Boxing Is Useless Against BJJ
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2023
- JRE Podcast Host, UFC Commentator & Stand Up Comic Joe Rogan Talks To Luis J. Gomez About What Martial Art Is More Useful Between Boxing And Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
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Boxing is useful. Grappling is useful. Kicking, kneeing, elbowing and headbutting is useful. All can end a fight.
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facts, the danger of these skills is wielder and situational dependent
It’s amazing how this isn’t common sense. Everyone just watches UFC and suddenly become experts on it and say the dumbest shit like “a boxer would never sleep an MMA fighter in a street fight” like my guy; it literally just depends on the fighter; all tools are useful as the other. One punch, one kick, one takedown, one of any of these is all it takes for a fight to be over
@idfan3143 that's true but everybody with some experience gotta tell you rule no1 is to stay on your feet in a street fight. Some coward gonna soccer kick you while you try to grabble your opponent, it happens all the time
@@Plutonic_Blue CORRECTAMUNDO
These BJJ nerds are getting so delusional omg
They literally sniff crotch all day. What do you expect those swamp fumes to do someone's brain
It's so fucking funny
Nah it’s just facts. Seen videos where Jiujitsu blue belts are actively choking out boxers left and right
@@uriel6873well you definitely ain’t choking out anyone so zip it
@@uriel6873😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
Even as a BJJ practitioner Joe admits you need more. Good for him
That's the beauty of Joe. He never limits himself to one thing, whether it's an idea or a martial arts. He always tries to keep an open mind.
Joe is a mma person. Black belts in Karate, taekwondo and Juitsu!
@@user-pl9ox6ls9q absolutely, but I’m pretty sure he has basically said they were trash and he wishes he’d never done karate or taekwondo.
@@josholdham1033well that's odd of him to say considering it made him a more complete martial artist
@@JesRocWitMe don’t quote me on that, I’m going by a memory of him saying that and I don’t know where to find the clip necessarily . You are absolutely correct in the sense of being useful, as he credits practicing Taekwondo for his powerful kicks obviously. And, to clarify it wasn’t that he said they were trash, more that he was sorry he invested so much time in them early on, as BJJ and MMA hadn’t reached the popularity and accessibility back then that they enjoy today
Rogan talked some sense into that guy
louis has competeted in mma and boxing more than joe at this point
Not Professional boxing, talk is cheap boy!
@@andrewtregoningthat doesn’t meant squat though . I know a few people who are some savages but have no need or desire to compete. They simply do it for the love of the sport & self defense . You can have 1000 competitions and still lose to a guy who never competed.
@@suryashissubba4032 boxing is great but it’s just a reality kickboxing, wrestling and bjj win 99/100 times. Punching power is something you’re born with idgaf what anyone says professional or not some boxers just can’t hit hard enough to be able to keep someone off of them so as soon as it isn’t strict boxing rules they’re essentially fucked. Much of what boxers are taught defensively completely goes out the window when the other guy can kick, knee or take you down. Boxing is extremely limited
Ryan Garcia for example thinking he has any chance whatsoever against Sean omalley in mma is pure delusion he would have literally 0 chance and would get stopped within a round
@@marrami2059no you can’t and That’s never happened lmao competing and practicing with people who compete are what takes you to the next level, no one that you know that doesn’t compete would beat a pro mma fighter 😂😂😂😂
“100% of fights start on the ground”~ Some random homeless dude I met
Bill "SuperFoot" Wallace said exactly this 💯 🔥🔥
Don Wilson said, “100% of fights start standing up.”
@@williamsmith8790if the guy just lays on the ground I won. And it'll embarrass the hell out of him in front of everyone when you point it out.
@@saferabiesI’d sit on the ground and laugh if you tried to “embarrass” me and reply “you’re standing and scared to come at me, who’s the one who is really embarrassing”.
😂😂😂😂😂
I DO like that Joe gives some guests pushback when they're being arrogant assholes.
The guest was right
@@dragonballjiujitsuok bjj nerd
Here Joe was being the arrogant asshole
@@dragonballjiujitsusure buddy
@@dragonballjiujitsu okay Karen
As someone who has trained BJJ; I feel as a lot of people forget that BJJ is not fighting. If there are not strikes being thrown…you’re in a submission match, not a fight.
FINALLY ANOTHER PERSON GETS IT. People also shit talk Krav Maga saying it’s a bad martial art. BECAUSE ITS NOT. It teaches you to hit people in the balls and hit the bridge of the nose with your phone. You can’t compare the two because they aren’t the same thing. I also do bjj and would much rather be kicking somebody in the balls and running than getting myself on the ground for other people to use a weapon and hurt me
However in a real situation about 95% of fights end on the ground so either submission wrestling or bjj will work, of course like the video says it helps to know how to box. I did MMA which is closest thing to a real fight.
@@Italian_gooberof course genius, but what happens if you fall on the ground ?
@@Italian_gooberso by that logic other people can jump in the fight with knifes while you’re trying to hit him with the edge of your phone right?
@@Italian_gooberthe reason Krav Maga is bad is because you can't do sparring with it, there's also nothing stopping a boxer or kickboxer with much better tuned reflexes from kicking in the groin or eye gouging when they also have a lot more fighting experience, same for jiu jitsu and wrestling, both can just get on top of you and turn you into a vegetable
No matter how good your BJJ is, you'd still have to:
1. Get close to your opponent without getting knocked out
2. Take him to the ground without getting knocked out
3. Get into an advantageous position without getting knocked out
4. Realize your opponent can STILL knock you the fuck out somewhere around steps 1 to 5
Eh you’re right in the first half but when on the ground you don’t have to worry about getting knocked out. When on the ground bjj has full advantage but getting the fight to the ground is the real challenge
It’s very simple honestly.
You come in and as soon as he throws a punch you go for double leg takedown, mount and ground and pound, it’s pretty much wraps after that.
