@@CanYouRollaCrit no experimentation allowed, I already have the models painted and they're too pretty to risk doing any structural work on them, plus World Eaters/Khorne berserkers aren't big fans of anything that doesn't come with a chain sword or chain axe so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The company heros box might be a good option. Since you get a leader which you can build with a power fist and plasma pistol, 1 marine with a unique heavy bolter, and the other 3 marines could be proxies for your sergeants.
I did this. I'm using the power sword and pistol operative as my assault sgt. The bionic fist man is my gunner. I'm working to convert the champion to carry a heavy chainsword. Then I just have some normal assault intercessors for the grenadier and warriors.
I think the heavy gunner on Gallowdark is going to be amazing. If he carries the portable shield for the 2+, or use the stealthy tactic for the two auto retains, and uses his sweeping profile for the lethal 5+ because of torrent with the sharpshooter chapter tactic for severe. He will become a literal tank. Combine this with your grenadier, gunner, and normal intercessors with auto rifles and you have a wild team.
Do you plan to review kasrkin or vet guard? I looked over their rules and the kasrkin and guard both look more fun this edition, they kinda did what you’ve been suggesting in your vids with the kasrkin orders. I thought of some strats and combos with them, but it’d be nice to hear an actual pro player’s opinions 😆
This looks so awesome, as an elite player and someone who enjoyed at times to play Intercession this is like a wet dream. Im kind of nervous about the phobos changes tho. Im gonna check the other video with all factions now. Thank you for all the hard work your doing!
I can't wait to see your opinion on this. Personally I find the changes to Stalker Bolt Rifle to be the best thing from the new set, alongside the new operatives...even if they're tempting me to buy older boxes
Sad that 'Combat Knives' are no longer an equipment choice, to make shooting Intercessors into more multi-role, but the new 'Purity Seals' seem really good. I guess it makes sense for game balance to get rid of the knives, so that you have to make a choice between a melee geared team or range optimal team. If you could be both, the team would be too good.
Well, I just glued my Captain with Fist+Plasma out of Company Heroes box, got my Eliminetor squad with Bolt Rifles up for paining as well as squad of chunky Intercessors so I know what I'll be doing tomorrow... Just hope that no one will complain about my Sergeants... Intercessor has Fist+Auto Bolt and Assault - Plasma+Hammer but so far no one did, at least they are very well distinguishable from the rest. Problem is my Assault Grenadier, which I haven't choose to do... (forgot to do but shhhhh:P) Anyway, I like this team already. Thanks for review! 👍
The intercessor sergeant, (the shooty one) is definitely underrated. Free devastator doctrine is powerful, the stalker bolt rifle is more flexible and less of a let down than the plasma, and he has a power weapon. A beast.
So I saw in another thread, between the two board games at target you get 6 marines (5 adventure + 1 titus) that could slot in as this kill team fairly easily.
I'm painting my last mini for an Intercession team, so relieved AoD are more or less the same with a couple more guys. Gives me a chance to paint up an Eliminator
I’m building this team for my friend and I started a couple weeks ago before I knew about this team getting made so I rebased a sniper to be on 32mm and now I guess I gotta put him back on 40mm
Is it me or is the Sniper absolutely fucking busted? So ridiculously versatile with Silent attacks with Blast, Devastating and Seek Light+Saturate, can also move around and shoot, and a 3+ save? For comparison, the Yaegir Riflekyn's rifle matches the numbers of the Mortis profile, except the Yaegir is full Heavy instead of Dash, and the profile can only be used the first time the Riflekyn shoots each game, after which he must be on Engage to shoot.
purity seal: -"once per TP": it means this equipment can be use only one time in the TP -"when a": it means that only one operative can use it in the TP so the purity seals can be used one time per TP and only by one operative?
I appreciate Primaris Marines having the same statline as Chaos Marines. Giving them the same stats makes it easy to run a team of firstborn marines without it feeling wrong. As someone who deeply hates Primaris Marines, this is good for me. The only problem is the heavy weapons guy having more wounds, but whatever. The weapon choices are pretty lame too but oh well.
