Spread this knowledge far and wide as possible. Send to friends & family so they don't become victim to this 7th century Arab/Abbasid geopolitical ideology.
Pray for Indonesia from couple terrorist attack that have done suicide bomber. God still protects Catholic church and the churcgoers. The both terrorists died (husband & wife) become victim for their action. Terror will happen again and again because terrorist will hold Islamic state in Indonesia based idea from ISIS.
I'm less than a minute into the video and all I have to say is the Mongols never invaded Mecca so any Quran in Mecca wouldn't have been destroyed by them. Further more Mecca has never been conquered by any non muslim force and no muslim would destroy a Quran or so we are told. So where is it. Now back to the video.
@ Richard Contini Jr , also study Dan Gibson's work, Quar'anic Geography , and The Nabataeans: Builders of Petra ... accoring to the geography, Mecca , the Holy City was actually Petra in Jordan where all the earliest Mosques pointed to.
So who stole the black stone from the Kaaba ??? The Muslims had to buy it back !!! Non muslims stole the black stone from Mecca !!! Go and do your research !!!
They used to make us study this myth in schools, but they never mentioned the sources and did not tell us that there are older sources that did not mention such this matter .. Until now, if you asked anyone in the Near East countries about what the Mongols did in Baghdad, they would mention (the story of the turning of the Tigris to black, because Inks of books throued by the Mongols in it)
I have been following your videos very carefully and taking notes, which I plan to write up in a series of short articles with a view to summarizing as much of it as possible in book form. I appreciate very much the written summary you provide with the video presentation. Please keep including these short written summaries. They are very useful. In my articles I do a lot of personal research but I am always careful to give credit where it is due. Thank you for all your fine research.
It's the age old problem of starting a tale with a lie. As time goes by you have to keep lying to perpetuate the tale, eventually the lies make no sense when closely examined.
Mongols did not have any interest of going to Baghdad, it was Tusi who convinced Hologu to go and kill to the caliph, caliph was weaker than standing up to mongols, the sacking of Baghdad happened but not to that extend, more books were burned during Muslims internal conflicts and civil wars than by any outside enemies.
@@markmarino5053 this not in insulting contest it should be intellectual but because your education level is not up to the challenge your result to insult now let see what your god said about him self and forget ur egg theory ,that make no logical sense John 8:40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
A better question is that if there were millions of copies, who wrote them and over what period? Where there armies of scribes, like the Irish monks prior to the Viking incursions? Where did the materials for millions of books come from? There were only 400,000 books at the biggest library at Maragheh.
Nice Mr Jay, you will bring many muslim convert to Jesus, after they know what happen in that quran. Reality is open and will prove what read and write over there are false everywere. God bless you Mr Jay.
what really hapenned is the opposite just in the usa 2019 25,000 christian converted to islam and in 2021 it could be double or thriple in europe it maybe more, then good luck with your jesus
@Forgiving Fragrance what cabul you to prove again about cult of islam man, no one can be show, because no one same what your book says. Follow CP, and if you brave man debate him, refute him presentations abdul. And if you brave one and much knowledge regarding this video, please debate Mr Jay Smith, its very welcome to you.
Thank you Dr Jay smith. You are very much correct. Tigris is a large river with so much water. No amount of books could fill it not to imagine a bridge . They are liar from the beginning till end. Magnify events completely. You have done well to expose them.
I suppose it could be argued that once Baghdad became the main capital and biggest city, many of the older manuscripts were gathered there therefore got lost to the Mongols. However, that completely ignores the "golden age" before the Mongols that was characterised by a huge movement of copying and spreading manuscripts and books. It would be completely ridiculous to assume that literally every single original AND copy of the originals got lost in Baghdad. What about all the books and manuscripts from even before that era that we still have in the other major cities of Syria and Egypt? Somehow those survive but any trace to original quraanic manuscripts were lost?
(facepalm) Never hear this from Asian Muslim. Genghis Khan, than his son Ögedei, conquer northern China. Which was completed by Kublai. There is no records of the Mongols destroying indigenous culture. The historical realities are that the Mongols will adopt the conquered lands culture, like Kublai or it's religion, like Timur in India. Indian and Chinese pre invasion culture, traditions and text did survived.
Spain was invaded by Muslim Arabs and African Berbers in 711 and stayed there for over 700 years: are you saying those Muslims invaded Spain but didn’t take any Koran’s with them? Comparing those Korans with current Korans would be very interesting.
No, we're talking about the earliest manuscripts from the 8th - 10th centuries, which would have not made their way to Spain as it was so far away, in the diaspora of Islam. Furthermore, can you show me any references of the Inquisition destroying early manuscripts of the Qur'an?
@@pfanderfilms Well they had significant Mosques there. I’ve been to the Cathedral of Córdoba which at one point was an enormous Mosque and was built quite early (with a south facing qibla) and I’ve also been to the Alhambra. Would they have built and worshipped at those mosques for centuries without any Korans? To say nothing of Morocco? The Islamic state of Granada existed until 1492. It surrendered to Isabel & Ferdinand on January 2, 1492. The initial agreement offered Muslims protection to worship in their religion. Eventually some violation to the treaty occurred 6 or 8 years later that gave the Spanish a pretext for the inquisition. (Perhaps the 1st time since Mohammed that the shoe was truly on the other foot). I’ve read very little that suggests that the Islam that was practiced in Spain was significantly different than the rest of Islam. However, I think its an interesting question to be pursued. We are told that, almost immediately after the Ummayyads set up a new caliphate in Spain it almost instantly spawned something of a golden age there. Maybe it was because they weren’t following the same version of Islam there. I hope historians start digging in Spain to learn more there.
@@kaneinkansas Very thoughtful. I would point to the Indo-Timurids as also achieving a level of science and understanding most today look at me like an alien for grasping. When literacy and numeracy are fully bit mapped in the brain, Nature speaks to you differently. This is usually relegated to the realm of the Mystics, but within Islam, at certain pints and places, it seems to have informed itself to another level. Mathematically, under language. Matthew Melvin-Khoushki is doing good work in this area. More of a cultural scientific analysis than anything religious or polemical. Al Khwarizmi and Al Kindi did teach Europe math in a manner of speaking. Our entire foundation for mathematical reasoning has been updating at a pure mathematician level with culture, and Arabic-Muslim NUMERACY is the thing to study. Because of computing geodesics for mosque location and orientation at distance. General Relativity is really Allah versus Einstein, like calculus is Leibniz versus Newton. WHO did it first? Who is asking and who is telling?
@mysotiras3 The answer to hollow sounding corners of a narrative is to look again and knock it from a different angle. I am not at all combative to Jay's work. But it needs all of our non-partisan help. Polemics are not helpful at this late date.
@@pfanderfilms Here is the fundamental methodological difference that need not be a sticking point at all. You are focused on the historical narrative that matches the supporting textual and archeological evidence. This line of inquiry is more a questioning of PRACTICES parallel with the faith and their cultural impact. For me, it will be in the dating and tracing who and when Islam was actively brought to Spain. Again, we HAVE a narrative; checking it with no fear is the task. I would look to overlay this with Sephardic Jewish accounts as possible polemics to decipher. My meta narrative take: The path to Europe through Northern Africa by sea is an old one, and pre-dated Islam in human migration. It was once given as a second pathway for the Roma to have entered Europe via Egypt, but this has been discounted. Much work to be done.
