5 Times Gundam was CONTROVERSIAL
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This Ain't The End Of Me by White Comic
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8-bitified version of Believe
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00:00 Intro
00:28 Darkscythe Heck
00:57 G Gundam Name Changes
02:45 Gundam Seed Kira X Flay
03:30 Iron Blooded Orphans too callous
05:07 Witch from Mercury’s Tomato Soup
07:54 Outro
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Taking suggestions for Deathscythe Hell's family friendly name
Darkscythe Dread?
Shadowscythe Fear?
Dreadscythe Ghoul?
Hurtstick Heck
Why not just go with the god of death, like its pilot lol
Deathscythe Darn
PleasureRod Coming 😏
"Character putting pants is offensive"
Sunrise : *add a sex scene
absolutely epic
It's funny to me that the problem Japanese audiences had with Iron Blooded Orphans was Mikazuki executing the two guys in the beginning, but they had no issue with the fact that one of the adult characters was betrothed to a 9 year old.
Murder is a big deal
Guess murder is a normal stuff day to day thing in your country, compared to bethrothed, anyone can think which one more heavy and seriously a big deal.
@@Zexceed04 Honestly, both instances weren't considered murders. The first kill was purely self defense/saving the lives of literally everyone else in Tekkadan. The second kill was assisted suicide.
@@rey-1337 I think he means when he executed the two former members of the GCS they were holding prisoner
@@Zexceed04 I’m sorry that murder is above pedophilia
The funny thing is that Witch from Mercury not only had many kid audiences but also have non-anime fan casual audiences due to its light-school theme at the early parts of the story. Plus many girl audiences watched it also because of its romance-theme & love stories involving many characters in the story.....only to be shocked by the Bloody-Gory ending, which is amazing & not offensive at all.
It also right after lycoris recoil too, so people really hype up for the new yuri shipping of the season
The second season is really reshaping the tones to a darker turn it seems
They were weak they should have gone with a slap. We need a sequel to that glorious bazooka headshot.
Meanwhile, in America: We need to replace the blood with confetti so that kids will think they'll get a surprise birthday party for killing people.
@@shikniwho7215 I mean lycrois is fucked up as well if we are being real here, having children indoctrinated and brainwashed to be assassins. yeah its cutesy and shit but it is always in your mind how fucked up it is lol
the SEED one is hilarious as in Sunrise went Giga-Chad mode, big brain moment there.
That resulted from a TV Producer asking Fukuda to give him all he's got in terms of how crazy the scenes could get.
and even then he said "give me more."
Sunrise was like "If we offend them so much it'll loop back around to not being offended".
Cross Ange took it to the next level: 3 days and 3 nights
Nahhhh
@@Joshua_N-A ah yes the other side of seed gundam also it actually good.
Yes, Gundam indeed thinks about the children....and how they can use them to pilot giant death bringing mecha.
The closest thing to a kids-friendly Gundam show are the Build Fighters where there's no threats or stakes, just people having fun building and playing with Gunpla come to life they control.
Gundam Build Divers Re:Rise : Am I a joke to you?
Yeah. Not gonna lie, I hate that direction for Gundam. But hey, I got the older, better (in my opinion) shows so I guess I can't really complain. Guess I just prefer the militaristic, violent, dramatic and (somewhat) political aspect of Gundam.
@@MLPIceberg so Gundam Build Divers Re:Rise is for you
@@sadewo1516 Why? it's just a team of build fighters watching some dog people get nuked
@@sebastianedwards4207 when they realize its not game anymore
Gundam has always been dark. It's just idiotic parents who perceive the franchise as a kiddy show. Also, I would love to see the original Gundam novels get adapted into a full-fledged film trilogy like Hathaway, as it also has plenty of 'controversial moments'; ranging from Sayla and Amuro having sex, to the pretty grim fate that Amuro met.
Don't forget the religious zealots who hates anything that has their precious religion.
Also don't forget that when it came out zeta shocked a lot of viewers of how dark the tone became and the amount of characters that bite the dust.
I think the reason idiotic parents think it is kiddy due to the franchises being marketed to teenagers instead of young adults with actual income to buy their merchandise and has less hang up with the mature theme.
@@NealCamerlengo the religious zealots stopped in the early 2010s and the pendulum swung to the other end.
Bandai/ Sunrise doesn't care if it's dark. This is business. It's a cash cow series franchise.
What's important to them is viewers numbers and increase the brand awareness to all age ranges including young children.
More fans, more products sold, more profit.
Honestly the Tomato Soup is more comical than brutal. That's literally Genocyber/Tarantino amount of blood. Not to mention Seed had way more brutal deaths. I remember you could even see a guy's ribcage and intestines when he popped due to the CYCLOPS' explosion.
Seed and Seed Destiny, imo are two of the grisliest Gundam series to date, Witch from Mercury has a very real opportunity to make them look like kids shows and I love it
I still remember the Ocean Dub version of the Cyclops System scene... the screaming made it so much worse. It was honestly horrifying.
The ZAFT Pilot is at first all, "What's going on out there in a casual tone", then he gets caught in the microwave field...
Honestly, it's terrifying how well that scene was acted out. The continuous screaming of everyone trying to run only to pop like gory bubbles...
SEED is nightmare fuel.
@@Scard4L1fe21 Witch from Mercury has an opportunity of making the it one of the darkest Gundam shows, depending on how they'll decide to go with explaining who (or what) Suletta really is AND how this reveal will shape the next episodes. I watched episode 0 after watching...I think episode 10 and it got me more hooked than all of those 10 episodes combined which were, honestly, horribly boring most of the time.
