This reminds of a tourney I played a few years ago. I asked a judge to check my opponent’s deck during a game before they had a chance to touch it…and it had 6 Nexus of Fate in it
I was super excited at first thinking it would be mono green omnath doing some shenanigans but realized 4 color omnath made more sense. Still a great game and showed the power of the channel lands at a critical point in the game. Also love to see MVC come back!
I'd love to see a video where the "about to end the game" build up in the music happens with a bit of a "wamp wamp" effect when the win attempt gets fizzled. If it happens every now and again, it can help with the suspense of it all
I have an idea for a series I’d like to pitch. You guys should do a series where you unban a singular card and play with it for 5-6 videos. Just to see what it could possibly do in cEDH. Not to make a statement or anything. Just gathering data.
@@evanczthehunter57 it goes without saying that lotus and the Moxen are not interesting. They’re broken and we know it. Power 9 for a reason. Here’s a list of what I’d like to see: Tolarian Academy (probably too good with dockside unbanned) Braids (as commander) Erayo (as commander) Gifts Ungiven Leovold (as commander) Panoptic Mirror Paradox Engine (the game is so different when this was around. What does it elevate from the lower tiers and what’s on top that gets so much faster) Prophet of Kruphix Recurring Nightmare Rofellos (as commander)
"Last In, First Out" rule in MTG. Player A casts Nexus. Player B copies Nexus while it's on the stack. The stack is now, from oldest to newest, Player A Nexus then Player B Nexus. The newest item on the stack resolves, and Player B gets an extra turn added. Then Player A Nexus resolves, adding an extra turn for Player A. As the extra turn for Player A is the newest extra turn to resolve, Player A takes their extra turn first. Them Player B takes their extra turn. I believe the confusion comes from the idea that "Player B had their extra turn resolve first, so they get to take their extra turn first." That is not the case, though, as everything in the game always occurs from newest to oldest. Player A was the newest Player to get an extra turn, so they get their extra turn first. I hope that explanation helps.
It's in fact spelled out in the card, if you think about it. "Take an extra turn after this one." Player A casts Nexus, then B copies it. B's resolves first, so B takes an extra turn after this one (before the next regular turn). Then A's resolves, and they take an extra turn _after this one_ - that is, right away, before B's extra turn. It's the same as with extra steps and phases: they are added to the list of turns/phases/steps exactly where the effect says they are added. If it says "after X", it means right after that, before anything else that has already been added at that point.
Normally I roll my eyes every time there's a Thoracle win(I get that it's the most compact and mana efficient wincon in the format right now, but it's long past the point of being boring to see).. But this game was such an incredible back and forth it was definitely a well deserved win
every game I've seen so far with that rashmi deck was just terrible :( such an obnixious deck, and no-one tries to even interact with it until it's too late and it's terrible to interact with. glad to see another deck won :D
What a great back and forth game. Looks like everyone at the table was the threat at some point or was close to going off. Not sure why people are so salty over the thoracle wincon when it's a great card that enables several deck types in cEDH. It's like saying you hate losing because your life total hits zero in casual commander.
It turned an already established strategy (labman and jace) into a generic dimir+ wincon that is almost impossible to interact with for decks that lack U. Not hating on the card, but I don't see how it promotes diversity?
@@TTXFLR6 Well you just explained it. It's a generic wincon. Any deck that runs blue black can run that wincon (or just blue in general) so basically you can run any colour combination or commander in those colour identities. If you compare viable cEDH lists to before thoracle then to after thoracle, you'll notice that there are way more viable decks out there than before. And it's not just due to more viable commanders or cards being printed either (most still run the old staples).
@@glacen I see it as the best wincon to run if your deck has UB (with very few exceptions), and the commander is mostly there as a different flavor of value. Now let's have a look at it from the other side, decks that don't play U. Those decks need to play niche cards to be able to reactively interact with the combo. At some point you will totally question your decision not to play blue simply because your deck can barely do anything against the combo even if it's "cEDH viable" or wathever. And this is because you never have the opportunity to interact with an almost unconditional "I win" line that happens on the stack. We can disagree but for me a wincon that is an auto-include and punishes opponent for not playing a specific color is meta warping and promotes homogenization. Interresting debate though but not on YT 😛 PS : I also play decks that run oracle consult.