Done it a couple times to ppl who don’t know how to wrestle.
@@Marrow040so in a street fight you dropping straight to the ground ? 😭
@@Migoladon Well no, in a street fight you run like hell
@@Titan-so1kh
I know it is possible to pull it out but your opponent could bend his knees to get lower and very beautifully give you an uppercut or an hook or simply step back. You moving right in into his punch.
Better you should try to got behind him or on the side where his front leg is.
It feels silly to choke someone out while 3 people kick you in the head.
No single martial arts is gonna help you 1v4. Martial art is not for self defence, it's for confidence and health. Every 1v1 or 1v2 scenario van be talked out without violence and 1v3 or more you should just give your money or run
@@maxk880 true, but it's rather be able to punch hard and accurately than wrestle
@@tonywackett326ima be honest with you, yes if you’re in a street setting and dude has his friends, deascilate. But if you’re at work or one on one with somebody road raging or just any scenario when you know it’s the two of you only, grappling is gonna FUCK THAT DUDE UP. Like trust me bro, I’ve seen too many videos where boxers get too confident and next thing you know they’re getting rear naked choked by a JiuJitsu Blue Belt (Not even a Purple, Brown or Black belt).
Exactly, to each their own, but BJJ guys talk the most shit and never factor in this. It works best 1 vs.1. With rules and a soft surface
@mattball7074 factor in what, that multiple people will be involved. Think about that logically, if there are multiple people why would you try to take on to the ground and choke him out? That's not the only aspect of bjj, so you and the OP are a bit mistaken.
This guy has 150% never been cracked in the nose by a set of toughened knuckles.
He’s actually had a couple amateur mma fights. At least 2 I’m pretty sure
Plus he's talking about closing the distance...
But
With a boxer?
Not happening, they are the best at distance management
@@aarkproductions if you’re talking about the crème of the crop boxers yeah but in reality the average boxer isnt that good RELATIVE to the top boxers you see on tv.
I’m not trying to be a tough guy but I actually train mma. About 2 years striking on/off and 3 years bjj. When I spar with boxers who have been boxing for 7 years plus it’s not hard to take them down. And that’s just me with 3 years of grappling against grown men who have close to a decade of striking experience. If it was canelo yeah I’m not getting close but the average boxer is more than likely not that elite. That’s why you see keyboard warriors critique trained fighters in street fights. It takes a lifetime to become as good as the boxers you see on tv
@@jayslice4371seems you are wrong. It's like saying average BJJ couldn't wrestle cos he is not top one. BJJ goes about grappling, muai Thai goes a lot about conditioning, Taekwando and karate - kicks. So is the movement and footwork in boxing. It's the essential, if are not good on foot, you are not an average boxer, that's it. If you are average, you will outplay average bjj when it goes about keeping the right distance and position in stance
@@jayslice4371
No I get what you mean, especially when you have a lot of pro boxers that surround themselves with journey men and like can have zero losses.
Cause they could kinda be up against regular guys
And it's an interesting topic 🤔
And there record is never REALLY put to the test
In a way that's prob why some people say going pro is relatively "easy"
I'm just a hobbyist and I could sense my hands were faster, when trading blows with an MMA guy
So when it came to perrying and slipping his shots, it was kinda easy
But he was a tough dude, very short, and we were kinda just kickboxing sparring so no grappling
One time he played a trick on me, gesturing his hand for me to shake it
And this little dude had me on the mat in seconds
For me I've never viewed myself as a "tough guy"
And
I've always said this: "I train because I DON'T think I'm a tough guy"
Ya know?
If you can't box, you can't fight.
Not true, let's not take it the other way 😂 If you lack 1 aspect of fighting, then you lack that aspect. If you're an olympic level wrestler, ofc you can fight without boxing, don't be dense
@@dethdaemon I didn't come up with it, it's an old saying, and it is true. Don't be silly.
So why James Toney can't beat Randy Couture? Uh uh don't mention Tim Sylvia he's the most overrated and most douchebag UFC champ of all time, @@dethdaemon
@@Anti-McDojo maybe bc Randy Couture can box?
FIGHT at top level? Or fight 99 percent of the people in the street. Becouse I'm pretty sure Alexander Karelin would be able to "fight" 99.9999 percent of all people with wrestling. He had about 500 straight wins 🏆 and Competed at 140 kg bodyweight.
But back to the track: When can a person fight according to you? Becouse I'm also pretty sure that a Taekwondo champion also can beat 99.99999 percent of the people on earth with just kicks...
When is a man a a fighter (Kickboxer asking)
That first sentence translates to me as: I got worked until I get frustrated when I box 😂😂😂
Fights almost never occur with a soft mat, and almost always on your feet
Exactly in the street boxing is way better because your main goal should be stay on your feet and find an opertunity to run
@@tintenkiller0421lol as someone who’s been in multiple street fights while boxing is good the moment you get on the ground with me it doesn’t matter fight is over. I will snap both your arms and kamora your legs lol
@@tintenkiller0421 you have the opportunity to run before the fight starts, it all changes when someone grabs you
Usually over in flash.
So???
I’ve seen boxers knock 3\4 people out without breaking a sweat within seconds. Never seen a bjj guy take on 4 people and win.
Thats the point! In a street fight you often face multiple opponents, jiu jitsu doesnt do shit then..
Also works a little better than grappling if someone has a knife and doesnt advertise it.
Boxers can't take on 4 determined guys either so chill. Learn to run at an athletics club and you'll survive most drunken groups by out running them.
@@neilrogers6767 great advice, just run and let your girlfriend do the work for you?
@@neilrogers6767running is situational, you won't run if you have a duty to be where you are, have kids with you, etc..
