Carcer City is mentioned in GTA III, before the release of Manhunt on Flash FM, as being "nearby", so probably in the State of Liberty, in the 3D Universe at least.
I really am sorry for what I'm about to say.. it's truly the number one "erm.. actually☝️🤓" moment in our modern society.. Although, I do have to say it. It wouldn't make sense for this to be a show in Grand Theft Auto 5 because GTA 5, and pretty much every GTA in general have usually comical and comedic commercials and movies. L.A Noir might not be the most serious at times, but I'd say it's more serious and dramatic than something in GTA 5.
there was a war in the Gta universe where the americans fought the australians. It's a minor fact but maybe this war is the reason cities changed name between RDR and GTA
"the things I saw in the war cousin ... They were upside down riding giant lizards and birds. They carried kazoos and used spider cannons... Are you fucking asleep roman?!“
midnight club shouldnt be in its own universe for one big reason, the brands, they use real car manufacturers and real clothing brands for those games.
For 3 and LA yeah. But 1 and 2 didn’t, they only featured real locations just with cars that had different names and appearances to their real life counterparts.
Yes, exactly. That was why I said that Manhunt is in the 3D universe, instead of HD because even though it's mentioned in the HD universe in GTA 4 and 5, locations can cross universe, just not characters, so Carcer City can exist in every universe, but James Earl Cash can't.
There's at least one exception to the character rule. El Burro. He is a mission giver in GTA 1 and 3. Although, since it is different universes, then it's two versions of him, but he is in both.
My theory is that cities and states simply changed their names at some point in the 20th century, Liberty used to be New York and San Andreas used to be California back when Arthur and John were alive, but later got renamed and became what we see in GTA, with stuff as car plates and turism billboards being simply old stuff that no one ever bothered to change (which fits with the running theme of GTA that the US is actually a pretty run-down country), and then when characters mention California and Florida in GTA, they are simply referring to the old names, which everyone in that world understands actually mean San Andreas and Leonida.
this, or what i kinda think is that Liberty City is a local nickname of the city. Like Chicago is know as the Windy City, they’re synonymous with one another and aren’t separate locations.
Doesn’t make much sense In 4 and 5 the new cars have NY and CA plates, unless they’re collector plates (which they most likely are) I don’t see how the names is able to change in that time period Still an amazing theory
GTA 3 references Miami, Carcer City, and New York I believe. From there that meant both versions of cities could exist. Red Dead takes place in the HD universe mostly because some assets carry over and references like that book. It would surprise me if we don't have references to Saint Denis in GTA 6 since they are the only 2 active franchises with Rockstar right now.
honestly i just don’t think the writers thought this far ahead lol gta 3 was like a leap of faith for rockstar at the time. i’m pretty sure they did not foresee how big the franchise would eventually get
I think Bully and all games past it exist in the HD universe. (Even though Bully isn't HD but Chinatown wars isn't either) (Except the Max Payne series) There's proof like Bullsworth School existing in GTA 4. Hatman is in both Bully and red dead Redemption. Even Bullsworth symbol existing in Red Dead Redemption 2. LA Noire possibly has a family member of Jack Marston. Someone in a list in a book was a Marston.
If you look in the booklet for Manhunt 2 it says that the main character Daniel Lamb graduated from the University of San Fierro in 1985 and there are assets from 3D era gta games found in Manhunt 2 like the Voodoo and the Trashmaster
I genuinely just think at this point they really are in separate universes. I just find the idea of the two cities (Fictional and the Real life) co-existing so dumb that I’ll just pretend that option doesn’t exist and just accept they’re in different universes
I know, it doesn't make much sense until we see exactly what this canon map looks like, but there's too much evidence to support they co-exist with eachother.
My headcanon is that new york and l.a and any other cities look vastly different from the real life ones, and that liberty city and los santos are the cities we know irl. What new york, florida, los angeles, california look like in the hd universe is a mystery
@Splatinum69 well we know that San Andreas is California (and can assume it stills stretches to San Francisco and Las Vegas making it bigger than Cali) and that Florida is in the state of "Leonida" (which is unknown whether it's the same Shape as Florida and stuff)
My explanation that I would give to that would be that the real life names of the locations are only nicknames or simply other names for the same place. Vice City has the other name of Miami, and New York has the other name of Liberty City. Leonida is commonly named Florida, by Niko in one of the Eddie Low missions in GTA IV. Sort of like how we call Chicago the Windy City, sometimes, in real life.
MAX PAYNE takes place in the Remedy Universe (Alan Wake, Control…) Carcer City is mentioned in various gta games (3d - hd) RDR/LA NOIRE could be in-game media (Books/TV Shows…)
Manhunt and GTA are in same universe. One of the protagonist in Manhunt was born in San Fierro, San Andreas and he returns to the city at the end of the game. Michael De Santa had his first robbery in Carcer City.
It is covered in the start of the video that Rockstar themselves say that background characters/brands and things on the radio can exist between universes, which makes it more likely that references to California or anything outside the GTA universe on the radio or within advertisements etc. could be considered transient and not tied to the actual game universe it exists in.
I believe Red Dead is in the Grand Theft Auto HD Universe. There are references to California in GTA V and GTA Advance. My headcanon for this is that the names of the states changed recently enough for some old people still remember it and have passed it on to a handful of people.
I don't think the city/state names are changed because it's confirmed in GTA 4 that LC was created in the 1600's or something. But you are right that Red Dead is in the HD universe.
