Katniss sings to Rue. Lucy Gray sings that song to her cousin in front of Snow in the books.
He could have told her that he felt responsible for Sejanus death and she would have believe her (Tho she was already in doubt because he didn't tell her about the transfer)
He actually didn't want to kill Sejanus, he thought his father would help him out of it. Then he was sad because he thought he was next.
At the end he take the place of Sejanus in his family because Sejanus parents doesn't know what he did to thwir son.
Lucy Gray, in the books, kills Wovey no Dill. Think of Katniss killing Rue accidentally, that's basically what happened to Lucy Gray (She saw her cousin in Wovey)
Snow doesn't do anything if he doesn't win something out of it. Always think about this, every action that he did was to gain something.
Even if it appears as a sefles action, it wasn't. Including with Lucy Gray.
Did he really loved her? Who knows. Did he love the control that he had over her? Definitely.
He wasn't too happy in 12 with her because she had a whole life before knowing him.
He doesn't see Lucy Gray as district because she said she wasn't. He try to convince himself that she was more close to be capitol to not feel bad for being attracted to her.
In the books Reaper died last in the games by being tired and at the end rat poisoning. Since he was the final tribute beside Lucy Gray she tired him out by removers the cloth he put over the fallen tributes. She then put rat poison in the puddle of rain water which Reaper only drank from. He also contracted rabies, so with that and the rat poison he died
Also Dill did not die by the Watwr bottle Lucy Gray put Wovey did.
16:30 well remember the REASON his first thought is her is because if she was dead then he'd already lost his prize
Plus she did just save his life. Iirc he was thinking about that when he woke up in the hospital.
I get you soooo much, I was squealing so much when they were talking before the start of the games, they're just so cute:((
The way Snow had me gaslit for 3/4 of this movie 😭
I love your post reaction commentary. I think your videos have provided some of the most in-depth analysis and understanding of the films & their themes. Some reactors are way off or their observations stay on the surface level. Thanks for another great one!
Before snow took power the districts look like they had some semblance of fun they could have music concerts and they could swim they could wear color. Then snow got into power then he went heavy-handed with his oppression and fenced up the whole place. Heavily, armed, and suited up his peacekeepers.
well if it was that bad imagine if coin took over 😭😭
I love ur reaction sm! It's awesome to see how even though you didn't read the book, you can still see how Snow was never truly a good person (for example not seeing the tributes as human when he introduces betting). Lots of people seem to have missed that lmao. I also related to thinking Lucy Gray and Snow were cute but being like noooooo lmao
the way u edited urself over the clips was so cute ✨✨
Coriolanus is very unhinged in the first few paragraphs of chapter one. His upbringing definitely caused that. He was very conditioned by his father and the society he lived in. Just pay attention to the words Suzanne uses to show us just how unhinged his mind works. He believes in his core that the districts are "district scum" because they took his father away from him. He is the type to hold a grudge. He focuses so hard on something he loses sight of everything else. The movie doesn't show us just how "psychotic" his thoughts are.
I think she crawled away so he wouldn't see her footprints. Then she hid until he gave up.
Im always so confused when people have difficulty hating snow. I just remember what he did to literal children 🧍
I was literally just rewatching your hunger games reactions and i’m so excited to see this! I cant wait to see your reaction to this movie
I watched this in theaters and I loved it!!
I can only imagine how incredible the scenes where Lucy Gray sings with the snakes wrapped around her body and Coryo snapping in the woods were.
You were not alone with being torn about feeling all the things for Snow and Lucy
39:42 While it’s true Snow thought that Sejanus’s father would be able to buy his son’s way out of trouble like usual, Snow wasn’t actually upset about Sejanus being killed. He was upset because of the trouble Sejanus had gotten him into. He never liked nor cared about Sejanus.
Right, even in the beginning scene he tells his classmates that he doesn’t like Sejanes, He just merely tolerates him.
the movie was originally 4 hours long. they removed a whole hour ans a half due to complaints about it being so long. that’s why i think the change feels so sudden cause a lot of it is cut
The guilty feeling was even worse in the book cause it just slooooowly builds up as your reading. Like parts of this are very cute but you know damn well its not ending well for Lucy Gray lol
I watched this at the theater with my son yesterday and I knew it was rabies RIGHT away, it is like my worst nightmare. Bat bite, I was like, “Rabies.” Then when Lucy Gray tries to give him water and he recoils: “Rabies.” Foam at the mouth? RABIES!!!!
Great reaction!!!
The bombing of the arena is interesting. The capital says it was rebels but think about the end of the movie “the world is an arena” which leads me to believe from the book and the movie it was The Capital who bombed them
I just found your channel yesterday and watched all your Hunger Games videos! I’m so glad to see this video today!
