DSEI 2019 Naval Coverage Day 3: Type 31e, Babcock, Thales, SEA, GDMS, Nexter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ธ.ค. 2024
- Day 3 at DSEI 2019, the defense exhibition held in London, UK.
Our day 3 naval news coverage at the show includes:
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0:24 - Type 31e frigate with Babcock: The Arrowhead 140 design won the frigate competition
3:10 - Thales TACTICOS combat management system for Type 31e
5:09 - SEA new trainable decoy launcher
6:58 - General Dynamics Mission Systems new Bluefin 12 UUV
9:28 - Nexter Thales Rapidfire 40mm naval gun system with 40CTAS (cased telescoped armament system) cannon
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Well done Babcock. This is exactly the kind of ship we need in our Navy. Cheap enough not to cost the earth, but versatile enough to fit many of the needs we'll need for peace time operations. Not a lot of firepower for set piece warfare, but more than capable for most operations.
Strange to think that one of these only costs 2.7x as much as the new F-35Bs...
Danish design
@@denmark39 The Danes have a history of designing good, cost effective ships. The Danish Arrowhead however is a missile frigate this is a general purpose frigate.
@@BritishFreedom still the whole design of the ship itself is based on Ivar huitfeld class.. weapons, radar etc may be different
@@denmark39 The hull is taken from the Danish design and some of monitoring technologies. We need cost effective general purpose frigates to patrol our offshore territories. Between the Type 45, our Aircraft Carriers and our Attack subs we have a pretty good and capable fleet, they just need number to add to it and to do the other roles.
Fantastic news. I always thought that in terms of sheer size alone Arrowhead had way more to offer than Leander - almost twice the size in fact and in terms of both survivability and future upgrade potential an absolute must. One reservation however, I would like to see the 4.5 Mk 8 retained up front , but the introduction of 40mm with 3P ammo is IMHO an excellent move.
I love these ship designs. Thanks for the awesome video. Cheers 👍
If we got 8 of these, that would be a great way of having well protected ships that can fulfil anti piracy, low key special forces insertion platforms and general fleet beefing.
Whilst leaving the 8 Type 26 and 6 Type 45 to bloat out two smaller carrier fleets or one big one with both carriers.
Beautiful Danish design
ship Danish a not is It
The arrowhead 140 is based on the Danish Iver Huitfeldt class
A bit disappointed the Leander design didn't win; purely as I thought it was the best looking. On the other hand, if the Germans add VLS to their original 125 design; and you've got essentially the same ship with credible area-defence. The French FDI I also find beautiful. But not if they choose a more conventional bow; I love how it looks like an old dreadnought.
Design from the Iver Huitfeld class.
And that';s new and novel how...?
Amazing how ships, aircraft, weapons and other systems have changed since I've left the Navy.
kempmt1+ And people since I left.
@@henryvagincourt have you've noticed the new uniforms?
When did you leave?
Ah. I had been wondering where "day 3" was.
Great looking ship!
3:05 I wanna see a broadside
Why hasn’t it been possible before do you know?
@@denmark39 I think just because the RN hasn't had so many larger guns on a ship in a while. That said, 40mm guns aren't exactly large in calibre. Don't really know if we should say the RN can fire a broadside, WW2/WW1 pom pom and bofor AA mounts were 40mm guns.
So is that new Thales 40mm mean to replace traditional high rate of fire CIWS?
Yes, but first customer is likely to be the French Navy who typically don't use CIWS. Plus that new 40mm is likely to be more effective (compared to phalanx) against surface targets too
@@NavalNews but what surface targets do modern navies have to engage?
Patrol boats/coast guard type units if deployed to regional patrol. Pirate skiffs etc. if on anti-piracy patrol.
General warning shots at light boats.
Small missile boats would be well out of range, plus anything with a 3" gun or more.
There are few situations that I can think of that require a 40mm class of round. A burst from a gattling gun would likely do more to scare off most threats. Possibly if you wanted to sink rather than disable something in the order of a fishing trawler, but at that point you're still going to need a fair few rounds, which a burst from a 30mm goalkeeper system would do just as well.
Thales tacticos should be the cms of Jose Rizal class frigate if only Hyundai Heavy Industry did not Lobby their NEW developed CMS. POOR Philippine Navy.
