@@stryker_6568 End of the day you have to account for it, you could release a more HiFi version. Though for platforms like TikTok you lose alot of your drum sounds etc..
for the multiband saturation trick you could parallel process the sub bass and the mid frequencies (however you do that in your daw) differently and then saturate the mids differently from the sub
Hes saying you do paralel processing with the bass. You leave the sub alone on one channel. Then in the parallel channel you add the saturation to the mix, compress it, then send them both to a mix buss. This blends you uncompressed sub, with a saturated compressed sub and gives you a beefier bass all around without increasing its volume,( as long as you dial in the right levels on the two paralell signals)
Man, this is crazy! Just played a track to a buddy of mine on my phone and I was wondering how I could make it sound better. Great timing and always one of my favorite tutorial channels! Thank you.
Dude I have been listening to so many people professional big people and all kinds of other people but dude you just killed the game with this video this is on point the most of any video I have watched and boy is this a big stress off my shoulders thanks man this helped me out sooooo much 🙏🙏🙏 You the man👊✊
I super appreciate this channel. I've learned so much over the past year just churning through your videos. I feel like I'm leveling up in realtime and becoming a better producer. I picked up the course a while ago and it's been inspiring me big time. I'd been stuck in this rut thinking that if I created a song with lyrics, that I'd have to be the one to sing it ... but your song "Don't Let Me Go" where you worked with those 2 Norwegian guys unlocked that self-imposed restriction and has really made a difference. I've already started incorporating this "saturating the upper bands in the bass" method in many of my songs with you to thank. Keep at it man - I'll probably be picking up a drum sample pack around Christmas. Peace.
This is actually a smart way of doing it because when you use the phone not all phones sound the same some phones have a pretty good bass resolution and some phone sound like they're playing through a pipe🤔😀😂 But I did notice that when I was producing trance that I never had this issue with phones because of the layering low mid highs
Been playing with both Le Petite Excite and Substrate tonight as it happens, both free saturation plugins, but Substrate adds bass harmonics from a low frequency that you can set, and Le Petite Excite saturates both high and low, separately, but doesn't boost the bass so much down low. Petite would be what you'd want for phone speakers, both together are sounding pretty good in my mixing position! 🙂👍
So you're just saturation the bass track in you're mix to get it to cut through on you're phone? It doesn't lessen the quality of the original bass track? It doesn't throw off the whole mix? Sorry, just a little confused.
@@CaptainVelveeta What happens is that harmonics are added to the bass signal. These harmonics are higher than the fundamental note of the bass, but directly related to the fundamental. So even though your phone, or other small speaker can't play notes as low as the fundamental note, because we hear the harmonics, or brains are tricked into thinking that they can hear the fundamental note too. It's a psychoacoustic effect. In solo, you won't really notice much difference in the bass sound, it will just sound a little more full, or at extremes, like you've added some distortion by cranking the gain on an amp or adding an overdrive pedal.
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn Wow...that kinda makes me wanna do an in-depth study on psychoacoustic effects just to see what other tricks I can learn...thanks for the learning
Thanks for this video, I was looking for a way to stream and mix my sessions on my phone. Watching this I just realized I could probably use zoom as well! Thank you!
Thank you so damn much for this man. Ive been mixing my first duo album and want it to slap, it sounds fine through my monitors but so tinny through my mobile, I hoenstly didnt even think to just cut off the low and high end, then using a multiband. Appreciate your knowledge!
Hey Big Z, love the content! Do you think you could start matching the volume levels of the before and after? I find it a bit difficult to hear what's really going on when the after is notably louder than the before. Thanks!
I found this because I was searching informations about frequency responds of smart phones. It is interesting how to consider the limitations of those devices into music production. Thank you!
I check my mixes on phone, MP3 media player, laptop using regular 3.5mm jack output without enhancements ( changing from great to average headphones) , car stereo and studio monitors.That gives me overall view where some FQ or sounds must be improved.
Super-useful video. My problem is that sometimes when I saturate the bass or add a higher layer, it just screws things up; for some reason, this is the most difficult thing for me.. Anyway, I have been listening to everything on my phone and then in my car pretty much from the beginning of my journey. It's absolutely critical to calibrate your ears this way. The earlier you do this, the more likely you'll be able to anticipate what's needed.
