Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Prodigy 1.15 - Masquerade
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- Dal's origin revealed in this weeks Star Trek: Prodigy episode! Who is this kid?
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Another thing Jellico did right is telling Troi that if she's a Starfleet officer, she has to wear a uniform. Marina Sirtis loved that episode for this very reason; she HATED wearing those counselor outfits, ESPECIALLY the dreaded blue dress. She said the uniform was much more comfortable to wear.
Costuming (or the people who tell costuming what to putt on camera) really did a bad job if the military adjacent uniform is more comfortable than civilian clothes.
I blame the producers. They still wanted a sexualized Troi thus the costumes. This led writers to start treating her character as such. So much potential lost. Not to mention the poor handling of her psionic abilities. They reduced her from telepathy to empathy so as not to mess up murder mysteries. Babylon 5 handled telepaths in a much more logical fashion, I wish they applied to her.
@@bthsr7113 I believe Denise Okuda was the one to bring up a drinking game of sorts in terms of how many times we have the camera follow a female cast member as they bend down to go through a Jeffrey's tube or set up at the bottom of a ladder to watch them finish climbing down and happen to pass over their backside. It's startling once you are made aware of it.
@@rubaiyat300 So the Mass Effect animators were following in bad footsteps as opposed to merely being horny idiots.
Dal being an augment explains why when he was scanned at the communication outpost, there was the flag to contact star-fleet command, either because they still have the "Augment bad" mentality or because someone at star-fleet made him.
They still have the Augment bad mentality all the way up to Bashir's reveal on DS9, which isn't that far in the past from Prodigy
It's only starting to fade, but most of the laws banning free augmentation are still in effect. Pretty sure StarTrek Picard mentioned this in passing during the first season, but the comment was rather vague.
I don’t think that the the alarms were because he was an augment. Watching this vid I thought why not say “augment” when the outpost flips out. Why hide it… unless someone in Starfleet didn’t want people to know. And who has the ability to block access to Starfleet computers to their officers and so few morels that “combining some of the aliens that as a single individual gave entire ships a fight into the body of a teenager in the hopes of making a genetic super freak that would make Khan say ‘hmm, maybe genetic augmentation is a bad thing’?” Yes, this is Section 31 plot. They would have access to all these races and would have genetic scanners lock out the riff raff if they encountered him. I mean, they’d go “modest proposal” on the Irish if it was for the Federation’s own good. Playing God with godlike alien DNA is totally something they would do.
In addition to the "augment bad" mentality, they also at this point have gene-scanning devices in Starfleet buildings
I'm personally leaning towards someone at Starfleet having made him, but I can see both arguments for this.
Now that we know Dal is made from 27 different species, I will forever fondly be referring to Dal as Dr Pepper.
That would be even more apt if his genetic makeup had stopped at 23 species.... (he says glibly as he swigs another Dr Pepper)
I would prefer the term Heinz 57 myself.
Anyway, learning that Dal is just another Soong genetic experiment, that really took me out of this episode and Dal's overall backstory... An overall let down for me.
Dr pepper??
This comment gets an UP
Dal Pepper
I think that we're used to Janeway being her own boss in voyager. It makes sense to me that she acts differently as an admiral because now she has to answer to someone. It's the reason Kirk told Picard "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there, you can make a difference." It would be great to see Janeway in this show realize that.
I agree. And her vision is somewhat laser focused on finding her former First Officer. Her judgement is clearly compromised to a degree because of how close she is to this whole situation on a personal level.
More than that, though, as an admiral she carries a much greater weight of authority, which leaves her much less leeway. As a captain she could cross into the neutral zone and Starfleet could chalk it up to her going rogue, acting unilaterally. But as an admiral anything she does is going to be seen as Federation policy.
Surprised you didn't mention: the device Acensia uses to control her disguise is very obviously the same as Dal's implant.
Yeah. That Dr. is gonna need to be dealt with.
@@chukwudiilozue9171 Also, wasn't that Doctor a race that has appeared in Trek before? That face seemed very familiar. TNG? Perhaps on the viewscreen/face only?