I tried to map the rdr map and gta map and it could be connected, but the scale is way off. As in 5 different states in the state of Louisiana. I’d argue that the storyline is canon, but in the same way Gta San Andreas and V are connected. The events happened since Dutch’s grandson is canon in gta online along with the German family being the grandparents of El Rubio, the book from Jack Marston, and the Bigfoot hunters grandson, but the map and direct events are likely slightly different. Just pretend it’s a movie adaptation of real events. It’s essentially the amount of differences that would be seen if that were the case.
In my personal headcanon, its still two different universes but both the events of the HD universe and RDR happened in the universes. Maybe the names are the only thing different in the universes and the events of the games happened the same.
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this but not only was Carcer City referenced in GTA 3 and SA - it was mentioned on LCS too. I played it last year and came across a radio ad where the caller was supposedly from Carcer City.
GTA’s United States is so confusing.If San Andreas coexists with California, i wonder where San Andreas is. It’s an island, but then again Trevor implies that the GTA 5 map is only HALF of san andreas when reaching Paleto Bay during the “I Fought The Law” mission. San Fierro and Las Venturas have been mentioned many times in GTA 5 and 4 so maybe we just can’t see the other half. there are also US maps found throughout GTA 5 that show all 48 states except the islands of San Andreas and Liberty City.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's canon that San Andreas is supposed to be an island. I believe it is only like that for gameplay reasons and is meant to be connected to the mainland. But you are right, I have no idea what this world of GTA looks like exactly, but I hope it's something Rockstar confirms one day...
@@JetroYT Although many players think the characters see the map as an island, if I'm not mistaken in some GTA V or Online mission Lester refers to the western or the northern water mass as a river, implying that there must be other cities near them if not San Fierro or Las Venturas or just the rest of the country
@@JetroYT that makes sense because the area north of bone county looks sliced like a cake and drops off like a cliff to the water except for the area by the airstrip that has a small dock and inlet.
I don’t really think we should be including LA Noire or force it into fitting in the HD Universe, because that game was just not made by Rockstar at all and them referencing it in GTA 5 just seems like them trying to force it into their multiverse, they have to make an LA Noire 2 with references to San Andreas Liberty City and Leonida to convince me more
Great video, I've always liked the idea of gta and red dead being in the same universe but I was always put off by the amount of people criticising the idea because of state/city names and stuff like that and I could never really come up with a reasonable explanation but thanks to this video I now have one.
5:20 I think I saw this somewhere on this, saying that even though the GTA cities are based on the real cities The real cities actually exist in the same universe as the GTA It's very confusing but it really is true
so we just gonna forget about Red Dead Revolver, and the fact that the protagonist of that game is mentioned by some background characters in RDR? Then again I could be misremembering that last bit
They've been doing this since GTA 1 (It's own theme tune mentions real life police departments despite them having the spoof cities in the game and one rock tune on the Unleashed radio mentions L.A. "Was cruisin' down the freeway with the guys in L.A." Music in GTA 1 was all made in house.) so either names being used interchangeably or the both fake and real places existing, either I can get behind.
I still dont understand how rockstar says the characters aren’t in the same universe but lazlzo is on the 3d universe radios and is a character in the hd universe
They ONLY make exceptions for radio personalities, like Lazlow. Every main/side character is what they are referring too as being separate to their own universes.
One thing that really gets me about this is how you can have Claude & John Marston be an ancestor when playing GTA Online. It could be a nice nod but it also adds some doubt to some things being separate
It means the first charather we manage beyond all games from cronologic order, Is red dead Online charather. He is the first managable story charather of them all.
Instead of saying “a wizard did it”, since there are major historical events that happen in the GTA games that never happened IRL, so it’s possible NYC changed their name to Liberty City for some wacky reason
How I simplify it is like this •Manhunt exists within the HD universe as an exception Carcer City is the fictional depiction of Detroit Lionel Starkweather is a renowned Vinewood director and runs the snuff film ring out of his let’s say vacation home in Carcer •Max Payne and L.A. Noire are gritty crime Dramas Michael likes to watch •RDR 1&2 are one novel like Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy and Red Dead Revolver is the loose Spaghetti Western film adaptation like the Dollars Trilogy •Bullworth Academy is a reform within the GTA Universe more than likely located in a mainland area of GTA America •Midnight Club is the GTA universes version of The Fast and Furious franchise •the entire story of Manhunt 2 is actually an overly elaborate conspiracy theory that Ron tells Trevor •Table Tennis was probably just a televised Olympic sporting event Michael fell asleep too one slow day The only thing that wouldn’t be cannon because it exists in the real world as a buck and film would be The Warriors game
I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that LA noir is part of the HD universe because in the mission reuniting the family the movie that Michael watches is filmed in LA noir
I wish the 3D GTA universe was linked with the HD universe, and Rockstar had a better relationship with their voice actors, so they can come back for a short cutscene/cameo. Imagine seeing CJ meet franklin, or Niko being in a mission in GTA 6
Carcer city is seen in the GTA SA intro too in the flights screen and Max Payne 3 has photos of vehicles from GTA 5 and 4, some of which hadn't came out until a GTAO dlc
Apparently Bully is connected to GTA and manhunt as well. It’s kinda crazy considering the amount of kids that have to hear news of our characters committing so many crimes lol
Only manhunt 1 and 2, bully, and the 3D GTA games share a universe. There’s not really any debate that “all rockstar games” share a universe. Otherwise it would be called Midnight Club: Los Santos, and LS Noire, and Max Payne would take place in Liberty city
Manhunt happened in the 3d universe... Carcer City just happens to exist in the HD universe as a locations as well. I saw a theory somewhere that some version or another of the story's events still take place in the HD Universe. San Andreas doesnt explicitly happen in the HD Universe, but the story could've implicitly happened in the timeline with undetermined changes.
