Blue Bubbles vs Green Bubbles: Explained!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- Why people can't stop using the iPhone. And what should be done about it.
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ive heard the "android users get less dates" thing before. trust me guys, if they dont like you because of your phone choice, you dodged a bullet.
indeed
That's a pretty effing big bullet to dodge too.....
Damn man in my country iPhone is so costly that if a girl has one I would voluntarily back off as she would be out of my league.
Yea thats pretty trashy lol "sorry you dont have the CORRECT PHONE"🤣
And the imessege games...sorry if i wanted to play a game ill go play on my console lol
I love how Marques is actually aware of the international community and doesn’t just assume everyone is from America
you know you can view your viewer analytics right?
Thats literally his job he usually brings up outsiders most of the time, usually on his podcasts and stuff.
He always acknowledges us beyond the borders, and also you do realize he can easily look at where his viewership come from right?
POV: the replies are angry americans
yeah every other american youtuber just assumes that we don't exist
@@assassin9763 cue some science channels using bullshit measurement units that are only used in America and not converting to useful units
As an android user in the US, I've actually grown to appreciate the green bubbles thing a little bit. Maybe I'm just a contrarian, but I think that if someone doesn't want to be your friend because of your phone choice, then you really don't want them as a friend anyways. At this point it's just a filter for shallow people
Colocação perfeita! Estou aplicando o mesmo ponto de vista só que em apps. Se a pessoa não quer se dar ao trabalho de usar um app, que já está incluso em seu telefone, para falar comigo, então ela já está demonstrando meu nível de importância para ela. (No caso estou migrando do WhatsApp para o RCS no meu Android)
not necessarily shallow - Lazy could be another descriptor ;)
I've never heard of this being a thing.
Exactly they are just lazy dude if they can't switch to some app I don't know what efforts will they put anyways in a friendship 😂
Is it? As a European, I would freak out if someone texts me through SMS. That's not your fault, but I can't blame anyone not wanting to use that super old tech.
The saddest part is that young people are being cuffed into this apple ecosystem. The same young generation who's supposed to be tech savvy and extremely adaptable to change.
I am 15 years old and i am advancing to be more tech savvy
Hey hey. I just switched to a pixel 8 from being iPhone and iPod users all my life
Only in US.
Europe we have all sorts of phones.
@@HuskyminecraftFilms GG mate, you are escaping the matrix.
@@aperson_12345 proud of you my g, you don't get many tech savvy new gens these days, i myself am 18, and 99% ppl from my college don't even know how to switch the camera video to 60 fps
In Germany it is the opposite 😅 no one uses only iMessage.
It's WhatsApp, Telegram and Wire/Threema/Signal for everything
Den gleichen Kommentar wollte ich gerade verfassen Kilian
Threema, I remember the panic after Whatsapp was deemed as less "Private"
Hey Kilian - unser MKBHD im deutschsprachigen Raum auch hier! :D (auf jeden Fall was die Qualität deiner Videos angeht!)
facebook messenger?
you will use imessage to your close friend that used iphone too.. that the way..
Important to note, iMessage doesn’t turn the android user’s bubble green. It turns the iPhone user’s bubble green. Like it’s punishing you for having a friend that doesn’t use apple products.
You aren’t supporting them with word of mouth advertising
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You can have an iPhone and talk to another iPhone but if you don't enable all iMessage features your messages will also be green
Hi Scott! Fancy seeing you here!
Aren't they being punished enough by having a robot phone?
I consider the lack of read receipts and typing indicators to be a bonus. Nobody accuses me of leaving them on read, and I can't be expected to respond to texts instantly. HUGE benefit and I couldn't care less what color my bubbles are.
you can turn off the read receipt...and green bubble is absolutely disgusting. It's not as appealing and warm to the eyes as blue is.
@@eminex_jr5573 Apple freak alert. 💀
That's why Apple chose those colors for you.@@eminex_jr5573
@eminex_jr5573 im an android user and i unfortunately agree
@@eminex_jr5573 The reactions messages are annoying, but Android users can change the bubbles to literally any color (customizable to every person in a gc), change the background of the DM/GC to any color OR image, and change the shape and style of the bubbles.
Two years from now and Google announcing they've done everything they can to make RCS compatible iMessage. This video aged surprisingly well.
I live in the US and I never heard about this whole green vs blue bubble thing until an iPhone user in a group chat was complaining to me. I was like, I can make the color whatever I want to in the theme settings.
the amount of times I have been told to "just get an iphone" in response to my texts showing up green on their phones or limiting their group chat functionalities is astonishing. It's so refreshing to read these comments and see that this isn't a worldwide thing
@@xSkail Because like MKBHD said people in the US rather would use default messaging apps. And it’s true we do
i use an iphone 13 but if it werent for the persistence of my parents id be using thr pixel 6 pro
in my country, they make fun of you for using an iphone lmao
Part of my job is shipping cars across the usa and it makes my job 10 times easier when not having to deal with android users
Its amazing how people bully android users when this is technically an iphone issue
As a middle school educator, I’ve heard quite a number of students make fun of kids that have an android phone because of the green bubble. They would say their phones are slow, ugly, or cheap. It really is a problem.
Facts don’t care about those kid’s feelings unfortunately 😭
damn tuff
The from "think different" to "bully the different" arc.
Yeah. One of the issues is that SMS is so awful at data transfer, and so rare for kids to encounter these days, that iPhone-only kids don’t even realize that SMS is the problem, they think it’s the other person’s phone. They assume that the Android kid’s phone must be cheap, have a bad camera, not be very responsive, and so forth when it’s really the messaging service that’s to blame. From there you get into a lot of the terrible classism and shaming that kids get up to. So sad to see so much bullying around people’s phones
Apple did this by design. The blue bubble doesn't tell you something about the person sending the message, it tells you, you the receiver, that you are a special Apple user who received blue messages.
I never really thought seriously about this until recently. I usually just use the default chat app. It was only until my younger sister told me she has an iphone because she felt pressured to do so. Seemed odd, but it was even stranger when i found out the pressures were tied to imessage and the green/blue bubbles. That her generation actually ostracizes anyone for being "green text". It was just so alien of a concept to me.
As someone with no friends, I see this as an absolute win.
