I’m giving away this lithium battery!! Every $5 on DirtMerch gets 1 entry to win this battery. Follow on instagram for more details DirtGear store- dirtgeartv.creator-spring.com
Great video! I just got the exact same bike exact same year. I got a lithium batery, cleaned and lubed the bone dry starter and it worked great. About 25 times now it's back to it's sad old self. Time to upgrade.
Thanks for posting! I got the 410 watt starter motor and the lithium battery as you suggested for my 2015 KTM 300 xc-w and now I just touch the starter button for a second and it fires instantly! The stock starter motor is weak and a lead acid battery is junk.
If you’re overhauling the system, it’s worth replacing the OEM bendix and crown-bear bushes with bronze ones - the OEM bushes are a real weak point. You can get them on eBay or from XRC in NZ.
DcChoc Some have had issues with the replacement lazer welded bendix’s breaking at weld, myself included. Not saying shouldn’t do it, I just prefer the stock. Totally agree about the bushings 👍
If you ever have to replace the bendix, Be sure to upgrade to the 2016 model. You also have to replace the crown gear to the 2016 as well. But it is a 'must have' improvement because the gear reduction has been improved and provides almost 20% more torque to turn the motor over Much Better!!
@@mr.workhardplayhard6550 Hi, Because you have a 2015, you already have the 410 watt motor AND the upgraded bendix ratio gears. The brushes in the motor are usually what goes bad first. IF you have the experience/knowledge You can disassemble the starter motor and replace the brushes. Brushes are @$10 from Jeff Slaven's, PN KT55140002144. IF you decide to replace the whole starter... I have been quite happy with the Neutron Motor from RMATV for ONLY $44.99... There is Nothing special about the KTM Starter motor!! No reason to pay $300-$400 for a simple electrical motor. ( The 2016 bendix is laser welded, but I would not replace your 2015 bendix unless it has failed. ) Of Course.. Make Sure the problem is Not Just a weak Battery. Take Care 314.614.4601
Mr. Work Hard Play Hard I’ve done every claimed “fix” you hear about on the internet for all years except (2018+) and unfortunately they don’t work. If the bendix worked than why is everyone with the newer bendix having the same (or more) failures as everyone else? Your very first upgrade should be lithium batt, and making sure you have great grounding connections, problem solved.
@@crazybob1954mo Appreciate the response from the both of you....I have cleaned everything and done the wet mod by Jeff Slavens and do i have quality lithium battery that I keep at full charge when needed. I may look into replacing the motor brushes in the starter next since I already have the upgraded parts....I thought they upgraded after 2015.
I have an Husqvarna te 250 2014. Can i buy a 410 w starter like the one in the video? obviously if it is possible I will buy the 250s size and not 300 like yours.
THANKS FOR SHARING ! i'm having issues w/my e-starter (ktm exc350f 2013) and new starting engine is about 250€ here in Spain , aftermarkey 160€ via my usual garage service. After watching your vid i'm considering ordering the 410w i've listed on Amazon too. gracias
I changed starte with 410w version but it doesn't start when the bike is cold. It works only when bike is at good temperature. Do you think they sold me a 350 w instead of a 410w?
@@DirtGearTv It has the cutout band but non the piece ( high, in the left of the starter) the brand is arrowhead and in the site they say 410w! Today I try to do a start cold with the electric starter and only first time it works, the other tried went bad. At this point I believe that is the battery...what do you think? Thanks
@@peppescrofani8814 I wouldn’t be concerned about cold starts. If it gets the bike started on a trail where it’s hard to kick then that’s all it needs to do. Tons of people have had problems including me with these starters. I don’t expect too much from mine. As long as it helps me while the battery is hot and the bike is warmed up, I’m good.
@@nepicness when the bike is hot sometimes it works and other time doesn't. For example usually before the bike start with the electric starter I have to push the button 2/3 times and wait
@@peppescrofani8814 eh, it takes all the pieces to make these work, clean connections, hot and strong battery, working bendix, fresh bushings, proper jetting for easy starting. Mine works 50% of the time off road and most of the time I use it as a kick assist. Makes the kick just a hair easier. I just replaced my starter motor and bendix bushings an hour ago and it didn’t want to start up cold. I have the 2013 flywheel and bendix, not the new one and I have a shorai lithium battery.
hi pal quick question i followed your video new battery, relay, stater motor and starter button when the motor wasn't seated in the case it was spinning on the button soon as its bolted in its not spinning just getting the relay click i was wondering if the negative was bad on the two bolts holding the starter in place and it somehow must have been touching frame or somthing before
How could the motor spin if it was not in the case? The frame is what grounds it. As for the motor bolts, they are not going to be the faulty ground. I recommend you upgrade to a larger diameter, short ground, directly off the battery to the frame. You can use jumper cables once motor is bolted in place to run power direct to the motor. If it starts easy with jumper cables and not when using the starter button than likely poor grounding from battery to frame of bike 👍
With lithium it’s always good idea to have a lithium charger handy. The stator keeps it in a good voltage range if already changed but it won’t revive a dead or low lithium battery I’ve noticed
I have replaced the Bendix, crown wheel, shimmed correctly, installed brass bushes, 410w starter and a brand new lithium battery and my ktm still refuses to start what could be the cause of this I’ve spent over 500$ on it and I’m pretty much done help plz
UH Dirtgear Dud... You should have done some research Before you made a video to fix starter issues for KTM... KTM upgraded from the 350 watt to the 410 watt starter motor beginning with the 2013 model year for the 250/300 2 stroke. SO.... you 2013 and newer guys Already have the 410 motor!!! In 2015 KTM changed the gear ratio for the crown gear and bendix gear. This improved gear ratio gives @ 20% more torque to turn the motor Much more consistently.
