in your research did you come across the Sun Watch community? southwest Ohio. they have been studying the site for a long time and may have info your looking for .
my father is a detective in scotland, i often watch channels like yours with him and he never appreciated the evidence they proposed nor their skill at factually gathering it. however he always praises the work done by yourself, saying that you explore every possibility (even supernatural though he doesn't pay any credence to such reasons) We now watch every video within an hour of release and is the highlight of our weeks sometimes, thank you
@@Swerv0.Not that I want to be critical, and I feel bad for pointing this out, but their grammar in that comment is terrible. The sentence structure is decent, but the grammar is terrible. Well, I say sentence structure because of the way I can tell it would flow if they were speaking, even though there's only one full stop and no capitalisation of the beginning of any potential sentences.
I'm sorry, I wouldn't normally make a point of anyone else's grammar (especially when mine isn't perfect) but in this case where it's being clearly incorrectly praised, I feel strangely compelled to. I'm sorry. I hope this comment isn't perceived as an attack at all.
@@cripbk2147 Because I was thinking of how his brother must feel and relatives rarely want to admit their loved one is dead without their body proving it.
I don't think it's necessarily suspicious that Clint lawyered up and shut up. Any lawyer would tell him "there are signs that point to you whether you did it or not, your best move at this point is to keep your mouth shut." That doesn't mean he did anything, just that innocent people do get convicted because of circumstantial evidence, maybe he felt like he should consult a lawyer just in case, and any lawyer would tell him to shut up.
Yeah. Even if someone is trying to help, if you're in any sort of way a suspect, talking about anything to anyone is one of the dumbest things you can do. I think a lot of people have the impression that the universal advice to "say absolutely nothing and get a lawyer" is some kind of stereotype, or even just paranoia, and that it couldn't possibly be that severe of a problem in any real-world situation, and they are just entirely wrong. The number of completely innocent people who've caused themselves massive headaches, or gotten themselves into big trouble, by opening their mouths is astonishing.
Oh for sure, if a friend I went to a bar with disappeared, and Id just had a fight with them, Id have a lawyer _immediately._ Id know what theyd think of that
Especially given Clint's somewhat rocky past with Brian. It would be way too easy for authorities to take some of the incidents that occured between the two and run to a conclusion that may be false.
What you said about police not collaborating with outsiders, they even refuse Ken Mains, former police, former cold case detective, founder of a cold case association. He made a great comment to them once regarding a really old, famous case. They said they would not allow anyone to help out, and he asked, "And how's that working out for you? " As you can imagine, the detectives were not amused.
That is so arrogant and crazy, when a life is at stake, and a father and brother and girlfriend are in such severe grief, I would have taken help from another country, and I would have put pressure on that alleged friend of his, you never leave a friend behind, he should have been concerned immediately, no matter what Brian was doing, you never leave a friend ever 🤷♀️😣🥺❤️🩹.
The l9cal police should not be permitted to refuse help, at least not from government agencies such as the FBI. They did that same thing in the Jon Bonet Ramsey case & what a mess the police made out of that. We need laws in place that prevent this type of police ego interference with investigations. Someone knows something and I bet more then one person has information they are withholding.
@@megs4193You’re right! And, as far as I can tell, Clint not Meredith called the next day to see in he got home a-ok. Also, the fact that Clint changed his name and moved away seems somewhat suspect to me, too.
@@nancy2anne it's all so awful isn't it. So many yong wasted lives, around the planet, or innocent people gone. Thank you nancy2anne, i appreciate that. The very least we can do as human beings, is the very least we can do, we can't be super heroes, but we can, look after friends and innocent strangers 🙂 I'm 54 now, my favourite weekends are when one or 2 of my grandchildren come and stay. And even here in Tasmania, i teach them with their parents, this is the world occasionally, better to be alway prepared than not. To many people have been lost. It has to stop. Thank you again for being kind in the comments, i appreciate little things like that. Because today, in this world, a kind word is huge, i agree with you too. About changing his name and moving away. If there's a crime, somewhere there will be evidence, if the get the chance to put resources on it.. it's so tragic, Nancy, it really is 👋🙂 ❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🩹.
Hey Lore Lodge , I have a case here in Ontario Canada . The lost boys of Pickering. Today marks 29 years of their disappearances. 6 teenage/young men party one night and decided to steal a boat and a big wheel water cycle and head into Lake Ontario never to be seen again . No trace of them or the boat . Quick briefing of the case . Would love to see your work on it , I think it's right up your alley.
I mean, just on the surface, it seems like the boat may have sunk. There are still missing freighters under the lakes, I'm not surprised a boat and a water cycle couldn't be located :(
I'm a born Ohioan and my former roommate's mother was murdered in Columbus, possibly for the contents of her purse. Though the family is convinced they know the guilty party, the CPD refused to even interview the person. I know some truly awesome policemen, but they do NOT work in Columbus.
My friends Mom was poisoned by her 2nd husband. Friend had Moms hair tested & positive for poison. Husband had Mom cremated within 2 days & claimed all of Moms inheritance, home, personal possessions, etc. Law Enforcement disregarded friends findings.
Damn, you gotta feel for the brother: Lost mom to cancer, brother missing, dad died by falling tree branch. I'm only 40:00 in at this point so I don't know...😧
This is so true. I always think about Derek and what a tough road this has been for him. Brian was in my graduating class, I met him in first grade. He was a such a sweet soul, a generally nice, funny, smart, just cool guy. I saw him about 2 weeks before he went missing; his mom had just passed. It was just a random Wednesday and I had been eating lunch. In walked Brian-I can still see his huge smile. We talked for like a half hour. I think about the day often and I wonder where is he? Where did he go?! Anyway, I’m sorry this was so long! Did not mean to go on and on.. I wanted to let you know that I 2nd your sentiment-Derek lost his entire family in such a short amount of time.
I absolutely love how you go over the Native tribes that lived in the area before talking about whatever happened there in each video. Their history is always so fascinating to me!!
You should look into the case of Thomas Brown from Canadian, TX. He was a teenager that went missing from a small rural town under very suspicious circumstances the night before Thanksgiving. Everyone suspected local law enforcement who had harassed Thomas in the past. Sure enough a year or two after he went missing, one of those suspicious officers found some of his remains in an area that had been searched many times before. This case needs more exposure and more eyes looking at it! I love your videos and respect all the work y'all put into them! Thank you!
I was totally wrapped up in your native history lesson, you started talking about Brian again, was like woahh who tf is this guy? Totally forgot why I was here lol
i just went to the gateway film center to see stopmotion last week. i think about brian every time i go up those escalators. the space where the ugly tuna saloona used to be is completely blocked off now. every few years, i see a new billboard with brian’s face on it. there was briefly one by my house in late 2023. it was really tragic to hear that his father passed without getting any answers. i don’t want to believe brian would willingly do that to his dad.
I follow various true crime TH-camrs, this case is one of the ones I desperately wish he would be found. The other one I really want to be solved is the disappearance of Jodie Hisentruit…I may be spelling that wrong.
Wait. I thought there was a Cazuela's where Ugly Tuna used to be? I know the Ugly Tuna is now located on Chittenden. This video makes me want to drive to Gateway and see if you can slip out without being on camera. Ugly Tuna did have an outdoor padio where you can easily hop the fence. I live in Clintonville but I hardly go to college bars unless there's a homegame. I think there is still a billboard up by Morse and Indianola that his surviving family kept paying for all these years.
If you were born, oh, 30 years earlier, you would have been an investigate journalist on the award winning show 20/20, next to Barbara Walters.You deserve more awards, dude.This is top notch.
Ever seen one of those videos where a car appears out of nowhere in a busy intersection? The car is just perfectly hidden from view, but it’s really spooky. That’s what happened here. He walked out the door and another person blocked the view of him.
The way this guy went missing reminds me of that story of the dude who got stuck in the grocery store he worked at. Either behind the shelving or on top of walk in or soemthing like that. They looked all over for him and only found him like 15 years later upon service or remodeling. Or that other dude that died in like baltimore or soemthing in a little square of unused space between a bunch of buildings
Ewwww, I know that case!! Yeah he was found behind a freezer unit. They never heard his cries for help bc of the motors running and the fans. What a horrible way to go. I believe his arms were even up over his head. That’s how tight the space he was in was. How horrible. This case with Brian, not knowing is just awful. ❤️💜💚
Yeah I really didn't like that. There was a lot of information given about him that wasn't relevant to the story, and could easily lead to people directly harassing him.
@@anthonycastellaneta4956 If The Lore Lodge can find him, anyone can find him. It's not like TLL are working with court orders or warrants or the power and overreach of the NSA or something.
I absolutely believe that after a certain point in a case, they should be forced to release every single document tied to the case and have it be publicly viewable for anyone to see, since there have been many times where cases like this could've been solved had the information not been tucked away in some evidence locker that only the police could view.
This would be an interesting concept. If, say, a case has been cold for 50 years, all files become public, public are able to form hypotheses and fund specifically approved private detectives (to stop vigilante crap/harassment etc.) to chase leads that come up from the public research.
@@herstoryanimatedtruly cold cases sure, but I'd say prior to that those files should be open to request like PI, and such. It feels weird to lock up a case so long until you are just hiding events, like in some coverups.
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt I definitely think there's an interesting avenue to be explored here, just do think vigilantism and poor interpretation would mean strict rules would need to be in place. I wonder if forming an organisation to manage the release of information and arrange the PI work would be best?
@@herstoryanimated yeah you could form an organization of like wikileaks version of public police cold cases that are not solve then have names date of incident possible suspects clues then have like a section where people give there imputs and clues and the best clue gets put at top then you created a file to pass it on to others to give there insights
There is a major issue or risk with this....with these unsolved cases it is common they are foul play. They generally have shreds of evidence, possible suspects or even person of interest, unreleased pieces that if some one know they are involved.. If they release these it could result in a multitude of things, 1. The suspects ability to further hide or muddy the trail 2. It might result in vigilante justice against a suspect who was not actually the murderer. 3. It might tip people off that they know more then they are letting on. 4. The element of blindsiding a suspect is gone... There are many cases solveable in theory but when you have to prove them beyond a shadow of a doubt in court it is impossible. They will not try a case like that as the suspect is 100% going to walk. In the perfect world we could crowd source and solve crime but sadly it just isnt that easy.... him stating it just ego why they dont release stuff is clearly not true.
The only people who claimed he was going to propose to Alexis are from her family and friends. Nobody on his side of things have backed this up. Brian was flirting with other women…..he was not that into Alexis. She was clearly way more interested in him.