The oldest graphical depictions of Mongols show them wearing boots not sandals. The winter temperature in Mongolia varies between -10 Celcius and -20 celcius, if they wore sandals they would lose their toes to frostbites. The story of Mongols turning book covers in to sandals is likely false, if they wanted Sandals they could just loot them from someone they killed that had the same foot size.
Me: Is your GOD Almighty & Powerful? Xristian: Yes Me: Who Killed your GOD Xristian: Humans. They killed him like a Dog under the Bus Me: Humans have more power than your GOD ..Hahaha
@@swissapologetics Yeah I understand you are cornered. You guys are complaining God is not able to protect Quran, but the same time you agree GOD is not able to his SON. What a hypocrite ..
Genghis Khan must be stronger than allah! But it will be easier for allah next time. he just had to learn, the strengths and weaknesses of Genghis Khan.
What about the council of Nicaea? A claim I hear from Muslims all the time is the doctrine of the trinity wasn’t introduced until then around 325 AD. And they took these from Paul’s letters not the Old Testament or New Testament
In time of invasion or other hardships valuables are hidden. Qurans would have been safely hidden. Especially as there were many copies, not just one. So this explanation is untrue.
Indeed there were by 13th century only one Data center in Baghdad and when the Mongols destroyed it. All the Qurans were drowned in the river like the Egyptians did with the Qurans in 1924 when they drowned them in the Nile I thought Qurans are protected as they recite them without a written book
Me: Is your GOD Almighty & Powerful? Xristian: Yes Me: Who Killed your GOD Xristian: Humans. They killed him like a Dog under the Bus Me: Humans have more power than your GOD ..Hahaha
@@trinityispaganism989 Your lack of correct documented and verified meaning and use of the word Paganism exemplifies the total miss use of a language. I will repeat if I see you post again. You can not even get idioms correct.
@@mardukh5136 see right here on TH-cam.. Part 1 and part 2.. 400 famous Muslim converted to CHRISTIANITY... Google Islam the fastest dying religion.. Google... 350 million Muslims secretly converted to Christianity.. Google or see right here on TH-cam.. secret underground churches in Muslim countries.. CHRISTIANITY is NOT the church's is the PEOPLE.. Google,one famous Muslim imma said if it wasn't for Muslim Sharia law Islam long gone. This wicked system might not even survive in 2050. Especially Islam..
@@jsilvanus240 i am not going lie and speculat like you do,read the legioner ministry study done in 2020 in the usa 52%of american and 30%of evangelical believe that your jesus is a good theacher but not god but it will get worst in 2050 this years a lone we puchase more than 700 chuches all over the world and convert them to mosques
@@mardukh5136 Islam is all about lying,slaying and hating. What give you the impression I'm LYING?? I told you to Google or See on TH-cam.. the internet and website is there.. Stop writing trash and use your BRAIN if you have one.. The BIBLE said a great multitude shall fall away from the TRUTH.. CHRISTIANITY is the people,NOT the buildings..
1. Islam stands on the words of one person Jebreel who got no witness whatsoever! Whereas Bible decreed for minimum TWO witnesses. Same is the case of human court system too. 2. Jebreel spoke directly against :- 1.God of Bible, 2. the Messiah Yeshuah, 3. angel Gabriel, 4. Jewish prophets like Abraham, Issac, Jacob (Israel), Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and so on. Also Jebreel spoke against the disciples of Messiah Yeshuah. 3. Means, Jebreel stand all alone on one side and right from God Almighty, Messiah Yeshuah onward on other side. Still Muslim brethren feel they must give total importance to the words of Jebreel alone and discard the words right from God Almighty onward! 4. Islamic prophet received revelations from Allah and he recorded it then and there on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves, with the help of Sahabis always available with him. Means, that was the original Quran. The Reference Quran! Obviously Allah promised to protect and preserve that Quran for ever! Now, the question is: Where is that Original Reference Quran recorded on on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves, as on today? 5. Why did Caliph Abu Baker ordered the compilation of Quran, which was not commanded by Allah or prophet when Allah himself promised to protect his Quran? Means, Abu Baker had no faith in Allah's words? And he compiled a Quran with the help of Zyed Ibn Tabit. Obviously an unauthorized Quran! However even this unauthorized Quran was not complete! One ayath was missing in it for so many years! No one could identify or realize the grave mistake! Finally Zyed Ibn Tabit while revising the Abu Baker Quran, on orders of Caliph Uthman, remembered about the grave mistake and added the ayath in the Revised Uthman's Quran! Caliph Uthman ordered the destruction of all other Quran materials!!! 6. Even the Revised Uthman's Quran had its own problems. Two solid Surahs were missing in it and also one ayath on stoning of adulterous women and verse of suckling the breast by adult men! 7. Abdullah ibn Masʽood was one of the four most prominent Quran teachers appointed by Islamic prophet. He totally disapproved the Revised Uthman's Quran too! Then, what credibility Revised Uthman's Quran got ? 8. Now Muslims use around 30 different ARABIC QURANS! See the links below please. a. Display of 26 versions of Arabic Quran @ Hyde Park , London th-cam.com/video/EsgphL9lGcc/w-d-xo.html b. Why are there over 30 different Arabic Qur’ans? - Quranic Corrections Ep. 3 th-cam.com/video/EpsnXMZ5lEE/w-d-xo.html 9. Here is a solid example for totally different Arabic Quran ayaths. FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS sihraani ... two works of magic ... 28:48 FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH saahiraani ... two magicians ... 28:48 Obviously "two works of magic" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS cannot be exactly equal to "two magicians" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH. Both cannot be true! When that is the ground reality, many Muslim brethren still hold on to the belief that "Allah sent the Final Testament, the Qur'an, and unlike the previous books, has never been changed." Who exactly was Jebreel? Did Bible spoke about Jebreel? Yes! Bible foretold about Jebreel! See the verses below. 1 John 2: 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us-eternal life.
John 3: 35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Jesus forewarned about false prophets! See some of the fruits produced by the words of Jebreel below! Same thing happening for last 1400 years! Matthew 7: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? See some of the fruits produced by the words of Jebreel below! Same thing happening for last 1400 years! They obeyed the words of Jebreel in Quran and the Mediterenain sea filled with blood! www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/isis-egypt-christians-beheading-video
It slowly went into disuse, and its manuscripts were sent to other cities, most notably Istanbul and Cairo, so that today there are no manuscripts of note left
Another myth to bust is that the Mongol invasion of Baghdad ended the "Islamic Golden Age" of science & philosophy. It certainly continued on in Andalusia Spain. It was Islamic orthodoxy of the likes of al-Ghazali that really killed it and it never recovered.