Midnight Club LA is not part of the GTA universe for a simple reason. Midnight Club uses real cars, GTA uses fictional ones. No car in GTA and Midnight Club are shared between the games, they only have similar counterparts.
Also, at some point , Lamar and Franklin mention grove st being a families hood, which ties back to San Andreas . So the hd and 3d universe are a lil more related
Red dead Revolver is probably in the 3D universe and maybe similar events happened in the HD universe as Red Harlow is referenced in both Redemption games.
Radios mentioning cities is very dumb tbh, those radio host probably didn’t realize their mistake, rockstar usually lets those hosts do their own thing
Yea could be, but there is still the countless other references to real world locations, and the Miami Billboards, which Rockstar had an opportunity to remove in the definitive edition, but they never did, solidifying that it is supposed to be there.
@@JetroYT sure but rockstar wasn’t really in charge of making the definitive edition, they gave it to another company and I’m sure they probably made mistake, it can’t be possible for two identical locations, that would be weird but I do believe that states might be a thing considering
@@JetroYTexcept Rockstar outsourced the definitive edition to Grove Street Games, a company which before working on GTADE had only worked on mobile games. So i doubt they cared enough to fix a 20 year old mistake.
I can answer that 5 seconds into the video: no. If it is, it's because they retroactively made it so. But no, they didnt set out with a plan to do it from the very first R* game.
when you talk about game mechanics between games I.E. la noire when you find the serial number on a gun or the max payne 3 kill cams both being in Red Dead 2 as well as bullet time From max payne being in everything. it kinda makes sense that all these games are connected.
This is good find. Although I’m not too sure if gameplay mechanics can be considered canon. I could be wrong though I’d like to hear other people’s thoughts.
Okay here me out, this video seems to have strong opinions here’s mine, I believe the real world and the Rockstar world ARE 2 universes, Rockstar worlds ARE NOT perfect recreations of the real world… sure, Vice City is BASED ON Miami but that doesn’t mean IT IS Miami, it’s Vice City, BASED ON Miami, NOT ACTUALLY Miami, I remember hearing a theory about their being some sort of flooding or natural disaster, that’s why the GTA worlds are on islands.
in gta sa if you go into the shop that zero owns you can see action figures of piggsy and james earl from manhunt although gta sa is set in 1992 and manhunt is set in 2003 (there are also action figures of lance and tommy from gta vc)
Idk but I have a feeling GTA VI is gonna have a bunch of nods and references to previous GTA games and RDR. Which I’m all here for tbh. It might even include Rockstar’s other games as well. I’m super excited about that if it happens.
If the two city canon did exist that would be extremely weird considering how close related they might be, like New York with Liberty city, thats just odd, GTA universes don’t include cities that already have a parody of em like NYC or LA, but other cities around the country might exist
I think Rockstar never mentioned that real-life cities aren’t actually in the universe with the in- game counterparts simply because it should be assumed and they didn’t feel like it was necessary to say so. I think posters, license plates, etc that have California, Miami, etc. might just be developers having fun with it because those things mean something to them. Like for instance maybe a California license plate in GTA V is put there with the same numbers that their license plate used to have or something. I save all my old plates every time I move to a new state.
The biggest thing is maps, what connects these games are the maps, the red dead game's use fictional names for their states, maps dont line up to exist in the same universe. Manhunt is easy, it take place in the 3D universe, but i think it also implies that manhunt manhunt may exists in the HD universe too. But yeah even before manhunt was made or released, gta 3 refernces carcer city so many times with even a tie into events into manhunt 1, manhunt 2 is 3D too but almost no games reference cottonmouth where it takes place
In my opinion, Rockstar initially wanted to keep these universes separate but as time passed they’ve been experimenting with connecting them at least with just easter eggs.
I do have some head. Cannon, things about this universe theory. Like, for example, in the HD univere. The redemption takes place in the past. Grand theft auto takes place in the present and ones like Max Payne and l.a noire Are actually movies in the HD universe. As they were not developed by rockstar but could still technically take place as entertainment
Midnight club is definitely not in the same universe as say GTA because they literally feature LA where as GTA has Los Santos. Max Payne 3 featured a part in New York (New Jersey actually but close enough) and I believe LA was also mentioned by Max sometime in the story. LA Noire I also doubt is in the GTA universe, those references to it in GTA 5 could've been a similar story playing out in Los Santos. Also, its very weird to imagine that in the GTA universe real life cities exist along with their counterparts, so we have what is essentially a duplicate of New York, LA, Miami etc along with the real life version? Very strange
I know that it’s weird for there to be 2 cities, I agree. But again, all I’m saying is there is way more evidence to support this being true, than the opposite.
I have a great explanation to this. So the top down and 3d era would be canon in the HD universe but, they would be movies/video game media. The top down being arcade games and 3d being movies/shows on the televisions in the HD universe.
And if you don’t trust me, Reverend Swanson, before going to New York he takes the TRAIN not the boat. Its just that RDR 2’s map is based on real America, but it doesn’t show all the country.