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I just love how Apple convinced people to blame Android users for this when this is literally 100% Apple's fault for not allowing anyone else to use their applications
Or to use the same communication protocols
Or just use an industry standard internet messaging protocol. We'd been doing internet messaging for decades, and it kinda all fell into two industry standards by the time iMessage came around. They could have just used an open standard and applied to have an extension added. Or they could have went with RCS, the successor to MMS, which is what Google did. RCS+ is the current incarnation, and it is the industry standard across the entire globe. Every cellular device that is not Apple uses it. Every single one, no matter what it is, has implementation for RCS+ for backend communication, even if the device doesn't support user chat. Except Apple. Apple specifically will not implement, in any way, the baked in supported messaging service on every cellular tower and provider in the world. Agreed on by the entire world. Every cellular carrier supports RCS. Every vendor that builds cellular receivers bakes in RCS support. It's free. Completely free. And Apple won't do it. Apple could fix this entire thing tomorrow by just defaulting to RCS for every message that doesn't use the imessage protocol. Instead they purposefully default to SMS and MMS. And the sad thing, the truly sad thing. At this point RCS is more feature complete. It can do things iMessage only dreams of because it's a hardware level supported protocol.
@someguy Oh. The number of rants I have on Apple refusing to use industry standard protocols just to lock people into their walled garden. Getting Apple products to work nice with everything else is a multi billion dollar industry. When the iphone came out employees wanted to use them. Sysadmins had to scramble to make that possible. Billions got dumped into anything which had a hope of making it all work. Now days it mostly all works, and no one thinks of it too much. But there's an entire infrastructure layer built on top of everything just so Apple can lock users into Apple product, which every company in America pays for. I have to pay a premium for software and licenses just because people don't want to give up their iphone. If you're an iphone user, you're welcome. I actively pay so you don't have a shitty experience on your shitty phone which refuses to work nicely with the entire rest of the infrastructure the internet is built on beyond the basic tcp/ip stack, which they still mess with. Oh. I have rants.
Similarly, they stick with the lighting charger for years when the whole industry is adopting Type-C, creating much more waste. Then, they don't give you a charger for more profit and claim such act is "better for the environment."
It's basically one of the most Apple moves of all time.
Wow, blows my mind as a non-American that this is an issue. Always interesting to hear about weird cultural aspect of countries though, even though this is a particularly crazy one! Thanks for the video Marques!
blows my mind as well and I'm in the US. i thought we left this whole iphone is the best and your not cool if you dont have one in the past. especially when they removed one of the most essential parts of a phone the headphone jack. you want me to blast my music to everyone around me in public? ok
@@bland9876 Word. As an citizen of Europe I was baffled to hear that people look down on others who aren't rocking iPhones.
Where I live, Android phones (mainly Samsungs) dominate the market. I'm guessing it's got a lot to do with price-tiers. Apple's cheapest offering is 400-500€ here and I know LOADS of people who won't shell out more than 150-300€ for a phone, no matter what specs it has or which brand it is.
So I'm positive things will stay that way unless Apple makes a seriously cheap phone (note: iPhone SE isn't cheap. It costs the same amount as flagship phones did many years ago. I remember the most expensive phone being around 500€ at some point and then it just got wayyyy out of hand when phones costed the same amount as dedicated gaming rigs and people expected you to change that in a a couple of years whereas gaming PCs can last ~5 years or so)
Android has more market share worldwide
@@Chertograad Tbf gaming rigs suck for making phone calls on the move, much as I keep trying.
@Teej Yeah, it’s a pretty irrelevant these days - most Android phones don’t have a headphone jack and Bluetooth headphone can be picked up for very little.
Thank you.
As someone from the Middle East and has seen different posts on Reddit regarding Android and iOS interactions, this video was very informative.
You also pointed out a good observation which is that one company shouldn't have all the communication
I particularly enjoyed the 'iPhones have better cameras than Android' pitch from my iPhone owning friends who tried to convince me to convert when I was clinging on to my Blackberry.
I took their advice, and bought a Sony Xperia.
One point that was missed was that Google didn't originally set out to make their own RCS servers. RCS was supposed to be run by the phone companies, just like SMS and MMS. But the phone companies didn't see any profit in it, and very few bothered to implement it. After a few years of no progress, Google decided to bypass the phone companies.
wow thanks for this!
Yep. They did it as a response to iMessage. They know the same things that apple knows about all this.
And even after a few years of RCS it's still the same problem mentioned in this video. Getting everyone to switch to using RCS is pretty much impossible. Out of all the people I talk to that are also on an Android phone only one is using RCS.
Google be like: "Fine, I'll do it myself"
I hope RCS supports sharing full size 4K video - this was one of the biggest annoyances with SMS but even on WhatsApp and Messenger, the video is compressed and not in full quality like it is with iMessage. It calls into question an era when S21 Ultras can record in 8K, yet there are very few messaging apps on an Android phone that can seamlessly share that video without crushing the quality and defeating the purpose of recording in high res.
I'm from Switzerland. The iPhone is about as popular here as it is in the US but our default messaging app (for better and for worse) is in fact WhatsApp. That's the messaging app that everybody and your mom uses and that you kinda have to have, especially for group chats. While I absolutely detest the fact that a service from Meta has become the de facto standard in my country, I'm still glad that we don't have a problem with school bullying over the color of bubbles - at least as far as I know
Yeah in Germany (your neighbour) its the same, all use whatsapp, cool people telegram and even cooler ( and probably weirdos) signal or god forbid threema. I dont like whatsapp but i find the idea of getting all my boomer relatives introduced to another messenger too troublesome (and then they all habe to convince their boomer friends etc.). So as digitaly flexible as I am, I use 3 different Messengers.
@@StarkWurst My gf and I wanted to give Signal a try, just to message between ourselves, but the app made the phones (both of them) super hot and drained the battery so we went back to whatsapp lol
Same in the Netherlands,i think that a majority of Europe uses whatsapp,or atleast the benelux.
Same in india
Same in Paraguay and South America in general.
Thank you for breaking this down so eloquently and articulately . As an elder millennial I was like ' wtf is even going on?!?' as if we don't already have enough legit conflicts, wars and battles going on in this world...
I saw this and had to watch it to see how you could stretch this subject into a 20 minute video. Very informative, great job!
I like how as soon as the RCS segment starts, the blue and green bubbles get removed from the background. That's a nice touch.
Yeah, amazing detail!
I noticed the T shirt switching to "nexgen" 😂
I thought I was the only one who noticed 😂
I'm happy that I'm not the only one that noticed
But they wont be though
I just listened to 20 minutes about text messages, and never felt bored. Your video format and storytelling are top tier - Not to mention the production quality, which is off the charts!
you must be new here!
Indeed
Highly and well edited content. That’s some brain candy.
Then try Technology Connections, too lol
Exactly. I thought I would check it out for a couple of minutes, ended up watching the entire way through.
Imagine not using whatsapp
imagine using whatsapp
jk (i use it to)
In Brazil, for some reason, you have to pay to use sms, so people don't even remember that the built-in message app exists, so whatsapp is basically the default, the first thing you download in a new phone
omg - you explained this so well! best i have seen so far. Wow - thanks!!