There was sacking in Nishapur as well as cities like Herat , Balkh , and Bukhara the , In Bukhara the city was burnt to the ground after its garrison held out in the citadel , it's library of 450,000 books burned along with it though it quickly Recovered under mongol rule , the same with Nishapur were tokuchar the son in law of Genghis Khan was killed a vengeful daughter of Genghis lead the sacking of the city and killed every man , woman and child in it along with any thing that moved. In urgench If the sources are to be believed each mongol in the army of 50,000 was assigned to kill a staggering 24 urgench citizens and sold woman and children to slavery while the city was submerged in floodwaters as the Mongols broke the damn surrounding the marsh in which the city was situated
عزيزي د.J.. ... آمل من باحث عن الحقيقية مثلك أن يقضي دقائق من وقتك ... للإطلاع على موضوعي عن مكة الحقيقية بصور من الأقمار الصناعية لها و لدوائر الطواف من حولها ... لا أستطيع وضع الرابط هنا لأنه سيحذف و لكن أبحث عن الشبكة الليبرالية الحرة - المنتدى العام ..و ستجد الموضوع بالأدلة المادية التي لا تقبل الجدال و لا التشكيك ... و كل الشكر لك على هذه القناة الرائعة.
dear jay you have already taught us these things about quran Quran was first uttered by mohmed and was written in many artifacts like bones leaves tree barks etc in piecemeals. This must be the first quran. this must be in 7 dialects which mean 7 qurans - if the muslim treditions are to be believed. So there was 7 qurans IN THE BEGINNING. This situation lasts upto the lifetime of mohmed. After the death of .mohmed Abubaker order Zaid ibn tabit to collect the fragments of quran to write one quran and this quran was handed over to hafsa w/o mohmed for safe custody. It remain with her in exile for 20 years. This is SECOND QURAN After Uthman comes to power he seeks for the second quran in the custody of hafsa for referance and bids the same zaid ibn tabit along with three others to collect again the qurans and to re-write the quran for the third time in one quereshi dialect and destroys all other copies of qurans available on that time. THIS IS THIRD QURAN.. ALL THESE QURANS ARE LOST AND NO COPY OF ANY OF THESE ARE AVAILABLE. The fourth and subsequent qurans are the ones that are availble today DEAR JAY , IS MY UNDERSTANDING ON THE QURANS ,CORRECT ? So I think - whenever we refer to uthmanic quran we have to call it as " uthmanic 3 rd quran "
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@@Joorawon.M.Yousuf Yes I have. Have you? Or have you only listened to some Imam who made it up. Provide your source and ‘enlighten’ me, is it a Sahih hadith? A Tafseer? Is it in the Hedaya? In Reliance of the Traveller? If I’m wrong I’d love your proof. More likely it’s the usual Islamic fable.
@@karenthompson1337 sure, but before I tell you what I know, I would love to hear what you have read about " how Abou Bakar (r.a) put together the al-Qur'an"❗from his time till the third caliph Uthman (r.a) compiled it into one book❓
Hey jay, I love ur channel I’m a chr and I just hoped if you could address the 1500 alleged Bible in turkey and the gospel of barbabasand that stuff, pls
One place where relevant information could be found could be the various libraries of Timbuktu although many of their books were burned by Moors in the 16th century who were in the service of the Morrocan Sultan, and again in 2012. The videos I've seen about the library describe books as early as the 16th century nothing yet about the 7th century however only a fraction of the total existing books have been digitized. They collected manuscripts so they might have had traded for some really ancient ones. Another possible source would be Buddhist, Tibetan and Aramaic texts from the 7th century of Afghanistan which history says was invaded in 642. The people being invaded as well as the invaders may have documented much about what was happening then. Afghanistan is said to have texts from that time period. If so many books were thrown in the river as to render its water black, there should still be traces of ink in the mud to this day. A drill taking a core sample of the mud would reveal if there is a black layer of ink or paper pulp in the mud layer. If there is not, it would mean that the story is not true. In the city of Boston over 100 years ago, there was a Molasses explosion, workers to this day who work repairing sewer conduits in the area still report that it smells of molasses.
Mongers not withstanding, wouldn’t Allah be strong enough to protect those Korans from the Mongels? I mean who is more powerful and who promised to protect those Korans?
@Jor Tra Clearly true, but I’m interested in how Muslims respond to this point because they said that Allah has said that he would protect the Koran,m but if the Korans were thrown in the river than clearly they did not.
the ilkanate center in Iran ,founded by Genghiz Khan grandson,Hulagu Khan ,also,overtime became Islam through much the same process as the golden horde..ilkhanate ruler...Gazan, was the first Muslim Khan in 1295 A.D to adopt Islam..as the national religion of khanate followed by Uzbek of the golden horde in 1313A.D.. the chagatai khanate was the last of the 3 non Chinese khanates to accept Islam... when the western part of the khanate embrace Islam quickly. eastern part of moghulistan slowed islamization until tughlugh Timur Khan accepted Islamic faith with thousand of subject made the official religion of the khanate in 1360A.D. by the year 1360 A.D..three of the major of khanates of the Mongol empire had became Muslims...
Hum.... because of the current knowledge that there were several hundred variations of the Quran from readers and their students/transmitters; each having their own versions of the Quran, (some with multiple variants) is it being said that there were Millions over Qurans????? Now, we are down to one Quran, maybe, in most places touted by most, don't even know what the variant are between those others (including the 7 Hafs publications). Oooooh my.
Armies need to keep moving because the run out of food and fuel , so if you can use a book on your cooking fire why would you go through all the work of hauling books to the river ? What is the return on all that invested time?
7:02 you said that aramaic was the official language in the Levant, can you please provide your source. Dr Petra Sijpstejn, who speaks arabic,greek and aramaic, gave a great lecture in which she suggested that greek was the official language in both Egypt and the Levant, she studied official diwan documents in order to see how arabic became the official language in the 1st 3 centuries of the Islamic calendar. Plus if anything I would use the word Syriac and not aramaic since the latter usually means an earlier version of the same language
Yes, you are correct that Greek would have been the language of commerce from the 1st century onwards, but this was overtaken in Arabia Petrea by Nabataean Aramaic, which would have been popular by the 6th century, so that by the 7th century in places like Damascus and Iraq Arabic would not have been well known, even if at all. Arabic didn't become the official language of that whole area until well into the 8th century, due to Islam pushing it.
It's really amusing hearing all of this from a guy that believes in the inerrancy of the Bible, which is one of the most historically illiterate books ever written.
The physical evidence of the tampering of the koran by humans are now in the hands of 21st researchers and historians. Muslims either open the door to confront the Facts, or shut the door, bolt it, run to their safe spaces, and pretend it doesn't exist.
This historical evidence further undermines an inerrant Quran and its man-made religion which was made up to validate conquest and excuse rape and pillage.
@Forgiving Fragrance Stop being ignorant. Its all thoroughly detailed in this channel. Why do you choose to dismiss properly sourced, reputable research when it does not conform to your beliefs?