@@CullenRick Her face looked very much like the being in the void that wanted to research mortality in TNG.
Nagilum
@@turtletrekker86 Thanks. I couldnt pull that name out of my void
Given his comment about being about to grow a third arm, I suspect Edosian is one of the species. The blue slime he generated may be due to inclusion of Founder DNA equivalent (which may have also acted as a genetic stabilizer)
The notion that Founder DNA could be used as a genetic stabilizer is interesting
Founder goo is a good thought. I assumed he was part whatever Murph is
@@todd-bomb9853 Wasn't Bashir researching something to that effect when he discovered that Odo was infected with the virus?
I think they're purposefully showing a difference in characterization between holo-Janeway and Admiral Janeway. Holo-J represents an infallible version of Janeway. She's a "living construct" of Janeway. The perfect idea of her.
Then you have vice-Admiral Janeway. She's real, she's human, she's imperfect. HoloJ runs the entire ship alone. VAJ needs help. They've given us the idea of Janeway and the woman behind the idea. It ties back into the theme of who people actually are vs who other people think they are.
It's been nearly a decade since Janeway was captain of Voyager. She was around mid-to-late 30s then, and is in her mid-to-late 40s now. I don't make decisions the same way I did 10 years ago, why should she? Sean bangs on about character growth all the time, but seems to not want it in Janeway. Growth isn't linear or one-directional. It's entirely possible for an older, wiser Janeway to also be meeker and more cautious after all.
@@QuintusAntonious vice- admiral Janeway is also VERY emotionally compromised due to Chakotay missing. No doubt losing someone in the same place you helped them escape before and with so much shared trauma would cause some emotional concerns. Her actions speak to those things affecting her decisions. It makes a lot of sense to me that she isn’t acting her usual self.
@@QuintusAntonious My thoughts exactly.
See holo-Leia Brahms vs real Leia Brahms...
Exactly. I think Endgame proves this point - Admiral Janeway in her timeline experienced such profound losses that she butts heads with Captain Janeway throughout the episode. The Admiral's experiences leads her to make choices that the Captain might not even consider...
The Q DNA could have come from either the time Q lost his powers and turned human, or the time Voyager found a Q frozen in a comet and died on Voyager.
There was also the girl who was a Q who for the longest time was believed to be Human.
or Q2 when Q found a Q descendant on the enterprise.
Or that one TNG episode with the Q raised as a human.
@@Fayanora Yup - Amanda Rogers. I think that is the most plausible one.
Why couldn't it be a sample of Riker's DNA from when he was given the powers of a Q? That makes the most sense to me, but then, all these answers make sense.
honestly just becuse its fun i would love to see dal try and use the Q powers get half way there do a little shutter and look confused "i saw everything in creation and its all balanced on the back of a giant koala"
Q DNA theory: "Amanda" (I forget her last name, she appeared in 1 episode of TNG), had a pair of Human parents. During the course of the episode, they revealed that her "Human" parents were actually former members of the Q Continuum. And DNA can be pretty much anything, not necessarily a blood sample. A single strand of hair, could be considered DNA. Maybe one of the Soong protegés obtained a hair from a hairbrush, congrats... Q DNA !
Blood from the space fork Guinan jammed into Q's hand when he lost his powers.
@@Cmdr1962 we know DATA has backdoor commands, he stole the flagship after all.
he had personal contact with Q, befriended Q, couldve easily had a background function to obtain biometric samples of powerful beings and transmit the samples to the current leading Soong
I mentioned this in another Q DNA comment... But couldn't it be a sample of Riker's DNA from when he was given the powers of a Q? Just my thought on it and that would be the easiest way to get it.
@@grumpus_hominidae just because had temporarily had Q powers doesn't mean it changed his DNA
Now THERE'S a Picard plot that would be interesting for an episode or two. The hunt for all the Augment makers infiltrating Starfleet. Who collected Amanda's DNA? Why would ANYONE want Vidiian DNA?
Asencia’s reveal makes sense.
There were hints in the last few episodes.
She suggested using the fluid to revive him. She knew how to talk to him. It’s like she knew his species’ biology well.