I've always thought that hearing things like New York or California, is just OUR very own universes interpretation of the locations found in the GTA Universe. Kind of like how when we watch movies where the dialogue is English, but the film is set in a different country with a different language that we can't speak. It's just a translation of sort to make it more easily understood without having to learn the language, or in this case learn the new locations.
GTA 3 references manhunt and the corrupt police chief Gary Schafer. Las venturas hasn’t been mentioned in the he universe (at least not from memory), Danny from MH2 went to las venturas university. GTA SA I’m pretty sure references sightings of James earl cash on the radio or I might be mixing that up with another thing. Bully has referenced stark weather films through students talking about it.
One of my favourite radio stations in GTA SA was WCTR; I remember hearing about Carcer City in a radio programme.I believe it was a programme in which people called and talked to the hosts because I think I remember something in the lines of the host arguing with the caller about Carcer City or asking the caller about it. Nevertheless I remember Carcer City being mentioned in San Andreas.
Well allow me to complicate things: As you said, the graphics is what allows to separate the universes. I have a fan theory: GTA Definitive Edition allows for the old GTAs to have modern graphics allowing them to be capable of setting foot in the HD universe now.
The fact that gta advance takes place in the 3d universe despite it being a 2d game suggests that graphics really don't dictate in which universe these games fall under.
Another thing to note are the geographical differences, while gta has always taken place on island cities. Red dead has always remained surrounded by lands like our own real world. So it seems unlikely they're in the same universe
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Carcer City is mentioned in GTA III, before the release of Manhunt on Flash FM, as being "nearby", so probably in the State of Liberty, in the 3D Universe at least.
Actually is on Lips 106
And gary shafer is mentioned as well
Might be next to LC, so maybe Jersey City?
@@HorseChoker001 Nah,in Gta 4 is also close to Liberty City but there is Alderney (GTA New Jersey),is more likely Chicago or Detroit
Theory is that Carcer is Detroit
I like the theory that la noire is a show in gta because it honestly felt like it
A show that Michael would watch
@@jamesdawg2813 While sippin cognac and smoking a cigar
@@xSavedSoulx or eating some chips
@@2108czernikowand watching his wife getting trained by her trainer in bedroom
I really am sorry for what I'm about to say.. it's truly the number one "erm.. actually☝️🤓" moment in our modern society.. Although, I do have to say it. It wouldn't make sense for this to be a show in Grand Theft Auto 5 because GTA 5, and pretty much every GTA in general have usually comical and comedic commercials and movies. L.A Noir might not be the most serious at times, but I'd say it's more serious and dramatic than something in GTA 5.
there was a war in the Gta universe where the americans fought the australians. It's a minor fact but maybe this war is the reason cities changed name between RDR and GTA
Is it cause Australia always bans their games?
"the things I saw in the war cousin ... They were upside down riding giant lizards and birds. They carried kazoos and used spider cannons... Are you fucking asleep roman?!“
@@Dolo18Hunna I wouldn't be surprised if it was
@Dolo18Hunna out of interest. Which gta games are banned?
@@reddeadvids1355 both manhunt games are banned and gta v was banned but it’s not anymore
midnight club shouldnt be in its own universe for one big reason, the brands, they use real car manufacturers and real clothing brands for those games.
For 3 and LA yeah. But 1 and 2 didn’t, they only featured real locations just with cars that had different names and appearances to their real life counterparts.
@@-SoonerorLaterI’m guessing it’s in the same universe as LA noire since both use real car brand
@@djiwoqpqkdqowldjdbx5378 That is possible
Quick thing to point out with Carcer city, if Liberty City and Vice City are in multiple universes then Carcer City can be as well
Yes, exactly. That was why I said that Manhunt is in the 3D universe, instead of HD because even though it's mentioned in the HD universe in GTA 4 and 5, locations can cross universe, just not characters, so Carcer City can exist in every universe, but James Earl Cash can't.
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@@mikenash6124 whoops, thank you!
There's at least one exception to the character rule. El Burro. He is a mission giver in GTA 1 and 3. Although, since it is different universes, then it's two versions of him, but he is in both.
My theory is that cities and states simply changed their names at some point in the 20th century, Liberty used to be New York and San Andreas used to be California back when Arthur and John were alive, but later got renamed and became what we see in GTA, with stuff as car plates and turism billboards being simply old stuff that no one ever bothered to change (which fits with the running theme of GTA that the US is actually a pretty run-down country), and then when characters mention California and Florida in GTA, they are simply referring to the old names, which everyone in that world understands actually mean San Andreas and Leonida.
Most logical theory
My theory is that they both exist
this, or what i kinda think is that Liberty City is a local nickname of the city. Like Chicago is know as the Windy City, they’re synonymous with one another and aren’t separate locations.
Literally, people over complicate stuff too much
Doesn’t make much sense
In 4 and 5 the new cars have NY and CA plates, unless they’re collector plates (which they most likely are) I don’t see how the names is able to change in that time period
Still an amazing theory
Carcer City was also mentioned on the gta sa Radio
Yea, Carcer City is mentioned a lot throughout the series. It makes sense for GTA SA tho since they are in the same universe
@@JetroYT im only saying this since you only included the gta 4 & 5 references in the video
GTA 3 references Miami, Carcer City, and New York I believe. From there that meant both versions of cities could exist. Red Dead takes place in the HD universe mostly because some assets carry over and references like that book. It would surprise me if we don't have references to Saint Denis in GTA 6 since they are the only 2 active franchises with Rockstar right now.
