Why is there no disclaimer that Luntz is a Republican, "communication specialist," who worked for Newt Gingrich? This was presented as an objective piece of journalism and Luntz isn't a journalist and IS a hard core, partisan Republican. This is just propaganda and I'm beginning to wonder about CNN's agenda.
Well I ran a DNC funded focus group last night, 100 people , 32 registered Democrats 26 Republicans and 42 independents . 54 woman, 48 women (15 of the 18 Dem) all 14 Republican women and 20 of the 22 Independent women .................All said Walz was Creepy , 77 of 100 total thought JD won the debate , 7 of the 9 undecided (2 REP,2 DEM and 3 IND,) all said They are most likely voting for Trump after watching this debate..
That isn't true at all, and Luntz is no Trump fan either. A disclaimer for what? His political party doesn't matter, this is his business and what he does. You have alot of nerve complaining about a focus group when every moderator that has done a debate in 2024 has been a Democrat??? Come on! Frank Luntz is fair and he hides nothing, you just heard from the people themselves. Grow up!
The economy is the problem that the left wont address because they’re promising all of our money towards wars they act like dick cheney joining them is a good thing they should have silently taken that money hes a war monger it shows with his party switch the change in partys the left is now the party of war and corporations the thing they were completely against 20 years ago a party change has happened the right is the party of peace and the left is now the party of war ukraine palastine and now iran and israel next is going to be china and India because of the usa being silent on china bullying bhutan taking over their borders and ignoring their sovereignty to encroach on the chickens neck territory of india that would divide the west and east there id taken over causing massive instability in major trade routes in asia this would legitimately start world war 3 multiple nuclear powers fighting at once isnt going to end well besides for the globalists who aim to depopulate the earth we need to vote for trump the marxists aren’t going to rule they are just a tool their using to gain total control for them like iran funding terror is the same as globalists funding Marxists to overthrow the systems
@@HanTheProphetmaking companies who profit off of importing products made with borderline slave labor and undercutting American jobs and industry isn’t ok
@@gforcekarasthey were biased as hell. They tried to Fact Check Vance and he put them in their place and they shut off his mic. Obviously, they didn't get the memo about fact checking despite the instructions in the beginning. Walz lied 5 times and they did nothing to stop him.
This is sad bc Trump his supporters don't even understand how an election works undecided voters make a huge percentage of an election. But maga loves to claim voters fraud but can't give any evidence
Here's how everyone should describe or explain JD Vance: 1. You have a big party or a raver at a huge house, and you have group one in the right corner that hates Trump, JD Vance walks over and agrees that he hates Trump. 2. There's group two in the right corner, they love Trump, JD Vance walks over to them and says he loves Trump: 3. There's group three upstairs, they're independent and don't have an opinion; JD Vance walks up to them and says he has no idea about anything Trump did or does. 4. You have the party's Host; they're radical and want to destroy the party and have fun and take control of a raging party. JD Vance walks over to them and says whatever he has to do to be invited back to the party. In the Webster's Dictionary there should be a picture of JD Vance for this definition: Someone tries to get close to someone by excessively agreeing with them, it's often called "brown-nosing" or "people-pleasing" This is dangerous and these people should be avoided and stopped and called out every second of the day.
What is Vance not allowed to change his opinion on something he said I mean Obama used to say marriage was between man and woman only he also used to take climate change seriously until he moved to his private island in Hawaii
"Undecided" voters are people who know that one candidate is unfit but are embarrassed to say that they plan to vote for him. It's telling that I don't have to tell you which candidate that is.
One candidate is male and the other is female. You reference gender so you indicated who you referred to. That’s what was telling about your statement not the merit of it.
This just shows how little these people have paid attention. Pathetic. Vance walked away from all of his own extreme positions and statements which he has staunchly defended previously though trying to reframe many of them inadequately.
They think one debate humanized Vance after hundreds of disgusting comments on the campaign trail and in interviews. America has such a memory issue. Vance is still a snake. He just slithered into some new skin for one night.
@@KleWdSideDems are coping hard.😂😂All the polls say Vance won the debate. All the focus groups say Vance won the debate. Period. Try coping harder....
JD Vance had his sheep’s clothing on don’t let him fool you he is a wolf😮 anybody who’s undecided does not want democracy. The choices you put a dictator in the office for life and you lose all of your freedoms you lose all of the guard rails you lose your choices for everything school families, healthcare religion, right to live right to marry! You choose the other side, you get democracy you get the rule of law you get to vote and you have a voice
@@4dogs999 fear mongering and straw manning how will voting for trump get us anywhere near there and please dont say “project 2025” propaganda line lets have an actual conversation on how we get from day one in office to him turning into hitler because i dont reallt get how were heading to that conclusion
Anyone watching this can see that this isn't a group of undecided voters. Nine middle-age blue collar white men, 1 black guy, and 4 women, all without college-degrees. This is as ridiculous as it gets. This clearly demonstrates how desperate this situaiton has become for Frank Luntz and for Trump supporters. If one looks at the post-debate results from any other souces (take your pick), even Fox News, you won't find any results more distorted and partisan than these. A complete joke!
Shady Vance was a wolf in sheep’s clothing… make no mistake if Trump is elected say goodbye to American democracy. So sad that these folks were fooled but that’s why Vance was picked….
Our "democracy" was tainted the moment a COUP was put into place when Kamela was forced upon the public as a candidate who never got a SINGLE vote from anyone!
@@2020sII Argument? What’s there to argue about? Walz is an abject failure and a complete loon. His own family is voting for Trump…thats says allot about Walz !
@@ptv1250trump is too dumb and ill disciplined to make it as a circus clown. He would be better placed as a janitor. Then he can’t bankrupt any more businesses.
@@TBrl8😂😂😂But I bet you’d love to have his money, his wife and his life. Trump isn’t standing up in my wedding, I don’t care if he sends mean tweets or says obnoxious comments. What I care about are his policies and was I better off then more so than now! The answer is yes I was…
Wow !! If that's true, seniors are sick puppies and want to end up homeless too like EVERYONE else !! Talk about masochist ?? I think "seniors" should quit worrying obsessively about their Medicare and look into getting some serious psychiatric help !! Aw, ☹️☹️ maybe Medicare doesn't cover massive amounts of psychiatric care ?? Again : aw, ☹️☹️, them not receiving this kind of help could hurt us all !! They might go cuckoo any second ???? It's always Democrats that go bonkers, after all, it was a Democrat, John Wilkes Booth who shot Republican Abraham Lincoln !! Check it out !! So many seniors are coming down with Alzheimer's too, perhaps this issue could be affecting them, no ?? I mean, if you can't think you will make faulty mental decisions, am I correct !! By the way : January Sixth was of course, brought to you by Nancy Pelosi and friends, Schumer, so on !! REAL ETHICAL !! 😆😆😅😅😂😂🤣🤣 0:03
Vance is the real Chameleon a man who got up there and spoke well but hes really not going to go against project 2025 either however Walz spoke with compassion and experience not constant lies and fear mongering
LOL ............ JD didn't actually answer 6 questions, he slimmed around them, Walz actually won on honesty. JD lost in the last minutes. Election denial all over again.
