Is NOTHING sacred?!! Warning - YOUR favourite artists ARE NOT safe!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Tonight we're taking a look at The Highwaymen live back in 1990 to see exactly what's going on!
Original Video - • Loving Her Was Easier ...
TIME STAMPS -
0:00 Intro
1:07 Performance
1:32 Analysis (Willie's Pitch Correction)
3:02 The Implications
7:11 Kris's Pitch Correction
8:28 Kris's Original Recording
11:03 1990 vs 1971
14:29 Willie's Lead Solo!
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This is why you keep your CDs and DVDs.
I have Cds from the 70s, 80s & early 90s...
I quit listening to music after the 90s, & watching television too
And vinyls from garage sales and pawn shops.
So true. I almost dumped mine after ripping everything to harddrive, but now they suddenly have a lot more value as being "authentic". Plus, they weren't maxed out on the recording levels, and I don't get ear-fatigue
@@Kat-I-am3333 -- You have CD's from the 70s???
@@trekkiejunk The music was copywritten then, cds produced in the 80s/90s
Thanks for not letting these imposed artificial corrections fly under the average listener’s radar, it’s noted and appreciated, and it’s important.
😱 Individualism is being lost. Changing previous recordings and pitch correcting them is going to ruin the music that we loved. This analysis, with the great visuals of the comparison of these unique and recognizable voices was very informative and easily understood. It's always a treat when you grab that guitar and show the techniques.
It's very sad 😢 to know that those who didn't get to hear them "back in the day", eventually won't be able to find non pitch corrected recordings/videos.
We should all save or collect vintage LPs pressed back in the day. Preserve for history.
@@universalassociates6857 ... and sign Fil's petition!
True. I don’t have a cd player. Or blue ray. So I guess I’ll never hear them. Does anyone know if it has been pitch corrected on you tube music? Or any streaming service?
Good question. Tough to know on streaming unless they list which version they use. A CD would indicate the year it was manufactured/ remastered. I assume that's when much of the pitch correction sneaks in.
I felt the same way about lossless compression vs lossy files, back when that began. I can hear that difference. Anyone should be able to hear the difference with this!
I'm guessing that all the vocals were manipulated. Who...WHO...thought they had the right to pitch "correct" these 4 men? They are literally, not just country legends, but music legends, period. 😢😢😢😢😢
I've seen 2 of their shows on PBS, including Austin City Limits, and they were fantastic!! I'm a moderate country fan, but The Highwaymen are my favourite supergroup. ❤️🇨🇦
Well, Kris could use some pitch correction.
Kris had the least pleasant voice of the Highwayman group. Waylon had the weakest voice. Willie & Johnny handled most of the leads.
@@johnsrabe Kris was never a great singer. He was and is a great writer. I consider him similar to Bob Dylan in that they wrote great songs best sung by others.
@@JB-ti7bl Huge L take, Waylon had the most powerful voice with the biggest range.
@@amcasanave it's fine if you don't like Kris or bob dyan, I personally don't like Kris, but to say they wrote great songs best sung by other people, just no. I actually like the way bob dylan sings, he's was a great singer, especially as a younger man, and I don't like people covering his songs.
This is why I buy second hand vinyl pre-2000s. No pitch correction of autotune.
Indeed! And, never part with them!
Pitch correction has been used since the development of multi track recording in 1955 by overdubbing the out of pitch vocal tracks. By the late 70s, engineers were fixing parts using the Eventide Harmonizer. In 1997 when Antares Audio Technology's Auto-Tune Pitch Correcting Plug-In was introduced it became more common again.
Sorry to ruin your day
@@jsegal8385 Very funny. So, ah, what were the out of pitch vocal tracks overdubbed with, jsegal?
@@jsegal8385 you know what I meant. And my day was fine thank you.
@@jsegal8385Not really.
Another great job on this one Fil.
As a musician, my feelings on this are that the people who are doing all this pitch correction are people who really know their stuff when it comes to digital manipulation. However, they're probably not musicians and couldn't carry a tune if it had a handle on it.
When they hear real music I'm sure they feel like they are having ice picks shoved in their ears because it is not 100% digitally correct.