I find these cases where someone disappears in an inhabited area (city, town, on a road) much more unsettling than national parks disappearances. There are exceptions of course, but the vast majority of national parks disappearances are ultimately explicable by some kind of variation on “they got lost and died from misadventure”, and that’s not exactly unexpected in the wilderness. Although it can and does happen that people in urban areas wander into some place they’re not supposed to and get stuck somewhere and die where their body isn’t found (eg people have died stuck behind refrigerators in supermarkets and not been found for years), it’s so much more of a freak occurrence compared to out in the woods. But in either case urban disappearances exist in this place where the explanation is either some kind of truly bizarre thing happened, or that something sinister happened. There’s no in between where the explanation is something totally normal.
digging a little deeper I read that dogs traced Brians scent to a Wendy's located behind the Tuna and that was also where the girls from the bar had parked their car. I also read that there was one dumpster that didn't get checked before it was collected and sent to a landfill in Tennessee
Because they're incredibly unreliable (so unreliable that even courts won't allow them to be used for evidence), many things can effect the results, even if the person is telling the truth, such as medications, health conditions, the emotional state of the person, the environment, possibly even subconscious thoughts, and the administrator can misread the results. Even the American Psychological Association says there is no evidence that a pattern of physical responses, such as the ones that polygraphs test for, can confirm that someone is being deceptive. Polygraphs are junk, so it's no wonder lawyers and suspects would refuse to take one, especially since the general public don't know how unreliable they are and still think they're accurate
The polygraph was invented by a guy who also used them on plants and wrote a whole book about how plants can read minds and feel pain of things around them. It's actually so insane any police/investigators still use polygraph.
Folks all courts say no to polygraphs, not just lawyers. Theyre inadmissible as evidence since they have been proven time and time again to be quack science. Cops love them just like they love all forms of fake criminal 'science'.. it gives them an excuse to hire another government employee/expand their budget etc/engage in more tactics to falsely imprison people in a for profit system.
Depends where you are. He definitely can’t have gone out through the main entrance/exit. The emergency exit, however, didn’t have cameras; it did have a security guard.
@@TheLoreLodge Who could easily have been slipped a $20 to let him go out? Was thinking about the Tijuana sighting too - and it appears that the FBI involvement was sometime in February 2020; given that (and I hate to excuse the FBI of anything!!) it may be that they literally couldn't go to Tijuana in March 2020 to investigate a 'random homeless guy'. Personally, I'd expect that finance may be a large part of the reason: If Brian had already racked up Medical Study debt and (potentially, according the the anecdotal arguments) been blowing through his Mom's life insurance money irresponsibly; finding himself needing to becme a doctor in order solely to pay off his student debts would be a massive amount of internalized pressure for a guy who just (perhaps) wants to play around and be a wandering minstrel / rock god. He would also not be letting down his parents, sadly, by that stage - and his brother would hopefully be well taken care of by inheriting everything. Surely if Brian deliberately did give away his phone that's a fairly major clue that he doesn't want to be traced - if that was his phone passed over. Could still be foul play of course, but seems less likely.
I used to install and set up cctv cameras. The tech has gone a long way since 2007. I was in HS in '07 but I can only imagine that the best cctv cams at the time had maybe 240p. Plus I live a mile and a half away and there is a big padio that wraps around the front that you could perhaps slip out through without being on camera. Also 2007 would be pre-gentrification OSU. I wouldn't be walking around alone at night a block east from that area back then. It's safe now but then...big nope.
@@andrewmaximo4485 I think he probably exited through the construction area, mouthed off to someone or stood up to someone who mouthed off to him, got killed, and got tossed into a dumpster. He could have gotten stuck in a weird dead space within the building or between buildings, but you'd think that he would have been found by now. The idea that he ran off to start a new life is absolutely asinine.
This reminds me of a case I saw a video on before, where a guy vanished inside a bar and ended up being found a long time after in a basement wall. He apparently crawled through a small hole and got suck in a void in the wall and died there.
Wasn't there one were they were remodeling and they found a missing guy behind the refrigerator/freezer in a restaurant and it looked like he was on top and fell head first behind it. Not sure how there was no smell???
@@kelleemerson9510he was mummified so he did not decompose normally, and people actually did complain of a bad smell but chalked it up to rotting food because it was a grocery store after all.
On the night he disappeared, Brian had just taken final exams for medical school. How did he do on these exams? If, for example, he failed these exams and / or showed evidence of not having given a real effort, this could add to your theory that he disappeared on his own free will
That’s actually a really good point!! I’ve seen a few videos about this case, and for all the details it seems his scores have never been released. Yeah, he pulled all-nighters that week & historically got good grades, but that doesn’t mean he did this time around
The fact that just a few days before his disappearance, he told his girlfriend to find somebody else because she didn't want to RUN AWAY with him, ok because he knew he was going away. On his own free will, should tell you everything you need to know.
Hmm. If I had to guess, I would speculate that Brian did decide to disappear and start over. I think he may have contacted Clint after the fact and told him, but begged him not to tell anyone. That's why Clint was cooperative at first and then clammed up suddenly. He contacted the lawyer to advise him how he could protect Brian's secret without incriminating himself.
A lot of people have come to that conclusion, what most people don't realize is that it is nearly impossible to cover your tracks to make it look like you just vanished.
@@CurtisEarle-b7w Not really. There are whole underground industries for illegals coming in through mexico. Fake IDs, real socials under other names, etc. If you know the right people and have some cash, you CAN disappear.
I just read ur comment as I was checking the description on the video to see if I accidentally changed it to the next video or something. I was like WTF am I listening too!!!’
I find it so creepy when people who go missing in that something sinister happened but we have no solid idea and the person's soul is crying for someone to realise!...
I was a student at the time and friends with security at ugly tuna...he didn't jump off the balcony. Staff did it often to retrieve phones. He would have been seen. There were cops always standing in that area below - and it was a high traffic area.
Exactly man. The cameras make it unlikely he was kidnapped. And no one heard any unusual noise. This case is pretty much unsolvable with the evridecne we have at the moment
@@ajnegro2052 yeah i wanna know more about the owner of the old tuna saloon spot and who his bartenders were. Also, who were the guards at the escalator entry?
Excellent work! Yours is the best researched report I’ve seen about this case. Yours is the only report that mentions the possibility of Brian exiting the bar out the window onto to the roof below.
Imagine being just a random homeless man in Tijuana and multiple law enforcement agencies in two different countries start harassing you and accusing you of being a missing American guy. I can kind of see why they didn’t aggressively interrogate that angle when the tech told them “not a match.”
The idea of someone just casually going to med school while they wait to get a band together makes no sense to me. I wonder if someone in his family pressured him to go to med school and after his mom died he said f it.
I think too much is made of his wanting to get away and fantasizing about lounging on a beach somewhere playing his guitar. Getting a professional degree is hard, and that’s ESPECIALLY true if it’s a medical degree, and then to be dealing with his mother’s illness and eventual death at the same time … not surprising that he seemed like he wanted to escape for a while, that he seemed less than enthusiastic about medical school. You get grief mixed with overwork, stress, possible burnout (pulling all nighters for recent midterms). Many a graduate student feels this way, and you wish you were on a beach somewhere, but that’s just fantasy. You hop on a plane for spring break, get some sleep, return to school and get on with it. I remember feeling a similar way in law school while battling with untreated ADHD and personal problems, and I’m 100% sure if I disappeared by accident or misadventure and investigators read my diary they would have thought I decided to abandon my life and drink mojitos on an island somewhere. And that wasn’t anywhere as difficult or stressful as medical school, I’m sure. What Brian was going through only seems noteworthy to people who either never earned a doctorate-level degree or who have but are extremely talented and had it come easily to them. I really don’t find his attitude unusual at all. Some people are in medical school, etc, because they’re extremely driven, and it becomes their entire life and what they base their identity on; this guy had other stuff going on his life as well and other interests. Meh. Not a big enough deal to make me think he abandoned his entire life, including his grieving family, without even packing clean underwear and some extra money.
I totally believe he was thinking of leaving. People “disappear” for all the time for a multitude of reasons. He had many reasons to: didn’t want to be a Doctor and saw the opportunity to leave that life behind, the death of his mother could have easily kicked him into gear to make different choices in life, and depression. The tells for me are the things he said to his girlfriend; he basically asked her to come with him, effectively asking her to quit her own medical career to which she understandably declined, then he told her she should find someone else a couple of days before his disappearance. That could arguably be considered a form of planning on his part. I think people make a big deal about his friend’s involvement. He was rightly advised by his counsel, and NO ONE should be questioned without proper counsel. Another layer to this is that if Clint was on a scholarship, many schools will retract your scholarship if you get tied up with something that brings in the police. People want to argue this, but Clint did the right thing. It looks like everyone in his circle took their studies seriously and their lives since have proved this. I can't say I feel the same about him. That's not at all a judgement on my part, I'm just offering up some food for thought.
It's actually not a bad mix. My day job is as a medical massage therapist. My side hustle is as an artist (painter, primarily) Because of the work I do, I got time to do my side hustle stuff and I make enough between the two of them that I am comfortable in life. Now, granted, I didn't go for being a doctor or anything but that's because I never wanted to be rich, just comfortable.
Ugh I’m so happy to see more videos covering him!!! This case has always been so interesting to me and I’m so glad the lore lodge is making vids about it😭
I worked at the grocery store, Sunflower Market, the entire time it was open. It was part of an ill-fated “natural foods” grocery project by SuperValu Inc. and that particular location was only open for about a year and a half (it closed in early 2008 due to the economic recession as well as the company biting off more than it could chew by acquiring Albertson’s). I can’t speak for the particular time period in which Brian disappeared, but we had a gigantic trash compactor at the back of the store by the loading dock and it was accessible by the shared hallways. I don’t know what the refuse collection situation was before Sunflower opened, so I don’t know if that would be another avenue of exiting the building unseen. I can also echo the sentiments I saw elsewhere in the comments about the special degree of ineffectiveness of the CPD. The entire vice squad had to be disbanded due to rampant corruption. They had to bring in the FBI to do an investigation. I’m serious, google Columbus, Ohio vice squad and just read all the articles that pop up.
I like the compactor theory (not that it’s a good thing, but just that it could be a decent explanation for it). It could also be why the dogs couldn’t find him in it. Garbage can throw dogs off.
My heart goes out to Derek. I can’t imagine being so young and losing my parents AND brother in such tragic ways. Lord have mercy on him, that he should have a loving, supportive community around him
Ur absolutely right about the neighborhoods around the Ohio State campus being extremely dangerous. My son was sent to the picu at Ohio State Children's Hosp after birth in June of 1998. My husb and I stayed at the Ronald McDonald house across the street from the hospital, maybe 50ft from the entrance, 2 lanes each way, small street, and were told by the hospital staff NOT to go across the street to the hospital, even during the day, without a security guard's escort. Crazy hoods in Columbus
The children’s hospital is I a terrible area of town. Pay isn’t as bad. It’s college housing. Not far from the fancy Victorian village are and short birth was a good place back then.
The problem I have is that I was 24 years old in 2006 and yes cameras were a thing but we didn't really know it. People didn't really have a concept that what you're doing in front of a camera is forever. So the idea he or someone else avoided the cameras is off to me
That's one of the main reasons why I don't think he intentionally disappeared. I think he walked through the construction site cause he was drunk and didn't notice it wasn't the way he came in and something bad happened after he left
@@candicehiles729 unless you DO want to disappear. I'm pretty sure (and of course I'm not assuming that it's what happened but if it is) that if he did want to disappear without a trace, he would think of the cameras. People still knew there were CCTV cameras. And it wasn't his first time there so he could have easily known where they were.
@Black_Knight15why get drunk off your a$$ the night you're planning something so serious? That would take precise movements and thinking to pull off? He wasn't running from the law. He could have easily told his remaining family "this is to much, I want to start my life over and I'm leaving". Why be so secretive and hurt your brother and father who are also grieving? I don't believe he ran away and started a new life.
i find it quite weird that clint and meredith (?) just left without really looking for brian? isn't it kind of a universally accepted rule that you don't leave a night out without your friends or at last knowing what they're up to? and than even the next day, they just called him a couple of times but didn't even go to his apartment to check what's up. i think most people would never be this careless about their friend. based on just this, i'm pretty sure they knew what happened to him, whether foul play or disappearing on his own record.