Jiu jitsu guys feel like supermen until they're walking with bambi legs
That's why I train muay Thai too
"Everyone has a face until they get punched in the plan" - mike tyson
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If you have a good 1 2, and can sprawl, you’ll fuck up 90% of the planet
If you know how to block and can wrestle well, you'll fuck up like 95%
And if you have a gun I'm thinking 98%
@@colecampbell1906over simplistic specially if you're a rather small guy, grappling or boxing will give you a good chance to survive a fight, but if you're under 5'9" and under 160lbs you're not beating 90+% of the population unless you're available l above solid/average.
@@RainbowBandanaif you have a tank you’ll be the guy with a gun
If you have a atom bomb you’ll disintegrate you opponent and his country
@@robertopicsI bet you’re 260
Everyone has a plan until I fall on my back like a crab and wait for you to engage.
football kicks
I will literally call you a nerd and walk away.
Have You ever seen what a 1lbs+ rock/Brock/piece of concrete can do to a human face? Because i've seen it and that's why bjj is F useless in the streets
That's going to be incredibly useful when somebody is attacking your wife or kids.
everybody that has commented whoosh
Lmfao. "Just take you down".. "Just choke you out".... This is not a person with experience in the fight game... Just let em talk.
Joe respects all forms of martial arts training. He’s dope
Bjj guys, always so sure that they will just grab someone and get them to the ground…
Boxers are delusional about their street fighting capabilities
@@iam-retarded-butStanding is infinitely better. First of all, do the BJJ people not realise they'd likely be fighting on a hard ground? Try rolling around and jumping on that... As a boxer you can land a shot and probably end the scuffle. Most people aren't used to getting a 100% shot on the face with no gloves. It hurts badly. In the time it takes them to sort of recover, the boxer can be long gone. Boxing is vastly superior to any kind of wrestling
@silverjaguar6744 lol okay so somehow every boxer has 1 punch ko power now? Most fights will go to the ground, it doesn't matter how hard the ground is even if you're rolling on glass, all it yakes for a bjj practitioner to put you out is to get on your back for a second, standup is absolutely not better, grappling is infinitely better against untrained people is most situations
Yeah because it takes someone with serious skills to prevent them from getting the take down. Stand up fights only happen when both parties agree to it, otherwise fights basically always end up on the ground.
@@iam-retarded-butdefinitely not, watch some videos of boxers fighting on the streets, guys fighting 1v4 and still KO'ing grown men with one punch
I’m glad Rogan shot down that idea quickly, because boxing is a lot more useful on a daily basis than bjj is
No it's not lol. I prefer boxing to BJJ but most street fights end up on the ground.
Every fights starts standing what's your point.
@@guusgeluk3693in a competition, both competitors are standing at the beginning. It's about who wins at the END, and most street fights END ON THE GROUND.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 u must be an idealist, cause in the streets anything can happen, if u on the ground choking him out and homie pulls a knife, a gun, or one of his homies tries to sneak u, ur done, if ur on yp feet piecing him up u at least have a chance
@@person4585 No you don't lmao. If da hommie come up cappin dat blap blap wit da nukes and M2, you gotta go slat slat blamm ting tang.
The top 10 fastest wins in UFC history have never been submissions. Just saying.
“I CAN’T LET YOU GET CLOSE!!!”-Chael Sonnen Undefeated Undisputed The man with the biggest arms the greatest charm and does all the harm
If someone's got a knife, or a friend, I'd much rather know boxing than try to grab or take down anyone.
How are your fists going to beat a knife?
They're not, they're going to hopefully help keep them at around length and be on my feet till I can run. I'd rather have a stiff jab and good footwork in that situation than a solid takedown. But both are nice. One will just get you stabbed or your head stomped in.
@@philh2932why dafaq do you assume I'm gonna punch the knife?
@@philh2932how is lying on the floor gonna stop a knife
@@anotherinternetperson8495 people have so many weird views on Jiu Jitsu. Playing guard is a style of Jiu Jitsu Helio Gracie created because he was frail and couldn't do anything else.
The first technique used by Royce Gracie in the UFC was a double leg takedown. Go train 🤦
1st rule of a street fight: stay on your feet
1st rule in a Street Fight,
😄 THERE ARE NO RULES!!
punch and run kids… just punch and run
How are you gonna stay on your feet if you don’t know how to defend takedowns 👀
@JosephBiesty if they take you down u pull out a knife and win
@@mvas1l I wanted to say it, I didnt… Im glad you said it
A BJJ guy threatening to take someone down 😂
“Hop into my guard, bro. I’ll fk you up”
yall all think that bjj is only off your back there are so many things you can do you can do stand-up subs/takedowns you can wrestler up bc 99 percent of the time when you out box someone up they are gonna grab you and you could do ground and pound and still be mobile
Joe's 100% correct. You gotta have a standing game AND a ground game against anyone who knows what they're doing.
Boxers are always dangerous, one punch delivered in a fraction of a second can KO you.
A boxer without jiu-jitsu will do better than a jiu-jitsu guy without boxing
facts better footwork, that could help you withdraw from a fight.
Doing both could help,
Boxing+Judo is a good combination too
100% agree
I’m so disappointed that most Bjj schools now (9 out of 10) don’t have wrestling as a requirement in their curriculum.
You can watch these backyard mma fights where Bjj black belts get lit up by a kickboxer with minimal wrestling. 😢
On the street yes
That is my point
That definitely felt like the talk of a man who hasnt been in a real fight and hasn't been punched in the face.
BJJ guy: I'll just lie down and wait for you down here.
“Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own.” - Bruce Lee
Discard BJJ
@@tattooninja Claiming that all of BJJ is useless is a good recipe to get your ass whooped by a fully rounded martial artist.
@@fireandiron4181 BJJ cultists always back up their empty martial art with threats and big talk, those are the main moves of BJJ.
Nobody who does BJJ ever "whoops" anyone outside their fantasy and the mat.
"My legs! I cant feel my legs!!"