Let's not forget Kyscillia's death, nor that time a little kid was beheaded on screen.
Gratuitous shock value, nothing else. It feels more like a desperate attempt at garnering interest/hype than a cohesive vision.
Even 80’s gratuitous splatter anime were less awkward.
My boss saw my gunpla on my shelf at work and asked me about my hobby, where they where from enthusiastically, and decided on the spot he was going to get his kid into gunpla. Cool! Then he said: "I should get him to watch the show so he can pick his favorite designs" his kid ain't that old and while a huge scifi fan my boss won't let him watch the Expanse...Suddenly those scenes from Seed, IBO, and some colony drops came to mind and I felt the need to give him a polite warning it's a fairly adult show at times.(I was never sheltered from any of this at basically any age) But that almost ended hilariously...
You did a good thing there. xD
COuld’ve done the most hilarious thing… but I respect doing the responsible one.
My boss at work recently told me he had to ban his daughter from watching Attack on Titan lol.
@@vcom741
Well said about this, bro...😐
So then, in fact your boss at work had recently told you that *he's banned his daughter from watching (the entire seasons) or reading-up "Attack on Titan" anime & manga* right then 🤔😶?
@@rahadianaryo5979 I didn't ask about the manga lol.
Personally, that's how I skirted the ban around Game of Thrones around my house - I just read the book lol
@@vcom741
So then, that *you're just reading on the "A Song of Ice and Fire 🎵❄🔥" books* that HBO's "Game of Thrones" are based upon right then 🤔📖?
"Nooooooo, you can't just crush somebody into ketchup! Think of the children!"
"Haha 'mosquito' go squish"
Iron Blooded Orphens really sold itself as being almost grimdark in the way it approached a lot of its subjects. (I'll admit it was a bit _too_ try-hard sometimes, especially in the second season, but it never shied away from showing some of the worse aspects of war and criminality.)
I think the reason WfM is so shocking is because for 11 episodes you got a cheery, slice of life school drama. Sure, there were a lot of underlying darker conflicts brewing, and the prologue is nothing but direct on the level of violence people are willing to inflict, but for the most part things were pretty even balanced. The final episode took us directly out of the cheery times and showed us the true face of war and corruption; with Suletta's splat attack being the most direct of the episode.
Kinda cried when Guel killed his father. Just a little bit I was hoping that guy would get got but it kind of just made me sad that it Guel was the one who had to do it. Like come on, he’s been a jerk but he’s still just a kid and now he’s ruined.
If you would compare what actually happened in the middle east and some countries that experienced Civil Unrest, what shown on IBO, actually is still surprisingly pretty tame.
Did everyone just forget that Elan #4 got baked into a cake for his birthday?
wanna see bikini beam
or mama helmet soup from victory?
@@jaiell2049 it really is not WfM fault. The Gundam Franchise really just desensitized us with gore, for how much more fucked up things it already offered in the past. Children getting crushed inside a tank, kid getting crippled by a surgery, then commiting self "mincraft". Pilot getting cooked alive inside the cockpit ft. Chef Allelujah, seeing your crew getting Vaporized in front of you courtesy of Gundam Thunderbolt, getting turned into a Cybernetic Zombie Thral by a corrupted Mecha courtesy of G Gundam of all places. Etc. We got so many fucked up themes before, just recent, IBO even delve with se×ual abuse of children, pr0stitution, and legalized slavery. G-Reco even performed remote Lobotomy on its viewers with it's seemingly nonsensical story telling. 🤣
It is really not WfM fault. There is just so many things worse on the Gundam mythos, that we are just simply desensitized now.
3:20 I love that they went "OK you want to complain, we'll give you something to complain about." with that scene
And honestly with the Iron Blooded Orphans and Witch From Mercury ones, look this is Gundam its meant to kill the characters in painful ways, the creator doesn't have the nickname "Kill 'Em All Tomino" for nothing.
The funny thing that the 2 you said doesn't even come close to Victory in terms of death.
Mari Okada upholds Tomino's legacy for sure. She really did kill almost all of them.
And still to this day, Kira remains as the sole Gundam protagonist that engaged in the big nasty in animated format, and I'll always give him that as a W.
(IBO doesn't count as it was only said in passing)
He hit the wrong woman, though.
Yeah but did it happen in the gundam? I didn't think so.
Shiro did it too to ayna at the end of 08th MS team
@@Matanumi You mean Aina.
Aside from Shiro and Kira, there's Mika from IBO (he straight up asked his girlfriend). There might be more but I didn't watch all of Gundam ya know.
God, I remember the Gundam Seed controversy, because what i'd heard was that Kira got Flay pregnant, and people were shocked over a teen pregnancy on Gundam. It was hinted at that the storyline was dropped but not entirely because Flay complains about seasickness in one sub I had, even though the Archangel is flying above the ocean.
Personally, I think the developers shouldn't have dropped that idea because it would have also driven the story further in an interesting direction. After all, the Cosmic Era was lacking on characters who could have been born from a Natural and a Coordinator.
@@brandonscott4808 Coordinators+Natural supposedly was something that happened in the lore and background and we know for a fact it makes a Coordinator kid. That was sort of how they were supposed to reproduce, merging into the whole of humanity but since everyone in CE is even crazier and dumber than people IRL, both sides turned into nutty supremacists and isolationists.
Since Orb has Coordinators and Naturals living side by side its likely several Orb citizen are Coordinators born with a parent that was a Natural.
