Antenna Rotators - Will One Get You More Channels?
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- In this video I talk about antenna rotators and whether or not you need one. In some areas an antenna rotator (rotor) can help you pick up more channels if you use an antenna to pick up local TV stations. Sometimes these stations offer duplicate programming but other times they offer out of market newscasts and sporting events.
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Good Video- Thanks Tyler!!
So glad Ridge keeps sponsoring you. Good for you and keep it up!
My granddad used to have an antenna that was about 60 feet up and had a rotator. That bad boy could pickup channels 100+ miles in all directions. I'd always go outside and watch it turn. Loved it.
Rotators combined with long range antennas is how some used to pick up blacked out sports events in a different market.
Very true but no one is making a good tv rotor these days. The best rotors are those used for Ham, etc and they are expensive.
Here in Bridgeport Connecticut won the New York Giants played in Yankee stadium we would aim the antenna tourist Hartford so we can watch the home games
@@amerigovespucci4076 This is true, especially with the large top of the line antennas. I'm using the Winegard HD8200 both at home and at my cabin. I got tired of replacing the Channel Master CM-3521 rotor's every 2 or 3 years. I'm sure the Minnesota climate isn't helping but I figure these cheap rotors just cant handle the weight of an antenna this large. The Yaesu 450 can, but they cost 3 times as much. I wish there were a product somewhere in-between but I have yet to find one.
@@charleshuniker4060 I live in Stratford, on Sunday I can pick up Jets & Giants by living in the New York Market.., I’m interested in a rotor so I can pick up RF 36 WFSB (CBS Hartford) so I can pick up Patriots games
@@crimepays2038 I may be commenting too late, but you're going to have to battle CCI with WCBS (also on RF 36) if you try that route. That's the reason I can't receive WFSB from here in Fairfield, and I have a rotor.
When I was a kid, the antenna rotator box piqued my curiosity; I turned the knob this way then that, never heard or saw anything happen, except Dad hollering at me!
I can remember the antennas of the late 1960s and the rotation device back then would go out and as a child we would have to go outside and turn the antenna by hand (manually) until someone inside would yell STOP!
That is what is known as an "Armstrong" rotator.
@@michaelachhammer9600 They (Armstrong) come with a lifetime warranty. Lol
My antenna rotator is real old school...
I go out and turn the pole by hand... :)
I did that for years...finally got a rotater and now get more channels than I thought.
Me and my brothers used to be the antenna rotators.
Back in the early 80s I used a rotor on a 10 foot satellite dish attached to the LNA,LNB on a pole to change the horizontal and vertical polarity to get a clear signal on each transponder/channel.
Hard to do when it is 60 feet off the ground.
That is what is known as an "Armstrong" antenna rotator.
Back in the day my mother worked for the Magnavox Corporation factory locally. She purchased a Magnavox TV and an antenna rotor. At the time KFVS TV in Cape Girardeau, MO was the only TV station. (It went on the air in 1954.) Seems like the antenna rotor was a brand called "Alliance Antenna Rotor." It had a big dial that sat on the TV and indicated which direction the antenna was pointed. There was a knob in the middle of the dial and when you turned it there was an indicator that would "click" as the antenna moved. The antenna was mounted on a "Tri-Mast" tower and the shaft had a big bearing at the top that enabled the motor to turn the antenna. I think the antenna was a VERY old Channel Master. It had that old 300 ohm flat antenna wire. I looked at my cable bill and I am ready to cut the cord. Great video!
Im in jackson.
I'm so thankful I live in the city and get a bazillion channels with a simple dollar store antenna.
Tyler, I know why your channel is so popular. You know the tech stuff but you also have a good grasp on human nature. Years ago when I was in the television repair business, I quickly learned about customers & how to interact with them. That was the hard part, the fun part was just doing the job. Hoping your channel continues to grow & that your efforts will pay off immensely.
After criticizing Channel Master openly on some of the Facebook forums I got contacted by one of the product managers. I'm sure his goal was to stop my criticism but he did engage me in some conversation about the troubles of bringing back the CM9521 series rotators. As some of you may know Channel Master is a marketing company with the limited Manufacturing. They are currently looking for suppliers to make their gears, motors Etc.... I had sent them videos about the problems that I encountered with their rotators and they seem to agree that there was a problem so they sent me a baseball cap.