However it is musically correct because it has the feeling of the original artist who recorded it.
I feel the same way about the old black and white movies that are being colorized. The ones who are doing the colorization have the technical skill and ability to color correct these films. What they don't have are the eyes and technical skill and talent of the original cinematographers who created these films. They knew the subtleties of lighting and contrast and how to make something that had no color become beautiful and vibrant and draw you in.
I agree with you that eventually the original performances and recordings and also the movies are all going to be gone. Replaced by digitally perfect imperfections of whatever they were.
As humans we are not perfect and neither are the types of art and entertainment that we create. That is what makes them enjoyable. By replacing that with digitally perfect copies you are basically taking the humanity out of whatever it is.
They like to use their expensive equipment and as Fil says, ‘snap’ the vocals to it.
I like black and white films, too. When I was a kid I wanted everything colorized but now I really like some of those old black and whites. Recently watched Phantom of the Opera with Lon Chaney on TV, it was 👍🏻.
Very well said ... and, great classic movie analogy! Yes, the people who are doing the pitch correction really know their stuff but do they know what they are doing? They are seeing music with their eyes instead of listening to music with their ears. The result of the digital manipulation will necessarily mean that the life will be sucked out of modern recordings, rendering 'voices' devoid of artistic expression and emotional storytelling. Do you think there are enough real music lovers and artists left in the world to fight back against pitch correction being the music industry standard? In other words, can Fil's vocal tuning petition have a serious impact when it currently only has about 10,000 signatures?
Well said !
@@elizabethmiller7291,
I wish that Fil would put a link to that petition in every video description. I know where to find it, and I signed it when he dropped that video, but I think more people would sign it if they could find it easily, in every video description. It’s important.
It only took the first line "I have seen the morning burning" to know this has been pitch corrected!!! I've loved Willie Nelson for decades and know his singing intimately. This royally stinks and MUST stop! Kris doesn't even sound like himself at all. SAVE US FROM TECH ABUSE!
PS: I have two DVDs, one with Willie and one with Kris singing. Sunday is movie night for me. I will be watching both movies tonight to get that hideous machine singing out of my head.
I could hear it immediately too and it's such a weird thing to alter voices like these.
I believe that if everyone knew what was going on in the music industry and fought against it, we could bring music back without pitch correction. I personally would love to see auto tune and pitch correction go bye-bye! I know you were born to be a rocker, but I believe you would make a great country music singer, too! Thank you for this amazing analysis, I love Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson!
I'ma rock/metal head generally myself but I honestly love something from pretty much every genre of music... except for the hip-hop of today. I just don't understand why these rappers think that sounding like they have a mouthful of marbles is cool because it certainly is not! As for Willie and Kris, they're wonderful! Add Waylon and Johnny..... totally phenomenal! The Highwaymen were a group of some of the...if not THE... greatest storytellers in country music and beyond! 💙👊🏻
@@jangles1839 I agree 100% with you! 🙂
Waylon? Friend of mine. Knew 3 of them. All great
Wow! How cool is that!?@@richardhudson9291
Fil I've listened to a lot of Willie's leads, and I've never heard one that precise. Sounds suspect to me. He's usually always ahead or behind the note, not spot on during an entire lead part. This seems very unusual to me.
Wish producers would leave performances alone and especially the older ones. I thought we were safe from the manipulation of these. If it ain't broke in the first place, don't "fix" it. Glad I have my old dvds. Thanks again, Fil, for this.❤🎸🤘
For me personally....on any live performance... I would rather hear all the "ugliness" or whatever you choose to call it, over someone being corrected by studio tools. That's part of the beauty of a live performance over listening to a studio album/recording that's meant to... and should be... perfect! I want all the warts and scars from the feeling of or actually being there hearing an artist! Thanks & God bless! ~ Scott 💙🙏🏻
Not ugly, just imperfect.
Agreed. Studio albums are like paintings and can include all the overdubbing the team thinks is appropriate. A live performance, OTOH, is like graffiti...drips and all.
Thanks, Fil. Those who think pitch correction is the way to go don't know anything about the soul of music. They need to leave the artistry alone!