Bob Duvall I didn’t do any research actually, I’ve been riding ktm for years. The “improvements” ktm has made still leave many people stranded. The newer bendix ktm uses breaks at the laser weld and worse than previous years, as well as the newer starters.
@@DirtGearTv The newer 2016 bendix does not have issues breaking at the weld. The increased torque provided by the improved gear ratio DOES help with starting the Pre- 2017 KTMs. Apparently I have offended you... AS you YOU seem to THINK YOU know what bikes I have and Have not ridden.... Too Bad.. LOL
KTM just underdesigned their estart system. Perhaps partly to keep weight down? I'm going to properly weld the bendix gear to the shaft on mine like the factory should have done in the first place . I have machine shop equipment and know I can improve the bendix reliability way over what the factory should have done in the first place.
I’m giving away this lithium battery!! Every $5 on DirtMerch gets 1 entry to win this battery. Follow on instagram for more details DirtGear store- dirtgeartv.creator-spring.com
Great video! I just got the exact same bike exact same year. I got a lithium batery, cleaned and lubed the bone dry starter and it worked great. About 25 times now it's back to it's sad old self. Time to upgrade.
Thanks for posting! I got the 410 watt starter motor and the lithium battery as you suggested for my 2015 KTM 300 xc-w and now I just touch the starter button for a second and it fires instantly! The stock starter motor is weak and a lead acid battery is junk.
Todd Aldridge Awesome, glad it helped!
If you’re overhauling the system, it’s worth replacing the OEM bendix and crown-bear bushes with bronze ones - the OEM bushes are a real weak point. You can get them on eBay or from XRC in NZ.
DcChoc Some have had issues with the replacement lazer welded bendix’s breaking at weld, myself included. Not saying shouldn’t do it, I just prefer the stock. Totally agree about the bushings 👍
Smoke the selenoid relay this way?? What will we do?
Very complete advice, thanks ! My 09 xcw has same problems, going to start with an new battery. Any recommendations on new battery ?
Get the one I say in the video!
If you ever have to replace the bendix, Be sure to upgrade to the 2016 model. You also have to replace the crown gear to the 2016 as well. But it is a 'must have' improvement because the gear reduction has been improved and provides almost 20% more torque to turn the motor over Much Better!!
I have a 2015 250xc and the starter has become weak.....should I upgrade the starter to the 410 or upgrade the bendix and crown to the 2016??
@@mr.workhardplayhard6550 Hi, Because you have a 2015, you already have the 410 watt motor AND the upgraded bendix ratio gears. The brushes in the motor are usually what goes bad first. IF you have the experience/knowledge You can disassemble the starter motor and replace the brushes.
Brushes are @$10 from Jeff Slaven's, PN KT55140002144. IF you decide to replace the whole starter... I have been quite happy with the Neutron Motor from RMATV for ONLY $44.99... There is Nothing special about the KTM Starter motor!! No reason to pay $300-$400 for a simple electrical motor. ( The 2016 bendix is laser welded, but I would not replace your 2015 bendix unless it has failed. ) Of Course.. Make Sure the problem is Not Just a weak Battery. Take Care 314.614.4601
Mr. Work Hard Play Hard I’ve done every claimed “fix” you hear about on the internet for all years except (2018+) and unfortunately they don’t work. If the bendix worked than why is everyone with the newer bendix having the same (or more) failures as everyone else? Your very first upgrade should be lithium batt, and making sure you have great grounding connections, problem solved.
@@crazybob1954mo Appreciate the response from the both of you....I have cleaned everything and done the wet mod by Jeff Slavens and do i have quality lithium battery that I keep at full charge when needed. I may look into replacing the motor brushes in the starter next since I already have the upgraded parts....I thought they upgraded after 2015.
@@mr.workhardplayhard6550 My fix's worked for me.
Hey! May be a dumb question but I imagine these parts will be good for a 250 as well?
They make the RK tek heads for the 250s as well, They are a different size on the 250s
Cant find stock of the battery described, is there a different make with the same cca that you or others can recommend ? Thanks
I have an Husqvarna te 250 2014. Can i buy a 410 w starter like the one in the video? obviously if it is possible I will buy the 250s size and not 300 like yours.
Definitely replace the cheap OEM bushings with bronze items.
Will the bike's standard charging system not mess up this lithium battery, and will it ever charge at all while riding?
