DMP #18 - Damo Mitchell - Jing, Cultivation & Subtle Anatomy
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- Damo in a lengthy talk on the subject of Jing (Yuan Qi) in Chinese medicine and inner cultivation. Over the course of nearly two hours, he discusses the difference between medicine and cultivation as well as the difference between gross and subtle bodily mechanisms. The final section of the talk concerns the things a practitioner should do to assist in cultivating the body Jing.
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It is actually astonishing how much good information is given away here for free! Not many ppl on the planet do this. Thank you.
Video on jing in women would be great! And/or on cultivation in general for female practitioners. Thank you!
Sure thing. I guess I just don’t know how many women are actually listening to TH-cam as the stats on this channel put it at about 3-4 women ever! 😂
Another vote here 🙏🏼
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yup, is there any info on women and jing. ,my guess is that male Jing is mostly Yang female Jing must be Ying, ? would be nice to learn more about it
Another woman vote here 🌞
Here's one vote for the long form discourse; i appreciate having long videos to listen to. Thanks for the lecture!
Another vote too.
Love these talks (as well as the academy classes!).
Agreed! Thanks Damo
Thx 🙏
Spend all the Saturday noon and evening listening to this, more than 3 times. Many many things to unpack between the lines. Great teacher 🤍
“…settle mind, emotions, thoughts into the body….this is the way to rest. …and be free from the mental construct.”
Thank you for this pearl.
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I like how a lot of this keeps coming back to just being normal. But we need to hear this as we're coming out of the age of excesses.
Thank you, you helped me, it seems that I know it all, but sometimes some things are better to hear more than once. Thank you for being so cultured, and you can share, miracle, a kind person! 🙏❤️🌈
I very much enjoy your long form, free-flow soliloquies on any topic that you find invigorating. As I have listened to most of your content to date, I find these discussions enormously inspiring, rather than simply vectors for information transfer 🙏
Thanks Damo, helps me a lot, confirms what I felt and need to keep on the right path. Keep doing what you do, it is priceless
On the materialistic vs spiritual explanations of this stuff... there are a ton of new ideas coming outside of mainstream science that helps to explain this stuff, but requires a paradigm shift in how we see the world. I've been a science/materialistic geek my whole life but learning about Gerald Pollack's work with 4th phase or biological water, Michael Levin's work with bio-electricity, the whole "Electric Universe" astronomy/cosmology... and my own practice with yoga and working with the fascia, meditation, these inner alchemy ideas... I'm rambling now but really I think things will start to make a lot more sense to a lot more people.
Thanks Damo for the work you do. It's been a huge help for me.
Thanks for the input. Yes, western science becoming very interesting in this field. But I am too thick for all that which is why I stay away from it! It all gives me a headache 😂
@@LotusNeiGong Sorry for the wall of text but I'll try to explain it if I can:
For 4th phase water, they showed with experiments that water can exist in this "4th phase" between liquid water and ice, and we find it in living cells. You might hear it called "structured" water but I think that term has been taken up by a bunch of scams, fake products.
The basic idea is that this water is electrical, like it has a negative charge. The insides of our veins and arteries are surrounded by it. And our blood cells are positively charged so they kinda just float through on a layer of electro-magnetism like a bullet train. One theory is that this electro-magnetic force is what actually pushes the red blood cells single file, one at a time through the narrow capillaries, and that this force is what generates blood flow, not the heart acting as a pump.
I think ideas like this create a bridge between a lot of these materialist vs spiritualist conflicts, if that makes sense... Thanks again Damo.
I really enjoy longer videos thank you. And very much looking forward to the jing in women video
I have three of Damos books and I also used to think he was a bit wordy, than for years when I would have a problem or find something difficult I would go back and re read some part of one of his books that I originally had found too verbose. I just wasn't far enough in my own practice to understand how useful the extra information was. I may never have figured out how to progress past some of these hurdles without the help of these books. I am very grateful he takes the time to explain things so thoroughly and in such great detail because there really isn't, at least as far as I know, anywhere else to find this quality of information printed in English.
Hi, Can you please talk about women and Jing. I love your podcast! Thank you so muck!
Thanks as always, Damo :)
this was a fantastic talk thanks. your point about existing 'outside of the body' is a vital one. so simple yet hard to do. Gurdjieff would call this form of being identification, when we are identified with a thought, a feeling or a plan as you say. according to Gurdjieff one of the biggest losses of energy was via identification. looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge
Great talk. You answered several questions I've had.
Another great talk D!
love the words, thanks!
As a woman, I would love for you to do a video for women please🙏🏾 I love listening to your long explanations.
Also...regarding frequency of sex. We've been programmed into thinking that sex needs to e frequent and actually it's not in line with the moon rythmns of women. Women don't feel like sex all the time...theres a natural 'clock' that tunes us to feel like sex which is mostly ( not always) during ovulation time ..which ofcourse is procreation time. But for me it's just more tuning up with the person you're with in a realistic way.