You could put an EQ post/after your saturation plugin and control frequency dynamics by using a dynamic EQ or subtract the harsh or clashing frequencies that got added in after the saturation was added.
I’m not sure if I did that first one right. I played the audio from sonar to the computer and recorded from a TH-cam video, but the waves was going up and down in volume. may I have a stem or something of what you used cause I don’t know how to make one of those
Also good to listen on the little internal speakers from like a mini mac. The changes are just like on a phone heard very clear and immediately. Good vid again!
But you are still mixing the bass according to the rest of the track, just turn the fader down more if it got louder, the point is to make those 150-400hz frequencies equally loud as the frequencies which phone doesnt pick up
@@mir9168 I think he’s pointing out that the ‘original version’ and the ‘optimized version’ should’ve been played at the same volume so it’s easier to compare
man, you always come as ordered. I was wondering what is the best way for Saturation for bass and to look for it - here you are. And this App I've been looking for something like this for months. it is much easier to mix that way, even though it is a little late. Up until now, I've been transferring the track to Cloud Drive all the time...
Man this was truly an epic video. Thank you. My mixes sounds great on my laptop, my studio speakers and my car, but sound like shit on my phone, which is where I know most people will be listening. I know there is something in the low end of all those other places that is different on the phone. But I have not been able to figure it out.
Still going strong with great content! Love your channel. These tips will really benefit me. Are there any options to Listento that are not subscription-based (I'd rather have a one-time-pay option)?
what the hell lol, i didn't like the first sentence but the rest is gold? very thorough and informative and haven't seen this explained like this anywhere else
great video! hey so I use Apple Music and when I import my tracks into Apple Music and listen on my iphone my tracks are always way louder. I think apple music plays streaming masters at -16 LUFFS, but most of the pop masters are closer to -10
To be honest, I can hear a big difference before and after and I'm not sure I want to apply such a invasive processing just to allow people to listen on crappy phone speaker. I would check more on the mono compatibility of the sound for that purpose.
Found this SO helpful. I've been trying to overcome quiet mixes on iPhones for over a year now. Particularly your explanation of EQ'ing to push frequencies that phone speakers can replicate most loudly and then the plug in to stream audio from your DAW to your iPhone. GAMECHANGER. *** For anyone else that wants to stream audio DAW > iPhone, I found Sonobus which is a free alternative that sounds/works great.
Thanks for the tip, I’ve download SonoBus into my phone. How do I make the DAW stream to the phone? Do I have to download a plug-in to the DAW as well?
Thanks for the tip, I’ve download SonoBus into my phone. How do I make the DAW stream to the phone? Do I have to download a plug-in to the DAW as well?
Do you think it would help to ACTUALLY SEE where the dips and cuts are by number? Blindly mimicking a shape of an Eq is a bit pointless, unless I'm just not seeing it on the screen.
This is why people use reference speakers such as mix cubes, they already have a curve to show you what things sound like on crappy speakers .. cool idea tho!
- My son hates with a passion music coming out of a phone speaker, and he has a point, if I want to appreciate good music it's gonna be thru my KEFs or my decent Headphones.
I watch basically all the tutorials on my phone naturally i learned this a similar way so always when I'm mixing and don't hear something I might think "okay but on the phooooone this may help" when saturating for example
"you gotta accept the fact that most people will never appreciate all the little details and effort you put into your mix"
I do
@@Walid.OnTheTrack6725you the real mvp
I call them earcandies
*Before watching* 0:07 my problem is they BOTH sound good so I don’t know what to point out
After: This made a lot more sense
Mixing for phone speakers, like painting for the blind
My biggest concern is this might fuck up the headphone experience
@@stryker_6568 End of the day you have to account for it, you could release a more HiFi version. Though for platforms like TikTok you lose alot of your drum sounds etc..
That bass trick alone is pure gold!
for the multiband saturation trick you could parallel process the sub bass and the mid frequencies (however you do that in your daw) differently and then saturate the mids differently from the sub
Too convoluted whatever you are trying to say
@@MrFree-vj8qj Frequency split and then saturate the different frequency ranges :D
Came here to say that!
