Awesome video series, Brad - thank you! I purchased the full set of tools from Brad and performed the valve mechanical timing adjustment on my 2019 R1250GS. Both sides intake and exhaust cam timing was off by a few degrees, and my bike runs better (quieter and more power) after performing this procedure. Interestingly, the valve clearance was OK on my bike, and from what I can tell by reading the BMW repair manual procedures in the DVD I have, the valve timing procedure is only done if the valve clearances need to be adjusted. So in my case, the valve timing would not have been accomplished by the dealer.
Very thorough very complete instruction and how to accomplish these tasks. After watching the video though, you talked me out of buying an R1250 RS. Seems like a giant PITA to me. Valve adjustment and cam timing are not something that you can ignore. I’d like to avoid the dealership at all costs due to my experience with them. Thanks again for helping me avoid the headache!
The point here is that you can do this, or let me do it for you, and it will be done for the rest of your ownership of the bike. It just needs to be to the 12k point to be broken in and stabilized from new assembly, then when the Cam Timing and Valve Clearances are set correctly, they STAY set for 100k plus. Having worked extensively on HexHeads/CamHeads, and now WetHeads and ShiftHeads, I think the last 2 generations of the Boxer engine are well worth the experience of ownership...and maintenance.
@@kramer2965 Oversimplified, but this puts the engine back to factory original settings. The mechanical components of the valve train can be adjusted/compensated for normal break-in changes.
I only recommend changing to the “new” style CCT if you have some chain slap noise when the engine is fully hot and at idle. It’s not really detrimental to the engine, just an annoying sound.
You don't need to change the oil when doing the Cam Timing/and or/ Valve Clearance Check. Typically, the oil that drains out of both LH and RH valve covers is about 5-6oz total, or about 180ml. The remaining oil in the engine is not contaminated or affected at all.
Nice helpful video. Dont own a R1250 but am considering one. Given your tool list, several are specialty tools. Any idea what dealers charge to do this?
Last week I did a Cam/Valve Service on a bike that just had a 12k service done for $800. That 12k service did not check or adjust Cam Timing, which it needed, and only checked valve clearances to be within the range, not setting them to a desired target value.
I read somewhere you sell this set of specialty tools: tdc pin, cam chain tensioner tool, cam alignment tool... is this true, if so where can I order them ?
I have transferred my inventory and production to a full fledged CNC machine shop and that shop will be able to fulfill orders very soon...I will make the announcement primarily on the BMW R1200/1250 Forums, like BMWST.com
I don’t doubt it. It’s near impossible to find competent mechanics nowadays. I can tell from your videos that your skills and wisdom are exceptional. Unfortunately between work, life and winter soon approaching, that’s a trip I can’t make this year.
Considering the relative infrequent need to perform this service, is the only/best way to purchase these tools from you? Or, is it possible to rent them for a week? Please comment on how a person would obtain these tools from you. Thank you.
Hi Andrew, as of now, I don't have a set of tools that are available just for rental. I may dedicate a set of tools for that purpose when I'm at the end of my supply of Cam Chain Tensioners since that is the real limiting tool in the set. Right now, I have about 20 sets of Cam Chain Tensioners built and about 15 more to machine, but that's the end of the supply...and I may be done making them. I can easily produce the other tools like the Engine Turning Tool, the TDC Tool, and the Torque Adapter, and I'm starting production of the Cam Alignment Jigs for the ShiftHead engines, but that will also have a limited run of production. For availability and pricing, send me a PM on www.BMWSportTouring.com Forum. Username Boxflyer
LOL He sure placed a big dent on most stealers. Then again, those that can easily afford a GS, can easily afford the cost of these expensive services, the problem is if the stealer actually does the job.
I don't mean to compete with any dealership, I really wanted to show owners that this service (not called for in routine schedules) can be done by a competent mechanic if you have access to the special tools required.
Brad, I purchase the BMW cam chain tensioner tool on ago. I'm doing the cam timing and valve adjust today. I can't find instructions on the BMW cam chain tool. Don't know how to set the tension. Know I've seen videos previously, possible one of yours. Can you help?
Got the cam chain tensioner tool figured out. No instructions found, just used intuition. Successfully aligned/timed cams. Valve lash was in spec. Thank you for you great videos!
Did you have all 3 Cam Timing Tools? 1) TDC Locking Pin, 2)Cam Chain Tensioner with 15mm Sleeve, 3)Cam Alignment Jigs...there are published procedures for doing this along with correct Torque values...intuition will leave you far off the mark when it comes to doing Cam Timing and Valve Clearance Checks.