-Bruce Lee, a short time later.
Didn't work for him in a street fight did it? All it took was a cuppa tea :-/
Grappling has proven to be extremely effective, but God damn is BJJ culty.
Like karate and Kung fu was lol its getting creepy 😂😂😂
karate and kung fu are still culty lol just not as popular as they used to be @@l3loodforpride426
@l3loodforpride426 there is weird people in any kind of discipline but most people in all martial arts are just there for a workout or some recreational activity
yeah it's this generations Karate. I'm a purple belt, so I'm not against BJJ, but most training lacks any real context and has become too much of a sport. Self defense BJJ is almost as bad as the sport stuff. I've been fortunate enough to find a good Judo place and have switched over the past year or so. I think it's a much better use of my time, and far less ego.
@@cameronforbes2649except karate is a joke in the MMA world.
Nothing is going to be the best solo compared to mixing systems, but if you had to pick, BJJ is the clear winner. There's a reason it's the #1 most trained across MMA tournaments. Karate never was and never will be.
Guy is living in a vacuum where he starts all fights from the floor.
Sean Strickland Debunked this.
Joe just gave this guy a dose of reality.
Not really
A trained boxer doesn’t even have to hit you cleanly to hurt you. A cuffing shot will have the average BJJ practitioner not know what planet he’s on.
They better land their shot , because as soon as the grappler reaches striking distance, they can take down the boxer and smash them with strikes , strangle, or break their joints . It all depends
@@mikey4512”they can take” ok bro watch King of the streets fights to see grapplers losing coz their opponents were poking their eyes out 😂
@@angryktulhu good luck eye poking someone when your getting choked out 🤣. Like I said , you better do damage before the grappler gets you down and puts you in a dominant position.
@@mikey4512try it on a 6’5” 250lb guy who can throw any sort of shot
exactly@@angryktulhu
Imagine getting pieced up by a boxer on some Terrance crawford shit. you finally get in close for a double and he sprawls perfectly and just chuckles.
Meanwhile, the boxer thinks, "Every time I grapple, I'm like, dude, I could just throw an uppercut and knock you out.''
You make it seem like the BJJ guy doesn't have a set of hands or something ? throwing a punch is waaaaaaaaay more instinctual than choking someone out...BJJ guys usually have to train themselves to NOT throw hands out of instinct when they first start off with the combat sport.
@drugbustin that's ridiculous. I wrestled. Before I wrestled in high school, I was a state champion in Taekwondo. I never once had to train myself to not throw a strike. So, do you think that there are boxers that don't know how to sprawl?
@drugbustin do you think there are boxers that don't know how to sprawl? I can't stand idiots that think that their discipline is the be all end all....gtfoh
@@drugbustinso do you think there are boxers that don't know how to sprawl? I can't stand people that believe that their discipline is the be all end all....gtfoh
What people seem not to get is how hard jiujitsu is when your constantly being punched or kicked.
punches become less powerful though when ur on the ground of ur body weight is shifted. the boxing stance is not very good at protecting against weight shift
Mate, a striker who has no take down defense would be taken down ridiculously easy by a BJJ guy.
@@lujitsu1251
This is assuming you train bjj with strikes involved.
Most people sit on their @ss in a gi.
You can’t berimbolo on asphalt.
Mma and Muay Thai is the best for self defense, bjj is just backup.
@@carlbjorling6058
Assuming they train no gi then yes.
In gi people just do not wrestle.
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Getting good at double leg, single leg, high single leg, ankle pick, high ankle pick, low ankle pick.
That is not gi training.
@@C0d0ps mma. That stands for
Mixed . I would want a mix of
Many martial arts, ideally. I will rank them in order of precedent of what I think wins a fight one on one.
1- wrestling
2-Jiu Jitsu
3-judo
4- Mui tai
5-boxing
Boxing is super relevant in real life, I’m not trying to roll with 5 drunk dudes at a bar, I’m throwing some big over hands and running away before people start glassing each other!
BJJ athletes have the biggest chip on their shoulder it’s hilarious 😂
Don’t say bjj athlete they’re leg humpers
Calling them soy boy’s athletes are exaggerating
b jay -jutsu ! 😂
So much man-on-man
leg humping goin on for months , nay years even in training lol. 😂
I worked at bars in university for 4 years. There the bouncers explained the 3 second rule: 99% of fights like OP describes last 3 seconds or less.
It's not some prolonged altercation. It's vicious bash and dash. No one us rolling round on the ground.
Also good luck shrimping and bridging and berimboling in a crowded bar where you have tables and peoples legs and walls surrounding you. You can barely move around on the ground because of the obstacles.
BJJ guys certain they would kick ass in a bar are those skinny nerds you see in BJJ classes who never had anything close to a real fight ever. They do BJJ specifically to get to feel tough but *without fighting*
BJJ guys never take into account actually getting hit. They're used to being able to grab someone by the legs and not get punched in the back of the head, or take a knee to the face.
BJJ guys' sparring sessions are very constrained and doesn't account for taking crazy hits like that.
I mean, a single good punch can knock someone out instantly.
“Everyone Has a Plan Until They Get Punched in the Mouth.” Mike Tyson
Rule #1 in a street fight: Never end up on the ground.
Easier said than done if you're fighting a wrestler or grappler that knows how to protect themselves until they get their hands on you 🤷🏻♂️
@@JaredHettler I was referring to these BJJ guys and what I was trying to say is that you don't know who you're fighting. The dude you're fighting might have friends around, the second you end up on the ground trying to wrestle / grapple your opponent, his friends are gonna stomp your head
@@Zedd_01I never understood that logic. Who tf is fighting multiple people at once? It's not a movie but I get what you mean
@@JaredHettler Again, the guy you're fighting MIGHT have friends around, in which you might not notice. Also, there's no rules in a street fight and there's a high chance of the unexpected to happen
Facts
This guy is the one that will try to pull guard on concrete with his "super power".