@Nix91 you know it would be interesting if the writing was handled differently in the show, the creators could've introduced their own version of Newtypes that were due to the result of mix breeding. For example:
Male Natural + Female Coordinator = Natural Newtype
Male Coordinator + Female Natural = Coordinator Newtype
@@brandonscott4808 Newtypes being genetic very much butchers the entire concept of Newtypes. The entire point is that anyone can be a newtype and that it's completely random and unpredictable, introducing eugenics into people having heightened empathy is a horrible idea I'm sorry lmao
Yeah I really thought that the seasick line was foreshadowing!
Honestly, I think the part that shocked me the most about that scene in Witch from Mercury had to be the gargantuan amount of blood coming from ONE human body, rivaling that of the single bandit being compacted by Ellie in Borderlands 2!
Or that poor British soldier that Mel Gibson hacked into mincemeat in that 'Patriot' movie. That scene stuck with me for years after I first saw it.
Why not one talk about Victory Gundam man those intro kinda like kids show but actual show was brutal aff
@@mrjdmtunerboy.1463 ah, not mentioning "bernie burger" from war in the pocket?
@@mrjdmtunerboy.1463Victory Gundam has a scene with bikini babes getting mauled by Uso as he infiltrates the Angel Halo, to include one getting vaporized by a beam saber.
@@DangerB0ne
*Just like one Daguza Mackle, back in the "Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn" OVA* right then...😵🗡🔥?
Its funny that on looking back, Seed probably had the most brutal deaths in any gundam series I can remember.
Nicol Amalfi getting bisected by the Anti-Ship Sword... Tolle Koenig getting beheaded and split in two by the Aegis' shield... the Cyclops System... the GENESIS... the Astray Girls getting overwhelmed... Flay getting turned into space dust by Rau Le Creuset... Rau getting impaled by the Freedom, then obliterated by the GENESIS... Mudie Holcroft and the Blu Duel getting mauled by Kerberos BUCUEs... Lord Djibril getting vaporized in twain by Rey Za Burrel...
SEED definitely has the most painful death sequences in the show.
Never forgor that one guy that took a shield to the cockpit. Brocheezy got disassembled 😭
@@lancecurry7538 it was some brutal shit 😭 he didn’t deserve that shit homie
victorys is more brutal dude
Ah, seed? Nope mate. Bernie burger anyone?
Things that struck me most.
Crank's death in ibo on rewatches as nobody remembers him except the soldier turned weapon and shows how mikazuki is just a weapon.
Colonel in 00 death I hate his son so much for how rash he is to be so narrow minded.
The 00 Gundam family party massacre. That was extremely brutal
Everything in origin and og as the fighting will never stop and they never want it to stop. That world is evil
Nazes love story same as akihiro. It's just weird reading it out loud. His death was good as they got caught as rustol is way smarter than them.
However, Rustal punished Iok for killing Naze and the Turbines, if I recall. Iok chose to act irresponsibly, and Rustal Ellion received 70+ requests to reconsider it.
But yeah, Naze’s death-several deaths in Iron Blooded Orphans-were very dark.
In terms of ‘dark’ series, it’s: 1) Victory Gundam, 2) Iron Blooded Orphans, and 3) Zeta Gundam.
Sergei Smirnov's death hit me hard... man, I hated Andrei so much for it. He never even bothered to ask his dad any questions, he just cut him down in a blind rage.
The Colonel deserved better.
The moment he showed his humanity in rooted for him and said this is what crank could have been. His whole story was great
Lok was so dumb and plot kept him alive to make the ibo cast not look insane compared to him. Lok had so many chances to give up
Also surprised the comment section don't talk more on the implied children selling their bodies as we see no girls really and naze can't marry everyone
Crank's death is one of the most memorable death in IBO. He's such a proud soldier. He challenged and keep up with the Barbatos in that Graze longer than any Graze before that and he decided to tell Mika shoot him when he lost the duel. He's more memorable than Ein.
So they complained more about kira getting it on with flay rather then the scene in episode 33 where earth feds activate the cyclops system which kills both zaft and there own people
Bruh, Karens will be Karens even if they're in Japan.
The Cyclops System was horrifying and gave me legit nightmares for a decade after, but apparently Kira and Flay doing it was infinitely worse. Smh
Jealousy run wild lol
Yeah. (fake) Underaged kids having sex? Far worse than mass genocide. You really don't understand the real world's culture huh?
@@panduvandal I always had a soft spot for Flay, literally THE only sympathetic Atlantic Federation character to me except maybe the druggies/extendeds. Always disagreed with the hatred she got, which curiously never really seemed to be directed at the actual Blue Cosmos members, despite her clearly having a redemption arc and changing her views on Kira and coordinators. But then again a disproportionately high number of "hated" anime characters back in the day were girls, was never really sure why.
I actually cheered for Rau capturing her just because the thought of her getting Cyclopsed along with the innocent ZAFT/Eurasian forces was even worse 😨
1:13 I've heard that the name "Gundam Heaven's Sword" was associated not only with the 4 Heavenly Kings, but with something called the Devil Halo, which is what would happen if the Devil Colony Gundam found the Angel Halo from Victory Gundam. All those psychics in that building being infected by DG Cells would be pretty dreadful to consider.
"Dreadful" is an understatement. A bunch of abused psychics used to drive people insane fused with a bio-mechanical menace whose sole purpose is to eradicate mankind? No amount of "Love-love" would be able to stop that.
@@andrewowens4421 All that's missing are Mobile Armors from the Calamity War for rank and file Lieutenants bringing their plumas for mop up.
@@andrewowens4421 That sounds like the Perfect Final Boss to an SRW Game!