Not an expert and they don't show too much of it, but that Merlin Helicopter (?) will have to be extremely, very very careful landing on that helideck? It only looks like it fits in stowed/folded position. But like I said, I'm no expert, just looks it?
Jimkalski actually the danish navy uses Merlin helicopters too and I can say that It can easily fit inside the hangar without being folded and the helideck is pretty large compared to other frigates.
The RDN and RDAF operated a Merlin on HDMS Niels Juel F363 while working with the Charles De Gaule
Ohh yes yes
In the near future My country Philippines will procure the tacticos Thales for the 2nd hand ships and the large heavy arm Opv frigates of it
While NATO will improve the ships design for tacticos thales
It was supposed to be used in Jose rizal class frigate but HHI change it to the unproven Hanwha systems Naval Sheild CMS
😂
And same with the torpedoes but we really need faster torpedoes
It's by far the fastest in the western world . Not fast enough for you .?
Good explorer secure
See thales tactuxos is way proven and better than korean made cms
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No criticism of Babcock who assembled two great carriers but too much naval building is taking place in Scotland to keep the SNP appeased. Which is a self defeating game.
BAE Glasgow are locked into Type 26 for a decade, Cammell Laird have been ignored and basically Scotland wins all yet again. What we all now know through this decision is that the FSS will be built in Spain as its too big for Merseyside. England, Wales and NI get nothing. Yes I know technically H & W are in the Babcock consortium but they are in Administration as are Ferguson Marine the other (Scottish) consortium member.
The UK Government have chosen a consortium mostly based in Scotland with two members in Administration. Babcock should have got the FSS and follow up ships and Cammell Laird the Type 31.
Bloody politics!
1chish Then you find out that everything else is not built in scotland.
The UK has a fairly big defence industry spread throughout the UK.
Such as.
All Subs barrow in furness
Euro Fighter Warton
No UK made parts for F35 are made in Scotland. All BAE factories in that deal are in England.
Non of the Radar or weapons are built in Scotland.
So you sure it is just to appease the SNP
Or do you think that maybe just maybe the UK defence industry is a tiny bit bigger than some ships.
and perhaps employs a few more than all the yard workers in Scotland combined?
@@gaz-3711 Well if you want a wider discussion on how Scotland benefits from the UK Defence spending I am happy to show you how 8% of the UK population gets a far bigger slice of UK Defence spending than that %. Of course we can extend the discussion and also discuss how every Scot gets 16% MORE public spending than anyone in England under Barnett. Or how rUK (ie England) funds the £12.6 Bn (2018 GERS figures) deficit generated by the SNP Governed 8%. To put that in context the whole UK had a deficit of £23 Bn in 2018. So that 8% of the population created 54% of the UK annual deficit. For balance: The deficits in NI and Wales were some £20 Bn combined
So lets just keep the discussion on shipbuilding OK?
Now what you failed to acknowledge was I said that Rosyth (in Scotland) should have been given the FSS and follow on ships contracts. For the simple reasons they have a dry dock capable of building them and it keeps the skills the carriers created and developed in place. Nowhere else outside Belfast does. So there was no antipathy to Scotland. What stinks about this decision is it closes off other options. With Rosyth getting the Frigates that Cammell Laird could build perfectly well but which cannot build ships the size of the FSS then the FSS will therefore be going abroad. The Government has created the worst possible outcome for UK shipbuilding but it allows them to fabricate a political 'justification' for having the FSS built in Spain as has been their intention all along. It is utter madness in the context of wider regeneration of the UK shipbuilding industry because by building FSS abroad the capable yards outside Scotland get nothing.
THAT was my point.
1chish Well ok you seem to think I am Scottish. No problem easy mistake not like we announce who we all are here.
However... No I am Canadian. That happy lot that told UK to sling its hook in 1982. I just happen to live in the UK and work in your NHS.
Anyway, as you mentioned GERS given the reluctance for economist outside of government pay to call it accurate and call to be completely rethought, as it is completely ridiculous to think that any government in the world could be that incompetent to allow 8% of its population to run up 54% of the nations debt.
Now lets look at the first GERS that was commissioned by John Major and the deserter that turned out to be.
GERS has always been a political tool to use as a case against Scottish devaluation and independence and anyone that fails to see that really needs to did into their modern studies a little more.
