Having owned Leica Q, Q2 and Q2M + shooting Sony, and listening through your comments in this 20+ min video, I am fairly convinced that you would be better served in selling both the Q3 and the a7CR and re-buy that a7RV, and then put the 40/2.5G on it. Sell the a7IV as well while you are at it. You'll have a package that has a much better shooting experience with high-quality EVF; the 4-way flip screen which the best of both worlds; customization buttons galore to set up the camera the way YOU want it; you'll have AI-driven AF system; focus stacking; better AWB and color than the a1 and a7IV etc, etc, etc. Limit yourself to one lens on it, and you'll have much of the benefits of the Leica Q minus the industrial design and je-ne-sais-quoi joy of using a Leica. Thank me later.
I'll never understand Leica fans. The more Leica takes away, the higher the price, the more they want one. No grip, no problem. No headphone jack, no problem, etc etc. So, save some money., buy an A7CR , a nice prime of YOUR choice, and a tube of super glue, and you're all set with a fixed lens camera to challenge your creativity all you want. . *Some assembly required. (All said with tongue firmly in cheek.)
Having the lens fexibility is surely the most important reason for the Sony. In order to come close to the lens of the Leica, the Vitlrox 28/1.8 may be another option or the Zeiss Batis 25/2. The Q3 lens seems to be physically more like a 26mm design with some electronic distortion and vignette correction presenting it as 27...28mm for the user. That's why you get blurred corners even stopped down...
I was in London this year and only took one lens with me. I own the 24mm1.4GM, 35mm 1.4GM and 50mm 1.4GM and the 35mm was the only one allowed to be included. I love taking photos with a fixed focal length, but I have to say that 35mm is my favorite look and I prefer it that way. I often thought about a Q2 and later about a Q3, but with my system I get more out of it for myself. I was also amazed at how compact and unobtrusive an a7IV with the 35mm 1.4 GM looks when I saw many older DSLR cameras with zoom lenses. For me it no longer needs to be more compact but more functional. I think in the future my a7IV will be replaced with a future a7V or an a7RV (7CR is not an option for me). But I have to admit, the Q3 is very well made and looks great and for certain enthusiasts it will be the perfect camera; similar comparisons can also be made with watches. Thanks for the great comparison and video.
35 & 40mm only way to go. They are just perfect. I'll never understand why Leica uses a 28 which i hear is actually wider than that. Regardless of resolution or crop ability. 28 distorts people and you can't crop that out.
@@frankartale1026 see it the same way. The only appeal of owning a Q for me was always the design. I heard in a video that a 35mm lens cannot be installed in the same way. This would result in massive changes. That's why I've had a 28mm for years. And yes the 28mm looks very similar to my 24mm 1.4 GM.
You mentioned several times that there are differences in image quality but you never mentioned what they are - why leave out possibly the most important parts?
This is probably one of the best explanations of why many people love the Q3 (which I just preordered); I also own and shoot an a7rv. I'm looking forward to the limitations and being forced to work creatively within them while being more methodical about my shooting. I also don't want to think about which lenses I should bring, I want to grab and go but with quality IQ. After playing with the Q3 while in Austria and Japan, I was hooked but unfortunately, no one had them in stock.
Compact full frame cameras are my favorites - a pleasure to carry around if you can accept little compromises. BTW, I use the Falcam F38 quick release plates with my Q2. With a Lim half-case, the plate is aligned with the lens and doesn’t need to be removed to access the battery door and the card door.
As a Photographer myself I simply do not understand these kind of comparisons. The difference between these 2 is so small that zooming in so much and trying so hard to see any differences is a bit strange for me. As a fun comparison that's absolutely fine, but in real life they are both wonderful, it depends what kind of photographer you are and what you can get out of these cameras. I'm a huge Leica design fan, but having an interchangeable lens camera is more useful for everyday use, unless you are using that camera for a specific scenario.
As a consumer and photographer who's thinking about buying another camera, these kinds of comparisons are very helpful. I simply do not understand why people like you are so narrow in your thinking.
@@corner559Well…. For anyone not biased towards a certain brand it’s pretty clear that cam 1 is a great camera that feels good to the owner if he likes that brand but performs a bit less good than camera 2 in dark conditions and that cam 1 is equally great but performs better in dark conditions and has interchangeable lenses… Not sure what else to derive from the vid…
Thank you for your video. I don’t own a Leica Q3 and don’t plan to buy one but do own a A7CR along with several other full size Sony bodies like the A7RV and A1. While I know I can use my smaller GM primes on it I still struggle with what lenses to pair with it. Leaving my GM primes in my bigger bag for now and I’ve created a sling bag with the Zeiss Batis 25/2, 40/2, and 85/1.8 in it. While the Batis are larger than I want the are not that heavy. Also assembled a kit with Sigma I-Series lenses with a 24/2, 35/2, 65/2, and 90/2.8. Still I could go smaller but like having an f-stop of at least f/2. Really want Sony, Sigma, or someone to give us a modern up-to-date 28mm f/2. Maybe someday. What other lenses do you use other than the 24/1.4 GM. Take care.
i own the q2 which i bought for street and travel photography. it's an excellent camera, but you have to exercise caution when metering, because it is so easy to blow the hightlights which can become unrecoverable.
I just don't get the Leica Q cameras, people say it's all about the experience, simplicity etc. What if you take the A7RC, configure it to be very very simple with quick menu options and custom buttons, then screw on a small sharp prime and just leave it there, is the Leica Q3 then still a lot simpler? Some claim the A7RC might not be as exciting to shoot but why?? What does get me excited WHILE I shoot it is to know the quality I will see in the images after the fact and what a little compact powerhouse I'm carrying around. How much does the image quality really differ between the sony and the leica - I'm sure it would be very hard to spot anything, even zoomed in at 300%. Also with the Sony, when I decide to try a 35mm, a 50mm or whatever, it's like changing the whole experience - that's priceless man! If you like shooting anything >= 35mm the Sony will most definitely have the superior image quality
Please explain how to get good in-camera color in Sony cameras.... I am in the verge of selling Sony A7CR I just bought as it produces SOOC awful colors.
