I can't stress this enough, the principal is MERLIN FROM THE FREAKING SWORD IN THE STONE, that guy can SEE THE FUTURE, it's not like he wouldn't have believed the girls if they said they're from the future, Merlin would've known and he would've helped, there was no reason to steal the book
Audrey being imediatly forgiven in the third movie coud also convey the idea that you are allowed to behave badly if you feel forced to and it's harder to ignore than this song
What I got from D3 was that it’s okay to go evil asking as your in the right crowd. Hades had it right. When the villains do bad it’s unforgivable, but Audrey does it and instead of being banished she’s forgiven. Disney doesn’t do a good job at delving deeper into morally grey storylines and Turing bad characters good. I always felt bad for Audrey because Mal & Ben never gave her an official apology and she was done dirty. Her boyfriend publicly leaves her for a villain, and marries her too. Even when it’s proven that the villain is doing something evil. (Mal later changes) still doesn’t change what Audrey did as bad, you can argue that she only went off the deep end because Mal & Ben never treated her with kindness.
I never noticed how problematic this song was, I thought it was a good lesson, but when you break down the lyrics, it's not terrible but it's bad. I also love the little song at the beginning and the glass slipper drawing at the end.
The robin hood line is how i see this entire song. I can see how this song can be problematic but i dont see alot of the decendants songs as lesson for the veiwers but the overall story as the actual lesson. The true lesson for this franchise is you are not your parents, you are you and you only, you chose to be a good person or bad. Its like listening to ways to be wicked and thinking thats a lesson on be evil, its just a song for the characters story to progress, their Actions ARE the lessons the audience needs to focus on
Some things can be grey but that doesn't mean everything is grey. Playing devils advocate and always trying to find/justify bad behaviour thinking there is some other reason. Some people are just evil or insanely selfish and its not wrong to have a black and whte viewpoint for some stuff. For example. Stealing food? Can be grey if your starving/trying to feed your family Stealing a luxary item? Always wrong, you don't need that.
stealing a luxury item actually isn’t that bad, its not an item needed to survive so your not stealing resources from anyone else, and luxury items are usually made by big corporations that can stand to lose that much money so overall no one is harmed long as you dont get caught :p
@g4llowsCalibr8tor True, but most of the time, it's not the big corporations losing. It's the retailers, and even if it is a large scale retailer we all know that money is not coming out of the boss pocket
It's always going to be the employees working for minimum wage who pay the price because if too many luxury goods get stolen then the company will write off that shop and pull out of the area, leaving the employees without an income.
I also think that this song would make so much more sense if young Bridget sang it instead of Ella. The song itself justifies Bridget’s actions as an adult because by the song’s logic, it is okay to do bad things if you can see the “goodness” in your own actions. In Life is Sweeter, we already see that she kinda has a naive way of thinking. Bridget being shown to have this rhetoric before being “turned” evil by the prank could show the innate issue with this ideology which is that it’s SO EASY to use it to justify bad actions!
right???? like qoh turned bad with or without the cookbook being stolenn, and what she said at the beginning "You ran off with your prince" seems like an Ella problem
@@real24601gabe Irk!!! It has to be more than turning into a monster at a first dance, I'm pretty sure that what cause her to become a dictator was the feeling of betrayment after she left her for Charming, probably laughing and moving with Charming
@Solanin0803 I guess that originally, hades and Malificent got rid of the trap and owls and probably broke the protection or at least unfreeze Uliana and Morgie (I imagine him always being on her side)
@@braylin5003 I think in a cut scene on Peder's ig, there's a pic of morg holding the spell book so I guess he somehow unfroze them. (also QOH didnt blink twice to unalive her x besty which is like so sus)
I agree with a lot of what you said, for me I saw this song as Chloe having to realize that not everyone is going to agree with/ follow her moral code. People are always going to have a justification for things they do and there’s nothing that Chloe can do to change that. I think that the song standalone is too broad to really be effective. Within the context of the movie I saw this as her moral absolutism being shattered by her own mother, her role model up to this point. I agree that murder cannot be justified but are bystanders wrong for not doing anything to stop it? Or is it justified to ignore other people’s pain because we are “too far removed” from the issue? What does being too far from the issue even mean? Is a bystander just as guilty as a bully because of their inaction? I think that the song could’ve been more pinpointed to show that Chloe only sees red as a villain and that Red’s true wants and intentions are unknown to her, and she should question further before passing judgement so easily. I feel like the song should’ve been used to show that Chloe is ignorant of the bigger picture and in knowing that, she should learn to critically think instead of just accepting everything she’s told at first glance. It’s a gotcha “everything is grey” moment which I think hurts it.
I actually reworked the song to be more about facing hard truth and growing from it. The truth may hurt and exposes our filth, but it also gives us something new to fight for When it comes to right and wrong, it should be clear It's not that simple You're right. With so many shades of gray it's hard to hear That doesn't make any sense Facts are blured, lies are sweet, you'd agree I don't know what you're talking about You think your truth will sufice, but I disagree I don't know you anymore Why's it so hard to see clearly? You can't play with the truth subjectively Gotta get your hands dirty Just jump head first into the mess Gotta get your hands dirty Push through the worst, give it your best Sure at first, it kinda hurst, but I'll be there if you burst Gotta get your hands dirty To get it right But just how far do you go? How much do you compromise? Oh, tell me how do you know, where do you draw the line? It's not an easy change The head and heart must align You can risk your life, but if you risk your soul Did I lose my soul?
14:17 okay, fair, but in the beginning of the movie, Red was warned that changing the past too much would alter the reality and cause her to loose her mother in all of them, so her wanting to steal the book does make sense, seeing that talking to Merlin could mess up the timeline.
I mean, they already messed up the timeline by being there and interacting with their mothers and everyone else. That alone should change the flow of historical events. When it comes to time travel, you either meddle or you don't...and they had already meddled. The act of taking the book for themselves is just as influential as telling Merlin about the villain's plan. Telling Merlin would have been less life-threatening for them.
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Honey, sometimes meddling with history can have positive side effects, marty mcfly's family went from his whimpy dweeb father who only got the girl for pity into the confident scifi novel writer, his mom went from someone pessimistic and obviously drunk into the healthiest middle aged and married woman cinema ever seen, and their house went from barely livable dump into stylish and slightly above middle class!
@@erikbihari3625 Yeah, I'm pretty sure messing with the timeline so that The queen of hearts doesn't become a killer isn't the worst idea of them all. Yeah, it fucks with the story, but it's also like, if I went back in time and I could stop a psycho from being a psycho, I'll do whatever it takes.
Given that Disney’s lessons are typically black & white, I actually found this song as a breath of fresh air given how our world RARELY gives us the privilege of just picking something as good or bad & sometimes you’re just left with picking whatever’s the lesser of 2 evils, & yes - if going to Merlin really hadn’t been an option & some words been altered in the lyrics, this song would hit stronger but overall, I think the lesson of nuance DESPERATELY needs to be shown more & maybe with time, they’ll find ways to show it better. And as far as with the line “She could have kids she’s providing for.” sometimes you’re left with VERY few options to support yourself if you don’t have qualifications or a checkered past that people look down on you for or live in an area with very little employment opportunity - it may not be ‘right’ but morality itself often becomes a luxury you can’t afford to have in order to just survive. Does that make it okay? No. Do you always have the choice if it means you won’t be able to get by? Also no.
Just because one is left with few options, that doesn't justify hurting or inconveniencing others. I know SO many people get put into these desperate situations and are pushed to do morally grey things, but...that still doesn't make it right. Does surviving have to mean that we give up the best parts of ourselves? It really is complicated, which is why I don't think the song really had the time to properly show the nuance of this situation. Idk if it was a time issue actually...maybe just reworking the lyrics a bit. I don't disagree with the overall message of the song, just the execution.
Apparently, as long as you can dance to a song, it automatically makes it a hit, no one today listen to the lyrics... unlike me...that why my list of favorite songs is so narrow
🧼 Your mini parody at the beginning is a total bop, by the way. 😉😆❤🔥 Jokes aside, I still have not seen Rise of Red, but based off what you're telling here in this video... Yeeeeeeah, it does sound like this song was not the best way to teach the lesson they were trying to. 😬 Cuz yeah, this is a pretty complex topic, and I'm sure there must be a way to teach it to a younger audience that's both understandable and nuanced enough, but it feels to me like the writers missed the mark here. It's kinda reminding me of Turning Red's "Make room for the bad stuff" line, and I do not like that x_x Also, this may sound weird, but this video weirdly made me want to see you do more song analysis xD Not that I can think of any song you could potentially analize right now, but it was oddly entertaining to see you go through line by line and picking them apart 😝 So I wouldn't be oppossed to more of these, LOL.
XD Thank you! OHHHH that quote from Turning Red bugs me SO much. YES, the message in Get Your Hands Dirty has the EXACT same energy as that quote DX haha! I'm glad you liked this different kind of video. If I run into another song with questionable lyrics, I wouldn't mind doing this again XD
@@TheArtisticAloubell. A;Wasn't all bad, least the twothousands got the limelight for change, and canada doesn't get mutch love, even though thoroughout the last three years they made the best cartoons that wasn't hasbro! Although could hardly deal with the rampant support for"rainbows"their tacky, everywhere and enforce some dangerous hypocricy! B;Maybe make second channel for purely music related stuff, maybe collaborate with musical hell, who already extensively covered the initial trilogy.
I agree and even though MLP isn't perfect, it still did a better job with handling complex topics (sometimes) in a way that kids can understand. Sure, there's been a few episodes where what they did was questionable but overall they've done a good job with using ponies to teach lessons.
@@TheArtisticAloubellIn the lyrics, there are samples that provide an explanation of Robin Hood, a legendary figure who stole from the wealthy to assist the poor. His actions, though sometimes questionable, were driven by a noble intention to help those in need. This concept is illustrated in the lyrics, suggesting that sometimes, negative actions can lead to positive outcomes, and that it may be necessary to engage in unconventional methods to achieve a just cause. I think the whole point of this song is that everyone has a little bit of good and a little bit of evil in them even if they don’t believe they have any evil inside them.
I have yet to see the movie, but based on what I've seen it needs another movie. It's like the movie was only half finished. They changed the Queen of Heart's whole personality by the end of it. There's no way Alice in Wonderland played out the exact same way after that, not to mention the Rabbit Hole wouldn't have been blocked off probably if Bridget never had the poor relationship with Auridon to begin with. I wonder how Red managed to even remain unchanged, because she would have grown up drastically different if her mother didn't become an evil dictator.
Shadows of Gray rewrite of this song Title: Shadows of Gray (Verse 1) In the morning light, I see the lines, Right and wrong, they blur and intertwine, Cruel and kind, they dance a delicate waltz, Who’s to say where the truth takes its fault? (Pre-Chorus) Every choice we make, a path to unfold, In the heart of the storm, where the brave meet the bold, Oh, there's a whisper in the night, calling out my name, Telling me to search for the love, not the blame. (Chorus) In the shadows of gray, where the colors collide, We find the reasons, where the heart cannot hide, With every twist of fate, and every tear that we cry, There’s beauty in the struggle as the moments pass by. (Verse 2) There are rules for a reason, to help us define, The fragile threads that weave our lives intertwined, But in the depths of doubt, when the world feels so cold, There’s warmth in the chaos, a story to be told. (Pre-Chorus) So take my hand, we’ll walk this winding road, With a heart full of courage, we’ll lighten our load, Oh, there's a spark in the dark, igniting the flame, Teaching us to dance in a world that's untamed. (Chorus) In the shadows of gray, where the colors collide, We find the reasons, where the heart cannot hide, With every twist of fate, and every tear that we cry, There’s beauty in the struggle as the moments pass by. (Bridge) And though the path may twist, and the skies may fall, We rise from the ashes, we’ll conquer it all, With hope as our anchor, and love as our guide, In the vast array of life, we’ll stand side by side. (Chorus) In the shadows of gray, where the colors collide, We find the reasons, where the heart cannot hide, With every twist of fate, and every tear that we cry, There’s beauty in the struggle as the moments pass by. (Outro) So let’s embrace the gray, let’s cherish the days, In a world full of choices, we’ll find our own ways, For right and wrong may bend, but love’s here to stay, In the shadows of gray, we’ll learn to be brave.