@@TTXFLR6 I understand where you're coming from in regards to not running blue. However, I'd argue that decks that don't play U are basically in two camps half the time at high power cEDH, Stax or Turbo combo, and that it's not that those decks need U to interact with a Thoracle combo, it's the fact they try to rush out the game ASAP or slow it down to a crawl because anything that runs U regardless of the existence Thoracle can just interact with you on the stack, completely killing your chance of winning AND U generates a lot of card draw/card engine advantage so if you take too long without blocking stack interaction, you're gonna eat like 6 counters. It's certainly an interesting thought to see a non-thoracle meta. I think some channels have done games where they ban Thoracle wincons before.
The most recently resolved extra turn effect is the one which will happen first in the case that multiple extra turn effects are floating in the same turn. Wandering Archaic's extra turn happened after Chad's because it created the copy on top of the original.
This confirms it, Rashmi isn't a cEDH deck. It's the epitome of a Simic value engine with no win con. This is the only time I've seen void winnower and 2 nexus of fates cast without winning the game. Also, thoracle consult just feels bad after all of that interraction, but great game nonetheless.
I'm glad to see the "most valuable card" back.
I love it too
Ottowara is such a good addition to cEDH. Being able to bounce a card while being locked out of casting spells is amazing
This reminds of a tourney I played a few years ago. I asked a judge to check my opponent’s deck during a game before they had a chance to touch it…and it had 6 Nexus of Fate in it
Awesome! I love seeing Dante’s Tymna Kodama deck, easily one of the coolest decks I’ve ever seen. Keep up the quality content PWP!
Just so you know, Nexus of Fate doesn’t have a trigger. The thing that causes it to be shuffled in is a replacement effect.
I love to see MVC back.
And I'm not even mad to see Thoracle win
All of these decks are so awesome! Really love seeing Nymris and Rashmi
Glad you like them!
Ca-... Cal?
Thank you editor for the missed Rashmi trigger on Chrome Mox lol
I was super excited at first thinking it would be mono green omnath doing some shenanigans but realized 4 color omnath made more sense. Still a great game and showed the power of the channel lands at a critical point in the game. Also love to see MVC come back!
Had to pause the game to look at Noah's awesome playmath!
7:28 The little bit for missing Rashmi here is awesome
I'd love to see a video where the "about to end the game" build up in the music happens with a bit of a "wamp wamp" effect when the win attempt gets fizzled. If it happens every now and again, it can help with the suspense of it all
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Say it with me, Wondering Archaic is viable in CEDH👌
Nice to see cal finally win with nymris, I think that’s the third time he’s played it
I have an idea for a series I’d like to pitch.
You guys should do a series where you unban a singular card and play with it for 5-6 videos. Just to see what it could possibly do in cEDH. Not to make a statement or anything. Just gathering data.
But what cards would be cEDH playable that would be interesting?
@@evanczthehunter57 it goes without saying that lotus and the Moxen are not interesting. They’re broken and we know it. Power 9 for a reason. Here’s a list of what I’d like to see:
Tolarian Academy (probably too good with dockside unbanned)
Braids (as commander)
Erayo (as commander)
Gifts Ungiven
Leovold (as commander)
Panoptic Mirror
Paradox Engine (the game is so different when this was around. What does it elevate from the lower tiers and what’s on top that gets so much faster)
Prophet of Kruphix
Recurring Nightmare
Rofellos (as commander)
Void winnower? Now that's scary!
I will say that this is one of the only magic TH-cam sites that I’ve seen that isn’t promoting the soon to be for a little bit rival game by ban dai
can someone explain to me why chads was the first to take an extra turn even tho Cal nexus of fate resolved first ? who exactly does that work?
"Last In, First Out" rule in MTG. Player A casts Nexus. Player B copies Nexus while it's on the stack. The stack is now, from oldest to newest, Player A Nexus then Player B Nexus. The newest item on the stack resolves, and Player B gets an extra turn added. Then Player A Nexus resolves, adding an extra turn for Player A. As the extra turn for Player A is the newest extra turn to resolve, Player A takes their extra turn first. Them Player B takes their extra turn.
I believe the confusion comes from the idea that "Player B had their extra turn resolve first, so they get to take their extra turn first." That is not the case, though, as everything in the game always occurs from newest to oldest. Player A was the newest Player to get an extra turn, so they get their extra turn first. I hope that explanation helps.
It's in fact spelled out in the card, if you think about it. "Take an extra turn after this one."
Player A casts Nexus, then B copies it. B's resolves first, so B takes an extra turn after this one (before the next regular turn). Then A's resolves, and they take an extra turn _after this one_ - that is, right away, before B's extra turn.
