I feel like interacting with people after realizing the absolute is kind of tricky. Sometimes it will be very obvious to me what someone else wants (or at least what their `person` wants), and, you know, I want to make them feel happy... but I feel hesitant to give what they want because it feels wrong to reinforce their identity structure. To circumvent these things I have been trying to aim for lighter interactions where no extra expectations are created so that both me and the other party can move on with their day without doing any additional selfing. Figuring out how to interact with people who are suffering is also tricky 🥲 I can see that they are suffering because of some story that they are latching on, and while it feels very tempting to point that very directly to them, if done carelessly it basically just comes off as me invalidating their feelings. Reaffirming their story to make them feel good in the moment also doesn't really feel right, so I often don't really know what to do. Another thing which I also haven't really figured out is like, what is a good thinking to not thinking ratio. I used to be an omega overthinker, and after realizing the absolute there has been this proclivity to shift in the opposite direction of not thinking or worrying about anything at all, which is like awesome, but I guess there's this still this part of me left that wants to think and theorize about things. Well, to be honest, these are future concerns. I still have a lot of identity left that I want to work through beforehand. Theorizing about social interactions is kind of a waste time when you still have some people pleasing/validation seeking behavior, and a sense of righteousness lurking in the background which I can tell distorts my perception when interacting with others. Actually, one amusing thing I have noticed, is that I can see my mind reifying the absolute and using it as a lens in order for me try to make sense of the relative world. Which of course, is kind of backwards, because the moment you reify the absolute it stops being the absolute. It's interesting how the mind can try to transform the lack of an orientation into an orientation. Honestly, this awakening stuff is really odd. I've finished writing this comment, and as I reread it before posting it, it just feels like a bunch of words that don't mean anything. This sense that even though there are words, they don't refer to anything. Actually, I used to journal a lot but I stopped doing it because I realized that my mind would come up with random problems that didn't make any sense, and then I would believe them and have them torment me.
i feel grateful to hear you say that this continual clearing of seeing is natural. it’s been feeling a bit of push and pull on a very very subtle level regarding looking, like it was feeling like seeking and then like frustration would ensue. but the ability to relax and not go to memory “ kicks in” and outshines the judgement. ❤
I can relate to most of the things you are saying. What happens with me very often, I let life happen "through me" in the form of "my selfing" around "others" in "the world" without resistance. It just happens in a miraculous way, and it's entertaining ^^
Yes .. I believe it's not going to happen without the "selfing" anyway, right? I mean, the relative "self" is there no matter what, yes? It doesn't disappear, it's rather seen through.. and naturally known as extending (somewhere in the 'back rooms' of the experience) into infinite and beyond one's own seemingly limited "personal will".. right?
@georgesonm1774 I don't know. Maybe Angelo can tell us. 😁 But my reasoning is "How can Selfing disappear?" It just stops being appropriated by constructed individuality. No?
With my teaching habit of analogies: every number can be divided into every other number but not zero. If zero represents the absolute and one the relative I find it interesting that on off switches have zero with a one in it the relative in the absolute. Draft I know.
I notice that l-theanine helps me "get it," see "it," etc. effortlessly/spontaneously. I think the physical body must relax (subtle tension creating the felt sense of a separate self), and the mind must relax (maybe DMN activation). After that, it's self-evident and obvious that there's one "everything," the person is an appearance in that "everything," and there's nothing perceiving that everything.
L_theanine, The food supplement? I guess being healthy and brain health in general can't Hurt . My.mjnds a lot crisper and less cloudy when I sleep well and take care of myself. I'm much less likely to get on thought trains.
Do you mean it is easier to experience it in terms of clearer sense of no boundaries? Experiencing thoughts as perceived rather than "spoken" by "you"? Mind being less eager to compulsively come up with labels to name separate "things" in the field of vision etc ? Better groundedness in the senses?
I am really having trouble with seeing whether or not I had a glimpse or an awakening. It’s driving me a bit mad because I don’t know how to practice anymore. Should I just stay with Mu or Who Am I even if I saw with zero doubt for a few minutes that there’s nobody there??? Idk what practice to engage with and everything I do feels like too much pressure If anyone has pointers I would really appreciate
This is absolutely brilliant, relatively speaking.
You’re absolutely right. Relatively speaking.
@EnlightenedSchmuck 😂❤
@@orphan_slayer9072 Your reply is relatively original, absolutely speaking.