This is pretty interesting, how different cultures/countries/regions behave on that alone.
In Europe, I don't think I know anyone using their default messaging app. Everyone is on WhatsApp, Telegram, or Signal (or all of them)
The only messages I get over the default app are like parcel delivery updates lol
From the uk here, I'd say about 70% of the people I know don't use apple for phones most people here have a Samsung for e.g in my mid 20s and I'd say only 3 people in my friendship group out of 15 have an iPhone
The same for Latin America lol
I’m on an iPhone in the uk. Used to have a Samsung. I just use one of the 3rd party messaging apps. Like everyone else I know.
Seems kinda troublesome to me. Having to set up a 3rd party app and go through the trouble of a buddy list.
Same in South Africa except WhatsApp is really dominant
The bubble thing is so weird to me as someone from Europe where literally everyone uses WhatsApp and it doesn't matter what phone you have. I think more people use Android here these days too.
When Whatsapp went down I screamed aty WiFi box😂
Yeah I think Apple has like a 22% market share
I don't even know anyone with an iphone anymore. And indeed, WhatsApp has always been the standard here. I didn't know anyone uses the default message apps on phones at all lmao.
The fuck is whatsapp?
@@Helperbot-2000 r u. Being serious
That's interesting. In my work space at least people tend to groan when someone brings an apple into group stuff because it always tends to cause so many problems with all the other varied systems we use.
Your description of the messaging app wars reminded me of the IM wars of the late 90s/early 00s and how I just had to use Trillian to connect to all of them, because I couldn't get everyone on a single service.
It completely blows my mind that someone would turn down a potential relationship based on the color of their message bubble. Discrimination has hit a new low.
Well if you look at the psychology of dating. It's really interesting it's mostly driven by our caveman evolution. Men tend to value physical attractiveness characteristics because it's an indicator of ability to successfully rear a child.
Meanwhile women are more pre disposed to find wealth and other reasource gathering characteristic, as well a social status as a significant form of attractiveness. Because that shows you can provide for them during the reasource intensive process of growing, birthing, and nursing a child when they can't take care of themselves as easy.
There is a wealth of psychological data that shows women fairly consistently refuse to pair with men they perceive as either poorer then them, or has less social status then them. Not absolute but incredibly common.
And if there is a perception of Android users being poor because a lack of a green bubble. Well there you go.
I am also willing to bet its significantly more women then men stopping dates with the reveal of phone differences. Men care about boob size and hip width. Women care about money, and charisma.
@@imjashingyou3461 If you genuinely think like this I hope you never have to interact with other human beings in real life. Get help.
@@ekyanso4253 lol someone thinks he's funny and superior. I don't think in these terms. It's what psychology and anthropology studies done by Harvard, University of Wisconsin, University of Michigan, and a number of others have CONSISTENTLY shown and I have read them in the course of my time in college.
What different sexes find attractive in dating is driven by ancient evolution and the greatest ability of your offspring surving to pass on your genes. That's just not debatable and I'm sorry it doesn't line up with modern views on equality and morality. It's also not how everyone is attracted to everyone. It's on a scale and there are outliers.
There is plenty of research out there for you too read as well. Instead of leaving narascasisitic comments on posts about science.
@@imjashingyou3461 I really do not get how someone is gonna reject a person BECAUSE OF A RECTANGLE IN THEIR HAND
@@imjashingyou3461 all your claims on caveman brains and why we would instinctually seek those things are correct in a vacuum. I'm not arguing that we don't have drives or instincts, or that some people allow themselves to be carried by those instincts.
It absolutely happens lol.
My beef is that you then extrapolate that to the extreme, to the point you're essentially saying "men are pigs and women are gold diggers". I know far, far more men who love their partners for their personality rather than looks, and way more women who care about whether a man is kind and loving rather than their economic status. In fact most of the women I've known are cautious around powerful men because they tend to be egocentric or dangerous.
So to claim that women are the most likely to end a relationship based on a fucking speech bubble color is ignorant at best and just sexist at worst.
Switched to Android about two years ago and all my friends immediately made fun of me for having a green bubble. It was in good fun but definitely got annoying around the sixth time
Those are not real friends! Real friends not make fun of each other.
i would definitely make fun of you for switching to android and having green bubbles.
@@kemcolian2001 doesn't matter about someone's sex.
@@sandtanmaroon this why ur father left for milk💀💀💀
This chat thread gives off so many new gen vibes 😂
I will never date anyone who owns any apple products. They clearly have no idea how to spend money wisely.
Thank you for this vidbJust got my 1st iPhone @ 32. I was very comfortable with my Samsung or Pixel phones but felt ostracized a lot more over the past few years.
Apple: "We solved a problem!"
Also Apple: "That we created."
The first one would be "We are selling the solutions of the problem".
And this is why they're selling $1,000 wheels for their Mac tower
yeah it was the same with the removed headphone jack and then selling the adapter and the AirPods .-.
Sounds like a Futurama joke
marketing 101
As an adult, when someone tells me to just get an iPhone because of them ugly green text bubbles, I just shrug and tell them, "not my problem." I am now realizing that this is a harder issue for younger people dealing with being bullied and excluded from conversations over something so trivial.
You have no idea about how many connections and opportunities you’ve missed out on because of that logic
People joke about this. Is not serious
Yeh exactly. We used to care what people think of us when we were kids. As we got older we didn't give a shit.
This is just hilarious. I don't know any other ountry in the world that doesn't have a standard besides US. And is actually leading to social problems which is even more ridiculous
@@rwjisdabest1 so what kind of world breaking opportunities have your received?
It was the same "social pressure" when Blackberry had its message service with the PIN. People wanted a Blackberry to be "part of the wave" and to enjoy something that they seem to be missing (me included). It's normal, there are options out there and you have the freedom to try them.
I played lacrosse in college, and a few weeks into my first year my friend in the team asked me why I didn't go to a team event. I asked her what she was talking about and she said "you know the thing we all talked about in the group chat!" I said "what group chat?" That's when we both realized that I was the only one on the team not in this chat. I let the girl who made the group know that I wasn't in n it and she said she knew, she just didn't add me because she "didn't want green in the chat." That's when I realized how much I hate iPhones, solely for the exclusivity aspect and false sense of superiority it gives people.