It should have been obvious from when she primed The Diviner with "There is no obstacle that you cannot overcome." I kicked myself during my current re-watch.
Dal’s animosity towards Okona reminds me of Rimmer’s jealousy towards Ace Rimmer in Red Dwarf 😂
What a guy.
@@AstriaStarwynd What a smeeeeegheeeeeed
Space elevator was also seen in Lower Decks' "The Least Dangerous Game."
I'm wondering how Daimon Nandi got a hold of Dal. Did she steal him from the Augment scientists, or did they trade him for something more nefarious?
Finally, no mention of Rok getting to do her first Science Officer's log (and Zero officially named Medical Officer)? Though Murf is the cutest Security Chief EVER.
"Though Murf is the cutest Security Chief EVER."
lol, indeed. Though apparently still a little unstable cause they still have him in a hamster ball, lest he kill again!
This is what happens when you have a team that are trekies and want to make a good show. My husband and I were worried when we found out it was a "kids" show but omg did they do a great job so far. Especially this last episode made me go "I've been spoiled by being able to binge watch shows". Can't wait for the next episode,
Prodigy is the best Star Trek show on TV right now, followed closely by Lower Decks, then Strange New Worlds, and followed distantly by Picard, and then followed so distantly that it hardly bears mentioning is the worst Star Trek show of all time, Discovery.
Brad is the best.
I love that Dal is essentially a walking talking epitome of the Federation! Hes the sum of so many alien races put together, for a show designed as a childs primer for Trek I think that’s inspired.
That's an interesting point. Granted, him being a test tube baby also has the Federation's hackles up in a knee jerk response, but there's an interesting dichotomy to be had there.
Minor spoiler: it was great to see that exact line used in the season finale.
Similar to how the raven got so far into the delta quadrant, I’m assuming some of soongs apprentices may have gotten out that far. As far as the DNA samples goes, it’s possible they could’ve found a downed borg cube that contained all of that information seeing how widespread they are
*good theory there...very plausible*
I think that, after the events of "Chain of Command," Starfleet gave Jelico a medal.
There's lots of surprises in this episode, Dal is a Human Augment, Murf can now shift shape, Drednok is back, Ascencia is a Vau N'Akat infiltrator, and the Tal Shiar just let Okona go, just like that.
Okona just took off, no surprise they weren’t after him. I could see them grabbing him after the Protostar got away, though
I can't believe Ronny Cox is still around. I remember him most from Robocop when I was a kid in the 80s. Loved the cameo when I saw that. I was like "what...!? Ronny Cox!?" Also loved how they brought Ocana back too lol. I saw the Voyager model instantly.
As in a David Tennant's WHAT?¿ And yes Ed Jellico was an Admiral already in the New Frontiers series books. I remember Ron also from RoboCop and Beverly hills Cop
Ronnie Cox also was a big player in Star Gate SG1 as senator and then president Kensington. Amazing actor
@@williammitchell4417 yup exactly. A Dr. Who "what?!".
yeah and hes still only 84. i guess that silver hair he had at a young age made him look older than we actually thought he was in the 80's and 90's ( but for me he will ALWAYS be vilos cohaagen from total recall ! classic )
@@georgeduncan9443 ahhh! Yes 1990 Total Recall!!!!!
I'm going to assume that The Doctor got a DNA sample from Quinn when he became human or from Q Jr when he spent time on Voyager with Auntie Janeway.
or Dr Crusher may have gotten Q's DNA when he was briefly made mortal & stuck on the Enterprise-D
or Dr. Crusher from the Q girl .
I was just about to write the same thing
Or Dr. Bashir got some when he was treating the fight bite from when he punched Q in the face.
Listing “human” and putting up Harcourt Fenton Mudd with that face! Chef’s kiss!!🤌🏻🤌🏻
You know, the DNA thing with Dall reminds me of the pilots DNA from the timeship the NX-01 found which was expanded on, heavily, in the Temporal Cold War part of STO, but the DNA thing came from the Enterprise episode with a mishmash of DNA there
The pilot in the Timeship was Kal Dano. His DNA had human, vulcan, rigelian, lukari (species in Star Trek Online), and terrellian.