Fil's crusade against pitch correction recall Siskel & Ebert's 1986 crusade against the colorization of old Hollywood movies. They almost singlehandedly discredited colorization as "cultural vandalism" and effectively put a stop to the process. May Fil be as successful.
Colorized videos tend to look like hand painted B & W prints: crap!
I wish I could feel that the colorization case is a good parallel. Adding colour, often very badly, was a blatant, instantly recognizable alteration. Pitch manipulation is far more insidious. I have been enlightened by Fil and wish I had kept more of my old records. Is the Simon and Garfunkel of my youth already being messed with? At least I think Bob Dylan will survive the tinkering!
Nonsense I had a Lazer disk player way back and the original King Kong colorized was awesome one of my favorite movies and even better colorized
One of the reasons behind colorization of movies was to cater to people like me (at one time, not now) who refused to watch black & white movies; they thought we might watch the classics at least if the films were in color.
I grew up on b&w TV and movies and was just sick of it, especially after most TV shows and movies switched to color. I've since learned more about movie making and movie history, and now love classic movies (thanks TCM).
But back then I skipped anything in b&w, yet would've watched those same movies if they'd been in color.
I would still like to watch real good quality colorized movies showing James Cagney's red hair and blue eyes.
That is like changing an old master painting. Willie and Kris are unique and that is why they are stars. It makes me very sad
I'm happy to be the proud owner of CDs, casettes, 8-tracks and vinyls with all the Willie I could ever want.
Thanks for pointing out that "pure talent is out, pitch correction is in" as far as the music industry is concerned. I appreciated how you explained how the application of pitch correction affects the overall artistic expression of the music. Paul Young said, "Music is the best form of communication" back in 1986. I guess the music industry cares more about manipulation than communication. Thanks for what you do and for being you, Fil. Rock on! 🎸
This just makes me cry.😢😢😢😢
I know what you mean. But, it's better to sign Fil's petition and spread the word about it far and wide as we need hundreds of thousands of signatures on it before it can have any real impact...
Once again they are ruining everything that we love about music. I immediately knew that Willie's voice was altered and Kris as well. As you said, they both have very distinctive voices and styles. They are singers that are what I call imperfectly perfect. That is what I love about them and all singers like them. You know, watching what you do for quite a while now I got to thinking after this video. You once said that they would have a hard time doing this to Elvis Presley. I believe you were right back then, but I am not so sure anymore. They are getting better and better at this unfortunately. They took WILLIE NELSON and made him sound GENERIC for Pete's sake! Kris too! I don't think anybody is safe anymore and it is heartbreaking.
yes even the elvis rca ones elelctronically reprocessed records a have a few always skeptical of so prefer the rca monos last cd i got of his was the soundtrack the searcher has both so who knows if altered in any way ps my dad flushing h.s. grad 53
We had this on VHS and this sounds different.
huh, weird. this song is not on my VHS.
Hi Fil,
The difference from when you played Kris Kristofferson in the studio version to the 1990 version was like night and day. The studio take had a much fuller rich sound. I did enjoy Willie’s guitar solo and thanks for demonstrating for us. Always love when you bust out the guitar! Your hair is looking beautiful. Thanks for doing this one today… Debbie☮️
His hair looked very nice! 🙂
Fil, I wish you were wrong, but you are right; this has been ruined, too. Willy and Kris, of all people, aren't supposed to sound like robots. Thanks for making us aware of the pitch editing even though it's depressing.
I've come to appreciate this channel, discussing this topic
This is disgusting. Willie Nelson is far from my favourite singer, but even I recognise that his voice does in no way need pitch correcting.
Agreed. BUT any singer can fluff a line when recording. Pitch correction has been used since the development of multi track recording in 1955 by overdubbing the out of pitch vocal tracks. By the late 70s, engineers were fixing parts using the Eventide Harmonizer. In 1997 when Antares Audio Technology's Auto-Tune Pitch Correcting Plug-In was introduced it became more common again
@@jsegal8385 You are confusing two different things, entirely. Voices weren't being erased and replaced with something else until about 1998.
@@elizabethmiller7291 You haven't read up on overdubbing, have you? When adults act like children, this is the result.
