This is anti-consumer. The next logical step for society would be to prevent us from being to able to negatively review products we purchased, or movies we watched, or restaurants we visited.
This is the furthest thing from being logical. I am thinking about switching to another plateform. Toturial video will go to different plateforms and the quality of youtube video will drop massivly. Pretty much like communism in a way.
I felt Linus perfectly summed it up in his tweet: "Imagine if Amazon hid 1-star reviews so you could send your feedback to the seller but no one else could see the product was crap. Sounds like a super sensible move to me."
From an education-seeking standpoint, removing dislike counts has made it near impossible to discern what tutorials are credible and worth watching and what tutorials aren't.
Its not that TH-cam dont know, they dont care. They only need you to click a video, not watch it! They can claim to their advertisers that you are a viewer even if autoplay has selected a video that you definitely wont watch
They just want to protect their political buddies that they cater to now. Been that way for a while with the search results benefiting them all the time.
@@tylere.8436 Nope, they actually just want to make more money. If you waste time watching useless videos you wouldn't watch if you saw the dislikes, thats more ad revenue for them. TH-cam exists to make money, it doesn't give a sh*t about politics or anything else for that matter.
TH-cam loves to cater to the SJW's and snowflakes of society... videos getting mass dislikes?? CREATE BETTER CONTENT! don't take it personally that someone doesn't like the kind of things you output...
@@Maxime4 To be fair, it probably politically driven as well. This of course would be detrimental for any political side as you want be able to see universal agreement on a video. Say for example, Joe Biden came out with something benefitting both parties equally. How would you know its equally liked?
I know, right? Now you'll have to use your brain to tell you if what is happening makes sense rather than rely on whether the video was targeted by a troll farm.
@@dystopiaisutopia I got scammed on eBay once. Amazon’s got reliable customer service fast shipping. Also u could get ur money back if the seller don’t don’t respond by just contacting customer support
@@nonameqani1403 Ebay does the same thing. How did you get scammed? Did you go outside of Ebay to complete your purchase? If you use Paypal Ebay will back you up 100%. I've been on Ebay since 2008 and never had an issue.
Honestly, its poor decisions like this (by TH-cam), that make me wish there was a competitor. I would be more than happy to move to another platform that would allow users the option to freedom of Speech, and allow your VOTE to be counted regardless if it a like or dislike.
The only problem is that youtube and google are the two largest monoplies in america. It appears that these governments love monopolies and pretend like they're against it. SMH
@@danymajr I agree... I'm going to get to the point that... I'm going to give everyone a "Dislike" with the comment of... due to the You Tube algorithm not showing the Dislike number... and maybe, just maybe, the Channel owners will start to complain to You Tube management to bring back the number system. After all... if they show the Like number, its useless unless you have something to compare it to like the "Dislike"... the sad thing is... its NOT the Channel owners fault, but they are going to get the brunt of it... its a shame.. and you're right, it is a monopoly
Agree 100%. Also, if TH-cam's goal is to improve creator's mental health, I don't think removing dislikes even helps. It just means that instead of getting bombed with 6,000 dislikes, you'll get bombed with 6,000 comments saying "you suck" "ratio" "L" "use me as a dislike button". That's worse because each sign of disapproval will be unique in its approach, and harder to ignore.
Buddy's DIY I love your videos, and believe it or not the like/dislike ratio is what made me decide if the channel is worth subscribing or not, in which by the way was totally worth it.
Imagine buying something “popular” from Amazon without stars to find out it’s a knockoff of a real product, and thus scamming your money. Having negative reviews (or dislikes) is extremely important IMO.
Completely agree that vote ratio is very useful as a viewer to make decisions on what is worth my time. It’s also useful as a creator to incentivize making better videos. Brigading is a real problem, but as a computer scientist & engineer it’s surprising to me that there isn’t a better solution than “burn it all down.”
Its because of everyone shitting on Biden and how bad everyone really hates him. Not a single video is rated positive ever and they actively work to hide and change it
This point is incredibly important. Look no further than Steam to see that there’s something that can be done. Steam reviews will mark periods of “dislike bombing” or “periods of off topic discussion” it shows that even if a video gets decimated just having a little blurb showing that is was disliked bombed is not out of the question.
The biggest downside so far in my experience with the dislike button being hidden is when I click on a video and I see the amount of likes, I can't help but wonder "Is the 50 likes contrasted with 1000 dislikes? or is it 50 likes and 10 dislikes? I'll never know." Your first rebuttal point about not knowing if the videos is worth my time is the best one. Great point that the comments can be even nastier because now the people who dislike the video don't really feel like their vocie is heard. I like your idea to only allow dislike ratings to be posted for people who have watched a required length of the video (let's say 10% continuous).
I can't tell you how many hours I've saved being able to click off tutorials after seeing a weak like-dislike ratio, and having to waste extra time to check the comments individually will significantly increase time wasted and cause more frustration. And again, any video will a boosted amount of dislikes will affect creators MUCH less than what they will see in the comments. I mean, can't creators hide like-dislike ratio's on their own videos manually? I feel as though this issue is a no-brainer.
Even adding a feature to let creators hide dislikes on their channel while still showing likes would be fine, if you go to a tutorial and dislikes are hidden, assume it’s dodgy and find a different one
Thats the point. They want you to watch all videos cause of ads etc, more you spend time on searching that perfect tutorial more money you make for them. Simple. Evil.
I have to admit that since TH-cam hid the dislikes my use of this platform decreased to almost zero. Beside Mr Marques I watch little to nothing else. It’s weird that Google didn’t find a better solution, like letting the content creators choose if they want to share the dislikes with the community or not. Weird solution to remove the dislikes and to simply ignore all the backlash afterwards.
This does a huge disservice to audiences like mine who use TH-cam as a study tool. Learning English as a second language is hard-there are a ton of great resources for students on this platform, but there is also plenty of content that is misleading, outdated, lazy, or just plain wrong. Why make it even harder for users to know what information to trust (or at least spend their time on) when you could just... i don't know... not?
TH-cam does not care about what you want to spend your time on. They just want you to spend your time. They don't care about the accuracy of information, if you need to spend 10 minutes to find out a video was not worth watching that is not necessarily bad for them. They also really would like to be more like the other platforms and be a recommendation engine as Marques describes it. It's easier to keep people on the platform if they only consume content you provide them.
Probably this feature will not live long but the fact itself that TH-cam came up with this and actually thought it'd be a positive feature is insane. Really makes you wonder what are the actual reasons they're doing it
This does seem to be the wrong way to go in a time when true/valid information is harder and harder to discern from fake. This whole thing seems lazy as hell. Why not make a behind the scenes algorithm that basically works like DDOS software, looking for dislike bombs and shadow blocking the downvotes to anyone but the offenders. You also give users a behind the scenes rating based on quality of their comments and rating history compared to others. So, this user downvotes every single video they watch? Well, never count their downvotes, or count it something tiny like 1/1000th of a dislike. Again, this approach by YouiTube feels lazy, they are throwing out more data, and abandoning the huge amount of self moderation the community does. Aren't they losing valuable statistics too? Puzzled all around.
@@Frank_Lee_Terrible It's for the advertisers. If you want to sell an ad or video about products you're selling, you wouldn't want it to have a bunch of downvotes even though your product is crap.
I agree. And its one of my favorite points he made and completely aligns with how I use this platform. However, I’m pretty sure TH-cam’s response to this would be “we own Google. Google is our search engine. Use the Videos filtering feature of Google for this from now on.” I hate this change and I would like to see them make it right.
@@thecarmellofellow Google's search for videos and TH-cam's search for videos are sometimes almost completely different. I really hope TH-cam doesn't go that route.
And the one thing TH-cam hates. They don't want it to be an unbiased search engine (as evidenced by the declining quality of search results and constant recommendations not even tangentially linked to your search in the results). They want it to be a sponsored content platform, where they push you the video, you watch the video, you press like, you watch next video ad infinitum.
What an outstanding presentation! This was like a well prepared book report! And articulated fantastically without bias or excessive emotion. 👏🏻 You provided the facts of the situation, expressed the problem it creates and even suggested a compromised solution. Bravo!!! 👏🏻 For the record: I do not like TH-cam’s decision to hide the dislikes.
Great points, Marques, I agree with everything you say here. The like/dislike ratio is, just like you said, the first bit of info many of us look at to see if a tutorial or explainer video is going to be useful, relevant, or even that it will be correct. Furthermore, if a video is more opinion-based, I might be more likely to want to watch it if it has a high dislike ratio, because that could indicate that the creator is expressing an opinion that is controversial or unpopular, which I find interesting.
Everyone should start leaving a comment on videos that says "Like my Comment if you Dislike the Video. " If that trend caught on, it would somewhat help to still give people a first glance view of the quality of the video and be a middle finger towards the TH-cam overlords.
@@ronski4059 Stuff like that would only be relevant on platforms such as TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, etc. I truly believe bring back the dislike count to the public would be the best decision TH-cam could make now.
I feel like a dislike is one of the least hurtful ways for a viewer to show the content is lacking. I would take a negative like to dislike ratio over a weirdly specific comment pointing out how my video sucks because the spacing between my eyes is weird, any day of the week.
And disliking, as well as mass disliking, can now move not just to the comment section, but to the flagging button! The result might be fear and self censorship.
yeah, right?! thats what im sayin like besides yt, i like how Facebook operates tbh, on fb people use the sad react as a dislike (if the vid is not sad)
All the other social media jest show the hearts which is annoying and the only way to tell something is not liked at first glance is the ratio of hearts to comments, or on Twitter there is „the ratios” sometimes
The dislike button is the only weapon we have to combat click-bait, inaccurate or prank videos which waste our time, and let other users know not to click. Please don't remove it.
@@iliyasshaikilu but not how many people dislike it. So no clue if it’s bad, inaccurate or wasting ur time. Because you have no information on how bad it actually is.
@@iliyasshaikilu This is so stupid. Of course it's an expression and people can dislike stuff because of stupid reasons like "oh I don't like your voice" but it also works as a rating system for the content (good or bad, true or false...) For example there are a lot of tutorials here on TH-cam. If I see that it got a lot of dislikes then I know that there is probably something wrong with the tutorial. The information can be outdated or the tutorial leaves some important steps out. A tutorial that has a lot of dislikes shows me if I should spend my time on this or if I should look for another tutorial about the topic.
@@iliyasshaikilu You must be joking. There are lots of new SpaceX, Tesla, Elon channel with plain wrong information. For eg. "SpaceX just invented nuclear engine", "Tesla unveiled new van", "Elon insane agreement with Putin". View counts on these video are insane.
You make a lot of sense Marques. Personally, the best way to protect people's mental health is by teaching them the skills to accept criticism and cope with bad things that might happen. By attempting to shield everyone from getting their feelings hurt simply distorts reality and reduces their ability to grow with improvement and resiliency. All the best mate👍
100 percent. I dont even use it so much for finding good or bad videos, but just the general feeling of the viewing audience so far at that time. Like, I tend to like videos that have a little bit of dislikes, since it indicates that the creator isnt afraid to do something that might not be to some tastes, which is fine, sometimes i dislike things that are distasteful to me, but not out and out horrible. different strokes. And more dislikes indicates a more controversial thing, again, not necissarily bad, there are videos i liked that have a decent amount of dislikes that I can understand why some would dislike, and I wouldnt erase those dislikes if you let me. as its informative of audience feedback in the forum. it kinda indicates more of a nuance that just giving one side of the coin (like). I mean, there can be organized dislike bombings I suppose, but i dont think that danger invalidates the freedom and general utility of the dislike/like relationship gives to the veiwers as a tool of civil expression. not necissarily the quality of a video. I find it one of the most useful and engaging aspects of youtube. Or if you dont want to put your name and profile out their with a comment, but still want to be heard and see what other peoples general sentiment is. Like Marques said, its a great tool for trying to understand context
@@SleeplessSpecter …. I disagree. I mean, if the topic in the particular video is political or if they are in some drama, it could show that. but not every video is political. Like, I dont think a laptop reviewer gets downvoted for their political views unless they are really smashing it in peoples faces. And I find most polite political videos don’t get downvoted to hell either. As a youtube user I find it very helpful. great way to gauge audience response, not nessiarily video quaity (though the two can often be related). And Like, i would say less then 5% of videos have liked/dislike abused.