@@dennisterrill2434 why did you lie about IVF? Why did you lie about your rank? Why did you lie about going to war? Why did you lie about your DUI? “I grew up middle class”
Walz didn’t answer many questions too lied the one about abortion in the 9th month a lied about hongkong visit and Trump tax. He even called himself a knucklehead. You can deny all you want but it’s Trumps race to lose
@@kevinpreston5590 He said that he never advocated for a national abortion ban, yet during his run for senate, he said that he "...would like abortion to be illegal nationally.”
Tim lied the whole time and would have lied even more if they would have asked him questions the American people actually care about because climate change definitely isn’t one of them.
@@Doogle999 It’s not a false portrayal when you simply show what someone says, as when Vance ended his debate by refusing to admit that his boss lost in 2020 or that Trump did his best to repeal the ACA (which John McCain prevented).
There is not proof or or analyst talking. He lost so u come up with nonsense nobody is talking about..not CNN or any other dem run media. Outlet. So u can be alone in that conspiracy. Yup. Loosing sucks ..sry.
Back up your claims. Funny you accuse Vance of being a fraud when you are voting for a candidate that was installed without a single vote from an American citizen, who has flip-flopped on everything she once stood for. Your hypocrisy and TDS is laughable.
why is it shocking that people are surprised we can have a civil debate? The only reason we havent - is because 9 years ago Trump took over the party and decided that civility, political norms and institutions mean nothing after 250 years. He decided to be as ugly and dishonest as a politician can be and sadly he was rewarded for it.
People changing their minds because someone behaved on camera one day is laughable. It’s called acting. Vance knew his pushback wasn’t working so he mirrored Waltz’s style. We’re so easily manipulated. 😂
Vance' closing statement was enough for me. I have never been a huge fan of Trump personally, but I know he is way better for our country than what Kamala could ever hope to be. I still cant believe she is the best the Dems can come up with. We are better as a country than that. At least I would hope.
Yeah he's the Governor that put Tampons in grade school boys bathrooms I didn't know that the boys in grade school in Minnesota needed Tampons Is there something wrong in the water or the food there ?????
What debate was that first focus group watching? There is no reality in which Vance came out ahead, and Walz wasn't nervous; he was passionate. Vance did a Mike Pence sleaze-through. Didn't offer one solution to one single problem. Just blame, blame, blame and tell us the felon saved Obamacare! We don't want some polished, smooth-talking, used car salesman. We want someone with overwhelmingly successful experience as a governor.
Walz was absolutely nervous. He did relax after a while, but he looked downright frightened at the beginning. The campaign had even said beforehand that he was nervous. By the way, you can be passionate and nervous at the same time.
The vote is for Trump or Harris not Vance or Walz. Also the fact they had a civil debate was refreshing but it doesn’t change the fact Trump is the leader of that party and as an independent voter I will never vote for a racist grifter like him. If they want to tell Trump to drop out now and make Vance the candidate that’s their choice but we know that isn’t happening.
I'm a 52 year old Mexican I'm more then ever convinced that Trump & Vance will do a way better job leading our country out of a dark time . TRUMP VANCE 2024 🇺🇸
@@goldwingerppg5953 lol...polls show nobody cares about that dem invented, fake "insurrection". It was a riot that a tiny percentage of that crowd took part in that day, against Trumps instructions to be peaceful. He also tried to get national guard there that day to protect the Capitol and Nacy Pelosi declined. Fake issue, nobody cares, despite dems desperate attempts to spin it. LOL
It's amazing how civil people can be 1) when face to face and not on social media, and 2) when DJT is not in the room. Please, Republicans, move on from this cancer named Trump and MAGA so we can start working on a bipartisan basis again. Not every issue needs to be an outrage and an opportunity for divisiveness.
Walz is an idiot. We in minnesota want him to be the VP just so we can get rid of him locally. But no-way will I vote for the Kamala since she didn't get even 1 delegate. They should have stayed with Biden.
Vance said for followers to “circle the wagons and load the muskets,” and describes the head of Project 2025's ideas as an “essential weapon” in the “fights that lay [sic] ahead.” Vance will help tear apart the government. He has said that "most of the American life and culture should be ripped out like a tumor". He agrees with Curtis Yarvin true politics, that "if America wants to get rid of government, they have to get rid of their dictator phobia."
The only thing Vance has over Walz is vance has the ability to lie in an educated way that went over the heads of the msga base. Smooth lies are still lies.
No he won't. He's running scared and would be an easy target to get riled up. It would be hilarious.. We'd get another, "They're eating the pets.." moment. 🤣🤣🤣
Like how he lied about being in Tiananmen Square? Oh wait, that was the same guy with the DUI who lied about going to war, lied about his rank, lied about being a coach, and lied about using IVF.
What about the lies from Walz? What about the "fact check" from the mods that Vance tried to explain why they were wrong and they cut his mic off. Yeah. Mod: "Governor Walz What do you think of Senator Vances response" Walz "I am friends with school shooters." Mod "Senator Vance What do you think about Governor Walz's claim." Vance "I think....." Mod: "Sorry Senator we have a lot to get through."
@@BeatMedicare Yep and Like he lied that Jan 6, was a Peaceful Transition of Power? Oh wait, that was the same guy , who lied and said, he didn’t say,,it should be a national abortion ban, lied that LEGAL immigrants were eating pets. Lied that trump won the Election, Lied Trump work in a bipartisan way to ensure that the Americas had access to the ACA. Lied about Walz not being a coach, lied that having better doors with locks will fix school shootings. Oooh wait, Trump and Vance said, these lies🙄🤦🏼♂
It’s bogus to say that either won. The country needs facts, not the appearance of confidence. The country is who the candidates are meant to serve. If you asked a surgeon to operate on you would you go by his skills as a surgeon or by his appearance of confidence? As someone who’s had 2 open heart surgeries, I only cared that my surgeon could do his job well. The criteria that people are using to decide to be president is what got Trump in the first place. He looked knowledgeable but as soon as he was tested he failed on everything. We need a better way to test these candidates than what we have right now.