@@Boxflyer11 . Yes, I have all the BMW tools. Watched all your videos, including use of your chain tensioner. Couldn't find specific info on the BMW Chain Tensioner, but deductive reasoning led me to the correct use. Similar to your tool, it is screwed in until seated, then tension is applied until the tool "breaks" like a torque wrench. Upon "breaking" no further tension can be applied. This is when the cams are timed. I followed all your instructions for cam timing and valve lash, including all torque values.
I understand how the tools work, it was not clear if you used all the tools needed to align the cams, and if you had enough data for the specs on the process. Your reference to intuition is what my comments were about.
Having done valve lash adjustments on many different motorcycles over many decades, I am completely adept at the procedures. Your succinct videos make the steps crystal clear. I use your Torque Sheet, and Timing/Clearance Worksheet. While this could be a daunting and complicated chore, your instructions make the job easy. Thank you.
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Blown away by your thoroughness. Just bought a new R1250RS and will be doing all my own maint. Killer vid!
Thanks, I try to cover what you need to know to decide if you want to do this job yourself.
Awesome video series, Brad - thank you! I purchased the full set of tools from Brad and performed the valve mechanical timing adjustment on my 2019 R1250GS. Both sides intake and exhaust cam timing was off by a few degrees, and my bike runs better (quieter and more power) after performing this procedure. Interestingly, the valve clearance was OK on my bike, and from what I can tell by reading the BMW repair manual procedures in the DVD I have, the valve timing procedure is only done if the valve clearances need to be adjusted. So in my case, the valve timing would not have been accomplished by the dealer.
Glad you enjoyed the series Bob, it was fun doing it.
Very thorough very complete instruction and how to accomplish these tasks. After watching the video though, you talked me out of buying an R1250 RS. Seems like a giant PITA to me. Valve adjustment and cam timing are not something that you can ignore. I’d like to avoid the dealership at all costs due to my experience with them. Thanks again for helping me avoid the headache!
The point here is that you can do this, or let me do it for you, and it will be done for the rest of your ownership of the bike. It just needs to be to the 12k point to be broken in and stabilized from new assembly, then when the Cam Timing and Valve Clearances are set correctly, they STAY set for 100k plus. Having worked extensively on HexHeads/CamHeads, and now WetHeads and ShiftHeads, I think the last 2 generations of the Boxer engine are well worth the experience of ownership...and maintenance.
All bikes need valve clearance checks , all brands all models. You'll have some job avoiding this.........
@@listerthat Incorrect. Not bikes with hydraulic lifters.
Hi. Please explain the benefits of cam timing adjustment. BTW, fantastic video series. Makes me think I might attempt this myself.
@@kramer2965 Oversimplified, but this puts the engine back to factory original settings. The mechanical components of the valve train can be adjusted/compensated for normal break-in changes.
@ Thanks much for your reply. On another note, do you recommend switching out the left tensioner for the newer version? I have a 2019 GS.
I only recommend changing to the “new” style CCT if you have some chain slap noise when the engine is fully hot and at idle. It’s not really detrimental to the engine, just an annoying sound.
@@Boxflyer11 Excellent. Thank you for lending your insights and expertise.
Hi thank for your Videos, they are very helpful, i have a question, this tools can be use on a r1200gs 2015?
All these tools can be used, but the Cam Alignment Jig is different for the 1200.
Thanks.
You're welcome
I need to obtain the specialty tools for when my service comes due.
Contact me VIA Private Message on www.bmwsporttouring.com/
for information about buying a Set of these DIY Cam Timing Tools.
Boxflyer
Assuming you want to change the oil prior to the valve work, can you do so. Or does this require you to drain the oil?
You don't need to change the oil when doing the Cam Timing/and or/ Valve Clearance Check. Typically, the oil that drains out of both LH and RH valve covers is about 5-6oz total, or about 180ml. The remaining oil in the engine is not contaminated or affected at all.
Nice helpful video. Dont own a R1250 but am considering one. Given your tool list, several are specialty tools. Any idea what dealers charge to do this?
Last week I did a Cam/Valve Service on a bike that just had a 12k service done for $800. That 12k service did not check or adjust Cam Timing, which it needed, and only checked valve clearances to be within the range, not setting them to a desired target value.