Everyone should start leaving a comment on videos that says "Like my Comment if you Dislike the Video. " If that trend caught on, it would somewhat help to still give people a first glance view of the quality of the video and be a middle finger towards the TH-cam overlords.
I agree 100% I’ve actually found myself now using TH-cam about 50% less (I used to spend hrs on it). I mostly learn how to do various things and now I don’t know if the information I’m watching is accurate or helpful. This was such a stupid move on their part.
Hard agree, Marques. I am so confused why this would be removed. Seeing dislikes has saved me countless hours of otherwise wasted time… and it for sure does not make me watch LESS TH-cam, it just helps me watch better videos. In fact I’d argue that it makes me watch more TH-cam.
How do you really know that those videos you skipped were a waste of time? You didn't watch them. Smaller channels or people with an opinion different to the masses can have valid things to say.
And also, If the video is a scam video the dislike ratio will be a big red flag! There's so many examples in the TH-cam history where a "content creator" wanted to scam their audience (on purpose or not) but the dislike ratio SAVED lots of people!
You know what hurts a content creator's mental health more than dislikes? Stress over whether their videos are gonna be randomly demonetized this time or not.
@@risolotl2602 Completely agree. In fact I would say that TH-cam is doing more harm than good here. These are the kinds of things that stereotypically get dismissed as "SJW snowflakes that don't want their feelings hurt." There are plenty of real social problems (such as content creators' mental health) that get treated like a non-issue because influencial people and companies pander to these social problems in all the wrong ways. From movies and video games getting backlash for trying to shoehorn diverse characters into the plot by including one of every minority group, to SJWs contributing to transphobia by getting unreasonably angry on behalf of transgender people, resulting in an association between anger and transgender people. I'm tired of real problems (mental health) being swept under the rug because of poor decisions (removing dislikes) taking the spotlight. Especially on a platform like TH-cam, which contributes more to the mental health decline of its content creators than the commenters ever could.
Well that’s just very selfish of you sir - Have you taken a moment to think of the mental stability/state of those terrible restaurant operators when they have to read all those negative reviews? Tsk tsk
TH-cam messes up the comment section turns off mini player for certain video then add two more things two the screen preventing me for having more than 3 tabs now this ugh
this change is for the white house channel, any video related to covid 19 and of course rewind. also probably a sprinkle of disgruntled people with youtube connections claiming "hate raids" on their terrible videos
Another important point: This WILL ALTER they way people use the like/dislike system! Now that people understand it's no longer useful to look at the like-dislike ratio, why bother contributing to a broken system? My disgust with YT is at an all-time high.
Good, if you feel any disgust then you’re a disgusting person. What comes out of you is within you. TH-cam is taking the initiative to further the mental strength of TH-cam watchers. Having them speak for themselves and speak on their views rather than the views of others and using it as their own. People will no longer judge a video off of the like dislike video and have to read thought out comments or watch the video themselves. “Another important point” telling us that what you’re saying is important, thinking for us. “This WILL ALTER” telling us what will happen and putting it in all caps to make it seem like it’s going to happen. so glad I can see these flaws through comments rather than a dislike button
@@TheTruth-13 You disgust me. Making the world all "nice" is making it all "tolerant" instead of just. Want to know why sex offenders and murderers get the chance to reoffend? Because they're tolerated more than they deserve. If you utterly destroy a person or their rights, you forfeit your own. Don't want to show basic consideration? Then you don't deserve basic consideration. Society and the world should base itself, its actions, and its self-worth on responsibility to PREVENT problems, but someone who rapes and murders a child gets an unhappy vacation in prison if found guilty, instead of being made an examples of by being horrifically and publicly destroyed or even used for medical experimentation. Their life should be made a living hell for as long as possible and society should be willing to do ANYTHING to them. If people's mental health (happiness) is negatively affected, it's because they don't have what it takes to participate in a meaningful or appreciated way and are too weak and insubstantial to do anything but complain and shrivel up when others make it known. They can't or won't learn. Enjoying the pandemic and global warming? Well, everyone was so focused on what's normal they didn't do a damn thing to fix anything or deal with the consequences of their actions. And big business and government went along with that, exploiting the weak, stupid, uninitiated and IRRESPONSIBLE for everything, knowing they'd come out on top while losers and the losers who tolerate them would pay through the nose for costly "solutions" to the very problems they caused themselves or were encouraged in by those seeking to take advantage of them. Have fun going through the comments. I dislike you and the billions of people like you, but life is just. Nature isn't using a dislike button to clean up the planet. It's just wiping idiots who demand less public negative feedback on their work for the sake of their mental health off the fucking planet. Them and some people like me who are made to tolerate them out of survival. You should be grateful for any feedback at all. It's a warning that is being removed by people nurturing the idiocy that is so common in a world that cares more about a happiness based on what's normal than on dealing with reality to actually get things right.
@MooseGoose “a way to communicate” you must have a primitive mind and can only establish communication through a button rather than a thought out response in the comments telling the creator what you didn’t like to give them a better perspective. But I can understand why primitive minds would rather hit the dislike button to confuse the creator on what they disliked. Lower forms of intelligence have a hard time understanding what communication truly is. They would rather be primitive and communicate through “good” and “bad” like cavemen
When people see a 98%+ like ratio they know they are (probably) about to watch some quality content. I work hard to hit that number. I work hard to make sure that when they click, they feel like it's worth sticking around because that little number tells them that this video is (probably) worth their time. And all of that is separate from the experience I have as a user, watching dozens of videos per day and quickly sizing them up in the way you describe in this video. This really is an absolutely terrible change and I hope they revert it.
What if a video on a small channel has 9 likes and 5 dislikes... or 41 likes and 19 dislikes. Nobody thinks about the channels with smaller audiences and I find that kind of alarming since this change would impact those creators more than others if not implemented.
Yo skill up what's up my dude. Some publications are posting new videos about halo infinite's campaign. You didn't happen to test out halo's campaign have you??😜😜. Loved your BF2042 video BTW
Now you don't have to worry about it. Just make shit content, people will only see LIKES anyway. Everyone are good no matter what, everyone's the king, you are all perfect and have no flaws!
You, sir, have been my favorite individual on TH-cam since first discovering you in early 2015, maybe 2014... And this is yet another reason why. Thank you for speaking up!
The irony of removing dislike counters to "protect creators feelings" but the creator can still see the number of dislikes anyway... Edit- Great youtube creators removed their disliked video lol
It’s a lie. They’re doing it for bigger reasons. I haven’t seen one comment on here about anyone wanting this. It’s coming from someone/thing with a lot of influence and credibility that they want to keep, but may not be warranted.
This hurts education TH-cam so much, and the "algorithm" (Search & Discovery system) does not have the capacity to account for these bad videos in other ways. If creators still see dislikes to themselves, this doesn't "protect their mental health" and if it's such a big deal, they should just manually disable ratings themselves
Just look at the comments bro. And also, It can totally help well being, People get on dislike trains and scroll to the comments to say mean stuff because humans SUCK.
TH-cam wants to get rid of educational content. They want to spread conspir4cies and h4te. No one watches 10 hours of English learning videos, but there are people watching 10 hours of videos how lizard men control the world and that 5G makes you pansexual. 🌈
@@bloodhoug82 so if you want to learn something(I'm supposing and hope that you do that), you just spend time checking the video if the information is valuable or not? In 99% of cases the like/dislike is accurate and can't help you if it's helpful. But hey, if you don't value your time, this will be a good move for you.
@@EnigmaticLucas yes, because all that comments from the bots telling me to access a website to get free pictures of "her" are so so useful. Totally agree with you...
And as a creator, even when it might hurt, a slightly tipped dislike ratio on my videos is usually an honest reason to do better next time. It's not perfect, but removing the Dislike count makes both the like and the dislike button useless. Nobody is going to click the Dislike button anymore, thus hiding it behind the scenes is just as useless to both creators and the viewers trying to figure out good from bad.
The only TRUE reason they are getting rid of it is because they don’t want people seeing all the dislikes on the Official White House channel and CNN videos 🤣
@@jwahoski6248 it’s most likely for videos from corporations in general. That one Gillette ad from a few years back being disliked a lot or certain video game trailers being disliked a lot might not have been liked by a lot of companies and as a result they may have pulled some ads.
This is the worst thing TH-cam did in ages. I sincerely hope that they bring this feature back. Thank you so much for making this video! Hopefully more creators come up with videos like this and TH-cam listens.
The worse thing YT has done recently was to try to drown its users in AD's to convince them to buy premium. Still don't have premium and use an ad blocker, but anytime I'm on my phone it bothers me to no end. We all wish their was a better alternative to YT, but one hasn't become available yet so YT does what it feels.
Do they mean small creators such as CNN, MSNBC,The White House and so on. Not trying to be political but I see this move as if they're trying to protect them.
The biggest 'drop-the-ball' about this whole thing is that the creator can still see the dislike count at the back end...so if this move was aimed at helping creators mental health, how does this benefit the creator exactly?? Marques is 100% right on his assessment. As a creator you have to get used to other people not liking your content for whatever reason. It's a part of TH-cam.
So the one person that shouldnt be able to see it, by their own logic, is the only person who can still see it. And of course, nobody is given the option to show the dislike count if they actually want the feedback. Everyone already had the option to disable ratings, but now you can't enable them.
I used youtube throughout uni to learn more about engineering, the dislikes really helped me find something that didn't work or was poorly explained, additionally when something breaks at home and its too complicated for me to immediately fix, I again use youtube to look for guides. Without the dislike button i may follow a flawed guide and break something more than it already is!
Agreed, I absolutely hate this decision, and hope it gets reversed. I use TH-cam as a resource for a lot of different types of learning/educational content, and without that dislike count, there will be a ton of videos that have a clickbaity title+thumbnail that will trick me into wasting time watching it just to find it doesn't have any useful information. This is already an annoying problem on the platform, but usually the first 60 seconds, along with the like/dislike ratio, helps me determine whether to spend more time on the video or move on. Without that ratio, I might just get more annoyed and stop researching on TH-cam, and dig through blogs and forums more.
Exactly. It’s so useful when searching for a tutorial that actually works. They should consider doing something like steam where a large influx of dislikes in a relatively short time will give a notice.
SIMPLE STEPS TO FIND GOOD RATED VIDEOS IN TH-cam: STEP 1 - Search content by using search bar in youtube. STEP 2 - Click the three dot option in the top right corner. STEP 3 - Select the "Filters" option. STEP 4 - There you can get"Rating" option in the "Sort by" row session. STEP 5 - Select "Rating" and then click on "Apply". "SIMPLE RIGHT" THANK YOU ^_^
Very touching that they framed this as concern for creators’ well-being, but it’s clearly being done to cater to brands. Surely big distributors came to them complaining about how review bombs have affected their optics and bottom line. Super cynical and insulting to present it this way.