Hes saying you do paralel processing with the bass. You leave the sub alone on one channel. Then in the parallel channel you add the saturation to the mix, compress it, then send them both to a mix buss. This blends you uncompressed sub, with a saturated compressed sub and gives you a beefier bass all around without increasing its volume,( as long as you dial in the right levels on the two paralell signals)
Please do more saturation videos! In my opinion it’s the most important mixing skill behind EQing.
that's easier than Eq, just don't put it on a whole master cause you gonna f*ck it
this has been the most insightful mixing video ive seen in weeks. and i have been on a binge
Man, this is crazy! Just played a track to a buddy of mine on my phone and I was wondering how I could make it sound better. Great timing and always one of my favorite tutorial channels! Thank you.
You are literally a life saver, thank you so much for every single tutorial you make !!!!
Dude I have been listening to so many people professional big people and all kinds of other people but dude you just killed the game with this video this is on point the most of any video I have watched and boy is this a big stress off my shoulders thanks man this helped me out sooooo much 🙏🙏🙏 You the man👊✊
I am mind blown you killed it! Omg! Need that EQ preset asap
I super appreciate this channel. I've learned so much over the past year just churning through your videos. I feel like I'm leveling up in realtime and becoming a better producer. I picked up the course a while ago and it's been inspiring me big time. I'd been stuck in this rut thinking that if I created a song with lyrics, that I'd have to be the one to sing it ... but your song "Don't Let Me Go" where you worked with those 2 Norwegian guys unlocked that self-imposed restriction and has really made a difference. I've already started incorporating this "saturating the upper bands in the bass" method in many of my songs with you to thank. Keep at it man - I'll probably be picking up a drum sample pack around Christmas. Peace.
Hope that track gets released! Sounds great. Amazing tips. Thank you!
That last trick is absolutely..just thx
This is exactly what was missing in my current mix. Thanks a ton!
Love you sir ❤️, thank you for the most important tutorial
So much information in such little time & I love your music man!
This is actually a smart way of doing it because when you use the phone not all phones sound the same some phones have a pretty good bass resolution and some phone sound like they're playing through a pipe🤔😀😂
But I did notice that when I was producing trance that I never had this issue with phones because of the layering low mid highs
Finally a video that is simply
and the results are spot on. Thank You Big Z !!!!!!!!!
This is the most useful tutorial I’ve seen in the longest time
He’s done it again! Someone tell this man he’s a good egg!👏👏👏
Congratulations on 100k subscribers. I am really happy for you. Cheers mate.🎉🎉🎉
Great tips man! I gotta try the Listento app!
Been playing with both Le Petite Excite and Substrate tonight as it happens, both free saturation plugins, but Substrate adds bass harmonics from a low frequency that you can set, and Le Petite Excite saturates both high and low, separately, but doesn't boost the bass so much down low.
Petite would be what you'd want for phone speakers, both together are sounding pretty good in my mixing position! 🙂👍
So you're just saturation the bass track in you're mix to get it to cut through on you're phone? It doesn't lessen the quality of the original bass track? It doesn't throw off the whole mix? Sorry, just a little confused.
@@CaptainVelveeta What happens is that harmonics are added to the bass signal. These harmonics are higher than the fundamental note of the bass, but directly related to the fundamental. So even though your phone, or other small speaker can't play notes as low as the fundamental note, because we hear the harmonics, or brains are tricked into thinking that they can hear the fundamental note too. It's a psychoacoustic effect.
In solo, you won't really notice much difference in the bass sound, it will just sound a little more full, or at extremes, like you've added some distortion by cranking the gain on an amp or adding an overdrive pedal.
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn Wow...that kinda makes me wanna do an in-depth study on psychoacoustic effects just to see what other tricks I can learn...thanks for the learning
Thanks for this video, I was looking for a way to stream and mix my sessions on my phone. Watching this I just realized I could probably use zoom as well! Thank you!
airfoil another good option for monitoring on iphone
thIS Is f**king gold man ! you're the best big Z!!!