@@07SATS yikes it's that bad you think? I never use the SOOC images, I always use the RAW images in Capture one on PC or iPad with my Sony's with stunning results.
@@TheArtist441 Yes, they are awful. I can produce excellent image with Great skin tone straight out of camera like Leica Q2 or Fuji X-T5 and never got disappointed. I dont have time and patience editing pics one by one as I shoot pics of my family and non-professional work.
I hope you enjoy your experience with the Leica. If I ever bought a Leica, it would be an SL model. The one that you have is for the price too small and to restricting. If I just want to think about photography with limitation, focus on the image and slow down, I will pull out my Nikon F4 film camera, which brings me in touch of why I love photography. Like you, for business and almost everything else, I will shoot a Sony. The A7CR wouldn’t be my choice as well, I want a full size camera without limitations. I have rather large hands and I don’t enjoy cramps. All of my Sony bodies have grips.
Great review! Sony for me is a Workhorse and Leica is a piece of Art and brings out the joy of photography everytime you hold it and take a photo. Trust me you will have a lot of keeper photos from Leica than Sony. Words from a Leica Q2 owner who have owned several Sony and all of the big 3 japanese cameras brands! Having said that Leica Q is an amazing video camera too!
I know photos weren't labeled, but the color differece was actually quite apparent, especially yellows, reds and blues. There is some tint I don't like from Sony files and I have owned several of them (A7 (OG), A6000, A7II, A7III, A7C, A7RIII, etc.). I managed to get some fantastic looking photos, but it takes a lot of effort to color grade them in post.
Great Video and a great conclusion. I think, that your right, when you say the Camera is not really meant to shoot Video. But the Lack of a mic input is no limitation. You can easy record your audio externally using a Rode wireless Go and sync that in post. That‘ll give you more Control than recording into the Camera
I really can`t see what you are talking about, a unique look to leica............I can`t see it and it seems to me impossible because leica uses the exact same sensor. Made by Sony. And how about Leica being sharper while the attached lens is getting corrected to be 28mm. I really don`t see it. The pictures shown are vritually identical with some really small color differences.
Thanks for this. As someone who has shot leica mostly and just picked up the a7cii, was wondering re IQ what is your thought on the files and your ability to push the files to certain extremes and say shadow recovery etc… curious if you see a difference in either of the two systems… thanks
for pushing definitely Sony. Where Leica shines are color closer to ideal. i know this is subjective and easily mod with sat/hue sliders on Lightroom.. Cameras compared: M10 & A7 III, IV
I am usually a Sony shooter and tend to lean to 35mm. I purchased the 28mm F2 for about $250 (that would be a good comparison) so I could see if I would like the Q. It's not bad, not as good as the 35mm F1.8, and its close focus is nothing to write home about - but not bad! I did end up buying the Q3 and am loving it. I think the thing about it is that it reminds me of shooting my film camera (Nikon FA), and I get the bonus of not having to faf around with developing film.
I thought about picking up that lens. It was one that I’ve never purchased in all of my years as a Sony user, however, I have a hard time comparing that lens to the lens on the Q3, which is why I preferred to use GM lenses even though there is no direct focal length comparable version.
Someone just did a Q3 vs A7CR + Viltrox 28mm f/1.8 comparison which is $350 and I thought the Viltrox hands down had a more pleasing image over the Leica Q3. Q3 had more of a clinical sharp look to it and the Viltrox just looked more pleasing to me.
Re Q3 video settings … I think that you can set up a User Profile with your video settings and then just switch to that User Profile when you want to move from photo to video.
So this video (at the time I am viewing it) is 10 months old since then the Leica 43 Q3 has been release showing that that camera was not made for that lens specifically. The sensor is the same in both cameras.
There’s a real twist to this video: the Leica Q3 is made of unobtainium, with a 6-month waiting list, whilst I can get a Sony A7CR tomorrow. That’s it. Decision over. The die is cast. Plus the Sony is way more flexible in the long run, just get more lenses, whereas you’ll be stuck with the Q3…
I use half leather case, thumb grip & strap for the Q3 and just shoot away one handed in Europe cities taking random day time street photography .. most images were sharp cause the AF & IS is pretty good though not as good as the A7R5
Thanks for this comparison, it definitely helps people stuck in the same dilemma. I understand the viewer is expected to follow your curser but it becomes harder for folks watching this on a phone at times, the only suggestion i would have is that it would make more sense to put a small Lower thirds stating left is Q3 and right is Sony or vice-versa. This does really shows the Leica roll offs being super smooth 🤌🏼. Well done on the video!
Good video. But your Leica pictures could've been helped by some in-camera exposure compensation. Secondly, even blowing the images up, it is difficult to discern any meaningful difference between the quality of the Leica and Sony images. Is the Leica worth the higher cost of the Sony body and lens? Probably not. But I still want a Leica. 😉
If it's purely about image quality, you'll never be able to justify the price of the Leica. The 7CR has an extremely powerful sensor and Sony GM lenses are extremely good in terms of sharpness and image quality. I think when it comes to image quality you're looking for a needle in a haystack. The price is justified by the very good workmanship, the design, German craftsmanship and the name Leica. I have an Apple Watch Ultra but no Rolex. It can't give me the feeling of a Rolex, but I can use it to tell the time very well and much more.
@@t87h21indeed the image quality is not what you’d consider when choosing between the two. I bought a Q3 because it’s smaller and simpler to operate. That to me was worth the extra cost.
Maybe there is a bit of bias in the comparison. If you're "short" on money try to put a voigtlander APO Lanthar on the A7CR, but if you have extra cash try a summicron with adapter on the Sony. And you'll see, Q3 will just be blown away out of the comparison in term of image quality. In terms of user experience, leica still has an edge.
I have a Q2 with the non-charging grip, which I use all the time along with the thumb grip. It is a total indulgence and love it but will never consider it to be my workaday camera. I tend to grab either a Sony A7III or professional versions of M4/3 cameras unless it is a special occasion. There are no ports or a tilting screen on the Q2 of course, which I consider to be a bonus, differentiating it from others, giving a unique user experience. Yes, every camera is unique in its own way of course and 'vive la difference’. I agree with your conclusions. As I said, this camera is an indulgence for those that care and can afford such.