Verse 1 In a world where right meets wrong, Cruel hands and kind hearts sing their song. Who’s to say what’s just or fair, In the dance of shadows, we tread with care. There’s a code that whispers to me, Every choice hides its own mystery. A hint of grey in the black and white, Searching for truth in the fading light. Chorus So let’s get our hands dirty, dive into the mess, Life’s a canvas splattered-give your worst, give your best. Bad or good, should or shouldn’t, it’s not always clear, There are universal truths that we must hold near. Verse 2 Like valiant knights with their noble quest, Fighting for justice, their hearts in protest. But who’s to judge what fights they’ve won, When the lines are blurred, and the battle’s begun? Creepy witches with their potions brewed, In their own way, could be misunderstood. They might have dreams, they might have a past, Isn’t it funny how perceptions can clash? Chorus So let’s get our hands dirty, dive into the mess, Life’s a canvas splattered-give your worst, give your best. Bad or good, should or shouldn’t, it’s not always clear, There are universal truths that we must hold near. Bridge If you’re good, they say good things will come, But the shattered vase tells stories undone. Life’s complicated, it’s messy and real, Can’t always keep it clean; that’s the deal. You’re a nice girl, but your princess is showing, Behind every smile, there’s a tempest flowing. Chorus So let’s get our hands dirty, dive into the mess, Life’s a canvas splattered-give your worst, give your best. Bad or good, should or shouldn’t, it’s not always clear, There are universal truths that we must hold near. Outro So here’s to the grey, where we learn to grow, Embracing the contrast, letting our colors flow. Right and wrong, cruel and kind, In this chaotic beauty, a new world we find. Another version
"Do anything for those you love" is a topic with it's own nuance all in of itself 😅 Our loved ones are also faced with that "right or wrong" dilemma and they sadly can't always be reliable when it comes to morality and values. That song *could have* worked better if they stuck to their specific scenario ("when is theft okay?""what if this?""what if that?"), because then it would have been a reflection of the characters' values and it would have advanced the movie's conflict rather than teaching kids that it's *always* okay to do morally ambiguous things because they *feel* like it's the right thing to do. 🧼
The witch line was more than enough to make me want to skip the rest. "Love ain't it" is the best villain song though.. that song was brilliant. (In my opinion)
I also thought the song was problematic, I didn't like it very much. But what I thought was an objectively worse message was with the red queen. The fact that the entire reason she is an evil, homicidal, TYRANT is because of a HIGHSCHOOL PRANK! A high school prank turned this sweet girl into a despicable, cruel woman who oppresses her people and murders them just for being out past curfew. It's like saying Stalin was a bloodthirsty and ruthless leader because he was bullied in middle school. I could go on a whole other rant about Red and her song at the beginning of the movie but that would make this longer then it already is. Thank you for reading my rant
The queen of hearts bugged me so much. I mean we have Ella saying how Bridget is so strong for being nice to her tormentors, which I agree with. It's hard but I do believe you should be kind to those are mean to you and it's an admirable trait. (Note: This doesn't mean you have to take their abuse. You can still stand up to yourself and others without being cruel) But then she just doesn't anymore. She totally forgot that was one of her skills and she just gave up a guess and turned into a evil tyrant and MURDERER to INNOCENT people because of others actions. And then the movie is solved by adjusting history so she didn't have to face hardship. By the movie's own logic Bridget is a weak person who is only kind because she didn't have to overcome challenges. The movie would have been better if they went back and stopping the prank didn't fix the present, maybe the prank was a red herring or something I don't know. Anyway Red would have to use her knowledge of the past to remind Bridget of who she was and how she's strong enough to overcome her hatred and resentment. I mean it still wouldn't have solved the whole mass murder thing but hey it's better than just: Oh it's okay for you to be evil if people were mean to you. Newsflash: Someone's going to be mean to you! And it doesn't mean you can spawn a dictatorship regime and make life miserable for hundreds, thousands, or millions of people!
To my opinion, Descendants always had a running theme to prove you could be a rough around the edges and still be a good person. I guess they were trying to say that again with this song. That being said, I do understand your points. Sometimes it feels like being good just to be is a sign of weakness, and it's truly not a weakness. So in a way I guess it really depends on the situation, considering who's right or wrong. But that is my opinion.
Exactly. Especially when it comes to sympathetic villains. Like, the point is for them to be sympathetic and understandable, not justified. If they’re justified, then they’re not villains.
Can't make more live action movies about evil bad guys secretly only being evil because they were mistreated if you don't push the message 😂 Remember how they tried to turn Cruella into a "tragic villain"? The puppy-coat lady?!
Liking songs, especially when they’re problematic in hindsight, can be complicated and loaded. “The Bunny Song” from VeggieTales had a deliberate bad message that caused parents to overreact which, caused the songwriter(s) to edit it. As a result, it not only muddied the message but also now makes no sense. It was from an adaptation in Daniel about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendnego. For context, this came out in the mid 90s. An example of changed lyrics were from “I don’t love my mom or my dad” to “I don’t love my soup or my bread”. No, my parents were not among the outrage. At the end of the day the execution of the message is arguably more important than the message itself; you can have the best message but come across confusing. Thanks to one of my college professors, I consider context more.
On surface level, I thought it was a good message.. I do think it's important to do the right thing and sometimes it may involve defying authority or breaking a few rules as long as it follows moral/ethical guidelines and if it's for the right reasons... I think that's what Red and Chloe did and had in mind when saving Bridget.. However, it is easy to take lyrics too literally, and we don't want to justify things that are morally wrong or getting "revenge" I think compared to the other songs (except for the song with Uliana lol since it literally says "revenge") this song does have a negative connotation and like I said the concept can be taken too far which wouldn't be good.. Most of the songs from the franchise I like cause they are either about love, justice, pride, or happiness. With the VKs their songs did make sense at the time since their mindsets were different back then, but that did not stop my previous school from banning "Rotten to the core" from the school talent show lol. Anyway, I enjoyed this video and great analysis :)
Thank you! I stopped the movie at the point to talk to my daughter to explain just because an idea is in a movie, doesn't mean it is a good lesson. This song REALLY rubbed me the wrong way.
🤣 I was not expecting to be hit with 🎶 "this song is problematic" 🎶 *available for streaming where available* ! (which happens to be this video.... So enjoy! 😂)
I feel like the reason they TRIED to give her not to tell the principal wasn't because he was a bad person that couldn't help them, but more like a "if he is a good guy, and a guy powerful enough to stop uliana, there gotta be a reason he couldn't do it in the first timeline, so we can't consider his help, he was here the last time bridget got transformed and bullied, and he couldn't help Bridget, why would he in the same time and place, being the same person" but they just put way more wholes on this stupid story, cos now the reason the villans got stopped, was because of something that merlin would be able to stop in the first time line and does not explain why in the first time line they werent stopped, cos they were stopped without the protagonist interfering at all
Great video! I loved the intro. When I first heard this song, I was also kinda shocked by the lyrics. It's funny how they're alluding to morally "getting your hands dirty" while they're cleaning the garden. Seems like nothing should stay dirty.
@@andresomerville4896 I know but I'm sure they washed their hands afterward. If you do something morally wrong, you can't just wash your hands. You can either face the truth or find an excuse.
It's also hilarious to me that her mom in the past was so upset that Chloe got a reward for being a good person.. when it was clearly a complete surprise gift. I really hope they address this because they set it up that they have to (though I know just because they set it up that way they won't always address it) show why and how Cinderella changed her mind later on.
Since you speak from the perspective of a christian girl, let me speak from the perspective of another christian girl. Sorry for bed english, it's not my first language. There are some wrong things with the song but not so many. There are even verses in the bible that speak of how showing marcy, love and being just is not the some thing with follow the rules. The idea that life is more grey then white and black is present there and is specify that making the right thing sometimes go against the rules. Yes, they could say it a bit clear in the song but it's not that bad. About the witch that sail potions, if you sail me a knife that doesn't mean that I have to hurt someone with it or that you are evil for giving me a wepont. I can use the knife to cook or to protect myself. She could have say that mabey the witch doesn't know the reason why people buy potinns, but it's not that bad. And about the "follow your heart" parth, I may be wrong here because of the meaning of these in your country but in my country follow your heart means show mercy, love and compasion. It doesn't mean follow your emotions. I live with the impresion that it means the some thing in english too.
after watching this movie, and psycho analysing this song, I'm actually full on believing that Ella did the prank, not Uliana and her gang. the lyrics towards the end "But just how far do you go? How much do you compromise? Oh, tell me, how do you know? Where do you draw the line? There's nothing I wouldn't do if my heart tells me it's right, If it's for someone I love, If it's to save a life." helps back up my theory, if Ella was willing to do anything for someone she loves (probably charming) and to save a life (Bridget??) and the book can only be opened by those with a pure heart (not the vk's duh!) then Ella might've been the one do to the prank if Chloe and Red didn't change the time line. Feel free to correct me or add something :)
This situation of problematic lyrics in song about morality reminds me a lot of 2 songs from Hazbin Hotel, Happy Day in Hell and You Didn't Know. In the first one Charlie is touching about how horrible hell is and that is full of the worst people who ever lived ,while the second one is about the hypocrisy of angels for killing demonds to handle overpopulation in hell and how things aren't black and white. I wanted to point out both of them because I think Happy Day in Hell makes You Didn't Know worse by condradicting it. The first song was litteraly about all the horrible people who live in hell like murderers ,rapeists, cannibals etc. only for the second song where they refer to all sinners as inocent souls. Like you said while it's true that there are gray areas black/white situations still do exist. And I know that the extermination angels Adam and Lute admited that they are only doing it for fun , that still doesn't changes how Charlie's problematic view on morality, especially since none of the sinners from that song showed any signs of regret or empathy towards others. And Angel Dust with Sir Pentious don't count since we don't know how they both died and just because they can be redeemed that doesn't mean every single sinner is going to do the same.
Yeah, take Alastor for example, he loves his mother, but was a cruel serial killer in life and hasn't changed one bit, still, the problem is the self fulfilling prophecy dilemma, so afraid is heaven of a hell uprising that they exterminate them for it and that might push the sinners to do just that. Charlie believes redeeming the sinners is best, but she's ignoring the fact that irredeemable sinners do exist, though she has a point in questioning why Adam and Lute are allowed to stay in heaven while they are evil.
Angel died from a drug overdose. His entire family is a Mafia family. I think the point of you didn't know is the fact that they don't want to give sinners a chance to be redeemed but Angels are allowed to do whatever they want and still be in Heaven. Not to mention nobody knows what actually gets you into heaven as Adam is a complete asshole, misogynistic, and overall bad person but somehow still made it into heaven.
@@TheSpawnfan I feel like season 2 is gonna teach Charlie that not all people are redeemable. Vivzie said the V's will play a big role is season 2 and I don't think she's going to take the route of trying to redeem a literal rapist who makes one of the main characters lives miserable.
@@lexyruse603 I guess that is the point, but if it really is then why did Sir Pentious go to heaven? I know that he fought alongside others to save the hotel only to get blasted by Adam and he also showed that he only acts to be the tough guy , but it still didn't make sense that he got his redeemtion like thanso easilly. What exactly he did to reddem himself to go to heaven, especially since we don't even know what got him in hell in the first place?
To me the world isn't black and white are saying the world is just gray is way too vague the world is not black and white and it's not just Gray it's multiple shades of light gray and multiple shades of dark gray there are people who do good things for good reason people do bad things for bad reasons people who do good things for bad reasons people who do bad things for good reasons and people who are in a general just neutral or people who are leaning closer to either one of the scales or somewhere on the scale of black to white you almost never fully be white or almost never be fully black there's always some nuance and if I'm wrong I'm sorry
I just think the character of Ella is not supposed to portrayed that way, she's literally Cinderella and this version of her was meaner, colder and resentful towards people that have more money than her, hating the ball etc. I mean, sure, it makes for a realistic reaction from someone that lived the way she did but that was the thing with the Cinderella in every adaptation and original, she, instead of reacting like most people, remained kind and optimistic through it all and was rewarded by life for it
🧼First of all: Your singing is beautiful 💕 And I think the problem of this song and its message is that it does not different between excuse and explanation. Best seen in the line where Ella says the evil witch could have kids. It's an *explanation* not an *excuse* .The song should've differentiate these things more and state that, as you said, the context matters.
I don't think I noticed while initially watching, but after many people have pointed it out, I see it now. I'm honestly not mad at it! It's more funny than anything XD
I still love the song but god the way they explain it is so bad i personally don't think there's objective morality so rverything is gray but not in the way the song explain it kids aren't gonna get the right message from this doing morally gray stuff because your heart tells you it's right is literally the most common villian trope😭
In my opinion, it’s definitely okay to have a song like this as long as the rest of the movie rectifies it. However, I’m not sure whether or not that’s the case. Probably not, but it would be a cool story if the two characters both learned about this complex topic.
I can mostly agree with the points made in this video. I was a bit put off by the examples of what things are objectively wrong to do. They didn't really feel like good examples in the context of a children's movie (killing people or cheating in a relationship). I mean, those aren't really things children's movies should tackle anyway. But that is minor. What I am more confused by is this perspective where Cinderella is not viewed as a character. Ella (as the younger version was called) is still suppose to be a teenaged character with her own strenghts and weaknesses. She is not an all-knowing mentor despite the fact that her daughter looks up to her. The whole comment about the vase or how she scoffed at Chloe being rewarded for being a good person? That was a teenager being a bit petty. Cinderella's whole story starts with how she has to slave away and is never rewarded. It is only natural for her to be a bit cynical as a teenager.