@Forgiving Fragrance In other words you haven't bothered watching the video yet you come here asking questions already addressed. I guess you missed the names of the scholars Dr Jay states through the video.
if indeed the Mongols destroyed all earlier scholarship, how can anyone know either the extent or the worth of that schlolarship? Whether Bagdad scholarship was deep and meaningful, or shallow and cartoonish is impossible to tell if it has been destroyed. Likewise whether it was copious or sparse. I fear that your 1906 author was attributing excellence to people of the past in order to promote his own view of excellence- not reporting truth.
We, Muslims know that! None of us claimed that... FYI, the Mongols destoyed the Library of Baghdad. Thats tens of years after the revelation of the Quran and thousands of copies exist at that time theoughout the Muslim world. They, reportedly, destroy the Library of Baghdad... You CAN differentiate between a Library and a manuscript right??
The Spanish Inquisition was more interested in destroying Bibles than Qur'ans. As the Muslims want to keep power in the hands of the Arabians and therefore refuse to acknowledge the Qur'an in other languages, the Roman Catholic Inquisition and the wanted to keep the Bible, and therefore authority, in the hands of those who knew Latin. So apart from books like those of Luther, zwingli etc and Bibles in the ordinary languages of European people. It was real evangelical Christians and a few exJews whose conversion they doubted that they were most bothered about persecuting.
mongols didnt really care about books, manuscripts and religions. they had their belief (its not considered as religion because there is no specific figure considered as god). their belief were connected to the repecting the nature that surounds you, respecying the world itself and its forces and one and only eternal blue sky above everything (which people often confuse that tengri is skygod or smt) and still exist in mongolia even today. so after raiding and conquering the north china they have sent his diplomats, traders and emissaries twice with trade offer but the khawarezm shah and his men killed and sent some of them back to khan which was a sinful action against a peaceful action. the killin of diplomatic messenger and envoys were unforgivable insult to mongol law so genghis have done the full campaign against khawarezm . Genghis's rules included that to not hurt peacefully surrendered cities and settlements and its people but for those who resist or rebel nothing more than a death. he wanted it to be lesson for many other presumptuous kings and rulers who were thinking too much as god themselves. but sadly, many other empires and nations made the same mistake and ignored mongol offers. the main point is that mongols didnt really care about in what u belief or what you pray for. mostly they cared about taxes and financial conditions wiothin the empire and as long as u pay your tax they ddint really care about others as long as it not acts against mongols. for almost a century under the mongol rule from golden horde in russia till chinese southern borders no one felt that safe during the travel or whatever because the during mongol control were the safest and most flourishing era in whole euro-asia which is called "pax mongolica". but those who hate and blame mongols for being only a savage killers, barbarians etc are only the descendants of those who fought against mongols and got destroyed, or those with some cry baby excuses.
if we take into consideration that the Umayyads conquered Hispania between 711 & 718 a.D., there should be Umayyad texts there debunking what you and Al Fadi call the Abbasid Islamic texts.
bomb explosion in front of a church in Makassar, Indonesia...2 hours ago.
Pray for Indonesia🙏
They said it was a suicide bomb
*Religion of Piss... blows the kiss of peace again* !!!! 🙄🙄
Spread this knowledge far and wide as possible. Send to friends & family so they don't become victim to this 7th century Arab/Abbasid geopolitical ideology.
Pray for Indonesia from couple terrorist attack that have done suicide bomber. God still protects Catholic church and the churcgoers.
The both terrorists died (husband & wife) become victim for their action.
Terror will happen again and again because terrorist will hold Islamic state in Indonesia based idea from ISIS.
Attacks on towns in northern Mozambique. Many people displaced and killed in resent attacks. Not a religion of peace
I'm less than a minute into the video and all I have to say is the Mongols never invaded Mecca so any Quran in Mecca wouldn't have been destroyed by them. Further more Mecca has never been conquered by any non muslim force and no muslim would destroy a Quran or so we are told. So where is it. Now back to the video.
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@ Richard Contini Jr , also study Dan Gibson's work, Quar'anic Geography , and The Nabataeans: Builders of Petra ... accoring to the geography, Mecca , the Holy City was actually Petra in Jordan where all the earliest Mosques pointed to.
@@josephdettelis5397 you're preaching to the choir
googling 'mongol invasion of petra' comes up with 639,000 results - missing Petra
So who stole the black stone from the Kaaba ??? The Muslims had to buy it back !!! Non muslims stole the black stone from Mecca !!! Go and do your research !!!
1000's of books? Really? Centuries before the printing press? Taqiyya.
Typical "Goat ate my homework" excuse :D
I literally lol on reading this one! haha
Thank You Dr J Smith for your research that is an eye opener for me and many muslims
They used to make us study this myth in schools, but they never mentioned the sources and did not tell us that there are older sources that did not mention such this matter ..
Until now, if you asked anyone in the Near East countries about what the Mongols did in Baghdad, they would mention (the story of the turning of the Tigris to black, because Inks of books throued by the Mongols in it)
I have been following your videos very carefully and taking notes, which I plan to write up in a series of short articles with a view to summarizing as much of it as possible in book form. I appreciate very much the written summary you provide with the video presentation. Please keep including these short written summaries. They are very useful. In my articles I do a lot of personal research but I am always careful to give credit where it is due. Thank you for all your fine research.
Thanks Barnett, let me know when you do write them up
@@pfanderfilms God bless you brother Jay, Nigerians in Africa is still waiting for you sir.
Millions and millions...centuries before the printing press? LOL
Very good point
ANOTHER Quranic Miracle???
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It's the age old problem of starting a tale with a lie. As time goes by you have to keep lying to perpetuate the tale, eventually the lies make no sense when closely examined.
Mongols did not have any interest of going to Baghdad, it was Tusi who convinced Hologu to go and kill to the caliph, caliph was weaker than standing up to mongols, the sacking of Baghdad happened but not to that extend, more books were burned during Muslims internal conflicts and civil wars than by any outside enemies.
shia alweys have deal...
Very enlightening. God bless you.
Thank you Dr. Jay for putting up these informative videos
Thank you Dr Jay, well presented information.
Ancient conquerors were not interested in poor,backwater areas. Mecca and Medina were not worthy of Golden Horde visit...or they never heard of them.
🌴🌴HAPPY PLAM SUNDAY🌴🌴 🙏 EVERYONE🙏
And 2u2. ❤️💯📖
PALM Sunday?
3:57 “No one can destroy Allah’s words” - except the Mongols.
no one can kill the almighty god jesus except the roman army
@@mardukh5136 - not God , just the flesh , dummy
- Al Lah can't die
- Why ? 🤔 ? 🤨 ?
- He doesn't exist
@@markmarino5053 this not in insulting contest it should be intellectual but because your education level is not up to the challenge your result to insult now let see what your god said about him self and forget ur egg theory ,that make no logical sense
John 8:40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
@@mardukh5136 - btw your nonexistent "allah" INSULTS me all the time. Is that ok ?? Ha !!!!
If moghals had destroyed millions of their manuscripts ,then what muslims are reciting in their quranssssss ??? 😆
A better question is that if there were millions of copies, who wrote them and over what period? Where there armies of scribes, like the Irish monks prior to the Viking incursions? Where did the materials for millions of books come from? There were only 400,000 books at the biggest library at Maragheh.