7:49 in the side by side comparison, looked like the Leica was at f/1.7 while the Sony was f/4.0 which explained the "subtle differences" in the bokeh.
Jerad - I have the Q2 and also have a Sony A7R3. I am considering getting an A7CR paired with either a 24mm or a 35mm for travel. The reason I want it is I am tired of how easily the Leica blows highlights. I have to severely underexpose my images and then spend a lot more time editing. Do you feel the Sony is more forgiving with highlights?
It is very refreshing to hear a youtube photographer prefer the tilt screen over the flippy screen. The Leica mindset, at least for the Q and M series, is very much about photography over computation. Taking JPG+DNG and generally ignoring the DNG files, or even JPG only, would be an interesting shift for a professional photographer using Sony cameras. "It takes a lot to get an image out of any other camera to look like this" [2:40] sums up one mindset, to which the response might be, "Why are you trying?" For anyone thinking of getting a Leica Q or M camera, please avoid trying to shoehorn it into a current photography mode. On the other hand, setting aside the technological features of typical cameras to turn it into a Leica can be very refreshing. M-mount lenses adapt very well to other cameras. For example, the Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH. M-Mount Lens could pair very well with the A7CR. It would be manual focus, but focus peaking makes it manageable, and it provides the artistic approach of the Leica mindset.
If i compare the A7cii vs A7cr in Apsc mode, are they vastly different when printing say an image that is 24inch by 24inch?i want to be avle to just use one prime and punch into apsc mode to compose.
Wow, you and I have very different experiences with the Leica. I shoot a lot of street with a Q2. Mine has been all over the world with me and has the crap beaten out of it. The paint is wearing off the top and it has multiple nicks and dings. The camera is built like a tank and can take a beating and that's part of what I paid for. Also, I love it for fast reaction, literal shoot from the hip photography, and have captured multiple spur of the moment shots. For me the whole point of the 28mm vs a 35 is you shoot loose and crop. I manually adjust as I move through different lighting conditions always aiming about a stop low on my exposure unless I'm trying to blow out the background. I also regularly switch between auto-focus and manual and often put the camera in Macro mode when I run into that kind of shot. One more note as a street photographer I love how quiet the leaf shutter is. My previous system (Fuji XT3) made a lot more noise and would often attract attention when I shot. For me, if you're willing to make the compromises the system demands the Leica Q series is one of the most versatile, and pleasing to use systems out there. Interesting how we perceive a system so differently! Thank you for the video. If you're interested(instagram.com/notthatchrisevans/)
@@jeradcamera I see. i watch your clip on mobile phone so I couldn't see menu on LR. It is too small. 😄 It would be nice if you will add title Q3 and Sony in the video.
I really don’t like straight jpegs coming from a Sony A7CR camera. Do you have in-camera settings that can emulate better colors? I don’t have time to do post-post-processing through Raw. Your viewers will be very happy if you share in-camera settings so that straight jpegs coming from A7CR can be useful. Right now AC7CR produces awful jpegs. Please guide us. Thanks.
I own an A7CR and my friend kindly lent me his Q3 for a day. My original intention was to sell A7CR and buy Q3. I ended up keeping Sony. Surprisingly the biggest reason I stayed with Sony was the lens. Yes, Sony can't offer something as small and bright as f1.7 Summilux - but note that Q3 is fixed at 28mm. 35mm equivalent crop from Q3 is 39MP with DoF of f2. 50mm equivalent is 19MP f3. A7CR&50G takes much better 61MP f2.5 images in 50mm(my favorite FL), is similar to Q3 in size/weight(actually lighter!), focus faster and $3000 cheaper. Q3 is AMAZING nonetheless. Leica's EVF, screen, UI, jpeg look, design, fit and finish are obviously better. It's just that Q3 felt like $1500 worth of upgrade(ymmv) from already perfectly usable A7CR - which couldn't justify the $3000 price difference.
It would help to me more specific. “I’m a busy guy with four children. I find myself being very reactive. I find this camera challenging” why? I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
To me it’s the EVF of a7C II/R that prevent me from even considering it. It’s such a let down when Sony has just about everything right on the a7C & the tech to do so but didn’t.
You don’t hold a Leica with your right hand, you hold it from under the lens with your left hand. I see a lot of newer photographers making this mistake - trying to crab pinch everything with their right hand. Pro tip: not only is the left hand hold more comfortable, it’s also safer because you’re holding the camera from underneath you’re not going to drop it. Unlike right hand grip where I see people add wrist straps and and thumb grips and all sorts of things to “fix” the problem
So,can you make the Q3 an A7cr? No. I like the Leica brand story and its military history. Its durability. I love seeing an old beat-up leica because I know its a tough.
I disagree, you can make the A7CR like a Q3, all you need is a bit of superglue, pour some into the microphone port, some around the lens, sorted! - $3k saved - if you want more limitations, get a 2008 Nokia camera phone? :)
Sony is involved in the development of the sensor found in the Leica. So, there is a lot of similarities between them. Firmware and software will most likely be made by manufacturer of camera. Today's cameras are a mix of parts from different companies. We should not be surprised. But paying twice for a camera that is basically a Sony is ridiculous. It's only a status symbol, like me carrying a vintage all black Nikon F2A wherever I go.
What a bunch of bollocks.....the Leica is 3 times more expensive than the sony (which is already expensive) and it is limited to a fix lens which is 1.7...you have to be very thick and buy Leica thinking that is going to improve your photography...IT IS ABOUT CREATIVITY AND NOT SELLING USELESS SHIT...
Yeah with a used a7rv at the same price as a a7cr why bother getting the one with only 1 card slot, no full sized hdmi, another stop of stabilization, etc
I sold my Sony and have the Q3 now. The Q3 is all what photography is about. You want to go out en shoot. My Sony was a computer with a lens. No fun to use in my opinion.
For some, photography is all about having the most flexibility and not always having to think long and hard about your shot before taking it. Some photographers want more spontaneity and ease of use. Leica just can't cut it in these regards. Also, after having used the Sony DSC-RX1R, I knew that kind of camera was a bummer for me. The a7CR is like a breath of fresh air and makes me want to go out and take pictures.