And will also complain about a "d*ck move" when he's not able to counter your attack
boxing isnt really as effective for average people training it so idk why yall think your some elite high level boxers that can generate enough power to one shot ko people or have mayweathers speed and defense when your average ass is basically slightly better than some who isnt skilled but faster and stronger
just buy a gun to protect yourself or run if you cant run then boxing OR bjj should do the job in a 1v1
1v1+ scenarios unless you have a gun your fucked and dont even think your gonna one shot ko people when in reality your just gonna break your hand and get destroyed unless your punches are like francis ngannou or your very skilled under large amounts of pressure which even trained boxers are gonna struggle with and bjj in 1v1+ is useless so basically just run in those scenarios
I was in a streetfight as a teenager with a wrestler who decided to take it to the ground... and by "streetfight" I mean "in a parking lot." In July. I didn't take any damage from anything he did. I DID take some damage from the hot asphalt burning my shoulder. Meanwhile, he took a fair bit of damage to his face from what I was doing to him.
@@Archone666 You took some and definitely gave some back. Good for you.
@@user-xt4fm1wr2q even a basic punch landed the right way can knock someone out. Its way easier to forget how to hump your opponent the right way to make him caress you as the safety word
While grappling is suited for one-on-one combat, boxing can be more advantageous when facing several opponents.
There’s a lot more to it than ‘martial art A is useless against martial art B.’ There are so many variables.
Grapplers thinking they could beat strikers on the street is hilarious. Do both, both is good.
Grapplers do win . But boxing is harder to get good at then bjj so I suggest boxers if you’re doing it for self defense then start rolling 3 X a week it’s fun it’s not really any fear involved there are doctors and lawyers at every bjj gym if you crazy enough to spar multiple times a week then bjj a cake walk
@@Aristotle111😂🤦🏽♂️ what
@@Aristotle111 what are you even saying😑
@@Aristotle111huh?
@@danieldowney7692 are y’all illiterate or what ?? I’m saying guys like doctors and lawyers practice jiu jitstu so obviously it’s not that dangerous to practice you wouldn’t catch those type of guys at a boxing gym. It takes balls to spar so if you are boxing regularly why wouldn’t you be going to a Jiu jitstu class 3 times a week to make yourself even more dangerous ? Cause it shouldn’t be fear stopping you and jiu jitstu is very important in the streets .
People need to stop this notion that boxing is useless in "a real fight". Boxing requires INSANE conditioning, reflexes, power, precision, speed, and aggression. These men are in supreme condition, and are literally trained to strike with the most powerful, precise, and effective punches that one can possibly throw in combination. Fighting a boxer in a street fight is a good way to get knocked unconscious fast. All they need to do is slip your first punch and land a hook and its lights out. They won't even break a sweat.
Look up the footage of the Russian boxer knocking out 3 in a row at a club after being attacked
Boxing and wrestling are definitively the best skills you can have in a street fight bar none. Anyone that says anything else is just delusional.
Yes a very good boxer who have some years of training is a killer indeed.
But we all know the best are guys that can decently mix punchs, kicks, grappling, wrestling. Well MMA or sambo by exemple. Because they're not expert in one thing but can perfectly mix the whole thing.
In real life you d'nt have the space, your not facing like in sparring, there is sucker punch it can come from the back with few space and you can't throw punch decently.
i feel like you need both to win street fights
bjj may be gay, but pulling guard is actually really effective and there's nothing the boxer can do to prepare for that situation except practice bjj
however as soon as you teach the boxer basic bjj, the bjj guy who doesn't box is screwed because now the boxer can get in his guard and maybe even pass it while throwing punches and not getting arm bared in half a second. unlike ufc, there's no ref to stop the between rounds, and you aren't on canvas you are likely on pavement, so you are going to just keep getting punched until you are unconsious
so yea, i think martial arts should be treated as a sport, i don't get this obsession mma guys have with who would win in a street fight, but if someone is practicing them for self defense and street fights, I say do some muy thai just to learn to defend against elbows and kicks, wrestle to learn to sprawl and avoid takedowns, bjj just to learn how to fight in the guard, but most of all box so that when its all said and done and you know how to avoid all the gay shit like guard pulling and karate kicks/elbows (except wrestling, wrestling isn't gay all them suplexes and throws are cool), you are able to punch tf out of them while they try to rely on their "martial arts" to save them
@@publiusthefederalist6843 well i feel it's more a boxing, a jiujitsu or a muay thaï stuff to compare who is the best. MMA guys know you Can be fucked by all of that!
I don't do specificaly grappling or jiujitsu but i think you underestimate two facts : punching in thé floor IS harder than you think ang grappling IS unbelievably tough and physic. And Being choke is efficient.
"Putting on gloves just feels silly".. lays on the ground with his legs spread and invites his buddy to climb on top of him.
The biggest problem BJJ guys and wrestlers have is the inability to react well when you get punched really hard in the face. Or when you pull guard and next thing you know my elbow is smashing your face in. When you isolate grappling, it puts you in a very bad position because it gives you an unrealistic expectation that you can just grab someone without taking big damage while trying to
Exactly. They don’t get hit in bjj so once they get hit and see there own blood they crumble
Ah yes, boxing aka the sport where you hit with your elbows lmaooo
Exactly bro, bjj guys are to cocky. If we’re on concrete and you pull guard I can pick you up and slam you on concrete and like you said I can elbow you as well. If you come at me with your hands out trying to grab me then you’re literally leaving your face wide open to get hit. By the time you get within arms reach you’ll get hit 5-10 times in a few seconds. And even if you’re still conscious you’ll probably be out of it not knowing where you are. Also have fun rolling around on the ground when the guys friends come and football kick you in the head. Or the guy has a knife and you grab him and get stabbed. At least boxers can hit you and end it fast and get out of there.