I wouldn't be surprised if GTA 6 has as many or more references to RDR 2 in it.
honestly i just don’t think the writers thought this far ahead lol gta 3 was like a leap of faith for rockstar at the time. i’m pretty sure they did not foresee how big the franchise would eventually get
And isn't lamar talking to Franklin on how grove street wasn't always ballast territory ij reference to gta San andreas
One thing i am stuck on is the location of manhunt 2 isnt it supposed to be new orleans??
I think Bully and all games past it exist in the HD universe. (Even though Bully isn't HD but Chinatown wars isn't either) (Except the Max Payne series)
There's proof like Bullsworth School existing in GTA 4. Hatman is in both Bully and red dead Redemption.
Even Bullsworth symbol existing in Red Dead Redemption 2. LA Noire possibly has a family member of Jack Marston. Someone in a list in a book was a Marston.
If you look in the booklet for Manhunt 2 it says that the main character Daniel Lamb graduated from the University of San Fierro in 1985 and there are assets from 3D era gta games found in Manhunt 2 like the Voodoo and the Trashmaster
I genuinely just think at this point they really are in separate universes. I just find the idea of the two cities (Fictional and the Real life) co-existing so dumb that I’ll just pretend that option doesn’t exist and just accept they’re in different universes
I know, it doesn't make much sense until we see exactly what this canon map looks like, but there's too much evidence to support they co-exist with eachother.
My headcanon is that new york and l.a and any other cities look vastly different from the real life ones, and that liberty city and los santos are the cities we know irl. What new york, florida, los angeles, california look like in the hd universe is a mystery
@Splatinum69 well we know that San Andreas is California (and can assume it stills stretches to San Francisco and Las Vegas making it bigger than Cali) and that Florida is in the state of "Leonida" (which is unknown whether it's the same Shape as Florida and stuff)
@@JetroYT There's too much evidence to support you huff your own farts
My explanation that I would give to that would be that the real life names of the locations are only nicknames or simply other names for the same place. Vice City has the other name of Miami, and New York has the other name of Liberty City.
Leonida is commonly named Florida, by Niko in one of the Eddie Low missions in GTA IV. Sort of like how we call Chicago the Windy City, sometimes, in real life.
MAX PAYNE takes place in the Remedy Universe (Alan Wake, Control…)
Carcer City is mentioned in various gta games (3d - hd)
RDR/LA NOIRE could be in-game media (Books/TV Shows…)
Max Payne, the only series to be part of 2 different gaming universes at the same time.
So you're telling me max payne become Alan wake later since both are same character lol
@@thegameking3931 if you played any any alan wake game u would know that alex casey is literally max payne
@@thegates-pearly but that's not Max Pyne that alex Casey
He is character Alan wrote
Wasent it the first mission of LA nior where u find a cowboy that in the trash can and everyone said it was a reference too RDR?
Manhunt and GTA are in same universe. One of the protagonist in Manhunt was born in San Fierro, San Andreas and he returns to the city at the end of the game.
Michael De Santa had his first robbery in Carcer City.
It is covered in the start of the video that Rockstar themselves say that background characters/brands and things on the radio can exist between universes, which makes it more likely that references to California or anything outside the GTA universe on the radio or within advertisements etc. could be considered transient and not tied to the actual game universe it exists in.
In GTA 5 there is gang Dialog mentioning the main character in GTA San Andrea's, so this should connect the universes together.
Every single theory community always end up in the same thesis:
"If it contradicts my headcanon, then it is just a funny easter egg"
Does this mean Austin Powers Oh behave is in the 2D universe? 😂
LMAO, then Rockstar Ping Pong must be 3D Universe too
😂😂😂😂
Your videos are honestly put together so well for a relatively small channel. I’m sure we will all be watching you grow in the near future
I appreciate that dude, thank you and I hope your right!
Masterclass of a video mate, keep it up
Thank you man, I’m glad you liked it!
I believe Red Dead is in the Grand Theft Auto HD Universe. There are references to California in GTA V and GTA Advance. My headcanon for this is that the names of the states changed recently enough for some old people still remember it and have passed it on to a handful of people.
I don't think the city/state names are changed because it's confirmed in GTA 4 that LC was created in the 1600's or something. But you are right that Red Dead is in the HD universe.
I tried to map the rdr map and gta map and it could be connected, but the scale is way off. As in 5 different states in the state of Louisiana.
I’d argue that the storyline is canon, but in the same way Gta San Andreas and V are connected. The events happened since Dutch’s grandson is canon in gta online along with the German family being the grandparents of El Rubio, the book from Jack Marston, and the Bigfoot hunters grandson, but the map and direct events are likely slightly different.
Just pretend it’s a movie adaptation of real events. It’s essentially the amount of differences that would be seen if that were the case.
In my personal headcanon, its still two different universes but both the events of the HD universe and RDR happened in the universes. Maybe the names are the only thing different in the universes and the events of the games happened the same.
5:14 just imagine a GTA with this map...
Stripes and stars mod
there's a theory that El Rubio's Ancestors was the German Family that Arthur and Charles saved during the final mission for Chapter 2
I remember seeing something about this when I was researching. Might be worth a video someday.
They also mention Carcer City in GTA 3 on the radio
I reckon you'll be one of the main GTA TH-camrs when VI comes out.