Let’s be honest, Waltz dropped the ball last night . He had so many missed opportunities . He did ok but not great . JD is weird but very smart . Shapiro would have been a better match .
He did. Just because the truth doesn’t fit your narrative, doesn’t make it less true. Calm, collected and genuine JD Vance ripped your candidate a new one and your doing damage control. Don’t respond unless you’re actually going to name one specific lie, instead of your lame duck “ alternative facts” line.
@michaelriley1531 Vance lied. Vance tiptoes around real questions. Border issue was created by trump as to not let legislation pass. Trump DIDNT try to save Obamacare. Trump DIDNT hand over power peacefully. Stfu.
It's kind of odd to point out Walz not answering questions when Vance didn't even answer about a third of the questions. This just tells me all those people in those focus groups are ignorant.
Yeah, when the Democrat moderators have to ask the Democrat candidate 2 questions about 2 specific lies you've told ad nauseam you know your battleship is sunk.Vance issued Walz an old fashioned throttling.
You mean about the J6 FBI plants and Pelosi saying it was her responsibility? There's a few of the specifics and there are more. And Biden's mental state has been great for the last three and a half years, and the Russia! Russia Russia hoax and there's no laptop, Bidenomics are working, there's no problem at the border and on and on and on. How delusionally ignorant can you get? Don't you ever go outside? @@makebawatson3264
So basically the bar was SO LOW for vance, set by his own terrible public performances so far, that the tiniest display of basic civility was enough to impress some in spite of the consistent lies and non-answers seen in the debate? WOW! What the hell happened to this world? We need to beat idiocracy and fast.
It was SO nice to see a civil, policy heavy debate! Not saying who I think won or lost although I have a strong opinion on it. I just wanted to say it was nice to see potential leaders being polite and professional.
For me as a vote….. last night showed me one guy is a Chamaeleon and a plus BSer. And the other guy is a kind, genuine human being, who doesn’t hide who he really is. JD puts on a good show but that right there just prove to me the man’s a Chamaeleon creature. And we all know what chameleon creatures are capable of we’ve all seen MONSTERS INC. I can assume. I don’t trust people that are two-faced chameleon creatures, we need honesty and caring in the White House along with a strong hand. Which I trust the prosecutor to have a strong hand, but a strong hand needs a voice of reason, I think Tim is a good balance to her forcefulness. You have to have that as a prosecutor.
If you dont like chamaeleons, you cant possibly vote for Kamachameleon. She's pretending to change most of her core political values right before the election. lol
Oh right, because lying about when you were in China during pivotal world events, and lying about your military service don't count as real lies RIGHT?! You people just name call without any evidence. Thankfully most of us are smarter than that.
Right, so the entire democrat establishment lies about Biden's competency, then scrambles, then pushes someone into the election who never won the primary, uses the media to cover up their schemes, weaponizes the DOJ, and you think your party isn't full of "smooth" liars? Socialists are liars at the core and the truth will always be revealed.
Poor uneducated MAGA, can't even come up with their own lines. All they can do is project back what is describing Convict Trump. Dementia Donnie has a rotting brain but what is your excuse?
Moderators asking him a rhetorical question about the past is a waste of time..nothing fatal about it. It's a hypothetical question as well. It's like if the find better ways to cheat with mail in ballots will you accept the results. Let's move on from that. Pelosi pulled back the national guard and Trump asked for peaceful protest. Yet him the threat to Democracy. So phoney
Ignore Luntz at your peril. It doesn't matter that Vance lied and that his actual views weren't represented. He performed the way he needed to send the right message.
LOL Vance never made himself look bad. You’re never ending attacks in painted an ugly narrative of him. Big difference. Vance proved last night that YOU were lying, as always. And if he were what you paint him to be, you wouldn’t need to rely on a tweet from 3 yrs ago to attack him every day
Wow, they managed to get all 14 of the undecided voters left in the country on the same zoom call!
These are fake independent voters.
An open call for self-described undecided with zero verification that they really are. Luntz is a MAGA stooge,
Hahaha bingo
Right! Unbelievable
I respect undecided voters . They don’t follow the crowd and do their research . Trump / Vance 2024 🎉
Independent doesn’t care about January 6 because if they were they would be not undecided
It takes more than a bunch of whackos messing up some office furniture to convince me democracy is under attack.
People with common sense don't care about j 6.
J6 was an FBI / pelosi staged event
I’m Independent and I didn’t need January 6, to know Trump was Dangerous and unfit….I wasn’t Undecided then and Not Now. Harris/Walz. 💙🙏
@@makebawatson3264 agree I misspoke 😉
I meant UNDECIDED voters
Independents has already made their choice
Some will vote red some blue
Why is there no disclaimer that Luntz is a Republican, "communication specialist," who worked for Newt Gingrich? This was presented as an objective piece of journalism and Luntz isn't a journalist and IS a hard core, partisan Republican. This is just propaganda and I'm beginning to wonder about CNN's agenda.
Hahahahahaha lol yes let that not taking anything away from the fantastic journalism that CNN usually dose… get the *uck out of here
Well I ran a DNC funded focus group last night, 100 people , 32 registered Democrats 26 Republicans and 42 independents . 54 woman, 48 women (15 of the 18 Dem) all 14 Republican women and 20 of the 22 Independent women .................All said Walz was Creepy , 77 of 100 total thought JD won the debate , 7 of the 9 undecided (2 REP,2 DEM and 3 IND,) all said They are most likely voting for Trump after watching this debate..
Not only is he a partisan, he’s a really shoddy pollster who predicted a big red wave in 2022.
CNN has been into right wing propaganda for a long time. Not to mention inviting zionists to give their "objective analysis" on middle east shit.
That isn't true at all, and Luntz is no Trump fan either. A disclaimer for what? His political party doesn't matter, this is his business and what he does. You have alot of nerve complaining about a focus group when every moderator that has done a debate in 2024 has been a Democrat??? Come on! Frank Luntz is fair and he hides nothing, you just heard from the people themselves. Grow up!
Undecided in 2024 must mean gullible or unable to consider info critically if this is a tough choice.