I’m sure you’re from America
Damm, I hate iphones
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@@alejandr731 Me too. I don't want my money supporting this kind of BS and harassment
Wow, she could have at least told you about the event privately. I have an iPhone and I’ve never thought like this. I just like how seamless it is to text other iPhone users but I don’t discriminate lol
This reminds me about a time in college when I went to a conference in Philly for a nonprofit organization I was involved in. The organizers set up a group chat over iMessage to give all the participants updates about the activities that would take place over 3 days. Out of over 20 participants from chapters all over the country, I was the only one with an Android phone. I missed out on a lot of the features in the chat and trying to text back was a nightmare. The person I got assigned as a roommate was kind enough to pass over some of the information that was being discussed, but I can't emphasize how dystopian and isolating it felt to be there with all these people while feeling like I was outside of a bubble. The insight in this video was real 😶
Its things like this that make realize the green vs blue bubble thing is even worse than i thought😬
I’m not sure how you miss information in the texts.
Do you mean that people were replying to iMessages and it was hard for your follow a chain file replies because they aren’t linked together on android?
@@martinhawes5647 no they just flat out didn’t include him because his android phone would completely ruin the group chat. Even in my family group chat we only include those with iPhones. The sms experience is straight garbage compared to iMessage
Lol 😂 that's sad
thats horseshit- they should've used telegram
man I hate that shit...I heard it's the same in hair and make up in the film industry.
Just volunteered yesterday to try and sort out my family’s text situation and We’re 4 generations of folks spread out throughout the country and no one wants to switch to a GroupMe we made a while back. (You’re right about not wanting to switch/take extra steps.) 🤪There are multiple text threads due to member limit. I just want to get the same info to everyone ONCE!
15:33 apple when they see something that isnt proprietary to them: 😮😮😮
A while back I was working remote with a project manager using an iphone. As an android user his group imessages were genuinely one of the best experiences I've ever had. Never receiving a proper invite was a wonderful excuse to miss zoom meeting.
Lol
Lol I phone is for kids
Cool story bro
@@Eds-universes or older people? Iphones are extremely restrictive and hates you tinkering with it. So people dumb enough to misuse the freedom they're allowed in android and ruin the experience wouldn't be able to do the same in an Iphone
Are you being sarcastic, or was it really a good experience? Other Android users have complained about not being able to use iMessage-exclusive features when texting with an iPhone user.
As a non American (New Zealander) The iPhone surpremacy absolutely baffles me. Here a majority of the people I know avoid apple like the plague because they don't wanna pay out the ass when android has better value alternatives and an open ecosystem. If anyone were to care about the green blue bubble thing they are liable to be bullied, not the other way around. It's such a weird superficial thing that makes me even more confused about American culture
As an American, I agree it's absolutely stupid that people can get bullied for being the "wrong color", first world problems are so stupid
And you are sane and wise to be baffled! So good to hear. I was born here and find it ridiculous as I find much of American ways. Green blue bubbles, iPhone snobbery, 🍎 's slick marketing and gullible masses.
Smarter than Aussie's these days, slowly slipping into the iCult more and more
So I use an iPhone. But the biggest reason I use it is because it works so intuitively. The few times I’ve used android phones connecting them to anything like headphones, my car, using them for work, or just whatever they always seemed to be a little more difficult. Apple products just seem to work how I expect them to work. I’m not super tech savvy so I don’t want to have to put any effort into it. It does what I want it to do and what I expect it to do.
Dude... The EXACT same here in Brazil, 80% of our phones are Android.
That's why New Zealand > US honestly. :P
It's really unfortunate that Signal dropped SMS/MMS support. I used them for years for both regular texting and secure internet messaging, but now had to resort to my default android messaging apps.
Phone Racism
I love this video, didn’t realize this monstrosity was US specific. As a tech head I always thought this was ridiculous.
I’m the other way around. I kinda despise the WhatsApp monopoly. I wish we could pay for the product, not using our privacy.
People like to make drama from nothing.
@@MiesvanderLippe all of your personal info is already everywhere on the Internet. Nobody will ever be safe. Paying to text??? Fuck that, I'd rather give them my data
We have the same issue in Canada, so you're not entirely alone.
I didn't even know iMessage existed until this video
Very strange to see that SMS became even more popular in the US with the advent of the smartphone. In many other places, particularly the UK where I am from, third party messaging services made SMS practically obsolete for personal messaging, starting even before smartphones came along. This is because SMS messages were pretty expensive, could be around 15p per message.
The big difference is that in the US they had early free unlimited sms in their services(they weren’t cheap, but it was the only thing they could get). In Europe for most people it was way cheaper to use WhatsApp, because subscription to unlimited Texting was too expensive.
Same here in Brazil! Once 3G got cheape enough that everybody could afford it, SMS became totally obsolete because using Whatsapp was "free" while you still had to pay for each SMS which also was a worse option to communicate.
I usually text family or friends that I don't have on social media. Sometimes I'll chat with friends over an app. I'm not sure if America has a universal chat app that everybody uses except everybody already has sms on their phone.
Yeah, and even now it costs 50c to send an MMS in my country (NZ)
That's expensive. Here in the Philippines, our regular load, one peso per message without promo like all text or unlicalls.
The irony is- The iMessage app is in green colour 😂
This video is actually really interesting. I'm not from US, so I didn't know about this preference for the default apps and that would include iMessage. I live on Brazil, and the default messaging app over here is Whatsapp, with Telegram in second place. The reason for that is how iPhones are prohibitively expensive, even the cheapest ones. Not only that but a large amount of the population still prefer using smartphones which are over half a decade old by this point, sometimes more.
If people aren't gonna use super high end features like better processing and graphics and the old phones still do the essentials, like messaging, entertainment and light gaming, there is no reason to swap. And I think this is bad, because it means Apple and other companies are being left out. Brazil is the seventh largest population in the world and the most popular phones here are the really old ones and Xiaomi devices. Samsung tries to get a cut but only A series have any chance.
So yeah, iPhone is not very tempting over here, unless is only to have the brand on the back of the phone because there aren't any features the general public would prefer on iOS.
here, or at least in cali, everyone has an iphone
as a person from a country where virtually everyone and their mom uses whatsapp, its difficult for me to comprehend the scale of the blue bubble - green bubble problem. from a consumer perspective, apple should add rcs support, but from their perspective, it seems like they're better off not adding it because it strengthens their "walled garden". awesome video as always marques :)
What's Whatsapp
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how is it difficult to comprehend? mkbhd explained it perfectly in this video. are you slow?