My grandparents used to have one at their cabin, I was always fascinated by it as a little kid
I'm running three antennas with a splitter backwards it took me in a while after many many splitter of finally found one that works thanks to you keep up the good work
I love that you open your videos with a “rasiter “ screen, a lot of people today have never seen it.
In my book it was spelled “raster”. Basically it’s used in all analog tv which is made up of multiple lines, each contributing to the complete picture.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_scan
Another great video Tyler.........you nailed it!
I installed two antennas, a big VHF, and big UHF, both with amplifiers. To reduce the stress on the rotator, I mounted it 5' below the top of the mast, with a 10' pole. At the top of the mast, I added a bearing to support the pole. To minimize interaction between the antennas, the UHF was on the top, and the VHF was 4' below, 1' above the mast top.
Glad to see you've pulled the plug on suggesting antennaweb. I comment often on people's videos about it's poor results based on my own personal experience here in the Lehigh valley.
I've been using a channel master with rotary control for 30 years. Came with the house. Guessing it was installed in the 60s or 70s and I've never had a problem with it. Pick up stations from Toledo and Detroit.
I acquired a RCA VH226E rotator before checking your video and I'm happy that you recommended. Thanks
Thanks for sharing your videos and information. I always enjoy them .
Good to know about the rotor Tyler, I need one. Thanks for the info I’ll check out your link
I like this video. Tyler always gives good information. I had relatives who used to use the rotator for their antenna. I use a A/B switch with two antennas pointed north and south. I can get channels from Raleigh/Durham NC and Florence SC.
Great information! I never heard of this before! Thank you!
Keep it up Tyler you helped me so much about antennas
Your map in the beginning shows exactly where I live! And yes, I have an antenna rotor. Just east of Trenton with an Alliance Tenna rotor. I get NYC, PHiladelphia, Allentown and sometimes Connecticut on a good day.
Perfect for people who live between Baltimore, MD and Washington, DC...
I love it when you throw the P O S antenna on the floor-the crash sound is SO satisfying. LOL
You the man! And I love how you address the stupid! Cracks me up
Unfortunately I have to start putting disclaimers on my video as someone tried to sue me for falling off the roof after getting an antenna recommendation from me.
@@AntennaMan OMG-"Be careful when you travel over 4 feet from the ground as studies have shown that injury can occur" Hire a man who speaks rapidly at the end of the video. I can say it-the level of stupidity of the viewing public is vast.
@@AntennaMan Maybe do something like they do in car commercials at the bottom of the screen when they do stunt driving.
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I remember when my family moved into a house that had one of those tall antenna towers that used 3 poles with rungs. Got a bigger antenna, a rotator, and a booster. Suddenly, we went from getting signals within roughly the state area to being able to pick up Cape Girardeau, MO TV stations from our location in southwestern Indiana lol
Good. Fine. Great.
That would be so great. I'd love it. But what about Lighting?
I can see in this age of DTV of the antenna rotator being more critical than ever before when it comes to reception from weak transmitting signals. From my experiences with indoor antennas, it's remarkable how a 20 degree movement change with such an antenna can mean the difference between reception and no reception; as I live in a market with two broadcast transmitting arrays that are at about a 35 degree spread between the two arrays. One array is within line-in-sight; the other array is over-the-horizon at a 35 degree separation from the line-in-sight array.
Ive never understood antennas or knew so many people use them. But these videos make me less anxious so I watch them.
I'm happy to see you get behind this rotator. I thought about buying it simply because the CM unit has been out of stock for so long, and the Amazon reviews for the RCA are good. I think what I'll do is wait for spring and see what might show up from CM and possibly your review. I'm happy with getting 60+ channels for now. I'm going to check closely to see what sub channels I might actually gain. Thanks, and good work, as always!! ~Frank
Both my grandmothers had Channel Master antennas, rotors and towers. It was fun turning the antenna north to get the Detroit stations.
My aunt and uncle had a rotor back in the day. They are between Dallas, Abilene and Waco. Back in that day, Waco and Abilene were two-station markets with CBS and ABC sharing on one station, which resulted in time-shifting galore. The Price is Right at 4:30 in the afternoon...