You would think that Westminster would be clambering to cut Scotland off if it was this huge debt machine that it is made out to be.
But thats politics I guess. We could talk About Barnett but to be honest with you I know and care very little about the subject other that it is geared to Scotlands favour due to their higher amounts of tax they rase and send to London.
Mind you London is a bit of a monster of its own.
Anyway yes lets talk ships. I love them having been a Navy doctor for most of my adult life. and thats what I want to talk about.
That dry dock that could be used to build the FFS. the issue is it is the only one in the UK that can accommodate the carriers. Meaning that if they have issues they can only be fitted out there. Hence why QZ went back in April for her planned maintenance to fix issues brought up during her first sea trials.
That dock has most likely been booked up for a few years. Rosyth has 3 drydocks so I would not expect the Type31e to be built in the same one as the carriers were.
Or did you honestly think that the dry dock would be free as soon as they ships are built because thats just not how that works.
If anything I would ask why has the Government not funded a second large dry dock. to develop a second yard to have a big dry dock say for Cammell Laird or A&P.
If anyone is actually to blame then no its not the SNP (who would never be appeased anyway, given how they are still screaming). It is however successive UK governments that have allowed the decline and decimation of the UK’s ship building skill and there ever moving march to strip out uk production in favour of banking.
Should we also discuss how Roysth was only the assembly location. That the blocks for those carries tied up ship building capacity in the UK to the point that the Tide class was then built in Korea now that was a stinking decision. a nation should build their own (not that Canada has for the most part)
@@gaz-3711 Last point first - Well you prove my basic point that the Government right there made a terrible decision. They just do not understand the difference between 'Total Price' (as in money lost abroad) and 'Nett Cost' (as in taxpayer money recycled back into the economy. Which is where my point was about FSS being built abroad. Something that is now a certainty given Rosyth will build Frigates.
As an add on to that yes blocks were built for the carriers in other yards and why that was a brilliant programme. It is the follow up that has fallen down (see above). But do not forget Portsmouth BAE was shut sacrificed on the altar of Scottish devolution right in the middle having built some of the key structures for QE.
As to your first point I didn't assume anything about you personally. I was addressing the issues as raised. Someone's nationality is irrelevant. But I would gently suggest Canada didn't tell us to sling our hook as there was no hook by 1982. Had you said 1867 when the British North America Act was passed or even the Balfour Declaration of 1926, I might have agreed. You share our Head of State and remain in the Commonwealth. of course.
As to GERS I will just quote the Guardian (hardly pro Tory) when it said in August:
"Derek Mackay, the Scottish finance secretary,confirmed that the GERS data, which covers all UK and Scottish government spending in Scotland and a share of pan-UK spending on areas such as defence, overseas aid and debt reduction, was an accurate assessment of the country’s fiscal position last year"
And this data showed:
"Scotland’s notional deficit stood at £12.6bn or 7% of GDP, including North Sea oil revenues, compared with the UK’s total £23.5bn deficit, which includes Scotland’s figure. The UK deficit is equivalent to 1.1% of its GDP."
Of course this is AFTER money from Barnett (we can disagree over your view of the 'higher amounts of tax they rase'.) So they not only get 16% more per person theu drop a massive deficit 7 times bigger (in %) than the whole UK INCLUDING that deficit.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on the rest Sir out of respect for your service in HMCN from an ex Crab
To be fair I believe the aircraft carriers the biggest project ever taken where/are being built in England
China and Russia are developing hypersonic weapons. Meanwhile, future British frigate can fire broadside. 🤦
Us is really really strpppen up there war game just need more faster rockets that fire at targets on radar of there own systems rockets that can fire wss with out anyone pushing a button all anyone will need to do is turn it on then the rockets will need lock on target systems and will go anywhere the threat will go up down left right or any direction the threat goes there is no escape
Oh yes broadside...broadside😊😊
Well two smallish guns is hardly a broadside. Nelson would not be impressed.
Puzzoozoo True, but he might be busy ducking as these few guns pepper the Victory with hundreds of 40mm armor piercing high explosive rounds from beyond his guns effective range. And what the heck, let’s throw in the main gun for yucks and chuckles
Thankful for small mercies🙏🏻
If only all the technology and money was being deployed to help people rather than to kill them.
This will save more peoples lives than any charitable donation.
Is more cheapest kill them...