Nah, Salvatore, at one point, even calls both CJ and Maria "kid," so they got to be younger than 30, like 23, 24-25-ish. Tommy is 35 years old, and Ken Rosenberg is 33. Victor, I think, is 29. Tommy is the oldest protagonist, by the way.
During Mc eight's music video with conejo, i asked him in person what happened.. he said the money was coo and he wantted to keep working but he got fired, he told me that he wasnt even mad because he was "bullshitting around" showing up high af, wanting to just chill instead and lagging on all his "work" he told me him and malay also had tension because their hoods werent on good terms so often theyd get in disagreements it never turned physical. He said "one day i showed up at the spot and white dude with glasses told me i was doing a good job but my services were no longer needed and they let me go" im in the music video with him and conejo.
@ none really, i wasnt going to whip out my phone and start recording that foo, shit dont believe me.. yall shouldnt be believing everything you see online anyways. The only 'source' i have is a picture of myself holding a fork under my cortez's, im the foo in the music video with mc eight and conejo, we met up with those foos and collabed, its on youtube. Check the video out, im from varrio harpys los dead ends 13
@@gaminginvestigators songs called 1991 by conejo and mc eight, im the ese in the white Tank, im from varrio harppys 13, the most i can do is take a picture holding a fork under my cortez's, if that helps as proof. Thats all he told me, nothing else, less than 30 second convo
Glad to hear that you found the topic interesting! Bigfoot is a good one but that's been already discussed about a trillion times everywhere so I wanted to go with something more unobvious 😅
Mike was the fredo of the Forelli family basically, so maybe he kept his gambling addiction a secret. As for not paying Joey back, perhaps Mike took him for a civilian, a mere mechanic that wouldn't have the guts to actually kill him, so had no rush on trying to pay his debts. Kinda like Tony Soprano when he refused to pay his long time friend Hesh.
Tenpenny told Smoke to kill Sweet and betray the GSF or he goes to jail he failed first with the drive by he tried the second time he fails again when CJ shows up instead of Sweet then he betrays the GSF and hopes Sweet dies in prison
It's suck that GTA VCS, LCS and GTA 4 never got any remastered or a Definitive Editions like VC, San Andreas and III. I'm glad that I'm not one person who blindly believe to all of those theories about GTA even though it was fun to read about it plus I'm immediately know that most of them are fake
ryder was a rushed carachter who was never finished and cut early on in the story dispute or no dispute i guess they didnt know what to do with him they couldve let him stay in the story till the finale or smth like smoke pier 69 is an unfinished mission without cutscenes he didnt get a mention during green sabre for some reason i guess he wasnt in the cutscene first
Ryder in my gta verse, would be a real Homie who backs up grove street families despite that he knew Big Smoke would betray them. But instead of collaborating with big smoke, he fights alongside CJ and Sweet and when the green Sabre drives up and shoots at both CJ and Ryder, Ryder saves CJ at the cost of his life. Thus, ending Ryders arc. For the better.
Yeah, Ryder didn't get fully fleshed out. I think it would have made more sense if Ryder died in the fight in the Green Sabre mission. Or it would have been funny if Ryder was the buster and just ran away never to be seen again.
Couple things I want to point out. We won’t get GTAVCS and LCS because of how the definitive edition went. That’s a hands down no go because rockstar isn’t going to do it and I highly doubt they’d hire another team to do it after what Grove Street games did. The second thing is Phil Collins. Just change the character or cut the missions, the end. At this day and age I don’t think people care or not whether he’s going to be in a game or not.
Yeah well like I said in the video, I think it's quite iconic, I mean I would definitely care if he's not there, but you may be right though, not everyone would be bothered
How I wish GTA VCS will be ported in mobile soon. But I know I can play it on PPSSPP but its not that optimize and other than that, the PSP version has tons of bugs. Great video btw. Please make a video on who is the most powerful crime family in whole GTA 3D universe in their prime based on their lore, achievements, weapons, assets etc. That will be a banger video. These are my top 5. 1. Vercetti Crime Family 2. Leone Crime Family 3. Forelli Crime Family 4. Colombian Cartel 5. Yakuza
On the age part I think early 20's would be the right term because throughout the game we get hints of Carl's young age. One time if I remember correctly I was entering the LS Airport the guard at the gate says that pilots are getting younger now a days. Also when dating Barbara The Police Officer girlfriend she says that Carl is younger than the guys she usually dates, the fact that Barbara is divorced with two kids. Although the 24 year theory could seem relevant since CJ moved to Liberty City from LS 5 years prior to the game making him 19. Now Im not sure how legal age for moving out from city to city laws work in the GTA Universe but in real life in The State of California in which Los Angeles is, from which Los Santos was inspired from for The GTA Universe, the legal age is 18 to move from city to city.