It's the same as with extra steps and phases: they are added to the list of turns/phases/steps exactly where the effect says they are added. If it says "after X", it means right after that, before anything else that has already been added at that point.
surprised the bird wasnt mvc considering it drew like 40 cards between two players lol
Every game with a mvc makes a good episode
Awesome game. I really need to put archaic in a deck or 2
Haven’t watched the video yet. Guessing gymnastics/Kodak’s wins? That dude has been crushing it every time he’s on the channel.
Tymna kodama is love. Bring it!❤
Great to see MVC back, but is there any chance of it staying? 🤔
Yep! You’ll hear more on Monday!
I love Dante's deck. Its so resilient with so many paths to win.
All of a sudden Acererak is everyones favorite combo piece...lol
Nice game and nice finish. Cal fought for that win.
7:29
HMMMMM
Normally I roll my eyes every time there's a Thoracle win(I get that it's the most compact and mana efficient wincon in the format right now, but it's long past the point of being boring to see).. But this game was such an incredible back and forth it was definitely a well deserved win
Great plays Cal massive brain
every game I've seen so far with that rashmi deck was just terrible :(
such an obnixious deck, and no-one tries to even interact with it until it's too late and it's terrible to interact with.
glad to see another deck won :D
What a great back and forth game. Looks like everyone at the table was the threat at some point or was close to going off. Not sure why people are so salty over the thoracle wincon when it's a great card that enables several deck types in cEDH. It's like saying you hate losing because your life total hits zero in casual commander.
It turned an already established strategy (labman and jace) into a generic dimir+ wincon that is almost impossible to interact with for decks that lack U. Not hating on the card, but I don't see how it promotes diversity?
@@TTXFLR6 Well you just explained it. It's a generic wincon. Any deck that runs blue black can run that wincon (or just blue in general) so basically you can run any colour combination or commander in those colour identities. If you compare viable cEDH lists to before thoracle then to after thoracle, you'll notice that there are way more viable decks out there than before. And it's not just due to more viable commanders or cards being printed either (most still run the old staples).
@@glacen I see it as the best wincon to run if your deck has UB (with very few exceptions), and the commander is mostly there as a different flavor of value.
Now let's have a look at it from the other side, decks that don't play U.
Those decks need to play niche cards to be able to reactively interact with the combo. At some point you will totally question your decision not to play blue simply because your deck can barely do anything against the combo even if it's "cEDH viable" or wathever. And this is because you never have the opportunity to interact with an almost unconditional "I win" line that happens on the stack.
We can disagree but for me a wincon that is an auto-include and punishes opponent for not playing a specific color is meta warping and promotes homogenization.
Interresting debate though but not on YT 😛
PS : I also play decks that run oracle consult.
@@TTXFLR6 I understand where you're coming from in regards to not running blue. However, I'd argue that decks that don't play U are basically in two camps half the time at high power cEDH, Stax or Turbo combo, and that it's not that those decks need U to interact with a Thoracle combo, it's the fact they try to rush out the game ASAP or slow it down to a crawl because anything that runs U regardless of the existence Thoracle can just interact with you on the stack, completely killing your chance of winning AND U generates a lot of card draw/card engine advantage so if you take too long without blocking stack interaction, you're gonna eat like 6 counters. It's certainly an interesting thought to see a non-thoracle meta. I think some channels have done games where they ban Thoracle wincons before.
Cal should have 2 extra turns right? The 2nd nexus of fate didn't pussy extra for the wandering archaic
10:38
The most recently resolved extra turn effect is the one which will happen first in the case that multiple extra turn effects are floating in the same turn. Wandering Archaic's extra turn happened after Chad's because it created the copy on top of the original.
That is quite an unfortunate autocorrect/typo.
Its about time for Slicer, Hired Muscle to enter PWP
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what a game
Spoilers
Does this show the power of wandering archaic or remind you why you don’t put it in your deck?
8 turns and the landfall deck put out 2 lands. 🥺😐😮💨😑
Interesting game till Oracle of lame again. 🙄
A well-timed, albeit late-game Thoracle win is just as good as a turn 1 Thoracle, as Cal would know hehe
This confirms it, Rashmi isn't a cEDH deck. It's the epitome of a Simic value engine with no win con. This is the only time I've seen void winnower and 2 nexus of fates cast without winning the game. Also, thoracle consult just feels bad after all of that interraction, but great game nonetheless.
The latest gameplay episode would like to disagree ngl
Another awesome game tainted by a Thoracle win...
Boring ending. Thoracle isn't fun.
Notice you keep mispronouncing Acererak.
Thoracle wins are so boring.
Finally "the most valuable card" is back