Since I got my Q3, I sold my A7C and all my Sony lenses. The Q3 limitations don’t affect my photography. Never understood what all the complaints about Sony’s color science was ……. until I got the Q3 and the X100VI.
Really good comparison! The A7CR is wildly overpriced for what it is. They are piling up at camera stores so I fully expect discounts soon. Sony should not have skimped on the EVF and screen. Conversely, the Q3 is a phenomenal deal - the lens alone is worth $6k - which explains why it's a 6-12 month wait. I've got a Q2 and it's an amazing piece of kit. For everyday and travel photography, it's the best.
The lens is far away from being worth 6k. It's simply a heavily distorted compact lens with mixed corner sharpness, just turn off the lens correction that makes it look good. It is optically not even close to a 28mm M Lens that is optically almost flawless. It is a good lens but thats about it.
You talk too much but offer little substance. You could've summed up this lengthy but boring video with one scentence: Leica is a niche and emotional experience. Sony is versatile and adaptable for professional work.
I’m not a professional photographer, but I’d bet 90% of you commenting on here are not. 99% of you are too cheap to buy a leica so you bash it compared to your Sony cameras. I’ve had FX3, FX30, A7CR, A7R5, Canon R5C, RP, R6, 80D, & Leica Q2, Q3, & Leica SL2S-s and I can tell you Sony is like using a Lenovo PC and Leica is the MacBook Pro M3. With image quality there is no comparison, Leica beats, hands down, across the board. The Sony is a very good tool for video and hybrid, which is what most people are looking for nowadays.
Not „too cheap” but not willing to pay more than double for questionable benefits. If it works for you and was within your budget - good for you. I don’t own Sony, I own Fuji.
Why do you repeat EVERYTHING, sometimes 3 times. Repetitive, and very boring. You need to learn to cut to the chase and stop being so pleased with your own voice.
No offence but that's a stupid comparrison. Either compare the Q3 against another fixed lens or compare the Sony against a chaingeable lens, like the M11, for exampe.
Straight into an ad. for Peak Design? I once bought one of Peak Designs's ''camera clip" products. It was so effective that the clip would never ever release my camera from its overpowering grasp. Cheap plastic components. Amazon refunded me after two weeks from purchase.
Seems like Amazon might've sent you a counterfeit product... I have multiple capture clips from PD and they work exactly as advertised and are made of metal.
Sir. For a real photographer, which you are definitely not, the camera adds perhaps 2 percent to the value of the end result. It is mainly the photographer's eye that makes the photos worthwhile. So if I were you, I'd put a lot more effort into looking around you, rather than nitpicking about camera pixels.
That is interesting since Sony users, more than any other camera brand, seem to need to use the LCD instead of the EVF. With their left hand in their jeans pocket, of course...
You again? You have been complaining and complaining. Get the A7R5, he has both. Sorry, but the flippy screen is going to be the rule in the future. With luck, that super tilt and flippy screen will find its way on more cameras.
The Leica images look super clean on the screen i'm viewing. Sony knows how to make an Ugly camera. Jeez. I think Sony should have Kept the Minolta name. Minolta was the japanese Leica. They made a mistake if you ask me. That is like Google buying Rolex, and calling new watches, A Google, Instead of a Rolex. Just stupid. No matter how good Sony is. And another thing, These Camera's are big for what they are. I have a ricoh gr3x and it is tiny. Like for real. And the ibis is incredible.
sony succeed and became a market leader because they are a tech company that pushes the envelope. they dont make devices that panders to nostalgia market, if they do, they'd have maed and sold millions of new tape Walkman since the analog boom started years ago.
@@MuhammadKharismawan right and that market exists to be catered to. Sony should have used the Minolta name and catered to everybody. That is my opinion
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Having owned Leica Q, Q2 and Q2M + shooting Sony, and listening through your comments in this 20+ min video, I am fairly convinced that you would be better served in selling both the Q3 and the a7CR and re-buy that a7RV, and then put the 40/2.5G on it. Sell the a7IV as well while you are at it. You'll have a package that has a much better shooting experience with high-quality EVF; the 4-way flip screen which the best of both worlds; customization buttons galore to set up the camera the way YOU want it; you'll have AI-driven AF system; focus stacking; better AWB and color than the a1 and a7IV etc, etc, etc. Limit yourself to one lens on it, and you'll have much of the benefits of the Leica Q minus the industrial design and je-ne-sais-quoi joy of using a Leica. Thank me later.
I'll never understand Leica fans. The more Leica takes away, the higher the price, the more they want one. No grip, no problem. No headphone jack, no problem, etc etc. So, save some money., buy an A7CR , a nice prime of YOUR choice, and a tube of super glue, and you're all set with a fixed lens camera to challenge your creativity all you want. . *Some assembly required. (All said with tongue firmly in cheek.)
Me too
@@Jackylin888 I meant to add, a colonoscopy also provides a unique and interesting experience, but I think I'll pass.😃
Love your work!
Good comparison but it is not easy to see what image was shot with what camera. Captioning the images would make it much easier.
This proves there is virtually no difference.
exactly, why would you set up a comparison video and then not label the images or tell us which side they are on?
Leica had more noise in every image.
Having the lens fexibility is surely the most important reason for the Sony. In order to come close to the lens of the Leica, the Vitlrox 28/1.8 may be another option or the Zeiss Batis 25/2. The Q3 lens seems to be physically more like a 26mm design with some electronic distortion and vignette correction presenting it as 27...28mm for the user. That's why you get blurred corners even stopped down...
I was in London this year and only took one lens with me. I own the 24mm1.4GM, 35mm 1.4GM and 50mm 1.4GM and the 35mm was the only one allowed to be included. I love taking photos with a fixed focal length, but I have to say that 35mm is my favorite look and I prefer it that way. I often thought about a Q2 and later about a Q3, but with my system I get more out of it for myself. I was also amazed at how compact and unobtrusive an a7IV with the 35mm 1.4 GM looks when I saw many older DSLR cameras with zoom lenses. For me it no longer needs to be more compact but more functional. I think in the future my a7IV will be replaced with a future a7V or an a7RV (7CR is not an option for me). But I have to admit, the Q3 is very well made and looks great and for certain enthusiasts it will be the perfect camera; similar comparisons can also be made with watches. Thanks for the great comparison and video.