@@Yasuda9000 Those were the ones that were listed there in STO, but there's the entire thing where STO varies about how it'll actually fit into things as there's issues and STO is talking about a bigger break from Prime now rather than constantly needing to rework stories due to changes made in the current series'
This is my favorite Trek show right now. Loved the Dal reveal. Finally! Jellicoe was a nice touch, too. First Janeway's first officer and now Jellicoe have both questioned (?) her motive (?) because it's Chakotay. 🤔 Thanks for the Ups and Downs - I love coming here after each episode.
I didn’t mind Okona running off, it definitely felt like something he would do
Yes he is a con man, waiting to see if he try to make off with ship or he try to sell it.
Regarding Q DNA, John's Q was mortal one ep and was tested heavily by Crusher. Also, remember the daughter of two Q's who were killed by a tornado and she was involved with Starfleet things. To me, this would mean that their DNA would be on file to work from
It’s good that we learn about Dal’s origins (26 species) with the reference to Arik Soong. However, I knew that Ascencia was a bit shady, especially when she snuck off the bridge and the reveal of her true self with Dreadnok.
I had the pleasure of meeting Julie Benson, one of Prodigy's writers last weekend. She's awesome.
You know that Okona will make a surprise appearance in a future episode. It doesn't always all have to be tied in a nice bow tie and the end of each episode.
Ascensia being revealed as using the same type of device to conceal her identity makes me think that the truth about Dal might not be the full truth. We know the three Vau N'Kat are from the future, so it's definitely possible that Dal is too.
I had the same thought. The timeline for this show is all messed up; until we know the sequence of events, I'm willing to give the writers the benefit of doubt when it comes to when things happened before the show started. We know the Diviner was hunting the protostar for 17 years and that puts the start of the hunter before Voyager's launch in 2371, which only makes sense if the Protostar somehow ended up in the past or the future.
"Where did they got Q DNA?". Ahem, did we all forget "Death Wish" in which a Q known as Quinn wished to die? I am sure they had to do an autopsy and the Doctor collected some samples after Quinn died.
Q was also made Human in TNG for a time where multiple tests were run as well as 2 Qs lived and died on earth and had a daughter in TNG.
There are multiple points Q DNA could have been acquired.
I got total Farscape "DNA Mad Scientist" vibes from the doctor and Dal reveal. And I'm surprised you didn't mention how fabulous those new Romulan uniforms are!
One of the DNA you missed is the Hurq. Its a very odd looking symbol that I've known since Star Trek Invasion and DS9.
I think the other is Guinan's species, the El-Aurian. If it has all the other ones, it must have that one..
@@HedelTorres Sheesh, I mean he's already got 8472 and Q, but still!
if your theory about the Voyager having scanned the DNA of the races from the Delta Quadrant....remember the episode when Aunt Kathy had to babysit Q, Jr....there is a scene when the Holo Doc scanned him
If they hadn't included Q and 8472 I would have suspected they were trying to recreate the base humanoid like we saw in TNG's The Chase. However with those two thrown in the mix I have no idea, hopefully it'll be revealed before the end of the season.
12:10 Prodigy takes place in 2386, and yes the Diviner caused some timeline chaos, cause the Diviner had been searching for the Protostar for 17 years placing it in the Delta Quadrant in 2369. thats 11 full years Before Voyager got back to Earth, and 2 years before Voyager even leaves the construction spacedock in 2371.
so when Admiral Janeway finds Chekottay he will be like 20 years older
It's probably set two or three years earlier given Janeway doesn't know about the upcoming Romulan supernova, yet it was definitely public knowledge in 2385.
And the Diviner left from at least 60 years in the future.
Just because he's been searching for 17 years doesn't mean it was out there all that time. He might have been sent back too far, or their information was incomplete or something.
Starting with episode 14, now e15, in my opinion, Prodigy has cemented its place as one of the best Star Trek series overall. What started out as a series for kids is going from strength to strength. One is actually excited for the next episode....