$.10/mile. 6000 mile check up $600.
I read somewhere you sell this set of specialty tools: tdc pin, cam chain tensioner tool, cam alignment tool... is this true, if so where can I order them ?
I have transferred my inventory and production to a full fledged CNC machine shop and that shop will be able to fulfill orders very soon...I will make the announcement primarily on the BMW R1200/1250 Forums, like BMWST.com
@@Boxflyer11 Thanks for the reply Brad, any idea of cost and timeline ?
To be announced, but it will be normal Boxflyer Cam Timing Tools...just more precise and refined.
Excellent info/videos. Where are you located? I really want you to do my 12k cam timing/valve check
I’m in Rhode Island, where are you located?
Utah. Unfortunately, You’re a long ways from here.
I’ve had people ride from further away than that to get their bikes serviced.
I don’t doubt it. It’s near impossible to find competent mechanics nowadays. I can tell from your videos that your skills and wisdom are exceptional. Unfortunately between work, life and winter soon approaching, that’s a trip I can’t make this year.
Considering the relative infrequent need to perform this service, is the only/best way to purchase these tools from you? Or, is it possible to rent them for a week? Please comment on how a person would obtain these tools from you. Thank you.
Hi Andrew, as of now, I don't have a set of tools that are available just for rental. I may dedicate a set of tools for that purpose when I'm at the end of my supply of Cam Chain Tensioners since that is the real limiting tool in the set. Right now, I have about 20 sets of Cam Chain Tensioners built and about 15 more to machine, but that's the end of the supply...and I may be done making them. I can easily produce the other tools like the Engine Turning Tool, the TDC Tool, and the Torque Adapter, and I'm starting production of the Cam Alignment Jigs for the ShiftHead engines, but that will also have a limited run of production.
For availability and pricing, send me a PM on www.BMWSportTouring.com Forum. Username Boxflyer
@@Boxflyer11 Sorry if I'm late to the discussion but is there a price list for your tools?
@@garystevens5883 Contact me VIA Private Message on www.bmwsporttouring.com/
for information about buying a Set of these DIY Cam Timing Tools.
Where can I buy a set of the jigs? Thanks.
They may be available around the first of the year.
I just got a set from Max BMW, online parts order went through.@@Boxflyer11
Where is the best place to get these specialty tools and do you sell any of them?
I do sell these tools. Please contact me on the bmwsporttouring.com Forum and my username is Boxflyer there as well.
Hello, can you send me a price for tools please?
I can be reached at BMWST.com user name Boxflyer
LOL He sure placed a big dent on most stealers. Then again, those that can easily afford a GS, can easily afford the cost of these expensive services, the problem is if the stealer actually does the job.
I don't mean to compete with any dealership, I really wanted to show owners that this service (not called for in routine schedules) can be done by a competent mechanic if you have access to the special tools required.
Brad, I purchase the BMW cam chain tensioner tool on ago. I'm doing the cam timing and valve adjust today. I can't find instructions on the BMW cam chain tool. Don't know how to set the tension. Know I've seen videos previously, possible one of yours. Can you help?
Got the cam chain tensioner tool figured out. No instructions found, just used intuition. Successfully aligned/timed cams. Valve lash was in spec. Thank you for you great videos!
Did you have all 3 Cam Timing Tools? 1) TDC Locking Pin, 2)Cam Chain Tensioner with 15mm Sleeve, 3)Cam Alignment Jigs...there are published procedures for doing this along with correct Torque values...intuition will leave you far off the mark when it comes to doing Cam Timing and Valve Clearance Checks.
@@Boxflyer11 . Yes, I have all the BMW tools. Watched all your videos, including use of your chain tensioner. Couldn't find specific info on the BMW Chain Tensioner, but deductive reasoning led me to the correct use. Similar to your tool, it is screwed in until seated, then tension is applied until the tool "breaks" like a torque wrench. Upon "breaking" no further tension can be applied. This is when the cams are timed. I followed all your instructions for cam timing and valve lash, including all torque values.
I understand how the tools work, it was not clear if you used all the tools needed to align the cams, and if you had enough data for the specs on the process. Your reference to intuition is what my comments were about.
Having done valve lash adjustments on many different motorcycles over many decades, I am completely adept at the procedures. Your succinct videos make the steps crystal clear. I use your Torque Sheet, and Timing/Clearance Worksheet. While this could be a daunting and complicated chore, your instructions make the job easy. Thank you.