@@mitsusah2612 I can respect why Ella has this mindset as, yes, some things she says might just be part of her character flaws. However, the story has not yet had an opportunity to agree that she is flawed yet. The movie framed the things she said as if she were all the way in the right, and that's more what I take issue with.
I never cared for the idea of there being "shades of grey" in the world to begin with. I was raised to believe there truly ARE two sides to human behavior, passive and chaotic (otherwise known as good and evil.) Sure, not all bad guys are exactly how we perceive them but not ALL bad guys have some form of "nuance" behind their actions. There are people who genuinely cause chaos for the sake of it and people who act evil also for the sake of it. There's no rhyme or reason behind their actions, it's just basic nature to them. So, to question good and evil too much leaves more questions than answers
The way I see it, there are shades of grey however not everything is a grey area. I find this problem in real life too, people acting like there's always another side when clearly one person was just bad. Stealing food from a shop? That can be a grey area if its someone starving or trying to feed their family. Stealing a luxury item from a shop? That is always bad as you don't need it.
@@Markus2E5I6 In terms of the Robin Hood thing, Robin didn't take EVERYTHING from the rich; he only took the excess wealth some of them had and when he gave it to the poor, these were people who were either on the brink of starvation or those who were homeless
@@SilverScribe85 yeah hence why its a grey area. People's lives were in danger. The intention changes the action from grey to black. Stealing food because you can't afford it and need it? Grey. Stealing a ps5 because you can't afford it? black as you don't need a ps5 to live
I think a lot of it chalks down to adhering to modern trends. In current media, morally gray characters and redemption arcs have been rising in popularity, and is Disney is better known for creating straightforward heroes and villains.
This movie is intended for adolescents and teenagers. Kids of this age should have an understanding of context and allusion. There is no time to explain context or nuance. That's not the purpose of the song. These movies follow a formula, and each song has a purpose in moving the plot forward. The nuance and context are built on in the rest of the movie and other songs.
You'd be surprised....but your also not wrong. But it doesn't help that the bad deed she wants to do makes no sense seeing as they really could have just gone to Merlin for help.
Someone talking about a problem that they have with Rise of Red? What else is new? No but seriously I have seen more videos of people complaining about this movie pop up than I have seen people talking positively about this movie
Thank you so much for this video, i had the exact same thoughts about this song. As soon as i heard it, it seriously pissed me off for that same reasons as you
Your videos are getting better and better with time!, I loved the intro, and, in my opinion, Descendants 1 is better than Descendants 3, I never liked Audrey as a villain, Hades character is a little weird, and the decision of breaking the barrier is... questionable. But that's just my opinion.
8:50 Heard this song before watching the movie and I have to agree with this sentiment. The setup that Chloe had about being rewarded for being good not making you good really made me rethink if I was a good person. It's nice to hear this talked about because I can only imagine how kids and young teens may feel if I feel this way after it.
After seeing the lyrics, I get they struggle with the duality here. It would also be cool to see the lengths Ella would go through instead of just seeing the queen as hearts as the only evil main character here. Did Ella have to do something to maintain the kingdom. Kind of like the trolley problem debate. Also, show that Chloe knows Ella’s words are problematic and she is debating over listening to her mom or sticking to her own moral code. But that is really difficult to put in a short track, but it could be done by either shortening the chorus or make the verses longer. It feels like a first draft.
I get that this is going to be unpopular, but I don't think Robin Hood needs more context than "stealing from the rich to give to the poor" to be seen as morally right becuase the innate power dynamic of people who are POOR (ie living in poverty) co-existing with people who are filthy rich is unequal, unfair and exploititive. Yeah stealing isn't the ideal way to fix this but no system that makes rich and poor people is going to be fair enough to fix itself even in the long term. So really Robin Hood should have started a revolution. TLDR taking from the rich and giving to the poor is innately a good thing, so though Robin Hood would have done better to set up the wellfare state a few centuries early what he did was the next best thing so right regardless of context. (becuase systems where rich and poor exist basically just means the rich legally steallign from the poor)
Remember when years ago Crazy Ex-Girlfriend made the song "nothing is ever anyone's fault" and it was clearly satire and the joke was the characters being totally wrong? And now Disney's like "accountability is dumb!"
Reminds me of The Little Mermaid. When Triton destroyed Ariel's treasures, it was an act of anger already based on trying to protect her daughter. It was wrong, it was cruel, and could have definitely been handled better, but wasn't. At least we got a good story out of it. And at the end, Triton did another bad thing by giving himself up to save his daughter from a rigid contract(That one feels like the perfect grey decision. Both options given to Triton sucked)
I think that's treating the song a bit too literal with the ,,there are objectively good and bad things" I think it was a hyperbole/figure of speech when it said about everything being in the shades of grey and the song itself is making that clear by "contradicting" itself with the chorus. Also I subjectively think your objectively good/bad things aren't everyone's good/bad things, for every "objective" wrong or right thing, there could be an example of a circumstance in which it seems more complex or gets people to at least think and argue about it and that makes it morally grey (even if that shade is pretty dark). The witch as well, I dont think she ever implied that suddenly her actions are justified, just that it becomes more complicated and morally grey as per theme, going with the pattern of ,,["objective person"] but [circumstance makes it grey]", with the whole song as context I think its more clear. Over all I feel like you're taking bits and pieces of the lyrics, analysing them on their own without the context of the whole song or patterns in it thus misunderstanding the message.
I'm not misunderstanding the lyrics at all. I watched the movie, I know what the conflict was, but I can't take away from the fact that the first time i heard the lyrics, they rubbed me the wrong way and here I am discussing why. And I understand that situations can be complex, but even if life's circumstances are hard, there's never a good excuse to hurt anyone else or inconvenience people especially when they don't deserve it. I'm not saying we don't all dab in that to some degree, but that doesn't make it right. Explanation for one's actions is not the same as justification. For the witch, I understand that what she's doing is for her loved ones, but that doesn't make it right. All I wanted was for the song to acknowledge that what she was doing wasn't right, regardless of reasoning, and I would have been fine. I don't disagree with the message of the song. I just think some of the lyrics are clumsy and could potentially be harmful. If reworked a bit, I think it would have been fine~
@@TheArtisticAloubell exaclty, explanation doesnt mean justification. I dont think the song was justificating anything or saying it was right, it was following the theme of grey areas and the thing about grey is exactly that its not black and white which I think you're interpreting it that way, like if they say it had a good reason then they must be saying it was all a good thing over all, which they explicitly say that its just complicated and grey. I think maybe if they added a tiny ,,it doesnt make it right but you can see her point of view" then fine it could've been even more clear even tough in my opinion its already fine as is.
I agree when listening to the lyrics I personally think they should make the descendants movies to be for mature audiences and be explicit if they can't explain things about the world and people in a kids and teens movie tbh. Bc it is very complex and complicated. Like not everything gotta be about kids/teen movies you know? Cuz sometimes they sneak in adult jokes in kids/teens movies and shows that the adults will notice that kids/teens won't. I get that they tried to make kids/teens to understand the world and such but the lyrics and messages they try to convey is very problematic as u said. Like I said I personally believe they should make these movies mature and explicit for young adults if they gonna write a song like this. Like not every movie gotta be kid friendly u know what I'm saying? I love ur thoughts and analysis on the song and the movie ☀️🦋✨💓💓💕🌸💋
"as a Christian" what's objectively innocent? aren't we all born sinners? in that case there are no objectively innocent people and therefore your whole premise of "objectively good deeds" or whatever goes out the window, are you really a good person or are you just after the prize at the end? Before we hit that debate point, you can be rewarded for being a good deed without it taking away from the deed, but realistically, that's kind of the whole point of christianity, you're conditioned from an early age(generally, i know there are those who "find god" later in life) to believe being a good person gets you into the afterlife and being a bad person gets eternal punishment. Also that "Creepy Witch" she has a customer base, and guaranteed they're not always "evil" by the definition you've given either. Objectively this isn't a discussion you can have without your own subjective thoughts and feelings getting in the way because you're the only one who's having the conversation. I did enjoy hearing your take on this though and hope this doesn't come off as terribly disrespectful.
When I say "innocent" I don't mean in the context of sin. When I say "innocent" i mean is someone who didn't do anything wrong to receive the blunt of someone's malice. Like, if you're ever only nice to people, then you don't deserve to have stuff stolen from you or for someone to hurt you. You didn't do anything to earn the consequence of such terrible acts. I never said the words "objectively innocent." I said there is objectively good and bad, kind and cruel. Besides, in Christianity, you don't have to be a "good person" in order to be saved. All you have to do is believe that you are a sinner, believe Jesus is the Son of God, and make Him your Lord and savior. There's no level of good any of us can do to be saved, so no, we don't do good works to get into heaven. That being said, you should do good works simply because they are the right thing to do, or, in the case of actual Christians, are inspired by Jesus/want to please Him. And regarding the witch line specifically is "Creepy witches selling potions for evil deeds." The line directly implies that she's selling potions that she knows have bad outcomes for others. Sure, she could be selling these to help her kids, but that is merely a reason for what she's doing, that does not justify her actions. All I wanted from this song was an acknowledgement that just because we are pushed sometimes to do morally questionable stuff for good reasons, doesn't mean that that morally questionable act is okay. Sometimes it can be (i.e. with Robin Hood) and sometimes it's not. Having said that, I appreciate your final sentence and that you enjoyed the video ^^ Thank you for watching!
I agree. Especially because by following your heart 24/7 it can sometimes lead to situations like what happened to Ben, Mal, & Audrey (but worse). If there's an existing couple but one of them has a "heart that tells them" that they are meant to be with another person that they just met, that would negatively affect the existing relationship. Ofc, if it's a hypothetical person, I don't think it's wrong to end a relationship since sometimes you just know based on circumstances that your current relationship will only end in disaster if you force it but if you don't break up with them AND you find someone else (which could lead to cheating even if the people involved aren't necessarily at that level of familiarity), it's not okay.
To me, Getting your hands dirty means, doing the revolting tasks that come with having a furry friend. (Pet), yes gardening, the unpleasant tasks of being a parent.and cleaning the house. That is why i have this song in my chores playlist on spotify. And ya I think it would be better if the girls went to merlin.he could suspend or expell Uliana and her crew. Maybe that will happen if there is a 5th movie.
I think that giving the context of what Chole was questioning (should she help Red break in and steal) that song actually pretty good. I get that morality is complex and there are definite bad and definite good but since this movie is still targeted to kids, thankfully under normal circumstances most of them don’t know what k*lling or ass@ult are. Yes I know that in the movie Cinderella got beheaded but it wasn’t shown to us and Queen of Hearts was shown to be in the wrong. With Robin Hood, I think it’s one of these stories that are just so wildly known the explanation doesn’t really need to be there, and Robin Hood is a good argument but it’s a song and they can’t break down corruption and all that and again kids, under normal circumstances, wouldn’t known what that is. The line about following your heart is very Disney, is it necessarily right? No, not really, but it is very Disney and fairytale in general that if you stay true to yourself and always follow your heart things will turn out fine, and I think it is wishful thinking but then again, Disney/fairytale formula. Overall I think that Get Your Hands Dirty is pretty good as an introduction to the concept of choices being morally gray and I wouldn’t necessarily call it problematic as a whole. I understand overthinking (I am an overthinker) but sometimes analyzing the song from an adult perspective just isn’t worth it. It’s pretty clear what the message tried to convey without overcomplecating it and not all songs need to have an ideal message to be enjoyed, people enjoy villain songs and they sell us all the bad ideas.
@@zuza3377 I respect your view on things. But I personally couldn't help but be bothered when I first heard the song. It honestly just rubbed me the wrong way. I understand what they were going for and it's not a bad concept, I just didn't care for the execution. I don't think this song should get a pass the way that villain songs do. Villains are painted as obviously in the wrong, so we can feel free to enjoy their songs knowing they are wrong. But with a song like Get Your Hands Dirty, it is sung by a "good guy" and it is framed like that character is right in their thinking instead of the movie calling them out on some problematic thinking. That's more why I take issue with it. But hey, to each their own!
I feel like the song could be a bit better worded but I read the courus more as a "don't let people tell you you have to do something because you're told it's 'morally correct' instead if you have to do something that's seen as not completely moral than do it" and as for being " dangerous for kids" this is something where I feel kids arw sold short. I loved more morally questionable charecters as a kid and so did other kids I knew because they weren't black and white. I feel it wasn't explained as poorly as you think. I've found adults seem to missunderstand the message more than kids too. I ask my 11 year old sister and she can say (paraphrased) "you need context to say if something or someone is good or bad" yet I've seen adults comeatly bounce around as if it made 0 sense. I love your art and the video but I also wanted to explain how I've seen the misunderstanding come more from adults or older teens than the kids because we look for more nuance than what the movie wanted us to.