@CanYouRollaCrit Not if he is a firstborn devestator. Maybe you could sub in a Terminator with a Storm Bolter and just use the same profile, idk. I'll probably just run a regular devestator just say he ate his veggies. Anything but gravis armor, I dispise gravis armor. I really wish there weren't so many bolter variants. I miss flamers, plasma guns, and combi weapons. My poor friend who plays Salamanders is destroyed.
@Retrofun69 I can't do that. Space Marines without helmets feels wrong to me. All of the resources and training it takes to make a Space Marine, and then they get killed by a stray ork shoota shot because they didn't wear a helmet. Plus, I have larger issues with Primaris Armor as a whole.
A little mad I made all of my warriors with Autobolt Rifles. I think some arms are gonna get ripped off when I get home. Also I feel like their ranged options really outclass their melee now? There's probably gonna be a lot of instances of Assault Intercessors just running up and shooting their heavy bolt pistol twice instead of trying to figure out risky charge angles. Especially with pistols now having 8" of range.
In the new edition, most snipers ended up with concealed position. But snipers like the eliminator in angels of death can stay in conceal all day long and never be shot from some positions. Specifically on vulkos at the top of the ruins, there isn't enough space to charge him there and fight, but with the new vantage rules, the floor also gives cover, and there is light cover in front. So how would you shoot him? Some teams don't have access to seek light or seek. Is it just an invincible sniper getting damage for free every turning point? This is especially problematic because eliminators can stand in a way to prevent others from climbing up since they have 32mm bases.
Broken rule, this team has been buffed way too much, invincible sniper, no neg modifier to overwatch/retaliation, 3 objectives, lots of heavy weapons now and no real nerfs.
I’m just getting into Kill Team. I’ve been working on a Grey Knight army for a while, and I was wondering if they can be used as angels of death? I believe they had a Grey Knights option in the past? Is there any word on them having an updated option for 2025?
@CanYouRollaCrit I'd have to decide on how to do the Phobos non-eliminator. I'd guess he'd have the bolt carbine as his weapon, a close combat weapon, and the grav shoot ability which might allow him to deploy within six inches of the drop zone maybe? Or give him reiver tactics and apply shock to his heavy option for the bolt carbine.
I'm new to KT. I just read the Angels of Death rules, the new starter set doesn't seem to be enough to build a Kill Team right? Since you need 1 Commander and 5 Operatives?
But let's say I instead decide to run the eliminator sniper, the intercessor gunner (grenades), and two assault intercessors, ... which sergeant would you run? Thanks.
@27:24 "If they are on engage one of them can do do 2 counter actions" Is this something different from the "wrsth of vengeance" ploy? Because i didnt see anything about being able to only use it once and it doesnt say you have to be on engage? Unless i just missed which is possible because im a horrible reader xD Thanks for the content btw, love all your vids ❤
I’m still confused on how you buy this team? Are we still expecting a box set or is games workshop expecting the flagship army killteam to be the least accessible? No way they expect you to hunt down the Justian models or casually buy three units to extract six models.
New player here, something I'm slightly confused about is are all kill teams getting a box set like Nemesis Claw? I was originally trying to figure out how to build up a hunterclade kill team which is how I found out about the "2 box" teams. Are these factions getting 1 box sets too?
Okay okay, hear me out... Captain = Custodian shield-captain with a plasma spear (I know it exists... maybe) Heavy int = Bolter custodian Sniper = inquisitor assassin? Assault = SoS sword Intercessor = SoS bolter
@@CanYouRollaCrit oh nice! I also just saw the “other than warriors your kill team can only include each operative on this list once” so that answers my question. The * is for choosing between the eliminator and the heavy gunner!
@@CanYouRollaCrit It's just so weird since they aren't really at all desirable for 40K as far as I know, maybe they got better points wise? I noticed the competitive aspect of 40K usually drives these things
Just a box of assault intercessors with the right chapter tactics and aggressive playstyle should be pretty good, I'd reccomend that to expand into shooty intercessors you should buy pairs of arms online for cheap to attatch to the running bodies, that way you don't need to buy another box. As for the Eliminator or Heavy Intercessor, you're gonna have to look for through the second hand market aswell, but I assume that it won't be particularly cheap
@@tommynorman5609 That's true, I forgot about that as I believe that set hasn't been available in my country. If you have access to that model, you should absolutely use it!
