10 Most Forgiving Personal Airplanes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Unlike cars, airplanes behave as differently as they look, airplanes are not created equal, and this can be especially true for trainers. Your trainer can make or break you as a student pilot. If you get into one that is too complex, and not forgiving enough, you may be inclined to give up on flying altogether, because it will give you the impression that flying is too dangerous. However, a more forgiving easier to fly airplane can give you the confidence you need to achieve your aviation dreams. So, what are the easiest and most forgiving aircraft to fly? Please find out in this video.
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The panthera can recover on command from a stall spin at max gross weight. I don’t know another aircraft that can do that. Even 10 spins in a row!
I believe the Diamond DA50RG and/or the Diamond DA62 have great wing designs for that.
Also, the Kodiak 100 is another with stable wing designs.
Love the Panthera though.
It's like a flying sports car with that luxury cockpit.
However, I think I can only afford the all new Sling High Wing.
My fone has a mind of it's own 🤣
You are saying nothing. All spin recovery is the same regardless of aircraft. If you are not trained to do it, you will crash. GA training teaches how to avoid a spin which is a dangerous dynamic for ALL GA aircraft since they are not rated for acrobatic flight and the forces in a spit can pull the plane apart.
@@speedomars The Pipistrel Virus SW is strong enough for aerobatics.
I'm comparing it to the new Sling High Wing before I decide.
@@thisismagacountry1318 Do not guess. Go with the aircraft positive and negative g-force specs. Normal category (most GA aircraft) are +3.8Gs and -1.52Gs, Acrobatic category is +6Gs and -3Gs. Verify this spec before assuming to fly one acrobatically.
There’s a 172N at my school that has an upgraded 180 horsepower engine and it literally wont stall unless you have the power completely at idle and pitch up at 35 degrees, there’s enough torque at idle you will just be in a nice descent all the way up till 30 degrees AOT. Absolutely love it cause its the fastest trainer we have for one of the lowest cost per hour lol
172N is a great model year and would be great with the 180. I flew one and it had a climbing prop. It flew so nicely.
You earned a sub I love this channel!
So Cessna 150, 172, and 182.
I'm sensing a trend here.
:D
Excellent stuff bro
Pipers very very good, any trim
Bristel B23 is my favorite from this list; Good for training and also reasonable priced!!!
I like the Panthera bro! I'll take one black with yellow racing stripes. I'll learn to fly later.
I’ll go for the Cessna 182 Skylane
4:38 I think everyone likes the
Panthera, I do, but it needs more
sun coverage, more shade.
2:33 shows a bonanza instead of the pa28 lol
😂😂😂😂... My bad.... Nobody caught that... Except you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I just scrolled down here to comment that!!! Lol
Also, you're gonna have a reaaaaal hard time finding an airworthy 152 for less than 30k right now.
Something I like to consider for a personal airplane is the lowest stall speed in a landing, coupled with a high continuous top speed. The lower the landing stall is, the safer the airplane will be for off-airport landings. And he higher the top continuous speed is, the more useful the aircraft is for going places. So I would be looking at the ratio of top continuous speed to landing stall speed.
The plane currently having the best of those characteristics appears to be the Risen, a two-seater composite LSA certified in the EU (but not in the US). It has a landing stall speed of 35 knots, and a top speed around 180 knots. So the ratio would be 180/35 = 5.14. Most light aircraft are only going to have a ratio around 3.0. The Risen also has a Rotax engine that can use automotive fuel, an a ballistics parachute. The downside is that in todays inflationary economy, it is a $200,000 plane -- out of reach of most of us with moderate means. And being a two-seater. it isn't a family airplane -- more like owning a motorcycle that you ride solo, or occasionally with a friend.
I'm learning to fly on a cub, not easy at all, don't have a clue whats going on around me when flaring... hopefully I'll get there
You need help from your instructor regarding how to see the runway while landing. Ask your instructor about the advantage of looking along the side of the cowling to see more of the runway when you flair for a landing.
Nice vid👌🏻🇩🇿
C-152 is very forgiving, easy to fly, and confidence-building. As said, it is, however, more than sung for two full-sized adults. It was apparently designed for pilots weighing around 160 lbs. Know any adult males that small?
Cherokees are comfortable and have good performance. Very forgiving easy to fly. Safe and sure. The best trainer IMO.
Cubs are classic and lots of fun. They do require pilot skills when landing beyond Cherokees, however.
172 is much like a Cherokee as a trainer but is snugger in the cockpit. Its high wing is good for ground observation but gets in the way in a turn in the pattern.
DA-40 is a great airplane and my personal choice for a trainer along with the Cherokee.
I live in the high desert. Very windy and mountainous. For certified aircraft I chose the PA-28 235. I have landed in some pretty crazy wind, no issues. These planes are very easy to land.