It's true they supplied the Quran all over the world using Sulaimans carpet 🤣
Nice Mr Jay, you will bring many muslim convert to Jesus, after they know what happen in that quran. Reality is open and will prove what read and write over there are false everywere. God bless you Mr Jay.
@Forgiving Fragrance you can prove your assumption, what you say Dr Smith lies here?,
what really hapenned is the opposite just in the usa 2019 25,000 christian converted to islam and in 2021 it could be double or thriple in europe it maybe more, then good luck with your jesus
@Forgiving Fragrance what cabul you to prove again about cult of islam man, no one can be show, because no one same what your book says. Follow CP, and if you brave man debate him, refute him presentations abdul. And if you brave one and much knowledge regarding this video, please debate Mr Jay Smith, its very welcome to you.
Fax!!! Historically destroyed
Thank you Dr Jay smith. You are very much correct. Tigris is a large river with so much water. No amount of books could fill it not to imagine a bridge . They are liar from the beginning till end. Magnify events completely. You have done well to expose them.
Salutations Mr Smith! If by any chance you come to Mussoorie, i will come there to meet you. God bless
They get more and more desperate.
No one says desperated, its desperate
@@onionnyamous5453 Okay, thanks.
Islam= never forgets to taqiyya...allah allows it 🤩
i believe taqqiya existed long before islam it s in your bible and all you have to do just say please and i will show it to you inside your bible
@@mardukh5136
There's no ikhma in Abdulism.
Centuries after Genghis, it was Kirk who screamed, “Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!”
@DrJAY Please invite Dr. Bill Warner from "Political Islam" for a discussion! He said, that you and Mel are "spot on" with your Petra-Iraq-theory.
Can you explain please what do you mean by 'spot on'. Thank you
"spot on" is a phrase, meaning right on the center of the proverbial target.
@@salamfouad249 spot on as in correct!!!
You are so needed. Everyone needs to know this.
I suppose it could be argued that once Baghdad became the main capital and biggest city, many of the older manuscripts were gathered there therefore got lost to the Mongols. However, that completely ignores the "golden age" before the Mongols that was characterised by a huge movement of copying and spreading manuscripts and books. It would be completely ridiculous to assume that literally every single original AND copy of the originals got lost in Baghdad. What about all the books and manuscripts from even before that era that we still have in the other major cities of Syria and Egypt? Somehow those survive but any trace to original quraanic manuscripts were lost?
Watch the video, I respond to this in detail
(facepalm) Never hear this from Asian Muslim. Genghis Khan, than his son Ögedei, conquer northern China. Which was completed by Kublai. There is no records of the Mongols destroying indigenous culture. The historical realities are that the Mongols will adopt the conquered lands culture, like Kublai or it's religion, like Timur in India. Indian and Chinese pre invasion culture, traditions and text did survived.
then you do not know who burned takshshila university, and its library which held all the preserved text of my country🙂
It looks like many rivers are full of Koran copies! Definitely amazing!
Thanks again brother!
Who dose all this beautiful openings music for you dr smith? 😇
Love your very educational videos. 🌹
Music: Adding the Sun, by Kevin Macleod - from filmmusic-io. I always say where the music came from in the description box above
Spain was invaded by Muslim Arabs and African Berbers in 711 and stayed there for over 700 years: are you saying those Muslims invaded Spain but didn’t take any Koran’s with them? Comparing those Korans with current Korans would be very interesting.
No, we're talking about the earliest manuscripts from the 8th - 10th centuries, which would have not made their way to Spain as it was so far away, in the diaspora of Islam. Furthermore, can you show me any references of the Inquisition destroying early manuscripts of the Qur'an?
@@pfanderfilms Well they had significant Mosques there. I’ve been to the Cathedral of Córdoba which at one point was an enormous Mosque and was built quite early (with a south facing qibla) and I’ve also been to the Alhambra. Would they have built and worshipped at those mosques for centuries without any Korans? To say nothing of Morocco? The Islamic state of Granada existed until 1492. It surrendered to Isabel & Ferdinand on January 2, 1492. The initial agreement offered Muslims protection to worship in their religion. Eventually some violation to the treaty occurred 6 or 8 years later that gave the Spanish a pretext for the inquisition. (Perhaps the 1st time since Mohammed that the shoe was truly on the other foot). I’ve read very little that suggests that the Islam that was practiced in Spain was significantly different than the rest of Islam. However, I think its an interesting question to be pursued.
We are told that, almost immediately after the Ummayyads set up a new caliphate in Spain it almost instantly spawned something of a golden age there. Maybe it was because they weren’t following the same version of Islam there. I hope historians start digging in Spain to learn more there.
@@kaneinkansas Very thoughtful. I would point to the Indo-Timurids as also achieving a level of science and understanding most today look at me like an alien for grasping. When literacy and numeracy are fully bit mapped in the brain, Nature speaks to you differently. This is usually relegated to the realm of the Mystics, but within Islam, at certain pints and places, it seems to have informed itself to another level. Mathematically, under language. Matthew Melvin-Khoushki is doing good work in this area. More of a cultural scientific analysis than anything religious or polemical. Al Khwarizmi and Al Kindi did teach Europe math in a manner of speaking. Our entire foundation for mathematical reasoning has been updating at a pure mathematician level with culture, and Arabic-Muslim NUMERACY is the thing to study. Because of computing geodesics for mosque location and orientation at distance. General Relativity is really Allah versus Einstein, like calculus is Leibniz versus Newton. WHO did it first? Who is asking and who is telling?
@mysotiras3 The answer to hollow sounding corners of a narrative is to look again and knock it from a different angle. I am not at all combative to Jay's work. But it needs all of our non-partisan help. Polemics are not helpful at this late date.
@@pfanderfilms Here is the fundamental methodological difference that need not be a sticking point at all. You are focused on the historical narrative that matches the supporting textual and archeological evidence. This line of inquiry is more a questioning of PRACTICES parallel with the faith and their cultural impact. For me, it will be in the dating and tracing who and when Islam was actively brought to Spain. Again, we HAVE a narrative; checking it with no fear is the task. I would look to overlay this with Sephardic Jewish accounts as possible polemics to decipher. My meta narrative take: The path to Europe through Northern Africa by sea is an old one, and pre-dated Islam in human migration. It was once given as a second pathway for the Roma to have entered Europe via Egypt, but this has been discounted. Much work to be done.
The oldest graphical depictions of Mongols show them wearing boots not sandals. The winter temperature in Mongolia varies between -10 Celcius and -20 celcius, if they wore sandals they would lose their toes to frostbites. The story of Mongols turning book covers in to sandals is likely false, if they wanted Sandals they could just loot them from someone they killed that had the same foot size.
Awesome research!
Allah - I will protect the scripture.
Mongol - Destroyed the scripture.
🤔 Who is the almighty then?
Khaaaaaaaaaaan !
@@Billy_Mandalay Khans and Sultans today's Azers in Azerbaijan and Turkic in Turkeys All Mongols ancestors.
Me: Is your GOD Almighty & Powerful?