26:50 3d printer go brrr I actually am interested in kill team again though. Played the original edition until (1) it just got to be too much with like 3 books and (2) got enough to play full 40k. Then 2nd came out with shapes being used as measurements, and that was just stupid, so seeing that I didn't bother. Real big shame they just decided to take away kill teams that didn't get a KT specific product. Bit shit if you ask me.
This team is just strike force Justinian mixed with a little intercession and is still the same boring ultramarines kill team that it already was in the last edition. Blood angel players do not be fooled into thinking it's a good team to play as blood angels. It would just be playing red ultramarine's and it isn't nearly as fun as that sounds. The first game I played with them and i was already bored of playing them half way through the game. It lacks any non ultramarine flavor. I respect the ultramarine's, but boy do I hate playing as them being a blood angel player, and I refuse to play a traitor marines team to get that feel.
Glad to see my "oops all assault intercessors" got a bit of a buff since last edition
Some experimentation allowed 😂
@@CanYouRollaCrit no experimentation allowed, I already have the models painted and they're too pretty to risk doing any structural work on them, plus World Eaters/Khorne berserkers aren't big fans of anything that doesn't come with a chain sword or chain axe so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The company heros box might be a good option. Since you get a leader which you can build with a power fist and plasma pistol, 1 marine with a unique heavy bolter, and the other 3 marines could be proxies for your sergeants.
Oooh good shout!
I did this. I'm using the power sword and pistol operative as my assault sgt. The bionic fist man is my gunner. I'm working to convert the champion to carry a heavy chainsword. Then I just have some normal assault intercessors for the grenadier and warriors.
This aged veeery well :D
I think the heavy gunner on Gallowdark is going to be amazing. If he carries the portable shield for the 2+, or use the stealthy tactic for the two auto retains, and uses his sweeping profile for the lethal 5+ because of torrent with the sharpshooter chapter tactic for severe. He will become a literal tank. Combine this with your grenadier, gunner, and normal intercessors with auto rifles and you have a wild team.
He's great but Sniper means no one can hide from him 👀
RIP my Custodes, but glad Intercessors were my back up team. Here we go, Angels of Death!
You've got a solid backup!
Do you plan to review kasrkin or vet guard? I looked over their rules and the kasrkin and guard both look more fun this edition, they kinda did what you’ve been suggesting in your vids with the kasrkin orders. I thought of some strats and combos with them, but it’d be nice to hear an actual pro player’s opinions 😆
Yup! I'll be doing 2 faction guides daily from today until I've covered every faction! Will just be a matter of time aha (:
THE BEST OF THE BEST
yooo my goat is here ❤
Krakduk? I didn't expect such illustrious company in our ranks
@@CanYouRollaCrit awesome I’m looking forward to it. The amount of videos you’ve been putting out is insane😂
This looks so awesome, as an elite player and someone who enjoyed at times to play Intercession this is like a wet dream. Im kind of nervous about the phobos changes tho. Im gonna check the other video with all factions now. Thank you for all the hard work your doing!
No worries! Yeah they're super fun and thematic
I can't wait to see your opinion on this. Personally I find the changes to Stalker Bolt Rifle to be the best thing from the new set, alongside the new operatives...even if they're tempting me to buy older boxes
You'll like 👀
Sad that 'Combat Knives' are no longer an equipment choice, to make shooting Intercessors into more multi-role, but the new 'Purity Seals' seem really good. I guess it makes sense for game balance to get rid of the knives, so that you have to make a choice between a melee geared team or range optimal team. If you could be both, the team would be too good.
Yeah knives going is sad but everything else is so good
Awww, no stabby-stabby? I wanted to get my Retributors Chapter on...
Well, I just glued my Captain with Fist+Plasma out of Company Heroes box, got my Eliminetor squad with Bolt Rifles up for paining as well as squad of chunky Intercessors so I know what I'll be doing tomorrow...