35 & 40mm only way to go. They are just perfect. I'll never understand why Leica uses a 28 which i hear is actually wider than that. Regardless of resolution or crop ability. 28 distorts people and you can't crop that out.
@@frankartale1026 see it the same way. The only appeal of owning a Q for me was always the design. I heard in a video that a 35mm lens cannot be installed in the same way. This would result in massive changes. That's why I've had a 28mm for years. And yes the 28mm looks very similar to my 24mm 1.4 GM.
Agreed.
I'm praying for Sony to make an RX1R iii for this reason.
I searched for this comparison before but couldn't find one. Grt video man 👏
You mentioned several times that there are differences in image quality but you never mentioned what they are - why leave out possibly the most important parts?
This is probably one of the best explanations of why many people love the Q3 (which I just preordered); I also own and shoot an a7rv. I'm looking forward to the limitations and being forced to work creatively within them while being more methodical about my shooting. I also don't want to think about which lenses I should bring, I want to grab and go but with quality IQ. After playing with the Q3 while in Austria and Japan, I was hooked but unfortunately, no one had them in stock.
Best of luck finding one. Crazy how slow they are releasing stock.
@@jeradcamera I went ahead and ordered the m11-P, I'm down the rabbit hole now and have been looking at the Leica Summilux. You only live once.
Compact full frame cameras are my favorites - a pleasure to carry around if you can accept little compromises. BTW, I use the Falcam F38 quick release plates with my Q2. With a Lim half-case, the plate is aligned with the lens and doesn’t need to be removed to access the battery door and the card door.
I love the Falcam F38 system. I have it on almost everything I shoot with except for my bigger video rig which needs more support.
As a Photographer myself I simply do not understand these kind of comparisons. The difference between these 2 is so small that zooming in so much and trying so hard to see any differences is a bit strange for me. As a fun comparison that's absolutely fine, but in real life they are both wonderful, it depends what kind of photographer you are and what you can get out of these cameras. I'm a huge Leica design fan, but having an interchangeable lens camera is more useful for everyday use, unless you are using that camera for a specific scenario.
As a consumer and photographer who's thinking about buying another camera, these kinds of comparisons are very helpful. I simply do not understand why people like you are so narrow in your thinking.
@@corner559 That's not being narrow in thinking my friend, just a personal opinion.
@@corner559Well…. For anyone not biased towards a certain brand it’s pretty clear that cam 1 is a great camera that feels good to the owner if he likes that brand but performs a bit less good than camera 2 in dark conditions and that cam 1 is equally great but performs better in dark conditions and has interchangeable lenses…
Not sure what else to derive from the vid…
Bc pixel peepers want to see at 1000x zoom in to see the smallest detail as if it makes a difference in the photo 😂
@@dimaphotographer90Narrow. Stop talking if the content isn't for you 😊
Thank you for your video. I don’t own a Leica Q3 and don’t plan to buy one but do own a A7CR along with several other full size Sony bodies like the A7RV and A1. While I know I can use my smaller GM primes on it I still struggle with what lenses to pair with it. Leaving my GM primes in my bigger bag for now and I’ve created a sling bag with the Zeiss Batis 25/2, 40/2, and 85/1.8 in it. While the Batis are larger than I want the are not that heavy. Also assembled a kit with Sigma I-Series lenses with a 24/2, 35/2, 65/2, and 90/2.8. Still I could go smaller but like having an f-stop of at least f/2. Really want Sony, Sigma, or someone to give us a modern up-to-date 28mm f/2. Maybe someday. What other lenses do you use other than the 24/1.4 GM. Take care.
i own the q2 which i bought for street and travel photography. it's an excellent camera, but you have to exercise caution when metering, because it is so easy to blow the hightlights which can become unrecoverable.
The beauty of the limitation - funny sentence, I cannot find any beauty in the AF-Limitation of the Q3. 6.000USD for an outdated AF is a joke.
I just don't get the Leica Q cameras, people say it's all about the experience, simplicity etc. What if you take the A7RC, configure it to be very very simple with quick menu options and custom buttons, then screw on a small sharp prime and just leave it there, is the Leica Q3 then still a lot simpler? Some claim the A7RC might not be as exciting to shoot but why?? What does get me excited WHILE I shoot it is to know the quality I will see in the images after the fact and what a little compact powerhouse I'm carrying around. How much does the image quality really differ between the sony and the leica - I'm sure it would be very hard to spot anything, even zoomed in at 300%. Also with the Sony, when I decide to try a 35mm, a 50mm or whatever, it's like changing the whole experience - that's priceless man! If you like shooting anything >= 35mm the Sony will most definitely have the superior image quality
Please explain how to get good in-camera color in Sony cameras.... I am in the verge of selling Sony A7CR I just bought as it produces SOOC awful colors.
@@07SATS yikes it's that bad you think? I never use the SOOC images, I always use the RAW images in Capture one on PC or iPad with my Sony's with stunning results.
@@TheArtist441 Yes, they are awful. I can produce excellent image with Great skin tone straight out of camera like Leica Q2 or Fuji X-T5 and never got disappointed. I dont have time and patience editing pics one by one as I shoot pics of my family and non-professional work.
You did a great job comparing and contrasting these two amazing cameras! Conclusion: need both!
I concur 👍🏾
This was the comparison I'm sure many were curious about
One of the better reviewers on youtube, thanks
I hope you enjoy your experience with the Leica. If I ever bought a Leica, it would be an SL model. The one that you have is for the price too small and to restricting. If I just want to think about photography with limitation, focus on the image and slow down, I will pull out my Nikon F4 film camera, which brings me in touch of why I love photography. Like you, for business and almost everything else, I will shoot a Sony. The A7CR wouldn’t be my choice as well, I want a full size camera without limitations. I have rather large hands and I don’t enjoy cramps. All of my Sony bodies have grips.
Great review! Sony for me is a Workhorse and Leica is a piece of Art and brings out the joy of photography everytime you hold it and take a photo. Trust me you will have a lot of keeper photos from Leica than Sony. Words from a Leica Q2 owner who have owned several Sony and all of the big 3 japanese cameras brands! Having said that Leica Q is an amazing video camera too!