@@Geozuksso you think a boxer can only punch in a street fight. They can bite your face off if they want it’s a street fight not a street boxing fight 😂
@@Adamjames175 I forgot people in other martial arts don't have, teeth my bad 😂
Will never forget the day a BJJ guy wanted to prove he could take our Muay Thai teacher down. Dude tried but couldn't get anywhere; even smashed his face (unintentionally) into Ajarn's knee trying a double leg.
Funny thing was Ajarn Kham NEVER hit anyone in the years I trained with him, to include all the people that came to challenge him. His defense was impeccable and he didn't believe in hurting anyone, be they students or challengers. People basically hurt themselves trying to get a strike on him (while he laughed and joked ) because his shins and forearms were as hard as telephone poles, and he was literally built like a tank for most of his life; even well into his 60s. I can only imagine what would have happened to people, particularly the grapplers, if he decided to go on the offensive.
Much love to Ajarn Kham.
No shit bjj guys suck at takedowns. If it was a college wrestler your coach would be down on the ground
ask rodtang what happened
@@SN0WG00NS😂
BJJ guys don't know just how slow they are on the feet. Some random drunk dude definitely doesn't know how to keep his hips away, so using that as an example of getting a takedown in a fight is pretty stupid. Everyone from the BJJ class at my gym had such slow footwork that I almost guarantee you had to WANT to grapple to get taken down by them
@@SN0WG00NSyeah coz rodtang fought his mma round against an absolute nobody, right? Oh maybe not, he fought one of the Best mma Fighters ever who is also a good grappler
Im a bjj brown belt and even i wouldn't be stupid enough to underestimate a good striker.
facts.
Your humble I respect bbj never did it myself yet not sure if 31 too old to join tbh
@@keithhall8045im 15 my dad is 38 we both been doing it for about 2 months ur not too old to join
Just described one of the greatest boxers of his generation as "knowing how to box" 😂😂
Hands are still the fastest limbs on the human body to make damage.✌️🙏
Joe always keeps it real.
Here though. The guy says "I could easily take down boxers", and Joe responds with "but what about Crawford, who can box AND wrestle!?"
No shit, if they wrestle, they can't be taken down.
Like when he said Rousey could beat Mayweather and many lower weight make MMA fighters?
He does, but he's kind of annoying sometimes. Thinks he knows everything and has a condescending ass tone.
No he fucking doesn't
Joe goes off the deep end with conspiracy theories on a regular basis.
If youre grappling on the street, what stops the other guy from pulling a knife and planting it into you? Boxing gives you the distance to potentially run away, which is the best self defense tactic ever
just carry a gun, then you can beat brock lesnar in a fight
Do you know how hard it would be to reach into your pocket and grab a weapon while getting choked, strangled or armbarred?
Even if you did somehow manage the feat, you would struggle to plunge the weapon with the same velocity that you would whilst standing - so it would be a lot easier to grab that wrist tha it would if you were standing
Disarm the guy first. Knives can be thrown.
@@LS-fd6tllol what if the guy is standing 6 feet away from you?
@@fdevaa what do mean mate? Like in a 1 on 1?
Rogan is such a poster boy for bjj but I appreciate his balanced view of striking and he’s not wrong, a good wrestling base and fast hands is a lethal combo
Boxing and wrestling are by far the two most important IMO
Some people don't understand how fast a boxer can fuck you up before you even come close to grab him.
People don't understand a shitty grappler can put you to sleep in 6 seconds
if your close enough to hit your close enough to grab
@@what9plus10_not if I have a longer reach than you
Some people don't understand that most dudes who practice BJJ can't wrestle. You gotta take the fight to the ground for any BJJ training to be worth a damn.
@@DAVAND23That’s like saying most wrestlers can’t do judo. It always comes back to how that individual trains. Not everyone is training for “the streets”. Plus, the entire premise of jiu jitsu is for when or if you end up on the ground. It’s not like you can only grapple if that’s the sport you train in. Hit the mf!
"Everyone has a plan, until it punches you in the face"
~Mike Tyson
Lol
THEN when you're staggered from the face punch... it's time to lock down on them ears(like a buffet👀),homie🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯💪🏾🧔🏾♂️
Wow, so profound. Never heard this quote repeated like 1000000 times
@@jackiechun5817 ROFL. NOM NOM NOM!
A woman who quotes boxers... awesome!
Most bjj guys have never been punched in the face. They would be shook meeting an intermediate boxer
*Say that to Mike Tyson in his face.*
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Mike then bit the guy. Everyone forgets that part. He went there to try to avoid getting his head caved in by Holyfield.
@@_Pauper_bro he was head butting and punching him in the balls in a boxing match I’d bite the guy too.😂
Modern BJJ is a butt scootin clown show! 😂
Doesn't your academy teach Judo?
@@J_L_Ahe doesnt train at all lolol
@@J_L_A I did BJJ against someone who won European Championship silver, and this dude was insanely good in the ground. He was like a little monkey, super dexterious. I was very impressed. Judo is definitely a very impressive skill to have in a street fight - grab the jacket, slam you into the concrete - see you in the hospital brother.
And they had a competition in Japan - to see which martial art becomes the official martial art of the Japanese police: Jiujitsu (Japanese Jiujitsu) or Judo. Judo won - pretty dominantly I think. But they had certain kinds of criteria for the competition, and the criteria were related to police work.
But yeah - I think both are good in street fight - Japanese Jiujitsu, and Judo. But I don't think Brazilian Jiujitsu is good in street fight.
@pupper5580 thing is bjj is great for a 1v1 self defence situation it works quite effectively at neutralising an opponent.
@@HtheKing BJJ is bad if the opponent has a knife. You don't want to be close in distance against someone who might have a knife. Also, BJJ doesn't allow you to run away, because you're on the ground hugging your opponent.