Remember when Seed got a scene of killing off surrendering soldier? As well as Shinn directly stabbing the cockpit with his armor Schneider killing the pilot as well as removing his seat belt by splitting his torso in half?
Careful Kakarot, we don't want a repeat of the family friendly one year war video fiascos.
That really was a weird TH-cam time to live through
I propose he rerelease this video with the same censorship for April Fools!
I dunno what this means, can you explain?
Suletta deploying The Ketchup-Maker-5000 is really not that bad compared to some of the other stuff from Gundam. I mean SEED had that scene where all of the people get affected by the Cyclops system and just explode. Is it because the tomato sauce didn't get sprayed everywhere?
To be fair, before the Famous Catsup scene, if we subtract episode zero WfM was running on a Hello Kitty Premise. That is why the last scene of the last episode made such an impact as sudden, they switch from Hello Kitty to Mortal Kombat in a matter of seconds.
@@bryanmerel The sunshine and rainbow has already been slowly peeling off since ep 4. Ep 12 is where they pull it off.
@@bryanmerel My brother in Christ the show starts with a bunch of innocent scientists being murdered and the first episode after the prologue showcases a woman being treated like cattle just to drive home how thoroughly fucked the school is, it is not a hello kitty premise.
@@Peasham
1) that's why i said, minus episode Zero(prologue)
2) Nah. Even compared to the more mainstream of anime, the premise of the Show was as Milk toast Tame as it can get. Even to some, It was only at the final episode where it got to feel like Gundam again. The show not feeling like a gundam and looking like more as a Fantasy school Yuri anime was infact what attracted the show to the usually not versed with the Gundam Premise Yuri fans of the internet. That is why the final episode was such a shock, as basically many new to the Gundam franchise basically just get their first taste of what the Genre really is about. 🤣
@@bryanmerel The premise of the show is that the main characters are in a Fascist military school where they're being conditioned into being soldiers. The first episode contains a duel through which a woman is being exchanged like cattle. The second episode is exclusively adult politics. The third episode is yet another duel for the ownership of a woman. The fourth episode is the only one where the characters actually interact with the school setting and even that's rife with politics. You haven't even seen clips of it, let alone watched it, have you?
This stuff is why I love Gundam and anime in general, that they aren't afraid to show or tackle the material/subject.
I always thought the scene at the end of the first Cour from WfM was a good way to show that everyone thinks war won’t happen. Until it does. A very real aspect of war.
It's not that war isn't happening. It's just mostly on Earth and the spacers don't think it will happen to them.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 I meant like real humans. But yes
I think Bright slapping the shit outta Amuro in OG Gundam caused a stir back in the day.
I’ll need to rewatch the bonus features on my 30th anniversary collection to confirm. Im almost positive one of the staff said it was unheard of back then.
There's also the scene with the kids running around naked. That was hard to explain when my wife passed by and saw it as well.
I know that feeling. Sometimes you'd rather be caught watching porn, it's easier to explain than anime. XD
@@junrosamura645 That part was fairly normal for anime of the period. Dragon Ball has some full-frontal scenes of Goku, for example.
@@stevenschnepp576
Yeah that's just normal, I forget wich movie I watched, I think it was Summer Wars had the same
The tomato sauce scene is legendary. One of the most memorable scenes in Gundam history
I always loved how raw Gundam can be. Also I expected Gundam Wing, but not this entry. From what I ve heard the Wing Gundams self destruction caused controversy even in the production of the show, but Idk how true that is.
Actually laughed out loud at the seed bit; completely forgot that happened XD
Like for the image from My Dress Up Darling lol.
The big part of why Witch From Mercury is so shocking is how the show has been so far. It took quite a while for the series to pivot to the brutal warfare of many other Gundam series (especially if you skipped the prologue). Oh look, it's a nice slice of life anime with robots... OMG WAS THAT GUY MICROWAVED?! The splat was shocking because Suletta had been pretty shy and reserved up to that point. Now we need more episodes to fill out why she snapped...
I mean I disagree, there was absolutely nothing slice of life about it except for maybe the fourth episode and even that was about her piloting a murder machine featuring space racism.
I'm surprised you didn't touch on how the US changed to the words Kill, Death, etc. in Gundam Wing to Destroy. Also, I may be misremembering, but in the very first run of Gundam Wing on Toonami, there's a conversation between Treize and Heero where they discuss God and the existence of God. I distinctly remember Heero saying he didn't believe in God the first time. Then a few months later when they started the reruns again, that scene was edited to omit Heero saying he didn't believe in God.
Staten save us from our censors.
LOL we got the proper versions of both wing AND seed on ytv in Canada but seed DID have a few edits to the most gruesome scenes (including Cyclops explosion deaths)
There was an edited version that ran earlier, and an unedited version that ran in a late night time slot.
And here i am, still enjoying those classic Gundam Build series
Kowloon Gundam being renamed is definitely less controversial than G Gundam implying Hong Kong was a country even back then
you know, this does raise the question: how is Suletta splatting someone "too much", but Kamen Rider Geats having people be horrifically mutated into plants "just right"?
I don't think Geats had hyper-detailed blood to go along with it.
There's also that scene where one of the Jyamato killed a baby but we doesn't see it on screen.
People get splatted in real life (not often but it does happen - industrial accidents, war, etc). There's a reason why closed-casket funerals are a thing.
People don't get horrifically mutated into plants in real life, unless there's something I don't know...
Well, if they dared to pull that one scene from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid's VCNext where Emu gets his face smeared against sharp glass in regular Sunday schedule, parents will rage.