And I thought the Doctor was a reference to Günther from Futurama 🤪
Regarding the two you missed, you listed "Dominion", which isn't a race, so maybe take that out and sub in Founder, Vorta, and Jem'hadar
I wonder if Asencia's gloves were a hint that she is not who she appears to be, I have wondered this after the reveal, because when she first appeared while wearing those gloves I was always taken out and would question to myself "Why does she wear those gloves, what special requirement does she, a Trill need to wear those gloves? No one else wears gloves, why does she?"
I kept wondering, why the heck is Asencia wearing gloves? And cowboy boots? And seriously did Janeway not do a background check on her people???
She was already a bit overzealous.
i wondered why she wore high pink boots ? not exactly starfleet standard issue !
They’re to hide her robot hands before the real Ascensia returns from vacation and Mechascensia laughs maniacally
Everyone’s talking about the Q DNA but we’re glossing over the Organian DNA that’s in there too? Potent combination! 😂
I really like that Tal Shiar pistol. There was recently an episode of Adam Savage. Where he was looking at it at a prop auction. It doesn't have a trigger, you squeeze that grip that looks like brass knuckles to fire it.
The base design comes from the movie The Black Hole.
I'm thinking Dal's DNA came from the crew of the Protostar. It's the species they were planning on visiting during their voyage and had representatives of them on board as ambassadors. Something something waving hands.
So you think he is a combination of Tuviks accident from Voyager and the deaging accident from TNG? Fuse all and turned into a kid.
I hope Dal isn’t Chakotay, that would be a sad end for that character
I think Dal might be Chakotay's son.
Might want to rethink that. How are they going to Q or fluidic space and how do they have ambassadors from those on board????
Amazing. Merve has been making security decisions since day 1. He fired the phasers to get the Protostar past the debris in episode 1; he also lead them to the brig in order to imprison Gwen when she was a threat.
It also seems Merve sets the stage for future episodes. He eats the Chimerium and proton grenades a full episode or two before the crew used them to power the Diviners ship and liberate Tars Lamora.
I like Prodigy and your show too Sean...Thank you for your unique perspectives.
Given he was a telepath, I suspect Betazoid was one of the two missing ones.
hmm, aren't Andorians telepathic too? Or is that just the Aenar?
@@FiXato Just the Aenar.
Andorians and Vulcans are both teleptathic as well. Aenar are just albino offshoots of the species.
Anyone else wondering if 'Dreadnok' is the same individual kind in many bodies, similar to how they played Ultron in Age of Ultron?
Going to subscribe simply because you put so much energy into these videos. (plus its greats content)
Oh, Seán! You're definitely one of my TrekCulture hosts! You just make my much more funnier! 😁🖖🏾
Great video! So happy to have you here to point out things even I hadn't notice and give ideas I hadn't thought of!! Especially since my former favorite trek review channel, trekyards, has stopped paying any attention to what happens in the shows they review and just finds things to complain about to get views... you actually love and care about trek and for true fans that means so much!!
One aspect you missed that I was worried about: What happens to Dal’s dreams of joining Starfleet if he mucks around with his own genetics too much?
Given the gaps in their knowledge, he is likely unaware of the prohibition on Genetic Engineering.
Doubt he needs to muck at all. He's already 100% genetically engineered.
@@GarettHarnish That is correct. Dal doesn’t know enough about the Federation yet to know about that prohibition. It would just be setting up future conflict.
Not happy with the Kobashi, either, but they were literally facing a no-win scenario on the Neutral Zone. It'd be weird if they _didn't_ reference it. 😉
Yep, gotta agree with you. The mingled dna in Dall was interesting enough without going overboard and they are going to have to do something super clever to explain that away.
Aaron Waltke: "The DNA profiles on her consoles were samples in her database she was checking Dal’s DNA against - you’ll notice she only called out a few in the episode as possible matches."
The only species we've confirmed are human, proto-Organian, Vulcan and Klingon, with Andorian¹, Tellarite and Edosian heavily implied.
¹though the antennae are in the wrong places.
Thank you Sean and a happy Thursday to you.
As soon as I heard Kobayashi come out of Janeways mouth I immediately heard Sean's voice shouting DOWN!!! LOL
One thing that stands out for is the diviner seems a bit out of time. Dal having similar parents would track with being from a future federation.