I think this is one of the most in-depth dives into this case I've ever seen. Brian's disappearance is one of the first "we can't really call this a true crime case but it's heckin weird" cases I ever got interested in, and goddamn did y'all do it justice. I really appreciate that you gave equal credence to all potentials; I don't think I've ever seen a presenter make a good case for voluntary disappearance, but you did a great job with it.
Hearing your history segments are always so fascinating. Personally, I live in Ohio, so I've been to the Serpent mounds and learned about the Hopewell in school. It's astonishing how different/misinformed the education was. I do recommend going to the mounds if you have the chance. It's a very relaxing walk if you go during a less popular month. They have places to look at the mounds from up higher, and it is such a lovely place. ♡
I keep thinking of the case of Annie Le. Yale student who was murdered in her lab. CCTV never showed her leaving her work place, only for her body to be found stuffed inside a wall.
This is easily the best video on this case I’ve ever seen. I’ve been into true crime content for a long time. This is one of the ones that’s always stuck with me for some reason.
I have been fascinated with this particular case for years and love watching coverage of the case, and I have NEVER seen anyone cover it like you have. Everyone I have watched has ruled out the possibility that he could have left on his own so firmly that it was almost mind blowing hearing you fully dive in and cover everything! Thank you as always for the dedicated coverage (and the always loved history lessons!)
He was an adult though. He didn't need to be secretive and hurt the only family he had left. He could have moved away and started on his own without hiding and lying. Plus, to choose to do it on a night you've been drinking/prob drunk? He didn't have any warrants so why cause even more pain to your brother and dad when he didn't have to?
been a while since i heard of this one, almost forgot about it, so im glad you made a video! cant watch the yuba county one, seen too much stuff about them and its so sad
28:30 THIS, case close. Human/Organ trafickers. Also, if the camera was overwrote by bar's staff then Security is on it too. Disgregar security. We have a door not look at by a manualy controled camera. It just fits tipical traficker operation. 1-Search for Targetz in social media. Boisterous, teens, with BIG DREAM, gulible and physically atletic. He fits them all, giving so much personal information and picture out in the public. 2-Get the target to an acomplice local, or one with bad security. 3-Aproach target with "Manager" or "Babes" using big promises. 4-Separate target from friend and witneses. 5-Get target isolated. 6-Kidnap. You can even see most of them in thefootage if you where able. Searching for similar cases and disapearnces around 3-6 months appart will confirm it. The police also keeping tings hidden implicate they may have been following the traficking ring, or internal corruption trying to sweep t under the rug.
This has nothing to do with the video but my 3 month old loves listening to this channel at bedtime. Never makes it more than 30 minutes in before she's asleep. Congrats Aiden, you're a master storyteller lol
This is a great way to get your kids interested in history early! I remember I used to spend hours half asleep on the floor while my dad would be binging the history channel. I didn't know it then, but that was planting some very early seeds of the passion that would burst into full bloom come College. 😊
Something strikes me as off about playing a channel focused on murders and missing people, the evils in the world, to an infant.....so many more positive things you could be playing for one so young and innocent, maybe classical music or scriptural lullabies.... You play this channel for you, not her.
I heard that Brian had gotten into a fight with staff at the club and they threw him into the garbage compactor and was crushed to death and that’s why he was never seen again.
I wonder what time the dogs were brought into sniff for Brian and when they threw out the garbage (which was never checked by police). The dogs would have sniffed Brians scent in the trash if he had been in there, I'm guessing.
Others have mentioned a large garbage compactor on site big enough to fall into. Did you find any evidence this was true? He could have been killed or injured by the fall and removed undetected to a landfill without anyone there knowing anything had happened
I'm a bit confused at how he would fall into a garbage compactor unless it was below a ledge? Those things are usually pretty closed up (for safety reasons). Someone would have had to leave the top open AND he'd have to be above it, climbing it, or crawling in the shoot for some reason.=
Are you sure this isn't a conflation of details with the later case of Corrie McKeague in England? His disappearance was equally vexing to many because he was last seen on CCTV walking around the corner of a cul-de-sac from which there were seemingly no viable means of him exiting without him walking back out of then cul-de-sac where he would've been picked up again on video. But he never was. However, it was noted that there were trash lorries servicing the bins in the cul-de-sac within a few hours of him entering the cul-de-sac. Ultimately, a 2022 inquest determined he had likely gotten into a trash bin where he fell unconscious (he was intoxicated and had been out drinking also), and when the lorry serviced the bin he had entered, his bodied would have been dumped into the rear of lorry and consequently crushed by its compactor.
If you haven’t read “That Dark And Bloody River” you should, it’s about settling the Ohio River Valley. Might sound a little boring but I assure you that it’s far from it.
In all the videos I have watched on this case, the one thing missing from the discussions is a map of the interior of the Ugly Tuna, showing the exits. Without a map it's very hard to visualize the exits and where they lead. Further, if Brian had jumped over the "mad mex"? restaurant balcony (?), a nearby outside camera would surely have picked him up in its footage. My understanding is that no outside camera has Brian leaving the building wherein the Ugly Tuna was located in 2006.
Been there 100+ times during my time. Here’s your map. 1. Rectangular floor plan - booths east wall, rectangular bar center east screwed. Larger open area west side. 2. One entrance/exit, south east corner - this unbelievably close to the escalator shown in videos. 3. Balcony is north wall - that drop was sketchy and would’ve made a scene. So many people around that time of night as well as bar staff on the balcony and behind band. 4. Bathrooms are close to entrance, south east corner. 5. Kitchen west of those bathrooms, south wall.
Two thoughts: 1) To climb down the awnings/roof unnoticed by anyone seems unlikely, someone would definitely remember "that drunk guy climbing stuff." 2) He looks skinny enough to possibly slip through a barely open door. Maybe the auto-turning camera started to turn when the door was ajar and stopped and turned back when it closed again like it wasn't open long enough to complete it's program, and he just slipped through too fast.
Hey! I have heard this case on numerous podcasts abd other youtubers, BUT i will say i really like the way Aiden told this case,it really made me look at this in a different way! I was definitely thinking foul play,but after watching your theories, im leaning more towards he wanted to dissapear. The other youtubers didn't go into depth about brians relationship with his girlfriend, and your theory sounds very plausible! You did a great job covering this story! And btw my husband's name is Brian, so people commented on dont name your kid Brian,well thats just people bein sarcastic,its not cause of the name! Keep up the awesome work Lore Lodge!! Angela, from PA
@@donnaoklok9105 interesting. I'm not familiar with that case. In 94, magnolia thunderpussy and mean mister mustards would have been on that block, correct? And taco bell was on the east side of high?
@@baronvoncrags771yes, Mags was across the street and MMM / The Pit were on the east side. They really went all in creating an “artificially upscale area” right where we had the most fun.
@@donnaoklok9105 yeah, I was a tween in 94 but would go to mags with my older brother. I recall going back years later thinking "wait, this doesn't look right " lol. High Street from King to Lane is so incredibly boring now. Even 10 years ago it had some character. I think Larry's closing marked the end lol. But we're getting off topic.
Tip of the hat to the research you did in this case, and the awesome job you did explaining all the possibilities. I've watched many videos on this case, as i find it very intriguing and mysterious, yet almost all the other videos seemed to simply draw the conclusion that Brian is no longer with us, either from foul play, or an accident. Now that may be what ultimately happened, but thank you for providing thoughtful and insightful points that possibly lead to a different conclusion. We will never KNOW what happened until a body is found, or Brian himself is found alive...but props on doing the research needed to cover all possible angles. Much appreciated.
"As far as Brian's demeanor and his behavior while drinking, Hurst did confirm that Brian had been involved in a physical altercation after a sports game some months back." That is the most telling (and often overlooked) clue. Brian had a mouth on him. In mock elections, he could have been voted "most likely to mouth off to the wrong person and get murdered."
I really love your channel! I live near Columbus, Ohio. My sister used to be a bartender at that bar, but it wasn’t during the time that Brian went missing. Such an interesting case! By the way, the Scioto River is pronounced “Sigh-Oh-Toe”.
@@baronvoncrags771 Lol. Ok. I’m watching this for the first time although I’ve watched his channel before and he did pronounce it the way I typed it the second time he said it.
Maybe his friend knew he was planning to disappear. It would make sense why his friend wouldn't take a lie detector and everyone gets the vibe that he knows more.
He didn't take a lie detector test because he's well educated and any mildly educated person will tell you to never take a lie detector test because they are wildly inaccirate.
OH MY GOD I begged you guys to do some stuff with Roanoke on your community post as he is one of my favourite ever youtubers alongside ya'll. I saw a couple of other people mention him to you as well. I'm fucking stoked to hear that you're actually going to do it! It almost sounds like a trope I know, but it's genuinely my birthday today, and I don't really celebrate or do anything for it, but this is the best birthday gift I could ask for. Thank you so much! I definitely won't be missing ANY of the content you two collab on. You, him and Wendigoon all share a similar place in my heart lol
obviously this is strictly speculation but i wonder if the brief mention of Brian possibly questioning his sexuality wasn’t completely unsubstantiated and something happened between he and Clint? he got a girl’s phone number, he and Clint argued that night-whether it was before or after Brighton (idk if this was said) doesn’t rly change my hypothesis that he could’ve been doing it to hurt Clint’s feelings or some other adjacent performative reasoning. The gf mention in Brian’s myspace bio does read as kind of silly, which could just be a boy intentionally being goofy, or maybe he put it in there just to add further proof to his straightness. there was also Clint’s post on Brian’s myspace, maybe the allusion to him being a player was actually because *he* felt played by Brian if something romantic occurred between them. that would also explain Brian trying to goad Alexis into breaking up with him, not wanting to do it himself for whatever reason. this still doesn’t rly implicate Clint as a perpetrator in my opinion because the attorney could be due to paranoia of any given thing; being outed, getting caught being involved in illegal activity but not being Brian’s killer, etc. as for Brian’s cod/whereabouts, i don’t really believe he was avoiding cameras when leaving so under that assumption his body still being in the building makes the most sense to me; combining those two ideas perhaps he and Clint snuck off somewhere they shouldn’t have, arguing or otherwise, and Clint somehow knows what happened to him, or knows where his body is. i’ve heard this case so many times at this point but this theory never really crossed my mind until this time. i’m just speculating and am here for respectful and pleasant discussion only 😭😭
Yes I think something was definitely going on with him and Clint. That comment from Clint on his page saying "Don't be fooled ladies, he likes ass tags" ... I kinda took that as Clint low key pointing out that Brian was gay. I don't see how that could be interpreted as being a player at all. He was clearly saying Brian likes *butt stuff*
To add to this theory: 1. Meredith described her relationship with Clint as if they were dating, but Clint claimed they were just friends. Their relationship status seems murky. 2. Brian's brother seems convinced that Clint was involved. I'm assuming his brother would know more about the case and about Brian's life than the public ever could.