Just hope that no one will complain about my Sergeants... Intercessor has Fist+Auto Bolt and Assault - Plasma+Hammer but so far no one did, at least they are very well distinguishable from the rest.
Problem is my Assault Grenadier, which I haven't choose to do... (forgot to do but shhhhh:P)
Anyway, I like this team already.
Thanks for review!
👍
No worries, thanks for watching (:
The intercessor sergeant, (the shooty one) is definitely underrated. Free devastator doctrine is powerful, the stalker bolt rifle is more flexible and less of a let down than the plasma, and he has a power weapon. A beast.
Yeah it's great
Excellent stuff! Looking forward to getting the starter set!
You won't be disappointed!
Nice team! I'm using my Black Templars too. I'm looking at a mixed team, two shooters, and the captain and two assault intercessors? ....
Heavy intercessor better than sniper on ITD. Running round corners with heavy bolter super fun
Run and gun literally
So I saw in another thread, between the two board games at target you get 6 marines (5 adventure + 1 titus) that could slot in as this kill team fairly easily.
Oooh yeah that could work
I'm painting my last mini for an Intercession team, so relieved AoD are more or less the same with a couple more guys. Gives me a chance to paint up an Eliminator
Yeah it's a nice surprise
same here
Good job, thanks
Clearly time to upgrade my Wolfspear Intercession Squad, thanks!
The wolftime is now
I’m building this team for my friend and I started a couple weeks ago before I knew about this team getting made so I rebased a sniper to be on 32mm and now I guess I gotta put him back on 40mm
Yeah he's gotta go back on 40mm
I think im planning on running my regular power armoured Sisters of Battle as AoD - compendium might be gone but its close enough!
I don't think they scale up tho?
Is it me or is the Sniper absolutely fucking busted? So ridiculously versatile with Silent attacks with Blast, Devastating and Seek Light+Saturate, can also move around and shoot, and a 3+ save? For comparison, the Yaegir Riflekyn's rifle matches the numbers of the Mortis profile, except the Yaegir is full Heavy instead of Dash, and the profile can only be used the first time the Riflekyn shoots each game, after which he must be on Engage to shoot.
100% - thought exactly the same, so OP compared to every other sniper
Sniper is very strong. You must do everything to stop him getting the tallest Volkus vantage
purity seal:
-"once per TP": it means this equipment can be use only one time in the TP
-"when a": it means that only one operative can use it in the TP
so the purity seals can be used one time per TP and only by one operative?
Correct (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit thank you
A review already? That's quick! After how many games?
I've played a few (:
I appreciate Primaris Marines having the same statline as Chaos Marines. Giving them the same stats makes it easy to run a team of firstborn marines without it feeling wrong. As someone who deeply hates Primaris Marines, this is good for me. The only problem is the heavy weapons guy having more wounds, but whatever. The weapon choices are pretty lame too but oh well.
He is a chonky guy tbf
@CanYouRollaCrit Not if he is a firstborn devestator. Maybe you could sub in a Terminator with a Storm Bolter and just use the same profile, idk. I'll probably just run a regular devestator just say he ate his veggies. Anything but gravis armor, I dispise gravis armor. I really wish there weren't so many bolter variants. I miss flamers, plasma guns, and combi weapons. My poor friend who plays Salamanders is destroyed.
I mix and match and honestly I use as many non-helmet heads as possible. Its the helmet that its the most annoying to me.
@Retrofun69 I can't do that. Space Marines without helmets feels wrong to me. All of the resources and training it takes to make a Space Marine, and then they get killed by a stray ork shoota shot because they didn't wear a helmet. Plus, I have larger issues with Primaris Armor as a whole.
A little mad I made all of my warriors with Autobolt Rifles. I think some arms are gonna get ripped off when I get home.
Also I feel like their ranged options really outclass their melee now? There's probably gonna be a lot of instances of Assault Intercessors just running up and shooting their heavy bolt pistol twice instead of trying to figure out risky charge angles. Especially with pistols now having 8" of range.