43:35 I think Snow made Tigris get that surgery - the stripes, whiskers and bald head we saw in Mockingjay part 2.
Why do you think that?
YASSS JUST FINUSHED WATCHING UR REACTIONS OF THE HUNGER GAMES AND THIS DROPED, SLAY QUEEENNNN
Remember in Mockingjay when they think Katniss is killed during the building explosion in the Capitol and when president Snow finds out she survived he seems relieved almost even though its veiled in real shock; I think it’s kinda paralleled in the way he doesn’t know if Lucy Grey is still alive after he shoots her and I feel like he’s so transported back to his own past remembrances that he feels like he’s hearing about Lucy Grey for a second and he also sees the parallels in their resilience and performance so he gets lost in what he’s seeing plus he’s literally a senile old man with poisoned blood so who knows what he was thinking towards the end. lol maybe none of that makes sense 😅😅 anyway it’s late 😅
Hello there! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! You know what’s in my mind? Lucy Gray is just a character with the Head Game Maker, which means she is part of the show being orchestrated, and Snow is being manipulated to become the successor of the Game Maker. Why? The snake was being fed with the Head Master and it seems to have a connection with Lucy Gray, that is also why of all the Tribune, she’s the only one never had been bitten. ( It was being played for snow to fall in love with the Lucy gray) The friend of Snow was being set up to be killed because he was the only one opposed the Hunger Games calling all them Monsters.The character of snow is just psychologically and mentally unstable to be sane a good guy, rather he has trait as a weak man that shouldn’t had been in power. That’s just my personal analogy on this movie. Aside from that, I loved the hunger games sequel. ❤ Snow was being manipulated by the Head Game Master and Snow would tried to manipulate the game for Lucy Gray to be saved.😊
Hello Michelle and congratulations on your channel!
I apologize right now for my bad English (I write you from Italy). 😅
I agree on everything. I don’t know if you’ve read the book but Coriolanus is a bad boy from the first to the last chapter. He is opportunistic and a liar. He often gives compliments, which he does not really think about, only to make himself likeable in front of other people.
In Italy we say the wolf in sheep’s clothing (I don’t know if you say that too).
He’s not the friendly guy who smiles at his grandmother, he’s the cocky guy who confronts Casca. I find Tom Blyth very good in that scene because he totally changes his expression, as if at that moment Snow had taken off his mask to reveal himself. It almost seems that he wants to say to his enemy "you’re right, you’ve always been right. I’m a fucking as*ho*e like my father". Isn’t he brilliant?
Watching someone react to this prequel for the first time through the movie is much more infuriating than I expected it to be haha. Cuz in the book you get to hear all his nasty little thoughts, which really drives the story, but here you only see the parts he wants you to see.
This movie romanticized both Lucy Gray and Snow, as they were both more ruthless than the movie showed. Lucy Gray just hid it better as she's a performer. Lucy Gray had as much an influence on his transformation as Gaul and Highbottom's hate did. Btw, Lucy's kills were more in the books, as she also killed Reaper by poison when only he and her were left, and it's heavily implied (stated? Can't remember now) that she also poisoned Jessup, which is why he keeps asking her what she did to him.
35:33 that's exactly my reaction to THAT kiss😂😂
I didn't feel guilty for liking them cause I have the memory of a goldfish and the fact that Snow is THAT Snow just blissfully leaves my mind when it's not in flashing letters in front of me
Love your synopsis! I hope our good sis ran away because he was droppin a lot of red flags but that last one was about how many folks he killed 😅, she was like nah
was so scared for her in the cinema. the bloodbath was unnecessary but that shit was so well choreographed and intense.
it's always a good day when you post a reaction
At the end of mackyjay part two were Katnsis and petta are with their kids I believe is the life that Snow and Lucy should have had would have had if he chose a different path and and ran away with Lucy
Literally just watched it and uploading mine asap!
Nice! Keep grinding!
Thanks so much ❤️🤗
BRO I SOBBED when i saw this movie, idc im like dis🤞🏼with snow for life bruh 😭
I really recommend reading the book for this one. As much as I loved the movie, you miss a lot not hearing his internal monologue. You're not the first person to think he's a good guy the whole time and turns crazy at the end, but he is a selfish creep the whole time. Everything he does is entirely for self serving purposes, and his "love" for Lucy Grey is obsessives and manipulative. He is a textbook abusive boyfriend to her
I just started reading the book last night and his internal monologue is a big ol’ yikes. He’s very entitled, judgmental and narcissistic.