Thank you for your respectful comment! And I understand what you mean. I don't disagree with the message of the song...I just think many of the lyrics are clumsy and can be interpreted the wrong way that can lead to harmful consequences. While, yes, kids are smarter than many adults give them credit for, there are still kids who do, can, and will take things literally...which is why they need the adults in their lives to steer them in the right direction. Many MANY people shape their ideologies and such off of the music they listen to, so wording does matter. Ella definitely has some strong opinions, and she's in her right to think certain things, but...eh...such clumsy lyrics that needed some more editing and maybe the movie not framing her as 100% right. Sure, there will be a part 2 to this story, so who knows what direction the story will take her in, but as of now, the song rubbed me the wrong way >_
I get it, but ultimately, while some of the lyrics may not be cut and dry, the overall message that life's decisions are not always cut and dry and can affect people. For example, what you think may be a good choice may cause a bad thing to happen to someone else. I think that is more the message this movie was getting at, but let me know if you can see it from that perspective.
Yeah I just watch the movie today and when I heard the song and I was just like....something is off. xD Glad to know I wasn't the only one who noticed. When it comes to ranking the movies Descendants 2, 1, 3, and 4.
I feel like you need to take your own advice, Context is needed, your looking at the song objectively instead of a whole, alone sure it sounds weird but with the movie it makes sense so if you don't take the dilemma into consideration it will sound off. Plus I'm sure you don't need to spell it out for the audience I'm sure they can put two and two together. Chloe is choosing whether stealing the book in order to save her mom is good or bad so the song makes sense. Seeing as it's for the greater good, yes stealing is stealing but it's to save a life. Yes listening to your heart sometimes may lead to bad decisions but at the moment that's all you got. Plus getting your hands dirty from time to time is something we humans do everyday, good or bad who's to say because something that may be good to you may be bad to others.
@@preciousvhinnawa7495 I had full context. I watched the whole movie and I understand what the song is trying to say. I don't disagree with its concept. I disagree with the execution. The first time I heard the song I was put off by it but ultimately didn't think more about it. But the more I listened to the song, the lyrics bugged me. I think with a bit of reworking, the song would be fine.
@@TheArtisticAloubell i understand what you mean. It dose have some weird lines but I also agree with the song. To me good isn't always good and bad isn't always bad, by adding context a good thing can become bad and vice versa. It's not a song that I could say is harmful to kids, as it dose make some good points.
yes, but i dont think you should let a DISNEY movie teach your kid(s) morals. i can understand this for more impressionable kids, but you shouldn't let a disney movie, let alone really any movie, teach your kid(s) morals in the first place. i think if you see a problem with a movie/ song, you should tell your kid(s) what is bad about it and tell the kid. so while i can agree with you, i think people should remember- movies like this are more for entertainment than education and you shouldn't let a disney movie teach your kid(s) any morals. edited to make this sound less aggressive
This might be the best take I've seen so far. Everything in entertainment (books/movies/songs/etc) first goals are to be at least mildly entertaining & to make money, especially the ones from big studios. Everything else is an afterthought to those goals. Parents do still need to parent their kids and teach them about right & wrong, entertainment like this are just the conversation starter on how sometimes situations can be grey and shouldn't be treated as the entire message. Kids can still get good morals from entertainment, but parents/teachers/etc need to help with the nuances of said moral that the entertainment didn't give.
I completely agree with your points here....honestly, I hadn't listened to this song before but I paused this video to go listen to it and I immediately knew why you felt it was problematic...that's not a good lesson for kids and is something they needed time to dive deeper into... (also very random side note. You should check out the video game Life Is Strange because your discussion of consequences for actions made me think about the nuances of that game-even though it also sometimes missed the mark. It also has one of my favorite Christian characters ever, despite the story being overall secular).
🧼Exploring the concept of morally grey actions in a fairy tale setting, which normally only has objectively right and objectively wrong actions, is actually a really interesting idea. However, this was not the way to do it. Instead of saying that there is no way to know what is right and wrong or that every action has shades of grey to it and that you should just do what feels right, I think that the characters should have been put into a situation in which there was seemingly no right answer and be forced to make a choice. Or maybe our characters can learn that sometimes, there can be more than one right answer and that others aren’t always the villain just because they do things differently than the heroes.
I think the song and its lyrics alone are mostly fine. I think the problem was that the rest of the film should have provided the context and nuance, but didn't. A song can only have so many lyrics, and going into a full philosophical debate in a short, fun, poppy music number probably wouldn't work without a lot of time and talent to perfect. For a Disney example, though it's not a nuanced message that needs further elaboration, but rather of a song with a deeply flawed message that the rest of the narrative contradicts: Honor to Us All from Mulan. If you read those lyrics, they're about how woman are "pearls" and "dolls" whose only purpose in the family is being pretty and polite enough to get matched to a good husband and bear children. Then Make a Man Outta You shows the opposite ideal, about how a man is only good if he can fight and be strong and mysterious. But by the end of the film, Mulan defies both these expectations and shows that the true value lies in being different, thinking outside the box, and not letting expectations hold you back, like when all the other soldiers dressed as women to better infiltrate the palace and trick the Huns. So, in a better film, this song could have worked just fine as written, assuming the rest of the film defined what lines you cross are gray and which ones are black or white. But since it doesn't, yeah. Bad message.
My interpretation of this song was that these rules apply to this fantasy world that the characters are in - As an adult, I can slap that lense on there and not confuse it with an application for reality, but of course kids is a different case. They could be influenced by it. Personally, though, I can still enjoy it.
🧼 This song doesn't fit in this movie very well. Red is the only morally gray character in this film. The other villains are treated like black hearted monsters. Lady Tremaine, Uliana, and the Queen of Hearts are all pure evil. The fact that Bridgette got bullied in high school does not make all of her future murders morally complex.
A lot of Disney songs are problematic. The entire Descendants franchise is problematic and a rip off of Ever After High! However, I like that they gave Cinderella blue hair! It's giving Malvina from Pinocchio's Return/Buratino's Return and I'm here for it! After showing the song, YIKES! I'm never letting my kids watch these kinds of movies. There's a few Disney movies I specifically picked out but my future children are not going to be Disney kids. Also, I don't know the story of Robinhood real well (other than he wears green tights) but thanks for explaining the song and lyrics. I agree that it has a bad message.
I think you’re overreacting and if a kid actually ends up getting this message then they probably would’ve gotten it elsewhere if they hadn’t watched the movie. But I am literally not even an adult yet and you were being incredibly respectful the entire video and I might be wrong and at the end of the day, I did like the video and you made some great points. Have a nice day.
Ok not trying to be rude this is just an analysis The way I see it (and maybe this is a negative way of viewing things). There are only two types of choices, black and gray. someone someone can do something terrible for absolutely horrendous reasons but on the other hand every single thing we do even if it’s a good deed is from some form of self righteousness, or some other selfish tendency that humans biologically have. No matter how far we have progressed in our society, humans will always subconsciously do it for themselves even someone who sacrifices everything for everyone else is really doing it just so that they can feel good about themselves. That is a form of morally gray morality. When we do something good, we get satisfaction or dopamine and we continue to do good things in order to receive that that in itself is selfish. I’m not claiming that everyone in the world is a bad person but more that every action stems from a form of natural self preservation of our physical and mental health. As for Ella statements on getting rewarded for good deeds, I do not entirely disagree with her while getting rewards is not an inherently bad thing and it is better than getting gifts out of nowhere. The sentiment is still true. When parents or people in general, keep giving rewards to kids for doing good deeds or getting good grades eventually those rewards stop and the now extremely confused Kid will look for other more negative ways to get attention. The way I was raised taught me that rewards and praise cheapens hard work and instead the recipient receives dopamine from the reward and not the satisfaction of doing something good. While I agree that people shouldn’t steal from innocence most of the time when people are in a negative financial situation, they steal from big corporations Corporations that are nowhere near innocent plus I doubt anyone in that kind of situation is watching a Disney movie???? It is the parent’s job to tell a kid what is right and what is wrong and then the kid can figure it out for themselves while they grow up not a Disney movie!
Regarding the part where getting a reward cheapens hard work, I disagree. Sometimes the dopamine you get from the reward eventually transfers over to doing a good job without the reward. Case in point: when I was young, my parents paid me for good grades. So of course, naturally, I was motivated for the money. But eventually, the money stopped, but I still desired to have good grades and it brought me satisfaction knowing I did a good job. So that's definitely possible.
@@TheArtisticAloubell that is true!! there are different situations and different reactions I guess I should have said sometimes it cheapens the hard work my comment is mostly share my position on this video. Which is why I thank you for responding to my comment it means a lot to know you input is being read and not just ignored. Despite the fact that I have a different opinion on this video I still really enjoyed it, going by each lyric was the smart thing to do and it showed that you were truly thinking about it instead of making some outlandish claim for views. It’s truly inspiring to see someone who cares about what they do keep up the good work!
"This Song is Problematic" will be available on Spotify in the year of 20XX
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@@TheArtisticAloubell. You could slay, queen.
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I can't stress this enough, the principal is MERLIN FROM THE FREAKING SWORD IN THE STONE, that guy can SEE THE FUTURE, it's not like he wouldn't have believed the girls if they said they're from the future, Merlin would've known and he would've helped, there was no reason to steal the book
Merlin always knows, he showed it sometimes in Kingdom Hearts
Wait. Wouldn't that mean he would have known about the Auradon Coup?
Well he did partner them up with their parents if that’s the case
@@MagicSpectrum He would, but chose not to interfere because the consequences would be worse if he did.
@@TheSpawnfan How could things get worse than an evil tyrant taking over Auradon and executing Cinderella?
Audrey being imediatly forgiven in the third movie coud also convey the idea that you are allowed to behave badly if you feel forced to and it's harder to ignore than this song
TBF in Audreys Christmas song she did mention someone cancelling her Christmas so she probably received some sort of punishment off screen.
What I got from D3 was that it’s okay to go evil asking as your in the right crowd. Hades had it right. When the villains do bad it’s unforgivable, but Audrey does it and instead of being banished she’s forgiven.
Disney doesn’t do a good job at delving deeper into morally grey storylines and Turing bad characters good. I always felt bad for Audrey because Mal & Ben never gave her an official apology and she was done dirty. Her boyfriend publicly leaves her for a villain, and marries her too. Even when it’s proven that the villain is doing something evil. (Mal later changes) still doesn’t change what Audrey did as bad, you can argue that she only went off the deep end because Mal & Ben never treated her with kindness.
I never noticed how problematic this song was, I thought it was a good lesson, but when you break down the lyrics, it's not terrible but it's bad. I also love the little song at the beginning and the glass slipper drawing at the end.
Thank you ❤
@@Nobody-el2eb. For the same moral, but more meat, check dragonhearth!
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Will you respond/tear apart Doug Walker/nostalgia critic's dragonhearth"review"?
The robin hood line is how i see this entire song. I can see how this song can be problematic but i dont see alot of the decendants songs as lesson for the veiwers but the overall story as the actual lesson.
The true lesson for this franchise is you are not your parents, you are you and you only, you chose to be a good person or bad.
Its like listening to ways to be wicked and thinking thats a lesson on be evil, its just a song for the characters story to progress, their Actions ARE the lessons the audience needs to focus on
Some things can be grey but that doesn't mean everything is grey. Playing devils advocate and always trying to find/justify bad behaviour thinking there is some other reason. Some people are just evil or insanely selfish and its not wrong to have a black and whte viewpoint for some stuff.
For example.
Stealing food? Can be grey if your starving/trying to feed your family
Stealing a luxary item? Always wrong, you don't need that.
stealing a luxury item actually isn’t that bad, its not an item needed to survive so your not stealing resources from anyone else, and luxury items are usually made by big corporations that can stand to lose that much money so overall no one is harmed long as you dont get caught :p
@g4llowsCalibr8tor True, but most of the time, it's not the big corporations losing. It's the retailers, and even if it is a large scale retailer we all know that money is not coming out of the boss pocket
It's always going to be the employees working for minimum wage who pay the price because if too many luxury goods get stolen then the company will write off that shop and pull out of the area, leaving the employees without an income.
@@SkyDowny true.
What if I steal a three piece suit for a job interveiw. A suit is a luxury item, but securing employment could save my life.
I also think that this song would make so much more sense if young Bridget sang it instead of Ella. The song itself justifies Bridget’s actions as an adult because by the song’s logic, it is okay to do bad things if you can see the “goodness” in your own actions. In Life is Sweeter, we already see that she kinda has a naive way of thinking. Bridget being shown to have this rhetoric before being “turned” evil by the prank could show the innate issue with this ideology which is that it’s SO EASY to use it to justify bad actions!