@@juniorpaulo3494 sorry I forgot to mention I was talking about the legal age law for moving from city to city which is 18, so CJ being 19 could legally move from LS to Liberty City if thats the law in the GTA Universe as well. But now that you've mentioned stripclubs and bars I think what Jimmy's age would be in GTA 5 since you can take him to bars since his DOB is stated 1993 in the Fandom and GTA V is set 2013 so he is 20 or maybe in the GTA Universe the legal age is 18 unlike our Universe.
@@akbarlakhani6624 but Jimmy only enters if he is with Frank, and 2 men in their 20s don't raise much suspicion, since GTA is inspired by real life, I believe the legal age to enter places like this is 21 years old
@@juniorpaulo3494 They do have ID check policies in Bars according with the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control in real life. So if this type of Organization and procedure exists in the GTA Universe then I think 18 might be the legal age in the GTA Universe.
@@akbarlakhani6624Jimmy being born in 93 is Crazy asf because Pete and Pete had been on for like 4 years and Franklin was born in 88 nobody actually born in the 80s would buy Nickelodeon star Danny Tamberelli as a young adult in 2014 😂
I always thought CJ was between the ages of twenty something to 35 I never figured an exact age because it is never hinted at year of birth or how old he is voice actor age doesn't always equal age of character
That’s the beautiful thing about GTA there are so many scenarios that could have taken place and the lore could or could not be, making it l endless possibilities and stories.
Ive heard of eiht falling out with RS ...i didn't believe it was true, what i do believe its that the entire ryder thing was a last minute thing and they didn't want to bring him back with a new contract specially since ryder's role because became much to big and his songs were already licenced so why would they not put them in the game, remember RS has no problem vilifying actors over nothing, remember what rockstar did to niko's VA...
@ClaviHaze he found out how much sales the game made and said something along the lines of ... Well I should have asked for more then for the quality of the entire performance (he did the mocap and the voice acting) he tried to renegotiate because he had no idea about the scope of the game and rockstar knew this and how much sales it would get, I think rockstar heavily downplayed the fact that they kept him in the dark about scope of the game because he said he is certainly no gamer to know these stuff. And in the next few days RS I think they told him to fuck off stating that he signed the contract. Edit : and thus he never returned to do anything again in the videogame industry.
@@Ko700elSame thing they did to Ray Liotta they paid him shit he didn’t know how much they made so he was talking shit bout breaking rs and they got wind of it and stopped doing business with him
Would Rockstar even need to pay to use Phils likeness again if they wanted to remaster VCS? IV also has real life celebrities show up in the game and the game is still backwards compatible and Rockstar and Phil Collins are still on good terms with Phil showing up on every GTA with a licensed soundtrack after VCS I think the most likely answer is that the LCS mobile port didn't sell too well and Rockstar had better things to do then remaster a nichie side game that would only appeal to diehard fans
Mike can't be a high-ranked member. the Forelli family is almost gone in 2001. They only has like that one territory. If Franco die in LCS, who is gonna be the new don? They lost almost everything.
Different universes GTA's 1 and 2 and London expansions are in the 2D universe. GTA 3 to GTA VCS are in the 3D universe and from GTA 4 onwards are in the current HD universe.
In my gta verse. My gta fan fiction universe, I make Ryder die as a Grove street families homie instead of a traitor. CJ would be 24 or 25 years old of age in 1992. Also, I make CJ have a personal mission involving killing the three ballas that killed his mom when the ballas real target was Sweet. Perhaps Sweet joins CJ in killing the drive by shooting ballas.
7:32, we don't kill Lil Weasel in Los Sepulcros. That mission is his funeral, where we eliminate Kane. The mission you're referring to is Doberman.
Actually it's drive by, the person we kill in doberman is a "grass" check out brady games guide and gta wiki if you have doubts
@@dynasttejumola5251Wiki actually doesn't have a name for him, funnily enough, but yes - Brady Games guide calls him Grass.
Yeah you're absolutely right, my brain mixed up the names in this one 😅
I find it interesting how it took MC Eiht almost 20 years to tell players he wasn’t fired
@@Keithchan2024 The lie became the truth, so he may have waited until the right time.