@@comranw5465 Nah Activision made their video a LEGEND. No other video would surpass their legacy of dislikes and I hope it stays that way because it looks freakin hilarious.
I'm honestly amazed and discouraged that most people don't realize this. Its super obvious that this is all about brands, literally my first thought when TH-cam announced the change.
In every review form youtube has ever sent me over the past 5-6 years ive always said that dislikes should be more useful. being able to see at what point in the video the button gets hit would be a gamechanger and make it much more constructive! seeing if it's something you said/did, if people are immediately disliking etc. Not only does this change take away that valueable info from viewers, it doesnt do anything to help creators. we can still see it
i like this idea, the only place i’ve seen something like this done is on soundcloud, you can leave a comment at a certain point of the song to say what you think of it. or a lot of people will leave comments at the beginning/end of the song to leave a general comment.
Let’s be real here, the dislike counter removal is not really for “creators”. This is to protect big corporations, movie or game studios etc from dislikes on crap things that they do.
The ratio will indeed be a MASSIVE boon to shitty games companies putting out soulless or even abusive cash-grabs. They can now show their "thousands of likes!", because the MILLIONS OF DISLIKES are hidden...
in times where you can buy reviews (positive for yourself and negative for your competitors) to get in the buy box, that isnt saying much anymore anyways
I feel like youtube brought up a valid point and so did you. I feel like there is an easy solution by making it an option so when the uploader is editing and using TH-cam Studio the uploader can choose whether or not they want the dislike count to show for the viewer
@@busimo that doesn’t make any sense. Politics of any kind have always been heavily disliked on TH-cam. A much more likely reason is that TH-cam is trying to increase watch time by preventing people from immediately clicking off of a video based on the dislikes.
Honestly the way they bring it up in the video, it’s very vague and kind of passive aggressive. We already know they’ll never admit as to why they’re so disliked, so why even bring it up?
The Amazon, Etsy, and Netflix comparison is spot on. Seems like TH-cam doesn’t really understand their niche or is trying to become the worst possible social media platform.
@@simondelacanal4543 And I'm genuinely scared because of this. Like, we need our TH-cam. What are we gonna have once it's gone? How will society learn things? The future where society is controlled by big corps officially begins
@@jsivna this is really sad and so true. I now feel like google should never have bought youtube. its becoming very unrecognizable. everything you said about the new office staff trying to score points with pointless suggestions is exactly what I've suspected. not just with youtube but with the pointless updates that NO ONE ASKED for on other platforms that make the user experience WORSE. I feel like we have little recourse when its such a big monopoly too..
This is probably one of the biggest differences that TH-cam offer. It’s a non-biased platform, based on the reality and not the falsity of the other platforms. Removing the dislike button will remove TH-cam and its creator’s credibility. I really hope they think this twice.
No different than deleting 1 million + videos for misinformation. If you can't get both sides of the story then there's no educated decision. Just more censorship. This is just sad.
The thing that makes TH-cam great is that fact that IT'S NOT LIKE OTHER SITES. You have no idea how many times I'd come across a Facebook, tiktok or an ig post and all I think is "how can I dislike this?"
Yup and I think they are doing it mainly because they want their viewers to watch the video no matter how many dislikes it have which means more watch time which means more revenue. So it's not user friendly but revenue friendly for both YT and the creators.
the like/dislike ratio is a major deciding factor for me with educational/tutorial/ how-to content. Educated guess here… removing it likely leads to higher watch time because I am forced to evaluate the video myself if I want that kind of content. I think they could target this issue better by focusing on the indicators that the problem is happening the same way they try to catch all kinds of other behavior without removing the feature.
loool i never knew why netflix had ratings on their in the 1st place, that shit negatively impacts movies, every movie deserves to be viewed with an atmosphere that is as clear from heavy judgement as possible, so people can arrive at their judgement about the movie without being heavily negatively influenced beforehand.
They practically said this in the announcement video. They said that when the dislike counter was removed in the videos they were using for the experiment, it didn't decrease viewership. Of course it didn't - people had to spend more time watching to evaluate whether it was worth their time or not. That's NOT a good thing. They're optimizing for the wrong metrics.
They say they're doing this "for creators" yet I've not seen a single positive comment from a creator who thinks this is actually a good idea. They say that creators can still see the dislike count in TH-cam studio but their own research shows that viewers don't bother clicking dislike when the count is hidden so the count in TH-cam studio isn't an accurate view of how many people dislike a video. It also.makes the like button meaningless without the context of dislikes to compare it to. If I have a video with 100k likes it sounds like people must really love that video. But if that same video has 900k dislikes too, it becomes obvious that, actually, 90% of people hated it. You need that context for either button to have any meaning.
Look at Shannon Morse tweets and you get multiple comments. She is also doing videos for Hak5. She and other women on the plattform have been targeted by dislike trolls
@@angeltysonswe are they targeted for no reason tho? Most of the time when I see dislike bombs it's for a reason(creator fd up real good, some controversial news, politics etc.). It's very rare to see that video is heavily disliked for no reason at all
They need to stop trying to control EVERYTHING. Another option is They need to leave this up to the content creator. TH-cam is just a sellout platform at this point.
@@SOLIDSNAKE. Finally, it all make sense now, THEY (you know, not THEM or equally as nefarious THOSE) want you dead... which is eugenics... somehow. And the linchpin of this plan is to take our dislike button away. Of course! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I started reading your comment as but a child, but now, thanks to your wisdom, i am a MAN. Thanks for getting me WOKE.
Seriously. There are so many videos that have a title that makes you think it's relevant, but then you find out it's not. The dislike helps you know in seconds if you want to invest time watching it
Hey I’m thinking about becoming a programmer. Do u recommend the job? What language do u recommend? I’m nervous to go into that job bc there seems to be so many variations of it
I think removing the dislike counter is less about “well-being” and more about brain trickery… as he said, the ratio is a quick glance as to whether the video is worth investing your time in. Now, without a public dislike view, you’re forced to watch through it anyway, more ad watch time keeping you in a frustrating loop of money printing. Money madness is really gettin outta control now. We are the ink and cotton used to line their pockets, depressing, I know, but life isn’t about only being happy all the time.
Exactly, I thought it was only me, but all this freakin investment topic going on, all sugarcoated be it crypto or metaverse and nft bs is just going too far, people don't have anything else in mind other than moneymoneymoneeey. Maybe I just need to ignore it, but it hurts to see
Removing the public dislike count has two main effects: protect brands/advertisers and make it easier to create feedback loops. Both ultimately will benefit Google revenue and harm users.
I am an Asian so I dk about what's the advertisement of western country ,but I have to say that TH-cam advertisement just getting worse and a bulk of scam,a wealth of "successful people" teach you how to become success but just make sure buy my course,gamble shit and so on. Never been so disappointed since I started using TH-cam like 2011 and witness the TH-cam just going down the hill ... I hope I can see one day some platform with the function like TH-cam can take over the control and replace TH-cam
I am an engineering student. I always look for solidworks tutorials aka 3D modeling. A lot of the times some tutorials are bad or not the most efficient way of doing things. I always use the like to dislike ratio. After the new changes this will make it so much harder for people that are trying to learn.
Same for programming I generally ask my mentees to look up solutions to simpler problems on TH-cam because it way more beginner friendly and the like dislike ratio really conveys the credibility. Looks like they'll have to directly to stackoverflow or geeksforgeeks from now on. It sucks because it's a little daunting for beginner programmers to readup articles than watch a few videos
TH-cam has changed the way many of us accomplish things. Things like fixing my leaking faucet, my buddy fixing his truck, and my brother-in-law installing a tile floor. All of these were accomplished by searching TH-cam and judging videos based on likes vs. dislikes. I recently found a DIY video with more dislikes than likes. In the comments, it turns out that the guy drilled screws through a live electrical wire to hold it in place. Without dislikes, coupled with little to no technical know-how, people might actually follow this advice.
Good point lot of bad advice on some DYI channels. I would point out a video in which a creator endangered himself and others with such blatant safety issues can be reported for dangerous content
well.. youtube doesn't really care about clickbaits. Since every view equals a little more money, navigating multiple videos instead of 1 or 2 is probably more profitable.
I believe that's the point, if you can't just skip over a video by just looking at the ratio, you will have to watch it, making TH-cam money. By the time you have realized its not what you wanted to watch its too late.
Their biggest reason is protecting creator mental health - well I’ll still be able to see all the dislikes in TH-cam studio so does that solve anything at all? Terrible update, if my videos are getting dislike bombed it’s because I’m doing something wrong - it fosters better content. I hope youtube listens
"Terrible update, if my videos are getting dislike bombed it’s because I’m doing something wrong" Not always. Could also mean you're for example an LGBT content creator with a hate mob targeting you. Which we all know that's not who this update is for, but let's not pretend this never happens.
The fact that the dislike counter is not shown has proved to make less people click on the dislike button because they feel it doesn't matter and niether does there opinion!
This just an excuse for TH-cam to get more good opinions and reviews about its site by removing dislikes view, like we all know that TH-cam has policies which impact content creators, for example the ads on every video policy, creators less that 1000 subs or who are not monetized this feel like there content is being taken advantage of by TH-cam to show ads.
All valid reasons! I hate that change as I am using TH-cam primarily for learning and if something is not good I use the like/dislike ratio. Now it's not possible anymore. It's like Google is forcing users to watch anything, even if the actual video contains misinformation or is straight up damaging. Hiding that piece of information could also be interpreted as censorship or attack at the freedom of speech. Terrible decision from Google. And lastly, if some creators are mentally affected by dislikes then they should not be publishing on TH-cam at all.
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Also, this feels like preparation for this year’s TH-cam Rewind.
"Keep in mind, other platforms don't even have a dislike button." Yeah, 'cus you just scroll through their crap. On TH-cam, you're spending multiple minutes to hours on certain content. It's not at all the same thing as scrolling through a picture or tweet. Dislike bombing is already preventable by the creator just disabling it on their video. It so reminds me of when Netflix removed their rating system.. I typically just drop a lot of series or movies 'cus they're not interesting right away. Aside from outside recommendations telling you it gets better, having a like/dislike ratio or rating system tell you if something is worth your time is such a help to keeping people engaged.
Yeah, and other platforms just don't have the same content as TH-cam. I'm not watching coding tutorials on Instagram... Realistically, it can only be done on TH-cam! And they're sometimes 5 HOURS long videos, so i would really like to know if they're worth my time...
Excellent video. Love how you brought in both sides and of the issue. You are so knowledgeable on the subject matter and have a very eloquent way of explaining it. Thank you.
as a creator, I still want dislike button because I want the benefit not only for the creators, also for the viewers. Its really helpful and time saving tool
Likewise here. In fact, I actually enjoyed my first dislike, oddly enough. It meant your content was actually going into new places, including the wrong ones, but new places, nonetheless.