Given Disney's recent... actions, I can believe malus. I doubt it is, but I can believe it. And this song fits into their current morality too well. 🧼
🧼 I think Disney doesn't care about morality😊
Red should have learned that always getting your hands dirty isn’t always necessary and goodness can do good in the world
And that's why Ella might be a villain, cause that's something a villain or even anti-hero would believe
right???? like qoh turned bad with or without the cookbook being stolenn, and what she said at the beginning "You ran off with your prince" seems like an Ella problem
@@real24601gabe Irk!!! It has to be more than turning into a monster at a first dance, I'm pretty sure that what cause her to become a dictator was the feeling of betrayment after she left her for Charming, probably laughing and moving with Charming
@@braylin5003how did she get "pranked" anyways? The cook book was magicaly secured to keep people who want to abused it from reading it, wasn't it?
@Solanin0803 I guess that originally, hades and Malificent got rid of the trap and owls and probably broke the protection or at least unfreeze Uliana and Morgie (I imagine him always being on her side)
@@braylin5003 I think in a cut scene on Peder's ig, there's a pic of morg holding the spell book so I guess he somehow unfroze them. (also QOH didnt blink twice to unalive her x besty which is like so sus)
I agree with a lot of what you said, for me I saw this song as Chloe having to realize that not everyone is going to agree with/ follow her moral code. People are always going to have a justification for things they do and there’s nothing that Chloe can do to change that.
I think that the song standalone is too broad to really be effective. Within the context of the movie I saw this as her moral absolutism being shattered by her own mother, her role model up to this point. I agree that murder cannot be justified but are bystanders wrong for not doing anything to stop it? Or is it justified to ignore other people’s pain because we are “too far removed” from the issue? What does being too far from the issue even mean? Is a bystander just as guilty as a bully because of their inaction? I think that the song could’ve been more pinpointed to show that Chloe only sees red as a villain and that Red’s true wants and intentions are unknown to her, and she should question further before passing judgement so easily.
I feel like the song should’ve been used to show that Chloe is ignorant of the bigger picture and in knowing that, she should learn to critically think instead of just accepting everything she’s told at first glance. It’s a gotcha “everything is grey” moment which I think hurts it.
I actually reworked the song to be more about facing hard truth and growing from it. The truth may hurt and exposes our filth, but it also gives us something new to fight for
When it comes to right and wrong, it should be clear
It's not that simple
You're right. With so many shades of gray it's hard to hear
That doesn't make any sense
Facts are blured, lies are sweet, you'd agree
I don't know what you're talking about
You think your truth will sufice, but I disagree
I don't know you anymore
Why's it so hard to see clearly?
You can't play with the truth subjectively
Gotta get your hands dirty
Just jump head first into the mess
Gotta get your hands dirty
Push through the worst, give it your best
Sure at first, it kinda hurst, but I'll be there if you burst
Gotta get your hands dirty
To get it right
But just how far do you go?
How much do you compromise?
Oh, tell me how do you know, where do you draw the line?
It's not an easy change
The head and heart must align
You can risk your life, but if you risk your soul
Did I lose my soul?
Nice rewrite! 😲✨
Thank you😊@@TheArtisticAloubell
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Rhyming scheme was bit off.
Sorry. Im not a proffesional songwriter. 😅 @@erikbihari3625
These lyrics are so cool
14:17 okay, fair, but in the beginning of the movie, Red was warned that changing the past too much would alter the reality and cause her to loose her mother in all of them, so her wanting to steal the book does make sense, seeing that talking to Merlin could mess up the timeline.
I mean, they already messed up the timeline by being there and interacting with their mothers and everyone else. That alone should change the flow of historical events. When it comes to time travel, you either meddle or you don't...and they had already meddled. The act of taking the book for themselves is just as influential as telling Merlin about the villain's plan. Telling Merlin would have been less life-threatening for them.
@@TheArtisticAloubell Mm, you’re not wrong about that.
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Honey, sometimes meddling with history can have positive side effects, marty mcfly's family went from his whimpy dweeb father who only got the girl for pity into the confident scifi novel writer, his mom went from someone pessimistic and obviously drunk into the healthiest middle aged and married woman cinema ever seen, and their house went from barely livable dump into stylish and slightly above middle class!
@@queenbee3561. Doc brown would like one word, pal!
@@erikbihari3625 Yeah, I'm pretty sure messing with the timeline so that The queen of hearts doesn't become a killer isn't the worst idea of them all. Yeah, it fucks with the story, but it's also like, if I went back in time and I could stop a psycho from being a psycho, I'll do whatever it takes.
"For the greater good!"
Grindelwald approves this.
Given that Disney’s lessons are typically black & white, I actually found this song as a breath of fresh air given how our world RARELY gives us the privilege of just picking something as good or bad & sometimes you’re just left with picking whatever’s the lesser of 2 evils, & yes - if going to Merlin really hadn’t been an option & some words been altered in the lyrics, this song would hit stronger but overall, I think the lesson of nuance DESPERATELY needs to be shown more & maybe with time, they’ll find ways to show it better.
And as far as with the line “She could have kids she’s providing for.” sometimes you’re left with VERY few options to support yourself if you don’t have qualifications or a checkered past that people look down on you for or live in an area with very little employment opportunity - it may not be ‘right’ but morality itself often becomes a luxury you can’t afford to have in order to just survive. Does that make it okay? No. Do you always have the choice if it means you won’t be able to get by? Also no.
Just because one is left with few options, that doesn't justify hurting or inconveniencing others. I know SO many people get put into these desperate situations and are pushed to do morally grey things, but...that still doesn't make it right. Does surviving have to mean that we give up the best parts of ourselves? It really is complicated, which is why I don't think the song really had the time to properly show the nuance of this situation. Idk if it was a time issue actually...maybe just reworking the lyrics a bit. I don't disagree with the overall message of the song, just the execution.
Apparently, as long as you can dance to a song, it automatically makes it a hit, no one today listen to the lyrics... unlike me...that why my list of favorite songs is so narrow
Ok and?
Same here, better have high standards for music than just liking a catchy beat
Love the opening parody and Ong it dose song like party in the USA 😭
@@joeydoesstuff2142 thank you! ❤️✨
@@joeydoesstuff2142. Sorry, but not really.
@@TheArtisticAloubell. You're welcomed.
They both have blue hair but the flags are red immediately. "There's nothing i wouldnt do if my heart tells me its right" was a big uhoh.
🧼 Your mini parody at the beginning is a total bop, by the way. 😉😆❤🔥
Jokes aside, I still have not seen Rise of Red, but based off what you're telling here in this video... Yeeeeeeah, it does sound like this song was not the best way to teach the lesson they were trying to. 😬 Cuz yeah, this is a pretty complex topic, and I'm sure there must be a way to teach it to a younger audience that's both understandable and nuanced enough, but it feels to me like the writers missed the mark here. It's kinda reminding me of Turning Red's "Make room for the bad stuff" line, and I do not like that x_x
Also, this may sound weird, but this video weirdly made me want to see you do more song analysis xD Not that I can think of any song you could potentially analize right now, but it was oddly entertaining to see you go through line by line and picking them apart 😝 So I wouldn't be oppossed to more of these, LOL.
XD Thank you!
OHHHH that quote from Turning Red bugs me SO much. YES, the message in Get Your Hands Dirty has the EXACT same energy as that quote DX
haha! I'm glad you liked this different kind of video. If I run into another song with questionable lyrics, I wouldn't mind doing this again XD
@@TheArtisticAloubell.
A;Wasn't all bad, least the twothousands got the limelight for change, and canada doesn't get mutch love, even though thoroughout the last three years they made the best cartoons that wasn't hasbro! Although could hardly deal with the rampant support for"rainbows"their tacky, everywhere and enforce some dangerous hypocricy!
B;Maybe make second channel for purely music related stuff, maybe collaborate with musical hell, who already extensively covered the initial trilogy.
I agree and even though MLP isn't perfect, it still did a better job with handling complex topics (sometimes) in a way that kids can understand. Sure, there's been a few episodes where what they did was questionable but overall they've done a good job with using ponies to teach lessons.
@@jenmiranda13. You mean over the barrel? That episode actually done commandably actually!
@@TheArtisticAloubellIn the lyrics, there are samples that provide an explanation of Robin Hood, a legendary figure who stole from the wealthy to assist the poor. His actions, though sometimes questionable, were driven by a noble intention to help those in need. This concept is illustrated in the lyrics, suggesting that sometimes, negative actions can lead to positive outcomes, and that it may be necessary to engage in unconventional methods to achieve a just cause. I think the whole point of this song is that everyone has a little bit of good and a little bit of evil in them even if they don’t believe they have any evil inside them.
I have yet to see the movie, but based on what I've seen it needs another movie. It's like the movie was only half finished. They changed the Queen of Heart's whole personality by the end of it. There's no way Alice in Wonderland played out the exact same way after that, not to mention the Rabbit Hole wouldn't have been blocked off probably if Bridget never had the poor relationship with Auridon to begin with. I wonder how Red managed to even remain unchanged, because she would have grown up drastically different if her mother didn't become an evil dictator.
Oh it desperately needs another movie and I'm sure it'll come, but it shouldn't have to rely on another movie in order to be good DX
Shadows of Gray rewrite of this song Title: Shadows of Gray
(Verse 1)
In the morning light, I see the lines,
Right and wrong, they blur and intertwine,
Cruel and kind, they dance a delicate waltz,
Who’s to say where the truth takes its fault?
(Pre-Chorus)
Every choice we make, a path to unfold,
In the heart of the storm, where the brave meet the bold,
Oh, there's a whisper in the night, calling out my name,
Telling me to search for the love, not the blame.
(Chorus)
In the shadows of gray, where the colors collide,
We find the reasons, where the heart cannot hide,
With every twist of fate, and every tear that we cry,
There’s beauty in the struggle as the moments pass by.
(Verse 2)
There are rules for a reason, to help us define,
The fragile threads that weave our lives intertwined,
But in the depths of doubt, when the world feels so cold,
There’s warmth in the chaos, a story to be told.
(Pre-Chorus)
So take my hand, we’ll walk this winding road,
With a heart full of courage, we’ll lighten our load,
Oh, there's a spark in the dark, igniting the flame,
Teaching us to dance in a world that's untamed.
(Chorus)
In the shadows of gray, where the colors collide,
We find the reasons, where the heart cannot hide,
With every twist of fate, and every tear that we cry,
There’s beauty in the struggle as the moments pass by.
(Bridge)
And though the path may twist, and the skies may fall,
We rise from the ashes, we’ll conquer it all,
With hope as our anchor, and love as our guide,
In the vast array of life, we’ll stand side by side.
(Chorus)
In the shadows of gray, where the colors collide,
We find the reasons, where the heart cannot hide,
With every twist of fate, and every tear that we cry,
There’s beauty in the struggle as the moments pass by.
(Outro)
So let’s embrace the gray, let’s cherish the days,
In a world full of choices, we’ll find our own ways,
For right and wrong may bend, but love’s here to stay,
In the shadows of gray, we’ll learn to be brave.
Verse 1
In a world where right meets wrong,
Cruel hands and kind hearts sing their song.
Who’s to say what’s just or fair,
In the dance of shadows, we tread with care.
There’s a code that whispers to me,
Every choice hides its own mystery.
A hint of grey in the black and white,
Searching for truth in the fading light.
Chorus
So let’s get our hands dirty, dive into the mess,
Life’s a canvas splattered-give your worst, give your best.
Bad or good, should or shouldn’t, it’s not always clear,
There are universal truths that we must hold near.
Verse 2
Like valiant knights with their noble quest,
Fighting for justice, their hearts in protest.
But who’s to judge what fights they’ve won,
When the lines are blurred, and the battle’s begun?
Creepy witches with their potions brewed,
In their own way, could be misunderstood.
They might have dreams, they might have a past,
Isn’t it funny how perceptions can clash?
Chorus
So let’s get our hands dirty, dive into the mess,
Life’s a canvas splattered-give your worst, give your best.
Bad or good, should or shouldn’t, it’s not always clear,
There are universal truths that we must hold near.
Bridge
If you’re good, they say good things will come,
But the shattered vase tells stories undone.
Life’s complicated, it’s messy and real,
Can’t always keep it clean; that’s the deal.
You’re a nice girl, but your princess is showing,
Behind every smile, there’s a tempest flowing.
Chorus
So let’s get our hands dirty, dive into the mess,
Life’s a canvas splattered-give your worst, give your best.
Bad or good, should or shouldn’t, it’s not always clear,
There are universal truths that we must hold near.
Outro
So here’s to the grey, where we learn to grow,
Embracing the contrast, letting our colors flow.