@@kellyjohana516 you all bring forth valid points. But as a Rider fan I'm still shocked how much Geats has gotten away with, especially with how Zero One (VCins don't exist), Saber, and Revice tried to be lighter in their worldbuilding, Vail spinoff aside
G Gundam's entire existence and canon.
one of the reasons why it's my favorite
The suits just look plain stupid 😂
The cameos from the rx 78-2 and zeta kind of clashes with the super robot setting and looks out of place to me lol.
@@Jidom_101 Windmill gundam is functional perfection
I love G Gundam to death but yeah, it's definitely a product of it's time and not a _good_ product either.
5:16 Hey. You know that garbage censorship method of turning the blood from red to white.
That happened in this scene too, and it just serves to make the scene even worse
LOL
That remind me of Korean censorship on New Game anime, one of the character just wearing pantsu (she still wearing her shirt), the Korean version added "god ray" to.cover her pantsu, the result was hilarious. It looks like the character didn't wear anything down there
That's fake as far as I know. The og spy family scene was also fake
The first time i realise how dark Gundam story is when i saw Iron Blooded Orphan cause that's the first Gundam story that i watch in internet (and as teeneger) and back then the Gundam series that run on tv is mostly censored.
I think the change from Lumber to Grizzly may have had to do with synching up the voice work with the animation. Also, I tend to think Grizzly fits Canada a bit better.
Also sounds cooler because this was a show targeted for kids.
@@donovanbradford8231 but no claws. So not a proper grizzly Gundam.
100% they took the opportunity to make better sounding choices while they were changing other names anyway. Some of the mentions are definitely not out of controversy.
It's so perfect with the Seed part, Kakarot used an image of the main heroine of Valkyria Chronicles. Ah good times, good times... also, I'm shocked Seed got away with that. Oh boy...
My initial reaction was, "Only five times? I feel like it should be more." LOL
Imagine how touchy things must have been to get bent over the word hell but now you got young kids on TikTok singing WAP..
I just recently finished watching Orphen and i love it the action , the drama and the incredible brutality of Mika this boy has become one of my favorite Gundam pilots. Also i love the a lot blood yeah i love gore great video
Only 5? Every Gundam series is basically easy to see a controversy to it considering they basically copy real life wars at the time with congo fighting all the way up to child soldiers in ibo.
Though I'd say they make sure to show the mcs are basically evil from 00 origin wing and ibo as I actually cheer when they lose as they deserve it sometimes as underdogs don't mean hero same as protagonist
5:15 I love tomato soup.
5:49 To be fair... there are a few deaths in Gundam I think can be meme-able... like the Gouf Custom giving a Guntank the Great Britain special.
The scene itself was a bit of a shock for me, not because of the death but how just easy going Suletta was after the fact.
Let's not forget that in Gundam 0080 War in the Pocket, 11 year old Al Izuruha got to see how "hamburger" is made...
I swear the Gundam Seed writers were on something on that day
Just because they depicted sex? 😏
One thing to remind people about the Era when Gundam Wing and G Gundam aired is that this was the same time Super Christian parents were trying to ban Harry Potter, Yugioh, & Cardcaptors because they "Promote Satanism". This wasn't an "inappropriate for kids" thing with Deathscythe Hell, it was a "Parents are bitching" thing. So most of the G Gundam toy changes were for that, but also something Bandai & Toonami did a lot with shows not playing on the Midnight Run (the precursor to Adult Swim).
Sounds like all the complaints can be summed up by this.
"Do you have any idea what's going on outside?!"
"Judging by your outrage I'd guess someone's having fun?"
Gundam WfM's tomato splat was the best decision of the century
You forgot the bathing scene in UC 0079 Gundam. There's a scene were Fraw Bow(I think it was her) is seen giving a shower to the orphan kids(Katz, Letz, and Kikka) without any clothing. That said, it should be noted that censorship was not as strict back then so I guess they got away with it.
I think in any Gundam or anime episode on Toonami back in the day that had female characters as originally naked were edited to have them in swimsuits. Because I remember several shows women being in them by day but on adult swim if it aired them being naked.
@@donovanbradford8231 Hm. Never saw them cuz I only watched the ones on TH-cam before it was taken down and then on Crunchyroll back in 2019.(Can't do that anymore without membership.)
I also forgot a dialogue scene in Gundam SEED Destiny where Athrun attempts to get Shinn to date Lunamaria but the conversation ends heading the wrong direction because of poor word choices. This was after Luna saw her commander with Meer and got the wrong idea. The dialogue afterwards is really a hidden "no touch topic for kids" joke after Luna purposely misinterprets Athrun's "You should take it easy." as "You should let Shinn do some SEED work in you." Shinn's curious face afterwards really gets me.
There’s a general rule for gundam series, if it says “mobile suit gundam” in the title, there’s going to be war crimes. If it’s just gundam, it’s a kids show
So the lesson of the day: karens are international…gotcha👍👍👍
sigma rule 10079: when the PTA complain about a sex scene, make a directors cut of it
"IBO sounded like a kids show" umm. where, how? the first episode jumps into child slavery and human experiments (with that fatality rate its basically an experiment of survival) and political murder... and while you can say 0079 suits look childish and friendly, you cant say that about barbatos (edited)
The fans never complained - the PTA (Parents and Teachers Association) did.
SEED was shown on Saturday golden time slot (between 5-7pm, depending on regional stations in Japan) so depicting two underage kids (both Kira and Fllay are 16) with implied sex rubbed the PTA the wrong way so they complained about it.
Wow what a hidden gems to find.