It's basically a weird form of bullying / classicism / social segregation
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. That's the reason they won't do it until they have to. They won't profit from doing it and NOT doing helps the "walled garden" imagery amongst their consumers. To help you comprehend the scale of the blue/green bubble problem in the U.S., Apple/iPhone has like 40-45% of the phone marketshare here (that's total, not just 18-24 year olds), all of those people ALL use iMessage. Almost the entire other half of the country all use SMS/MMS, with a small portion of that (let's say like 10%) all split amongst people using apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, or Signal to talk to either other tech fans or people outside the U.S. (and all of those people still use SMS/MMS most often with their Whatsapp/Telegram/Signal use being secondary). So it's a very big noticeable thing here.
genuinely fascinated about the green vs blue thing as a US android user who never even realized this was a thing. def encountered the groupchat issue but it's usually not hard to find an app everyone can use instead when that does come up
Yea I mean there’s tons of social media with messaging in them
There's only 5 of us out of 13 or so in our group chat that don't have iPhones. No one's ever complained. I didn't even realize it was an issue. They make fun of us, which is expected. But nothing about the group chat. I do have an iPad but I don't use it for anything outside of Goodnotes and Procreate
Same, what's funny is android can react to messages and things as well. So it's essentially just iPhone only wanting to work with other iPhones while every other phone brand in existence has no problem interacting with each other lol
Now the group chat thing isn't even an issue. I'm in a company group chat with both Iphone and Android users (I'm on android) all the features he talks about in this works on the android side. Not sure what the apple experience is like, but mine is just fine
@@oxjuliaaaxo that's weird, I'm Indian so I may not understand but why is making fun of Androids expected?
As someone who owns a very recent iPhone and prefers Android, this has been one of the reasons I haven’t wanted to switch, and I think it’s stupid. Luckily there’s tons of apps out there that can ‘fake’ iMessage on Android and make people think you have the blue bubbles, which is great
What apps do you use ? I’m going to be switching to an android phone
@Natalia-gy8wy There's Beeper, which started as invite only just like Gmail did (may still be an invite-only thing). It combines messages from many different apps, even iMessage (which may require an Apple account to use in Beeper).
Quick question... Which came out first, was it the blackberry messenger or the iMessage?
I have an iPhone in the uk and the only reason I ever use iMessage is to play 8ball
Exactly
Yeah, I think iMessage is a North America thing. Most Europeans just use WhatsApp
@@MrKsk14 not just europeans dude, all the asia(except china) uses whatsapp as their default.
@@MrKsk14 how thinking people can use anything that's belong to facebook. I mean no offense by that's just putting a stick in a wasp's nest
Yea i lived in 2 different countries and none use the default
European here and you were totally right at the beginning of the video. Basically nobody uses the default message app here. We use a combination of Whatsapp, Facebook messenger, Discord and in rare cases Email/Gmail for all the messages we send. The fact that there are differences in the quality of the messages between the operating systems is absolutely insane to me. Also I've noticed that there is a separation in the use cases of each of these apps, for example older people mainly use messenger or whatsapp while younger people also use Discord.
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They are both amazing services. However, we need a third option. There should always be at least three or more options. I miss my old windows phone. A lot of people didn't like the platform, but I enjoyed it for what it was.
What was the default IM protocol on windows phones? Skype?
As someone who lives where the mobile operators made SMS and MMS ridiculously overpriced on all their plans, WhatsApp was a default before I even had a smartphone. So basically forever. No one in their right mind would risk a green bubble giving them an extra charge and Android is also much more common here as well
I have always been confused by it. Some people are weirdly intense about having blue vs green bubbles. It feels like one of those things that's just unnecessarily dividing.
kind of like people not wanting to date someone because of their zodiac sign. i laugh every time i meet someone like that🤣
It's more or less like "I am more wealthy than you, haha" kinda thing tbh
Sheeple gonna sheeple
It's the exact same as console wars. We are always gonna be divided over the stupid stuff. We just gotta be together for when the real shit happens.
Seriously I remember first hearing someone talk about this a few years ago n just assuming that they were 100% joking since I just couldn't fathom seriously caring about something sooo meaningless lol.
When I had an Android phone, people used to mock me when I would try to text a video to their iPhones. They'd make jokes about how terrible Android cameras were because the video on their end would look super grainy and awful as Marques showed in that example clip of his Tesla. I would try to stand up for myself and try to explain that the low-quality video had nothing to do with my phone and had everything to do with Apple's stubbornness around MMS and compression, but no one ever really listened. It's a sad truth for us American tech enthusiasts.
Seems like Apple fans are as stubborn as the company itself.
Unfortunate that Apple profits from keeping their users dumb about technology.
Yes
Yup
Apple is the very definition of a company that only caters towards their own consumers by locking them in to monopolize everything, which in my opinion makes them look bad because they simply look (and are) selfish, while Google and other companies try to push for universal options for things that all people use...I'm fine with Apple and phone model exclusives but basic things like messaging and calling should all be universally good
"Noooo, we're not monopoly, it's just convenience" *tearing soy jack face*
Thank you! Very informative 👏🏽. I
We need someone to get on an interview with Craig and say “Apple has always been about security, why support the old and flawed SMS format when a far better and more secure alternative in RCS exists?”
Why bother with RCS when we have an even better and more secure iMessage?
@@gfyGoogle because messages to users without iMessage are not secure.
@@gfyGoogle Because that's not compatible with any non-Apple products. If Apple really wants security, they should also want security when iPhone users message Android users.
Because me Tim Cock, me like money, me no like innovating. Money, yom yom yom. Buy more iPhone yom yom yom.
@@gfyGoogle Better only insofar as you trust Apple's handling of your data... Keep in mind that when iMessage data gets sent through "the internet" what that really means is "through servers owned and operated by Apple." And sure, Apple pays a lot of lip service to privacy, but how long before we either find out that they do occasionally take a peak or some third party manages to hack and skim the data followed by a phishing attack to get decryption passwords? (Exhibit A: American Boomers, many of whom are on iPhone.)
The idea that all this intimately personal data for so many users is stored in one place by one company should make you uncomfortable (or at least think before you type).
The irony of course is that the original iPhone wasn't even able to send MMS picture messages, while basically every other phone could.
Apple is always last to the party, but when they arrive they're just really good at making a splash. They usually do what they do really well.
@@DanielleLaShawn When you get put in a box, everything looks like it's amazing, only because you can't experience what's beyond that box.
@@ChrisWillsTV So true chris
@@ChrisWillsTV I wish I could shake your hand for this comment
i remember it couldn't even copy and paste, or have notifications like android. had the iphone 3g and the nexus one. always used my Android to do more stuff
Great video, I've had my first iphone (13 MINI) for 18 months now. I still hate it and can't wait to get back in an Android. Probably getting a Samsung Flip5 any day now.
I think for Apple to support RCS it can’t be run by google, for it to get support it’d likely need to be run by the carriers, likely as a joint venture, the carriers have leverage over Apple considering it’s where most of their phone sales go through and if it’s run by their partners rather than competitors it’d seem less like losing pace to the competitor. It’d likely end up being something similar to matter in Apple home, it has the main subset of features however there is certain features you just can’t get without the Apple way, for the HomeKit example there is adaptive lighting, HomeKit secure video, HomeKit secure router, etc.