Right and wrong, cruel and kind,
In this chaotic beauty, a new world we find.
Another version
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"Do anything for those you love" is a topic with it's own nuance all in of itself 😅 Our loved ones are also faced with that "right or wrong" dilemma and they sadly can't always be reliable when it comes to morality and values.
That song *could have* worked better if they stuck to their specific scenario ("when is theft okay?""what if this?""what if that?"), because then it would have been a reflection of the characters' values and it would have advanced the movie's conflict rather than teaching kids that it's *always* okay to do morally ambiguous things because they *feel* like it's the right thing to do.
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don't get me STARTED on how unearned the ending felt 😭
FRR LIKE THEY MISSED OUT A LOTT
I’m blaming run time. That usually makes lessons sloppy
The witch line was more than enough to make me want to skip the rest. "Love ain't it" is the best villain song though.. that song was brilliant. (In my opinion)
Even looking at it is pure nightmare fuel.
I also thought the song was problematic, I didn't like it very much. But what I thought was an objectively worse message was with the red queen. The fact that the entire reason she is an evil, homicidal, TYRANT is because of a HIGHSCHOOL PRANK! A high school prank turned this sweet girl into a despicable, cruel woman who oppresses her people and murders them just for being out past curfew. It's like saying Stalin was a bloodthirsty and ruthless leader because he was bullied in middle school. I could go on a whole other rant about Red and her song at the beginning of the movie but that would make this longer then it already is. Thank you for reading my rant
The queen of hearts bugged me so much. I mean we have Ella saying how Bridget is so strong for being nice to her tormentors, which I agree with. It's hard but I do believe you should be kind to those are mean to you and it's an admirable trait. (Note: This doesn't mean you have to take their abuse. You can still stand up to yourself and others without being cruel) But then she just doesn't anymore. She totally forgot that was one of her skills and she just gave up a guess and turned into a evil tyrant and MURDERER to INNOCENT people because of others actions. And then the movie is solved by adjusting history so she didn't have to face hardship. By the movie's own logic Bridget is a weak person who is only kind because she didn't have to overcome challenges.
The movie would have been better if they went back and stopping the prank didn't fix the present, maybe the prank was a red herring or something I don't know. Anyway Red would have to use her knowledge of the past to remind Bridget of who she was and how she's strong enough to overcome her hatred and resentment. I mean it still wouldn't have solved the whole mass murder thing but hey it's better than just: Oh it's okay for you to be evil if people were mean to you. Newsflash: Someone's going to be mean to you! And it doesn't mean you can spawn a dictatorship regime and make life miserable for hundreds, thousands, or millions of people!
Hah your face in the background totally sums it up its no surprise that Disney lose their authenticity
To my opinion, Descendants always had a running theme to prove you could be a rough around the edges and still be a good person. I guess they were trying to say that again with this song. That being said, I do understand your points. Sometimes it feels like being good just to be is a sign of weakness, and it's truly not a weakness. So in a way I guess it really depends on the situation, considering who's right or wrong. But that is my opinion.
I hate that everyone seems to push the whole "morally gray" thing these days... Stop trying to justify evil, Disney! >:/
Exactly. Especially when it comes to sympathetic villains. Like, the point is for them to be sympathetic and understandable, not justified. If they’re justified, then they’re not villains.
@@christiantwist3360not all antagonists all evil. But VILLAINS are all evil. Agreed.
Can't make more live action movies about evil bad guys secretly only being evil because they were mistreated if you don't push the message 😂
Remember how they tried to turn Cruella into a "tragic villain"? The puppy-coat lady?!
Liking songs, especially when they’re problematic in hindsight, can be complicated and loaded. “The Bunny Song” from VeggieTales had a deliberate bad message that caused parents to overreact which, caused the songwriter(s) to edit it. As a result, it not only muddied the message but also now makes no sense. It was from an adaptation in Daniel about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendnego. For context, this came out in the mid 90s. An example of changed lyrics were from “I don’t love my mom or my dad” to “I don’t love my soup or my bread”. No, my parents were not among the outrage.
At the end of the day the execution of the message is arguably more important than the message itself; you can have the best message but come across confusing. Thanks to one of my college professors, I consider context more.
On surface level, I thought it was a good message.. I do think it's important to do the right thing and sometimes it may involve defying authority or breaking a few rules as long as it follows moral/ethical guidelines and if it's for the right reasons... I think that's what Red and Chloe did and had in mind when saving Bridget.. However, it is easy to take lyrics too literally, and we don't want to justify things that are morally wrong or getting "revenge" I think compared to the other songs (except for the song with Uliana lol since it literally says "revenge") this song does have a negative connotation and like I said the concept can be taken too far which wouldn't be good.. Most of the songs from the franchise I like cause they are either about love, justice, pride, or happiness. With the VKs their songs did make sense at the time since their mindsets were different back then, but that did not stop my previous school from banning "Rotten to the core" from the school talent show lol. Anyway, I enjoyed this video and great analysis :)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for watching ❤
This song never sat right with me. It was catchy but something felt off. Glad to know you were able to find it!
Thank you! I stopped the movie at the point to talk to my daughter to explain just because an idea is in a movie, doesn't mean it is a good lesson. This song REALLY rubbed me the wrong way.
I'm glad I'm not alone in this
🧼 This song is so problematic, you sang about it.
XD
@@TheArtisticAloubell
Your singing voice is so beautiful Aloubell
My phone weirdly doesn't have the soap emoji but you can have a delicious cookie 🍪😋
Ahhh thank you thank you! ❤
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Ourselves thank you!
@@TheArtisticAloubell You are very very welcome Aloubell! 🍪
🤣 I was not expecting to be hit with 🎶 "this song is problematic" 🎶 *available for streaming where available* ! (which happens to be this video.... So enjoy! 😂)
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I feel like the reason they TRIED to give her not to tell the principal wasn't because he was a bad person that couldn't help them, but more like a "if he is a good guy, and a guy powerful enough to stop uliana, there gotta be a reason he couldn't do it in the first timeline, so we can't consider his help, he was here the last time bridget got transformed and bullied, and he couldn't help Bridget, why would he in the same time and place, being the same person" but they just put way more wholes on this stupid story, cos now the reason the villans got stopped, was because of something that merlin would be able to stop in the first time line and does not explain why in the first time line they werent stopped, cos they were stopped without the protagonist interfering at all
Great video! I loved the intro. When I first heard this song, I was also kinda shocked by the lyrics. It's funny how they're alluding to morally "getting your hands dirty" while they're cleaning the garden. Seems like nothing should stay dirty.
@@everythinggirly916 thank you! ✨
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Rough around the edges, but can get chiselled, and ultimately;"Shine"! Speaking, ever cover the two lovely genie twins?
That's the point. The end is good. The garden gets clean, but they had to touch a lot of filthy garbage to make it that way.
@@andresomerville4896 I know but I'm sure they washed their hands afterward. If you do something morally wrong, you can't just wash your hands. You can either face the truth or find an excuse.
@everythinggirly916 In a good story, crossing moral lines would have downsides even if things turned out for the best in the end.
It's also hilarious to me that her mom in the past was so upset that Chloe got a reward for being a good person.. when it was clearly a complete surprise gift. I really hope they address this because they set it up that they have to (though I know just because they set it up that way they won't always address it) show why and how Cinderella changed her mind later on.
what’s even funnier is that Ella is Chloe’s mom, and SHE was the one that gave Chloe the reward🤣🤣🤣
@@xxizzyo8xx Exactly why I said I hope they explain why she changes her mind as she grows up. It makes no sense
Since you speak from the perspective of a christian girl, let me speak from the perspective of another christian girl. Sorry for bed english, it's not my first language. There are some wrong things with the song but not so many. There are even verses in the bible that speak of how showing marcy, love and being just is not the some thing with follow the rules. The idea that life is more grey then white and black is present there and is specify that making the right thing sometimes go against the rules. Yes, they could say it a bit clear in the song but it's not that bad. About the witch that sail potions, if you sail me a knife that doesn't mean that I have to hurt someone with it or that you are evil for giving me a wepont. I can use the knife to cook or to protect myself. She could have say that mabey the witch doesn't know the reason why people buy potinns, but it's not that bad. And about the "follow your heart" parth, I may be wrong here because of the meaning of these in your country but in my country follow your heart means show mercy, love and compasion. It doesn't mean follow your emotions. I live with the impresion that it means the some thing in english too.
after watching this movie, and psycho analysing this song, I'm actually full on believing that Ella did the prank, not Uliana and her gang. the lyrics towards the end "But just how far do you go? How much do you compromise? Oh, tell me, how do you know? Where do you draw the line? There's nothing I wouldn't do if my heart tells me it's right, If it's for someone I love, If it's to save a life." helps back up my theory, if Ella was willing to do anything for someone she loves (probably charming) and to save a life (Bridget??) and the book can only be opened by those with a pure heart (not the vk's duh!) then Ella might've been the one do to the prank if Chloe and Red didn't change the time line. Feel free to correct me or add something :)
This situation of problematic lyrics in song about morality reminds me a lot of 2 songs from Hazbin Hotel, Happy Day in Hell and You Didn't Know. In the first one Charlie is touching about how horrible hell is and that is full of the worst people who ever lived ,while the second one is about the hypocrisy of angels for killing demonds to handle overpopulation in hell and how things aren't black and white.
I wanted to point out both of them because I think Happy Day in Hell makes You Didn't Know worse by condradicting it. The first song was litteraly about all the horrible people who live in hell like murderers ,rapeists, cannibals etc. only for the second song where they refer to all sinners as inocent souls. Like you said while it's true that there are gray areas black/white situations still do exist.
And I know that the extermination angels Adam and Lute admited that they are only doing it for fun , that still doesn't changes how Charlie's problematic view on morality, especially since none of the sinners from that song showed any signs of regret or empathy towards others. And Angel Dust with Sir Pentious don't count since we don't know how they both died and just because they can be redeemed that doesn't mean every single sinner is going to do the same.
Yeah, take Alastor for example, he loves his mother, but was a cruel serial killer in life and hasn't changed one bit, still, the problem is the self fulfilling prophecy dilemma, so afraid is heaven of a hell uprising that they exterminate them for it and that might push the sinners to do just that. Charlie believes redeeming the sinners is best, but she's ignoring the fact that irredeemable sinners do exist, though she has a point in questioning why Adam and Lute are allowed to stay in heaven while they are evil.
Angel died from a drug overdose. His entire family is a Mafia family. I think the point of you didn't know is the fact that they don't want to give sinners a chance to be redeemed but Angels are allowed to do whatever they want and still be in Heaven. Not to mention nobody knows what actually gets you into heaven as Adam is a complete asshole, misogynistic, and overall bad person but somehow still made it into heaven.
@@TheSpawnfan I feel like season 2 is gonna teach Charlie that not all people are redeemable. Vivzie said the V's will play a big role is season 2 and I don't think she's going to take the route of trying to redeem a literal rapist who makes one of the main characters lives miserable.
@@lexyruse603 I guess that is the point, but if it really is then why did Sir Pentious go to heaven? I know that he fought alongside others to save the hotel only to get blasted by Adam and he also showed that he only acts to be the tough guy , but it still didn't make sense that he got his redeemtion like thanso easilly. What exactly he did to reddem himself to go to heaven, especially since we don't even know what got him in hell in the first place?
To me the world isn't black and white are saying the world is just gray is way too vague the world is not black and white and it's not just Gray it's multiple shades of light gray and multiple shades of dark gray there are people who do good things for good reason people do bad things for bad reasons people who do good things for bad reasons people who do bad things for good reasons and people who are in a general just neutral or people who are leaning closer to either one of the scales or somewhere on the scale of black to white you almost never fully be white or almost never be fully black there's always some nuance and if I'm wrong I'm sorry
I just think the character of Ella is not supposed to portrayed that way, she's literally Cinderella and this version of her was meaner, colder and resentful towards people that have more money than her, hating the ball etc. I mean, sure, it makes for a realistic reaction from someone that lived the way she did but that was the thing with the Cinderella in every adaptation and original, she, instead of reacting like most people, remained kind and optimistic through it all and was rewarded by life for it
🧼First of all: Your singing is beautiful 💕
And I think the problem of this song and its message is that it does not different between excuse and explanation. Best seen in the line where Ella says the evil witch could have kids.
It's an *explanation* not an *excuse* .The song should've differentiate these things more and state that, as you said, the context matters.
Ahh thank you ❤
And very well said!