A good lithium battery, I like Antigravity, will have built in bms so your bike will charge it without issue while running
@@DirtGearTv thanks mate
THANKS FOR SHARING ! i'm having issues w/my e-starter (ktm exc350f 2013) and new starting engine is about 250€ here in Spain , aftermarkey 160€ via my usual garage service. After watching your vid i'm considering ordering the 410w i've listed on Amazon too. gracias
UH, You have a totally different starter system!!! This 410 watt motor will Not work on your 350 EXC Four Stroke....>;)
Is that starter still holding up?
Adrian Serna It is! With a good charge on the batt it cranks right up, no failures since I made these changes
I only use the starter when the engine is warm.
Awesome helpful video! Great job!
I changed starte with 410w version but it doesn't start when the bike is cold. It works only when bike is at good temperature. Do you think they sold me a 350 w instead of a 410w?
Does it have the features I mention in the video? Also the lithium battery makes a huge difference.
@@DirtGearTv It has the cutout band but non the piece ( high, in the left of the starter) the brand is arrowhead and in the site they say 410w! Today I try to do a start cold with the electric starter and only first time it works, the other tried went bad. At this point I believe that is the battery...what do you think? Thanks
@@peppescrofani8814 I wouldn’t be concerned about cold starts. If it gets the bike started on a trail where it’s hard to kick then that’s all it needs to do. Tons of people have had problems including me with these starters. I don’t expect too much from mine. As long as it helps me while the battery is hot and the bike is warmed up, I’m good.
@@nepicness when the bike is hot sometimes it works and other time doesn't. For example usually before the bike start with the electric starter I have to push the button 2/3 times and wait
@@peppescrofani8814 eh, it takes all the pieces to make these work, clean connections, hot and strong battery, working bendix, fresh bushings, proper jetting for easy starting. Mine works 50% of the time off road and most of the time I use it as a kick assist. Makes the kick just a hair easier.
I just replaced my starter motor and bendix bushings an hour ago and it didn’t want to start up cold. I have the 2013 flywheel and bendix, not the new one and I have a shorai lithium battery.
hi pal quick question i followed your video new battery, relay, stater motor and starter button when the motor wasn't seated in the case it was spinning on the button soon as its bolted in its not spinning just getting the relay click i was wondering if the negative was bad on the two bolts holding the starter in place and it somehow must have been touching frame or somthing before
How could the motor spin if it was not in the case? The frame is what grounds it. As for the motor bolts, they are not going to be the faulty ground. I recommend you upgrade to a larger diameter, short ground, directly off the battery to the frame. You can use jumper cables once motor is bolted in place to run power direct to the motor. If it starts easy with jumper cables and not when using the starter button than likely poor grounding from battery to frame of bike 👍
Why the charger? Doesn’t the stator charge the battery?
With lithium it’s always good idea to have a lithium charger handy. The stator keeps it in a good voltage range if already changed but it won’t revive a dead or low lithium battery I’ve noticed
I have replaced the Bendix, crown wheel, shimmed correctly, installed brass bushes, 410w starter and a brand new lithium battery and my ktm still refuses to start what could be the cause of this I’ve spent over 500$ on it and I’m pretty much done help plz
did you ever find out the problem? im in the same boat as you
Check your ground@@hawaii5-ohh202
I'll tell you how. Buy a knew bike, they worl flawlessly
Great video , thanx !
Hy, wath batery is?
Its the Firepower 490-2501 Make sure you get this exact model number, its the higher cranking amps
GREAT VIDEO ..THANKS FOR THE HELP!!1
That starter motor must be a Chinese one the 410w from Kim are $350-$400
Well the cost went up quite a bit. $200.00 for the arrowhead starter and $110.00 for the battery.
Pandemic robbery😂 I yiu coulda got them $80 a piece
It's 2023 almost 2024 now, they are even more expensive now $236 for the starter and $150 for the battery, Biden's inflation
UH Dirtgear Dud... You should have done some research Before you made a video to fix starter issues for KTM...
KTM upgraded from the 350 watt to the 410 watt starter motor beginning with the 2013 model year for the 250/300 2 stroke.
SO.... you 2013 and newer guys Already have the 410 motor!!!
In 2015 KTM changed the gear ratio for the crown gear and bendix gear. This improved gear ratio gives @ 20% more torque to turn the motor Much more consistently.
Bob Duvall I didn’t do any research actually, I’ve been riding ktm for years. The “improvements” ktm has made still leave many people stranded. The newer bendix ktm uses breaks at the laser weld and worse than previous years, as well as the newer starters.
@@DirtGearTv The newer 2016 bendix does not have issues breaking at the weld. The increased torque provided by the improved gear ratio DOES help with starting the Pre- 2017 KTMs. Apparently I have offended you... AS you YOU seem to THINK YOU know what bikes I have and Have not ridden.... Too Bad.. LOL
Bob Duvall I’ve broken the 16+ bendix myself as have many others, glad you haven’t.
Hi, I need some help, I read about the models u have a 2014 model does it have the 410w in for sure?
KTM just underdesigned their estart system. Perhaps partly to keep weight down?
I'm going to properly weld the bendix gear to the shaft on mine like the factory should have done in the first place . I have machine shop equipment and know I can improve the bendix reliability way over what the factory should have done in the first place.