Thank you so damn much for this man. Ive been mixing my first duo album and want it to slap, it sounds fine through my monitors but so tinny through my mobile, I hoenstly didnt even think to just cut off the low and high end, then using a multiband.
Appreciate your knowledge!
Why didnt you say anything about vocals an Does this work with vocals??
Hey Big Z, love the content! Do you think you could start matching the volume levels of the before and after? I find it a bit difficult to hear what's really going on when the after is notably louder than the before. Thanks!
Saturn doesnt affect levels
I found this because I was searching informations about frequency responds of smart phones. It is interesting how to consider the limitations of those devices into music production. Thank you!
Would have been so cool if you uploaded the EQ shape as a preset, but yeah, overall a very helpful video!
Wanna drop that Pro Q-3 preset?
That's brilliant. Can you share the smartphone test fab filter eq preset with us?
I second that....Trying to replicate it now.
It sounds great and i appreciate the lesson, but i think the different versions aren't volume matched so it's difficult to judge properly.
That phone eq trick is so creative
dang rest in peace to the avantone mixcubes! listento plugin killed it
Software is the key to the future.
Boosting the bass without touching the low !!!! Just wow 🤩… thanks man.
Yes that is possible by boosting upper harmonies that usually are low.
AS always, GREAT video! Any chance we could get your (Pro Q-3) Phone EQ preset ?
Exactly.
Best tip ever!!!!! It worked on my new song!!! Yay!!!
I check my mixes on phone, MP3 media player, laptop using regular 3.5mm jack output without enhancements ( changing from great to average headphones) , car stereo and studio monitors.That gives me overall view where some FQ or sounds must be improved.
Super-useful video. My problem is that sometimes when I saturate the bass or add a higher layer, it just screws things up; for some reason, this is the most difficult thing for me.. Anyway, I have been listening to everything on my phone and then in my car pretty much from the beginning of my journey. It's absolutely critical to calibrate your ears this way. The earlier you do this, the more likely you'll be able to anticipate what's needed.
You could put an EQ post/after your saturation plugin and control frequency dynamics by using a dynamic EQ or subtract the harsh or clashing frequencies that got added in after the saturation was added.
Theres no perfect solution music is about choices & compromises
Thanks man. Was very interesting. The Listento plugin is a subscription or is free?
wow well done. A long time before I can find your video. Magic do cool and straight to the point ! Thank You Man!
I’m not sure if I did that first one right. I played the audio from sonar to the computer and recorded from a TH-cam video, but the waves was going up and down in volume. may I have a stem or something of what you used cause I don’t know how to make one of those
The GOAT! Thanks bro!
Also good to listen on the little internal speakers from like a mini mac. The changes are just like on a phone heard very clear and immediately.
Good vid again!
Excellent Tutorial. thanks
Ok, but that bass got waaaay louder......
Nope, it’s just the saturation feeling
But you are still mixing the bass according to the rest of the track, just turn the fader down more if it got louder, the point is to make those 150-400hz frequencies equally loud as the frequencies which phone doesnt pick up
@@mir9168 I think he’s pointing out that the ‘original version’ and the ‘optimized version’ should’ve been played at the same volume so it’s easier to compare
@@oliverquach9614 you are right, i might have misunderstood him
Perceived loudness from the harmonics. Its not louder on the metering
Fenomenal video... clear , concise and super useful info! LOVE , your short videos (max 7-8 min) Thank you for making them 💚 Efficient!
thanks for your amazing content! u are great!
man, you always come as ordered. I was wondering what is the best way for Saturation for bass and to look for it - here you are. And this App I've been looking for something like this for months. it is much easier to mix that way, even though it is a little late. Up until now, I've been transferring the track to Cloud Drive all the time...
you the man !🙌
This dude is literally a God send
One word: legend!
Yes you can have a mix maximized for cellphone but the key is to find a happy medium to sound good in any speaker and medium
Can we get the phone eq preset?
🙏
Very helpful,Thanks! learning how to do this on FCP.
Golden insights in just 6 mins, you're amazing wooosh
Very cool
Big Z
Thank you BIG Z! Can you tell us what headphones you are using to monitor?