About my thoughts on why TH-cam removed the dislike button. --------------------- [Is removing dislike button a good decision for creator?] Removing dislike button will not help creators, it will only make the situation worse. Once the dislike button are gone, people will only get crazier to comment nasty stuff or even make a whole video just to criticise the creator if the comment was disabled. If that creator are getting mass dislike by people, there must be a reason people do it. Either it's the video just isn't legit, or the creator itself are a person hated by many for a valid reason. Of course there will be trolls, but you can't avoid them by just removing the dislike button. They will find a way no matter what. So no TH-cam you don't need to remove the dislike button, when people are getting hate from people, most of the case they deserve that. Even if they didn't deserve that, there is still no need to remove the dislike button. TH-cam is not a kindergarten, people need to learn to embrace the toxicity people have, if they can't even handle the hate they have when their channel is small, how are they gonna handle the big amount of hate they get when they are famous? Every famous people have haters, people need to learn to handle it, not complain and cry about it. TH-cam isn't a kindergarten, TH-cam is a cruel place where only the right people get big. ----------------------------------------------- It doesn't make sense to me if the whole reason they remove the dislike button are for avoiding creator are getting hate from people and trolls. Because removing dislike button will not make the situation better. So there might be another reason why TH-cam removed the dislike button. ------------------------------------ [What could be the possible reason TH-cam did it?] Let's think about it, who got benefit from this changes? Corporation. Corporation cannot stop people from showing how bad their product / service is if dislike button exist, they cant sue people and tell people to remove their dislikes. So they told TH-cam to remove the dislike button. And "Small creator are getting hate" are the perfect reason to hide how they silence negative voice. If people dare to take any further action to show/expose the negative side of their product / service, they can consider taking legal action against them. -------------- [Conclusions] "Small creator are getting hate through dislike" is just a mask to hide how corporation silence negative voice. [More thoughts] Wouldn't surprise if one day TH-cam disabled comment section because it show the truth to people. And they will find a reason for it. This time it's "creator getting hate", who knows what reason can TH-cam give next.
@@WildWildWeasel really? Doesn't seem to work for me even WITH the "potentially offensive comments" filter turned on. It's likely pointless and probably filters out positive comments too. I'd just rather people take it out on a dislike button.
@@asmrplushpaws What he probably meant is not only youtube censoring police bots removed offensive comments but also creators themselves can just block certain words like "dislike", hence we will only see positive ones. I think this make onion skinned youtubers very happy as they monitor opinions 24/7 on their channel, its funny they can still see dislike and comments on hold containing "obnoxious" aka valid criticisms. This will hurt their snowflake feelings while manually removing negative opinions on their channel. 😂🤡
It does and the button will be rendered useless, so there will be no reason to use the button. Analytics for creators will be poorer, the algorithm will be poorer, quality of videos will get worse and misinformation will get worse too. Nobody I've seen or at least the vast majority of people disagree with this and the only reason is to protect disliked large creators.
2 years later and still important for every TH-cam user (and YT managers) to watch... One of these days, someone will actually use this feedback (I hope)...😢
Removing negative feedback from any control system causes the system to go chaotic. That’s not an opinion…that’s how math works.
It can help you learn from your mistakes. I heard about doing that in a podcast recently.
Maths*
Hey Dustin.... Poirier!
@@Mechail We american we say math no s
I agree 100% You should make an informal video like you did with the misinformation series.
This is anti-consumer. The next logical step for society would be to prevent us from being to able to negatively review products we purchased, or movies we watched, or restaurants we visited.
So many stores already do that.
Netflix did that
lmao what thats the last thing i want
This is the furthest thing from being logical. I am thinking about switching to another plateform. Toturial video will go to different plateforms and the quality of youtube video will drop massivly. Pretty much like communism in a way.
@@Turnpost2552 Oh I hope so. I hope we start seeing fierce competition from new user generated video platforms.
I felt Linus perfectly summed it up in his tweet:
"Imagine if Amazon hid 1-star reviews so you could send your feedback to the seller but no one else could see the product was crap.
Sounds like a super sensible move to me."
Linus formulated that sentence perfectly!!
really good way to put it 👌👌
Bro Linus is just perfect
wait, Didn't MB say the same thing?? 6:31
Amazon has blocked my negative reviews on a crappy product before.
From an education-seeking standpoint, removing dislike counts has made it near impossible to discern what tutorials are credible and worth watching and what tutorials aren't.
Its not that TH-cam dont know, they dont care. They only need you to click a video, not watch it! They can claim to their advertisers that you are a viewer even if autoplay has selected a video that you definitely wont watch
They just want to protect their political buddies that they cater to now. Been that way for a while with the search results benefiting them all the time.
@Kamaldeep Singh Vanced is another gpod one. I got extension for my pc and vanced for phone
@@azazaeldevile2506 vanced is now gone i think right?
@@tylere.8436 Nope, they actually just want to make more money. If you waste time watching useless videos you wouldn't watch if you saw the dislikes, thats more ad revenue for them. TH-cam exists to make money, it doesn't give a sh*t about politics or anything else for that matter.
Next thing:
IMDb is removing rating system because it hurts movie studios.
😂😂😂
😂😂😂🙈
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IMDB is savage! 😂😂 Especially the user written reviews.
😂😂😂
I agree, if TH-cam hide the dislike button, it will make the like and dislike function be useless.
Did YT already remove dislikes? Because I can still see them.
@@simianto9957 XD u on older version
or some glitchy thing with ur old device maybe.
@@killer_instinctz8696 Ah okay well I don't mind then
they did already, I don't see dislikes anymore while my cousin still does
it's just a matter of time, not "if"
from what I've seen, you can sometimes still see the dislikes if youre not logged in.
This is worst update from youtube. Likes and dislike ratio helps me to figure out if a video is fake or not.
Right? Like a tutorial or a download that could be virus
TH-cam loves to cater to the SJW's and snowflakes of society... videos getting mass dislikes?? CREATE BETTER CONTENT! don't take it personally that someone doesn't like the kind of things you output...
@@walterwhite6216 exactly!
@@_archer7101don’t make this political
@@Maxime4 To be fair, it probably politically driven as well. This of course would be detrimental for any political side as you want be able to see universal agreement on a video. Say for example, Joe Biden came out with something benefitting both parties equally. How would you know its equally liked?
“TH-cam is trying to give creators a voice by actively taking away their voice” -Bosh
That's just like santa loving you by giving you a charcoal
@@lalaj2887 thats still useful for art or lighting a fire no warm up
As an avid consumer of How-To and tutorial videos - I am sad about the disappearance of the dislike counter.
Never used a dislike on yours. Love them all
I know, right?
Now you'll have to use your brain to tell you if what is happening makes sense rather than rely on whether the video was targeted by a troll farm.
How's the Electric Hummer getting along?
@@fredfarrell exactly
Nice haircut
Imagine if Amazon removed the customer star rating just to protect the "mental health" of the sellers.
looooooooool. I would Never Shop On Amazon again then lmaooo
@@nonameqani1403 you shouldn't be using Amazon anyway. You should use eBay.
@@dystopiaisutopia I got scammed on eBay once. Amazon’s got reliable customer service fast shipping. Also u could get ur money back if the seller don’t don’t respond by just contacting customer support
@@nonameqani1403 You get your money back either way. It is just Amazon does it better and faster. It is a pain in the ass on eBay sometimes.
@@nonameqani1403 Ebay does the same thing. How did you get scammed? Did you go outside of Ebay to complete your purchase? If you use Paypal Ebay will back you up 100%. I've been on Ebay since 2008 and never had an issue.
Removing the “dislike” button just benefits clickbait videos.
and youtube rewind XD
@@nnlaau Lol I was thinking the same
That's a really good point.
Benefits unpopular figures like Joe Biden
Benefits unlikable ppl
Honestly, its poor decisions like this (by TH-cam), that make me wish there was a competitor. I would be more than happy to move to another platform that would allow users the option to freedom of Speech, and allow your VOTE to be counted regardless if it a like or dislike.
And yet you're still here, so they don't really care. People will stick with the platform regardless. :P
I wish a competitor for youtube did exist but it will never happen, youtube is just too big
Yes
The only problem is that youtube and google are the two largest monoplies in america. It appears that these governments love monopolies and pretend like they're against it. SMH
@@danymajr I agree... I'm going to get to the point that... I'm going to give everyone a "Dislike" with the comment of... due to the You Tube algorithm not showing the Dislike number... and maybe, just maybe, the Channel owners will start to complain to You Tube management to bring back the number system. After all... if they show the Like number, its useless unless you have something to compare it to like the "Dislike"... the sad thing is... its NOT the Channel owners fault, but they are going to get the brunt of it... its a shame.. and you're right, it is a monopoly
Agree 100%. Also, if TH-cam's goal is to improve creator's mental health, I don't think removing dislikes even helps. It just means that instead of getting bombed with 6,000 dislikes, you'll get bombed with 6,000 comments saying "you suck" "ratio" "L" "use me as a dislike button". That's worse because each sign of disapproval will be unique in its approach, and harder to ignore.
They will disable comments then
🤣 so accurate
Agreed!
The creator still gets to see the dislikes anyway, especially if they check analytics
@@SRC267 i never watch videos with disabled comment ... I know when comments are disabled there's something wrong in the video
Removing the dislike button would make people way more susceptible to scams and misinformation.
...which are a BIG part of youtube's revenue. Win-win for them.
Gonna make troll tech tips videos and pump it up with bot likes and disable comments
That is the entire point.
The dislike Button has saved me so much time NOT wasting my time on a Bs video.
We are all mad TH-cam
True
true
I really hope that youtube does something about it
But in the meantime there's a browser extension that can show the dislikes again
Just get the (Return youtube dislike extention) it makes the dislike button go back to normal and you can see the count.
Buddy's DIY I love your videos, and believe it or not the like/dislike ratio is what made me decide if the channel is worth subscribing or not, in which by the way was totally worth it.
8 months later and TH-cam is still ignoring actual creators input on the awful decision to remove dislikes
They're hoping they would forget and it's somehow working
Imagine buying something “popular” from Amazon without stars to find out it’s a knockoff of a real product, and thus scamming your money. Having negative reviews (or dislikes) is extremely important IMO.
That sort of thing would strongly make it so that I would not use the website. Like how are the developers at Google this dum.
The reviews are all fake and don’t mean anything at all lmao
@@Turnpost2552 you're still using their site, so they must not be dumb at all because you don't have many options.
YT Realized PEOPLE NOT BUYING K O R O n a & V A X SCAM and disliking that FAKE CRAP by 100s of THOUSANDS - THIS is THE ONLY REASON!
@@dibbidydoo4318 "because you don't have many options" You self owned yourself with your own comment.
Imagine if Amazon only published the 5 star reviews to protect the seller’s wellbeing.
@Adam Akmal will*
I was going to post the same thing about eBay.
@@HallaYourself Imagine ebay not telling you that you got outbid cos it might hurt you feelings lol
Exactly
I think they removed it in china due to Xi Jinping didn't get a 5 star review on his book.
Completely agree that vote ratio is very useful as a viewer to make decisions on what is worth my time. It’s also useful as a creator to incentivize making better videos. Brigading is a real problem, but as a computer scientist & engineer it’s surprising to me that there isn’t a better solution than “burn it all down.”
Can second this as a software engineer - how else am I going to know what code I can blindly copy paste off of TH-cam??
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT!!!! Thank you for that comment. @Stuff Made Here
Well there is but that's not what the goal is.
Its because of everyone shitting on Biden and how bad everyone really hates him. Not a single video is rated positive ever and they actively work to hide and change it
This point is incredibly important. Look no further than Steam to see that there’s something that can be done. Steam reviews will mark periods of “dislike bombing” or “periods of off topic discussion” it shows that even if a video gets decimated just having a little blurb showing that is was disliked bombed is not out of the question.
The biggest downside so far in my experience with the dislike button being hidden is when I click on a video and I see the amount of likes, I can't help but wonder "Is the 50 likes contrasted with 1000 dislikes? or is it 50 likes and 10 dislikes? I'll never know." Your first rebuttal point about not knowing if the videos is worth my time is the best one. Great point that the comments can be even nastier because now the people who dislike the video don't really feel like their vocie is heard. I like your idea to only allow dislike ratings to be posted for people who have watched a required length of the video (let's say 10% continuous).