Striking sports fix both these issues: you have distance to your opponent, and you have maximum opportunities to run away.
Conclusion: BJJ is trash for self-defense.
I bet when he street fights, he lays on his back and pulls guard. And the other guy is just standing there like wtf lol.
Then he says "put it in me"
😂😂😂
I bet he doesn’t and would probably put you to sleep in a “street fight”. You literally don’t train if that’s what you think people with half a brain would do. There’s a lot of videos of BJJ guys fighting and yet outside of the UFC I don’t see any of them pulling guard. It’s almost as if they don’t do that in the real world situations 🤔
I just imagine a bjj pulling guard and then some drunk guy whos on neithers side just coming and soccer kicking him to hospital
@@Urmomma5f4tBJJ "self defence videos" are 99% BS though. They are just BJJ guys actually acting like assholes.
It's usually a verbal argument, not physical, between BJJ guy and someone clearly drunk or mentally ill, then the BJJ guy slaps on a chokehold without physical provocation.
Anything will work of you do it do someone who isn't even attacking you and you hurt them first. Christ Aukido would probably work vs someone not doing anything. It's just a dick move by insecure BJJ asshats who want to try what they learned on a vulnerable person so they can see if the $250 a month they pay is worth anything.
It's reeks of insecurity and bully boy tactics, and it's not reflective of actual fighting.
Why are adults street fighting? 😅 there is no good reason to street fight once over the age of 18
i like that joe puts guests in their place. some random purple belt aint beatin a world level boxer
Sometimes when I'm doing BJJ and I'm shrimping around on the ground I'm like "Wtf am I doing? Is this even fighting? 😅"
It’s situationally dependent. Just like anything else.
Absolutely. That's what people don't seem to understand.
A wrestler beats a boxer 8/10 times in a ring or on a mat. But does that make wrestling a better form of self defense. Not necessarily. In reality you want to be able to both wrestle and box.
Go outside & practise shooting takedowns on concrete.
@@BWater-yq3jx What would that have to do with boxing?
@@jumbothompsonimagine a wrestler taking you down on slamming you on concrete! 😮
@@LS-fd6tl
I can imagine . It would suck.
I'm glad Joe shuts BJJ nerds up.
joe is a bjj black belt and bjj guys would frick a boxer in a fight 9 times out of 10
Yeah. Joe is a no nonsense guy. He is truly a mixed martial artist. He has learned many disciplines and absorbed the good out of all of them.
Joe got the whole obsession with BJJ started talking about it everyday
@@MarkWongMDbut he's not delusional about it, even though bjj is very effective on the ground, he knows that a BJJ guy will get his ass handed to him by a striker.
BJJ is useless on it's own. Boxing isn't.
He's a big bjj dickrider himself.
The guy forgot that people will bite, grab your nuts, try to jab your eyes, hit your throat irl. You certainly don't want to get close to them.
I like it when guys like that think stuff like that. It just makes everything go so much smoother.
100% of fights include hands thrown, know your boxing
Not true. Plenty of fights are just shoving matches.
Wrong. I saw a guy put his hands up and get kicked in the gut and immediately went down. No hands were thrown. I've also seen people get choked out without ever throwing a ounch
Gets smacked in the face: "no, not like that, throw a punch like this"
Doing both is 100% necessary if you wanna be dangerous
Until you go for a double leg and the world renowned striker puts his knee in your face and smashes it till your face is like a frying pan😂
This is the first time I've seen Joe Rogan make sense in regards to bjj vs striking.
who tf are you to say whether joe is right or wrong. he's a lifelong martial artist, done taekwondo and bjj, striking and grappling. commentates ufc too. he definitely knows what he's talking about.
@@user-do9ok7gq2i OK first of all relax. And I didn't say he was right or wrong. I said he made sense and it's the first time for me to see that. I will elaborate, so that you understand my point and calm down. Very often he comes across as a BJJ nutswinger, talking about it like it's some kind of bullet proof superpower, a trait only BJJ players seem to have. It's not a superpower and in this video he comes across way more balanced. And you don't know my background, therefore you are in no position to question whether I know what I'm talking about or not.
@@tonypaellaI was about to defend you but nevermind, del us ion al
@@sp1r1tcrsh3r I don't need to be defended. It's a comments section under a TH-cam video, not the front lines dude. It's differing opinions, that's all.
Yeah. That's why he said Rhonda Rousey can beat male fighters. Ya know, right before she got her ass HANDED to her by Holly Holm, a female fighter who can't fight men.
Not to mention what happened afterwards, with Amanda Nunes. That's was just a massacre.
Joe also said that boxers are harmless compared to MMA guys, but he was so mortally terrified of Mike Tyson that he built a bigger table, so that Mike can't get to him before he escapes.
I was like, why are you scared? You can just kick him in the leg and he'd be done.
Joe doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time.
Most people that do bjj are lifetime hobbyists like myself. Yes Gordan Ryan will snap most humans in half but when it comes to the 99% of the every day man - a smack in the nose is going to really mess up the idea of bjj super power where they train with no concept of getting hit. It’s a great tool to have and know and it is a super power but violence is violent and random which really messes up your idea of what works
Real talk, Even a bjj black belt could absolutely get clapped by 2 average guys in a street fight. Can’t say that about strickers
@@thatpersiandude7386100% bro agreed
I agree with this
@@thatpersiandude7386 if you genuinely think that. You have never trained bjj.
@@akaInfamoushave You ever seen what a glass bottle or a brick does to a human face? The moment You grab My buddy to choke him i'll break your skull and that's it
The streets ain't a bjj gym where You behave like grandmas that smoke pot all day
Rare moment of joe being objective about bjj
No matter what you think you need both they are both extremely useful and learning one without the other leaves you vulnerable
If you can box and have takedown defense. You will destroy a grappler in a fight🤷🏾♂️
a pure ground grappler, yeah, a wrestler is a lot more of a threat
You say “Have takedown defense” as if that’s such a easy thing to have. It will take you YEARS of training just to have the ability to not instantly go airborne within a second of stepping in arms reach of a Judo black belt.