A number of the timecop epidodes in voyager drop hits that feel like Jane way and voyager are harmful to the timeline, yet all be big time tricks we don't see the time cops.
Have this series revisit temporal wars is not the direct i'd take it, but they haven't shy'd from those directions so far.
This would be the... second time we've had an Augment as a heroic main character, isn't it?
Now I REALLY hope we get a heroic main character Transporter Clone (unless it does turn out that William Boimler was the original) so that pretty much all the antagonistic species and subspecies have heroic main character outliers
It occurs to me to wonder whether live-action Jack Quaid is going to make an appearance in Michelle Yeoh's _Section 31_ long-Trek.
Hey Sean, this is Jack Lai from Taiwan and I have also watched episode 16 a few days ago, thanks to Nickelodeon Asia (and Europe too) airred both episode 15 and 16 earlier (but just these two were airred earlier, no ep 17 and latter). I considered myself time traveled to the future and now got back, just like The Diviner 🤣🤣🤣
Without any spoiler, episode 16 will tell more back stories of the Protostar crew (Dal's crew I meant), and more BIG reveals about The Diviner and Titania (oops, wrong universe but same actress who plays the Thrill ensign who is not Thrill but the same species of The Diviner), and ANOTHER legacy character, who we all love! 🖖🖖🖖
Revisiting this episode and I noticed that the music in the background of a lot of the Romulan scenes is a variation on the motif used for the Klingons in Into Darkness.
Dreadnok transforms like the Decepticon he is
Murf is Star Trek's Groot.
"We are Murf."
When they had that reveal of Ensign Ascensia at the end of the episode, my first thought was "the dung just hit the fan!" Can't wait to see how this is going to play out over the last few episodes of the season.
its an interesting episode and i love the Easter eggs. and i wasn't expecting the species reveal of Dal.
I honestly think Dale might've been made with some of Chakotay's DNA. It would kinda explain what has happened to him, he didn't survive the procedure that used his DNA as a base sample. It would be an emotional story for Janeway and Dale.
Why would copying his DNA kill him? We can get DNA easily today, let alone 2300s.
@@chukwudiilozue9171 because this techniques are clearly more advanced than just a copy & paste. There could've been a lot of DNA needed from each subject to create Dal so much most If not all wouldn't survive
that reminds me of someone's comments I read on one of the other episodes: that the original crew of the Protostar got merged into a single person Tuvix-style, so we could get a proper closure on Janeway's decision during Voyager's run.
I seriously doubt Robert Beltran would return if they were just going to throw away his character again.
@@FiXato doesn't make any sense. How would crap like that be any kind of closure???
I'm struggling with Janeway too. There are ways that they could be avoiding some of these mischaracterizations. Like when she's like, "no problem, let's go right into the neutral zone!" Seriously, why didn't they just have her wait? Also I MISSED THE VOYAGER MODEL EASTER EGG and you guys are awesome for pointing it out
I was very pleasantly surprised to see Jellico/Ronny Cox back in Trek. Paused it as soon as I heard that voice and started looking around the mirrored comms interface for something saying it was really him.
I know Dal's plot of "I wanna be special-gets dangerous upgrades" has been done to death, but this is one of the few times it felt believable. Most of the time the character should know better, or that feeling of not-specialness doesn't feel earned, but he's an inexperienced kid, in over his head, has a history of false bravado, and just got a gut-kick that his mysterious past is a huge bummer.
The writers have said that the species listed weren’t the results of his scan. They were just the species he’d been scanned for. They didn’t really go into a lot of detail about which species he is.
When you Mentioned The Addams Family thanksgiving reference, PERFECT! LOL!!!
Besides beating the Cardasions into accepting a peace treaty favorable to the Federation, Jellico deserves massive credit for getting Troi into her uniform. She never looked better in anything else.
Jellico is one of my favorite characters! Yes. Hard-nosed, but I betcha there's a side of him that is actually fun when not in a crucial situation.
Jellico was a good captain, when you realize it. He made the right call time and time again and he focused on consistency.