Couldn’t agree more. Anytime I am looking for a tutorial or an instructional video the first thing I look at is the like to dislike ratio.
Yeah, it's a good feature that allows users to know if the video is scam/clickbait
Looks like YT wants to give the scambaiters all the opportunity to shine.
Jokes on TH-cam, I’m not updating my app so I can still know what videos are getting dislike.
@@RealJayNice not for long
@@RealJayNice hmm I don’t have any pending updates and my app still shows me dislikes. Weird.
I can't tell you how many hours I've saved being able to click off tutorials after seeing a weak like-dislike ratio, and having to waste extra time to check the comments individually will significantly increase time wasted and cause more frustration. And again, any video will a boosted amount of dislikes will affect creators MUCH less than what they will see in the comments.
I mean, can't creators hide like-dislike ratio's on their own videos manually? I feel as though this issue is a no-brainer.
Precisely.
I publicly like this.
100%
Even adding a feature to let creators hide dislikes on their channel while still showing likes would be fine, if you go to a tutorial and dislikes are hidden, assume it’s dodgy and find a different one
Thats the point. They want you to watch all videos cause of ads etc, more you spend time on searching that perfect tutorial more money you make for them. Simple. Evil.
Next, they will remove the comment section.
Apple's TH-cam channel: 👀
Lmao yea the comment section basically voids TH-cam's points
Well they delete most of my comments
We need need Video platform like TH-cam but with respect to audience.
ngl they should remove the reply function. Seeing how quickly reply chains in youtube comments devolve makes me lose brain cells
I have to admit that since TH-cam hid the dislikes my use of this platform decreased to almost zero. Beside Mr Marques I watch little to nothing else. It’s weird that Google didn’t find a better solution, like letting the content creators choose if they want to share the dislikes with the community or not. Weird solution to remove the dislikes and to simply ignore all the backlash afterwards.
This does a huge disservice to audiences like mine who use TH-cam as a study tool. Learning English as a second language is hard-there are a ton of great resources for students on this platform, but there is also plenty of content that is misleading, outdated, lazy, or just plain wrong. Why make it even harder for users to know what information to trust (or at least spend their time on) when you could just... i don't know... not?
TH-cam does not care about what you want to spend your time on. They just want you to spend your time. They don't care about the accuracy of information, if you need to spend 10 minutes to find out a video was not worth watching that is not necessarily bad for them. They also really would like to be more like the other platforms and be a recommendation engine as Marques describes it. It's easier to keep people on the platform if they only consume content you provide them.
Probably this feature will not live long but the fact itself that TH-cam came up with this and actually thought it'd be a positive feature is insane. Really makes you wonder what are the actual reasons they're doing it
This does seem to be the wrong way to go in a time when true/valid information is harder and harder to discern from fake. This whole thing seems lazy as hell. Why not make a behind the scenes algorithm that basically works like DDOS software, looking for dislike bombs and shadow blocking the downvotes to anyone but the offenders. You also give users a behind the scenes rating based on quality of their comments and rating history compared to others. So, this user downvotes every single video they watch? Well, never count their downvotes, or count it something tiny like 1/1000th of a dislike. Again, this approach by YouiTube feels lazy, they are throwing out more data, and abandoning the huge amount of self moderation the community does. Aren't they losing valuable statistics too? Puzzled all around.
Me have agree..very very me agree
@@Frank_Lee_Terrible It's for the advertisers. If you want to sell an ad or video about products you're selling, you wouldn't want it to have a bunch of downvotes even though your product is crap.
TH-cam being a search engine is one of its most valuable qualities
Love your thomas the train vids
I agree. And its one of my favorite points he made and completely aligns with how I use this platform.
However, I’m pretty sure TH-cam’s response to this would be “we own Google. Google is our search engine. Use the Videos filtering feature of Google for this from now on.”
I hate this change and I would like to see them make it right.
yeah
@@thecarmellofellow Google's search for videos and TH-cam's search for videos are sometimes almost completely different.
I really hope TH-cam doesn't go that route.
And the one thing TH-cam hates. They don't want it to be an unbiased search engine (as evidenced by the declining quality of search results and constant recommendations not even tangentially linked to your search in the results). They want it to be a sponsored content platform, where they push you the video, you watch the video, you press like, you watch next video ad infinitum.
Ironically, i dislike this change more than any that TH-cam has ever made
Samee
@Graham J this is exactly what I was thinking
I think youtube should add the dislike button on the video and on the comment. Imagine comment have dislike count.
Subsciptiom feed algorithm doesn't show all my videos now too. Why do I pay youtube monthly?? The app is bloated now too with useless content
Nothing is worse than Google+ integration
What an outstanding presentation! This was like a well prepared book report! And articulated fantastically without bias or excessive emotion. 👏🏻 You provided the facts of the situation, expressed the problem it creates and even suggested a compromised solution. Bravo!!! 👏🏻
For the record: I do not like TH-cam’s decision to hide the dislikes.
Great points, Marques, I agree with everything you say here. The like/dislike ratio is, just like you said, the first bit of info many of us look at to see if a tutorial or explainer video is going to be useful, relevant, or even that it will be correct.
Furthermore, if a video is more opinion-based, I might be more likely to want to watch it if it has a high dislike ratio, because that could indicate that the creator is expressing an opinion that is controversial or unpopular, which I find interesting.
True
Everyone should start leaving a comment on videos that says "Like my Comment if you Dislike the Video. " If that trend caught on, it would somewhat help to still give people a first glance view of the quality of the video and be a middle finger towards the TH-cam overlords.
@@ronski4059 Stuff like that would only be relevant on platforms such as TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, etc. I truly believe bring back the dislike count to the public would be the best decision TH-cam could make now.
FYI you can still see dislikes in incognito mode. don't tell youtube shhhhhhh
Agree but it's the same as comments how we cannot dislike them. Bring them both back
I feel like a dislike is one of the least hurtful ways for a viewer to show the content is lacking. I would take a negative like to dislike ratio over a weirdly specific comment pointing out how my video sucks because the spacing between my eyes is weird, any day of the week.
Pretty sensible comment for someone with so strangely distanced eyes.
And disliking, as well as mass disliking, can now move not just to the comment section, but to the flagging button! The result might be fear and self censorship.
Have you considered eye space surgery?
The like to dislike ratio also helps you to not watch bad tutorials
@@myownsite 😂
"other platforms also dont have a dislike button" would be like saying "cups also dont have a bottlecap, so bottles dont need one either"
Beautifully put
Well said
Actually, many people are requesting Twitter to add a dislike button. Their rationales is plain ridiculous.
wow
I would really like to see dislike buttons on other platforms.
"TH-cam is the only platform that listens to the creators"
Susan: I'm sorry little one...
"Other platforms don't have a dislike button"
Yes, but they should...
yeah, right?! thats what im sayin
like besides yt, i like how Facebook operates tbh, on fb people use the sad react as a dislike (if the vid is not sad)
All the other social media jest show the hearts which is annoying and the only way to tell something is not liked at first glance is the ratio of hearts to comments, or on Twitter there is „the ratios” sometimes
The dislike button is the only weapon we have to combat click-bait, inaccurate or prank videos which waste our time, and let other users know not to click. Please don't remove it.
@@iliyasshaikilu but not how many people dislike it. So no clue if it’s bad, inaccurate or wasting ur time. Because you have no information on how bad it actually is.
@@iliyasshaikilu did you not see the video mate?
@@iliyasshaikilu This is so stupid.
Of course it's an expression and people can dislike stuff because of stupid reasons like "oh I don't like your voice" but it also works as a rating system for the content (good or bad, true or false...)
For example there are a lot of tutorials here on TH-cam.
If I see that it got a lot of dislikes then I know that there is probably something wrong with the tutorial. The information can be outdated or the tutorial leaves some important steps out. A tutorial that has a lot of dislikes shows me if I should spend my time on this or if I should look for another tutorial about the topic.
@@iliyasshaikilu You must be joking.
There are lots of new SpaceX, Tesla, Elon channel with plain wrong information.
For eg. "SpaceX just invented nuclear engine", "Tesla unveiled new van", "Elon insane agreement with Putin".
View counts on these video are insane.
Removing the dislike button will waste millions of hours of humanity's collective time. I say, thumbs down on this one TH-cam
thats what they want you to spend more time on their platform its a maze
agreed
Wasting our time on useless video will make TH-cam even richer, which "justifies" the change.
@@valar9899 its been planned all along
You can still use views to likes ratio, but it's not as convenient.
I love how you don't just complain, but give ways to fix the problem.
You make a lot of sense Marques. Personally, the best way to protect people's mental health is by teaching them the skills to accept criticism and cope with bad things that might happen. By attempting to shield everyone from getting their feelings hurt simply distorts reality and reduces their ability to grow with improvement and resiliency. All the best mate👍
literally
1984
Well said chief
It’s called turning off the screen lol
@@cane870 no its called don't go on the comments section its all unprofessional
"He who hides from criticism deserves it the most."
Or She. 😂 jk
modern day leftists
At times, there are people who like to say they are offering criticism, when in reality it's passive aggression or selfish thinking.
What do you mean?
@@tarun1982 ok boomer
I definitley agree, dislikes are an important part of the platform, much more for the general user than for creators.
True
100 percent. I dont even use it so much for finding good or bad videos, but just the general feeling of the viewing audience so far at that time.
Like, I tend to like videos that have a little bit of dislikes, since it indicates that the creator isnt afraid to do something that might not be to some tastes, which is fine, sometimes i dislike things that are distasteful to me, but not out and out horrible. different strokes.
And more dislikes indicates a more controversial thing, again, not necissarily bad, there are videos i liked that have a decent amount of dislikes that I can understand why some would dislike, and I wouldnt erase those dislikes if you let me. as its informative of audience feedback in the forum. it kinda indicates more of a nuance that just giving one side of the coin (like).
I mean, there can be organized dislike bombings I suppose, but i dont think that danger invalidates the freedom and general utility of the dislike/like relationship gives to the veiwers as a tool of civil expression.
not necissarily the quality of a video. I find it one of the most useful and engaging aspects of youtube. Or if you dont want to put your name and profile out their with a comment, but still want to be heard and see what other peoples general sentiment is.
Like Marques said, its a great tool for trying to understand context
Dislikes have nothing to do with TH-camrs. It is purely political.
@@SleeplessSpecter …. I disagree. I mean, if the topic in the particular video is political or if they are in some drama, it could show that. but not every video is political. Like, I dont think a laptop reviewer gets downvoted for their political views unless they are really smashing it in peoples faces. And I find most polite political videos don’t get downvoted to hell either.
As a youtube user I find it very helpful. great way to gauge audience response, not nessiarily video quaity (though the two can often be related). And Like, i would say less then 5% of videos have liked/dislike abused.
Everyone should start leaving a comment on videos that says "Like my Comment if you Dislike the Video. " If that trend caught on, it would somewhat help to still give people a first glance view of the quality of the video and be a middle finger towards the TH-cam overlords.
I agree 100% I’ve actually found myself now using TH-cam about 50% less (I used to spend hrs on it). I mostly learn how to do various things and now I don’t know if the information I’m watching is accurate or helpful. This was such a stupid move on their part.
Hard agree, Marques. I am so confused why this would be removed. Seeing dislikes has saved me countless hours of otherwise wasted time… and it for sure does not make me watch LESS TH-cam, it just helps me watch better videos. In fact I’d argue that it makes me watch more TH-cam.
it's being done to protect the Biden administration and their talking points because his approval rating has plummeted
How do you really know that those videos you skipped were a waste of time? You didn't watch them.