Growing up in the sixties and seventies we had a rotator. One direction for Pittsburgh, one for Youngstown, another for Johnstown, yet another for Wheeling.
I as fortunate because many times a station in one market had one game while a station in another direction would have a different game.
When Saturday. Iggy Live debuted Pittsburgh showed it on delay at 1AM while Youngstown showed it live at 11:30 PM.
To udon rural Pennsylvania it was almost like having cable... although with lots of snow.
My great discovery was that I
Could get a lot of FM radio stations in Pittsburg and Cleveland.
I as saved when I moved in 1979 to Boston and could get stations from all over New England.
I remember the wonderful clicking relays & those two red lights on top of the rotor control in the mid-70s.
As always....good video. Thanks!
I have a Televes antenna, and just ordered the RCA rotator, because here in Eastern Kentucky, there is just a large enough space between broadcast stations, to make it impossible to hit a sweet spot between them.
I'm excited to see all the new channels I'll be able to get!
Really would appreciate this information thank you Joe
Rotors are great for DXing bringing in different markets. Best to have one deep fringe antenna on the rotor and mount two or three smaller antennas on the side of the tower for stations in the 50 mile range and under. This way you can run multiple TV sets and keep the rotor antenna for those distant stations needing the larger more powerful antenna.
Antenna man , You are Fantastic! To say the least!
Thanks for the kind words
I really like this channel and I guess this is good for people who like messing around with their rotators. But as a long time DXer on TV and FM, I feel using rotators are a pain in the ass. Just stack multiple antennas and use a signal combiner. It really takes patience to fine tune its position but once its done, its amazing. Now with the digital transition, if you get it right, every channel is clear. Back in the days of analog it was difficult to get a far away station so right it was crystal clear. Now if you have difficult access to your antennas (I had access to a boom truck so was easy for me), you could use rotators in a multiple antenna stack to fine tune it on the ground and after big storms. I just feel using rotators to change channels is always a pain. Its also fun to fine tune a station or set of stations. Its a great feeling when you get it right.
Excellent content, sir.
Even with 3 directional for 2 markets every now and then when reception is weaker I find a value using a rotor. It always seems that if I manually aim the UHF and lock in for the highest signals from one market then manually rotate the other one UHF to the other market the first market is off and even incrementally adjusting I never get both maximum at the same same time. I have been using the same Channelmaster for a very long time. Thanks for another great episode.
Back in the analog days I lived at a place that had a rotator on the antenna. We live between two major markets, and could sometimes get even way distant cities if the conditions were right. No more with digital. We're lucky if we get most stations out of one major market.
I had a rotating set top antenna back in the analog days when I lived in an apartment. It worked off the TV remote.
You are posting great material ...... I think my combo will be Televes Ant and the rotator ..... I’m cutting the chord next week!!
Thank You for the information about the television rotors. My wife and myself have discussed about getting a new antenna and getting the old one down. The one that you showed and stated was a "piece of junk" is what we have at this time. Of corse, someone did give it to us. The rotor box did break first thing. Believe me folks. I would rather buy quality than a piece of junk. But, when someone is just tring to help you. Take with a grain of salt. Sometimes you have to wait until your boat (funds) come in.
I have an Armstrong rotor I have used at various times over the years
Good information you know what you are talking about.
Tyler is right. Don’t buy a cheapie antenna at the flea markets. I had one and the rotator failed after 6 months. I then bought a Channel Master 4228 in combination with a CM 7778 amplifier. Works a whole lot better pointed at the closest large market antenna broadcast cluster. Picks up 73 channels. Don’t end up like me paying twice, do it right the first time.
Good info. You didn't talk about bearings. I have a big Winegard antenna, so the installer recommended a bearing. They put a 5 foot mast into the rotator. The antenna was mounted on the top 3 feet. The rotor was then mounted about 2 feet down on the main mast with the 5 foot pole thru a hole in the bearing. We had a severe windstorm about 12 years ago and the antenna survived perfectly.
I was hoping some day you would get around to it . Thank you!
In late 70s/early 80s, my Dad's cousin had a large ranch/farm in W. South Dakota, and I remember visiting and them using the antenna rotator to get better signal.