2:25 yes! I was like “omg Ronny Cox!”
Admiral Janeway is just coffee deprived
@trekculture Care of Sean: I hear you on your beef with Janeway’s portrayal but check this out: I’m currently rewatching Voyager and I’m on Season 7. She got stiffer and a little more jaded towards the end of the series. There was a clear change in her. The chill captain from the early STV episodes with the hair pulled up, is the holo-Janeway. The-lost for 16 years+…..just life…..is the current Janeway.
That’s how I’m seeing it.
26 different species. Dal's quite the impressive Chimera.
So the other commenters have answered how the Federation might have gotten a Q sample, but that's still worrying, especially with the 8472 and Hirojan also being in that mix.
Dreadnok!
That's an impressive array of species.
Yeah but if his a sloppy experiment that got rejected, there may be also the completed work out there too.
Meaning there may be others like him, both rejected and perfected.
I watch Prodigy, one of the first things I ask when I see certain things is... "What's Shaun gonna say about this?"
the ammount of times i say out loud "shaun is so gonna down that!" lol
I think one of the missing references of 26 species is possibly Betazoid, since Dal read Okana’s mind and revealed why he helped the two young lovers. I’m sure it’s already been mentioned below.
4:52 when I watched the episode, I knew that this would be in here as an upvote
Dr Jago reminded me a lot of the geneticist from the Farscape episode 'DNA Mad Scientist'. They were both very similar in appearance as well as the jobs they performed.
Jargo and Nam'Tar would definitely get along like a house afire. Until one of them turned the other into a test subject, anyhow 😂
@@KentuckyKaiju Now the question becomes, who would be first? 🤣
I now really want Janeway to see through Ascensia and revealing it by saying something like “oh I knew a perfect ensign, his name was Harry Kim, you on the other hand were too perfect of an ensign”
The down on Janeway isn't warranted. Remember she changed some in End Game. No reason to think she wouldn't here. Keep in mind she had more leeway given Voyager's situation.
She has to play it more by the book. Even Picard hedged his bets and went into the neutral zone discretely.
Regarding Dal, as soon as they said "made up of twenty-six species" I went "wait,how many crewmembers did Chakotay take with him?" But Q and 8472 make that almost impossible
Considering his feelings about how his character was handled do you really think Robert Beltran would return for nonsensical crap like that?
@@alexandersinclair9006 to be honest, I only got as far as "they wouldn't waste Chakotay himself" like that. I wouldn't call it nonsensical crap, Tuvix as an episode was an incredible thought piece from Voyager and they are playing with the concept of legacies (there is room in the plot for some great stuff if Dal was the legacy of the Protostar crew, wither by Transporter or Cloning from samples of the crew) but I do immediately agree that it would be far too heavy a concept for what Nickelodeon would want for a "children's cartoon"
Starfleet might have found something that could be called the DNA of a Q from either Amanda Rogers or Quinn.
The stardate bit while done to death in Trek parody was nice to get an official nod.
Right up there with the SNW Enterprise spacedock beauty shot flyby is imminent repeat imminent and then Pike just beams off the shuttle. Missed the obvious of trying to find a " who me?" looking Kirk for the human picture.
Rockin that spiffy looking Klingon shirt there Sean.
I never thought I would like this Star Trek kids show, but I found out these characters are fun.
Andorian antennas, tellarite teeth, vulcan ears, human physical features -- founding members of the Federation
Don’t forget the caretaker abducted numerous alpha quadrant species
The ensign reminds of ST VOY's seska
omg she IS similar....hopefully Janeway will reference Seska once she finally figures out the truth
I like that you use your Human photo is Harry Mudd, But you use the character photo of Colonel Gum from Batman 1966 piece of the action. With the Green Hornet and Kato. 👍🏼
The starbase with the space elevator reminded me a lot of the Alliance Starbases in Star Trek Fleet Command.
I really liked the reveal of Esencia at the end, did NOT see that coming. I'm guessing/hoping she is part of the faction that wanted to join the federation, and not the part that wanted to destroy it, but considering there's also Drednok there, that is unlikely. It'll be interesting to see what happens once Janeway finds out she has a couple of spies onboard.