@@TehKaiser How does overdubbing of the kind that was happening pre-1998 CHANGE a voice into something that didn't exist previously? When the production team acts like they don't listen to music with their ears and only see music with their eyes, the result is that real, natural voices are replaced with computer-generated voices that are devoid of artistic expression and emotional storytelling. In other words, pitch correction sucks the life out of modern recordings. Now, granted, all of what I am saying applies to natural voices that are great voices and belong to singers who have put in the work to be great singers.
@@elizabethmiller7291 "replaced with computer-generated voices" NO.
The voices are NOT replaced. Just a pitch adjustment.
"pitch correction sucks the life out of modern recordings". Occasionally, only.
BUT Not always! And mostly does not. Do Adele's recordings. No. Are Celine's, Shakira's. No. Their studio albums/songs have some pitch adjustment.
Are many other artists I could mention, where you would say there's no pitch adjusting, but there is. Are also artists where some say have been pitch adjustment when it hasn't been.
Also, pitch adjustment is only done in spots in a song. Most of the song is as recorded with other production, mastering, mixing techniques used for final product. So, as most of the vocal is as was recorded (with those techniques used) & much of the song, in many parts, doesn't have pitch adjustment/correction, there's no "natural voices are replaced with computer-generated voices" like you incorrectly think!
There's no computer generated voices on 98% of songs. And the other 2% aren't even sold or downloaded much as it's AI. And absolutely no music industry nor commercial release of any popular singer & less popular ones uses AI. AI songs is only online, so far, and there's not many.
[*Note, I'm not referring to this specific Willie & Kris video].
(About the commercial/chart only song, ever, where a digital program was used to make a voice sound like computer generated was Cher's Believe. Voice was not "replaced" by any "computer-generated voice"!)
'Pitch Correction' is a horrible, & misunderstood word. Artists mentioned and for many others, pitch adjusting (not "correcting"!!) is done because it is better, for listening & people's ears when in digital format.
Yes, there's some artists where more work is done, but there's many were little has been done and it has been used, but Not for "correcting".
Also youtube audio is a really s**t place to get audio from, as many songs uploaded to youtube have had re-mastering done (which may use pitch adjustment, & decrease in the "top-end" as a lot of 60s-70s-some 80s do sound very pitchy.
The same production, mastering, mixing & other techniques were used in the 60s/70s, & in the 80s synthesisers (moog, etc) were being used, as well as other electronic means were being used. How do you think the effect on Peter Frampton's Show Me The Way was created, which altered his voice to sound like an instrument. People now, who don';t know it's a 1970s song, think it's computer generated. So, with your comments, you'd also have to say that vocal was "replaced" with "something else".
So it has only changed from using analogue & physical means, to digital means.
While the person said "over-dubbing" was used before pitch correction, it is not perhaps the best word for it. Multi-tracking is better description.
It is Impossible for vocalists to sing a vocal at exact same pitch every time (except a few singers can do it), so when multi-tracking (with old gear), one or more of the tracks will be speed pitch adjusted slightly. Adjusting speed affects vocal pitch, so effectively 'pitch correction' has been done.
On many Carpenters songs & quite a number of Beatles songs there's been 16 channels/tracks used to create the studio song. With 4 to 6 tracks used for the lead vocal/s. Do you think each recording of the same vocal would be sung at exact same speed pitch, and exact same vocal pitch everytime.
Particularly after doing many takes, & it's getting late, & everyone will slow slightly. So each channel/track recording is adjusted to match the lead track/channels 1&2. In analogue. So therefore "overdubbing" /multi - tracking is more or less the same end result as pitch adjusting.
There's websites where can listen to each individual channel/track, in a multi-tracked song. There's also many videos on youtube that show what was done, for a number of old songs.
No voices, at all, are "being erased and replaced with something else" like you think. When using Pitch Adjustment. (or if insist on the using extremely misunderstood term 'pitch correction' which I hate Phil saying/using).
All digital pitch adjusting/correction does is shift some segments only, of existing vocal to slightly different spot on or between the staffs/staves.
If you say current 21st songs, voices on youtube & elsewhere online are "replaced" vocals "with something else", then you have to also say same for many 60s/70s/80s, & particularly 40s 50s songs that are online.