As someone who relatively recently went through medical school, I think suicide is an idea that should be at least entertained. Physician and medical student suicide is a huge issue, and second year is when you study for and take Step One - the BIG one- and the stress is so intense. My school had so many suicides that they had a therapist and psychiatrist on retainer. Combine that with grief, and alcohol, leading to poor judgement… I hope it’s not the case but it could be. That may also explain why the friend won’t talk about the case- perhaps Brian said something and he feels guilty for not trying harder to stop him. Also, when applying to residency, every program looks you up- the friend may have wanted to avoid that being the only thing talked about on interviews and/or keeping him from getting interviews.
@@simonfea2boohoo, the most lucrative jobs require more schooling. Blame the uni's who increase costs every year while offering a decreased value in the same time period
The "starving" in "starving artist" doesn't always just refer to food. Plenty of "starving artists" had day jobs, but they were starving for attention, recognition, depth, or something more existential like meaning or joy in their work.
Good video. Couple of points. If Brian had left via the balcony, there were other cameras that would have seen him. There was an interview done with one of the newly assigend detectives. They commented that there was simply no way to to leave the area without a camera observing Brian. So I think we can rule out balcony. Another point, in the same interview, the detective stated that cameras captured Clint and Meredith leaving the bar, entering the parking ramp, leaving the parking ramp, arriving back at Clint's apartment all at the appropriate time. While Clint might know if Brian started a new life, he wasn't directly involved in Brian's disappearance it appears.
3:41 !!!!! My partner and I visited the Grave Creek mound today and read all about this!! We started watching your channel recently and realized that neither of us really know anything about the Native American tribes that used to inhabit our different regions, so we went to the museum for the Grave Creek Mound to learn more. It was extremely enjoyable, and now I’m nerding out at hearing what I learned there today on this channel. (Btw, the mound you showed when mentioning the possibility of them being used militarily is the Grave Creek Mound, and those features were added later by settlers. It was used as high ground during the Civil War, and there was even a bar atop it at one point. Also the settler who originally discovered it, purchased it and refused to let anyone disturb it because he was sure it was a burial ground for Native Americans and didn’t want to disturb their grave. Unfortunately his son didn’t share his views, and allowed excavation. It was in fact a burial mound, hence the name of the nearby creek as Grave Creek.)
Several mounds seem to have had bars on top at some point. Here in the South, some people would build their houses on them, because it was high ground when the area flooded. Now with the levee systems, most of these places don't flood near as much, but there are still a few old homes on mounds in MS and LA that I know of.
One of my favorite parts of this channel is that Aidan always devotes a segment to Regional indigenous history. Sadly, even though it's an enormous part of the history of the land we live on, so much of our early education as Americans glosses over, or omits entirely, the rich and complex history of these nations of people. Which is supremely unfair, considering we took everything from them and then completely erased them from our history books to add insult to injury. I think the fact that he does this is what sets him apart from a lot of other True Crime channels!
Would you consider covering some more MMIW cases? Specifically Kaysera Stops Pretty Places. The circumstances surrounding her death and the police investigation are extremely wierd (cremating her body against the familys wishes, not informing them for several days after her body was found, and allegations of corruption in the area). I haven't seen any other content creators who research as thoughly as you do. The more people who presssure our state and tribal police, the more people who hold him accountable. I love your stuff!! Thank you for trying to bring closure to these families and people
You map all the pings on his phone And you map all the pings of Clint and his girlfriend after that night. If they match...... He gave her his phone possibly and she put it in her purse. Did she say "Hey Brian, why don't I help your phone in my purse so you don't lose it. Now they have his body and no way to track where he ends up.
I still think its odd that he isnt visible in camera frame, if his intention was to run away why would that entail faking himself not leaving the bar? I dont see how "teleporting out of the bar" is a useful part of disappearing since you could just leave the bar the normal route and then disappear into the city.
Wendigoon shouted you guys out on the Red Thread for your extensive cover of the dyatlov pass ( know that prob spelled wrong, lol) Hope some folks come your way!! U guys do great work. Keep it up!!
I’ve heard this story a lot throughout the years and nothing about it ever made sense. Recently I experienced something with a friend of similar age and hearing this story again makes me wonder if this could be a theory. I wonder if his mom’s death triggered a psychotic break and with the mix of alcohol and prior talk of wanting to leave but his gf not wanting to maybe he fell into a delusional state that night and lost control of his actions. It doesn’t explain how no one saw him leave, BUT it could explain giving his number out, maybe scaling that roof. There was no history of mental illness in my experience. Yet the delusions were so bad they ended up on the other side of the country with nothing but a dead phone. Only until they took their meds were they aware of what they had done. It took a while for friends to even realize this person was acting strange. I think it’s possible his gf and friends didn’t realize the difference between grief and maybe something deeper. I think it’s very plausible that Brian had a mental break and possibly slipped out and just disappeared without a trace. Possibly leading to his death somewhere unknown or a new life under a different version of himself. My recent experience completely changed the way I look at grief and this really felt similar. But idk just a theory… I hope one day they find him❤
The play button on the wall is sooo distracting because it’s mounted literally touching another picture ! Who does this please move your play button 2 inches to the left completing a beautiful aunthentic background ! Btw I love your content 😊
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In the Preppy Handbook “tuna” is slang for “girlfriend.”
your 1 liners before every intro of the episode are so bad they remind me of horatio caine from csi miami when he does it :D
i hate you.....i was just getting ready to go to bed, and now i have to stay up and watch your greatness
I did try to warn you guys how corrupt Ridley cops are
in your research did you come across the Sun Watch community? southwest Ohio. they have been studying the site for a long time and may have info your looking for .
my father is a detective in scotland, i often watch channels like yours with him and he never appreciated the evidence they proposed nor their skill at factually gathering it. however he always praises the work done by yourself, saying that you explore every possibility (even supernatural though he doesn't pay any credence to such reasons) We now watch every video within an hour of release and is the highlight of our weeks sometimes, thank you
Random note but, I love your grammar and way of writing! Hard to find people who notice such things online but now but good job 👍
@@Swerv0.Not that I want to be critical, and I feel bad for pointing this out, but their grammar in that comment is terrible.
The sentence structure is decent, but the grammar is terrible.
Well, I say sentence structure because of the way I can tell it would flow if they were speaking, even though there's only one full stop and no capitalisation of the beginning of any potential sentences.
I'm sorry, I wouldn't normally make a point of anyone else's grammar (especially when mine isn't perfect) but in this case where it's being clearly incorrectly praised, I feel strangely compelled to. I'm sorry. I hope this comment isn't perceived as an attack at all.
@@CryptidRenfridon't you attack me with your clothes on!
@@Swerv0. I was just going to comment something along the same lines! Refreshing, huh? :)
Brian's poor little brother! He lost his mom to cancer, then his brother disappeared, then his dad dies in a freak accident 😭
I know. Feel so bad for that kid. I hope he's okay now.
Brian is most likely dead
@@cripbk2147 And the sky is blue. No sh*t, lol.
@@kathryncumberland then why you say he disappeared when he dead
@@cripbk2147 Because I was thinking of how his brother must feel and relatives rarely want to admit their loved one is dead without their body proving it.
I don't think it's necessarily suspicious that Clint lawyered up and shut up. Any lawyer would tell him "there are signs that point to you whether you did it or not, your best move at this point is to keep your mouth shut." That doesn't mean he did anything, just that innocent people do get convicted because of circumstantial evidence, maybe he felt like he should consult a lawyer just in case, and any lawyer would tell him to shut up.
Clint is doing what you should do if you're innocent.
If there is any hint of suspicious from the cops Lawyers up and plead the 5th immediately.
Yeah. Even if someone is trying to help, if you're in any sort of way a suspect, talking about anything to anyone is one of the dumbest things you can do.
I think a lot of people have the impression that the universal advice to "say absolutely nothing and get a lawyer" is some kind of stereotype, or even just paranoia, and that it couldn't possibly be that severe of a problem in any real-world situation, and they are just entirely wrong.
The number of completely innocent people who've caused themselves massive headaches, or gotten themselves into big trouble, by opening their mouths is astonishing.
Oh for sure, if a friend I went to a bar with disappeared, and Id just had a fight with them, Id have a lawyer _immediately._ Id know what theyd think of that
Rule # 1: ALWAYS GET A LAWYER. ESPECIALLY if you're innocent.
Especially given Clint's somewhat rocky past with Brian. It would be way too easy for authorities to take some of the incidents that occured between the two and run to a conclusion that may be false.
What you said about police not collaborating with outsiders, they even refuse Ken Mains, former police, former cold case detective, founder of a cold case association. He made a great comment to them once regarding a really old, famous case. They said they would not allow anyone to help out, and he asked, "And how's that working out for you? " As you can imagine, the detectives were not amused.
Considering they were being clowns I can't imagine why.
That is so arrogant and crazy, when a life is at stake, and a father and brother and girlfriend are in such severe grief, I would have taken help from another country, and I would have put pressure on that alleged friend of his, you never leave a friend behind, he should have been concerned immediately, no matter what Brian was doing, you never leave a friend ever 🤷♀️😣🥺❤️🩹.
The l9cal police should not be permitted to refuse help, at least not from government agencies such as the FBI. They did that same thing in the Jon Bonet Ramsey case & what a mess the police made out of that.
We need laws in place that prevent this type of police ego interference with investigations.
Someone knows something and I bet more then one person has information they are withholding.
@@megs4193You’re right! And, as far as I can tell, Clint not Meredith called the next day to see in he got home a-ok. Also, the fact that Clint changed his name and moved away seems somewhat suspect to me, too.
@@nancy2anne it's all so awful isn't it. So many yong wasted lives, around the planet, or innocent people gone. Thank you nancy2anne, i appreciate that. The very least we can do as human beings, is the very least we can do, we can't be super heroes, but we can, look after friends and innocent strangers 🙂 I'm 54 now, my favourite weekends are when one or 2 of my grandchildren come and stay. And even here in Tasmania, i teach them with their parents, this is the world occasionally, better to be alway prepared than not. To many people have been lost. It has to stop. Thank you again for being kind in the comments, i appreciate little things like that. Because today, in this world, a kind word is huge, i agree with you too. About changing his name and moving away. If there's a crime, somewhere there will be evidence, if the get the chance to put resources on it.. it's so tragic, Nancy, it really is 👋🙂 ❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🩹.
Hey Lore Lodge , I have a case here in Ontario Canada . The lost boys of Pickering. Today marks 29 years of their disappearances. 6 teenage/young men party one night and decided to steal a boat and a big wheel water cycle and head into Lake Ontario never to be seen again . No trace of them or the boat . Quick briefing of the case . Would love to see your work on it , I think it's right up your alley.
Yea that's one weird ass case
I mean, just on the surface, it seems like the boat may have sunk. There are still missing freighters under the lakes, I'm not surprised a boat and a water cycle couldn't be located :(
Sunk boat, rich kids, drunk, water. Draw your own conclusions💀
It's a huge lake, is it really a mystery?
@@PhoenicopterusR I don't think people properly understand just how big they are.
I'm a born Ohioan and my former roommate's mother was murdered in Columbus, possibly for the contents of her purse. Though the family is convinced they know the guilty party, the CPD refused to even interview the person. I know some truly awesome policemen, but they do NOT work in Columbus.
I'll drink to that! 🥂
#TPD ALSO suck!
Remember when the columbus police shot Casey Goodson Jr for entering his house with a subway sandwich?
I live in Newark, OH, and your statement about the CPD is accurate.