Snow made choices from the start that showed his true character. I felt the whole time that snow was just acting the part to get himself ahead. I think he did like Lucy Grey but did not love her for who she was in all. Especially when he believed that shed betray him. Snow would rather be somebody in the Capitol any chance he got.
i loved this Movie so much
can't wait for it to come out as a DVD to watch it again
18:29 tbh no i just liked them😂they are so cute together i hoped the whole time it would end well even though i knew it didn't😭
Awesome reaction of my favorite The Hunger Games movie!!!!😊😊😊😊
Great insight into Snow but without seeing your unedited reaction U am not sure if you realized that Snow poisoned the Dean Snow' s 1st direct posion victim 😢
(sorry in advance for the long comment i just love this book lol) smth i love about the book that doesn’t come across as much in the movie is that every single thing coriolanus does to help lucy gray is really just for his own benefit and to bolster his own image. yes he wants her to win, he wants her to trust him but ONLY rlly because he needs the money from the prize. throughout the book we read that he’s never capable of seeing her as her own respectable perosn unless he’s thinking of her as Capitol rather than District, and he only likes her acting out when it’s smth /he/ told her to do. he just wants control over her, but because of her perspective all she really sees until the end (when he slips up and says he’s actually killed more) is that he’s helping her, she can’t see in his head that it’s for only his own benefit. in my personal opinion i think lucy gray loved snow, but i think snow only convinced himself that he loved lucy gray, not that he actually did. he sees people from the district as savage animals pretty much, and he only likes lucy gray because he’s able to see a bit of Capitol in her. and the heartbreaking thing is, he had SO many chances!! so many chances to be better, chances from lucy gray, from sejanus, from tigris!!! tigris especially really gets to me because we see her adoring him to the moon and back in the beginning of this but thinking back to mockingjay, she’s helping rebels and smiling when katniss says she’s there to kill snow. ahh and the parallels to the original trilogy are just fantastic. and rachel zegler was INCREDIBLE as lucy gray she really understands her as a character and it comes across so well (not to mention her incredible singing)
edit: omg i forgot!!! in the book we also get a whole thing w clemensia!!! after she gets bit by the snake she doesn’t just disappear entirely, we actually see her a few more times w the effects of what happens and shes SO interesting to me
I watched the movie recently and it was a great adaptation, I mean it wasn’t perfect but it definitely lived up to the level of a hunger games movie! The acting was phenomenal, Rachel Zegler and Tom Blyth outdid themselves!! The costumes, songs and set were amazing too, it also seemed nostalgic, I felt like I was back when The hunger games movies came out 🫶🏻 HOWEVER, there were some negatives, the most obvious one is that the movie couldn’t show the viewers Snow’s inner monologue, which I get it they couldn’t in that sense, but they also changed a few details in the movie that gave Snow credit for things that weren’t his ideas and if adapted exactly how they happened in the book they would’ve given the viewers so much insight on some characters especially Snow’s character and what he actually thinks and the fact that he is opportunistic, it was actually a missed opportunity and I don’t know why they changed those details, but overall it was a great movie and I will definitely watch it again!!
Here are some things that they changed from the book:
- Lucy and the tunnels of the arena (She got the idea on her own, Snow didn’t go before a day and see the tunnels and tell her to go there)
- Sejanus and the feeding of the tributes (Sejanus actually got the idea on his own too, he went to the zoo with a bag full of sandwiches to feed the tributes)
- Arachne’s death and how Snow reacted (He kept looking at the scene and didn’t move until Lucy told him to, and he looked at the cameras first and then went to Arachne- he just cared that the cameras were recording)
- Snow and the handkerchief with the snakes (he thinks it’s possible that they will put the snakes in the arena and he says “his hand slipped” when putting the handkerchief in the tank in the elevator, he was before that in Dr Gail’s office and he noticed the whole thing by coincidence)
- Clemensia and Snow scene (they didn’t know what was going to happen when they put their hands in the tank and Clemesnsia returns later in the movie and has a few scenes that were important in my opinion)
- When they were in the cabin (in the book she doesn’t say his thoughts, however she vocalizes his thoughts in the movie but really it does not go with her character to say that she’s the last loose end)
- He already decided that he wanted to kill her before he exits the cabin and not when he enters the woods and gets bitten by a snake.
- They never mentioned the deleting of the 10th hunger games (no more evidence, Dr Gaul deleted everything and there was a whole paragraph that snow though that should’ve been included, it’s about how everyone will forget Lucy)
- The ending of the games did not happen (the “get her out” yelling and him caring about her being out of the games, there was no chanting, he was not fighting for her in that moment)
When I tell you I clicked on this IMMEDIATELY
OMG i cant wait to watch this
Wooow you got this so quick!