I want to see more of this because this is kinda new for me to know about these.
hey if gundam don't have a brutal scene and war crime than how is it going to be a gundam show (ignore the build serries tho that dosen't count)
Oh for fluck sake, this is a franchise about the horrors of war, not some power rangers knockoff where no one truly dies. If the viewers cant stand the reality of war in the few scene's that portray it, its a them problem.
Oh you'd be surprised at how many people die in the series Power Rangers takes the fights from
@@Peasham he's probably talking about power rangers samurai or mega force since those are more light hearted and less realistic than the others.
I always had a question regarding the SEED scene; out of all the women what did he have a crush on a woman so vindictive as Flay? I guess the guy has worst taste in women than Depp.
Kira in the first half of S1 its more of a submissive man (hervibore) so he is atracted by the strongest girl around his group of friends. Not to mention, this all happened because Flay wanted to manipulate Kira to do her bidding. Once Kira met Lacus and Kagali, everything changed for him, since he started to see other traits in woman and also start to value himself more. Amazing how deep Kira's character arc is in Seed than in Destiny where he is literally just gundam jesus.
Because Kira was still 15 and was in highschool when he had a crush on Fllay before knowing how racist she was.
And during his journey with the Archangel, Kira pretty much just considered Fllay his comfort b***h who was willing to give her body to him in between all the battles, until he got blown up with Strike by Athrun/Aegis.
@@Gadlight although he was ok cucking one of his friends.
Not cool.
Kira had a crush on Flay before he knew she hated coordinators so much and he was already emotionally traumatized at the time. So Flay coming on to him at the time was surprising but at the same time, he needed to "relieve some stress". What's more screwed up is how Flay uses this to emotionally/mentally damage him even further.
I don't know if this counts but I remember the reveal for Gundam age was hit with a ton of dislike from the fan base from its character desgins to its mobile suits, granted the series ended up as a big mess but I always remember that.
Great video as always. Honestly you could do a whole video on Gundam Wing and it's controversies/edits. The first would be Heero's dialogue being changed in the first episode with Relina from, "I kill you" to "I destroy you". The next being after Heero is shot by Duo when he wakes up an OZ hospital where you can hear blood dripping on the floor but it's all edited out and in the same scene when Duo breaks Heero out of the hospital they edit out Heero's bloody hand. There is the episode where Lady Un shoots and Earth Spear Alliance general after droping him out of a plane, we see jer shoot him what we don't see is the bullet making contact with the head. In the episode where Zecs pilots the Tallgeese for the first time they edit out him coughing up blood from internal injuries. The episode where Wufi hides out in Maj. Sally's village everyone injured by mobile suit fire has the blood edited out. The biggest edit/controversy is after Heero uses Wing Gundam's shelf destruction device when we see him next we see Heero blacked and wided eyed but audiences in the states didn't see Heero also lying in a pool of his own blood.
Then there are episodes of 08th Ms Team where female characters are originally seen naked are edited to look like they are in swimsuits. The same was when Si Shashi sees Argo's commander taking a bath in a lake, she is naked in the original only to then be in a swimsuit on Toonami.
suletta's ketchup recipe is the show saying: fun times are over, we gonna go the zeta style (i hope), also am i evil for wishing for kill em all tomino to show why he has such nickname?
At this point with don't get what people expect from iron blooded orphans it's a great show and makes its point clear immediately of showing the state the main characters are in and just how animalistic Mikazuki can be rightfully so for what happend to his friends.
Plus it seems in their world the rules only exist to keep them down and the people in power in power, don't really blame them for not caring
I mean shit it was only episode 4 and he was gonna kill Gaelio and completely tuned out everyone telling him to calm down for a few seconds
Gundam the witch from mercury special edition: extra scenes...
and extra tomato splash
I remember Gundam the Origin having controversy with people comparing it to the JSDF.
Did it really take them 40 years to notice that lmao
The scene on seed shocked me when i first watched the series 😂 didn't know Kira had that dawg in him
My guess as to why they renamed the Lumber Gundam is that they thought to an English audience it would suggest that the giant robot was in fact made of... wood. Ya'know, like Wood Man from Mega Man somehow is. Maybe they thought it would hurt its marketability when it became a toy on store shelves, basically.
Honestly I think the Gundam name changes in Mobile Fighter G each had their own reason, I always figured Grizzly vs Lumber because it sounded cooler. Others were more controversial. I would say something like Hurricane to Nether was probably because kids wouldn't have gotten the reference.
Uh, I bought 1/144 Deathscthe Hell at a Toys R Us. We had just gotten back from spending what we all knew to be his final Christmas with my maternal grandfather. My brother and I went to Toys R Us to pick up some little gifts for the kids of someone we were going to be visiting the next day, and I bought Deathscythe Hell on impulse. I assembled it that night, sitting at the coffee table in the living room, and when I was done I remember asking myself why I bought this? I don't even like Hell version.
I mean a series that is often about child soldiers, the terrible choices of war, and the ptsd that comes from that not being controversial is a bit odd to begin with. Also I love IBO because it tackles all of those things.
3:24 and with this sunrise earns the title of chad of the century for me
Really? I thought Mcgillis from IBO grooming his friends young sister would be controversial, this would've made the list.
when i first heard that mcgillis had a kid bride in IBO i thought his whole arc with her would be about like. him rejecting this arranged marriage, especially when he started talking about wanting to reform gjallarhorn. yknow, reforming the status quo and all. i was not prepared for how down for child marriage he was
Not the Seed controversy I _thought_ you were going for. Thought you were gonna' mention how the married VAs for Destiny were essentially NTRing each other and the director got so ticked she all but wrote Shin Asuka out of his own show, or something to that effect. Even _I_ don't know the entire story of what went down, aside from how it was a bigger clusterfudge than the Korean Suletta who apparently turned a guy into chocolate fondue (witch, indeed).