Xristian: Yes
Me: Who Killed your GOD
Xristian: Humans. They killed him like a Dog under the Bus
Me: Humans have more power than your GOD ..Hahaha
@@trinityispaganism989
Thats not what we believe and the Bible teaches...
If you have to made up such stuff, then obiously you have no real arguments
@@swissapologetics Yeah I understand you are cornered. You guys are complaining God is not able to protect Quran, but the same time you agree GOD is not able to his SON. What a hypocrite ..
Excellent video
The Bible is equally fake just like Quran.
@@caniceedward1821 your intelligence is fake
Genghis Khan must be stronger than allah!
But it will be easier for allah next time. he just had to learn, the strengths and weaknesses of Genghis Khan.
Excellent video and information.
What about the council of Nicaea?
A claim I hear from Muslims all the time is the doctrine of the trinity wasn’t introduced until then around 325 AD. And they took these from Paul’s letters not the Old Testament or New Testament
Thanks Dr Jay for the gold nugget of information....Hu tu tu where are the earlier manuscripts.
In time of invasion or other hardships valuables are hidden. Qurans would have been safely hidden. Especially as there were many copies, not just one. So this explanation is untrue.
SOOO..WHO IS STILL.DESTROYING BOOKS
..BUDAS...ANYTHING THEY CANT SELL ANYWAY..LIKE ARTIFACTS ...ISLAM..
Indeed there were by 13th century only one Data center in Baghdad and when the Mongols destroyed it. All the Qurans were drowned in the river like the Egyptians did with the Qurans in 1924 when they drowned them in the Nile
I thought Qurans are protected as they recite them without a written book
You evidently didn't watch the video above
@@pfanderfilms
I am being sarcastic Dr Smith
Me: Is your GOD Almighty & Powerful?
Xristian: Yes
Me: Who Killed your GOD
Xristian: Humans. They killed him like a Dog under the Bus
Me: Humans have more power than your GOD ..Hahaha
@@trinityispaganism989 but wait Jesus were resurected.
@@trinityispaganism989 Your lack of correct documented and verified meaning and use of the word Paganism exemplifies the total miss use of a language. I will repeat if I see you post again. You can not even get idioms correct.
Jay Smith you are a living legend.
a Living Liar...and a deceiver using the C5 Evil missionaries learn.
@@aaabrams1889 allah is the best of deceivers yet you trust him with your eternity??? lol that's the most stupid thing ever
Hi Jay, oral words of the 7th century cant be found because they died with them.. Peace.
Without LIES Islam DIES.in Islam you either FOOLED or a FOOL.
christianity is under life support just check the statistic for 2050 then you will stop lying to your self
@@mardukh5136 see right here on TH-cam..
Part 1 and part 2.. 400 famous Muslim converted to CHRISTIANITY...
Google Islam the fastest dying religion..
Google... 350 million Muslims secretly converted to Christianity..
Google or see right here on TH-cam.. secret underground churches in Muslim countries..
CHRISTIANITY is NOT the church's is the PEOPLE..
Google,one famous Muslim imma said if it wasn't for Muslim Sharia law Islam long gone.
This wicked system might not even survive in 2050. Especially Islam..
@@jsilvanus240 i am not going lie and speculat like you do,read the legioner ministry study done in 2020 in the usa 52%of american and 30%of evangelical believe that your jesus is a good theacher but not god but it will get worst in 2050
this years a lone we puchase more than 700 chuches all over the world and convert them to mosques
@@mardukh5136 Islam is all about lying,slaying and hating.
What give you the impression I'm LYING??
I told you to Google or See on TH-cam.. the internet and website is there..
Stop writing trash and use your BRAIN if you have one..
The BIBLE said a great multitude shall fall away from the TRUTH..
CHRISTIANITY is the people,NOT the buildings..
@@jsilvanus240 google is not an academic way of study i did give a real study done by your ministry ,but in europe is getting worst
The Qur'an should have survived both the Spanish and the Mongols in Egypt and Libya.
1. Islam stands on the words of one person Jebreel who got no witness whatsoever! Whereas Bible decreed for minimum TWO witnesses. Same is the case of human court system too.
2. Jebreel spoke directly against :- 1.God of Bible, 2. the Messiah Yeshuah, 3. angel Gabriel, 4. Jewish prophets like Abraham, Issac, Jacob (Israel), Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and so on. Also Jebreel spoke against the disciples of Messiah Yeshuah.
3. Means, Jebreel stand all alone on one side and right from God Almighty, Messiah Yeshuah onward on other side. Still Muslim brethren feel they must give total importance to the words of Jebreel alone and discard the words right from God Almighty onward!
4. Islamic prophet received revelations from Allah and he recorded it then and there on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves, with the help of Sahabis always available with him. Means, that was the original Quran. The Reference Quran!
Obviously Allah promised to protect and preserve that Quran for ever!
Now, the question is: Where is that Original Reference Quran recorded on on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves, as on today?
5. Why did Caliph Abu Baker ordered the compilation of Quran, which was not commanded by Allah or prophet when Allah himself promised to protect his Quran? Means, Abu Baker had no faith in Allah's words? And he compiled a Quran with the help of Zyed Ibn Tabit. Obviously an unauthorized Quran! However even this unauthorized Quran was not complete! One ayath was missing in it for so many years! No one could identify or realize the grave mistake! Finally Zyed Ibn Tabit while revising the Abu Baker Quran, on orders of Caliph Uthman, remembered about the grave mistake and added the ayath in the Revised Uthman's Quran!
Caliph Uthman ordered the destruction of all other Quran materials!!!
6. Even the Revised Uthman's Quran had its own problems. Two solid Surahs were missing in it and also one ayath on stoning of adulterous women and verse of suckling the breast by adult men!
7. Abdullah ibn Masʽood was one of the four most prominent Quran teachers appointed by Islamic prophet. He totally disapproved the Revised Uthman's Quran too! Then, what credibility Revised Uthman's Quran got ?
8. Now Muslims use around 30 different ARABIC QURANS! See the links below please.
a. Display of 26 versions of Arabic Quran @ Hyde Park , London
th-cam.com/video/EsgphL9lGcc/w-d-xo.html
b. Why are there over 30 different Arabic Qur’ans? - Quranic Corrections Ep. 3
th-cam.com/video/EpsnXMZ5lEE/w-d-xo.html
9. Here is a solid example for totally different Arabic Quran ayaths.
FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS
sihraani
... two works of magic ... 28:48
FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH
saahiraani
... two magicians ... 28:48
Obviously "two works of magic" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS cannot be exactly equal to "two magicians" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH. Both cannot be true!
When that is the ground reality, many Muslim brethren still hold on to the belief that "Allah sent the Final Testament, the Qur'an, and unlike the previous books, has never been changed."
Who exactly was Jebreel? Did Bible spoke about Jebreel?
Yes! Bible foretold about Jebreel! See the verses below.
1 John 2: 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us-eternal life.
John 3: 35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Jesus forewarned about false prophets!
See some of the fruits produced by the words of Jebreel below! Same thing happening for last 1400 years!