Since the beginning when I watched the movie, I was rooting for Coriolanus and Lucy Gray, knowing very well that it doesn’t last and how much he changed and what he becomes later on. I really loved the relationship of Coriolanus and Lucy Gray and how it develops. I just thought it was so so cute and wished it could’ve ended differently. They could’ve been very happy together but Snow ruined it because he was more focused on his personal agenda and wanting to return to his life of luxury in the Capitol instead of being with her. I really wanted them to be endgame knowing very well they would never be. 🥺 I do believe that he developed real feelings for her and did fall in love with her while he was her mentor and that’s why he cheated for her to win, while also becoming desperate for Lucy Gray to win so he can win the Plinth Prize. I do think Coriolanus was a good person in the beginning but in a way, the Hunger Games changed him and even more so when he went to District 12 to be with Lucy Gray. At the time I watched the movie, I was also reading the book, and I really liked how accurate it was to the book, with some things different after finishing the book. It was just really incredible and most of the script was word for word from the book which I loved too. What’s really cool about all the scenes of Rachel singing is she’s actually singing and playing the guitar live, which is really impressive. She insisted on singing live instead of lip syncing. For the ending, I think Lucy Gray did survive and ran away far from 12. I feel like she could’ve fled to District 13. It would’ve be the safest place for her with the mayor believing that she killed his daughter and the Peacekeepers looking for her everywhere. Everyone believed that District 13 was destroyed when it was obliterated by the Capitol so no one would think of her going there. I also think Snow could’ve been hallucinating when he shot her and believed he killed her which is why he looked sad after realizing what he thought he did because he still loves her and was hurt by her betrayal and leaving him because of his dishonesty towards her. Even though he’s the one to blame for why Lucy Gray left him.
I watched your other Hunger Games reactions and they were so entertaining to watch and one of the best. I was patiently waiting to see if you would react to TBOSAS because I really wanted to know what you thought especially on Coriolanus and Lucy Gray and once again, your reaction didn’t disappoint. 😁
I love this review. I suggest you listen to the soundtrack for this movie as well. Rachel Zegler does sing all the songs, and they're really great.
And all the songs are full of references, straight to or not, to the history.
The book is really amazing, my second favorite, CFire is still the best.
Guilty no I was obsessed with them
Oh I’ve been waiting for this one 😂😂😂
I don't get why nobody in the comments brings this up - Lucy is not entirely innocent in everything. She's manipulative as well in this and in the book. It's just harder to notice because you know who Snow is and what kind of person he is, so you pay more attention to that information.
She was bit manipulative as survival tactic, but just like Sejanus both of them are described from Snow's pov and he is unrealiable narrator, he's also paranoid and does everything what benefits him so it's best not to trust anything he says/does.
To me watching this movie, I wasn’t conflited at all. I didn’t like snow in the hunger games and I have read the TBOSAS book (the movie/book title in short) and once I read his inner momologue, I instantly didn’t like him. The way he thinks of things is pretty morbid to say the least. 😅 I also like the way they casted young snow to be attractive, so that people can be somewhat conflited. To root for him and to somehow like him. Its sad to see that Sejanus and Lucy Gray were involved with him, because they both would've done great things (rebellion wise) Their one mistake? Trusting Snow. In the book it foreshadows a lot of things that Snow will do in the future, who he will meet, and what he will have to deal with going forward. I like this book more than the trilogy. It was well-written to me personally. And I believe the director(s) did this book justice in the movie.
Imagine if Lucy Gray turned bad, she and Snow would become a powerful, evil couple at the Capitol.
That would be very interesting
"Almost simping" mam, I was simping since the day the book came out and I ran to the bookstore and read it in 2 days 😂 There is one thing i like more than romance and it's a painful romance and super flawed characters with darkness in them
Nah the movie was so good, it captured the book so well and tied perfectly with the rest, at least to me.
I love watching your reactions, you seem to care so much about what you're watching, always have amazing insights 💫
Omg im early lmao i love tour videos so much your so fun😋❤
Love ur reaction
33:05 More like why does she look like a little Prim?
I haven't read the books yet so forgive me lol but the "rainbow of destruction" is really sticking with me because I know about how full colors or the lack of color is used as a tool of oppression by govts so her saying a rainbow here is very interesting. I do know a rainbow shows up over the statue at the end which is a nod back to Lucy Gray's dress at the reaping so maybe the rainbow of destruction wording was only pointing to that instead, I'm not sure
13:54 you treat someone like an animal you’ll get an animal
Watched this in theaters had to watch with you tho watched the first series