Since many of those uploaded to the web (for & before the upload) had 're-mastering' which often includes pitch adjustments/correcting (if must use the lousy word "correcting" since was nothing wrong with the singing & mostly never was /isn't
Fil, you're very good at teaching me things, and simultaneously, making me sad.
Thanks for P C warning for NEW uploads of any pre-1998 performances -- in any genre.
I own a number of genuine 60 records purchased back at the time, with stereo music one side of the speakers would play music the other speaker would play voice. Many of the copies of today play a truer stereo sound but sounds little like the original. The music business are slowly destroying their own business, and one of the reasons is auto bloody tune, leave our music alone it is how we wish music to sound, that being as it sounded when first produced.
I was hoping “live” performance releases were free of pitch correction! You are spot on with your analyses! I love your videos!!
I don't understand why anyone would go to the expense of tuning 30+ year old performances. Who is asking for it? I don't believe it is music consumers.
Thanks, FIL. I think I'll go stick my head underwater and scream for a minute...
Love that guitar solo! Not everyone realizes what a master guitarist Willie is. Love him and Trigger! 🎶🎸🥇Thank you for highlighting his excellent technique.
I hate it ! Its stripping the character out of their voices. Although, I am curious to see if it could make Bob Dylan sing in tune.
Yeah, this definitely does NOT sound like either Willie Nelson or Kris Kristofferson. I can't figure out why people think this sounds better. Solo is definitely cool.
Fil, Excellent analysis! What I would like to know is what is the ultimate goal of going back to these legendary artists and taking all the originality and human aspects of their voices away ? Why is this being done ? Is the music industry gaining anything by ruining music from many years ago ? Are they on a mission to make everyone sound alike, and if so, why ?? 💜
Ditto!
Yes why auto-tune an established recording?
@@DonaldMerrit I am beginning to believe there is more to this pitch correction than industry standard!
@@veramilton833 The breakdown of mankind, in ALL respects & categories, not just music
@@Kat-I-am3333 Exactly right! To make it indistinguishable from AI 'music' - which Fil demo'd recently. Erase the human element.
Till musicians fight back this won't change.
This is the astro turf of singing.
or wallpaper for the ears ...
Love your analysis videos Fil. You’re such an accomplished young man, who’s opened my eyes to auto tune & pitch correction.
To my ears, as someone who was a teen in the 70’s, & saw many live bands, something sounded dreadful about music since about the 2000’s! You explain it all so well, so thank you for all you do.
Glad I still have my LPs, tapes, and CDs.
Great to hear how emotional expression breathes through the song Fil, just pure and strong ✌
I loved the Highway Men. Great group of old men. I love it.
Thank you, Mom, for keeping all of Willie and Johnny and the rest of The Highwaymen on original press vinyl for all these years. I had no idea they'd be lost to time in this terrible pandemic of perfection.
Always a pleasure to hear your explaination. specially the guitar bit. the pitch correction is madness.
The day the music died.
Thank God I have 50 years of collecting analog vinyl record albums to listen to.
As someone who heard Willie in Austin in the mid-1970’S, this makes me really sad. Kids today will never get Willie’s true personality in anything they hear from him.
i had the double family band vinly 76 gave to my nephew hes actually been on the rose a few times and met him i g.have the soundtrack double classic band from that era i get uncut had article about austin willie outlaw era marathon show jamming hippys rednecks everyone photo willie show a zillion fans there family band may have been his best ever diehards
Glad I still have a large collection of vintage vinyl.
I really learnt something from you today, Fil. I love that song, and that performance. At least the wonderful lyrics were unchanged!
Thanks, have a good week.
Excellent -thanks much Fil
I stumbled across this channel a week or so ago and now I’m addicted!! I’ve learned soooooo much in such a short space of time and as a vocalist myself, what I’ve learned has actually helped me to improve my vocal range/strength!! Thank you for what you do!!! You rock!!! 🙏❤️🤘💫
Ooh and if you haven’t already, could you please analyse the band Yes live! I was utterly obsessed with them as a kid and Jon Anderson’s voice was almost electronic, even back then!!! Crazy good vocals! Thanks again 🙏
They're out here somewhere!