@@TheArtisticAloubell Your welcome :)
Also did anyone notice how Chloe changes her wig MANY times during the movie? 😂
I don't think I noticed while initially watching, but after many people have pointed it out, I see it now. I'm honestly not mad at it! It's more funny than anything XD
I still love the song but god the way they explain it is so bad i personally don't think there's objective morality so rverything is gray but not in the way the song explain it kids aren't gonna get the right message from this doing morally gray stuff because your heart tells you it's right is literally the most common villian trope😭
In my opinion, it’s definitely okay to have a song like this as long as the rest of the movie rectifies it. However, I’m not sure whether or not that’s the case. Probably not, but it would be a cool story if the two characters both learned about this complex topic.
It's rather funny to me (rather laugh than be sad lolo) that literally at every angle this movie made no sense.
I can mostly agree with the points made in this video. I was a bit put off by the examples of what things are objectively wrong to do. They didn't really feel like good examples in the context of a children's movie (killing people or cheating in a relationship). I mean, those aren't really things children's movies should tackle anyway. But that is minor.
What I am more confused by is this perspective where Cinderella is not viewed as a character. Ella (as the younger version was called) is still suppose to be a teenaged character with her own strenghts and weaknesses. She is not an all-knowing mentor despite the fact that her daughter looks up to her. The whole comment about the vase or how she scoffed at Chloe being rewarded for being a good person? That was a teenager being a bit petty. Cinderella's whole story starts with how she has to slave away and is never rewarded. It is only natural for her to be a bit cynical as a teenager.
@@mitsusah2612 I can respect why Ella has this mindset as, yes, some things she says might just be part of her character flaws. However, the story has not yet had an opportunity to agree that she is flawed yet. The movie framed the things she said as if she were all the way in the right, and that's more what I take issue with.
I'm a Christian too relistening to this song u have a point I agree 💯 rewrite this song to make more since
Hello fellow Christian! 😁✨
Your singing voice at the start is actually so adorable!!! Full album soon?????
Thank you!
I love this video I love that you're breaking down the song and explaining.
Thank you for watching!❤
I never cared for the idea of there being "shades of grey" in the world to begin with. I was raised to believe there truly ARE two sides to human behavior, passive and chaotic (otherwise known as good and evil.) Sure, not all bad guys are exactly how we perceive them but not ALL bad guys have some form of "nuance" behind their actions. There are people who genuinely cause chaos for the sake of it and people who act evil also for the sake of it.
There's no rhyme or reason behind their actions, it's just basic nature to them. So, to question good and evil too much leaves more questions than answers
The way I see it, there are shades of grey however not everything is a grey area. I find this problem in real life too, people acting like there's always another side when clearly one person was just bad.
Stealing food from a shop? That can be a grey area if its someone starving or trying to feed their family.
Stealing a luxury item from a shop? That is always bad as you don't need it.
@@Markus2E5I6 In terms of the Robin Hood thing, Robin didn't take EVERYTHING from the rich; he only took the excess wealth some of them had and when he gave it to the poor, these were people who were either on the brink of starvation or those who were homeless
@@SilverScribe85 yeah hence why its a grey area. People's lives were in danger. The intention changes the action from grey to black. Stealing food because you can't afford it and need it? Grey. Stealing a ps5 because you can't afford it? black as you don't need a ps5 to live
I think a lot of it chalks down to adhering to modern trends. In current media, morally gray characters and redemption arcs have been rising in popularity, and is Disney is better known for creating straightforward heroes and villains.
This movie is intended for adolescents and teenagers. Kids of this age should have an understanding of context and allusion. There is no time to explain context or nuance. That's not the purpose of the song. These movies follow a formula, and each song has a purpose in moving the plot forward. The nuance and context are built on in the rest of the movie and other songs.
You'd be surprised....but your also not wrong. But it doesn't help that the bad deed she wants to do makes no sense seeing as they really could have just gone to Merlin for help.
Someone talking about a problem that they have with Rise of Red? What else is new? No but seriously I have seen more videos of people complaining about this movie pop up than I have seen people talking positively about this movie
I mentioned good things about it in my formal review of the movie 😁
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Wich why you're beloved!
Thank you so much for this video, i had the exact same thoughts about this song. As soon as i heard it, it seriously pissed me off for that same reasons as you
Your videos are getting better and better with time!, I loved the intro, and, in my opinion, Descendants 1 is better than Descendants 3, I never liked Audrey as a villain, Hades character is a little weird, and the decision of breaking the barrier is... questionable. But that's just my opinion.
Aww thank you ❤
There will always be exceptions to rules and sometimes you got to do what you got to do to survive what your love ones need to survive?
8:50 Heard this song before watching the movie and I have to agree with this sentiment. The setup that Chloe had about being rewarded for being good not making you good really made me rethink if I was a good person. It's nice to hear this talked about because I can only imagine how kids and young teens may feel if I feel this way after it.
I'm a realist, so I can see a little bit where Ella is coming from, but I agree there are certain things that shouldn't be crossed!
The little song at the beginning of the video was so cute and fun.
thank you
After seeing the lyrics, I get they struggle with the duality here.
It would also be cool to see the lengths Ella would go through instead of just seeing the queen as hearts as the only evil main character here.
Did Ella have to do something to maintain the kingdom. Kind of like the trolley problem debate.
Also, show that Chloe knows Ella’s words are problematic and she is debating over listening to her mom or sticking to her own moral code.
But that is really difficult to put in a short track, but it could be done by either shortening the chorus or make the verses longer.
It feels like a first draft.
Great points!
I get that this is going to be unpopular, but I don't think Robin Hood needs more context than "stealing from the rich to give to the poor" to be seen as morally right becuase the innate power dynamic of people who are POOR (ie living in poverty) co-existing with people who are filthy rich is unequal, unfair and exploititive. Yeah stealing isn't the ideal way to fix this but no system that makes rich and poor people is going to be fair enough to fix itself even in the long term. So really Robin Hood should have started a revolution.
TLDR taking from the rich and giving to the poor is innately a good thing, so though Robin Hood would have done better to set up the wellfare state a few centuries early what he did was the next best thing so right regardless of context.
(becuase systems where rich and poor exist basically just means the rich legally steallign from the poor)
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1:31 wow it's been a while since I last heard that song! how oddly hilarious that these are that similar (tune-wise) 😂
Remember when years ago Crazy Ex-Girlfriend made the song "nothing is ever anyone's fault" and it was clearly satire and the joke was the characters being totally wrong?
And now Disney's like "accountability is dumb!"
Reminds me of The Little Mermaid. When Triton destroyed Ariel's treasures, it was an act of anger already based on trying to protect her daughter. It was wrong, it was cruel, and could have definitely been handled better, but wasn't. At least we got a good story out of it. And at the end, Triton did another bad thing by giving himself up to save his daughter from a rigid contract(That one feels like the perfect grey decision. Both options given to Triton sucked)
I think that's treating the song a bit too literal with the ,,there are objectively good and bad things" I think it was a hyperbole/figure of speech when it said about everything being in the shades of grey and the song itself is making that clear by "contradicting" itself with the chorus. Also I subjectively think your objectively good/bad things aren't everyone's good/bad things, for every "objective" wrong or right thing, there could be an example of a circumstance in which it seems more complex or gets people to at least think and argue about it and that makes it morally grey (even if that shade is pretty dark). The witch as well, I dont think she ever implied that suddenly her actions are justified, just that it becomes more complicated and morally grey as per theme, going with the pattern of ,,["objective person"] but [circumstance makes it grey]", with the whole song as context I think its more clear. Over all I feel like you're taking bits and pieces of the lyrics, analysing them on their own without the context of the whole song or patterns in it thus misunderstanding the message.
I'm not misunderstanding the lyrics at all. I watched the movie, I know what the conflict was, but I can't take away from the fact that the first time i heard the lyrics, they rubbed me the wrong way and here I am discussing why.
And I understand that situations can be complex, but even if life's circumstances are hard, there's never a good excuse to hurt anyone else or inconvenience people especially when they don't deserve it. I'm not saying we don't all dab in that to some degree, but that doesn't make it right. Explanation for one's actions is not the same as justification. For the witch, I understand that what she's doing is for her loved ones, but that doesn't make it right. All I wanted was for the song to acknowledge that what she was doing wasn't right, regardless of reasoning, and I would have been fine.
I don't disagree with the message of the song. I just think some of the lyrics are clumsy and could potentially be harmful. If reworked a bit, I think it would have been fine~
@@TheArtisticAloubell exaclty, explanation doesnt mean justification. I dont think the song was justificating anything or saying it was right, it was following the theme of grey areas and the thing about grey is exactly that its not black and white which I think you're interpreting it that way, like if they say it had a good reason then they must be saying it was all a good thing over all, which they explicitly say that its just complicated and grey. I think maybe if they added a tiny ,,it doesnt make it right but you can see her point of view" then fine it could've been even more clear even tough in my opinion its already fine as is.
The songs literally came out of nowhere
I agree when listening to the lyrics I personally think they should make the descendants movies to be for mature audiences and be explicit if they can't explain things about the world and people in a kids and teens movie tbh. Bc it is very complex and complicated. Like not everything gotta be about kids/teen movies you know? Cuz sometimes they sneak in adult jokes in kids/teens movies and shows that the adults will notice that kids/teens won't. I get that they tried to make kids/teens to understand the world and such but the lyrics and messages they try to convey is very problematic as u said. Like I said I personally believe they should make these movies mature and explicit for young adults if they gonna write a song like this. Like not every movie gotta be kid friendly u know what I'm saying? I love ur thoughts and analysis on the song and the movie ☀️🦋✨💓💓💕🌸💋
Thank you for sharing your thoughts
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"as a Christian" what's objectively innocent? aren't we all born sinners? in that case there are no objectively innocent people and therefore your whole premise of "objectively good deeds" or whatever goes out the window, are you really a good person or are you just after the prize at the end? Before we hit that debate point, you can be rewarded for being a good deed without it taking away from the deed, but realistically, that's kind of the whole point of christianity, you're conditioned from an early age(generally, i know there are those who "find god" later in life) to believe being a good person gets you into the afterlife and being a bad person gets eternal punishment. Also that "Creepy Witch" she has a customer base, and guaranteed they're not always "evil" by the definition you've given either. Objectively this isn't a discussion you can have without your own subjective thoughts and feelings getting in the way because you're the only one who's having the conversation. I did enjoy hearing your take on this though and hope this doesn't come off as terribly disrespectful.
When I say "innocent" I don't mean in the context of sin. When I say "innocent" i mean is someone who didn't do anything wrong to receive the blunt of someone's malice. Like, if you're ever only nice to people, then you don't deserve to have stuff stolen from you or for someone to hurt you. You didn't do anything to earn the consequence of such terrible acts. I never said the words "objectively innocent." I said there is objectively good and bad, kind and cruel.
Besides, in Christianity, you don't have to be a "good person" in order to be saved. All you have to do is believe that you are a sinner, believe Jesus is the Son of God, and make Him your Lord and savior. There's no level of good any of us can do to be saved, so no, we don't do good works to get into heaven.
That being said, you should do good works simply because they are the right thing to do, or, in the case of actual Christians, are inspired by Jesus/want to please Him.
And regarding the witch line specifically is "Creepy witches selling potions for evil deeds." The line directly implies that she's selling potions that she knows have bad outcomes for others. Sure, she could be selling these to help her kids, but that is merely a reason for what she's doing, that does not justify her actions.
All I wanted from this song was an acknowledgement that just because we are pushed sometimes to do morally questionable stuff for good reasons, doesn't mean that that morally questionable act is okay. Sometimes it can be (i.e. with Robin Hood) and sometimes it's not.
Having said that, I appreciate your final sentence and that you enjoyed the video ^^ Thank you for watching!
I agree. Especially because by following your heart 24/7 it can sometimes lead to situations like what happened to Ben, Mal, & Audrey (but worse).
If there's an existing couple but one of them has a "heart that tells them" that they are meant to be with another person that they just met, that would negatively affect the existing relationship.
Ofc, if it's a hypothetical person, I don't think it's wrong to end a relationship since sometimes you just know based on circumstances that your current relationship will only end in disaster if you force it but if you don't break up with them AND you find someone else (which could lead to cheating even if the people involved aren't necessarily at that level of familiarity), it's not okay.
Can totally see where your coming from and I agree,
To me, Getting your hands dirty means, doing the revolting tasks that come with having a furry friend. (Pet), yes gardening, the unpleasant tasks of being a parent.and cleaning the house. That is why i have this song in my chores playlist on spotify. And ya I think it would be better if the girls went to merlin.he could suspend or expell Uliana and her crew. Maybe that will happen if there is a 5th movie.
I think that giving the context of what Chole was questioning (should she help Red break in and steal) that song actually pretty good. I get that morality is complex and there are definite bad and definite good but since this movie is still targeted to kids, thankfully under normal circumstances most of them don’t know what k*lling or ass@ult are. Yes I know that in the movie Cinderella got beheaded but it wasn’t shown to us and Queen of Hearts was shown to be in the wrong.