My friends Mom was poisoned by her 2nd husband. Friend had Moms hair tested & positive for poison. Husband had Mom cremated within 2 days & claimed all of Moms inheritance, home, personal possessions, etc. Law Enforcement disregarded friends findings.
You just described any police department in Louisiana unfortunately. We still have Napoleonic Law in the state. America’s own banana republic 🍌🫤.
Damn, you gotta feel for the brother: Lost mom to cancer, brother missing, dad died by falling tree branch. I'm only 40:00 in at this point so I don't know...😧
This is so true. I always think about Derek and what a tough road this has been for him.
Brian was in my graduating class, I met him in first grade. He was a such a sweet soul, a generally nice, funny, smart, just cool guy. I saw him about 2 weeks before he went missing; his mom had just passed. It was just a random Wednesday and I had been eating lunch. In walked Brian-I can still see his huge smile. We talked for like a half hour. I think about the day often and I wonder where is he? Where did he go?!
Anyway, I’m sorry this was so long! Did not mean to go on and on.. I wanted to let you know that I 2nd your sentiment-Derek lost his entire family in such a short amount of time.
Cursed, they’re cursed. Simple as that. Some great-great grandfather of Brian probably ripped off a Gypsy; they don’t take kindly to that.
There is not a "limit" to how much sorrow or happiness we each get...like eeyore says "we can't all, and some of us dont"
@3:38 *Puts a finger on your lips and whispers in your ear* “Don’t you ever apologize for being you. Explain history to me now.”
Bro….💀
Oh snap 😂😂 whew look out❤!!
Ass tag?
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That translated to: "Is it day"
huh?🤔😅
Hopefully, my partner someday! 😊
I'd honestly really like to meet someone someday who is as much of a history buff as I am.
Good stuff.
I absolutely love how you go over the Native tribes that lived in the area before talking about whatever happened there in each video. Their history is always so fascinating to me!!
You should look into the case of Thomas Brown from Canadian, TX. He was a teenager that went missing from a small rural town under very suspicious circumstances the night before Thanksgiving. Everyone suspected local law enforcement who had harassed Thomas in the past. Sure enough a year or two after he went missing, one of those suspicious officers found some of his remains in an area that had been searched many times before. This case needs more exposure and more eyes looking at it!
I love your videos and respect all the work y'all put into them! Thank you!
I was totally wrapped up in your native history lesson, you started talking about Brian again, was like woahh who tf is this guy? Totally forgot why I was here lol
I swear I do that with every video lol
😂😂😂same...I had to go back and look at the title 😂😂😂.
Lmao 2 minutes in I was like "Wait I'm not here for the history of Ohio" and skipped the history lesson😅
When does that eventually happen, 15 minutes in now and Brian’s name was at least mentioned…?
@@GalvMermaid50
Omg I did the same
Thing 😂
i just went to the gateway film center to see stopmotion last week. i think about brian every time i go up those escalators. the space where the ugly tuna saloona used to be is completely blocked off now. every few years, i see a new billboard with brian’s face on it. there was briefly one by my house in late 2023. it was really tragic to hear that his father passed without getting any answers. i don’t want to believe brian would willingly do that to his dad.
I follow various true crime TH-camrs, this case is one of the ones I desperately wish he would be found. The other one I really want to be solved is the disappearance of Jodie Hisentruit…I may be spelling that wrong.
If both are dead then they are together and know what happened.At least that's what I believe
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That’s what I’d like to believe.
@@monicafolsom7439 I also am interested in these .
Wait. I thought there was a Cazuela's where Ugly Tuna used to be? I know the Ugly Tuna is now located on Chittenden. This video makes me want to drive to Gateway and see if you can slip out without being on camera. Ugly Tuna did have an outdoor padio where you can easily hop the fence. I live in Clintonville but I hardly go to college bars unless there's a homegame. I think there is still a billboard up by Morse and Indianola that his surviving family kept paying for all these years.
If you were born, oh, 30 years earlier, you would have been an investigate journalist on the award winning show 20/20, next to Barbara Walters.You deserve more awards, dude.This is top notch.
Wow, that’s a bit of an insult, don’t you think? Dang.
@@ichangedmynameforyoutubeyeah babs walters was a joke
@@LateNightRewrites 💯! And a terrible person to boot!
Had he been born 30 yrs earlier, he would be way better than B. Walters.
Damn. Why you hating on dude like that 😂
Ever seen one of those videos where a car appears out of nowhere in a busy intersection? The car is just perfectly hidden from view, but it’s really spooky. That’s what happened here. He walked out the door and another person blocked the view of him.
Could yes but even so he still never made it home
Aidan needing clarification on "burning one up with Bob Marley" is so adorably innocent. 😂
Penn State is supposed to be a party school. maybe party's in Pennsylvania are different. as in lame.
Hes full of sht.He knew.
The way this guy went missing reminds me of that story of the dude who got stuck in the grocery store he worked at. Either behind the shelving or on top of walk in or soemthing like that. They looked all over for him and only found him like 15 years later upon service or remodeling. Or that other dude that died in like baltimore or soemthing in a little square of unused space between a bunch of buildings
this happens...
They tore down the original building eventually didn't they? So he would have been found at that point.
@lynpatricia6854 No, the building is still there. The bar closed, though.
Ewwww, I know that case!! Yeah he was found behind a freezer unit. They never heard his cries for help bc of the motors running and the fans. What a horrible way to go. I believe his arms were even up over his head. That’s how tight the space he was in was. How horrible. This case with Brian, not knowing is just awful.
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There wasn't a door he could break? Or a phone? Anywhere?
Aiden: this guy goes by a different name on LinkedIn now.
Also Aiden: here's his whole work history.
Yeah I really didn't like that. There was a lot of information given about him that wasn't relevant to the story, and could easily lead to people directly harassing him.
@@anthonycastellaneta4956nah
Seriously though.
@@anthonycastellaneta4956 agree, not cool guys.
@@anthonycastellaneta4956 If The Lore Lodge can find him, anyone can find him. It's not like TLL are working with court orders or warrants or the power and overreach of the NSA or something.
As a columbus resident, I live down the street from Ugly Tuna Saloona, I pass it multiple times a week and I never knew !
It reopened a new location near the old location
There are still some Brain Shaffer billboards around the city too.
The wildest stories are always right beneath our noses aren't they
That's because Columbus doesn't like to put their failures on blast and generally sweeps them under the rug. There's a lot more where this came from.
Do tell. @@CandiRhae00
I absolutely believe that after a certain point in a case, they should be forced to release every single document tied to the case and have it be publicly viewable for anyone to see, since there have been many times where cases like this could've been solved had the information not been tucked away in some evidence locker that only the police could view.
This would be an interesting concept. If, say, a case has been cold for 50 years, all files become public, public are able to form hypotheses and fund specifically approved private detectives (to stop vigilante crap/harassment etc.) to chase leads that come up from the public research.
@@herstoryanimatedtruly cold cases sure, but I'd say prior to that those files should be open to request like PI, and such. It feels weird to lock up a case so long until you are just hiding events, like in some coverups.
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt I definitely think there's an interesting avenue to be explored here, just do think vigilantism and poor interpretation would mean strict rules would need to be in place. I wonder if forming an organisation to manage the release of information and arrange the PI work would be best?
@@herstoryanimated yeah you could form an organization of like wikileaks version of public police cold cases that are not solve then have names date of incident possible suspects clues then have like a section where people give there imputs and clues and the best clue gets put at top then you created a file to pass it on to others to give there insights
There is a major issue or risk with this....with these unsolved cases it is common they are foul play. They generally have shreds of evidence, possible suspects or even person of interest, unreleased pieces that if some one know they are involved..
If they release these it could result in a multitude of things, 1. The suspects ability to further hide or muddy the trail 2. It might result in vigilante justice against a suspect who was not actually the murderer. 3. It might tip people off that they know more then they are letting on. 4. The element of blindsiding a suspect is gone...
There are many cases solveable in theory but when you have to prove them beyond a shadow of a doubt in court it is impossible. They will not try a case like that as the suspect is 100% going to walk.
In the perfect world we could crowd source and solve crime but sadly it just isnt that easy.... him stating it just ego why they dont release stuff is clearly not true.
The only people who claimed he was going to propose to Alexis are from her family and friends. Nobody on his side of things have backed this up. Brian was flirting with other women…..he was not that into Alexis. She was clearly way more interested in him.
I find these cases where someone disappears in an inhabited area (city, town, on a road) much more unsettling than national parks disappearances. There are exceptions of course, but the vast majority of national parks disappearances are ultimately explicable by some kind of variation on “they got lost and died from misadventure”, and that’s not exactly unexpected in the wilderness. Although it can and does happen that people in urban areas wander into some place they’re not supposed to and get stuck somewhere and die where their body isn’t found (eg people have died stuck behind refrigerators in supermarkets and not been found for years), it’s so much more of a freak occurrence compared to out in the woods. But in either case urban disappearances exist in this place where the explanation is either some kind of truly bizarre thing happened, or that something sinister happened. There’s no in between where the explanation is something totally normal.
Right got it, don't name your kids Brian.
And here i thought life of brian already taught us that... 😅
digging a little deeper I read that dogs traced Brians scent to a Wendy's located behind the Tuna and that was also where the girls from the bar had parked their car. I also read that there was one dumpster that didn't get checked before it was collected and sent to a landfill in Tennessee
Nice addition; thx
Those two girls are suspicious. I think they more than they say
There were supposedly “private dumpsters” whatever that means, and they did not get checked before being collected.
@@rockstarofredondoprivate dumpsters almost certainly would have been locked
Polygraphs aren't admissable in court and are a psychological technique. They aren't arbiters of truth or guilt, whatsoever.
I'm so happy you talked about the Indian mounds. I did a report on them in the third grade and I haven't been able to stop thinking about them since.
I don't think you're supposed to call Native Americans ’Indians’.
All lawyers say no to a polygraph.
It is the only logical response.
@@50iraqidinar all Vulcans also say no to polygraphs.
Because they're incredibly unreliable (so unreliable that even courts won't allow them to be used for evidence), many things can effect the results, even if the person is telling the truth, such as medications, health conditions, the emotional state of the person, the environment, possibly even subconscious thoughts, and the administrator can misread the results. Even the American Psychological Association says there is no evidence that a pattern of physical responses, such as the ones that polygraphs test for, can confirm that someone is being deceptive. Polygraphs are junk, so it's no wonder lawyers and suspects would refuse to take one, especially since the general public don't know how unreliable they are and still think they're accurate
The polygraph was invented by a guy who also used them on plants and wrote a whole book about how plants can read minds and feel pain of things around them. It's actually so insane any police/investigators still use polygraph.
Folks all courts say no to polygraphs, not just lawyers. Theyre inadmissible as evidence since they have been proven time and time again to be quack science.
Cops love them just like they love all forms of fake criminal 'science'.. it gives them an excuse to hire another government employee/expand their budget etc/engage in more tactics to falsely imprison people in a for profit system.
I read somewhere that the media has overblown how much coverage the cameras actually had and there's a large blind spot, but Idk how true that is.
Depends where you are. He definitely can’t have gone out through the main entrance/exit. The emergency exit, however, didn’t have cameras; it did have a security guard.