It means not understanding how the economy functions or the definition of tariffs to me
The economy is the problem that the left wont address because they’re promising all of our money towards wars they act like dick cheney joining them is a good thing they should have silently taken that money hes a war monger it shows with his party switch the change in partys the left is now the party of war and corporations the thing they were completely against 20 years ago a party change has happened the right is the party of peace and the left is now the party of war ukraine palastine and now iran and israel next is going to be china and India because of the usa being silent on china bullying bhutan taking over their borders and ignoring their sovereignty to encroach on the chickens neck territory of india that would divide the west and east there id taken over causing massive instability in major trade routes in asia this would legitimately start world war 3 multiple nuclear powers fighting at once isnt going to end well besides for the globalists who aim to depopulate the earth we need to vote for trump the marxists aren’t going to rule they are just a tool their using to gain total control for them like iran funding terror is the same as globalists funding Marxists to overthrow the systems
@@HanTheProphetmaking companies who profit off of importing products made with borderline slave labor and undercutting American jobs and industry isn’t ok
@@Ten2More the left legit lost they wont address why they’re so scared of free speech tim walz pretty much said you dont have a right to free speech
Did you see the 'Undecideds' that CNN showed. They are bizarre people. And sadly that's a lot of the electorate.
Can we just agree how polite and civil the debate was this was a pre 2016 debate it was so great let's have more debates like that.
Also noted how civil the 2 female commentators were as well. Hopefully it's a trend that we see more of.
@@gforcekarasthey were biased as hell. They tried to Fact Check Vance and he put them in their place and they shut off his mic. Obviously, they didn't get the memo about fact checking despite the instructions in the beginning. Walz lied 5 times and they did nothing to stop him.
I also like that it was civil.
@@gforcekaras huhhh, 🤔🤔
I think fact checking is important. Seemed to upset Vance that they called him out on a lie.
These undecided vote will never be satisfied. Every time they get something answered theyvwant something else. Frank you and your voice can go away.
This is sad bc Trump his supporters don't even understand how an election works undecided voters make a huge percentage of an election. But maga loves to claim voters fraud but can't give any evidence
Why!!! because his not saying what you want to hear....
@MrChillidee Because he can't talk. Undecided voters have a luxury that many people don't.
how can anyone be "undecided" at this point?
Here's how everyone should describe or explain JD Vance:
1. You have a big party or a raver at a huge house, and you have group one in the right corner that hates Trump, JD Vance walks over and agrees that he hates Trump.
2. There's group two in the right corner, they love Trump, JD Vance walks over to them and says he loves Trump:
3. There's group three upstairs, they're independent and don't have an opinion; JD Vance walks up to them and says he has no idea about anything Trump did or does.
4. You have the party's Host; they're radical and want to destroy the party and have fun and take control of a raging party. JD Vance walks over to them and says whatever he has to do to be invited back to the party.
In the Webster's Dictionary there should be a picture of JD Vance for this definition:
Someone tries to get close to someone by excessively agreeing with them, it's often called "brown-nosing" or "people-pleasing" This is dangerous and these people should be avoided and stopped and called out every second of the day.
Amen🙏
What is Vance not allowed to change his opinion on something he said I mean Obama used to say marriage was between man and woman only he also used to take climate change seriously until he moved to his private island in Hawaii
Hhhhmmmmmmm more like Kamala saying things pragmaticly and tossing her radically leftist agenda just to get elected 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So lying lying lying and supporting insurrection means he won?
“Why did you lie about being in Tiananmen Square?”
“I grew up in the middle class.”
😂 Hey you let some ppl remain in their delusion.
@@BeatMedicareKeep fluffing
@@allenmckinney2082 your daddy gave gives you a booster shot every night.
@@allenmckinney2082 name one heterosexual male that votes democrat.
You’re a bunch of weirdos that tried to be women.
"Undecided" voters are people who know that one candidate is unfit but are embarrassed to say that they plan to vote for him. It's telling that I don't have to tell you which candidate that is.
You mean they fear the Trump hate reaction from the left if they admit they are voting for Trump. Dont blame them.
One candidate is male and the other is female. You reference gender so you indicated who you referred to. That’s what was telling about your statement not the merit of it.
@@masonh9200
Yes, and my point stands. One person is unfit due to numerous reasons and you know why. Is your favorite number 34?
@@4kstar-ve3hm the number 34 has no significance to me
Frank luntz undecided focus groups are always right leaning or Republicans for some strange reason
This just shows how little these people have paid attention. Pathetic. Vance walked away from all of his own extreme positions and statements which he has staunchly defended previously though trying to reframe many of them inadequately.
You just described Harris perfectly…..literally ran away from every position she had in 2019.
@@fishguyjordan31Five years ago as opposed to five minutes ago…OK. 😂
@@LH1272 they bring up Vance’s comments about Trump from 2016 all the time. So what time frame works for you indecisive clowns 😂?
@@LH1272 Actually it's not much more than five minutes ago. She changed her positions after Biden was forced out.
Walz was a disaster. Vance is intelligent and very well spoken. He smoked Walz.
They think one debate humanized Vance after hundreds of disgusting comments on the campaign trail and in interviews. America has such a memory issue. Vance is still a snake. He just slithered into some new skin for one night.
Womp womp
A snake in what way? He was spitting facts. The left can't handle blunt truth.
So kamala is still a communist... And tim is a tampon , so your point..
TRUMP/VANCE! Get some help for tds you are going to need it LOL
snake means traitor right? Did JD stab a friend behind his back? Not understanding your comment.
He lied all the way.
Share one lie.
@Rachel-er5tl you have a young man teaching Vance civic lesson, a yale dragged queen graduate.
@@Rachel-er5tl He said he was in China,,,
Luntz is as believable as Vance. In other words, NOT AT ALL.
About as believable as that rug on his head
Walz was caught in numerous lies, wake up
@@KleWdSideDems are coping hard.😂😂All the polls say Vance won the debate. All the focus groups say Vance won the debate. Period. Try coping harder....
@@timothylee2772. Totally agree. Vance is crazy good. Vance 2028
JD Vance had his sheep’s clothing on don’t let him fool you he is a wolf😮 anybody who’s undecided does not want democracy. The choices you put a dictator in the office for life and you lose all of your freedoms you lose all of the guard rails you lose your choices for everything school families, healthcare religion, right to live right to marry! You choose the other side, you get democracy you get the rule of law you get to vote and you have a voice
The heart wants truth or pride
@@4dogs999 fear mongering and straw manning how will voting for trump get us anywhere near there and please dont say “project 2025” propaganda line lets have an actual conversation on how we get from day one in office to him turning into hitler because i dont reallt get how were heading to that conclusion
Lmfao you probably cry tears of joy if your son comes home and says mommy I want to be a girl
@@queenestaq.m.7290 censorship is real how manny comments did u delete off the top comment cnn censor boy ?