I laughed very hard when he started to say, "well maybe an optimist would say Google could make a good competing messaging app..." knowing exactly where that was going.
I'm gonna be honest, my google based messaging app doesn't have any problems. But I also only send texts to singular people once in a while on it. Over here people do Groupchats etc. on Whatsapp, Telegram or stuff like that where you basically sending online messages crossplatform.
I mean Google has many times
They just have the habit of killing them off lmao
I was 5050 between the fact that they have made and killed, I think 7 messaging apps last I checked, or the fact that they also tried to develop RCS to little avail.
@@BassBanj0 Google: a trillion dollar company with some of the brightest minds and greatest talent in the world, and the attention span of a squirrel.
Yes I'm still salty about GPM
Yup. I remember that Hangouts phase. I was hopeful haha
Last year, I had to send a screenshot to one of my friends living in the California USA, she immediately noticed it was taken from an android phone (given the status bar), and she was baffled by it. She asked me why i wasn't using an iPhone, I politely replied Android is much more customizable and buying and iPhone costs as much as buying a new car over here in india. Instead of understanding the economical imbalance and differences, she poor shamed me for using an Android phone and poked fun at me for about 15 minutes, She wasn't even a kid, a fully grown up working class woman
And I've noticed this problem is only persistent in USA, none of my friends from any other developed countries gave 2 damns about me using an Android Phone
American people can’t understand the economic differences. They are growing up in bold houses with garages. Every family has a station wagon family car which can be bought for only 2000 bucks etc. The prices are reasonable because they produce anything. But unlike Most of the European countries there are lots of hillbilly kinda tactless people among them. Thats because there are lots of people from different countries creating new things for America It is like the capital city of Earth lots of non American people working for America. Except this aspect, the people in America is not much different than non developed countries. They are only powerful because of the collective interracial minds there. Most of the standart people are like I said hill billies or a bit more educated version of it.
I can guarantee you, that woman doesn't know shit about tech at all.
Its fucking annoying. Apple has quite litterally, made a damn cult, and it hurts. They actively manipulate people to create this.
If that was a reaction you got out of an adult, wait 'til you see what that does to a impressionable school kids.
@@6oLsh0i6o0z3 damn man .
In India WhatsApp is kind of default..
Our default messaging apps are basically incoming like, OTP's , Bank messages and other stuffs.
We don't generally text anyone on that
1 year after this, Apple announces RCS in 2024, way to go !
My perspective living in the US but being a millennial that grew up in Mexico. When talking about how predisposed people is to use the default apps on their phone, well not necessarily. This phenomenon of Whatsapp being used outside of the US was about timing. In Mexico WhatsApp was introduced before we had "unlimited texting" and of course before WhatsApp was acquired by Meta, so it was cheaper to send a WhatsApp vs a text, and because of this people learned to use the app. There was no predisposition because people wanted to save money, i don't know a single person in Mexico that doesn't know what WhatsApp is. People in the US just had and have more advantages that have allowed them to stay comfortable with their default option of texting.
Well said.
True, that's valid for my country too
I grew up in mexico and I remember using just what’s app for messaging sending media
Same for Jamaica.
he said most people in the US use the default apps on the phone
Always remember that the first generation iPhone that came out way back in 2007. Had SMS Messaging as the default texting app!
Great explanation. Thanks!
As someone who lives outside the US, this cleared up so much for me. I always questioned why people in America didn't just use WhatsApp
WhatsApp is a rest of the world thing
I wish Whatsapp wouldn’t butcher photo quality
Now that is owned by Facebook, no chance that many of us in the states will switch to it as default.
@@Smorfar fair enough
@@Smorfar what kind of WhatsApp do you use?
I like how he gradually explains things. It’s easy for mind to understand. The whole point of RCS and messaging is clear to me now.
Yes, the fact is most people won't care enough about this to know how RCS differs from SMS, iMessage, etc. They'll gravitate to the easiest method of communication that just works.
God forbid apple implements anything that isn't their own proprietary crap.
I use the default apps on my phone because I don't care enough to switch. However, I do use Google Voice for a number that I created for work.
I was around when SMS first came about. Yeah, I'm that old. Never bought into typing on a timy keyboard. Also, I don't expect people to have their phones close 24/7 so I'd rather call.
One thing about texting in the good old days was that you could send a text in the wee hours of the night and expect a response the next day. That' was because people left their phones in the living room or front hall. Now if you send a text at night, you'll likely wake the person up because people can't be farther than three feet from their phone.
Wasn't in the group chat at work for like a month because of this (thankfully schedules come from other places) but switching shifts or news, I was out of luck.
I used to work for IBM, and the blue vs green is interesting. Blue dollars were internal transactions between departments, while green dollars represented actual outside customers paying us real money.
Hm interesting, I wonder if apple took inspiration from this or if it’s some sort of physiology thing
@@mrED123 you mean color theory?
@@Screamer Maybe the safety related to colours, psychologically? Blue is the safest, green is safe, yellow is a bit of caution, red is a no, and brown or black is like danger, if I'm not wrong. This scheme of colours is widely used imo
IBM was founded in Endicott,NY and they put chemicals in the river to this day the chemicals are sitting there
@@degardonewborn8279 are these chemicals used to make frogs gay?
As a European, the chat habits in the US sound so weird to me. Here almost no one uses imessage anymore, whatsapp is the standard and the idea of being obliged to choose between a phone I like and being able to properly communicate with my friends drives me mad
Exactly, I never use/used iMessages, it’s ALWAYS Whatsapp here in Europe.
Think of it this way. Almost everyone I message uses iPhones. Why would I want yet another app for the random green bubble?
If you notice, it is WhatsApp that has this dominance that Marques is talking about...except for one country
@@lVlegabyte should be 3 green bubbles for every 10 people in a chat, and will probably become 4 or even 5 at this rate
@@lVlegabyte your iPhone is a communication device. Why would you limit its ability to fulfil that function? I have half a dozen messaging apps installed and I don't care which one the person trying to reach me wants to use.
As a non US citizen it baffles the mind that people use whatever application a company shoves in your face.....
Everyone over here uses WhatsApp, but even that doesn't come as a default installed on your phone...and if someone doesn't have WhatsApp (for whatever reason) we'll just figure out what does work for us to communicate. Takes you 10 seconds to download Signal or whatever and keep it rolling...The fact that so many people switched so fast when WhatsApp went down kinds proves my point.