Thanks for going into these conversations....so needed. 🙏🏾
Thanks so much for your help, Damo, really appreciate it and love listening to you chat chat chat away....😂
have read the complaints about your verbosity on dao bums, disagree, definitely appreciate the level of nuance you give this stuff :)
Ah, people on that forum complain about everything 😂
Thanks, Damo.
Thankyou Damo!
Your the best ❤❤❤
Inspiring. Thanks 👍
Thanks! I really appreciate you making these talks available. Some of your comments on meditation reminded me of Zen practice. I was wondering if you had any ideas, and could comment on the influence of Daoist practices on the development of Chan/Zen. I think that would be interesting.
I’m not really a historian I am afraid. I’m not so hot on all that but Chan feels like it has a ton of Daoism in it to me!
Great talk!! 🔥🔥🔥
BOOOOMM!!! 💥
I do like the Bugs Bunny shorts.
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Soo-what I have experienced is that our subtle body contracts due to life's circumstances and these practices allows the body to open and the subtle body to 'fill out the form"--once the subtle body 'fills' the physical body then you have a body that is functioning at a greater level-???
Interesting :)
Ah this was helpful, thanks for the chat!
I wonder about if applying the method in the secret of the golden flower would get one a dantian if all the causes and conditions are right?
1:26:32 how do I make this work?
Great talk thanks, though I'm not sure you should say 'been through the ringer' with regards to sexual practices ! 😁
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Thanks Damo. I have generally weak kidneys and had been been practicing building the dantien to corect this weakness. What I had learned is that you push down with the diaphragm, up with the perineum and contract the sides in which is supposed to 'thicken' the chi, all this is done via subtle intent not muscularly.
I had to stop doing this because I started to feel like my breathing became laboured and I felt an intense sensation of abdominal constriction. I still feel it to this day 3 years later. I dont know if this occurred by incorrect practice or I was simply not at a baseline level of normal health to begin with.
What you said Damo about the dantien compressing in makes sense to me in that I might be feeling this subtle level of compression that occurs, as opposed to physiological, when building the dantien. Is it possible that i've partly built the dantien and feeling this subtle compression because the the magnetic fields compressing inwards toards the body are not being opposed by 'thickened chi' and said chi was not able to thicken due to weakness in my kidneys or mingmen?
To be certain it feels like my two sides of the ribcage are encroaching on each other and feels like my head/cranium is being torqued at times...
Damo great podcast definitely one I will have to watch again appreciate these talks.
Sorry you still feeling this discomfort. I don’t advocate pulling up of perineum or contrived diaphragm movements actually. You are correct in that the mechanism should rely on the subtle and not the purely physiological. Start subtle and it will thicken over time without taxing your body or crushing your guts!
Kidney strength helps for sure as well so switch to subtle and boost those kidneys and you should be golden! 😁
@@LotusNeiGong Thanks Damo, the weakness to my kidneys is I believe hereditary as I have weak teeth, enamel weakening disorder, so weak bones I suspect although I don't suffer from any known bone diseases. However I am aware that weak teeth is to do with the bones and weak bones means weak kidneys.
To be honest the effects of my standing and neidan has been overal negative I mean if I had known what was going to happen I wouldn't have pursued it, its really been that bad lol but I'd always had a fascination with health and health improvement without resorting to synthetic and un-natural products so I went for it and ignored potential adverse affects.
When I said pull up the perineum I meant the perineam diaphragm and pelvic diaphragm but try to be as gentle as possible. I can only do it subtly now not with any exertion as my breathing and guts are so constricted that its not possible to use any exertion.
It feels like my floating ribcage has been sucked up and not 'fanning out through the back' - if that makes sense; and also contracted in a 3D like manner. And I know for a fact that when constructing the dantien the ribcage should be expanded and wide as possible in 3D fashion. It's like the internal pressure I was building up had just abruptly diminished. It's quite a depressing but profoundly unexpected change.
I am just wondering if the neidan herbs you mention, thats not dispensed by any regular TCM doctor, may be able to alleviate the symptoms I'm having or possibly reverse any mal-practice on my part?
Okay, sounds more like you need to find a good Chinese medical practitioner and work with them first to help firm up the Kidney Qi before anything else. This would be your first port of call if I were you :) only after that, should you worry about seeking out a Neigong or Neidan teacher. You will need direct in-person tuition to ensure that you progress safely as well :) check out a few medical practitioners in your area and don’t just settle on the first one you find! :) good luck with it
@@LotusNeiGong Thanks for the advice Damo. Oh how I wish you were back living in the UK!
I recommend meditating on your kidneys and mid back region where you feel the issue. Gently draw your energy into this kidneys. Try it for a couple days and see how you feel.
Training the dan tien while having organ deficiencies isn't the best since you're starving those organs in favour of the dan tien.