Thank you Tyler I purchased the televes ellipse mix and it's not getting many channels and have to decided to purchase a rotor thanks for the update
Fortunately where I live, the towers are only to the NNW at 12 miles LOS. On the Oregon Coast where we can have winds 75-95 MPH in some Winters, so rotors don't always work out well, as with the strong winds, you need a ton of guying and a very heavy duty rotor like for a Ham antenna beam, as if I used a light rotor, the gears will strip out. In less windy areas, a rotor will work better.
Yes, the channel master rotator is out of stock. I just talked to them again and they said they had no further updates or expected delivery date. I will think about getting the rca. I'm also waiting for their big 3671 to come back into stock. I need the added gain that unit has for VHF low. Their 5020 has 1.5 db less gain, and I am on the fringe.
Ok I'm a installer here in Southern Ontario. I got loads of used rotors. But I usually just buy a new control box with the remote. Have not bought one for a while. You can buy the rotor motor, control box and remote as one. Also can buy the remote and control as separate. Your saying any rotor product is out of stock.
This happened last year with the CM7777 preamp there was no stock. What I heard is Channel Master was moving production out of China to Bulgaria. So shortages occur.
Superb !!!
funnily enough we have the i onn antenna with a 80 mile range and it still works. owned it since nov 4 hooked it up on like nov 7
My antenna is a relatively small UHF/ VHF high band. My old Gemani rotator is stuck and a little off direction. I just picked up one of these RCA rotators from a thrift store new in the box. The remote control, digital display and memory will be handy. I could get by without a rotator but adjusting the antenna is difficult. It's on a long pipe that once supported a small wind generator. I have to disconnect wires and winch the pipe to the ground guess the antenna direction, crank it up again. I'm about 35 miles from Chicago stations. Sometimes I can get Millwaukee, about 120 miles but largely over lake Michigan. Sometime I like to dial the antenna around and see what I can find.
I have an old antenna from Radio Shack that looks like the Enterprise from Star Trek. It's supposed to save different positions of the antenna for each channel.
Wauw. I bought this exact model rotor from Westfalia in Germany back in the mid eighties. It hasnt changed a bit at all I can see, still same design. Used it for many years. Paid some 100DM (deutsch mark, today Germany uses euro), so the price is close to the double today.
Love when you dropped that Junk Antenna on the floor like it was a piping hot casserole. Love the comedy. Hope you bring back Tyler the Conspiracy Nut soon. I love those skits.
Also, I think it might be time to update your “Special Thanks” board. You have so may names on their that they look all smushed up. You should also update the “Affiliate Links” and “Home TH-cam Channel” parts. You have many more subscribers and it would be nice to have it updated.
Finally, I still do not see a “Join Button” next to the “Subscribe Button” like I do when watching other TH-cam channels. You maybe haven’t turned them on.
Thanks for a great video! Love the content and time that you put into each video. Sorry I’m not a “Join Member”. Hopefully I will get enough in order to support. Stay safe!
Two antennas with a switch or splitter/combiner is often a better idea than a rotor. There is less to go wrong with a system like that.
Tyler I know your delivey (the way you talk) is just you being natural, but sometimes its hilarious. The way you said This video is sponsored by the ridge wallet, cracked me up for some reason.
that's right brother
My parents used to have a rotator but it was really only good for one TV. Not too useful for two or more TV in the house when everyone wants to watch different stations in different directions. Convenient though for one TV. The second TV at my parents house had to settle for the rabbit ears for channel 13 and below or the circle thingy for the higher channels, LOL.
Used to be the Alliance rotor box was on top of practically every living room tv! You'd turn the dial to point in the desired direction and as the antenna turned you'd hear "CHUNK, CHUNK, CHUNK," as the rotor did it's thing! I am a Ham, and still have a 50+ yr old Alliance unit. Ah the good old days.
I wished I would have stumbled on to your channel before I bought a junk antenna. The rotator doesn't work right from the start and it's hooked up properly. Thanks for the tips.
Yup more trash for the landfill....😬
Where I grew up in Northeastern Maryland we could get the Baltimore channels if we rotated our antenna one way and the York- Lancaster channels if we rotated it the other way.
I never skip through any of your videos antenna man! If i skip through i don't really get the point of video alot of times.
Most only watch about 50% of the video and then ask me questions about things I covered in that exact video. It's quite funny.