Man this was truly an epic video. Thank you. My mixes sounds great on my laptop, my studio speakers and my car, but sound like shit on my phone, which is where I know most people will be listening. I know there is something in the low end of all those other places that is different on the phone. But I have not been able to figure it out.
What program is he using?
This will help a lot as I’m writing and mixing my new solo rock album. Thanks man!
What software do i need to use this? Photoshop???
Great advice, it would be awesome if you added a link to the I Phone preset... ;)
You are a master! 🤟🏻
Everything you do sounds so good and tasteful! ❤
This some powerful methods I have ever seen. Thank you sir and you got a new Sub
Hey Z, do you ever adjust for a phone like in this video - then go back to hearing your full mix and it's not as good now?
Do you have your template for download?
Still going strong with great content! Love your channel. These tips will really benefit me. Are there any options to Listento that are not subscription-based (I'd rather have a one-time-pay option)?
Saturn is the key to this, makes a huge difference when you use it right. Good video all the other ones from "pro engineers" was absolut trash
what the hell lol, i didn't like the first sentence but the rest is gold? very thorough and informative and haven't seen this explained like this anywhere else
Great video !!!!!! Would it be possible to have a link to your eq filter preset (the first Eq you’re presenting) thx !!!
Finally a mixing tutorial I can watch from my phone))
great video! hey so I use Apple Music and when I import my tracks into Apple Music and listen on my iphone my tracks are always way louder. I think apple music plays streaming masters at -16 LUFFS, but most of the pop masters are closer to -10
Any future tutorials on composing EDM melodies from chord progressions?? Thank you very much
To be honest, I can hear a big difference before and after and I'm not sure I want to apply such a invasive processing just to allow people to listen on crappy phone speaker. I would check more on the mono compatibility of the sound for that purpose.
Yeah, better let only DJs play with massive speakers as meant.
demos in each vid are so sick... when are you dropping your album man
So should you have a render for the club and one for release? or does the mix that works for the phone will sound how it’s supposed to in the club?
Found this SO helpful. I've been trying to overcome quiet mixes on iPhones for over a year now. Particularly your explanation of EQ'ing to push frequencies that phone speakers can replicate most loudly and then the plug in to stream audio from your DAW to your iPhone. GAMECHANGER. *** For anyone else that wants to stream audio DAW > iPhone, I found Sonobus which is a free alternative that sounds/works great.
Thanks for the tip, I’ve download SonoBus into my phone. How do I make the DAW stream to the phone? Do I have to download a plug-in to the DAW as well?
Thanks for the tip, I’ve download SonoBus into my phone. How do I make the DAW stream to the phone? Do I have to download a plug-in to the DAW as well?
My guy , what mic chain are you using , that noise floor was wild lol (especially on the high end)
Do you think it would help to ACTUALLY SEE where the dips and cuts are by number? Blindly mimicking a shape of an Eq is a bit pointless, unless I'm just not seeing it on the screen.
Damn, this is next level info. Thank you for this.
Can we talk about the track ?? I love it 🔥
This is why people use reference speakers such as mix cubes, they already have a curve to show you what things sound like on crappy speakers .. cool idea tho!
Thanks for these great tips man. What convertors do you use?
- My son hates with a passion music coming out of a phone speaker, and he has a point, if I want to appreciate good music it's gonna be thru my KEFs or my decent Headphones.
Sick! Thank you!
Great! How do I get bars in Saturn 2? I just get the EQ line.
Awesome video, as always. Can’t wait for your next instructional course!
The last point blew my mind! Much appreciated
Thats really really good. Best channel you have😊
Is there a way I can do that in davinci resolve? I absolutely need this in my workflow for Soudn Effects since Social Media is so prominent
I watch basically all the tutorials on my phone naturally i learned this a similar way so always when I'm mixing and don't hear something I might think "okay but on the phooooone this may help" when saturating for example
Awesome, thank you
Incredible you are my man
Very clear presentation!
Really big tips man! Thanks for this tutorial!
Awesome tips! Thanks again 🤗
Man, your content is rock solid. Good stuff. Thank you 🙏