Eating pork is also very good for the kidneys.
ive got those same bugs bunny shorts theyre for my night out on the beach
Inside/outside body is mental construct. So how can you get inside the body without thinking??
Stop thinking, become totally calm, without wanting and raise your awareness while looking inside. :)
You actually can't get inside your body if you are thinking...
Perhaps neuroception as described by Dr. Stephen Porges would help explain.
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Why do you think access to the subtle anatomy doesn't happen naturally like access to the physical anatomy does? Is it the way we live our modern lives that makes the consolidation of the Dan Tian so illusive or has it always been this way?
I reckon both Damo and Adam said in their talk that nothing is natural in these arts.
What can i say..... fucking fantastic talk. Thank you
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"I'll describe Jing for women later in the video."
1 hour in: if you want to learn more about jing for women youll have to ask for it.
Yeah sorry, the video got too long!
With regards to limiting sexual activity / not consuming porn, what if you're not in a relationship? Would celibacy in the meantime be a wise course of action?
I'd say yes ifx you have worked through any trauma (known or unknown) and can sublimate and handle the energy. Then celibacy is always the best option. Just my opinion. I don't think it's for everyone.
They want shorter videos because they can't maintain concentration ahhab
The latter half was Pure Dynamite 🧨 Give thanks ❤
Great talk and VERY HELPFUL !!! Thank you Damo !! Love these podcasts !!!
This was wonderful! Thanks you so, so much for recording this ! I learned a great deal! Bless you!
It is rare to be able to receive such detailed information on such an important topic. Thank you Damo. Yes please, if possible, do make a summary/cheat sheet if possible. I find it difficult to keep all that info in memory. Just a summary of the main points, at the beginning and at the end perhaps
I love these podcasts! So much good information 🌟
what about intense/competitive video games?
I have multiple cysts in one of my kidneys and am getting screened for cancer :( In the event my kidney has to be removed how will this affect my jing? Also is it even worth practicing the internal arts if my kidney function will continue to decline?
Sorry to hear this. I hope you get through this period okay 🙏
Kidney organ and Kidney Jing not quite the same. I mean, we even use the term not quite correctly as I said in the video as really, it’s Yuan Qi that they are referring to in Chinese medicine.
Body’s are resilient and if you do have to have a kidney removed, you will be fine, the body will compensate and Qigong practice will help you to rebalance.
Good luck 🙏
@@LotusNeiGong I appreciate your kind reply 🙏 Okay. Good to know that it doesn't literally refer to the organ itself.
Thank you for your sharing 🙏
Is chi kung / meditation cultivation the only way to build your light body ? Or are there other methods ? Nice video btw
There are other methods for sure. Though meditation is bound to be a part of all of the methods I would assume.
Thank you for this!!!
Nice work.
Thank you Damo! Very helpful :)
Great talk, thank you for sharing. 🙏🏼
Great video. I like the lengthy discussions.👍
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Greetings, and thanks for sharing. How about some basic exercises to establish a solid foundation for those who can't reach (at least for now) your direct teachings? Thanks again.
He has a playlist on his TH-cam channel called "Foundations of Qi Gong Practice" that has some great free beginner content. You can also search for Ji Ben Qigong on his channel to find a handful of standing exercises.
@@parkervisualsTO Thank you, my friend.. I'm actually aware of it. What I'm asking for is kind of system: my problem is that I can't find direct instruction where I'm, and became a bit scary on the path after some energetic accidents. Then, sticking to basics for some time fatally leads you to hitting the plateau... If one could find some trusty direction on the foundational phases so as to get a solid and complete foundation, I guess he could take some calculated risks with advanced practices. As for now... 🙂
Damo--I am fascinated with cultivation but humbly request a suggestion on where to get started in terms of finding live instruction in the US.
Are there any practices you would recommend to absorb into the body? Is simply placing attention inside the body sufficient? Provided that it is the body and not a concept of the body of course!
Really good video. I ve been practicing Ba Gua Qi Gong for over 10 years. It is a very efficient method.
dont give a toss about what other people say, Damo.
Hi Damo, what's your opinion on weightlifting for taichi practitioners? I believe Cheng Man-ch'ing advised against it entirely, but is there a middle ground or wise way to approach it?
I can tell you from my teacher that weight lifting directly prevents you from building release and Fung song. Hope that helps
what do you think about reverse breathing
I think it’s a part of the methods and if done correctly is good, if done badly, can be damaging :)
So does Tai Chi get the same results, compressing the yang chi in the dan tien, etc? It doesn't seem to have that focus as would be in neigong more deliberate focus on the dantien, Adam talks about the chi filling up the whole body and also you talked together about the thickening of the chi. Presumably to some degree Taichi goes in the same direction somehow
No, it’s a little different. The qi is not compressed in the DT in Taiji as they don’t develop the DT in the same fashion due to seeking different outcomes :)
Thanks Damo as always ☯️🙏🙏🙏
Jing gis Kahn