US really a bunch of highschool popular girls hiding in the body of adults..... I feel for the freethinkers that were born there and have to deal with the rest of their peers.... I feel most for the free thinkers that choose Apple for legit reasons, instead of "but my friend wants me to have the blue bubble". Cause they actually made a genuine choice and will get lumped in with the rest of the sheep....
lmao tru
You are missing some important context here. In the early days of smartphones in the US, unlimited sms text plans were extremely cheap and data plans were expensive. Also, because of the size, terrain and lower population density in much of the US, internet access on smartphones was very inconsistent in rural areas for a long time, while sms text sent over cellular worked everywhere. This led to people preferring the default texting apps. Why would anyone download a secondary app just to waste their expensive data and not be able to communicate with half the pppulation which was still on flip phones? This mentality of preferring the default app simply carried over to today.
It’s not like Americans were like “hey let’s use the default app because it’s there and we are dumb.” For a very long time default sms was far superior to things like WhatsApp for a very large portion of the population.
@@Username-2 you do know that same thing applies to the rest of the world right? It's not like Europe was living in 2020 with freedom of internet and appstores while the US was stuck in 2001.
We also used sms for a very long time. Shit, some people still do.
But what we don't do is think less of someone just because they have a different colour text bubble when communicating. That's why I said ya'll seem like a bunch of "high school popular girls", because a segment of that group are the only ones who would even care about something so meaningless.
I know people in the US who've lost dates because of this childish mentality. That was my point.
It feels like one of those 16 yo losing their shit because daddy bought them the wrong colour Mercedes.
@@ssgtblackmamba7991 Actually it doesn’t apply. In most of Europe and Asia sms texting was charged per text, data was cheap and internet was readily available. That’s why WhatsApp and other apps caught on so much bigger over there.
By the way almost no one in the US cares about text bubbles outside of actual kids. People joke about it but I’ve never met anyone that cares really, and I’ve lived here 15 years. Those people you’re talking about likely lost dates because they are losers, and are just coping.
It’s funny the colors of the messaging apps both use is the opposite color of their color recognized by them.
The way Marques explained this eloquently while taking a realistic approach to the scenario was absolutely commendable!
My only issue is the part about Android users feeling ostracized. That's mostly just iphone users' perception of Android users. We don't feel ostracized. We mostly just feel confused about why some iphone users love Apple so much, when the company clearly hates them.
@@ChirdXtreme Don't think the company "clearly" hates us. That also sounds like an Android, Window's users' perception of why to use any other device than an Apple device.
@@TheGoman21 They make you pay extra for years old tech and laugh all the way the the bank. i.e. $800 for a 64gb RAM upgrade in the Mac Studio they announced today. Apple is extremely hostile toward their customers.
@@ChirdXtreme lol @ "extremely hostile". I'm a Pixel user and even I felt that was a bit hyperbolic 😂
@@ChirdXtreme it's so called "elitism", you pay extra buy you're the elite so you better afford it 😂
apple isn't hostile, it's just extremely greedy
7:50 - This is a real thing. In high school, I remember feeling left out of social groups, opportunities, etc. because I had an Android. Couldn’t be in group messages or FaceTime calls, and even Snapchat quality was worse.
Years later none of this matters now, but it is interesting to see how the exclusivity of the Apple ecosystem affects adolescent relationships and social environments.
Well I wish I could just someone to advise me..I wanna enter the smartphone market
And I wished mkbhd could give me some advise
Been trying to enter for years now
Have ideas
A lot
Hey mkbhd
I love your page
this sounds horrible, tbh
If that's a basis to absolutely abandon you from the group, you don't want them in your life anyways. It's a blessing in disguise.
Another brilliant overview.
as an american i laugh also because its a phone 😂😂😂😂 but the things people complain about never gets old😊
Thanks for explaining it so well Marques, I live in Australia and didn't even know this issue existed. Until I saw the waveform podcast and this video.
Edit: Thanks for all the likes, y’all are awesome.
This came out 15 minutes ago and is 20 minutes long...how do you know he explained it well.
i have already seen the waveform podcast which he explained really well, and am glad to see that he made it a full video. If you liked this video you should also go see the waveform video which was released a few days ago.
ok
pretty much everyone where im from just uses Messenger
@@MisterBoZiffer He watched on a faster speed?
For my lifeguarding job my boss didn’t add me to the group chat that we posted our schedules because he “didn’t wanna deal with the green text.” And half the time i was never sure of my schedule. And my coworkers always made fun of me saying i should just get an iPhone and the green text is soo annoying. Just made me realize how brainwashed people are here in the US. Long story short, I spent my next paycheck on a iPhone 💀
love the brutal honesty
its sad that you had to feed into that shit, i understand why you did but the situation shouldn't happen in the first place
I hope you are using iMessage minimally and letting people know about discord (or something) whenever possible.
Wow and lifeguarding pays like minimum wage lol. What a prick
That sucks. I will never get a phone that doesn't have an SD cart slot. And I noticed Apple's ecosystem BS early on so I stayed well away from then. Android forever, at least until something even better comes!
Just curious, was iMessage inspired by BBM? Sounds quite similar in terms of what BB achieved with its BBM
Yes it was
personally, green bubbles were among one reason that pushed me away from iPhone recently. I've been using iPhone for a while, though in general the sanboxyness of it is not something i like. Jailbreaking made it tolerable.
In recent years, Apple has been cracking down on jailbreaking, and iOS 15 had no jailbreak for its entire lifespan prior to iOS 16, marking the first major version of iOS to do this. I got tired of being 2 major versions (soon 3) behind on software updates, not to mention that it is a significant security risk.
The jailbreaking scene is also not as active as when i got into it, it feels like. The TH-cam app is really unstable when i have the tweaks to make it usable, and ReVanced looks really appealing.
I also find it more annoying to compile my own apps for, which i don't do often, but it's hard since you can almost only do it with a Mac, and surprisingly i've wanted to do this several times in total.
Recently, i got in a relationship, and my partner has an Android phone. I disliked the green bubbles for sure. And i've always wanted to try RCS. I don't believe this was "the straw that broke the camel's back", but it sure was another dry stick on the burning pile of Apple's bullshit. Apple having RCS probably wouldn't have prevented my switch, but i do think it would have delayed it. In any case, it would give me one less reason to switch.
The only thing i regret so far is Signal message history being impossible to transfer to another device (except if i manage to unlock the iOS Keychain, which i couldn't figure out how to do, it seems hard)
Sent from my Android with ReVanced.
i use revanced extended.
Yeah. I switched from Apple to Android and have experienced the resulting blue bubble backlash first hand. Apples aversion to work with other brands has ensured that I will never be buying their products until something changes.
Same here, Apple products are a horror show to me.