The ryder never betrayed gsf theory revolves around from 2022 i think. Some dude made a video on it and all the morons went crazy about it
@@poki_underground It was in 2020 I believe.
@@captaindowntown7851it was way before that, I heard that rumor around 2012
@sindanonegongo1199 dayum I was 8 in 2012, so I never knew about it that early. The first time I heard it was during lockdown.
CJ is definitely in his mid 20s, about the same age as Young Maylay when the game came out. Ain't no way some of y'all think he's in his 30s
Yeah, definitely not 30
@@alditalk249 he looks 30 tho
Nah, Salvatore, at one point, even calls both CJ and Maria "kid," so they got to be younger than 30, like 23, 24-25-ish. Tommy is 35 years old, and Ken Rosenberg is 33. Victor, I think, is 29. Tommy is the oldest protagonist, by the way.
@twinberwolves4231 they look older tho ye I know everyone looked older back then don't lecture me pls 😅
@TordaiJenci-x7g Negatory on the lecturing. Got it! :)
During Mc eight's music video with conejo, i asked him in person what happened.. he said the money was coo and he wantted to keep working but he got fired, he told me that he wasnt even mad because he was "bullshitting around" showing up high af, wanting to just chill instead and lagging on all his "work" he told me him and malay also had tension because their hoods werent on good terms so often theyd get in disagreements it never turned physical. He said "one day i showed up at the spot and white dude with glasses told me i was doing a good job but my services were no longer needed and they let me go" im in the music video with him and conejo.
Source?
@ none really, i wasnt going to whip out my phone and start recording that foo, shit dont believe me.. yall shouldnt be believing everything you see online anyways. The only 'source' i have is a picture of myself holding a fork under my cortez's, im the foo in the music video with mc eight and conejo, we met up with those foos and collabed, its on youtube. Check the video out, im from varrio harpys los dead ends 13
@@gaminginvestigators songs called 1991 by conejo and mc eight, im the ese in the white Tank, im from varrio harppys 13, the most i can do is take a picture holding a fork under my cortez's, if that helps as proof. Thats all he told me, nothing else, less than 30 second convo
VCS and 4 never got remastered because of the music licenses sadly the music company doesnt want to help ig the reason tehy cut some music
Hey maybe with those 3 Sony CEOs stepping down gives us a chance 😂
Didn't some music get cut in the GTA Trilogy re-releases and Definitive Edition?
@twinberwolves4231 yep
@TordaiJenci-x7g Ah, well, that just confirms it I think.
gta wiki is always full of lies
life is full of lies as well.
We're all being lied to. We're all being used. We're all being watched and being listened to.
@@twinberwolves4231Right.
@@KaneWilliams570 💯
Crazy. Like wtf is to be gained
Never clicked on the notification quicker. Btw I instantly thought of bigfoot and Pigsey in San Andreas.
Glad to hear that you found the topic interesting! Bigfoot is a good one but that's been already discussed about a trillion times everywhere so I wanted to go with something more unobvious 😅
0:00 Candy Suxxx!
Also, people still clickbait till this day and gta wiki isn't an exception.
Mike was the fredo of the Forelli family basically, so maybe he kept his gambling addiction a secret. As for not paying Joey back, perhaps Mike took him for a civilian, a mere mechanic that wouldn't have the guts to actually kill him, so had no rush on trying to pay his debts. Kinda like Tony Soprano when he refused to pay his long time friend Hesh.
Tenpenny told Smoke to kill Sweet and betray the GSF or he goes to jail he failed first with the drive by he tried the second time he fails again when CJ shows up instead of Sweet then he betrays the GSF and hopes Sweet dies in prison
It's suck that GTA VCS, LCS and GTA 4 never got any remastered or a Definitive Editions like VC, San Andreas and III. I'm glad that I'm not one person who blindly believe to all of those theories about GTA even though it was fun to read about it plus I'm immediately know that most of them are fake
@@alifnajmi1997 Facts, dude
LCS kinda got a remaster on mobile. The mobile version had improvements like new textures and models.
@@still_dre_ Right, then there's VCS.
ryder was a rushed carachter who was never finished and cut early on in the story dispute or no dispute i guess they didnt know what to do with him they couldve let him stay in the story till the finale or smth like smoke pier 69 is an unfinished mission without cutscenes he didnt get a mention during green sabre for some reason i guess he wasnt in the cutscene first
If you think about it, you can say it's because of Ryder's impulsiveness, jealousy towards CJ, PCP addiction, and insecurity.