Wasn't there also a big controversy surrounding Unicorn? Something about the author being a political extremist or something (which, being American, I take with enough salt to resupply the white base), hence Unicorn's generally more sympathetic handling of Zeon?
Not sure what you being an American has to do with anything but Unicorn wasn't sympathetic to Zeon, Zeon just finally got a leader that actually tried to do the thing Spacenoids always wanted instead of just killing people, the actual atrocities of Zeon are on full blast here
@@Peasham No, me being American just makes me highly skeptical of any party A referring to any party B as a political extremist. It basically devolved to meaning just "I disagree with you" but with an inflated, tryhard sense of grandeur.
@@draketheduelist If you say so, I guess.
Oh god, Sunrise extending the sex bit with Kira and Flay was them pulling a MASSIVE troll and I can tell you right now, some of the people who worked on that are still making troll face and being, “U mad bro???” xD
Sunrise do be "i'll give you something to be mad then!"
I think for the case of the lumber gundam the name change could have been caused by the fact the U.S has large logging operations in the northwestern regions near the border of Canada, with the logging company getting pissed about the doctor Seuss Lorax book to the point the book was banned. So Bandai didn’t want to risk the potential sell of the kits because of the logging industry.
I mean, white ravens are considered magical in nature, more so than normal ravens, and yet are still widely considered sinister birds in many superstitions. To put it simply, Raven was just a bird that has an easy time being associated with evil and is better know than some more fitting birds for such a concept.
Was not expecting a Yugioh reference. It still makes no sense to me why going to what is essentially Hell is worse than dying.
Okay... Whoever at Sunrise thought about making that Gundam SEED scene explicit is most likely high. They want people who grew up with the show to give them their answer as they've grown up enough, but everyone is saying "that's exactly why we aren't meant to see it, think of the children!" Oh, those freaks... And they did it again with another Sunrise show with the same creator.
it wasn't the gore it was how she reacted to the hand that sold it
The only reason the production team behind Pripara changed the ending in response to backlash was because that series is actually intended for youg children and also has children as the main consumer base (which means their parents pay for it, which means avoid angering parents). The 5PM slot Gundam airs on, while accessible to children, is more of a family/all-ages prime slot, it's assumed a lot of teens and a number of adults will be watching too, and the lion's share of Gundam's market is with adults buying model kits so Sunrise doesn't really have an incentive to give much of a shit about parents associations complaining. In some cases, stirring some controversy up may draw more atention and publicity to the show. Some speculate that the Kira and Flay scene was deliberately meant to attract attention as, while Seed had good ratings already, it did experience its biggest spike shortly after.
I'm surprised that's the only complaint IBO got, if i remember In the early episodes it showed that even female children in mars are used for prostitution and also in season 2 mcgillis was kidnapped and used for prostitution, then bought by his adoptive father then sexually abused and he was just a kid at that too. Throughout the entire series all children who were born in space and Mars are treated as disposable even Naze harem was a slave to someone before he saved them, and in Urdr Hunt there was a pirate who kidnapped female children to be used for prostitution while the male ones are force to become grunts
IBO probably got off the hook early on due to the fact they made sure that one knew what kind of show it was from 2p 1 to 3. So by now its more like its expected from Post Disaster to explore such themes.
So the take aways in all this. If the show is controversial in any way that the soccer mom's go ballistic. It's a pretty damn good show worth supporting 100% if you are a fan.
Mika shooting someone was the thing they were upset about in IBO?
Not.... Mcgillis and Almiria??? Okay. Sure, yeah. That's checks out as sane.
The problem is that Gundam ain't even a kids show and Animation isn't even exclusive to kids.
Now when it came to witch from mercury I had a feeling that something about the MC was not with her mentally and the final episode confirmed this wholesale and hope in the second season they will show the MC’s back story
A few more name changes for G Gundam, Four Heavenly Kings of the Devil Gundam to the Four Kings of the Dark Gundam (one probably because of religious language but also that was the name used in the Street Fighter 2 games for the main 4 of Shadoloo which comprised of Boxer, Claw, Sagat and Dictator. Yes, I used the tournament names) and another change is Devil Allenby to Dark Allenby or as Wong said Allenby, Slave to the Darkness.
3:22 ah the good old Bright slap. Might have well told Shinji to get in the robot.
Good stuff
"The situation required a split second"
Umm Kakarot you realise the Tomato soup incident was the result Prospera's "control" over Suletta (which may be either just condition and gaslighting or ever outright brainwash) right?
Even then, she didn't even do anything wrong, the kill was 100% justified lmao
Though yeah she's 100% brainwashed do not get me wrong.
It was a split second decision and reaction, though. If she were to stand by like an idiot, the soldier would've just shot them to death.
Her conclusion was certainly a result of Prospera's gaslighting, but it was still a tight window of action and there realistically weren't many other options anyway (the best ones were probably just shielding them or covering the guy with the hand).
But the tomato soup is the certified Gundam™️ correct decision.
Suletta: oh no you don’t, here I go tomato finger
Since when did Gundam series is a lighthearted kids show that doesn't have mature content like murder or protagonists literally commiting war crimes?
Maybe they thought it was like transformers. It’s sad seeing how gundam has been forgotten in media and is perceived as a kids show due to the TV broadcast.