The thumb grip really helps as well. Let me know how it all works out.
I know photos weren't labeled, but the color differece was actually quite apparent, especially yellows, reds and blues. There is some tint I don't like from Sony files and I have owned several of them (A7 (OG), A6000, A7II, A7III, A7C, A7RIII, etc.). I managed to get some fantastic looking photos, but it takes a lot of effort to color grade them in post.
Are the Leica photos on the left or right side?
Great Video and a great conclusion.
I think, that your right, when you say the Camera is not really meant to shoot Video. But the Lack of a mic input is no limitation. You can easy record your audio externally using a Rode wireless Go and sync that in post. That‘ll give you more Control than recording into the Camera
I really can`t see what you are talking about, a unique look to leica............I can`t see it and it seems to me impossible because leica uses the exact same sensor. Made by Sony.
And how about Leica being sharper while the attached lens is getting corrected to be 28mm.
I really don`t see it.
The pictures shown are vritually identical with some really small color differences.
Thanks for this. As someone who has shot leica mostly and just picked up the a7cii, was wondering re IQ what is your thought on the files and your ability to push the files to certain extremes and say shadow recovery etc… curious if you see a difference in either of the two systems… thanks
for pushing definitely Sony. Where Leica shines are color closer to ideal. i know this is subjective and easily mod with sat/hue sliders on Lightroom..
Cameras compared: M10 & A7 III, IV
@@laeicawezlar4417 colour is complex. if you use capture one, i would say sony has one of the best colour easily.
I am usually a Sony shooter and tend to lean to 35mm. I purchased the 28mm F2 for about $250 (that would be a good comparison) so I could see if I would like the Q. It's not bad, not as good as the 35mm F1.8, and its close focus is nothing to write home about - but not bad! I did end up buying the Q3 and am loving it. I think the thing about it is that it reminds me of shooting my film camera (Nikon FA), and I get the bonus of not having to faf around with developing film.
I thought about picking up that lens. It was one that I’ve never purchased in all of my years as a Sony user, however, I have a hard time comparing that lens to the lens on the Q3, which is why I preferred to use GM lenses even though there is no direct focal length comparable version.
Someone just did a Q3 vs A7CR + Viltrox 28mm f/1.8 comparison which is $350 and I thought the Viltrox hands down had a more pleasing image over the Leica Q3. Q3 had more of a clinical sharp look to it and the Viltrox just looked more pleasing to me.
Re Q3 video settings … I think that you can set up a User Profile with your video settings and then just switch to that User Profile when you want to move from photo to video.
So this video (at the time I am viewing it) is 10 months old since then the Leica 43 Q3 has been release showing that that camera was not made for that lens specifically. The sensor is the same in both cameras.
JJC does a grip plate with an arca Swiss bevel and still allows access to the card and battery for the Q3.
There’s a real twist to this video: the Leica Q3 is made of unobtainium, with a 6-month waiting list, whilst I can get a Sony A7CR tomorrow. That’s it. Decision over. The die is cast. Plus the Sony is way more flexible in the long run, just get more lenses, whereas you’ll be stuck with the Q3…
This is such a great video...Thank You for putting it together.
Super informative! I would love to check the Q3 out...except it's Unobtainium!
I use half leather case, thumb grip & strap for the Q3 and just shoot away one handed in Europe cities taking random day time street photography .. most images were sharp cause the AF & IS is pretty good though not as good as the A7R5
This is exactly what is holding me back from Q3
Thanks for this comparison, it definitely helps people stuck in the same dilemma.
I understand the viewer is expected to follow your curser but it becomes harder for folks watching this on a phone at times, the only suggestion i would have is that it would make more sense to put a small Lower thirds stating left is Q3 and right is Sony or vice-versa.
This does really shows the Leica roll offs being super smooth 🤌🏼.
Well done on the video!
Thanks. Takes a lot of time to edit the videos even as it is.
Good video. But your Leica pictures could've been helped by some in-camera exposure compensation. Secondly, even blowing the images up, it is difficult to discern any meaningful difference between the quality of the Leica and Sony images. Is the Leica worth the higher cost of the Sony body and lens? Probably not. But I still want a Leica. 😉
If it's purely about image quality, you'll never be able to justify the price of the Leica. The 7CR has an extremely powerful sensor and Sony GM lenses are extremely good in terms of sharpness and image quality. I think when it comes to image quality you're looking for a needle in a haystack. The price is justified by the very good workmanship, the design, German craftsmanship and the name Leica. I have an Apple Watch Ultra but no Rolex. It can't give me the feeling of a Rolex, but I can use it to tell the time very well and much more.
@@t87h21indeed the image quality is not what you’d consider when choosing between the two. I bought a Q3 because it’s smaller and simpler to operate. That to me was worth the extra cost.
Thanks for the video! Wondering what that leather strap you had on your Sony at the beginning was? Looks super nice.
Maybe there is a bit of bias in the comparison. If you're "short" on money try to put a voigtlander APO Lanthar on the A7CR, but if you have extra cash try a summicron with adapter on the Sony. And you'll see, Q3 will just be blown away out of the comparison in term of image quality. In terms of user experience, leica still has an edge.
I have a Q2 with the non-charging grip, which I use all the time along with the thumb grip. It is a total indulgence and love it but will never consider it to be my workaday camera. I tend to grab either a Sony A7III or professional versions of M4/3 cameras unless it is a special occasion. There are no ports or a tilting screen on the Q2 of course, which I consider to be a bonus, differentiating it from others, giving a unique user experience. Yes, every camera is unique in its own way of course and 'vive la difference’. I agree with your conclusions. As I said, this camera is an indulgence for those that care and can afford such.
7:49 in the side by side comparison, looked like the Leica was at f/1.7 while the Sony was f/4.0 which explained the "subtle differences" in the bokeh.
I have that Peak design bag and love it! Thanks for the comparison... Im hoping for a Q3 soon. The waitlist is moving slowly here in Canada.