Matthew 7: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
See some of the fruits produced by the words of Jebreel below! Same thing happening for last 1400 years!
They obeyed the words of Jebreel in Quran and the Mediterenain sea filled with blood!
www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/isis-egypt-christians-beheading-video
Happy Easter Dr. Jay!
🛐🎯💚🤔👍 so that time. You expose very well. Carry on blessings and protection in Christ Jesus name
So what happened to this repository in Marragheh? Is it still there, or did it get destroyed later by others?8
Probably sacked and looted over the centuries.
It slowly went into disuse, and its manuscripts were sent to other cities, most notably Istanbul and Cairo, so that today there are no manuscripts of note left
@@pfanderfilms But at least we can trace what actually happened, unlike the claims of others.
Cobbled together out of an inchoate jumble.
Another myth to bust is that the Mongol invasion of Baghdad ended the "Islamic Golden Age" of science & philosophy. It certainly continued on in Andalusia Spain. It was Islamic orthodoxy of the likes of al-Ghazali that really killed it and it never recovered.
“Don”t throw Black Stones when you live in a black cube house”
There was sacking in Nishapur as well as cities like Herat , Balkh , and Bukhara the , In Bukhara the city was burnt to the ground after its garrison held out in the citadel , it's library of 450,000 books burned along with it though it quickly Recovered under mongol rule , the same with Nishapur were tokuchar the son in law of Genghis Khan was killed a vengeful daughter of Genghis lead the sacking of the city and killed every man , woman and child in it along with any thing that moved. In urgench If the sources are to be believed each mongol in the army of 50,000 was assigned to kill a staggering 24 urgench citizens and sold woman and children to slavery while the city was submerged in floodwaters as the Mongols broke the damn surrounding the marsh in which the city was situated
Dr Jay Smith, Will you do a response to the.. Dr Altikulac Book!.. God bless.
عزيزي د.J.. ... آمل من باحث عن الحقيقية مثلك أن يقضي دقائق من وقتك ... للإطلاع على موضوعي عن مكة الحقيقية بصور من الأقمار الصناعية لها و لدوائر الطواف من حولها ... لا أستطيع وضع الرابط هنا لأنه سيحذف و لكن أبحث عن الشبكة الليبرالية الحرة - المنتدى العام ..و ستجد الموضوع بالأدلة المادية التي لا تقبل الجدال و لا التشكيك ... و كل الشكر لك على هذه القناة الرائعة.
dear jay
you have already taught us these things about quran
Quran was first uttered by mohmed and was written in many artifacts like bones leaves tree barks etc in piecemeals. This must be the first quran. this must be in 7 dialects which mean 7 qurans - if the muslim treditions are to be believed. So there was 7 qurans IN THE BEGINNING.
This situation lasts upto the lifetime of mohmed.
After the death of .mohmed Abubaker order Zaid ibn tabit to collect the fragments of quran to write one quran and this quran was handed over to hafsa w/o mohmed for safe custody. It remain with her in exile for 20 years. This is SECOND QURAN
After Uthman comes to power he seeks for the second quran in the custody of hafsa for referance and bids the same zaid ibn tabit along with three others to collect again the qurans and to re-write the quran for the third time in one quereshi dialect and destroys all other copies of qurans available on that time.
THIS IS THIRD QURAN..
ALL THESE QURANS ARE LOST AND NO COPY OF ANY OF THESE ARE AVAILABLE.
The fourth and subsequent qurans are the ones that are availble today
DEAR JAY , IS MY UNDERSTANDING ON THE QURANS ,CORRECT ?
So I think - whenever we refer to uthmanic quran we have to call it as " uthmanic 3 rd quran "
WoW.... your level of understanding is just out of this WORLD❗❗⁉️❗🧐🧐🤔🤔 So, are you saying if a manager dictates a letter to his secretary and the secretary makes a quick rough draft, then it's considered as the first copy and that, this very first copy with all the scribblings, is THE LETTER that should be sent to the other party❗❗⁉️❗🧐🧐🤔🤔🤔 IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT❓❓⁉️❗❓
@@Joorawon.M.Yousuf where in your traditions does it say that Abu Bakrs copy was a ‘rough first draft’? Nowhere, that’s where.
@@karenthompson1337 have you really looked into it yourself❓❓🤔🤔🧐 nah,.... I doubt it❗❗⁉️
@@Joorawon.M.Yousuf Yes I have. Have you? Or have you only listened to some Imam who made it up. Provide your source and ‘enlighten’ me, is it a Sahih hadith? A Tafseer? Is it in the Hedaya? In Reliance of the Traveller? If I’m wrong I’d love your proof. More likely it’s the usual Islamic fable.
@@karenthompson1337 sure, but before I tell you what I know, I would love to hear what you have read about " how Abou Bakar (r.a) put together the al-Qur'an"❗from his time till the third caliph Uthman (r.a) compiled it into one book❓
Hey jay, I love ur channel I’m a chr and I just hoped if you could address the 1500 alleged Bible in turkey and the gospel of barbabasand that stuff, pls
One place where relevant information could be found could be the various libraries of Timbuktu although many of their books were burned by Moors in the 16th century who were in the service of the Morrocan Sultan, and again in 2012. The videos I've seen about the library describe books as early as the 16th century nothing yet about the 7th century however only a fraction of the total existing books have been digitized. They collected manuscripts so they might have had traded for some really ancient ones.
Another possible source would be Buddhist, Tibetan and Aramaic texts from the 7th century of Afghanistan which history says was invaded in 642. The people being invaded as well as the invaders may have documented much about what was happening then. Afghanistan is said to have texts from that time period.
If so many books were thrown in the river as to render its water black, there should still be traces of ink in the mud to this day. A drill taking a core sample of the mud would reveal if there is a black layer of ink or paper pulp in the mud layer. If there is not, it would mean that the story is not true. In the city of Boston over 100 years ago, there was a Molasses explosion, workers to this day who work repairing sewer conduits in the area still report that it smells of molasses.
Mongers not withstanding, wouldn’t Allah be strong enough to protect those Korans from the Mongels? I mean who is more powerful and who promised to protect those Korans?
@Jor Tra Clearly true, but I’m interested in how Muslims respond to this point because they said that Allah has said that he would protect the Koran,m but if the Korans were thrown in the river than clearly they did not.
@@kaneinkansas dan Brubaker is destroying the Quran as we speak. He has already found 4000+ variants. 🤣🤣
Yes i m thanking u
What about the Saracen conquest of the hispanic peninsula?
the ilkanate center in Iran ,founded by Genghiz Khan grandson,Hulagu Khan ,also,overtime became Islam through much the same process
as the golden horde..ilkhanate ruler...Gazan, was the first Muslim Khan
in 1295 A.D to adopt Islam..as the national religion of khanate followed by Uzbek of the golden horde in 1313A.D..
the chagatai khanate was the last of the 3 non Chinese
khanates to accept Islam...
when the western part of the khanate embrace Islam quickly.
eastern part of moghulistan slowed islamization until tughlugh
Timur Khan accepted Islamic faith with thousand of subject
made the official religion of the khanate in 1360A.D.
by the year 1360 A.D..three of the major of khanates
of the Mongol empire had became Muslims...