@@fireandiron4181 "stepping in arms reach of a Judo black belt." A Kick boxer's main tool in tool in his arsenal is his reach. I've done judo myself and let me tell you judos aren't explosive what they are, are opportunity takers. If you even slip up for a moment it's wraps, but at the same time they lack what's essential and that's explosive power something wrestlers have. That is why imo you should focus on 1 primary martial art, while learning the basis of the others.
@@External_XS Judokas are like that against other Judokas who know the game. Go watch some videos of Judokas in street fights and watch people get dropped on their skulls within 5 seconds of the altercation happening.
Matter of fact, spar with a black belt Judoka and tell him to not go easy on you.
"Go watch some videos of Judokas in street fights and watch people get dropped on their skulls within 5 seconds of the altercation happening. " Because those are people who aren't well versed in the art? I took judo for a year, and have spoke to black belts and have deduced that judo is mostly for closed environments or areas you know you can close the gap in. Judo is also more close ranged, as a striker I would never rush in. You would gauge the distance something that judoka isn't made for. Also why would I spar with a judoka this is a street fight scenario? If I'm sparring with one, I would be on their playing field. And it also depends on where we're fighting, If we're in a closed scenario the odds don't favor me as much. But if I'm in the open street, I'm very confident I can pull off the win.@@fireandiron4181
If you're a nerd who took up BJJ because you heard it was a 'superpower', and have never fought on hard ground against a good striker who really wants to hurt you...
well I'm gonna suggest that won't go like you hoped.
Joe talking endlessly about "130 lb nerds in bjj being killers". I bet he made a lot of nerds get into bjj. And I bet he made a lot of nerds get stomped in a street fight because of it.
@@pupper5580I would stomp both of you lmao all u keyboard warriors who never even boxed or did any sport think u have a say in this💀
Yea probably, but thats their lives.
I was taught from young that BJJ is a trap. Generally a fight is not going to be fair and the LAST THING ON EARTH you want to do.. is go to the ground.
@@pupper5580
Every fight I've been in has started on my feet, and been quickly ended with some quick joint manipulation and then a slam. Just looked at tidbits of different martial arts, with Wing Chun mostly in mind for stand up fighting. I've really only used wing chun to get in position to break a finger, wrist, or elbow, not to strike all that much. Boxing seems incredibly mundane as an art itself, it's like a woman getting the barcode bangs haircut; even if she can pull it off, there's something else that would work much better for her.
It depends on the individual, there’s nerds in boxing that could whop some ass.
Just cause you can’t box doesn’t mean it’s useless
Don't give the BJJ nerds more of an ego than they already have. They're already the biggest shit-talkers in martial arts.
Seriously, their egos are out of this fuckin world, grapplers in general are like this
Getting a quick 3 peace ,one to the nose eye and chin without gloves will make you reconsider trying to grab,it's amazing how many dudes back down once you hit them with a quick accurate jab without gloves in a fight ,it makes them realise the difference in speed and power.
Exactly a nice sharp cross can really change someone’s tune when it slips their mount open
If you have the training advantage, you can do anything you want and still win lol
@@totenfurwotan4478 facts ,the thing people that never ,sparred in boxing or any other form of striking and only did like bjj judo or wrestling think they are fast enough or have the skills to to slip punches and get to you, or think they can take the power from someone that knows the mechanics of throwing shots.
Youve never been in a fight. Shut up.
@@fofao681you do both wrestling and boxing i never wanna fight you. Not only can you beat my ass standing you can break my neck with a slam after.
Try doing your jiu-jitsu in rough terrain of streets 😂
“His kids can wrestle.”
I know an 80 year old that spared with Ali. He can still F... people up. He trains and instructs every day. He took on 3 teen bullies and when the cops looked this white-haired old man and these 3 17-18 year old teens on the ground holding their faces they started laughing their **ses off. Bjj has its place, but not 3 v 1
Everyone has a plan till they get popped in the mouth.
Could say the same thing about tasting pavement
Say that to a wrestler lol
Every boxer has a plan until they get taken down.
@@micaylapresleyevery bjj guy has a plan till he eats an elbow to the head against concrete.......
Another BJJ guy who's never been knee'd in the face.
Got my orange belt in Judo when I was 10, came second in a regional tournament, but never really felt confident fighting until I learned some basic boxing. There is no superpower martial art, you just gotta train hard and stay well rounded.
Lowkey would like to see Terrence Crawford do an MMA match
Too old for high level, but imagen if he started mma in his early 20s as talented as he is and than base of wrestling and boxing.
Maybe. Mighty Mouse said he'd fight him.
Love Joes response put him in his place lol.
Gonna say this once and that’s it, if a Boxer lands a clean punch on you before you can kick or grapple him it’s over. One punch can change an entire fight
Exactly!!! When Joe mentioned Terrance Crawford dude changed his tone
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face
Going to ground is the LAST thing you should do in a street fight.
facts.
Well that's not what bjj is. You just pick them up and slam them. That's it.
What kind of bjj school do u go too? 🤣
@scd881 the one that taught me that in street fights, there are no soft mats, no rules & that if you end up on the ground you can't retreat & it is almost certain that you will be kicked in the head (or chocked out by some BJJ nut case). You must ALWAYS stay on your feet.
Yup , so sumo it is ...
What ? Boxers don't train against ground and pound ...
Sumo guys lose if they go there , so they train to stand up ...
And you're not pretending to stand up against one of them are you ?
The question is, how many punches from a boxer would it take to make you quit attempting a takedown?
Everyone is gangsta until they meet with Alex left Hook 🥊🤫