I appreciate that a lot dude, thank you! Just glad people are enjoying the content I make.
I read forum posts when BULLY came out theorizing that he was a younger James Earl Cash 😂
This ties up a lot of loose ends, great vid.
I like the theory. Glad you enjoyed though, thank you!
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this but not only was Carcer City referenced in GTA 3 and SA - it was mentioned on LCS too. I played it last year and came across a radio ad where the caller was supposedly from Carcer City.
GTA’s United States is so confusing.If San Andreas coexists with California, i wonder where San Andreas is. It’s an island, but then again Trevor implies that the GTA 5 map is only HALF of san andreas when reaching Paleto Bay during the “I Fought The Law” mission. San Fierro and Las Venturas have been mentioned many times in GTA 5 and 4 so maybe we just can’t see the other half. there are also US maps found throughout GTA 5 that show all 48 states except the islands of San Andreas and Liberty City.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's canon that San Andreas is supposed to be an island. I believe it is only like that for gameplay reasons and is meant to be connected to the mainland. But you are right, I have no idea what this world of GTA looks like exactly, but I hope it's something Rockstar confirms one day...
@@JetroYT Although many players think the characters see the map as an island, if I'm not mistaken in some GTA V or Online mission Lester refers to the western or the northern water mass as a river, implying that there must be other cities near them if not San Fierro or Las Venturas or just the rest of the country
Not confusing at all, if you know then you know. Which state is wich.
@@JetroYT that makes sense because the area north of bone county looks sliced like a cake and drops off like a cliff to the water except for the area by the airstrip that has a small dock and inlet.
I don’t really think we should be including LA Noire or force it into fitting in the HD Universe, because that game was just not made by Rockstar at all and them referencing it in GTA 5 just seems like them trying to force it into their multiverse, they have to make an LA Noire 2 with references to San Andreas Liberty City and Leonida to convince me more
Great video, I've always liked the idea of gta and red dead being in the same universe but I was always put off by the amount of people criticising the idea because of state/city names and stuff like that and I could never really come up with a reasonable explanation but thanks to this video I now have one.
Thank you! Not everyone will agree but that's alright. Just what made sense to me. Either way, glad you enjoyed!
@@JetroYTit doesn’t make sense cuz it’s an Easter egg
Stop making videos glazing your opinions when they aren’t right lol
A bully character with the Bullworth vest is in a gta4 cutscene, where Niko, Johnny, Playboy X are at Elizabetha's party before a mission
John Marston's hat is in a dumpster in L.A. Noire
@@SemorreButteAlso someone named a Marston was in LA Noire.
So funny how we as fans are clamoring to make sense out of something that was meant to be overlooked this entire time
5:20 I think I saw this somewhere on this, saying that even though the GTA cities are based on the real cities
The real cities actually exist in the same universe as the GTA
It's very confusing but it really is true
watched this video till the end, then i realized you had not hundreds of thousands, but 2k subscribers lol. keep up the great work
One day hopefully lol. I'm glad you liked it though, cheers!
Okay but where do we stand on which universe to place Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis?
Even Rockstar table tennis has GTA locations, one of the venues is in liberty
GTA 3 mentions Carcer City too so I don’t see how the manhunt thing is a contradiction
You can see trashmaster and voodoo in Manhunt 2 (3D Universe Vehicles)
About L.A Noire, there is a cutscene in gta V when Michael watch a movie that looks like L.A. Noire
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so we just gonna forget about Red Dead Revolver, and the fact that the protagonist of that game is mentioned by some background characters in RDR? Then again I could be misremembering that last bit
Red Dead Revolver is confirmed to not be canon to the Red Dead story, same with Undead Nightmares.
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Thank you for your comments! I'm glad you liked it!
They've been doing this since GTA 1 (It's own theme tune mentions real life police departments despite them having the spoof cities in the game and one rock tune on the Unleashed radio mentions L.A. "Was cruisin' down the freeway with the guys in L.A." Music in GTA 1 was all made in house.) so either names being used interchangeably or the both fake and real places existing, either I can get behind.
I still dont understand how rockstar says the characters aren’t in the same universe but lazlzo is on the 3d universe radios and is a character in the hd universe
They ONLY make exceptions for radio personalities, like Lazlow. Every main/side character is what they are referring too as being separate to their own universes.
One thing that really gets me about this is how you can have Claude & John Marston be an ancestor when playing GTA Online. It could be a nice nod but it also adds some doubt to some things being separate
I think that was just there for the fun of it, and not for actual lore.
It means the first charather we manage beyond all games from cronologic order, Is red dead Online charather. He is the first managable story charather of them all.
Red Harlow in Red dead Revolver,It takes place before Rdr 2
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Instead of saying “a wizard did it”, since there are major historical events that happen in the GTA games that never happened IRL, so it’s possible NYC changed their name to Liberty City for some wacky reason
How I simplify it is like this
•Manhunt exists within the HD universe as an exception Carcer City is the fictional depiction of Detroit Lionel Starkweather is a renowned Vinewood director and runs the snuff film ring out of his let’s say vacation home in Carcer
•Max Payne and L.A. Noire are gritty crime Dramas Michael likes to watch
•RDR 1&2 are one novel like Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy and Red Dead Revolver is the loose Spaghetti Western film adaptation like the Dollars Trilogy
•Bullworth Academy is a reform within the GTA Universe more than likely located in a mainland area of GTA America
•Midnight Club is the GTA universes version of The Fast and Furious franchise
•the entire story of Manhunt 2 is actually an overly elaborate conspiracy theory that Ron tells Trevor
•Table Tennis was probably just a televised Olympic sporting event Michael fell asleep too one slow day
The only thing that wouldn’t be cannon because it exists in the real world as a buck and film would be The Warriors game
8:05 personally I'm more interested in the book next to it "Life In the Hood: Uncircumcised". Why does Franklin have that?