Jerad - I have the Q2 and also have a Sony A7R3. I am considering getting an A7CR paired with either a 24mm or a 35mm for travel. The reason I want it is I am tired of how easily the Leica blows highlights. I have to severely underexpose my images and then spend a lot more time editing. Do you feel the Sony is more forgiving with highlights?
I didn't have any issues with the highlights but I mostly shoot outdoors with a circular polarizer to combat that on any camera.
It is very refreshing to hear a youtube photographer prefer the tilt screen over the flippy screen.
The Leica mindset, at least for the Q and M series, is very much about photography over computation. Taking JPG+DNG and generally ignoring the DNG files, or even JPG only, would be an interesting shift for a professional photographer using Sony cameras. "It takes a lot to get an image out of any other camera to look like this" [2:40] sums up one mindset, to which the response might be, "Why are you trying?"
For anyone thinking of getting a Leica Q or M camera, please avoid trying to shoehorn it into a current photography mode. On the other hand, setting aside the technological features of typical cameras to turn it into a Leica can be very refreshing. M-mount lenses adapt very well to other cameras. For example, the Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M ASPH. M-Mount Lens could pair very well with the A7CR. It would be manual focus, but focus peaking makes it manageable, and it provides the artistic approach of the Leica mindset.
Tilt Screen for life!
totally pointless comparison. and like all Leica users. negative points are glossed over, is Leica, relaxing, slowing down blah blah blah
Great video 🙌
If i compare the A7cii vs A7cr in Apsc mode, are they vastly different when printing say an image that is 24inch by 24inch?i want to be avle to just use one prime and punch into apsc mode to compose.
Wow, you and I have very different experiences with the Leica. I shoot a lot of street with a Q2. Mine has been all over the world with me and has the crap beaten out of it. The paint is wearing off the top and it has multiple nicks and dings. The camera is built like a tank and can take a beating and that's part of what I paid for.
Also, I love it for fast reaction, literal shoot from the hip photography, and have captured multiple spur of the moment shots. For me the whole point of the 28mm vs a 35 is you shoot loose and crop. I manually adjust as I move through different lighting conditions always aiming about a stop low on my exposure unless I'm trying to blow out the background. I also regularly switch between auto-focus and manual and often put the camera in Macro mode when I run into that kind of shot.
One more note as a street photographer I love how quiet the leaf shutter is. My previous system (Fuji XT3) made a lot more noise and would often attract attention when I shot.
For me, if you're willing to make the compromises the system demands the Leica Q series is one of the most versatile, and pleasing to use systems out there.
Interesting how we perceive a system so differently! Thank you for the video.
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You never went into the X-T3 menu? All sounds can be set to ‘off’.
You want a cookie or something?
What an absolute wall text of self promotion
What do you need the grip on when are you’re using a tripod?
When you put images from both camera side by side together, is the left one is from Sony A7CR?
Look at where I’m clicking and at Lightroom, it displays the camera on the right.
@@jeradcamera I see. i watch your clip on mobile phone so I couldn't see menu on LR. It is too small. 😄 It would be nice if you will add title Q3 and Sony in the video.
@@jeradcamera Yeah that is not fun to try and figure out like that without any cues
What was the weight of each setup ?
I really don’t like straight jpegs coming from a Sony A7CR camera. Do you have in-camera settings that can emulate better colors? I don’t have time to do post-post-processing through Raw. Your viewers will be very happy if you share in-camera settings so that straight jpegs coming from A7CR can be useful. Right now AC7CR produces awful jpegs. Please guide us. Thanks.
I own an A7CR and my friend kindly lent me his Q3 for a day. My original intention was to sell A7CR and buy Q3. I ended up keeping Sony.
Surprisingly the biggest reason I stayed with Sony was the lens. Yes, Sony can't offer something as small and bright as f1.7 Summilux - but note that Q3 is fixed at 28mm.
35mm equivalent crop from Q3 is 39MP with DoF of f2. 50mm equivalent is 19MP f3.
A7CR&50G takes much better 61MP f2.5 images in 50mm(my favorite FL), is similar to Q3 in size/weight(actually lighter!), focus faster and $3000 cheaper.
Q3 is AMAZING nonetheless. Leica's EVF, screen, UI, jpeg look, design, fit and finish are obviously better.
It's just that Q3 felt like $1500 worth of upgrade(ymmv) from already perfectly usable A7CR - which couldn't justify the $3000 price difference.
It would help to me more specific. “I’m a busy guy with four children. I find myself being very reactive. I find this camera challenging” why? I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
3:40 sensor technology? It's the same sensor inside that Leica than the Sony. What are you talking about?
Question is whether the comparison of a $6K+ camera with a $3K+ has any meaning.
Would be great if you could do a Leica q3 vs Sony a1 video mainly portraits etc
To me it’s the EVF of a7C II/R that prevent me from even considering it. It’s such a let down when Sony has just about everything right on the a7C & the tech to do so but didn’t.
Did you keep the q3 and do you still use it?
Yes and yes. I plan to do an update video soon.
@@jeradcamera so you've come to love it again? I'm feeling how you did initially, and contemplating getting rid of it, but can't bring myself to do it
Buy a wrist strap. Even with a massive grip on a camera- still use a wrist strap.
Nice BRCC snap 👌
Fortunate to have BRCC about 5 mins from my house.
You don’t hold a Leica with your right hand, you hold it from under the lens with your left hand. I see a lot of newer photographers making this mistake - trying to crab pinch everything with their right hand.
Pro tip: not only is the left hand hold more comfortable, it’s also safer because you’re holding the camera from underneath you’re not going to drop it. Unlike right hand grip where I see people add wrist straps and and thumb grips and all sorts of things to “fix” the problem
There it is. The weirdest snob comment I'll see today. I'm holding it wrong. Ok. Lol.
So,can you make the Q3 an A7cr? No. I like the Leica brand story and its military history. Its durability. I love seeing an old beat-up leica because I know its a tough.
The "Leica look". LOL. The Leica is a very tough sell.
I have the Q3 and the Q2 before it. The lens is more of a 25mm lens.
thank you.
Here’s an idea…put a strap on the camera…that way you won’t drop it.
Why i felt the sony has a little bit detail..?