Smaller channels or people with an opinion different to the masses can have valid things to say.
so f*cking true, I watch first the like ratio especially to the videos like getting a free netflix account. If its real or not.
I love you Garrett! 😄
And also, If the video is a scam video the dislike ratio will be a big red flag!
There's so many examples in the TH-cam history where a "content creator" wanted to scam their audience (on purpose or not) but the dislike ratio SAVED lots of people!
You know what hurts a content creator's mental health more than dislikes? Stress over whether their videos are gonna be randomly demonetized this time or not.
Yes omg. It's so stupid how youtube is combatting all the wrong issues.
@@risolotl2602 Completely agree. In fact I would say that TH-cam is doing more harm than good here. These are the kinds of things that stereotypically get dismissed as "SJW snowflakes that don't want their feelings hurt." There are plenty of real social problems (such as content creators' mental health) that get treated like a non-issue because influencial people and companies pander to these social problems in all the wrong ways. From movies and video games getting backlash for trying to shoehorn diverse characters into the plot by including one of every minority group, to SJWs contributing to transphobia by getting unreasonably angry on behalf of transgender people, resulting in an association between anger and transgender people.
I'm tired of real problems (mental health) being swept under the rug because of poor decisions (removing dislikes) taking the spotlight. Especially on a platform like TH-cam, which contributes more to the mental health decline of its content creators than the commenters ever could.
such a good take
Lmaoooo
My God lots of my favorite creators are affected by this bullsh
I wouldn't be happy if I decide to go to a restaurant that has 20 positive reviews online and 200 negative ones that were hidden.
EXACTLY
Best explanation ever!
Well that’s just very selfish of you sir - Have you taken a moment to think of the mental stability/state of those terrible restaurant operators when they have to read all those negative reviews? Tsk tsk
Same
💯💯💯
“Honestly, you’re all gonna get used to it pretty quickly.”
I can’t- 💀
All great points. I think the dislike button serves an important role in using TH-cam effectively. I don’t mind the dislikes as a creator one bit.
Yeah same here i dont mind the dislike button
youtube is just shit in general, they need to make another website to compete with them
@@user-zu1pe1di4r this might be the first step!
TH-cam messes up the comment section turns off mini player for certain video then add two more things two the screen preventing me for having more than 3 tabs now this ugh
this change is for the white house channel, any video related to covid 19 and of course rewind. also probably a sprinkle of disgruntled people with youtube connections claiming "hate raids" on their terrible videos
Thanks, TH-cam. I hate it.
If only there was some way to express my displeasure. A button, perhaps?
-LS
Agreed
All the brains at TH-cam and this is best they can come up with …smh
Literally even top creators think this is an ass decision
Agreed
LTT videos have high like ratio. Viewers can trust it. Meanwhile scammers want it gone so viewers don't know what to expect.
I agree with Marques - long live the dislike button!
Exactly 😂 😂 😂 😂
Love your videos
Love you😉
It will on your channel for sure!
You know I am just kidding. I love your videos!
lack of dislikes is actually frustrating.. I hope we'll have a youtube alternative soon...
Another important point: This WILL ALTER they way people use the like/dislike system! Now that people understand it's no longer useful to look at the like-dislike ratio, why bother contributing to a broken system? My disgust with YT is at an all-time high.
TH-cam claims dislikes still matter for content recommendation lol. Since when have you used the dislike button thinking about future recommendations?
Good, if you feel any disgust then you’re a disgusting person. What comes out of you is within you. TH-cam is taking the initiative to further the mental strength of TH-cam watchers. Having them speak for themselves and speak on their views rather than the views of others and using it as their own. People will no longer judge a video off of the like dislike video and have to read thought out comments or watch the video themselves. “Another important point” telling us that what you’re saying is important, thinking for us. “This WILL ALTER” telling us what will happen and putting it in all caps to make it seem like it’s going to happen. so glad I can see these flaws through comments rather than a dislike button
@@TheTruth-13 You disgust me. Making the world all "nice" is making it all "tolerant" instead of just. Want to know why sex offenders and murderers get the chance to reoffend? Because they're tolerated more than they deserve. If you utterly destroy a person or their rights, you forfeit your own. Don't want to show basic consideration? Then you don't deserve basic consideration.
Society and the world should base itself, its actions, and its self-worth on responsibility to PREVENT problems, but someone who rapes and murders a child gets an unhappy vacation in prison if found guilty, instead of being made an examples of by being horrifically and publicly destroyed or even used for medical experimentation. Their life should be made a living hell for as long as possible and society should be willing to do ANYTHING to them.
If people's mental health (happiness) is negatively affected, it's because they don't have what it takes to participate in a meaningful or appreciated way and are too weak and insubstantial to do anything but complain and shrivel up when others make it known. They can't or won't learn.
Enjoying the pandemic and global warming? Well, everyone was so focused on what's normal they didn't do a damn thing to fix anything or deal with the consequences of their actions. And big business and government went along with that, exploiting the weak, stupid, uninitiated and IRRESPONSIBLE for everything, knowing they'd come out on top while losers and the losers who tolerate them would pay through the nose for costly "solutions" to the very problems they caused themselves or were encouraged in by those seeking to take advantage of them.
Have fun going through the comments. I dislike you and the billions of people like you, but life is just. Nature isn't using a dislike button to clean up the planet. It's just wiping idiots who demand less public negative feedback on their work for the sake of their mental health off the fucking planet. Them and some people like me who are made to tolerate them out of survival.
You should be grateful for any feedback at all. It's a warning that is being removed by people nurturing the idiocy that is so common in a world that cares more about a happiness based on what's normal than on dealing with reality to actually get things right.
@MooseGoose “a way to communicate” you must have a primitive mind and can only establish communication through a button rather than a thought out response in the comments telling the creator what you didn’t like to give them a better perspective. But I can understand why primitive minds would rather hit the dislike button to confuse the creator on what they disliked. Lower forms of intelligence have a hard time understanding what communication truly is. They would rather be primitive and communicate through “good” and “bad” like cavemen
@Timothy J. Holloway 🥱🥱🥱 when you learn how to summarize I may read what you have to say. Your mind is messing and out of control. Loud and unclear
When people see a 98%+ like ratio they know they are (probably) about to watch some quality content. I work hard to hit that number. I work hard to make sure that when they click, they feel like it's worth sticking around because that little number tells them that this video is (probably) worth their time. And all of that is separate from the experience I have as a user, watching dozens of videos per day and quickly sizing them up in the way you describe in this video.
This really is an absolutely terrible change and I hope they revert it.
What if a video on a small channel has 9 likes and 5 dislikes... or 41 likes and 19 dislikes. Nobody thinks about the channels with smaller audiences and I find that kind of alarming since this change would impact those creators more than others if not implemented.
@@steph_4k it just means they made a bad video
Well said, holy one
Yo skill up what's up my dude. Some publications are posting new videos about halo infinite's campaign. You didn't happen to test out halo's campaign have you??😜😜. Loved your BF2042 video BTW
Now you don't have to worry about it. Just make shit content, people will only see LIKES anyway. Everyone are good no matter what, everyone's the king, you are all perfect and have no flaws!
I agree with you Marques. 100% support.
💪
Me too
i think even comments should also have dislike counter
i dislike that dislike is getting remove
@@ap-rw3mj oh they don't huh. This whole time i thought i was the first one always disliking comments 😅
You, sir, have been my favorite individual on TH-cam since first discovering you in early 2015, maybe 2014... And this is yet another reason why. Thank you for speaking up!
The irony of removing dislike counters to "protect creators feelings" but the creator can still see the number of dislikes anyway...
Edit- Great youtube creators removed their disliked video lol
dislike button as far as the average viewer is concerned doesn't work anymore so there will be no dislikes in a year or two.
@@MGrey-qb5xz im disliking every single video till its back
@@ldope3904 losing battle sadly
It’s a lie. They’re doing it for bigger reasons. I haven’t seen one comment on here about anyone wanting this. It’s coming from someone/thing with a lot of influence and credibility that they want to keep, but may not be warranted.
There's a free extension for the dislike button
This hurts education TH-cam so much, and the "algorithm" (Search & Discovery system) does not have the capacity to account for these bad videos in other ways. If creators still see dislikes to themselves, this doesn't "protect their mental health" and if it's such a big deal, they should just manually disable ratings themselves
Exactly!
Well said!
exactly, I think youtube wants to make more money :/
Just look at the comments bro. And also, It can totally help well being, People get on dislike trains and scroll to the comments to say mean stuff because humans SUCK.
TH-cam wants to get rid of educational content. They want to spread conspir4cies and h4te. No one watches 10 hours of English learning videos, but there are people watching 10 hours of videos how lizard men control the world and that 5G makes you pansexual. 🌈
Looking at the like to dislike ratio is the VERY FIRST thing I do. It saves me lot's of time. Disappointed in this decision :(
Agreed, high dislike ratio videos are always the best!
i actually never do
@@Kummituslinna except for tutorials and how tos
@@bloodhoug82 so if you want to learn something(I'm supposing and hope that you do that), you just spend time checking the video if the information is valuable or not? In 99% of cases the like/dislike is accurate and can't help you if it's helpful. But hey, if you don't value your time, this will be a good move for you.
@@EnigmaticLucas yes, because all that comments from the bots telling me to access a website to get free pictures of "her" are so so useful. Totally agree with you...
I really don’t understand why TH-cam could’ve just gave us the option to turn off just dislikes instead of just forcing this down all our throats
And as a creator, even when it might hurt, a slightly tipped dislike ratio on my videos is usually an honest reason to do better next time. It's not perfect, but removing the Dislike count makes both the like and the dislike button useless. Nobody is going to click the Dislike button anymore, thus hiding it behind the scenes is just as useless to both creators and the viewers trying to figure out good from bad.
Exactly
All because Uncle Joe gets disliked into oblivion
I love it when I get a notification saying that I got a new subscriber, it really makes my day, even my whole week ❤️❤️❤️
Tell people to like the pinned comment if they dislike the video, easy.
Facts
"Here at TH-cam, our main goal is to make sure everyone has a voice, except you, the audience."
Couldn't be more true.
The only TRUE reason they are getting rid of it is because they don’t want people seeing all the dislikes on the Official White House channel and CNN videos 🤣
@@jwahoski6248 it’s most likely for videos from corporations in general. That one Gillette ad from a few years back being disliked a lot or certain video game trailers being disliked a lot might not have been liked by a lot of companies and as a result they may have pulled some ads.
@@jwahoski6248 yes outlets which report bias/misinformation media have the most benefits from the muted audience
Spot on
This is the worst thing TH-cam did in ages.
I sincerely hope that they bring this feature back. Thank you so much for making this video! Hopefully more creators come up with videos like this and TH-cam listens.
I also hate it so much that I dislike every video until TH-cam returns it back.
The worse thing YT has done recently was to try to drown its users in AD's to convince them to buy premium.
Still don't have premium and use an ad blocker, but anytime I'm on my phone it bothers me to no end.
We all wish their was a better alternative to YT, but one hasn't become available yet so YT does what it feels.
@@Brotelho I live in a country where I have 0 ads on TH-cam, literally
@@curiousmind_ Adblockonia?
@@peacemaster8117 no seriously I don't get any ads and I don't use ad blocker or anything like that
having the dislike button viable to us all can determined what's a scam when it comes to helping a certain thing.
The funniest thing about the excuse they made about protecting small creators from hate is that the ratings can literally be disabled by the uploader.