Geez, either momma never loved you or you just have a dark heart
Anyone watching this can see that this isn't a group of undecided voters. Nine middle-age blue collar white men, 1 black guy, and 4 women, all without college-degrees. This is as ridiculous as it gets. This clearly demonstrates how desperate this situaiton has become for Frank Luntz and for Trump supporters. If one looks at the post-debate results from any other souces (take your pick), even Fox News, you won't find any results more distorted and partisan than these. A complete joke!
If left channels are claiming that Vance won the debate. Get over it
Seems like the common issue is Trump. Take him out of the equation and everyone magically gets along. Go figure
Nobody wants to vote for Kumswala
The problem is uneducated liberal citizens who vote Democrat and destroy the country
There's that violent rhetoric from the left that led to two assassination attempts.
Take him out? Hoping for a third attempt I see.
I saw Trump on that Stage, he was able to put his same lies into sentences. He was very much so in that equation. 😂😂
I have to admit, I was completely wrong about Vance. Dude is a absolute killer.
So was I
He’ll be a terrific VP.
Absolute liar GTFOH you was voting for the FELON no matter what
😂😂 The kind on a Lifetime Movie. 😂
@@sherbstone don't you mean absolute knucklehead?
Shady Vance was a wolf in sheep’s clothing… make no mistake if Trump is elected say goodbye to American democracy. So sad that these folks were fooled but that’s why Vance was picked….
Oh come on, trump is in its last term. Do u think he will be a dictator at 80?
And then Trump uses fear?
Our "democracy" was tainted the moment a COUP was put into place when Kamela was forced upon the public as a candidate who never got a SINGLE vote from anyone!
@@pnthrillzThe Germans took your apathetic stance in the 30’s. Read history to find out what happened.
You really eat up the propaganda the left wing media feeds you, don’t you? Trump2024
Frank luntz LMFAOOOOOOO go home
Cope much? Walz is a clown show. Only thing missing is the red nose and floppy shoes.
@@ptv1250typical insults instead of arguments
@@2020sII Argument? What’s there to argue about? Walz is an abject failure and a complete loon. His own family is voting for Trump…thats says allot about Walz !
@@ptv1250trump is too dumb and ill disciplined to make it as a circus clown. He would be better placed as a janitor. Then he can’t bankrupt any more businesses.
@@TBrl8😂😂😂But I bet you’d love to have his money, his wife and his life.
Trump isn’t standing up in my wedding, I don’t care if he sends mean tweets or says obnoxious comments.
What I care about are his policies and was I better off then more so than now!
The answer is yes I was…
January 6th is the main issue for seniors who left trump to vote for Harris.
CHARACTER MATTERS MOST FOR THEM.
Cry about Jan 6 much
Wow !! If that's true, seniors are sick puppies and want to end up homeless too like EVERYONE else !! Talk about masochist ?? I think "seniors" should quit worrying obsessively about their Medicare and look into getting some serious psychiatric help !! Aw, ☹️☹️ maybe Medicare doesn't cover massive amounts of psychiatric care ?? Again : aw, ☹️☹️, them not receiving this kind of help could hurt us all !! They might go cuckoo any second ???? It's always Democrats that go bonkers, after all, it was a Democrat, John Wilkes Booth who shot Republican Abraham Lincoln !! Check it out !! So many seniors are coming down with Alzheimer's too, perhaps this issue could be affecting them, no ?? I mean, if you can't think you will make faulty mental decisions, am I correct !! By the way : January Sixth was of course, brought to you by Nancy Pelosi and friends, Schumer, so on !! REAL ETHICAL !! 😆😆😅😅😂😂🤣🤣 0:03
Not for me. You don’t speak for all seniors.
Yea like presidents Bob Dole and Mitt Romney,,oh wait.
Democrats for Trump.
Vance is the real Chameleon a man who got up there and spoke well but hes really not going to go against project 2025 either however Walz spoke with compassion and experience not constant lies and fear mongering
They literally asked him why he lied about visiting China and he panicked because HE LIED!
Walz lies and mispeaks all the time. He was nervous as hell as well. Walz was WAY over his head.
You are not a good judge of character, apparently.
Walz has boldfaced lied about his military service as well as his time in China. God give us eyes to see and ears to hear.
If your do homework..Trump has nothing to do with project 2025 which in itself if fear mongering fake news
LOL ............ JD didn't actually answer 6 questions, he slimmed around them, Walz actually won on honesty. JD lost in the last minutes. Election denial all over again.
“What did you lie about being in Tiananmen Square?”
“I grow up middle class”
Such an honest guy. He’s a pathological liar.
Exactly
@@dennisterrill2434 why did you lie about IVF? Why did you lie about your rank? Why did you lie about going to war? Why did you lie about your DUI?
“I grew up middle class”
Yes, Walz was 100% honest when he said that he is a Knucklehead🤷♀️
Walz didn’t answer many questions too lied the one about abortion in the 9th month a lied about hongkong visit and Trump tax. He even called himself a knucklehead. You can deny all you want but it’s Trumps race to lose
The panel didn't say anything about the lies Vance were telling. How rational was that panel?
What lies
@@kevinpreston5590 do your own homework
@@kevinpreston5590 He said that he never advocated for a national abortion ban, yet during his run for senate, he said that he "...would like abortion to be illegal nationally.”
@@ProlificSpider but did he ever introduce a national ban. And if there is one introduce or passed, it would be as Unconstitutional as Roe v Wade
@@2freakout the response someone gives when they have no idea what they are talking about or are intellectually lazy
Vance was poised, practiced, and an obvious liar.
Boo Hoo 😢 for you.
Really? What did he lie about?
@@PjDurkin-m9s LOL - a riveting comment!
@@spadams999 Thank You Thank You. I try.
Tampon Tim called himself a Knucklehead which is true. 😂😂😂
CNN Completely overlook how much Vance lied which makes Vance a big loser
go cry somewhere else
Tim lied the whole time and would have lied even more if they would have asked him questions the American people actually care about because climate change definitely isn’t one of them.
Imagine judging someone by how they aren’t as big of a deebag for one night 😂😂😂😂 America is lost
The mere fact that people saw such a divide between debate Vance and campaign Vance just underscores what a morally vacuous chameleon Vance truly is.