I disagree, you can make the A7CR like a Q3, all you need is a bit of superglue, pour some into the microphone port, some around the lens, sorted! - $3k saved - if you want more limitations, get a 2008 Nokia camera phone? :)
Sony is involved in the development of the sensor found in the Leica. So, there is a lot of similarities between them. Firmware and software will most likely be made by manufacturer of camera. Today's cameras are a mix of parts from different companies. We should not be surprised. But paying twice for a camera that is basically a Sony is ridiculous. It's only a status symbol, like me carrying a vintage all black Nikon F2A wherever I go.
What a bunch of bollocks.....the Leica is 3 times more expensive than the sony (which is already expensive) and it is limited to a fix lens which is 1.7...you have to be very thick and buy Leica thinking that is going to improve your photography...IT IS ABOUT CREATIVITY AND NOT SELLING USELESS SHIT...
Sony way better than any of the pricey Leica models!!!
Sony 28 f2 is the closest focal length len to Q3
Neither og those, it is Sony A7RIV, Sony A7RIV and Sony A7RV.
Yeah with a used a7rv at the same price as a a7cr why bother getting the one with only 1 card slot, no full sized hdmi, another stop of stabilization, etc
Imagine a Leica Q3 Monochrom
The fact that you just cant get a Q3 also blows..
Resolution has nothing to do with low light performance. It's sad people still believe that
Too much time spent talking about worrying about dropping the camera. Just buy a wrist leash. Problem solved
I sold my Sony and have the Q3 now. The Q3 is all what photography is about. You want to go out en shoot. My Sony was a computer with a lens. No fun to use in my opinion.
For some, photography is all about having the most flexibility and not always having to think long and hard about your shot before taking it. Some photographers want more spontaneity and ease of use. Leica just can't cut it in these regards. Also, after having used the Sony DSC-RX1R, I knew that kind of camera was a bummer for me. The a7CR is like a breath of fresh air and makes me want to go out and take pictures.
Since I got my Q3, I sold my A7C and all my Sony lenses. The Q3 limitations don’t affect my photography. Never understood what all the complaints about Sony’s color science was ……. until I got the Q3 and the X100VI.
Really good comparison! The A7CR is wildly overpriced for what it is. They are piling up at camera stores so I fully expect discounts soon. Sony should not have skimped on the EVF and screen. Conversely, the Q3 is a phenomenal deal - the lens alone is worth $6k - which explains why it's a 6-12 month wait. I've got a Q2 and it's an amazing piece of kit. For everyday and travel photography, it's the best.
The lens is far away from being worth 6k. It's simply a heavily distorted compact lens with mixed corner sharpness, just turn off the lens correction that makes it look good. It is optically not even close to a 28mm M Lens that is optically almost flawless. It is a good lens but thats about it.
I buy cameras and lenses to take pictures that are pretty. Never mind what the camera looks like.
This review makes no sense to me.
You talk too much but offer little substance. You could've summed up this lengthy but boring video with one scentence: Leica is a niche and emotional experience. Sony is versatile and adaptable for professional work.
Stupid, stupid flippy-out screen on the Sony and crap viewfinder. The A7r IV/V are so much better.
I’m not a professional photographer, but I’d bet 90% of you commenting on here are not. 99% of you are too cheap to buy a leica so you bash it compared to your Sony cameras. I’ve had FX3, FX30, A7CR, A7R5, Canon R5C, RP, R6, 80D, & Leica Q2, Q3, & Leica SL2S-s and I can tell you Sony is like using a Lenovo PC and Leica is the MacBook Pro M3. With image quality there is no comparison, Leica beats, hands down, across the board. The Sony is a very good tool for video and hybrid, which is what most people are looking for nowadays.
Not „too cheap” but not willing to pay more than double for questionable benefits. If it works for you and was within your budget - good for you. I don’t own Sony, I own Fuji.
Why do you repeat EVERYTHING, sometimes 3 times. Repetitive, and very boring. You need to learn to cut to the chase and stop being so pleased with your own voice.
I am completely unconvinced by any of your thoughts or conclusions. You sound like a computerised bot.
lol what is compact about either of these
Sony is Toyota 😂
No offence but that's a stupid comparrison. Either compare the Q3 against another fixed lens or compare the Sony against a chaingeable lens, like the M11, for exampe.
Straight into an ad. for Peak Design? I once bought one of Peak Designs's ''camera clip" products. It was so effective that the clip would never ever release my camera from its overpowering grasp. Cheap plastic components. Amazon refunded me after two weeks from purchase.
Seems like Amazon might've sent you a counterfeit product... I have multiple capture clips from PD and they work exactly as advertised and are made of metal.
Sir. For a real photographer, which you are definitely not, the camera adds perhaps 2 percent to the value of the end result. It is mainly the photographer's eye that makes the photos worthwhile.
So if I were you, I'd put a lot more effort into looking around you, rather than nitpicking about camera pixels.
You’re right. I’ve been faking an almost 20 year successful career in photography.
That Damn awful rear screen on the Sony…. It’s a no from me. Too slow, obtrusive and conspicuous.
That is interesting since Sony users, more than any other camera brand, seem to need to use the LCD instead of the EVF. With their left hand in their jeans pocket, of course...
You again? You have been complaining and complaining. Get the A7R5, he has both. Sorry, but the flippy screen is going to be the rule in the future. With luck, that super tilt and flippy screen will find its way on more cameras.
The Leica images look super clean on the screen i'm viewing. Sony knows how to make an Ugly camera. Jeez. I think Sony should have Kept the Minolta name. Minolta was the japanese Leica. They made a mistake if you ask me. That is like Google buying Rolex, and calling new watches, A Google, Instead of a Rolex. Just stupid. No matter how good Sony is. And another thing, These Camera's are big for what they are. I have a ricoh gr3x and it is tiny. Like for real. And the ibis is incredible.
Well said.
sony succeed and became a market leader because they are a tech company that pushes the envelope. they dont make devices that panders to nostalgia market, if they do, they'd have maed and sold millions of new tape Walkman since the analog boom started years ago.
@@MuhammadKharismawan right and that market exists to be catered to. Sony should have used the Minolta name and catered to everybody. That is my opinion