Theyre defending Joe Biden and democrats
@@romanzmlv1458 No, they just don't want their new rewind video to have dislikes.
it's easy to fix this, just to Subtract dislike from like and it will be fine
Do they mean small creators such as CNN, MSNBC,The White House and so on. Not trying to be political but I see this move as if they're trying to protect them.
@@romanzmlv1458 please just shut up no one wants you to bring politics in it
TH-cam NEEDS a competitor. They can literally do what they want and we have no alternatives.
yeah
Insert Donald Trump. I think it’s called Truth Social?? Coming soon. It’s like these big corporations are trying to help him succeed.
We have Vimeo, but it lacks the massive user base that TH-cam has
@Right-wing SJW Sadly, this is most likely to be true. His track record in business does not point to the new platform becoming a success.
Agree
The biggest 'drop-the-ball' about this whole thing is that the creator can still see the dislike count at the back end...so if this move was aimed at helping creators mental health, how does this benefit the creator exactly?? Marques is 100% right on his assessment. As a creator you have to get used to other people not liking your content for whatever reason. It's a part of TH-cam.
So the one person that shouldnt be able to see it, by their own logic, is the only person who can still see it.
And of course, nobody is given the option to show the dislike count if they actually want the feedback. Everyone already had the option to disable ratings, but now you can't enable them.
Because less people dislike videos if they don't see the number. that's the whole reasoning behind it... :(
Good point.
I'd go further. It's a part of life, not everyone will like you or what you do.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I Love How MKBHD Bring Us The Problems Of TH-cam Videos,Bugs,Spams And All. glad That TH-cam is Trying To Fix This
I used youtube throughout uni to learn more about engineering, the dislikes really helped me find something that didn't work or was poorly explained, additionally when something breaks at home and its too complicated for me to immediately fix, I again use youtube to look for guides. Without the dislike button i may follow a flawed guide and break something more than it already is!
Tbh all of med and engg students survive becuz of utubes Like Dislike ratio. By removing it, they r literally taking our freedom of expression.
Agreed, I absolutely hate this decision, and hope it gets reversed. I use TH-cam as a resource for a lot of different types of learning/educational content, and without that dislike count, there will be a ton of videos that have a clickbaity title+thumbnail that will trick me into wasting time watching it just to find it doesn't have any useful information.
This is already an annoying problem on the platform, but usually the first 60 seconds, along with the like/dislike ratio, helps me determine whether to spend more time on the video or move on. Without that ratio, I might just get more annoyed and stop researching on TH-cam, and dig through blogs and forums more.
Exactly. It’s so useful when searching for a tutorial that actually works.
They should consider doing something like steam where a large influx of dislikes in a relatively short time will give a notice.
They should have rather done something about spams and bots
Yeah, I'm not gonna waste my time with watching educational videos on TH-cam if I can't see any sort of meaningful rating system.
SIMPLE STEPS TO FIND GOOD RATED VIDEOS IN TH-cam:
STEP 1 - Search content by using search bar in youtube.
STEP 2 - Click the three dot option in the top right corner.
STEP 3 - Select the "Filters" option.
STEP 4 - There you can get"Rating" option in the "Sort by" row session.
STEP 5 - Select "Rating" and then click on "Apply".
"SIMPLE RIGHT"
THANK YOU ^_^
And also when we watch click baity vedios youtube gets more watch time from all the users. But the user count will go down
Very touching that they framed this as concern for creators’ well-being, but it’s clearly being done to cater to brands. Surely big distributors came to them complaining about how review bombs have affected their optics and bottom line. Super cynical and insulting to present it this way.
Activision being one of them with their cod trailer and million dislikes
And political figures and Big Companies 🙄
@@comranw5465 Nah Activision made their video a LEGEND. No other video would surpass their legacy of dislikes and I hope it stays that way because it looks freakin hilarious.
@@Ye_Is_The_Way mostly the political figures.I guess they're tired of people bombing their covid propaganda 🤷♂️
I'm honestly amazed and discouraged that most people don't realize this. Its super obvious that this is all about brands, literally my first thought when TH-cam announced the change.
In every review form youtube has ever sent me over the past 5-6 years ive always said that dislikes should be more useful. being able to see at what point in the video the button gets hit would be a gamechanger and make it much more constructive! seeing if it's something you said/did, if people are immediately disliking etc. Not only does this change take away that valueable info from viewers, it doesnt do anything to help creators. we can still see it
i like this idea, the only place i’ve seen something like this done is on soundcloud, you can leave a comment at a certain point of the song to say what you think of it. or a lot of people will leave comments at the beginning/end of the song to leave a general comment.
Let’s be real here, the dislike counter removal is not really for “creators”. This is to protect big corporations, movie or game studios etc from dislikes on crap things that they do.
Forgot to add the mass dislikes that the White House videos of its current admin gets.
THIS
@@GraphicJ That. That is the real reason.
The only reason I can think of.
The ratio will indeed be a MASSIVE boon to shitty games companies putting out soulless or even abusive cash-grabs. They can now show their "thousands of likes!", because the MILLIONS OF DISLIKES are hidden...
I might as well make a scam channel and clickbait and use harmful links cause no one will see the dislikes 🙃
Lol
I still see the dislike count, so I could tell if it is a scam lol
@@Sartfla most likely they won't do jackshit because a couple thousand people are nothing to a company that literally in the s&p500
YT Realized PEOPLE NOT BUYING K O R O n a & V A X SCAM and disliking that FAKE CRAP by 100s of THOUSANDS - THIS is THE ONLY REASON!
And make TH-cam more money
Imagine if Amazon got rid of 1 star reviews. I'd drop prime in a heartbeat.
Imagine Rotten Tomatoes dropped reviews and started deleting negative comments. Oh wait.
in times where you can buy reviews (positive for yourself and negative for your competitors) to get in the buy box, that isnt saying much anymore anyways
I feel like youtube brought up a valid point and so did you. I feel like there is an easy solution by making it an option so when the uploader is editing and using TH-cam Studio the uploader can choose whether or not they want the dislike count to show for the viewer
I think this is just youtube hiding the fact that TH-cam Rewind has so many dislikes.
Jokes aside, good on you marques, i agree with you on this
nah, it's because dem administration gets way more dislikes and covid propaganda gets a lot of dislikes like mandatory vaccinations.
@@busimo that doesn’t make any sense. Politics of any kind have always been heavily disliked on TH-cam. A much more likely reason is that TH-cam is trying to increase watch time by preventing people from immediately clicking off of a video based on the dislikes.
2.5K youtube employees gave dislikes to this video after they worked on this feature for an year.
Same. That statement could just be an excuse to forward this decision.
Honestly the way they bring it up in the video, it’s very vague and kind of passive aggressive. We already know they’ll never admit as to why they’re so disliked, so why even bring it up?
The Amazon, Etsy, and Netflix comparison is spot on. Seems like TH-cam doesn’t really understand their niche or is trying to become the worst possible social media platform.
They already launched shorts, so they're definitely on their way lol
@@simondelacanal4543 And I'm genuinely scared because of this. Like, we need our TH-cam. What are we gonna have once it's gone? How will society learn things? The future where society is controlled by big corps officially begins
@@jsivna this is really sad and so true. I now feel like google should never have bought youtube. its becoming very unrecognizable. everything you said about the new office staff trying to score points with pointless suggestions is exactly what I've suspected. not just with youtube but with the pointless updates that NO ONE ASKED for on other platforms that make the user experience WORSE. I feel like we have little recourse when its such a big monopoly too..
TH-cam: Dislikes hurt the creator's feelings
Also TH-cam: Only the creator can see the number of dislikes
Very stupid ikr
@@Kxngmarky yeah
Now they are all alone with their pain and can fake smile in their videos even more. 🙄 Seems good...
did anybody catch (2:48) Marques saying 5 dislikes and 20 dislikes even though he was clearly meant to say 5 likes?
If it aint broke, dont fiddle with it.
Absolutely fuming and furious at the fact that they removed it. Unsubscribed from TH-cam premium because of it.
This is probably one of the biggest differences that TH-cam offer. It’s a non-biased platform, based on the reality and not the falsity of the other platforms. Removing the dislike button will remove TH-cam and its creator’s credibility. I really hope they think this twice.
Exactly. Just look at Twitter and the toxic war zone it’s turned into without a way to verify the credibility of posts.
TH-cam is most definentyl a biased platform. Looks like someone has had blinders on for the past 4-6 years.
TH-cams gone for years man.
They're removing the dislike to hide the truth about various things including how people truly feel about this Biden WH administration.
No different than deleting 1 million + videos for misinformation. If you can't get both sides of the story then there's no educated decision. Just more censorship. This is just sad.
The thing that makes TH-cam great is that fact that IT'S NOT LIKE OTHER SITES. You have no idea how many times I'd come across a Facebook, tiktok or an ig post and all I think is "how can I dislike this?"
exactly
Same
Totally agree 💯
Yup and I think they are doing it mainly because they want their viewers to watch the video no matter how many dislikes it have which means more watch time which means more revenue. So it's not user friendly but revenue friendly for both YT and the creators.
Then you're forced to shitposting in the comments
the like/dislike ratio is a major deciding factor for me with educational/tutorial/ how-to content. Educated guess here… removing it likely leads to higher watch time because I am forced to evaluate the video myself if I want that kind of content. I think they could target this issue better by focusing on the indicators that the problem is happening the same way they try to catch all kinds of other behavior without removing the feature.
Also instructional videos that are straight up lies or scams which could be really dangerous
loool i never knew why netflix had ratings on their in the 1st place, that shit negatively impacts movies, every movie deserves to be viewed with an atmosphere that is as clear from heavy judgement as possible, so people can arrive at their judgement about the movie without being heavily negatively influenced beforehand.
They practically said this in the announcement video. They said that when the dislike counter was removed in the videos they were using for the experiment, it didn't decrease viewership. Of course it didn't - people had to spend more time watching to evaluate whether it was worth their time or not. That's NOT a good thing. They're optimizing for the wrong metrics.
Yeah, TH-cam's goal isnt to help the creators but its "forcing" us viewers to watch the whole video.
@@Wesstuntube No, this is exactly what they want. Susan needs a new manicure.
Totally agreed and I hope TH-cam can reconsider the change.
They say they're doing this "for creators" yet I've not seen a single positive comment from a creator who thinks this is actually a good idea. They say that creators can still see the dislike count in TH-cam studio but their own research shows that viewers don't bother clicking dislike when the count is hidden so the count in TH-cam studio isn't an accurate view of how many people dislike a video. It also.makes the like button meaningless without the context of dislikes to compare it to. If I have a video with 100k likes it sounds like people must really love that video. But if that same video has 900k dislikes too, it becomes obvious that, actually, 90% of people hated it. You need that context for either button to have any meaning.
That's cuz obviously Google knows what's best for creators much better than creators do... Obviously
@@sakthimsg4136No, they're right. 90% of 1 million is 900k.
@@sakthimsg4136 nope, read it again.
Look at Shannon Morse tweets and you get multiple comments. She is also doing videos for Hak5. She and other women on the plattform have been targeted by dislike trolls
@@angeltysonswe are they targeted for no reason tho? Most of the time when I see dislike bombs it's for a reason(creator fd up real good, some controversial news, politics etc.). It's very rare to see that video is heavily disliked for no reason at all
They need to stop trying to control EVERYTHING. Another option is They need to leave this up to the content creator. TH-cam is just a sellout platform at this point.