I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that LA noir is part of the HD universe because in the mission reuniting the family the movie that Michael watches is filmed in LA noir
I would love to see Max Payne having a happy life reference of some sort in GTA 6
I wish the 3D GTA universe was linked with the HD universe, and Rockstar had a better relationship with their voice actors, so they can come back for a short cutscene/cameo. Imagine seeing CJ meet franklin, or Niko being in a mission in GTA 6
Carcer city is seen in the GTA SA intro too in the flights screen and Max Payne 3 has photos of vehicles from GTA 5 and 4, some of which hadn't came out until a GTAO dlc
Apparently Bully is connected to GTA and manhunt as well. It’s kinda crazy considering the amount of kids that have to hear news of our characters committing so many crimes lol
Really enjoyed the vid, subbed :)
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Only manhunt 1 and 2, bully, and the 3D GTA games share a universe. There’s not really any debate that “all rockstar games” share a universe. Otherwise it would be called Midnight Club: Los Santos, and LS Noire, and Max Payne would take place in Liberty city
Manhunt happened in the 3d universe... Carcer City just happens to exist in the HD universe as a locations as well.
I saw a theory somewhere that some version or another of the story's events still take place in the HD Universe. San Andreas doesnt explicitly happen in the HD Universe, but the story could've implicitly happened in the timeline with undetermined changes.
Midnight Club LA is not part of the GTA universe for a simple reason. Midnight Club uses real cars, GTA uses fictional ones. No car in GTA and Midnight Club are shared between the games, they only have similar counterparts.
Also, at some point , Lamar and Franklin mention grove st being a families hood, which ties back to San Andreas . So the hd and 3d universe are a lil more related
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You missed The Warriors and Red Dead Revolver.
"The Warriors" is an adaptation of the 1979 film of the same name. It could not exist in the GTA universe.
There is a comercial in Manhunt 2 during the mission Broadcast Interuped about a cowboy show that the protagonist looks a lot like Red Harlow
Red dead Revolver is probably in the 3D universe and maybe similar events happened in the HD universe as Red Harlow is referenced in both Redemption games.
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Carcer was also mentioned in GTA 3 on radio station and the police chief
Radios mentioning cities is very dumb tbh, those radio host probably didn’t realize their mistake, rockstar usually lets those hosts do their own thing
Yea could be, but there is still the countless other references to real world locations, and the Miami Billboards, which Rockstar had an opportunity to remove in the definitive edition, but they never did, solidifying that it is supposed to be there.
@@JetroYT sure but rockstar wasn’t really in charge of making the definitive edition, they gave it to another company and I’m sure they probably made mistake, it can’t be possible for two identical locations, that would be weird but I do believe that states might be a thing considering
@@JetroYTexcept Rockstar outsourced the definitive edition to Grove Street Games, a company which before working on GTADE had only worked on mobile games. So i doubt they cared enough to fix a 20 year old mistake.
the miami billboard is simply a 4th wall breaking easter egg, not meant to be taken seriously, its just for the player to laugh@@JetroYT
I can answer that 5 seconds into the video: no.
If it is, it's because they retroactively made it so.
But no, they didnt set out with a plan to do it from the very first R* game.
Except for maybe Manhunt, I agree
when you talk about game mechanics between games I.E. la noire when you find the serial number on a gun or the max payne 3 kill cams both being in Red Dead 2 as well as bullet time From max payne being in everything. it kinda makes sense that all these games are connected.
This is good find. Although I’m not too sure if gameplay mechanics can be considered canon. I could be wrong though I’d like to hear other people’s thoughts.
HOW CAN YOU EVEN QUESTION THIS WHEN YOU HAVE THE IMPECCABLE IN DEPTH STORY OF Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis
Carcer City is first mentioned on GTA III either on Lips 106 or Chatterbox a lady says “In nearby Carcer City”
Okay here me out, this video seems to have strong opinions here’s mine, I believe the real world and the Rockstar world ARE 2 universes, Rockstar worlds ARE NOT perfect recreations of the real world… sure, Vice City is BASED ON Miami but that doesn’t mean IT IS Miami, it’s Vice City, BASED ON Miami, NOT ACTUALLY Miami, I remember hearing a theory about their being some sort of flooding or natural disaster, that’s why the GTA worlds are on islands.
Everybody: RdR and GTA connected
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I think it's like in the series Loki. They exist in the same universe, but in different timelines.
in gta sa if you go into the shop that zero owns you can see action figures of piggsy and james earl from manhunt although gta sa is set in 1992 and manhunt is set in 2003 (there are also action figures of lance and tommy from gta vc)
Love the vid!
Idk but I have a feeling GTA VI is gonna have a bunch of nods and references to previous GTA games and RDR. Which I’m all here for tbh. It might even include Rockstar’s other games as well. I’m super excited about that if it happens.