Hum.... because of the current knowledge that there were several hundred variations of the Quran from readers and their students/transmitters; each having their own versions of the Quran, (some with multiple variants) is it being said that there were Millions over Qurans????? Now, we are down to one Quran, maybe, in most places touted by most, don't even know what the variant are between those others (including the 7 Hafs publications). Oooooh my.
Jesus Christ bless Jay Smith, alongwith his family.
Love from Indonesian Christian...
God bless you 💐💐
At least Allah preserved 63 koran fragments !!
What an achievement!!!
It's a Palm Sunday
Maybe it was Tamerlane? Oh wait...he was a muslim.
"they destroyed 10's of 1000's of qurans" Which quarn did they destroy? Hafs?
Armies need to keep moving because the run out of food and fuel , so if you can use a book on your cooking fire why would you go through all the work of hauling books to the river ? What is the return on all that invested time?
7:02 you said that aramaic was the official language in the Levant, can you please provide your source. Dr Petra Sijpstejn, who speaks arabic,greek and aramaic, gave a great lecture in which she suggested that greek was the official language in both Egypt and the Levant, she studied official diwan documents in order to see how arabic became the official language in the 1st 3 centuries of the Islamic calendar. Plus if anything I would use the word Syriac and not aramaic since the latter usually means an earlier version of the same language
Yes, you are correct that Greek would have been the language of commerce from the 1st century onwards, but this was overtaken in Arabia Petrea by Nabataean Aramaic, which would have been popular by the 6th century, so that by the 7th century in places like Damascus and Iraq Arabic would not have been well known, even if at all. Arabic didn't become the official language of that whole area until well into the 8th century, due to Islam pushing it.
@@pfanderfilms🔥🔥🔥🤷🏿♀️
It's really amusing hearing all of this from a guy that believes in the inerrancy of the Bible, which is one of the most historically illiterate books ever written.
We have not heard the last of the origine of the quran. Very soon Muslims will run out lies of to tell.
The physical evidence
of the tampering
of the koran by humans
are now in the hands of 21st researchers and historians.
Muslims either open the door to confront the Facts,
or shut the door, bolt it,
run to their safe spaces,
and pretend it doesn't exist.
Remember..all about the politic islam.islam have 2 face...
If Islam has two faces, why do they wear this one? 🤣
U r a great man , how we Muslim can thank u, about this kind of research.
I just want to say that u did a great job/work, from the deep of my heart
This is a great knowledge
This historical evidence further undermines an inerrant Quran and its man-made religion which was made up to validate conquest and excuse rape and pillage.
@Forgiving Fragrance
Stop being ignorant. Its all thoroughly detailed in this channel. Why do you choose to dismiss properly sourced, reputable research when it does not conform to your beliefs?
@Forgiving Fragrance
In other words you haven't bothered watching the video yet you come here asking questions already addressed.
I guess you missed the names of the scholars Dr Jay states through the video.
Millions of Qurans, without printing press! Wow.....
Pretty tall for the burners of Nalanda to be complaining...
why didnt the nile turned black of the ink from the qurans tossed in there??? ;-)
But Allah said he would guard the Qurans!!
Fact not Fiction
Whatever people do or say
or believes
All will Be knew then
When they or we Die
If on the right or wrong direction
Nice.
if indeed the Mongols destroyed all earlier scholarship, how can anyone know either the extent or the worth of that schlolarship?
Whether Bagdad scholarship was deep and meaningful, or shallow and cartoonish is impossible to tell if it has been destroyed.
Likewise whether it was copious or sparse.
I fear that your 1906 author was attributing excellence to people of the past in order to promote his own view of excellence- not reporting truth.
...so swiftly consumed with fire...
We, Muslims know that!
None of us claimed that...
FYI, the Mongols destoyed the Library of Baghdad.
Thats tens of years after the revelation of the Quran and thousands of copies exist at that time theoughout the Muslim world.
They, reportedly, destroy the Library of Baghdad...
You CAN differentiate between a Library and a manuscript right??
Thanks bro,
Great job!!
Either way Allah failed to preserve the Koran from the Mongols.
Jenghis khan could not be stopped by Allah??? 🙄
Maybe taimur did it when he sacked Baghdad a couple of centuries later
if Genghis Khan hears this he will convert to Muslim, masallah take beerrr!!!!
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...ok, ok teacher Jay. I just remembered. A big gorilla jumped out of the bushes and ate those korans ...or maybe it was a sheep!
Godzilla got in the act and breathed fire on those korans...
The Spanish Inquisition was more interested in destroying Bibles than Qur'ans. As the Muslims want to keep power in the hands of the Arabians and therefore refuse to acknowledge the Qur'an in other languages, the Roman Catholic Inquisition and the wanted to keep the Bible, and therefore authority, in the hands of those who knew Latin. So apart from books like those of Luther, zwingli etc and Bibles in the ordinary languages of European people. It was real evangelical Christians and a few exJews whose conversion they doubted that they were most bothered about persecuting.
Okay so now Mzlms admit allah allowed his book to be destroyed - again?!?!?
"mongorrian ? wha the hiau mongorrian doing here ?"...
I thought Allah was guarding the Quran, how were they destroyed? Liars once again.
Quran is originated in Macca, for your information.
Thank sir
Even none of them can show which version of Koran is original from allah.
All about myths
pity on muslims souls..
mongols didnt really care about books, manuscripts and religions. they had their belief (its not considered as religion because there is no specific figure considered as god). their belief were connected to the repecting the nature that surounds you, respecying the world itself and its forces and one and only eternal blue sky above everything (which people often confuse that tengri is skygod or smt) and still exist in mongolia even today.
so after raiding and conquering the north china they have sent his diplomats, traders and emissaries twice with trade offer but the khawarezm shah and his men killed and sent some of them back to khan which was a sinful action against a peaceful action. the killin of diplomatic messenger and envoys were unforgivable insult to mongol law so genghis have done the full campaign against khawarezm . Genghis's rules included that to not hurt peacefully surrendered cities and settlements and its people but for those who resist or rebel nothing more than a death. he wanted it to be lesson for many other presumptuous kings and rulers who were thinking too much as god themselves. but sadly, many other empires and nations made the same mistake and ignored mongol offers.
the main point is that mongols didnt really care about in what u belief or what you pray for. mostly they cared about taxes and financial conditions wiothin the empire and as long as u pay your tax they ddint really care about others as long as it not acts against mongols. for almost a century under the mongol rule from golden horde in russia till chinese southern borders no one felt that safe during the travel or whatever because the during mongol control were the safest and most flourishing era in whole euro-asia which is called "pax mongolica". but those who hate and blame mongols for being only a savage killers, barbarians etc are only the descendants of those who fought against mongols and got destroyed, or those with some cry baby excuses.
Muslims listen and learn
if we take into consideration that the Umayyads conquered Hispania between 711 & 718 a.D., there should be Umayyad texts there debunking what you and Al Fadi call the Abbasid Islamic texts.