Hiding ratings was already up to the creator in the past, this seems very overkill and ridiculous
It's all about control and propaganda wake up little kid! Do some research on eugenics.. At the end of the day they want us all DEAD
@@SOLIDSNAKE. Finally, it all make sense now, THEY (you know, not THEM or equally as nefarious THOSE) want you dead... which is eugenics... somehow. And the linchpin of this plan is to take our dislike button away. Of course! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I started reading your comment as but a child, but now, thanks to your wisdom, i am a MAN. Thanks for getting me WOKE.
@@mikeoxlong1395 your welcome your vaccinated right?
@@SOLIDSNAKE. Nah he's hydrated
As a programmer, The dislike button helps a lot when looking for tutorials that are good and helped people.
My first thought
And it helps with tutorials in general, and who to trust and who not tk
Seriously. There are so many videos that have a title that makes you think it's relevant, but then you find out it's not. The dislike helps you know in seconds if you want to invest time watching it
Hey I’m thinking about becoming a programmer. Do u recommend the job? What language do u recommend? I’m nervous to go into that job bc there seems to be so many variations of it
@@PickleRickSanchez what type of programmer
How is hiding dislikes improving the mental health of creators is the creator can still see the dislike counter?
I think removing the dislike counter is less about “well-being” and more about brain trickery… as he said, the ratio is a quick glance as to whether the video is worth investing your time in. Now, without a public dislike view, you’re forced to watch through it anyway, more ad watch time keeping you in a frustrating loop of money printing. Money madness is really gettin outta control now. We are the ink and cotton used to line their pockets, depressing, I know, but life isn’t about only being happy all the time.
Exactly, I thought it was only me, but all this freakin investment topic going on, all sugarcoated be it crypto or metaverse and nft bs is just going too far, people don't have anything else in mind other than moneymoneymoneeey. Maybe I just need to ignore it, but it hurts to see
Underrated comment!
Dude... you totally nailed it! Thankyou
@JG002 very well said
True
Removing the public dislike count has two main effects: protect brands/advertisers and make it easier to create feedback loops. Both ultimately will benefit Google revenue and harm users.
odysee is a new rising platform , a great replacement for yt
@@jeremyniels Thank you! 3Blue1Brown is on there, so it cannot be all bad! :)
I am an Asian so I dk about what's the advertisement of western country ,but I have to say that TH-cam advertisement just getting worse and a bulk of scam,a wealth of "successful people" teach you how to become success but just make sure buy my course,gamble shit and so on.
Never been so disappointed since I started using TH-cam like 2011 and witness the TH-cam just going down the hill ...
I hope I can see one day some platform with the function like TH-cam can take over the control and replace TH-cam
If we want them to stop making choices that benefit advertisers and hurt us, we need to start paying for our content.
YT Realized PEOPLE NOT BUYING K O R O n a & V A X SCAM and disliking that FAKE CRAP by 100s of THOUSANDS - THIS is THE ONLY REASON!
I am an engineering student. I always look for solidworks tutorials aka 3D modeling. A lot of the times some tutorials are bad or not the most efficient way of doing things. I always use the like to dislike ratio. After the new changes this will make it so much harder for people that are trying to learn.
TH-cam cares more about the market of mindless apes.
Same for programming
I generally ask my mentees to look up solutions to simpler problems on TH-cam because it way more beginner friendly and the like dislike ratio really conveys the credibility.
Looks like they'll have to directly to stackoverflow or geeksforgeeks from now on.
It sucks because it's a little daunting for beginner programmers to readup articles than watch a few videos
I totally agree. Removing the count just to help a content creators mentality is just babying content creators. It's doing more harm than good.
TH-cam has changed the way many of us accomplish things. Things like fixing my leaking faucet, my buddy fixing his truck, and my brother-in-law installing a tile floor. All of these were accomplished by searching TH-cam and judging videos based on likes vs. dislikes. I recently found a DIY video with more dislikes than likes. In the comments, it turns out that the guy drilled screws through a live electrical wire to hold it in place. Without dislikes, coupled with little to no technical know-how, people might actually follow this advice.
Good point lot of bad advice on some DYI channels. I would point out a video in which a creator endangered himself and others with such blatant safety issues can be reported for dangerous content
I agree with you. I think it’s fine the way it has been. Now we can’t really tell click bait videos by just the like ratio.
Totally agree with you. This is also how you realize a review of a speaker is just a commercial better than a review.
Yo facts, some of us on limited data
Can’t go around getting rickrolled
well.. youtube doesn't really care about clickbaits. Since every view equals a little more money, navigating multiple videos instead of 1 or 2 is probably more profitable.
That’s why I have started to prefer Unbox Therapy more. Pure tech review, no lecturing
I believe that's the point, if you can't just skip over a video by just looking at the ratio, you will have to watch it, making TH-cam money. By the time you have realized its not what you wanted to watch its too late.
Their biggest reason is protecting creator mental health - well I’ll still be able to see all the dislikes in TH-cam studio so does that solve anything at all? Terrible update, if my videos are getting dislike bombed it’s because I’m doing something wrong - it fosters better content. I hope youtube listens
"Terrible update, if my videos are getting dislike bombed it’s because I’m doing something wrong" Not always. Could also mean you're for example an LGBT content creator with a hate mob targeting you. Which we all know that's not who this update is for, but let's not pretend this never happens.
@@seeibe LGBT content creator are not the only ones with hate mobs, they sometimes even are the hate mobs, but I get your point and agree with you.
The fact that the dislike counter is not shown has proved to make less people click on the dislike button because they feel it doesn't matter and niether does there opinion!
@@seeibe lame
This just an excuse for TH-cam to get more good opinions and reviews about its site by removing dislikes view, like we all know that TH-cam has policies which impact content creators, for example the ads on every video policy, creators less that 1000 subs or who are not monetized this feel like there content is being taken advantage of by TH-cam to show ads.
All valid reasons! I hate that change as I am using TH-cam primarily for learning and if something is not good I use the like/dislike ratio. Now it's not possible anymore. It's like Google is forcing users to watch anything, even if the actual video contains misinformation or is straight up damaging. Hiding that piece of information could also be interpreted as censorship or attack at the freedom of speech. Terrible decision from Google. And lastly, if some creators are mentally affected by dislikes then they should not be publishing on TH-cam at all.
Also, this feels like preparation for this year’s TH-cam Rewind.
That's what I thought
AH HA!
There will not be more YT rewind...
@@sleptiq wait what?
@@mmehdymfard7172 Yea they announced a while back they aren't doing rewind anymore on their twitter
Yes, so much yes. Dislike should NOT be disabled for How-to and informational videos.
Hey! I agree. And I like your videos also. Keep it up!
It shouldn't be disabled for any video unless the creator does it themselves.
"Keep in mind, other platforms don't even have a dislike button."
Yeah, 'cus you just scroll through their crap. On TH-cam, you're spending multiple minutes to hours on certain content. It's not at all the same thing as scrolling through a picture or tweet. Dislike bombing is already preventable by the creator just disabling it on their video.
It so reminds me of when Netflix removed their rating system.. I typically just drop a lot of series or movies 'cus they're not interesting right away. Aside from outside recommendations telling you it gets better, having a like/dislike ratio or rating system tell you if something is worth your time is such a help to keeping people engaged.
Yeah, and other platforms just don't have the same content as TH-cam.
I'm not watching coding tutorials on Instagram... Realistically, it can only be done on TH-cam! And they're sometimes 5 HOURS long videos, so i would really like to know if they're worth my time...
Netfix brought back the Dislike button!!!
Excellent video. Love how you brought in both sides and of the issue. You are so knowledgeable on the subject matter and have a very eloquent way of explaining it. Thank you.
as a creator, I still want dislike button because I want the benefit not only for the creators, also for the viewers. Its really helpful and time saving tool
Likewise here. In fact, I actually enjoyed my first dislike, oddly enough. It meant your content was actually going into new places, including the wrong ones, but new places, nonetheless.
I bet $100 dollar they won't change it back.
About my thoughts on why TH-cam removed the dislike button.
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[Is removing dislike button a good decision for creator?]
Removing dislike button will not help creators, it will only make the situation worse. Once the dislike button are gone, people will only get crazier to comment nasty stuff or even make a whole video just to criticise the creator if the comment was disabled.
If that creator are getting mass dislike by people, there must be a reason people do it. Either it's the video just isn't legit, or the creator itself are a person hated by many for a valid reason.
Of course there will be trolls, but you can't avoid them by just removing the dislike button. They will find a way no matter what.
So no TH-cam you don't need to remove the dislike button, when people are getting hate from people, most of the case they deserve that. Even if they didn't deserve that, there is still no need to remove the dislike button.
TH-cam is not a kindergarten, people need to learn to embrace the toxicity people have, if they can't even handle the hate they have when their channel is small, how are they gonna handle the big amount of hate they get when they are famous?
Every famous people have haters, people need to learn to handle it, not complain and cry about it.
TH-cam isn't a kindergarten, TH-cam is a cruel place where only the right people get big.
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It doesn't make sense to me if the whole reason they remove the dislike button are for avoiding creator are getting hate from people and trolls. Because removing dislike button will not make the situation better.
So there might be another reason why TH-cam removed the dislike button.
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[What could be the possible reason TH-cam did it?]
Let's think about it, who got benefit from this changes? Corporation.
Corporation cannot stop people from showing how bad their product / service is if dislike button exist, they cant sue people and tell people to remove their dislikes.
So they told TH-cam to remove the dislike button. And "Small creator are getting hate" are the perfect reason to hide how they silence negative voice.
If people dare to take any further action to show/expose the negative side of their product / service, they can consider taking legal action against them.
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[Conclusions]
"Small creator are getting hate through dislike" is just a mask to hide how corporation silence negative voice.
[More thoughts]
Wouldn't surprise if one day TH-cam disabled comment section because it show the truth to people. And they will find a reason for it. This time it's "creator getting hate", who knows what reason can TH-cam give next.
We’re gonna lose the Thanos “perfectly balanced” video where we balanced the likes and dislikes on that video.
TH-cam: we're removing the dislike button to help content creators' mental health
Comments section: am I a joke to you?
We agree Marques and we think you are right about more viewers taking their dissatisfaction to the comments section.
Ye
@@piplupdabest yeezus
But TH-cam will still filter and censor your comments when they see them being negative
@@WildWildWeasel really? Doesn't seem to work for me even WITH the "potentially offensive comments" filter turned on.
It's likely pointless and probably filters out positive comments too. I'd just rather people take it out on a dislike button.
@@asmrplushpaws What he probably meant is not only youtube censoring police bots removed offensive comments but also creators themselves can just block certain words like "dislike", hence we will only see positive ones. I think this make onion skinned youtubers very happy as they monitor opinions 24/7 on their channel, its funny they can still see dislike and comments on hold containing "obnoxious" aka valid criticisms. This will hurt their snowflake feelings while manually removing negative opinions on their channel. 😂🤡
If the dislikes are still viewable by the creators, doesn’t that already defeat the intent of ‘protecting’ them?
I was hoping @MKBHD would have mentioned this. Seems super obvious.
No, because it disincentivizes the idiots who use it so freely which will eventually decrease the likelihood of it affecting creators in the longrun
Partly...i guess their logic is basically saving the creator from a public humiliation!
It does and the button will be rendered useless, so there will be no reason to use the button. Analytics for creators will be poorer, the algorithm will be poorer, quality of videos will get worse and misinformation will get worse too. Nobody I've seen or at least the vast majority of people disagree with this and the only reason is to protect disliked large creators.
Maybe they mean the fact that the dislike number is public? It’s still a bonehead move, in my opinion
2 years later and still important for every TH-cam user (and YT managers) to watch... One of these days, someone will actually use this feedback (I hope)...😢