Apparently, it's ok to kill as many people as you want as long as they explode into prink fireworks instead of a red smoothie
I love you content keep it up.
the only gundam lines that I would even remotely consider for kids would be anything from the SD continuity, and the build lines, everything else is just death
Suggesting that the 72 gundams from the calamity war were built on the 72 psycho frames from the UC Project/project universal century gets people surprisingly upset
Shot in the dark as to a reason why but, Solomon's 72 demon princes?
@@azurelionheart3244 As far as the most basic of real world explanations, that’s the obvious reference.
However, as to why that bizarrely high number of gundams was specifically mentioned in passing in both series, I think it’s insufficient. Maybe there’s a cult in their writing rooms, but I think it means that at the very least they were at one time considering it. There’s too many hints they dropped along the way.
As far as the calamity war gundams go, we know they were hesitant to use them, because they held off until the war seemed lost, and we know they named them after demons. I think that says a lot about how they viewed them, and it implies that they had some inkling as to the nature of the machines before they deployed them, suggesting that they weren’t hot off the assembly line.
Combine that with the fact that the 100 planned psycho frames to celebrate the Univeral Century were halted at 72 because the frames were acting weird and “doing things on their own,” and that Minerva and Banagher felt the need to round them all up and mothball them, and you can easily get a picture where they were collected and preserved to be rediscovered, studied, retrofitted, and ultimately redeployed to wage hopeless battle with mobile armors built to hunt humans.
Not to ramble and wildly speculate too much, but it’s that last bit that is key. Hashmal’s behavior, of immediately seeking and destroying human cities, makes absolutely no sense, unless it was built by aliens or by new types who’d grown so arrogant that they believed they’d transcended humanity. I lean towards the latter.
This would give us a calamity war originally fought between old types and new types, that was at least indirectly and ironically brought about by Banagher’s and Minerva’s decisions at the end of Unicorn. And it would’ve ironically ended when the new types were slaughtered by their own human hunting machines, proving their cause for the war was misguided from the start. At least the war between humans would end ironically. Then would come the cool part where sentient gundams hijack the minds of willing newtypes to have death matches will hellacious mobile armors all across the solar system. And who wouldn’t watch every second of that?
@@azurelionheart3244 Probably because they were named in defiance to the Mobile Armors whose name are Angel themed
@@azurelionheart3244 that would be correct each one is named after a demon from solomons book
@@azurelionheart3244That could apply to all of them, but the names are likely purely symbolic. It’s the number that’s out of place. It’s huge. And the rule of Chekhov’s Rifle says you can’t just randomly drop details like that into a story for no reason or it’s bad writing. They did it twice, so their had to, at least initially, be some intent.
Even in the PS2 game 'MS Saga: A New Dawn' some of the G Gundams kept their western names. The ones that didn't were the Death Army and the Devil Gundam. Not sure why those were the exception.
Because the West doesn't market too many video game franchises from foreign countries that well.
Honestly some of the name changes are pretty badass. “Soaring Raven Gundam” is so much better, IMP.
I'll come back to this video after watching witch of mercury, I'm aware of where the spoiler begins but I dont want to know anything else until airing is finished and I can binge it (I'm not watching any gundam show on air after trying to do so for multiple years with the unicorn ovas lol)
Surprise ketchup is ketchup, even if it's unexpected. Some people want to teach questionnable things to children under 10, yet, they can't handle surprise ketchup. Not really surprised.
And what "questionable things" are that?
@@Peasham And what aren't they? Pretty sure you know what I'm talking about anyway. There's things you can teach kids at a certain age and other you have to wait 'till they're older. Moreover, some "teachings" are part of raising a kid, and schools AREN'T made to raise kids, but to teach them things like maths and all that. Parents' job is to raise their kids. Schools shouldn't do the parents' job.
@@chassegallerie2910 If you were so confident in your stance, you'd have stated what those things are already. Also, no, schools have taught kids things other than pure information since their inception.
@@Peasham Of course, of course. Whatever make you feel better than others.
@@chassegallerie2910 So what are the things schools shouldn't be teaching children, exactly?
The funny thing is that while Gundam has been around for so long practically all of its "controversies" are pretty minor
I'm sure there were bigger and more justified.
@@bthsr7113 there is no justification it is just people being idiots, it is a fucking fiction and Gundam was never meant to be watched by kids it is a seinen series(save the gunpla ones i guess ?).
witch from mercury is by far one of my favorite of the series. it felt like i was just watching a long entertaining movie.
I remember one from the original Gundam where a kid in a space suit, 1 or 2 year old, was happily walk to a parent (apparently) and then **bam** a laser shot only graze him and was gruesome.
Obviously was edit after but that it what i recall now.
You forgot about the Space Nazi theme that keeps popping up, and the various ways that zeon doesn't try to hide the fact, also the genocidal actions in Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny between Zaft and the Earth forces.
I will say the ‘Earth Forces’ [Blue Cosmos] struck first. ZAFT was put in place to protect the PLANTs, who were converting the Junius colonies into agricultural distributors.
The ‘Space Nazi’-thing pops up because those in space want to be able to dictate their own paths in life, after being kicked off Earth itself.
Sunrise: What's this?
Sunrise Employee: Complaints about Kira Yamato getting laid in obvious passing, sir.
Sunrise: I see, I see... Right, we need to act quickly. Call in the Actors and animators, I want the scene extended for the upcoming HD releases.
Sunrise Employee: And the complaints?
Sunrise: Burn them with the rest, we've got salt to farm.
People complained to Sunrise that Gundam Seed has sex
Sunrise's response...MORE sex and panty shots in the special edition
The cast of ibo when they see twfm ketchup splat:Dats our girl.
I had a brief moment of mandela effect when you mentioned there’s actually 2 spelling for Noble/Nobel Gundam