If the two city canon did exist that would be extremely weird considering how close related they might be, like New York with Liberty city, thats just odd, GTA universes don’t include cities that already have a parody of em like NYC or LA, but other cities around the country might exist
I think Rockstar never mentioned that real-life cities aren’t actually in the universe with the in- game counterparts simply because it should be assumed and they didn’t feel like it was necessary to say so. I think posters, license plates, etc that have California, Miami, etc. might just be developers having fun with it because those things mean something to them. Like for instance maybe a California license plate in GTA V is put there with the same numbers that their license plate used to have or something. I save all my old plates every time I move to a new state.
The biggest thing is maps, what connects these games are the maps, the red dead game's use fictional names for their states, maps dont line up to exist in the same universe.
Manhunt is easy, it take place in the 3D universe, but i think it also implies that manhunt manhunt may exists in the HD universe too. But yeah even before manhunt was made or released, gta 3 refernces carcer city so many times with even a tie into events into manhunt 1, manhunt 2 is 3D too but almost no games reference cottonmouth where it takes place
Rockstar: throws in references for fun
Fans: scratching their head until they bleed, figuring out if worlds are the same 😂
all good points i agree with this video keep it up 👍
Appreciate it man, glad you enjoyed
Carcer City is also referenced in a GTA San Andreas radio station add as a vacation spot.
All Max Paynes are in the same universe because in MP3, Max mentions how that *thing* with him and Mona in MP2 was a mistake
In my opinion, Rockstar initially wanted to keep these universes separate but as time passed they’ve been experimenting with connecting them at least with just easter eggs.
I do have some head.
Cannon, things about this universe theory. Like, for example, in the HD univere. The redemption takes place in the past. Grand theft auto takes place in the present and ones like Max Payne and l.a noire Are actually movies in the HD universe. As they were not developed by rockstar but could still technically take place as entertainment
That Bigfoot side storyline proves RDR and GTA are in the same universe.
Midnight club is definitely not in the same universe as say GTA because they literally feature LA where as GTA has Los Santos.
Max Payne 3 featured a part in New York (New Jersey actually but close enough) and I believe LA was also mentioned by Max sometime in the story.
LA Noire I also doubt is in the GTA universe, those references to it in GTA 5 could've been a similar story playing out in Los Santos.
Also, its very weird to imagine that in the GTA universe real life cities exist along with their counterparts, so we have what is essentially a duplicate of New York, LA, Miami etc along with the real life version? Very strange
I know that it’s weird for there to be 2 cities, I agree. But again, all I’m saying is there is way more evidence to support this being true, than the opposite.
So would that mean similar events to max pain 1&2 happen in the 3D universe and vice-versa
I believe that "San Andreas", "Liberty City" or "Vice City" is something like criminal nickname for exact city irl.
But you Said that The School in Bully was mentionet in gta4 wich takes Place in The hd Universe.
Pretty sure its just the school alone that was in gta 4, bully didn't happen in the hd universe
That’s because locations can co-exist across universes, just not characters.
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I have a great explanation to this. So the top down and 3d era would be canon in the HD universe but, they would be movies/video game media. The top down being arcade games and 3d being movies/shows on the televisions in the HD universe.
Sorry but in Red Dead, there are NOT 2 Americas, it literally says in the cinema « Blackwater, last stop in the West before San Francisco »
And if you don’t trust me, Reverend Swanson, before going to New York he takes the TRAIN not the boat. Its just that RDR 2’s map is based on real America, but it doesn’t show all the country.
Solid research.
I've always thought that hearing things like New York or California, is just OUR very own universes interpretation of the locations found in the GTA Universe. Kind of like how when we watch movies where the dialogue is English, but the film is set in a different country with a different language that we can't speak. It's just a translation of sort to make it more easily understood without having to learn the language, or in this case learn the new locations.
What about red dead revolver
It’s 3d but the main character was reverenced in rdr2
Red Dead Revolver is confirmed by Rockstar to not be canon.
GTA 3 references manhunt and the corrupt police chief Gary Schafer. Las venturas hasn’t been mentioned in the he universe (at least not from memory), Danny from MH2 went to las venturas university. GTA SA I’m pretty sure references sightings of James earl cash on the radio or I might be mixing that up with another thing. Bully has referenced stark weather films through students talking about it.
I think you forgot Epsilon, which they are present in RDR2 and almost every GTA
One of my favourite radio stations in GTA SA was WCTR; I remember hearing about Carcer City in a radio programme.I believe it was a programme in which people called and talked to the hosts because I think I remember something in the lines of the host arguing with the caller about Carcer City or asking the caller about it. Nevertheless I remember Carcer City being mentioned in San Andreas.
Carcer City is also one of the cities on the destinations board at the airport during the first cutscene of San Andreas.
Well allow me to complicate things:
As you said, the graphics is what allows to separate the universes.
I have a fan theory: GTA Definitive Edition allows for the old GTAs to have modern graphics allowing them to be capable of setting foot in the HD universe now.
You forgot everyone’s favorite game Table Tennis
also i think midnight club and la noire are in the same universe based off that they have licensed cars and have la
The fact that gta advance takes place in the 3d universe despite it being a 2d game suggests that graphics really don't dictate in which universe these games fall under.
Another thing to note are the geographical differences, while gta has always taken place on island cities. Red dead has always remained surrounded by lands like our own real world. So it seems unlikely they're in the same universe
Where does Table Tennis fit into the multiverse? I would assume the HD universe, right?
So is red dead revolver set in a separate universe since it released 3d n not hd?