@@TheLoreLodge Who could easily have been slipped a $20 to let him go out? Was thinking about the Tijuana sighting too - and it appears that the FBI involvement was sometime in February 2020; given that (and I hate to excuse the FBI of anything!!) it may be that they literally couldn't go to Tijuana in March 2020 to investigate a 'random homeless guy'.
Personally, I'd expect that finance may be a large part of the reason: If Brian had already racked up Medical Study debt and (potentially, according the the anecdotal arguments) been blowing through his Mom's life insurance money irresponsibly; finding himself needing to becme a doctor in order solely to pay off his student debts would be a massive amount of internalized pressure for a guy who just (perhaps) wants to play around and be a wandering minstrel / rock god.
He would also not be letting down his parents, sadly, by that stage - and his brother would hopefully be well taken care of by inheriting everything.
Surely if Brian deliberately did give away his phone that's a fairly major clue that he doesn't want to be traced - if that was his phone passed over. Could still be foul play of course, but seems less likely.
I used to install and set up cctv cameras. The tech has gone a long way since 2007. I was in HS in '07 but I can only imagine that the best cctv cams at the time had maybe 240p. Plus I live a mile and a half away and there is a big padio that wraps around the front that you could perhaps slip out through without being on camera. Also 2007 would be pre-gentrification OSU. I wouldn't be walking around alone at night a block east from that area back then. It's safe now but then...big nope.
@@andrewmaximo4485 I think he probably exited through the construction area, mouthed off to someone or stood up to someone who mouthed off to him, got killed, and got tossed into a dumpster. He could have gotten stuck in a weird dead space within the building or between buildings, but you'd think that he would have been found by now. The idea that he ran off to start a new life is absolutely asinine.
Either way he never made it home
I just had my ACL repaired by a doctor named Brian Shaffer earlier this year. This title scared me so much for a second
Was it him
@@goose33 The truth is that his ghost repairs ACL's.
Another girl also comment on this type of video that he met a doctor brian and he look similar to this missing guy
@@mouaviahamza4849no way?? Where
Where was this??
Listening to Schaffer’s MySpace description is like………are we sure this dude was going to be a doctor lol?
This one defies speculation because if he was trying to “start fresh” why go out that night and be seen instead of quietly slipping off.
This reminds me of a case I saw a video on before, where a guy vanished inside a bar and ended up being found a long time after in a basement wall. He apparently crawled through a small hole and got suck in a void in the wall and died there.
See Canadian news report in Winnipeg, story and link upthread.
Wasn't there one were they were remodeling and they found a missing guy behind the refrigerator/freezer in a restaurant and it looked like he was on top and fell head first behind it. Not sure how there was no smell???
This was in Omaha, NE! And they did recognize a smell... But couldn't figure out where it was coming from
🤮@@kelleemerson9510
Sorry, Council Bluffs, IA. Same thing.
@@kelleemerson9510he was mummified so he did not decompose normally, and people actually did complain of a bad smell but chalked it up to rotting food because it was a grocery store after all.
“Brian Shaffer walks into a bar, and ..." -It’s like the worst joke of all time.
On April Fools' Day too.🤣
Its not april fools day man
Wtf are you on dawg its march
@@mcperson8455He went missing on April Fools Day
@@Ämyr2006He went missing on April Fools Day
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This is the first time I have heard this story be told and it actually make sense...thank you
On the night he disappeared, Brian had just taken final exams for medical school. How did he do on these exams? If, for example, he failed these exams and / or showed evidence of not having given a real effort, this could add to your theory that he disappeared on his own free will
That’s actually a really good point!! I’ve seen a few videos about this case, and for all the details it seems his scores have never been released. Yeah, he pulled all-nighters that week & historically got good grades, but that doesn’t mean he did this time around
The fact that just a few days before his disappearance, he told his girlfriend to find somebody else because she didn't want to RUN AWAY with him, ok because he knew he was going away. On his own free will, should tell you everything you need to know.
Nobody can stay hidden at that age. Not with social media, people can’t help themselves but post .
@@JackJones-fg1jx that is FALSE.
Well, along with never lighting up a room with a smile, I now know not to change my name to Brian
Lmao
Or Clint. Wouldn't want to be implicated by accident
Hmm. If I had to guess, I would speculate that Brian did decide to disappear and start over. I think he may have contacted Clint after the fact and told him, but begged him not to tell anyone. That's why Clint was cooperative at first and then clammed up suddenly. He contacted the lawyer to advise him how he could protect Brian's secret without incriminating himself.
Exactly my thought as well. Only thing time that really makes sense.
A lot of people have come to that conclusion, what most people don't realize is that it is nearly impossible to cover your tracks to make it look like you just vanished.
@@CurtisEarle-b7w it was a lot easier back in 2006
@@CurtisEarle-b7w Not really. There are whole underground industries for illegals coming in through mexico. Fake IDs, real socials under other names, etc.
If you know the right people and have some cash, you CAN disappear.
I had that thought as well
14 minutes in, I completely forgot this was about a missing guy
Average lore lodge experience
That’s why I always fast forward to the actual focus of the video which is in the video title.
Same, I was enjoying some history and then he started talking about Brian again and realized.
Happens to me in nearly every video. Of course that means it is enjoyable enough that I forget what I'm watching.
I just read ur comment as I was checking the description on the video to see if I accidentally changed it to the next video or something. I was like WTF am I listening too!!!’
I find it so creepy when people who go missing in that something sinister happened but we have no solid idea and the person's soul is crying for someone to realise!...
I was a student at the time and friends with security at ugly tuna...he didn't jump off the balcony. Staff did it often to retrieve phones. He would have been seen. There were cops always standing in that area below - and it was a high traffic area.
This is one of the most baffling cases that I've ever heard. I hope the club and it's workers were closely investigated.
Exactly man. The cameras make it unlikely he was kidnapped. And no one heard any unusual noise. This case is pretty much unsolvable with the evridecne we have at the moment
@@ajnegro2052 yeah i wanna know more about the owner of the old tuna saloon spot and who his bartenders were. Also, who were the guards at the escalator entry?
@@Eddyog94and all those 2 ladies he was talking in the camera in front of the place.
You'd also think people would remember a guy sliding down a roof!
@@herstoryanimated I just looked at the owner's page he's got grandkids and a facebook. He looks like a scary guy
That's why I'm naming my kid Notbrian
Well it's 2024 I think he can use out imagination these days and steer away from the old basics😂
Notbrian you get in bed right this instant
@@Reflect744 2024 it's Briwyn lol
thats just great. now what am i going to name my kid? TotallyNotBrian?
@@ironsam2381Brian’t
I feel like the roommate thing could be ignored. I love and adore my best friend but we could absolutely never live together
That's you personally🤷 id love living with my best friend
@@Ashleyvadnais88ok
Excellent work! Yours is the best researched report I’ve seen about this case. Yours is the only report that mentions the possibility of Brian exiting the bar out the window onto to the roof below.
Imagine being just a random homeless man in Tijuana and multiple law enforcement agencies in two different countries start harassing you and accusing you of being a missing American guy. I can kind of see why they didn’t aggressively interrogate that angle when the tech told them “not a match.”
That’s him. They should do their job.
The idea of someone just casually going to med school while they wait to get a band together makes no sense to me. I wonder if someone in his family pressured him to go to med school and after his mom died he said f it.
I think too much is made of his wanting to get away and fantasizing about lounging on a beach somewhere playing his guitar. Getting a professional degree is hard, and that’s ESPECIALLY true if it’s a medical degree, and then to be dealing with his mother’s illness and eventual death at the same time … not surprising that he seemed like he wanted to escape for a while, that he seemed less than enthusiastic about medical school. You get grief mixed with overwork, stress, possible burnout (pulling all nighters for recent midterms). Many a graduate student feels this way, and you wish you were on a beach somewhere, but that’s just fantasy. You hop on a plane for spring break, get some sleep, return to school and get on with it. I remember feeling a similar way in law school while battling with untreated ADHD and personal problems, and I’m 100% sure if I disappeared by accident or misadventure and investigators read my diary they would have thought I decided to abandon my life and drink mojitos on an island somewhere. And that wasn’t anywhere as difficult or stressful as medical school, I’m sure. What Brian was going through only seems noteworthy to people who either never earned a doctorate-level degree or who have but are extremely talented and had it come easily to them. I really don’t find his attitude unusual at all. Some people are in medical school, etc, because they’re extremely driven, and it becomes their entire life and what they base their identity on; this guy had other stuff going on his life as well and other interests. Meh. Not a big enough deal to make me think he abandoned his entire life, including his grieving family, without even packing clean underwear and some extra money.
I totally believe he was thinking of leaving. People “disappear” for all the time for a multitude of reasons. He had many reasons to: didn’t want to be a Doctor and saw the opportunity to leave that life behind, the death of his mother could have easily kicked him into gear to make different choices in life, and depression. The tells for me are the things he said to his girlfriend; he basically asked her to come with him, effectively asking her to quit her own medical career to which she understandably declined, then he told her she should find someone else a couple of days before his disappearance. That could arguably be considered a form of planning on his part.
I think people make a big deal about his friend’s involvement. He was rightly advised by his counsel, and NO ONE should be questioned without proper counsel. Another layer to this is that if Clint was on a scholarship, many schools will retract your scholarship if you get tied up with something that brings in the police. People want to argue this, but Clint did the right thing. It looks like everyone in his circle took their studies seriously and their lives since have proved this. I can't say I feel the same about him. That's not at all a judgement on my part, I'm just offering up some food for thought.
My friends brother became a doctor so he could retire @ 50 and play on the Senior Golf Circuit!😆
@@lakesidesusan6745 , that's a good plan if there ever was one!
It's actually not a bad mix. My day job is as a medical massage therapist. My side hustle is as an artist (painter, primarily)
Because of the work I do, I got time to do my side hustle stuff and I make enough between the two of them that I am comfortable in life. Now, granted, I didn't go for being a doctor or anything but that's because I never wanted to be rich, just comfortable.
Ugh I’m so happy to see more videos covering him!!! This case has always been so interesting to me and I’m so glad the lore lodge is making vids about it😭
Lazy Masquerade was my intro into it though I had heard of it before
Not too interesting he's in the concrete behind the bar.
Dig it up and give his family closure
There’s sooo many videos covering this case…
I'm with you!❤
@@okyepyou think, I mean at this point anything is possible. This case fascinates me.
I worked at the grocery store, Sunflower Market, the entire time it was open. It was part of an ill-fated “natural foods” grocery project by SuperValu Inc. and that particular location was only open for about a year and a half (it closed in early 2008 due to the economic recession as well as the company biting off more than it could chew by acquiring Albertson’s). I can’t speak for the particular time period in which Brian disappeared, but we had a gigantic trash compactor at the back of the store by the loading dock and it was accessible by the shared hallways. I don’t know what the refuse collection situation was before Sunflower opened, so I don’t know if that would be another avenue of exiting the building unseen. I can also echo the sentiments I saw elsewhere in the comments about the special degree of ineffectiveness of the CPD. The entire vice squad had to be disbanded due to rampant corruption. They had to bring in the FBI to do an investigation. I’m serious, google Columbus, Ohio vice squad and just read all the articles that pop up.
I like the compactor theory (not that it’s a good thing, but just that it could be a decent explanation for it). It could also be why the dogs couldn’t find him in it. Garbage can throw dogs off.
i miss the sunflower market.
I just wrote a reply along the same lines.