Exactly!
Or it goes to show that the media did everything to portray him as something he’s not. What you saw on stage is the true JD Vance.
You people are so far gone.
@@Doogle999 It’s not a false portrayal when you simply show what someone says, as when Vance ended his debate by refusing to admit that his boss lost in 2020 or that Trump did his best to repeal the ACA (which John McCain prevented).
Tiananman Tampon Tim has my vote🎉🎉🎉🎉
It was a 50/50 debate where no household pets were injured..
Always remember, Frank Luntz predicted an enormous red wave in 2022. It was a puddle.
GOP won the popular vote and the House of representatives.
Oh please. Vance was only laying the groundwork for a 2028 bid to take on Kamala. Pure opportunist to the core.
There is not proof or or analyst talking. He lost so u come up with nonsense nobody is talking about..not CNN or any other dem run media. Outlet. So u can be alone in that conspiracy. Yup. Loosing sucks ..sry.
Vance all of a sudden was a different person because he's a fraud. He's already proven who he is.
100%. Jusr smooth talking lier. Everything he stated was bs
Very intelligent and very well spoken. He crushed Walz.
The "Fraud" is the media's portrayal of Vance prior to last night.
Back up your claims. Funny you accuse Vance of being a fraud when you are voting for a candidate that was installed without a single vote from an American citizen, who has flip-flopped on everything she once stood for. Your hypocrisy and TDS is laughable.
@@matthewdemars3201Name one lie from vance?
You are sane washing Vance. Stop the incompetent journalism
Walz was doing that most of the night, they got along great
You must mean COMPETENT journalism ?? Competent doesn't mean journalism goes along with whatever libtards say, lol, funny stuff !!!! 0:03
come join us in actual reality. use your own eyes and brain and you might realize the truth.
Wolf in sheep clothing.
why is it shocking that people are surprised we can have a civil debate? The only reason we havent - is because 9 years ago Trump took over the party and decided that civility, political norms and institutions mean nothing after 250 years. He decided to be as ugly and dishonest as a politician can be and sadly he was rewarded for it.
People changing their minds because someone behaved on camera one day is laughable. It’s called acting. Vance knew his pushback wasn’t working so he mirrored Waltz’s style. We’re so easily manipulated. 😂
Vance was Trump, just able to create the lies into sentences 🙄
Like Kamala 1 time performance on the debate despite all the disasterous interviews every other time she opened her mouth with word salads!
DJT JDV RFK ELON TULIS 2024
Ahahahah the seething is REAL
Wow you Yt dudes for Harris better lay off the horsemax
Vance's performance last night was just that - a performance. Law of averages tells you that last night was not the REAL Vance.
Exactly! He's a walking sham!
Yep, he was Trump, with the same lies, put into sentences.
Walz got his ass handed to him
Walz was so bad, you can’t even call it a performance.
Vance' closing statement was enough for me. I have never been a huge fan of Trump personally, but I know he is way better for our country than what Kamala could ever hope to be. I still cant believe she is the best the Dems can come up with. We are better as a country than that. At least I would hope.
Vance can go back to being a hillbilly when he loses.
You can continue to be a hateful, clueless, woke fool when Trump/Vance win.
Calling people hillbilly makes you feel
Better
@@tacodon607 I'm sorry. I'll call him a redneck instead 🤣
There are so many disqualifying things about the Trump ticket. Why are there still undecided voters? Makes little sense
The alternative is Kamala Harris and this clown Tim Walz who I don’t think could run my local grocery store
🔴 Watlz talked about Minnesota like 20 or more times. Not everyone lives in that state.
Yeah he's the Governor that put Tampons in grade school boys bathrooms
I didn't know that the boys in grade school in Minnesota needed Tampons
Is there something wrong in the water or the food there ?????
There are no undecided voters in America.
Vance answered zero questions truthfully.
They are ALL liars. Still don't understand that?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cope
@@williamh4172 Lincoln probably lied. But hopefully people can see the difference between Lincoln and Nixon.
Walz’s only honest answer was that he is a Knucklehead.
What debate was that first focus group watching? There is no reality in which Vance came out ahead, and Walz wasn't nervous; he was passionate. Vance did a Mike Pence sleaze-through. Didn't offer one solution to one single problem. Just blame, blame, blame and tell us the felon saved Obamacare! We don't want some polished, smooth-talking, used car salesman. We want someone with overwhelmingly successful experience as a governor.
🤦🏽♀️ what debate did you watch?.
@stephaniecarcamo1980 the same one you did, Vance is a shameless liar. I'd be surprised if he meant even 10% of what he said.
Walz was absolutely nervous. He did relax after a while, but he looked downright frightened at the beginning. The campaign had even said beforehand that he was nervous. By the way, you can be passionate and nervous at the same time.
Tim did a great job.
At what looking like a deer in the headlights??
Said no station. ...
JD Dunce is a slick liar!!
Who in a sane mind can believe that Vance won?!)
How embarrassed you must be to admit that you're a dem man. Lol
He would have had a shot if he answered more questions.
No way in hell you think waltz won you are in the minority
Timmy spent more time agreeing with Vance 😂, Tim may be a dim-o-crat , but he's voting republican!!!😂😂😂
Well if you think timpon won, you are delusional!!
All it takes is lying smoothly through one debate and people seem to forget all the crude sick things you said the day before.
The vote is for Trump or Harris not Vance or Walz. Also the fact they had a civil debate was refreshing but it doesn’t change the fact Trump is the leader of that party and as an independent voter I will never vote for a racist grifter like him. If they want to tell Trump to drop out now and make Vance the candidate that’s their choice but we know that isn’t happening.
But you voted for racist, segregationist Biden right?
Who cares. Many independent voters will Trump
I'm voting for Trump because he doesn't care about race.
The current Dems are the most racist, identity politics party of all time.
I'm a 52 year old Mexican I'm more then ever convinced that Trump & Vance will do a way better job leading our country out of a dark time . TRUMP VANCE 2024 🇺🇸
Bogus panel, no credibility
Getting rid of Trump is MAGA important. 💙 #BoycottTesla
Naw, we prefer Trumps peace and prosperity.
@@donkey3187Um J6.
@@goldwingerppg5953 lol...polls show nobody cares about that dem invented, fake "insurrection". It was a riot that a tiny percentage of that crowd took part in that day, against Trumps instructions to be peaceful. He also tried to get national guard there that day to protect the Capitol and Nacy Pelosi declined. Fake issue, nobody cares, despite dems desperate attempts to spin it. LOL
It's amazing how civil people can be 1) when face to face and not on social media, and 2) when DJT is not in the room. Please, Republicans, move on from this cancer named Trump and MAGA so we can start working on a bipartisan basis again. Not every issue needs to be an outrage and an opportunity for divisiveness.