Yeah assault are a bit worse. Don't rip em off! Just make it clear to your opponent each game (:
In the new edition, most snipers ended up with concealed position. But snipers like the eliminator in angels of death can stay in conceal all day long and never be shot from some positions. Specifically on vulkos at the top of the ruins, there isn't enough space to charge him there and fight, but with the new vantage rules, the floor also gives cover, and there is light cover in front.
So how would you shoot him? Some teams don't have access to seek light or seek. Is it just an invincible sniper getting damage for free every turning point?
This is especially problematic because eliminators can stand in a way to prevent others from climbing up since they have 32mm bases.
Yeah it's a big issue imo. All snipers should be concealed position
Broken rule, this team has been buffed way too much, invincible sniper, no neg modifier to overwatch/retaliation, 3 objectives, lots of heavy weapons now and no real nerfs.
It sounds like it’s pretty OP
I’m just getting into Kill Team. I’ve been working on a Grey Knight army for a while, and I was wondering if they can be used as angels of death? I believe they had a Grey Knights option in the past? Is there any word on them having an updated option for 2025?
Nah no dedicated GK atm but you could run them as AoD
Do you always suggest the Power Weapon on the sergeants? What about Power Fists on the Intercessor Sergeant?
Nah if you want fists take the captain
So the Sergeant is always power swords?
@pwootton24 yeah, not a fan of chainsword and plasma
This makes me kinda wanna build a homebrew team with the Space Marine 2 setup more akin to the OG Strike Force team
Oooh nice, sounds fun!
@CanYouRollaCrit I'd have to decide on how to do the Phobos non-eliminator. I'd guess he'd have the bolt carbine as his weapon, a close combat weapon, and the grav shoot ability which might allow him to deploy within six inches of the drop zone maybe? Or give him reiver tactics and apply shock to his heavy option for the bolt carbine.
I'm new to KT. I just read the Angels of Death rules, the new starter set doesn't seem to be enough to build a Kill Team right? Since you need 1 Commander and 5 Operatives?
Nah starter set has enough models to build a legal team
love this team, lucky i have all the bits already one way or another so wont need to buy a new justinian box ( still buying anyhow - coz. )
Oooh nice!
But let's say I instead decide to run the eliminator sniper, the intercessor gunner (grenades), and two assault intercessors, ... which sergeant would you run? Thanks.
Probably the Captain imo
@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks.
Phobos vs Angels : which do you prefer and why ? And which one is better right now ?
Angels
@27:24
"If they are on engage one of them can do do 2 counter actions"
Is this something different from the "wrsth of vengeance" ploy? Because i didnt see anything about being able to only use it once and it doesnt say you have to be on engage? Unless i just missed which is possible because im a horrible reader xD
Thanks for the content btw, love all your vids ❤
Ploys are only oncer per TP unless the commando reroll (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit has that always been a thing? or is that new to 3rd? my friend and may have been playing wrong lol
@@CanYouRollaCrit Yeah i found it lol, one day i will learn how to read i swear
For chapter tactics are they assigned to one operative or the whole team?
Whole team (:
what sounds nice about them they really sound like hulking Space Marines almost ignoring everthing.
Just like in the SM2 game as well aha
Hmm AOD or phobos for my next KT 😅 both require me to biy 2 kits for a full roster
Angels then imo
@@CanYouRollaCrit I will take that on board then. Thank you 😊
My poor deathwatch 😢
Yeah it's a shame
I have the models to make an awesome Angels of Death kill team, but I've lost my deathwatch
Oh no ):
Man I'm bouta be a fiend with these bois and my Corsairs
Oooh 👀
Notification set 😊
Thanks (:
As a new player, will this team get released as a stand along box? Or because of how different you can make it/its games workshop that won’t happen?
No idea but probably will?
The starter box set comes with both sniper and heavy bolter??????
Yup
I’m still confused on how you buy this team? Are we still expecting a box set or is games workshop expecting the flagship army killteam to be the least accessible? No way they expect you to hunt down the Justian models or casually buy three units to extract six models.