Thanks Fil for this analysis and for pointing out the use of pitch correction comparing it to the original. Sad but on a brighter note I really enjoyed your guitar demonstration. 😊🎸🎵
This makes me glad I have so much music on original pressings on vinyl. I've always thought it was a bit silly to say vinyl "sounds better" than digital, but I'd much rather listen to the original music, warts and all, than these "corrected" artificial modern versions. It would be like going back and painting over a great work of art. It's really pretty mental.
This is so heartbreaking and aggravating!
I'm just starting my (probably very short) journey with song writing and production, and you have highlighted so brilliantly the need to retain the natural voice in recordings, so thank you. Not sure how I can request performances for you to look at, but I've recently found 'Sam Ryder - Tiny Riot (Live Acoustic)', and for a contrast 'The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Live on The 2021 iHeart Radio Music Awards)'. All the best, and hope you keep up the great work.
In the “live performance” of Chris, I would never know it was Chris couldn’t recognize his voice because it does not wander!!
I had the privilege to see The Highwaymen live in 1991. It was one of the best nights of my life. They were sublime live. Absolutely nonsensical that Kris's voice has been tampered with. His fans (and I'm one of them) have always appreciated Kris's "wandering voice". It is what makes his voice special.
My favourite Highwayman was always Waylon Jennings. I still have all my old vinyl records of Waylon dating back to 1963. There will never be another Waylon.
Thank you for doing this. You are officially the pp. pitch police. Love it. Lol 👍
Thanks Fil.
Technology has become superfluous. The God given talent from the artists of the past, don't need pitch correction, auto tune nor any other modern day garbage thrown at it. What a shame that the music industry can't even leave the past alone.
Modern day music is just as bad as the modern day technology behind it. God has blessed artists with a period from the music past, that shall never be repeated in the music industry.
A George Orwell and H. G. Wells collaboration. Going back in time to gaslight your memory of what is real. This happens to be my favorite Kristofferson song. I like his version on The Austin Sessions as well as the original. Of course, Waylon made a substantial hit with it.
The crappy news at the beginning was offset at the end by the great chords you got from Willie Nelson. Thank you!
Sad, sad, sad. Keep preaching Fil!
I love the fact that Willie’s jazz inflections are as wild on his vocals as it is on Trigger. It is sacrilegious to try to tame Willie and or Kris’s vocals. It’s vocal styling! It is the artistry they are cutting the balls off of.
Good eye-opening material!
Yep that's a shame. Thanks for the video Brother. Thumbs up ~John
What a sad and terrible state of the music industry. I am 66 and I can't believe how the music industry is ruining vocals I love so much. Back to my albums and CDs. What I don't understand is, good music is a thing of the past, people don't care for well crafted and quality sung songs. So, why pitch correction? I am a classically trained vocalist and started in a choir when I was six. I also have relative pitch. Pitch corrected vocals sound terrible to me.
I went into this saying "no way it's pitch corrected of auto tuned. But it was immediately apparent it was. I glanced at you Fil and you got that smile and I knew I was unfortunately correct. Why? Why? They are destroying music one note at a time. Loved the guitar analysis. If I could play guitar in the style of somebody it would be Willie. It is so beautiful. He took Django Reinhardt's style and went to places never thought possible musically. And Willie has said if he had to get a new Martin N-20 he would not be able to play like he has been all these years. Thanks Fil. That got my mind off the "Pitch faking and the auto "
Talent Nonsense.
HI Fil - I knew as soon as I heard Kris sing 3 notes that it wasn't his voice. I bought the vinyl in '71 and have gone through all the different media devices with this album. The reason I loved his voice, and still do is because he did have that story telling voice. The pitch corrected Kris sounds like someone else trying to copy him. This is a tragedy! Thankfully I still have the vinyl and have taken care of it.
When you know these voices and then hear the "corrected " vocal, you sit and scratch your head and wonder "what's wrong with their voices?" It's no longer enjoyable
A travesty that we’re being deprived of original performances but clearly it’s being done to condition us to how the corporations want music to sound. It’s the equivalent of adding corn syrup to all the processed foods. For me it makes all the old records and CDs I’ve collected even more valuable than ever. Whenever new versions of old music is released we’re told that it’s been remastered and marketed as the superior version.