Ryder in my gta verse, would be a real
Homie who backs up grove street families despite that he knew Big Smoke would betray them. But instead of collaborating with big smoke, he fights alongside CJ and Sweet and when the green Sabre drives up and shoots at both CJ and Ryder, Ryder saves CJ at the cost of his life. Thus, ending Ryders arc. For the better.
@@elperrodelautumo7511 That was mostly everyone pre-reveal of MC Ehit coming out to shed light on it.
@@elperrodelautumo7511 this is the most popular ideal ending for Ryder, he's Grove 4 life, even if it means costing his life 💯
Yeah, Ryder didn't get fully fleshed out. I think it would have made more sense if Ryder died in the fight in the Green Sabre mission. Or it would have been funny if Ryder was the buster and just ran away never to be seen again.
Couple things I want to point out. We won’t get GTAVCS and LCS because of how the definitive edition went. That’s a hands down no go because rockstar isn’t going to do it and I highly doubt they’d hire another team to do it after what Grove Street games did. The second thing is Phil Collins. Just change the character or cut the missions, the end. At this day and age I don’t think people care or not whether he’s going to be in a game or not.
Yeah well like I said in the video, I think it's quite iconic, I mean I would definitely care if he's not there, but you may be right though, not everyone would be bothered
How I wish GTA VCS will be ported in mobile soon. But I know I can play it on PPSSPP but its not that optimize and other than that, the PSP version has tons of bugs.
Great video btw. Please make a video on who is the most powerful crime family in whole GTA 3D universe in their prime based on their lore, achievements, weapons, assets etc. That will be a banger video.
These are my top 5.
1. Vercetti Crime Family
2. Leone Crime Family
3. Forelli Crime Family
4. Colombian Cartel
5. Yakuza
Will give it a think, but I'm afraid we won't have enough details on gangs to determine who was better
Forgot something. Claude & Claude Speed being the same person is a lie but some still believe they're the same but they are 2 different characters
On the age part I think early 20's would be the right term because throughout the game we get hints of Carl's young age. One time if I remember correctly I was entering the LS Airport the guard at the gate says that pilots are getting younger now a days. Also when dating Barbara The Police Officer girlfriend she says that Carl is younger than the guys she usually dates, the fact that Barbara is divorced with two kids. Although the 24 year theory could seem relevant since CJ moved to Liberty City from LS 5 years prior to the game making him 19. Now Im not sure how legal age for moving out from city to city laws work in the GTA Universe but in real life in The State of California in which Los Angeles is, from which Los Santos was inspired from for The GTA Universe, the legal age is 18 to move from city to city.
To be able to enter bars, strip clubs and casinos for example, you must be over 21 years old, and this applies in all US states
@@juniorpaulo3494 sorry I forgot to mention I was talking about the legal age law for moving from city to city which is 18, so CJ being 19 could legally move from LS to Liberty City if thats the law in the GTA Universe as well. But now that you've mentioned stripclubs and bars I think what Jimmy's age would be in GTA 5 since you can take him to bars since his DOB is stated 1993 in the Fandom and GTA V is set 2013 so he is 20 or maybe in the GTA Universe the legal age is 18 unlike our Universe.
@@akbarlakhani6624 but Jimmy only enters if he is with Frank, and 2 men in their 20s don't raise much suspicion, since GTA is inspired by real life, I believe the legal age to enter places like this is 21 years old
@@juniorpaulo3494 They do have ID check policies in Bars according with the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control in real life. So if this type of Organization and procedure exists in the GTA Universe then I think 18 might be the legal age in the GTA Universe.
@@akbarlakhani6624Jimmy being born in 93 is Crazy asf because Pete and Pete had been on for like 4 years and Franklin was born in 88 nobody actually born in the 80s would buy Nickelodeon star Danny Tamberelli as a young adult in 2014 😂
24 my ass CJ is much older he looks older tho
How old do you think he is in 1992
It's about right he 24
Sweet prob 35
He doesn’t look older bro looks like a 25 year old lol
@LScentral hey love your vids
i feel like these game wikis need to use the [citation needed] tag more often given all this, lmaooo
Yeah and give sources of their magically acquired info haha
I never even heard of any of these theories before.