I'm sure they'll make it easy to get
I really hope they do put out a Justian box >
They probably will
New player here, something I'm slightly confused about is are all kill teams getting a box set like Nemesis Claw? I was originally trying to figure out how to build up a hunterclade kill team which is how I found out about the "2 box" teams. Are these factions getting 1 box sets too?
Ah Hunter Clade are part of the White Dwarf teams who never got dedicated boxes
Can you run more than one gunner? Can you have gunner and grenadier together?
You can only ever take 1 gunner operative but you can take him with the grenadier
Is heavy bolter a 40mm base?
Yup 40mm!
Okay okay, hear me out...
Captain = Custodian shield-captain with a plasma spear (I know it exists... maybe)
Heavy int = Bolter custodian
Sniper = inquisitor assassin?
Assault = SoS sword
Intercessor = SoS bolter
Nah model scales don't work imo
@@CanYouRollaCrit dangit. I'll make it work!
Would the eliminator still be on a 40mm base for killteam?
Yup
So are they releasing also the white dwarf teams before the 5th?👀
No idea
It looks like the grenadier is not limited, is that a mistake?
Nope, all grenadiers are like that (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit oh nice! I also just saw the “other than warriors your kill team can only include each operative on this list once” so that answers my question. The * is for choosing between the eliminator and the heavy gunner!
19:33 For the love of god, please tell me I am not the only one who is exclusively hearing pissing crits whenever he wants to say piercing.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
How sure are you that this counts as a new team so will get 6 years support and not 3? That's pretty huge if confirmed somewhere.
It's considered a new team
What's going on with the phobos kill team price on ebay?
Wait for the rebox 😅
@@CanYouRollaCrit It's just so weird since they aren't really at all desirable for 40K as far as I know, maybe they got better points wise? I noticed the competitive aspect of 40K usually drives these things
As a new player… what way do I build this without buying 3 different boxes
Now way sadly 😅
Just a box of assault intercessors with the right chapter tactics and aggressive playstyle should be pretty good, I'd reccomend that to expand into shooty intercessors you should buy pairs of arms online for cheap to attatch to the running bodies, that way you don't need to buy another box. As for the Eliminator or Heavy Intercessor, you're gonna have to look for through the second hand market aswell, but I assume that it won't be particularly cheap
@@omnissiahGaspar the Space marine Tyraniad kit comes with the heavy gunner. Not sure if it’s legal for play though
@@tommynorman5609 That's true, I forgot about that as I believe that set hasn't been available in my country. If you have access to that model, you should absolutely use it!
What would be the best way to buy these cheap?
Ebay?
Singles on eBay. Not completely ‘cheap’, though.
Pasma pistol. It's what the weapon becomes when you roll a 1 and it's melting your hands off. 🤣
No Ls allowed
Finally!
Its coming
26:50 3d printer go brrr
I actually am interested in kill team again though. Played the original edition until (1) it just got to be too much with like 3 books and (2) got enough to play full 40k. Then 2nd came out with shapes being used as measurements, and that was just stupid, so seeing that I didn't bother.
Real big shame they just decided to take away kill teams that didn't get a KT specific product. Bit shit if you ask me.
Ah compendium was just a stop gamp
Where can i download the new Intercessor rules?
On Warhammer Community
There is none available for me
Same, no downloads available at all for Kill Team. Guessing the rules will be uploaded when the new edition releases.
There is an app "Kill Team: the app" - it has lite rules and all the squads in it.
They are available on the kill team app
So wait wheres deathguard?
They're not loyalist primaris marines
This team is just strike force Justinian mixed with a little intercession and is still the same boring ultramarines kill team that it already was in the last edition. Blood angel players do not be fooled into thinking it's a good team to play as blood angels. It would just be playing red ultramarine's and it isn't nearly as fun as that sounds. The first game I played with them and i was already bored of playing them half way through the game. It lacks any non ultramarine flavor. I respect the ultramarine's, but boy do I hate playing as them being a blood angel player, and I refuse to play a traitor marines team to get that feel.
Relax xd
This is, I sense, going to be controversial no matter what is said
Nahhhhh
@@CanYouRollaCrit just seen the rules. Not bad. Pretty middle of road but laughed at the size of the chonky boy heavy bolter