@@AntennaMan lol yea it is
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Having installed 100's of these units, there is only 2 things I would suggest... Tighten the 4 screws holding the black dc motor to the case. These screws are known to fall out during operation. #2 be careful tightening the rotor to the mast, the metal case is brittle and may crack if too much force is used to tighten the screws..... Also, do not use cheap solid conductor phone wire. You must use stranded 3 conductor 20 - 22 AWG copper wire.
Mine has phone wire and works fine...what would be the difference if I use the stranded kind?
I did not skip to miss important information, i only skipped tne ad. Vid starts at 1:45 everyone.
Thanks, Antenna Man! Great info. I'll have to see if I can source that RCA rotator here in the UK (I wonder if it can handle our 240 volt mains voltage) . BTW, what's the science/advantage behind those Yagi antennas with the three booms (one horizontal, one each above and below) at 6min 20sec into this video? Thanks again :-)
Great stuff Tyler! Wife and I love the channel. We live some where between Seattle and Vancouver BC 98203 hilly tree infested terrain. Got a clear stream 2 max and put a metal screen behind it and it gets most all our Seattle channels 40+ channels. We get FM Radio from BC so... Thinking about getting a channel master and, wait thers more... LOL With a rotator to get Canadian channels too. B.C, is 99 miles away as a crow flies from our home. What would you guess the are the odds are the Channel master will get BC Vancouver channels? BTW Seattle is more hilly south, as a crow flies then BC is North.
No way for me to tell without running a reception report. See video below to see what your chances are to get BC. Most times it's hard past 70 miles due to the curvature of the earth. th-cam.com/video/RC8VmyjSE-M/w-d-xo.html
Rotators are really great for a few things. Sports: Don't like the football game airing on your local channel, turn the antenna and maybe another market is showing a better game. News: Tired of the same old news in one city, find out what's going on in an adjacent city. DX'ing: Spin that antenna and see what distant channels you can get (which was way better before the FCC really narrowed down the frequencies used by stations).
that doesn't exist.. in Rochester NY , we get Buffalo teams shoved down our throsts. we used to be able to tune into syracuse to see a different game. so, years ago, the bills found a small plot of land in the middle of the finger lakes, Penn Yann NY, thst was within 75 miles of buffalo but got the syracuse channel with an outdoor antenna. they then used that as an excuse to shove their games into syracuse. greed
now after over a decade, syracuse is now a football suburb of buffalo despite being over 2 and a half hours drive away.
when you are a minor league city , you can only support a major league sport by gravy training people snd money from far away.
if you can't support a team yourself, then you don't belong in the majors. their tv market isn't even in the top 50! 😤🙄👎😡
You don't need a rotator if you have only two directions of reception. Put two directional antennas facing 180 degrees in the opposite direction.
Space them on a mast two feet away and each having a 75 Ohm cable drop to what is called a 75 Ohm AB switch which you put near the TV.
Connect one antenna to the A tap and the other to the B tap. The single 75 Ohm line to the TV goes to the center tap.
Scan for channels known for each antenna separately for proper reception. Make sure you push the right button on the AB switch!
It worked for me in the 1980s.
Don't forget "Norm's Rotor Service" for parts and used older rotators.
I get a solid 53 stations
I use 2 antenna on the same pole, 2 10' sections with an RCA dual input preamp.
About 2 years ago I used 3 sections and picked up about 63 stations, so for me it heights.
Now I live on the coast so all stations are west of me.
Some are North North West like WITN
Others are South South West
So I have a channel master extreme collecting the South West and a ClearStream 4Max collecting the North West
If I have a tower installed, then I will also add the Rotor and go with one of those "Televes" antenna and also pick a better pre amp. Probably not going to happen.
in Poland there used to be popular turntables, but for satellite TV. For terrestrial TV I have not met such a solution. Best regards
I want to climb a radio tower and turn on my handmade vacuum tube radio, I am excited to listen to the shortwaves as I get sunburnt on the top of a huge antenna, I’m crazy as hell, I have obsession with electromagnetic fields and radiofrequency
Hi Tyler,
As usual you have provided a great video. I have used antenna rotors in the past. But my main complaint is if you have more than one TV now both TV's must watch the same channel or a second one near the same location. Years ago my community had what was called the Indianapolis special. This design used three antenna's stacked on the same mast. Of course each antenna was selected for the specific stations and directions. Typically the two was for vhf and one was for the uhf frequency. That worked ok but the desire for many more channels caused the desire to want more and more channels. The basic service for cable was 40 channels for about $6.95 per month. HBO was more money.