As for the Q DNA, i'm more surprised the continuum didn't step in and do something about that. As for the 8472 DNA, well, Voyager had some of that on file, but Voyager has only been back in the Alpha quadrant for 5 or 6 years by this point, and Dal is about 18 or so.
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I would also like to add my own "DOWN" for the Protostar's medical systems not pointing out the fact that Dal is an augment. I mean, surely someone did a medical scan of the crew when they first came onboard. Are we supposed to beleive that neither Zero or Holo Janeway ever did a bio-scan on Dal?
We already know what happens when Dal is bio-scanned; he was bio-scanned on the station. You get a classified alert and that is it. My guess is the system detected Soong-like genetic modifications, but you need sufficient security clearance to get that information, which no one on the Protostar has. Or it detected the Q DNA or the species 8472 DNA or the Vidian DNA ... something to trigger a security lockdown when Dal was bio-scanned. Either way, I can't see this having come out on a Federation vessel before this episode.
@@GarettHarnish what about a simple tricorder scan? That was enough to identify the Sonar and Baku as the same race, even though one looks nothing like the other due to genetic tampering, and yes, Zero is by no means a trained medic, but a simple tricorder scan should have picked up Dal's 'DNA soup' makeup.
@@TheGuardianofAzarath I assume a tricoder identified species because the base DNA template for each known species is in the tricoder. Dal's DNA is spliced from all over the place and it is unlikely to match any of the species templates in its records enough to match. It is entirely possible the tricoder and biobeds can pick up that there is genetic modification, if it is something it is programmed or asked to look for, but I assume it is not something it does by default. If it was, Bashir's genetic augmentation would have been noticed a lot sooner than it was in DS9. The reason why the dr in this episode might have singled him out is she might have a bioscanner on the door specifically looking for signs of augmentation because that's her thing.
In all honesty, I kinda didn't feel this one, except for that twist ending which gave me whiplash! And Jelico was a great touch to this episode. Love Ronnie Cox!!!
SUPPLEMENTAL... Screw Q DNA... Organian DNA??? I thought they were made of energy... does energy have DNA???
yes i thought of trek '09 for the jump as well........... but the first thing to pop into my head when the romulans jumped was the scene where mariner jumps off the space elevator in lower decks !
For an awesome video and the algorithm
While Dal is a teenager, there's nothing to say that he was created in the recent past. He too, could be from the future.
My biggest up this week was Rok's closing line: Science rules, but it also needs rules.
That's just such a beautiful compact line that is so so true. And especially given the "younger ish" audience for this show. I loved it.
And totally agree on the down about Dal. I didn't see all of this species (didn't pause it), but while I was OK with the idea of him being a mutt, the specifics are confusing. The whole series has been playing fast and loose with the geography. They had kazon in the pilot, with means Tarz is really far away in the delta quadrant. Yet a few episodes later, Ferengi. There's only about 60,000 light years between the two, with the Borg in the way.
The protostar making short work of tsht distance, we'll, that's its thing. But Telarites, Ferengi, even humans? And statfleet installations this close? The map doesn't make sense.
dreadnok the table bot is hilarious!
I am that far into TREK CULTURE and Sean's 'ups and downs' that I hear his voice while watching an episode 'This was a DOWN for me'... 😊😊😊
Makes me wonder what could happen after the whole reveal on the Dauntless....will the memory loss of the Diviner make him more accepting what Starfleet actually is and goes against his mission or will he come back to what he was in the first half bring the super big bad? Really curious to how it plays out. Judging that he really cares about his daughter and could possibly do anything for her. Leaving Asencia to carry out the mission with Drednok. With maybe the Diviner and Gwen going off to make a better future for their people rather than revenge?
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada, where we have Thanksgiving in October.
I like we're not downing Dal's character these days, I actually kinda like him now. Not gonna lie, the beer I was drinking while watching this episode when he spaced Okana ended up in my sinuses. The simple joy that is Prodigy. I love it. As for Q DNA? Maybe samples taken from Quinn aboard Voyager?