With Robin Hood, I think it’s one of these stories that are just so wildly known the explanation doesn’t really need to be there, and Robin Hood is a good argument but it’s a song and they can’t break down corruption and all that and again kids, under normal circumstances, wouldn’t known what that is.
The line about following your heart is very Disney, is it necessarily right? No, not really, but it is very Disney and fairytale in general that if you stay true to yourself and always follow your heart things will turn out fine, and I think it is wishful thinking but then again, Disney/fairytale formula.
Overall I think that Get Your Hands Dirty is pretty good as an introduction to the concept of choices being morally gray and I wouldn’t necessarily call it problematic as a whole. I understand overthinking (I am an overthinker) but sometimes analyzing the song from an adult perspective just isn’t worth it. It’s pretty clear what the message tried to convey without overcomplecating it and not all songs need to have an ideal message to be enjoyed, people enjoy villain songs and they sell us all the bad ideas.
@@zuza3377 I respect your view on things. But I personally couldn't help but be bothered when I first heard the song. It honestly just rubbed me the wrong way. I understand what they were going for and it's not a bad concept, I just didn't care for the execution.
I don't think this song should get a pass the way that villain songs do. Villains are painted as obviously in the wrong, so we can feel free to enjoy their songs knowing they are wrong. But with a song like Get Your Hands Dirty, it is sung by a "good guy" and it is framed like that character is right in their thinking instead of the movie calling them out on some problematic thinking. That's more why I take issue with it.
But hey, to each their own!
I feel like the song could be a bit better worded but I read the courus more as a "don't let people tell you you have to do something because you're told it's 'morally correct' instead if you have to do something that's seen as not completely moral than do it" and as for being " dangerous for kids" this is something where I feel kids arw sold short. I loved more morally questionable charecters as a kid and so did other kids I knew because they weren't black and white. I feel it wasn't explained as poorly as you think. I've found adults seem to missunderstand the message more than kids too. I ask my 11 year old sister and she can say (paraphrased) "you need context to say if something or someone is good or bad" yet I've seen adults comeatly bounce around as if it made 0 sense. I love your art and the video but I also wanted to explain how I've seen the misunderstanding come more from adults or older teens than the kids because we look for more nuance than what the movie wanted us to.
Thank you for your respectful comment! And I understand what you mean. I don't disagree with the message of the song...I just think many of the lyrics are clumsy and can be interpreted the wrong way that can lead to harmful consequences. While, yes, kids are smarter than many adults give them credit for, there are still kids who do, can, and will take things literally...which is why they need the adults in their lives to steer them in the right direction. Many MANY people shape their ideologies and such off of the music they listen to, so wording does matter.
Ella definitely has some strong opinions, and she's in her right to think certain things, but...eh...such clumsy lyrics that needed some more editing and maybe the movie not framing her as 100% right. Sure, there will be a part 2 to this story, so who knows what direction the story will take her in, but as of now, the song rubbed me the wrong way >_
I get it, but ultimately, while some of the lyrics may not be cut and dry, the overall message that life's decisions are not always cut and dry and can affect people. For example, what you think may be a good choice may cause a bad thing to happen to someone else. I think that is more the message this movie was getting at, but let me know if you can see it from that perspective.
Yeah I just watch the movie today and when I heard the song and I was just like....something is off. xD Glad to know I wasn't the only one who noticed. When it comes to ranking the movies Descendants 2, 1, 3, and 4.
I feel like you need to take your own advice, Context is needed, your looking at the song objectively instead of a whole, alone sure it sounds weird but with the movie it makes sense so if you don't take the dilemma into consideration it will sound off. Plus I'm sure you don't need to spell it out for the audience I'm sure they can put two and two together. Chloe is choosing whether stealing the book in order to save her mom is good or bad so the song makes sense. Seeing as it's for the greater good, yes stealing is stealing but it's to save a life. Yes listening to your heart sometimes may lead to bad decisions but at the moment that's all you got. Plus getting your hands dirty from time to time is something we humans do everyday, good or bad who's to say because something that may be good to you may be bad to others.
@@preciousvhinnawa7495 I had full context. I watched the whole movie and I understand what the song is trying to say. I don't disagree with its concept. I disagree with the execution. The first time I heard the song I was put off by it but ultimately didn't think more about it. But the more I listened to the song, the lyrics bugged me. I think with a bit of reworking, the song would be fine.
@@TheArtisticAloubell i understand what you mean. It dose have some weird lines but I also agree with the song. To me good isn't always good and bad isn't always bad, by adding context a good thing can become bad and vice versa. It's not a song that I could say is harmful to kids, as it dose make some good points.
9:46 It’s actually Ella who sings the _Sometimes you can’t afford to play it clean_ -line. Not Chloe.
My bad! I knew I'd mess up who said what at some point XD
@@TheArtisticAloubell I mean, does it really matter? Your point still stands.
Damn you got a good singing voice
Aww thanks!❤
@@TheArtisticAloubell: Your welcome
yes, but i dont think you should let a DISNEY movie teach your kid(s) morals. i can understand this for more impressionable kids, but you shouldn't let a disney movie, let alone really any movie, teach your kid(s) morals in the first place. i think if you see a problem with a movie/ song, you should tell your kid(s) what is bad about it and tell the kid. so while i can agree with you, i think people should remember- movies like this are more for entertainment than education and you shouldn't let a disney movie teach your kid(s) any morals.
edited to make this sound less aggressive
This might be the best take I've seen so far. Everything in entertainment (books/movies/songs/etc) first goals are to be at least mildly entertaining & to make money, especially the ones from big studios. Everything else is an afterthought to those goals.
Parents do still need to parent their kids and teach them about right & wrong, entertainment like this are just the conversation starter on how sometimes situations can be grey and shouldn't be treated as the entire message. Kids can still get good morals from entertainment, but parents/teachers/etc need to help with the nuances of said moral that the entertainment didn't give.
I was listening to the lyrics and was like "What!? Yeah no"
I completely agree with your points here....honestly, I hadn't listened to this song before but I paused this video to go listen to it and I immediately knew why you felt it was problematic...that's not a good lesson for kids and is something they needed time to dive deeper into...
(also very random side note. You should check out the video game Life Is Strange because your discussion of consequences for actions made me think about the nuances of that game-even though it also sometimes missed the mark. It also has one of my favorite Christian characters ever, despite the story being overall secular).
Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts ❤❤❤
In conclusion 🍪🧼🎶Yea-ea-ea-eaaah! do better next time disneey🎶🤣
Great job as always! 👏
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I'm not going to lie the Aloubell in the thumbnail is kind of scary.
I really like that emote and I never get a chance to use it XD
So I insert it when I can haha
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6:40 yeah! man.. why does it feel like this kinda mindset is becoming more common these days D:
“Falling for the villain” has more nuance then this song .
🧼Exploring the concept of morally grey actions in a fairy tale setting, which normally only has objectively right and objectively wrong actions, is actually a really interesting idea. However, this was not the way to do it. Instead of saying that there is no way to know what is right and wrong or that every action has shades of grey to it and that you should just do what feels right, I think that the characters should have been put into a situation in which there was seemingly no right answer and be forced to make a choice. Or maybe our characters can learn that sometimes, there can be more than one right answer and that others aren’t always the villain just because they do things differently than the heroes.
I think the song and its lyrics alone are mostly fine. I think the problem was that the rest of the film should have provided the context and nuance, but didn't. A song can only have so many lyrics, and going into a full philosophical debate in a short, fun, poppy music number probably wouldn't work without a lot of time and talent to perfect.
For a Disney example, though it's not a nuanced message that needs further elaboration, but rather of a song with a deeply flawed message that the rest of the narrative contradicts: Honor to Us All from Mulan. If you read those lyrics, they're about how woman are "pearls" and "dolls" whose only purpose in the family is being pretty and polite enough to get matched to a good husband and bear children. Then Make a Man Outta You shows the opposite ideal, about how a man is only good if he can fight and be strong and mysterious. But by the end of the film, Mulan defies both these expectations and shows that the true value lies in being different, thinking outside the box, and not letting expectations hold you back, like when all the other soldiers dressed as women to better infiltrate the palace and trick the Huns.
So, in a better film, this song could have worked just fine as written, assuming the rest of the film defined what lines you cross are gray and which ones are black or white. But since it doesn't, yeah. Bad message.
ACTUALLY....! Yeah, I agree with you ^_^ That's a fantastic point! And a great example!
This movie had me wondering what happened to the King of Hearts. Did Bridget behead him after Red was born?
In the Tim Burton “Alice in Wonderland” the queen did behead him but than again that movie has nothing to do with this franchise
Good question! Though I'm sure it won't be answered haha
I used to not like the song, than I started liking it, now I’m rethinking everything 😅😅
My interpretation of this song was that these rules apply to this fantasy world that the characters are in - As an adult, I can slap that lense on there and not confuse it with an application for reality, but of course kids is a different case. They could be influenced by it. Personally, though, I can still enjoy it.
Just watched personally(both songs, even the weird parody for good measure), and not know what you're talking about girl. But good singing!
Thank you 😁
@@TheArtisticAloubell. Nope, thank you, for the lovely performance, darling! ;)
🧼 This song doesn't fit in this movie very well. Red is the only morally gray character in this film. The other villains are treated like black hearted monsters. Lady Tremaine, Uliana, and the Queen of Hearts are all pure evil. The fact that Bridgette got bullied in high school does not make all of her future murders morally complex.
Red really IS the only morally grey character im this movie!
That's why I liked Red, but when I saw the motivation for Bridget/Queen of Hearts I was like.... no.
A lot of Disney songs are problematic. The entire Descendants franchise is problematic and a rip off of Ever After High! However, I like that they gave Cinderella blue hair! It's giving Malvina from Pinocchio's Return/Buratino's Return and I'm here for it!
After showing the song, YIKES! I'm never letting my kids watch these kinds of movies. There's a few Disney movies I specifically picked out but my future children are not going to be Disney kids. Also, I don't know the story of Robinhood real well (other than he wears green tights) but thanks for explaining the song and lyrics. I agree that it has a bad message.
I think you’re overreacting and if a kid actually ends up getting this message then they probably would’ve gotten it elsewhere if they hadn’t watched the movie. But I am literally not even an adult yet and you were being incredibly respectful the entire video and I might be wrong and at the end of the day, I did like the video and you made some great points. Have a nice day.
It's just how the song came off to me. It's okay if you don't agree! Thank you as well for being respectful 😁❤️
Ok not trying to be rude this is just an analysis
The way I see it (and maybe this is a negative way of viewing things). There are only two types of choices, black and gray. someone someone can do something terrible for absolutely horrendous reasons but on the other hand every single thing we do even if it’s a good deed is from some form of self righteousness, or some other selfish tendency that humans biologically have. No matter how far we have progressed in our society, humans will always subconsciously do it for themselves even someone who sacrifices everything for everyone else is really doing it just so that they can feel good about themselves. That is a form of morally gray morality. When we do something good, we get satisfaction or dopamine and we continue to do good things in order to receive that that in itself is selfish. I’m not claiming that everyone in the world is a bad person but more that every action stems from a form of natural self preservation of our physical and mental health.
As for Ella statements on getting rewarded for good deeds, I do not entirely disagree with her while getting rewards is not an inherently bad thing and it is better than getting gifts out of nowhere. The sentiment is still true. When parents or people in general, keep giving rewards to kids for doing good deeds or getting good grades eventually those rewards stop and the now extremely confused Kid will look for other more negative ways to get attention. The way I was raised taught me that rewards and praise cheapens hard work and instead the recipient receives dopamine from the reward and not the satisfaction of doing something good.
While I agree that people shouldn’t steal from innocence most of the time when people are in a negative financial situation, they steal from big corporations Corporations that are nowhere near innocent plus I doubt anyone in that kind of situation is watching a Disney movie????
It is the parent’s job to tell a kid what is right and what is wrong and then the kid can figure it out for themselves while they grow up not a Disney movie!
Regarding the part where getting a reward cheapens hard work, I disagree. Sometimes the dopamine you get from the reward eventually transfers over to doing a good job without the reward. Case in point: when I was young, my parents paid me for good grades. So of course, naturally, I was motivated for the money. But eventually, the money stopped, but I still desired to have good grades and it brought me satisfaction knowing I did a good job.
So that's definitely possible.
@@TheArtisticAloubell that is true!! there are different situations and different reactions I guess I should have said sometimes it cheapens the hard work my comment is mostly share my position on this video. Which is why I thank you for responding to my comment it means a lot to know you input is being read and not just ignored. Despite the fact that I have a different opinion on this video I still really enjoyed it, going by each lyric was the smart thing to do and it showed that you were truly thinking about it instead of making some outlandish claim for views. It’s truly inspiring to see someone who cares about what they do keep up the good work!
@@ArsonFroggy_TheLostFrog Thank you