It's been 20 years plus and we still have no clue who did the hit on CJ's mom just like how we cant find who shot tupac
It was diddy. Big smoke was at a diddy party
I always thought CJ was between the ages of twenty something to 35 I never figured an exact age because it is never hinted at year of birth or how old he is voice actor age doesn't always equal age of character
That’s the beautiful thing about GTA there are so many scenarios that could have taken place and the lore could or could not be, making it l endless possibilities and stories.
Isn't that a thing about every lore though? 😅
Ive heard of eiht falling out with RS ...i didn't believe it was true, what i do believe its that the entire ryder thing was a last minute thing and they didn't want to bring him back with a new contract specially since ryder's role because became much to big and his songs were already licenced so why would they not put them in the game, remember RS has no problem vilifying actors over nothing, remember what rockstar did to niko's VA...
What happened to Niko's VA?
@ClaviHaze he found out how much sales the game made and said something along the lines of ... Well I should have asked for more then for the quality of the entire performance (he did the mocap and the voice acting) he tried to renegotiate because he had no idea about the scope of the game and rockstar knew this and how much sales it would get, I think rockstar heavily downplayed the fact that they kept him in the dark about scope of the game because he said he is certainly no gamer to know these stuff.
And in the next few days RS I think they told him to fuck off stating that he signed the contract.
Edit : and thus he never returned to do anything again in the videogame industry.
@@Ko700elSame thing they did to Ray Liotta they paid him shit he didn’t know how much they made so he was talking shit bout breaking rs and they got wind of it and stopped doing business with him
@@Nixkrude79 rockstar loves to vilify those who don't agree with them, specially about money...
@@Ko700el Exactly they sum con artist think bout why ain’t nun of the previous va’s haven’t been back besides Franklin n lazlow VA’s
Ryder betrays you multiple times if you fail his missions so the theory doesn't really stand.
Would Rockstar even need to pay to use Phils likeness again if they wanted to remaster VCS? IV also has real life celebrities show up in the game and the game is still backwards compatible and Rockstar and Phil Collins are still on good terms with Phil showing up on every GTA with a licensed soundtrack after VCS I think the most likely answer is that the LCS mobile port didn't sell too well and Rockstar had better things to do then remaster a nichie side game that would only appeal to diehard fans
Mike can't be a high-ranked member. the Forelli family is almost gone in 2001. They only has like that one territory. If Franco die in LCS, who is gonna be the new don? They lost almost everything.
R completely forgot about gta 1 2 and london
Different universes GTA's 1 and 2 and London expansions are in the 2D universe. GTA 3 to GTA VCS are in the 3D universe and from GTA 4 onwards are in the current HD universe.
00:50 - name of sound ? could u share this info ? thnx
I was gonna ask the same thing I think it's from a cutscene in the game
Okay i remember it's that cutscene where they all Watpoing some explicit things on tv
I never heard him having a beef with R* I heard he had some trouble with the law and had to bow out early.
Also LCS never got a remaster either 🤷
One GTA theory i get tired of hearin, is which real life gangs are depicted in the game.
Talk about undead nightmare
Ya
12:04 or grove street FAMILIES?😅
hey guys, this is off topic, but can u pls tell me what mods u guys use for gta sa? did u guys get a mod pack orr?
also ur guys email doesnt work lol
Why is there some guy posting so many comments?
I didn't even notice. These bots are getting good.
R is too lazy to deal with licenses all they care about is money like EA
It has nothing to do with being lazy, it is common sense in the Business
@@commanderblack5045 yeah that's right brother 💯💯
Its just insane that a billion dollar company wont-- etc etc.
Lance's older than Victor
he looks 30 minimum
I’m not saying your wrong, but wasn’t Brian underage, that’d be a massive age gap from Sweet to Brian and there’s still Kendl and CJ stuck in there
Is PS2 character model
You can't judge this just looking at him
Stop being silly
@@cristianiiv6418 exactly, CJ has to be mid 20’s at most
I thought CJ was 39 😂
How 🤨
@juicechevy7398 My brother randomly told me at some point
He also told me Mario was smaller than Luigi because he eats beans lol
@@ross3695_basedhax Oh that's funny
In my gta verse. My gta fan fiction universe, I make Ryder die as a Grove street families homie instead of a traitor. CJ would be 24 or 25 years old of age in 1992. Also, I make CJ have a personal mission involving killing the three ballas that killed his mom when the ballas real target was Sweet. Perhaps Sweet joins CJ in killing the drive by shooting ballas.
first comment pls pin