The police had to be involved in this one. It's so obvious. The refusal to share any details or accept any help from other agencies says it all.
Wait was this a grocery store close to the bar? That shared this trash compactor or something
My heart goes out to Derek. I can’t imagine being so young and losing my parents AND brother in such tragic ways. Lord have mercy on him, that he should have a loving, supportive community around him
Ur absolutely right about the neighborhoods around the Ohio State campus being extremely dangerous. My son was sent to the picu at Ohio State Children's Hosp after birth in June of 1998. My husb and I stayed at the Ronald McDonald house across the street from the hospital, maybe 50ft from the entrance, 2 lanes each way, small street, and were told by the hospital staff NOT to go across the street to the hospital, even during the day, without a security guard's escort. Crazy hoods in Columbus
The children’s hospital is I a terrible area of town. Pay isn’t as bad. It’s college housing. Not far from the fancy Victorian village are and short birth was a good place back then.
The problem I have is that I was 24 years old in 2006 and yes cameras were a thing but we didn't really know it. People didn't really have a concept that what you're doing in front of a camera is forever. So the idea he or someone else avoided the cameras is off to me
That's one of the main reasons why I don't think he intentionally disappeared. I think he walked through the construction site cause he was drunk and didn't notice it wasn't the way he came in and something bad happened after he left
@@smm855I agree 100%. The level of consciousness about cameras just wasn't there enough for anyone to purposely bypass them
@@smm855the construction area was inside the basement of the bar. There was no exit. Where did he or his body go?
@@candicehiles729 unless you DO want to disappear. I'm pretty sure (and of course I'm not assuming that it's what happened but if it is) that if he did want to disappear without a trace, he would think of the cameras. People still knew there were CCTV cameras. And it wasn't his first time there so he could have easily known where they were.
Enemy of the State came out in 1998. Some of us were well aware of the surveillance state long before 2006.
I like when it cuts back to the dog getting pet lol
Penn state🤔
I recall something in the sports department years ago , but don't follow Penn state.
Why would he give a girl his number if he intended to dissappear?
Cover?
Why would he give a girl.his number if he was intending to propose?
to make it appear as though he was not intending to dissapear
@Black_Knight15why get drunk off your a$$ the night you're planning something so serious? That would take precise movements and thinking to pull off?
He wasn't running from the law. He could have easily told his remaining family "this is to much, I want to start my life over and I'm leaving". Why be so secretive and hurt your brother and father who are also grieving? I don't believe he ran away and started a new life.
@gaynorhamilton4571 why would we think he actually intended to propose if he told her to move on and find someone else?
i find it quite weird that clint and meredith (?) just left without really looking for brian? isn't it kind of a universally accepted rule that you don't leave a night out without your friends or at last knowing what they're up to? and than even the next day, they just called him a couple of times but didn't even go to his apartment to check what's up. i think most people would never be this careless about their friend. based on just this, i'm pretty sure they knew what happened to him, whether foul play or disappearing on his own record.
Or they are really not his friend. Not uncommon for the people you hang around to not give a fuck about you
I think this is one of the most in-depth dives into this case I've ever seen. Brian's disappearance is one of the first "we can't really call this a true crime case but it's heckin weird" cases I ever got interested in, and goddamn did y'all do it justice. I really appreciate that you gave equal credence to all potentials; I don't think I've ever seen a presenter make a good case for voluntary disappearance, but you did a great job with it.
Last time I was on campus, the spirit was so wavering, so the "We are Penn State!" call out is very appreciated.
Yeah wokeists have basically ruined most of the college experience, school spirit included
This is weird. We were just talking about this case today. Weird! Very very odd.
That kid in Nashville reminded me of this case
We were?
@jevinday yeah man, come on you were there. Surely you couldn't have been drunk enough to not remember.
Weird! Very weird.
Very odd, but certainly very weird…
It’s pretty much unsolvable with the evidence we have. Either freak accident or out the country tbh
I’d be curious… what his bank accounts looked like for the year prior to disappearing.
And after
Hearing your history segments are always so fascinating. Personally, I live in Ohio, so I've been to the Serpent mounds and learned about the Hopewell in school. It's astonishing how different/misinformed the education was.
I do recommend going to the mounds if you have the chance. It's a very relaxing walk if you go during a less popular month. They have places to look at the mounds from up higher, and it is such a lovely place. ♡
I keep thinking of the case of Annie Le. Yale student who was murdered in her lab. CCTV never showed her leaving her work place, only for her body to be found stuffed inside a wall.
This is easily the best video on this case I’ve ever seen. I’ve been into true crime content for a long time. This is one of the ones that’s always stuck with me for some reason.
I have been fascinated with this particular case for years and love watching coverage of the case, and I have NEVER seen anyone cover it like you have. Everyone I have watched has ruled out the possibility that he could have left on his own so firmly that it was almost mind blowing hearing you fully dive in and cover everything! Thank you as always for the dedicated coverage (and the always loved history lessons!)
I’m convinced he never disappeared himself, something untoward happened.
He left with the band. Hidden in base drum case. He didn’t want to get married. He didn’t want to be a doctor. He wanted to be a musician.
Did he become the bass drum for the band?! That sounds painful! Getting hit by sticks all night!
@@NickyBlue99well if he was struggling with orientation it would follow that he might rather enjoy that 😆 🤣
Why is this kick drum so heavy? I hope I don't... Drop the BASS...
He was an adult though. He didn't need to be secretive and hurt the only family he had left. He could have moved away and started on his own without hiding and lying. Plus, to choose to do it on a night you've been drinking/prob drunk? He didn't have any warrants so why cause even more pain to your brother and dad when he didn't have to?
@@LaLaLonna I think you're missing the joke
been a while since i heard of this one, almost forgot about it, so im glad you made a video! cant watch the yuba county one, seen too much stuff about them and its so sad
28:30 THIS, case close.
Human/Organ trafickers.
Also, if the camera was overwrote by bar's staff then Security is on it too.
Disgregar security.
We have a door not look at by a manualy controled camera.
It just fits tipical traficker operation.
1-Search for Targetz in social media.
Boisterous, teens, with BIG DREAM, gulible and physically atletic.
He fits them all, giving so much personal information and picture out in the public.
2-Get the target to an acomplice local, or one with bad security.
3-Aproach target with "Manager" or "Babes" using big promises.
4-Separate target from friend and witneses.
5-Get target isolated.
6-Kidnap.
You can even see most of them in thefootage if you where able.
Searching for similar cases and disapearnces around 3-6 months appart will confirm it.
The police also keeping tings hidden implicate they may have been following the traficking ring, or internal corruption trying to sweep t under the rug.
This has nothing to do with the video but my 3 month old loves listening to this channel at bedtime. Never makes it more than 30 minutes in before she's asleep. Congrats Aiden, you're a master storyteller lol
This is a great way to get your kids interested in history early! I remember I used to spend hours half asleep on the floor while my dad would be binging the history channel. I didn't know it then, but that was planting some very early seeds of the passion that would burst into full bloom come College. 😊
😄😄😄
Something strikes me as off about playing a channel focused on murders and missing people, the evils in the world, to an infant.....so many more positive things you could be playing for one so young and innocent, maybe classical music or scriptural lullabies.... You play this channel for you, not her.
Thank you. This was one of the best coverage of this case I have seen.
I heard that Brian had gotten into a fight with staff at the club and they threw him into the garbage compactor and was crushed to death and that’s why he was never seen again.
I wonder what time the dogs were brought into sniff for Brian and when they threw out the garbage (which was never checked by police). The dogs would have sniffed Brians scent in the trash if he had been in there, I'm guessing.
Others have mentioned a large garbage compactor on site big enough to fall into. Did you find any evidence this was true? He could have been killed or injured by the fall and removed undetected to a landfill without anyone there knowing anything had happened
I'm a bit confused at how he would fall into a garbage compactor unless it was below a ledge? Those things are usually pretty closed up (for safety reasons). Someone would have had to leave the top open AND he'd have to be above it, climbing it, or crawling in the shoot for some reason.=
Are you sure this isn't a conflation of details with the later case of Corrie McKeague in England? His disappearance was equally vexing to many because he was last seen on CCTV walking around the corner of a cul-de-sac from which there were seemingly no viable means of him exiting without him walking back out of then cul-de-sac where he would've been picked up again on video. But he never was. However, it was noted that there were trash lorries servicing the bins in the cul-de-sac within a few hours of him entering the cul-de-sac. Ultimately, a 2022 inquest determined he had likely gotten into a trash bin where he fell unconscious (he was intoxicated and had been out drinking also), and when the lorry serviced the bin he had entered, his bodied would have been dumped into the rear of lorry and consequently crushed by its compactor.
@@SaturnDreamingofMercurya lot of people are parroting it, so maybe, and maybe not?
His scent was traced outside of the bar, so that rules out any theory of him being in a dumpster or falling in a trash compactor
Grew up in Ohio and very much appreciate the ancient history of Ohio.
If you haven’t read “That Dark And Bloody River” you should, it’s about settling the Ohio River Valley.
Might sound a little boring but I assure you that it’s far from it.
@@ajjohnson3497Think I will check that out!
Is Ohio really just corn or is that a stereotype
@@aw2633it's highways... and mostly corn
@@aw2633that’s Indiana you’re thinking of. Ohio is the one that has rivers that burn. 🔥
In all the videos I have watched on this case, the one thing missing from the discussions is a map of the interior of the Ugly Tuna, showing the exits. Without a map it's very hard to visualize the exits and where they lead. Further, if Brian had jumped over the "mad mex"? restaurant balcony (?), a nearby outside camera would surely have picked him up in its footage. My understanding is that no outside camera has Brian leaving the building wherein the Ugly Tuna was located in 2006.
Been there 100+ times during my time.
Here’s your map.
1. Rectangular floor plan - booths east wall, rectangular bar center east screwed. Larger open area west side.
2. One entrance/exit, south east corner - this unbelievably close to the escalator shown in videos.
3. Balcony is north wall - that drop was sketchy and would’ve made a scene. So many people around that time of night as well as bar staff on the balcony and behind band.
4. Bathrooms are close to entrance, south east corner.
5. Kitchen west of those bathrooms, south wall.
@@lossless4129 Thanks much. If you could pinpoint all of the exists inside the bar, and describe where those exists lead, that would also help.
Two thoughts:
1) To climb down the awnings/roof unnoticed by anyone seems unlikely, someone would definitely remember "that drunk guy climbing stuff."
2) He looks skinny enough to possibly slip through a barely open door. Maybe the auto-turning camera started to turn when the door was ajar and stopped and turned back when it closed again like it wasn't open long enough to complete it's program, and he just slipped through too fast.
Hey! I have heard this case on numerous podcasts abd other youtubers, BUT i will say i really like the way Aiden told this case,it really made me look at this in a different way! I was definitely thinking foul play,but after watching your theories, im leaning more towards he wanted to dissapear. The other youtubers didn't go into depth about brians relationship with his girlfriend, and your theory sounds very plausible! You did a great job covering this story! And btw my husband's name is Brian, so people commented on dont name your kid Brian,well thats just people bein sarcastic,its not cause of the name! Keep up the awesome work Lore Lodge!! Angela, from PA
I was so hoping this case was gonna be covered!! It literally keeps me up at night.
Me too
Notable that Scioto-Darby creek, wher Brians phone pinged, is right near a rather large river, the Scioto, and Griggs Reservoir.