“Everything, is Nothing, appearing as Something.” 😮There is no one here, to know, there is no one here. LOL. 😝 🎉
I feel like interacting with people after realizing the absolute is kind of tricky. Sometimes it will be very obvious to me what someone else wants (or at least what their `person` wants), and, you know, I want to make them feel happy... but I feel hesitant to give what they want because it feels wrong to reinforce their identity structure. To circumvent these things I have been trying to aim for lighter interactions where no extra expectations are created so that both me and the other party can move on with their day without doing any additional selfing.
Figuring out how to interact with people who are suffering is also tricky 🥲
I can see that they are suffering because of some story that they are latching on, and while it feels very tempting to point that very directly to them, if done carelessly it basically just comes off as me invalidating their feelings. Reaffirming their story to make them feel good in the moment also doesn't really feel right, so I often don't really know what to do.
Another thing which I also haven't really figured out is like, what is a good thinking to not thinking ratio. I used to be an omega overthinker, and after realizing the absolute there has been this proclivity to shift in the opposite direction of not thinking or worrying about anything at all, which is like awesome, but I guess there's this still this part of me left that wants to think and theorize about things.
Well, to be honest, these are future concerns. I still have a lot of identity left that I want to work through beforehand. Theorizing about social interactions is kind of a waste time when you still have some people pleasing/validation seeking behavior, and a sense of righteousness lurking in the background which I can tell distorts my perception when interacting with others.
Actually, one amusing thing I have noticed, is that I can see my mind reifying the absolute and using it as a lens in order for me try to make sense of the relative world. Which of course, is kind of backwards, because the moment you reify the absolute it stops being the absolute. It's interesting how the mind can try to transform the lack of an orientation into an orientation.
Honestly, this awakening stuff is really odd. I've finished writing this comment, and as I reread it before posting it, it just feels like a bunch of words that don't mean anything. This sense that even though there are words, they don't refer to anything. Actually, I used to journal a lot but I stopped doing it because I realized that my mind would come up with random problems that didn't make any sense, and then I would believe them and have them torment me.
Interesting, thank you!
i feel grateful to hear you say that this continual clearing of seeing is natural. it’s been feeling a bit of push and pull on a very very subtle level regarding looking, like it was feeling like seeking and then like frustration would ensue. but the ability to relax and not go to memory “ kicks in” and outshines the judgement. ❤
I can relate to most of the things you are saying. What happens with me very often, I let life happen "through me" in the form of "my selfing" around "others" in "the world" without resistance. It just happens in a miraculous way, and it's entertaining ^^
Yes .. I believe it's not going to happen without the "selfing" anyway, right? I mean, the relative "self" is there no matter what, yes? It doesn't disappear, it's rather seen through.. and naturally known as extending (somewhere in the 'back rooms' of the experience) into infinite and beyond one's own seemingly limited "personal will".. right?
@georgesonm1774 I don't know. Maybe Angelo can tell us. 😁
But my reasoning is "How can Selfing disappear?" It just stops being appropriated by constructed individuality. No?
What I want to understand is that if we are all one, then who exactly is “them” who control and do all the evil?
the Absolute is suffering - which is why you are here . to help
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I feel this video found me exactly where I’m at and was made just for me.
Nice
wow
With my teaching habit of analogies: every number can be divided into every other number but not zero. If zero represents the absolute and one the relative I find it interesting that on off switches have zero with a one in it the relative in the absolute. Draft I know.
I want this awakening but to be honest I am not putting it before everything else. I dont know why.
I notice that l-theanine helps me "get it," see "it," etc. effortlessly/spontaneously. I think the physical body must relax (subtle tension creating the felt sense of a separate self), and the mind must relax (maybe DMN activation). After that, it's self-evident and obvious that there's one "everything," the person is an appearance in that "everything," and there's nothing perceiving that everything.
L_theanine, The food supplement? I guess being healthy and brain health in general can't Hurt . My.mjnds a lot crisper and less cloudy when I sleep well and take care of myself. I'm much less likely to get on thought trains.
Also, adaptogenic herbs ftw :)
Do you mean it is easier to experience it in terms of clearer sense of no boundaries? Experiencing thoughts as perceived rather than "spoken" by "you"? Mind being less eager to compulsively come up with labels to name separate "things" in the field of vision etc ? Better groundedness in the senses?
I am really having trouble with seeing whether or not I had a glimpse or an awakening. It’s driving me a bit mad because I don’t know how to practice anymore. Should I just stay with Mu or Who Am I even if I saw with zero doubt for a few minutes that there’s nobody there??? Idk what practice to engage with and everything I do feels like too much pressure
If anyone has pointers I would really appreciate
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