Nice analogy. HFCS makes me sick. GMO corn makes me sick, and those artifacts in auto tune and Melodyne hurt my ears.
Good catch Fil. Willie Nelson blues bends his notes and combined with his timing skills make him a singer on par with all the jazz greats. His timing becomes a distraction without the slides and bends. History will judge this time in music as something akin to the Inquisition. Man, those pinheads who make these decisions sure must think themselves so clever.
I listen to a lot of music on TH-cam so thank you for keeping us informed on what is being done to alter their voices. Now if we could just figure out a way to make it stop for earlier recordings!
Get the CDs or vinyl before they are compromised.
@@DonaldMerrit I've been doing just that! And to think I was going to get rid of my cassettes from the 80s - not the best condition but at least it hasn't been tampered. My vinyl collection is slowly growing and I hope others are doing the same to preserve the past.
Thank God for my OLD vinyls.
such a pity.
Great information 2x👍
I am a lover of music but no musician. I recently found your channel and have been hooked. Having watched several of the videos you've produced regarding pitch correction being used on just about every artist, my question is where do we-simple fans-go to find/buy uncorrected music/songs?
I've watched the Highwaymen many times, usually on PBS, and it is fantastic! Whoever decided to "fix" it ruined it. They oughtta be kneecapped.
This is downright insulting to these gentlemen. They each have distinct and recognizable voices. Whoever did this has a lot of arrogance in manipulating their voices. Thank you for your analysis and bringing this to the awareness of a larger audience. Also thank you to the person who brought this to your attention.
I saw Willie in concert in 2002 at Billie Bobs TX, he was a machine and sang his best songs without a hitch it was amazing.
Fast coming to just playing my old untouched LPs,Cds
I really like Highwayman, bought several records back then which I still have and enjoy, I might even have this concert on DVD. To do this is outright criminal in my eyes. Talkning about the labels destroying the music business. Thanks again Fil for fearlessly taking the gloves off and showing us all what is going on.
I used to feel stupid for hanging onto my CDs but now I need to go visit the thrift stores and start purchasing more of them. This is disgusting what they are doing to their own industry. I hope that they keep the original recordings so that someday they can re-release them after this phase of altered voices passes.
I've said it before, and it is so sad that this is done in remastered releases of artists. With pitch correction and how else they can manipulate original recordings.
Willie has such a unique sound and they have the nerve to manipulate and automate removing all the things that make it GREAT. They are removing the SOUL from it.
I've been singing along with Kris since 1971, and suddenly I'm not.
I really like your t-shirt!
I have been a fan of these guys for nearly 50 years. Part of what I like about them is that neither of them exactly hit the notes they are aiming for. Willie because he is deliberately using his voice and guitar to make interesting sounds and Kris because he didn't have a voice that was good enough to hit the notes. It didn't matter has it was all about the songs and the authenticity of the performance. Seeing him on stage all in black, with just his guitar, was like watching a force of nature.
Thought you were FoS, but now that I understand that you are talking about online/TH-cam, I guess it's possible.
All I know is the version my spouse made me listen to back in the 90s, so I guess I'll live with those memories rather than watching anything new.
Thanks for the warning.
Great update as always Fil. Just letting you all know that scam still happening the one pretending to be Fil I just scroll past but I do report it as Fil did say to do that. Crazy these people.
I just read the comments to the original video sorted by date. It's weird how until yesterday everybody was absolutely gushing over that live performance. Nobody commented on the voices except to say things like "Willie has a voice that only makes certain songs beyond beautiful", "4 great singers but willie effort less voice class", "Willie u nailed it what a powerful voice.... Love ittt" (all literal quotations).
In contrast, over the last 8 hours the comments are:
"this weird robotic sound"
"it just doesn't sound right."
"They're stealing the soul from these wonderful artists."
"Why mess with greatness?"
"It's a bloody shame and disgrace"
"the very life sucked out of their natural voices!"
"How fucked up."