Don’t overthink the phone pings. If Brian gave the woman he chatted up his phone, the pings would have been showing her travel, not his.
And a quarry where Stephanie Hummer (who disappeared from the exact same block in 1994) was found.
@@donnaoklok9105 interesting. I'm not familiar with that case.
In 94, magnolia thunderpussy and mean mister mustards would have been on that block, correct? And taco bell was on the east side of high?
@@baronvoncrags771yes, Mags was across the street and MMM / The Pit were on the east side. They really went all in creating an “artificially upscale area” right where we had the most fun.
@@donnaoklok9105 yeah, I was a tween in 94 but would go to mags with my older brother. I recall going back years later thinking "wait, this doesn't look right " lol.
High Street from King to Lane is so incredibly boring now. Even 10 years ago it had some character. I think Larry's closing marked the end lol.
But we're getting off topic.
Tip of the hat to the research you did in this case, and the awesome job you did explaining all the possibilities. I've watched many videos on this case, as i find it very intriguing and mysterious, yet almost all the other videos seemed to simply draw the conclusion that Brian is no longer with us, either from foul play, or an accident. Now that may be what ultimately happened, but thank you for providing thoughtful and insightful points that possibly lead to a different conclusion. We will never KNOW what happened until a body is found, or Brian himself is found alive...but props on doing the research needed to cover all possible angles. Much appreciated.
"As far as Brian's demeanor and his behavior while drinking, Hurst did confirm that Brian had been involved in a physical altercation after a sports game some months back."
That is the most telling (and often overlooked) clue. Brian had a mouth on him. In mock elections, he could have been voted "most likely to mouth off to the wrong person and get murdered."
I don't know how you ended up in my recommended feed, but I sure am glad you did. Really loving your videos!
Can you guys do a video on the Maura Murray case? Pretty please! Would love to hear your take on things 😊
Ooh yes! I'd watch that video for sure!
Omg yes
I really love your channel! I live near Columbus, Ohio. My sister used to be a bartender at that bar, but it wasn’t during the time that Brian went missing. Such an interesting case! By the way, the Scioto River is pronounced “Sigh-Oh-Toe”.
It's actually Sigh-O-duh.
Source: cbus born and raised.
@@baronvoncrags771 Lol. Ok. I’m watching this for the first time although I’ve watched his channel before and he did pronounce it the way I typed it the second time he said it.
@@baronvoncrags771you should hear Google maps attempt to pronounce Olentangy.
I love that I come here for crime and my adhd brain gets filled with some history
Hard same!
I have adhd and can't stand the 15 minute detour into the completely irrelevant history of the state
You learned nothing
There is a documentary on the mounds and they think the destroying the mounds was a lot more malicious then just turning into farmland.
I literally was just re reading about Brian the other day! Can’t wait to watch this for your take.
Maybe his friend knew he was planning to disappear.
It would make sense why his friend wouldn't take a lie detector and everyone gets the vibe that he knows more.
He didn't take a lie detector test because he's well educated and any mildly educated person will tell you to never take a lie detector test because they are wildly inaccirate.
OH MY GOD I begged you guys to do some stuff with Roanoke on your community post as he is one of my favourite ever youtubers alongside ya'll. I saw a couple of other people mention him to you as well. I'm fucking stoked to hear that you're actually going to do it!
It almost sounds like a trope I know, but it's genuinely my birthday today, and I don't really celebrate or do anything for it, but this is the best birthday gift I could ask for. Thank you so much!
I definitely won't be missing ANY of the content you two collab on. You, him and Wendigoon all share a similar place in my heart lol
Happy belated birthday fellow Lodge member! 🎉🎉🎉
obviously this is strictly speculation but i wonder if the brief mention of Brian possibly questioning his sexuality wasn’t completely unsubstantiated and something happened between he and Clint? he got a girl’s phone number, he and Clint argued that night-whether it was before or after Brighton (idk if this was said) doesn’t rly change my hypothesis that he could’ve been doing it to hurt Clint’s feelings or some other adjacent performative reasoning. The gf mention in Brian’s myspace bio does read as kind of silly, which could just be a boy intentionally being goofy, or maybe he put it in there just to add further proof to his straightness. there was also Clint’s post on Brian’s myspace, maybe the allusion to him being a player was actually because *he* felt played by Brian if something romantic occurred between them. that would also explain Brian trying to goad Alexis into breaking up with him, not wanting to do it himself for whatever reason. this still doesn’t rly implicate Clint as a perpetrator in my opinion because the attorney could be due to paranoia of any given thing; being outed, getting caught being involved in illegal activity but not being Brian’s killer, etc. as for Brian’s cod/whereabouts, i don’t really believe he was avoiding cameras when leaving so under that assumption his body still being in the building makes the most sense to me; combining those two ideas perhaps he and Clint snuck off somewhere they shouldn’t have, arguing or otherwise, and Clint somehow knows what happened to him, or knows where his body is.
i’ve heard this case so many times at this point but this theory never really crossed my mind until this time. i’m just speculating and am here for respectful and pleasant discussion only 😭😭
Yes I think something was definitely going on with him and Clint. That comment from Clint on his page saying "Don't be fooled ladies, he likes ass tags" ... I kinda took that as Clint low key pointing out that Brian was gay. I don't see how that could be interpreted as being a player at all. He was clearly saying Brian likes *butt stuff*
To add to this theory:
1. Meredith described her relationship with Clint as if they were dating, but Clint claimed they were just friends. Their relationship status seems murky.
2. Brian's brother seems convinced that Clint was involved. I'm assuming his brother would know more about the case and about Brian's life than the public ever could.
Great presentation. Awesome researching.
Lamont, PA
As someone who relatively recently went through medical school, I think suicide is an idea that should be at least entertained. Physician and medical student suicide is a huge issue, and second year is when you study for and take Step One - the BIG one- and the stress is so intense. My school had so many suicides that they had a therapist and psychiatrist on retainer. Combine that with grief, and alcohol, leading to poor judgement… I hope it’s not the case but it could be. That may also explain why the friend won’t talk about the case- perhaps Brian said something and he feels guilty for not trying harder to stop him. Also, when applying to residency, every program looks you up- the friend may have wanted to avoid that being the only thing talked about on interviews and/or keeping him from getting interviews.
"Starving artists" would be "artists" if only they started as doctors.
Not if they have 200k in student loans.
@@simonfea2boohoo, the most lucrative jobs require more schooling. Blame the uni's who increase costs every year while offering a decreased value in the same time period
Uhhhh retired doctors don’t make the best artists? You really want an artist over thinking your surgery?
The "starving" in "starving artist" doesn't always just refer to food. Plenty of "starving artists" had day jobs, but they were starving for attention, recognition, depth, or something more existential like meaning or joy in their work.
@Lunch_Meat no they were the impressionists and nobody liked impressionism. They literally were starving, until impressionism became popular.
Good video. Couple of points. If Brian had left via the balcony, there were other cameras that would have seen him.
There was an interview done with one of the newly assigend detectives. They commented that there was simply no way to to leave the area without a camera observing Brian.
So I think we can rule out balcony.
Another point, in the same interview, the detective stated that cameras captured Clint and Meredith leaving the bar, entering the parking ramp, leaving the parking ramp, arriving back at Clint's apartment all at the appropriate time.
While Clint might know if Brian started a new life, he wasn't directly involved in Brian's disappearance it appears.
3:41 !!!!! My partner and I visited the Grave Creek mound today and read all about this!! We started watching your channel recently and realized that neither of us really know anything about the Native American tribes that used to inhabit our different regions, so we went to the museum for the Grave Creek Mound to learn more. It was extremely enjoyable, and now I’m nerding out at hearing what I learned there today on this channel. (Btw, the mound you showed when mentioning the possibility of them being used militarily is the Grave Creek Mound, and those features were added later by settlers. It was used as high ground during the Civil War, and there was even a bar atop it at one point. Also the settler who originally discovered it, purchased it and refused to let anyone disturb it because he was sure it was a burial ground for Native Americans and didn’t want to disturb their grave. Unfortunately his son didn’t share his views, and allowed excavation. It was in fact a burial mound, hence the name of the nearby creek as Grave Creek.)
Several mounds seem to have had bars on top at some point.
Here in the South, some people would build their houses on them, because it was high ground when the area flooded.
Now with the levee systems, most of these places don't flood near as much, but there are still a few old homes on mounds in MS and LA that I know of.
One of my favorite parts of this channel is that Aidan always devotes a segment to Regional indigenous history. Sadly, even though it's an enormous part of the history of the land we live on, so much of our early education as Americans glosses over, or omits entirely, the rich and complex history of these nations of people. Which is supremely unfair, considering we took everything from them and then completely erased them from our history books to add insult to injury. I think the fact that he does this is what sets him apart from a lot of other True Crime channels!
When you said no cameras caught him leaving the building I was reminded of Elisa Lam's case... :^(
Would you consider covering some more MMIW cases? Specifically Kaysera Stops Pretty Places. The circumstances surrounding her death and the police investigation are extremely wierd (cremating her body against the familys wishes, not informing them for several days after her body was found, and allegations of corruption in the area). I haven't seen any other content creators who research as thoughly as you do.
The more people who presssure our state and tribal police, the more people who hold him accountable.
I love your stuff!! Thank you for trying to bring closure to these families and people
You map all the pings on his phone
And you map all the pings of Clint and his girlfriend after that night.
If they match......
He gave her his phone possibly and she put it in her purse.
Did she say "Hey Brian, why don't I help your phone in my purse so you don't lose it.
Now they have his body and no way to track where he ends up.
I still think its odd that he isnt visible in camera frame, if his intention was to run away why would that entail faking himself not leaving the bar? I dont see how "teleporting out of the bar" is a useful part of disappearing since you could just leave the bar the normal route and then disappear into the city.
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I lived right next to tuna during college… we were always perplexed by this case
Wendigoon shouted you guys out on the Red Thread for your extensive cover of the dyatlov pass ( know that prob spelled wrong, lol) Hope some folks come your way!! U guys do great work. Keep it up!!
He’s friends with Wendigoon They have made a couple of videos together before
I’ve heard this story a lot throughout the years and nothing about it ever made sense. Recently I experienced something with a friend of similar age and hearing this story again makes me wonder if this could be a theory. I wonder if his mom’s death triggered a psychotic break and with the mix of alcohol and prior talk of wanting to leave but his gf not wanting to maybe he fell into a delusional state that night and lost control of his actions. It doesn’t explain how no one saw him leave, BUT it could explain giving his number out, maybe scaling that roof. There was no history of mental illness in my experience. Yet the delusions were so bad they ended up on the other side of the country with nothing but a dead phone. Only until they took their meds were they aware of what they had done. It took a while for friends to even realize this person was acting strange. I think it’s possible his gf and friends didn’t realize the difference between grief and maybe something deeper. I think it’s very plausible that Brian had a mental break and possibly slipped out and just disappeared without a trace. Possibly leading to his death somewhere unknown or a new life under a different version of himself. My recent experience completely changed the way I look at grief and this really felt similar. But idk just a theory… I hope one day they find him❤
The play button on the wall is sooo distracting because it’s mounted literally touching another picture ! Who does this please move your play button 2 inches to the left completing a beautiful aunthentic background !
Btw I love your content 😊
Grow up