The coping in the comment section is incredible.
"Coping"? Vance is a liar who fakes different persona's, and it was obvious in the debate
Did the teenagers change the definition of a word again?
Walz is an idiot. We in minnesota want him to be the VP just so we can get rid of him locally. But no-way will I vote for the Kamala since she didn't get even 1 delegate. They should have stayed with Biden.
He was a well spoken liar 😂
Wtf? Vance has always been this way! Why are they trying to convince you otherwise?! If they weren't critical of walz then they were idiots.
Vance said Donald Trump saved obamacare. Seriously??? 😂
Vance said for followers to “circle the wagons and load the muskets,” and describes the head of Project 2025's ideas as an “essential weapon” in the “fights that lay [sic] ahead.”
Vance will help tear apart the government. He has said that "most of the American life and culture should be ripped out like a tumor". He agrees with Curtis Yarvin true politics, that "if America wants to get rid of government, they have to get rid of their dictator phobia."
The only thing Vance has over Walz is vance has the ability to lie in an educated way that went over the heads of the msga base. Smooth lies are still lies.
Yeah waltz is a bad liar. The China visit he looked and said he could be a knuckleehead and he misepeeks ,No you didn't mispeek you lied
And the DUI, and the actively serving........
Right, 😂😂
All these people saying lies lies list zero lies XD
All these people saying lies lies list zero lies XD
I think Trump will do another debate now. There’s no way his ego will allow Vance to have the last word.
FALSE Tinkerbell 😂😂😂
No he won't. He's running scared and would be an easy target to get riled up. It would be hilarious..
We'd get another, "They're eating the pets.." moment. 🤣🤣🤣
fear will win out - he won't debate
He’s happy with the way jd redefined all his positions. Djt never looked so good. 😂
DJT is scraping close to burnout. Anyone watched his latest presser??
They are definitely not undecided voters!
What about the lies from Vance?
Like how he lied about being in Tiananmen Square?
Oh wait, that was the same guy with the DUI who lied about going to war, lied about his rank, lied about being a coach, and lied about using IVF.
What about the lies from Walz? What about the "fact check" from the mods that Vance tried to explain why they were wrong and they cut his mic off. Yeah.
Mod: "Governor Walz What do you think of Senator Vances response"
Walz "I am friends with school shooters."
Mod "Senator Vance What do you think about Governor Walz's claim."
Vance "I think....."
Mod: "Sorry Senator we have a lot to get through."
@@BeatMedicareYou're Buddy Vance also lied. Know you aint talking.
@@BeatMedicare Yep and Like he lied that Jan 6, was a Peaceful Transition of Power?
Oh wait, that was the same guy , who lied and said, he didn’t say,,it should be a national abortion ban, lied that LEGAL immigrants were eating pets. Lied that trump won the Election, Lied Trump work in a bipartisan way to ensure that the Americas had access to the ACA. Lied about Walz not being a coach, lied that having better doors with locks will fix school shootings. Oooh wait, Trump and Vance said, these lies🙄🤦🏼♂
@@Mech-730 so you condone lying if it’s your guy?
Whataboutism doesn’t excuse being a pathological liar.
It’s bogus to say that either won. The country needs facts, not the appearance of confidence. The country is who the candidates are meant to serve. If you asked a surgeon to operate on you would you go by his skills as a surgeon or by his appearance of confidence? As someone who’s had 2 open heart surgeries, I only cared that my surgeon could do his job well. The criteria that people are using to decide to be president is what got Trump in the first place. He looked knowledgeable but as soon as he was tested he failed on everything. We need a better way to test these candidates than what we have right now.
That’s because Vance practiced all his lying for weeks.
Himmler was said to be a charming and engaging fellow, too...oh, but his boss!
Let’s be honest, Waltz dropped the ball last night . He had so many missed opportunities . He did ok but not great . JD is weird but very smart . Shapiro would have been a better match .
Lunz is a conservative pollster, so what do you expect. Neutrality? 😂
I'm from Minneapolis and we aren't for Trump.
of course you are not, you are for rioting and burning down your city, so Walz is your Beta Man.
Is your wife’s two boyfriends for Trump though?
Voting red
That's okay, plenty of other people from Minneapolis are. I guess they got tired of watching their city get burned.
@@DavidJ2222We've been through this Comrade. You have to be a citizen to vote here :(
I love how that one guy said Vance had strong control of the facts. I guess he means alternative facts
These people are already idiots, so it’s not surprising they were swayed by a smooth-talking liar.
You a TDS sufferer?
I lost my mind when Vance said Trump tried to save Obama care
He did. Just because the truth doesn’t fit your narrative, doesn’t make it less true. Calm, collected and genuine JD Vance ripped your candidate a new one and your doing damage control. Don’t respond unless you’re actually going to name one specific lie, instead of your lame duck “ alternative facts” line.
@michaelriley1531 Vance lied. Vance tiptoes around real questions.
Border issue was created by trump as to not let legislation pass. Trump DIDNT try to save Obamacare. Trump DIDNT hand over power peacefully. Stfu.
Walz won. Get lost!!
You don't really believe that. That man looked like he wanted to cry...
Says no media outlet what so ever. We should coin a new term " debate denier-" wait no. Nevermind. That's silly
It's kind of odd to point out Walz not answering questions when Vance didn't even answer about a third of the questions. This just tells me all those people in those focus groups are ignorant.
Says the person voting for a governor who put Tampons in boys grade school bathrooms 😂
That’s why he’s a liar. Liar 🤥 that puppet master
Yeah, when the Democrat moderators have to ask the Democrat candidate 2 questions about 2 specific lies you've told ad nauseam you know your battleship is sunk.Vance issued Walz an old fashioned throttling.
FALSE Tinkerbell 😂😂😂
Trump was smart about 1 thing, You choose the right group to constantly Fool & Grift off of and It is Hilarious! I'm not giving any politician 💩
@@TRUMPWINS-m7r 😂😂😂-right back.. to the lost boy (PeterPan)
“Sincere and authentic” Are we living in the same world?
Vance was very good at lying and deflecting.
Lying about what? Be specific.
You're absolutely wrong, u liberal!