I often visit customers and business partners and with Apple devices I have to plan every presentation like a battle. An Android smartphone communicates with any computer, television, beamer, printer... ... At Apple I need an extra cable for every little thing, a special app, a subscription or I have to fall back on methods from ten years ago. It's just not practical and I don't understand where Apple's reputation for being so advanced comes from. It feels like 2010 to me.
Same. Went from an I phone 7 to an s20 plus.
What did you switch to? And how hard was it to switch? What are the steps because I’m thinking about it.
@@jinvid bro it aint hard to switch to the android
in my opinion android is a better os than ios
samsung s23 ultra has beautiful camera with 100x zoom
i hate ios system because it doesnt support third party software and file system is locked and you cannot acess it
Apple: People get bullied because they cant afford our Product and therefore cant participate in the imessage bubble, well sucks for them, we aint cooperating with anything related to Android, literally even If we had to erase a whole continent from existence
I started using WhatsApp in 2011... after I got back from grad school in Europe. I was surprised that my fellow Americans hadn't really heard of it. Of course, having family overseas (India, Pakistan) made it convenient for me - made it so easy to keep in touch with those family members.
Why not Telegram?
@@martinbetcler in 2011?
Yeah, WhatsApp technically had the first movers advantage and was always intended for the masses ( basic and simple) and that's the reason why there are more monthly active WhatsApp users than all iPhone users in the world.
Didn't know what that app was until like 2017 when my gf at time who was indian told me about it haha. Great app used it a lot for video chats
Looks like you were one of the people that didn’t get to the 11 min mark of the video lol
Most people use the default messaging app:
What’s App: I’d like to introduce myself
I (android) had a discussion with my mom (iPhone) about how phone contracts basically give out calls and texts for free these days and she said she found it weird that despite that we still use apps like what's app or telegram. I have lived literally the latter half of my life in the uk and not using WhatsApp/Snapchat seems so gar away... Weird even.
It's sad how Apple has reinforced classism and "otherism" among teenagers and young adults by making a distinction in the devices through (what has become) the primary mode of communication for a lot of people. I'm a borderline middle age dad now, but I even remember being judged by women on dating apps when we'd first connect and they'd say, "You use an Android?" as if the mobile phone I was using meant I was below them. I've also experienced the same thing in the professional working world. People who should absolutely know better -- and ironically, act very woke and progressive -- are super judgmental of those who use Android devices, as if associating with them means that it's a knock against them or somehow will affect their standing in the workplace or something. It's so f'ing weird. I hate it so much.
The funniest thing is that the smart women actually also use Android phones because the customizability is way higher. Not saying that "only dumb ones use iPhone", but that "the dumber ones typically do"
So, what you're telling me, is that the green speech bubbles saved you a lot of trouble and heartbreak. Cause these wouldn't have been keepers had the bubbles not existed.
Is it because dumb people can not use an android?!
You have more options on android.
And it's not always cheaper. I got the Galaxy S20 Ultra, which started off at $1400...
Ones not better than the other, they’re just different.
I love how many non-Americans watched this entire video. Reading the comments, I see WhatsApp has locked up the international texting. So green versus blue won’t apply to many. It’s not always the content, but sometimes just the person speaking we love. That’s why this channel has over 15 MILLION subs. Amazing. 👋👍
@Bob Wangson LOL good luck giving Apple your data.
@Bob Wangson Stop. 😒
@Bob Wangson Don't speak.
@@romxxii the difference is I would rather apple have my data than Facebook, the millions of dollars in data leak lawsuits kept me away from that
@@blizyon30fps86 There's no lesser evil both are bad. Bad is bad. Stop being biased. You only want to stroke your ego with that excuse of using Apple app.
In Europe young people mostly use primary Snapchat for send message and secondary WhatsApp.
WhatsApp get more use by people over 25 or by young people to write with parents.
This is also a major issue in Australia.
As someone from South America (where the iPhone is really not dominant compared to Android), I find it insane that people can get harassed and turned down from stuff simply because of a message bubble. Here it's not even an issue because everyone uses Whatsapp, even the iPhone users, but still.
That's really true I'm from India and 95% of ppl use Android I think America is the only country where you can get bullied for the phone you got
@@girishpatil7454 Here where I live iPhones are viewed as a status symbol since they're extremely overpriced for what they offer, even the older models that are long off sale on the main tech shops in North America.
@@girishpatil7454there was an Indian in a comment above this one that said that flagship phones are status symbols and can cause issues. And I know that in China that's also something that can happen.
@@Lee-fw5bd it's true but it is not as much as America tho I pray it don't cause problems because we are influenced alot by West
@@girishpatil7454 I don't really know if it's really "as big as in America" worthy. Unless you live in California, this sort of pettiness is really only semi-common for younger people. Like people who are currently 21 and under. I'm in my mid-20s and this isn't even something I knew existed beyond jokes about "elitist apple slaves" until very recently
Edit: I agree with you tho. Hopefully this dumb way of thinking doesn't spread.
Interestingly, the "default" messaging app in my country (the Netherlands) is WhatsApp. It's become such a norm that not having WhatsApp is like choosing to not have a messaging app on your phone.
Edit: oh lol he just mentioned that this is the case in a lot of countries
Same for Italy.
@@Metruzanca Same for south africa
Yeah that's also true for most Latin American countries like in Guatemala and Mexico
Here it's messenger
@@har5814 you cant just say here for all we know you could be in mozambique
Yeah it is really hard to convince people to switch their messaging app. In Germany WhatsApp is more or less the default and it made a lot of headlines regarding data privacy and many newspapers have written about alternatives that are better like Signal and Telegram. After that many people actually installed these but quickly switched back to Whatsapp. Now I have 6 messaging apps on my phone to be able to reach everyone on their messenger of choice...
So if I have an iPhone and I send a message to a friend, how does my iPhone know whether my friend has an iPhone before it sends the message? Does it send a message to query the recipient phone?
ya the switching default thing is actually a super tough process!! as someone who's been using whatsapp since the beginning, the recent wave of switching to signal over the data privacy issue with WhatsApp was the perfect example where people just made accounts on there but not even half the people actually switched their "default" and just stuck to whatsapp.
Yeah this happened to me too
This 'lock-in' is frustrating for sure.
Not only did I switch to Signal at the time, I pushed my entire company (at least in my region) to switch to Signal from WhatsApp.
I may have to poke the right people at my workplace to move the company from WhatsApp to Signal. Myself and my partner use it instead of any Meta owned chat apps.
Yep, moving people to Signal here too.
As a college student, I can't tell you how many times I have been made fun of for having green bubbles. I will never give in.
You're a brave warrior
Stay strong my one plus 8 keeps me happy
Well the others are the idiots.
What kind of clinically insane people are you texting?
I'm with you man! Stay strong. Love my galaxy s10e