I hope this helps.
My experience with two opposite markets: Use a directional vhf for the weakest vhf (usually a desirable no commercial pbs with three subchannels) and a separate flat panel uhf with builtin preamp (Philips SDV8622 or 27). The uhf flat sides are facing each market and are both effective. The key is a vhf/uhf combiner with a dc power passthrough, known as a diplexer. However it is NOT a satellite/vhf diplexer because satellite dishes have different frequencies. I use a Radio Shack 15-2586 vhf/uhf diplexer for installations, available online.
Bought the RCA VH226E Outdoor Rotator with Remote Dec. 2020. Lasted until we had strong (but not too unusual) winds from a thunderstorm. Stripped the gears of this rotator. If you will check on Amazon, that has happened to many folks that have purchased that and the RCA VH226F rotators. Those are typical cheap, Chinese made with poorly designed rotators with plastic gears. All other rotators that I have found are much more expensive - all made by Yaesu. Those too may be Chinese, but I strongly suspect that they are made of better stuff.
I received the same feedback since making this videos supposedly the Yaesu rotators are better built. What antenna did you have in the rotator?
@@AntennaMan As listed on Amazon; "Channel Master Advantage 100 Directional Outdoor TV Antenna - Long Range FM, VHF, UHF and Digital HDTV Aerial - CM-3020
With the $30 D TV box when you program a channel does it then put Channel into the TVs memory or must you continue to use the box for your reception.
Hi, quick question, can I install my outdoor TV antenna and my outdoor cellphone signal booster alongside each other? Will there be any interference?
Yay! Finally ;-)
My transmitters are in a few directions. Rotator time for me.
If you got two different type antennas on the same rotary pole what would be the best way to hook them to one cable
I live in the middle of 3 markets. So I might get a rotator
Been thinking about a large directional antenna and rotater to try an pick up the east coast of Floroda or Orlando or st Pete sometimes West palm beach comes in early in the morning at my boat with an amplified omnidirectional on a 20’ mast, many more stations come in with that set up it is attached to a piling. I am experimenting in two places my house 33974 and my boat 33935 I got stations not listed on antennaweb, I did an experiment at my house 33974 with a 25’ mast on a fork truck up another 10-12’ so total 30+’ got a shit load of stations gets me thinking go directional, rotational, go high as possible
I have an interesting situation where CBS uses channel 3 on UHF in a town 65mi up north-west but CBS in my city is on Hi-V 45mi in the southern direction. It's interesting how complex it can actually get.
When I was a young lad, our neighbor used to babysit my sisters and I and she had a rotating antenna to catch the Buffalo channels as well as Rochester. She had a selector switch for the two locations. We would switch the selector and then run outside to watch it rotate. We didn't even care what was on TV.
Hello, thank you for this video. I have a question- what voltage the antenna motor should I supply to move it? I do not have the antenna rotator. Thank you.
Can you show a video on how to connect my antenna and still keep my spectrum internet and tv setup.?
What brand and model antenna 8:28 you are showing Tyler ??? That looks really cool for sure. Four antennas are really distinguished. Thanks and peace to you too fella. vf
i came for the rotator info, i stayed for the if you die, don't blame me. lol.
Is there a platter type rotator for attic antennas sit on a non secured block of wood? So that I would put the wood base\antenna on a rotating platter to adjust without crawling into the attic?
I have a hunting and fishing camp in Ontario Canada that has a tower with rotator and full size antenna. The internet guide says I have 4 tv stations within my range. The problem is I only pick up one analog station which is the farthest. The other 3 which 2 are analog and 1 is HD are closer but do not come in. Any suggestions?
I have a rotator on my antenna and sometimes works and then not. Any ideas would be helpful. Also what would you recommend for a directional antenna. I live in a high wind and sometimes icy area and they won’t hold up. The elements break off.
Need info on that box with the signal strength meter. Brand, source, cost, etc.
Rewatch the whole video. I mention where to find it (in the description)