Apparently today everyone magically became able to tell when a voice has been autotuned.
I think you are negating the possibility that most people who listened to that original video - pre-Fil's analysis - are not aware of pitch correction being used so widely and many may not really know what Willie's voice sounds like naturally.
And, on top of that, those who are commenting post-Fil's recent analysis are more likely to be able to tell the difference between natural and pitch corrected voices.
But, the real point here is that anyone who listens to the pitch corrected vocals in this video is sadly missing out on all of the artistic expression and emotional storytelling that make up a natural voice. Or, do you think it is just a case of 'what you don't know won't hurt you!'?
Also, the reason for those comments post-Fil's analysis is an effort to bring the dreaded practice of using pitch correction on the voices of great singers to the attention of a wider audience of real music lovers. Are you ready for a revolution!? :)
Old CDs are going to be worth a fortune.
Glad I have some old vinyl of Kris
Thank God for my vynl collection!
2 thoughts I have... 1) people can do whatever they want. It's a free world. They can autotune stuff that was made pre-autotune. They can remaster and remix stuff. and 2) I don't have to like it and usually, remixes/remasters/autotuning sucks because you aren't really improving anything and more often than not, it is a step backwards. Hey, let's add more VERB to the lead vocal! I'm a studio engineer now!!!! Nope. The classics should just be left alone and history not rewritten by rich people who go hey, my son in law wants to remix Led Zeppelin 2 album cuz I'm a rich rat. OKAY! GO FOR IT! my 2 thoughts.
I felt the same way about lossless compression vs lossy files, back when that began. I can hear that difference. Anyone should be able to hear the difference with this!
I guess I could look it up, but I want to know how to hear the difference between lossy and lossless. Why does iTunes seem to push the “lossless” remasters, and not have the original album version available? So many old albums have disappeared from iTunes. 😢
In that Willie lick (and Fil’s playing of it), I hear some Dickey Betts in the iconic live version of One Way Out.
This was good. 🤘🏽🙌🏼 Auto tune came into play in 1997
Both of these guys have always impressed me as "genuine" and not phony types---what a shame that their music is controlled by soulless producers.
This is extremely helpful. I've loved Kris Kristofferson since the '70s and didn't understand what I was hearing lately. I knew it wasn't a cover but it still wasn't Kris. Luckily I have the old CDs.
It's a completely new experience to hear either Kris or Willie singing on key!
Thank you Fil for bringing all this nonsense to our attention. It’s the subtleties of pitch and timber of voice that we love of our artists. I hate hearing this manipulation and am really aware of it because of you.
One of my favorite willie albums is Face of a Fighter. Scary to imagine what they would do to that. There is no soul left in these songs that they "correct".
Been engineering and producing albums since the late 80’s….and…the Publison Infernal Machine at Royal Recorders was the first piece of gear that I used to sample and pitch correct vocals. However we could also vari speed the analog machine and bounce an out of pitch track to correct it. the incredible fidelity of the 2” MCI and whatever half track machine we would bounce the audio clip to would not produce audible noise floor for many bounces. Think early Queen albums with the vocal overdubs. By todays standards the noise floor on those individual tracks os stunning!
Folks in pre digital days who were composing and/or editing music on analog tape may have relied on archane tools such as razor blades, and can be sure we thought carefully before doing any edits!
The new tools make me feel slightly guilty, as I do so much more love artists who train, take lessons, rehearse and practice their artistry, over those who rely on tools to “fix it in the mix”. Suprise suprise vocal correction has in practice been absolutly routine since the late 80’s. Try and find a Publison now
Thanks Phil. I had no idea this sort of thing was being done. Very sad. Can anyone tell me what Willie & Cash are wearing around their necks? Is it a strap that holds the guitar up, or does it end in some sort of padding behind the guitar? (The colorful 'strap' that goes around their neck and down to the guitar. Willie's is red white & blue). I've only ever seen straps that go over the shoulder to the bottom & on the neck of the guitar, like Waylon is using. Thanks.
Now I never followed Kris, but I know Willie's voice. And watching this video it took me a few bars into the demonstration to recognize it as Willy. I didn't know who The Highwaymen were until just now.