@@Tony-md7dk Stop It! You saw January 6, 2021. There’s the specifics. 🙄
You mean about the J6 FBI plants and Pelosi saying it was her responsibility? There's a few of the specifics and there are more. And Biden's mental state has been great for the last three and a half years, and the Russia! Russia Russia hoax and there's no laptop, Bidenomics are working, there's no problem at the border and on and on and on. How delusionally ignorant can you get? Don't you ever go outside? @@makebawatson3264
Jan 6th? National ban of abortion? There, so easy to be specific.@@Tony-md7dk
“He humanized himself and looked like a regular guy?!”👀🤦🏾♂️
But he lied, Walz won.
If lying disqualifies you, then Kamala is out after her debate.
Are you sure he didn't "mis-speak"? Walz was caught red-handed in a big lie, but that's okay with you right?
@@alil1971 Vance won't certify a free and fair election if his party lost, I'll take the mis-speak over the fall of democracy
Tampon Timmy
Tim literally admitted he lied.
So basically the bar was SO LOW for vance, set by his own terrible public performances so far, that the tiniest display of basic civility was enough to impress some in spite of the consistent lies and non-answers seen in the debate? WOW! What the hell happened to this world? We need to beat idiocracy and fast.
He won by highlighting the failures of the last 3.5 yrs. U see lies because u have been lied to yourself
In the Debate Tim Walz came off as wonky and unpolished... But factual, honest and trustworthy.
So at the top of the tickets, how can you equate Trump and VP Harris when we talk divisiveness?
Vance is smart and a smooth liar. That is why the head of Project 2025 worked so hard to advance him to be Trump's running mate.
Liars do not impress me.
Ya I dont like Tim either
Vance lied 4-5x more than Walz.
That's what does it for me. I despise liars such as Vance.
Measured!? Thoughtful!? Vance’s constant ridiculous lies hurt his perception. He couldn’t express 1 fully truthful sentence.
What lies????? Who got nothing clown.
Expect every media outlet agrees he won. Dem run republican all admit he won. Now your lying to yourself
I respect undecided voters . They don’t follow the crowd and they do their research . Trump / Vance 2024 🎉
It was SO nice to see a civil, policy heavy debate! Not saying who I think won or lost although I have a strong opinion on it. I just wanted to say it was nice to see potential leaders being polite and professional.
For me as a vote….. last night showed me one guy is a Chamaeleon and a plus BSer. And the other guy is a kind, genuine human being, who doesn’t hide who he really is. JD puts on a good show but that right there just prove to me the man’s a Chamaeleon creature. And we all know what chameleon creatures are capable of we’ve all seen MONSTERS INC. I can assume.
I don’t trust people that are two-faced chameleon creatures, we need honesty and caring in the White House along with a strong hand. Which I trust the prosecutor to have a strong hand, but a strong hand needs a voice of reason, I think Tim is a good balance to her forcefulness. You have to have that as a prosecutor.
If you dont like chamaeleons, you cant possibly vote for Kamachameleon. She's pretending to change most of her core political values right before the election. lol
Oh right, because lying about when you were in China during pivotal world events, and lying about your military service don't count as real lies RIGHT?! You people just name call without any evidence. Thankfully most of us are smarter than that.
Tim fell off the turnip truck😂 JD outclassed him👋 the coping of TDS is hilarious here
He is ANYthing BUT a regular guy
LOL, a smooth liar is still a liar! VOTE BULE and finally end the nightmare that is Trumpism and MAGA! 💙💙💙💙
Kamala was a poised liar in the first debate. Vote Trump/Vance!!!!
Right, so the entire democrat establishment lies about Biden's competency, then scrambles, then pushes someone into the election who never won the primary, uses the media to cover up their schemes, weaponizes the DOJ, and you think your party isn't full of "smooth" liars? Socialists are liars at the core and the truth will always be revealed.
Vance crushed walz. Wasn't close
Vance won. Majority of the polls online suggest likewise
It's irrelevant because who "won" is determinant based on who people thought was more loud or aggressive. On substance he was extremely weak.
@@zipzzo You “thought” wrong
Of course. And by a wide margin,
@@marcusarelius aw yeah your argument is bulletproof 🤙
A liar just like Vance
Blonde lady with the glasses is wrong. Vance ABSOLUTELY changed the minds of younger voters in particular, who tend to be more open minded
Trump is the laughing stock of the world. Americans want to be laughed at by every country? 😂
Just get over it. The U.S. was far better off when Trump was president.
Everyone is laughing at the Biden /Harris administration right now, where is Joe? Is he actually running the country??
That's fine by us. And we'll keep our money. All the best as you get invaded.
I really don't care what other countries think. You seem easily manipulated.
After the hard coaching from Bootygouge, Tim(Knucklehead) looked like he was in fear of losing his mud.
Vance won on style Walz on substance.
What substance? Vance answered the questions and Walz said things like "sometimes it's the guns! It's just the guns!" XD
Waltz said he hangs out with school shooters😂😂
Similar to Walz being friends with school shooters?
Simular to Walz being in the Square in China in 89 for the revolution?
@@Rachel-er5tlhe didn't answer any questions 😂😂 yall are pathetic
They only criticize Luntz because the results don’t favor their candidate. Simply sour grapes.
Vance was so on point. Walk was horrendous he said he was friends with school shooters. Mind blowing. Democrats for Trump.
Poor uneducated MAGA, can't even come up with their own lines. All they can do is project back what is describing Convict Trump. Dementia Donnie has a rotting brain but what is your excuse?
Spoken like one who has no truck with the truth.
If by on point you mean lying then yes he was very on point
Liar liar liar. JD lied right to their faces and they believed him.
However, Vance made the fatal mistake by not answering that key question from Waltz ‘did Trump lose the election?’……
Moderators asking him a rhetorical question about the past is a waste of time..nothing fatal about it. It's a hypothetical question as well. It's like if the find better ways to cheat with mail in ballots will you accept the results. Let's move on from that. Pelosi pulled back the national guard and Trump asked for peaceful protest. Yet him the threat to Democracy. So phoney
Ignore Luntz at your peril. It doesn't matter that Vance lied and that his actual views weren't represented. He performed the way he needed to send the right message.
LOL Vance never made himself look bad. You’re never ending attacks in painted an ugly narrative of him. Big difference. Vance proved last night that YOU were lying, as always.
And if he were what you paint him to be, you wouldn’t need to rely on a tweet from 3 yrs ago to attack him every day
Lol he literally lied on multiple questions 😂😂😂 you magats are so far outside reality is ridiculous