Ever fly to/from Yucca Valley?
@@pika6240 No mostly KLAM. Been to KLXV, KCOS, KAEG, a couple more in Co, many southern NM and AZ.
@@omorin34 Nice. I've only been to one of those. The wind here in the high desert can certainly be crazy at times.
@@pika6240 Very true. I was flying once with a person with 40+ years experience. 20 in the Air Force. He landed his 210 at KAEG with winds gusting to 45 knots. He got an a resounding "YEAH! Nice Job!" from the tower. Crazy thing is we had a more difficult time taxing in that wind as the tail kept pushing the nose around. Once we got between the hangers, it wasn't an issue.
Diamond is beautiful but is way underpowered for the cost!! The ASTRO needs to be upgraded to higher horsepower!!
PA38 got me my wings. Evolution VL3 betters the Bristel, and is an accomplished piece of kit. Fixed gear or retractable. Highly customisable. Check the specs!
Once again the Socata TB20 gets overlooked by the GA community. Best plane bang for the buck on the market.
The TB20 is an old aircraft no longer made (for a LONG time). It has no bang for a buck unless you want to pour money into an antique plane.
3:39 What is your criteria for;
''high speeds and low altitude'' ?
Love the diamond, but good luck getting the parts
There is a LOT of afterthought on the design, but DAMN it's SO much fun to fly.
Still love flying the 150
I felt like I could not fly out of my own way in the 150. Just not enough airplane for me.
I learned to fly in a 1946 Aeronca Chief with a 60h.p. engine [no starter], it spun easily was loud and very cold in the winter. There were more differences in the Piper 28 series than you stated, except for cruse speed the Piper 140 was inferior to the Warrior III regarding ease of use because of the wing on the latter. 300 horsepower engines were not in the Piper 28 series, it seems that you lumped all single engine Piper PA-24, 27, 28, 32 and 38. May be you consider a 300h.p. Cherokee 6 a trainer. Cessna, didn't like the 150/152, they were noisy, small and slow, the 172 was okay, however I preferred a Piper Warrior III. The Panthera is a completely different animal and is most likely not considered a training aircraft for new student pilots by most people and FBOs, they cost a fortune and good luck finding a factory made model. I gave up covering your video at this point, it is after 12:00 a.m. here.
Cant imagine how you can see out of the cockpit of the pipistra, its so sleek there is no cabin height. the BMW seating position in a plane.
I did my PPL on a C152
I'm confused why isn't the Sport Cruiser mentioned in these videos?
How the heck is there not an Ercoupe on this list? 😮
Call me when they ALL have a parachute system that allows for some glide rather than dropping like a rock
9:12 DA 42 ''The Safest..''
12:55 Cirrus SR22 ''in terms of safety,
in a class all it's own''.
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OK, nice list of planes available in the USA mostly. Panther should not be there in my opinion, however, there are interesting training planes outside of the USA but well known in the USA as well. For example, Polish-made PZL 104 Wilga as primary trainer plane, classic configuration, STOL commonly used to launch gliders or win international precision flying competitions. From Czechoslovakia and now Czech Republic Zlin 42/142/242 series. Perfect tricycles trainer with aerobatics capability. It is as forgiving as C-152 or Wilga. Now let go east: Russia and its Yak 18 (among the others) Easy to fly trainer with aerobatic capabilities and some extras. Also very forgiving and extremely easy to fly. All of these planes are available in the USA and Canada. In few flying colleges in Canada Zlin is being used as a basic trainer! That raises the question: Why none of these machines were included in your list? Pather, DA62, C182 are not typical trainers for new pilots yet Wilga, Zlin, or Yak 18 are!
There are many trainer aircraft worldwide available that could be included on this list, why don't you do the 10 best World Wide trainer aircraft not necessarily used as Trainers in the USA?
An airplanes don't necessarily need to be trainer need to be a trainer to be forgiving. There are forgiving airplanes in other categories too.. The Cirrus Vision jet is very forgiving and easy to fly even as a jet... This video is about most forgiving airplanes, not top 10 trainers... You understand better?
It might have to do with being an American managed Aviation Channel, and America having quite a few great home-grown aircraft manufacturers Michael.
I see no reason to fly any of the planes you mentioned over any of the planes he mentioned.
@@SainnQ This is the General Aviation channel, and it is covering many planes worldwide anyway. What I am asking for is to present other available choices available in the USA and Canada and also used in the USA and Canada for basic flight training anyway.
@@Dwaynesaviation I agree, there are many very forgiving aeroplanes, but the topic is related to trainer planes not just easy to fly planes. Diamond D-Jet is also easy to fly but is rated as High-Performance Jet and cannot be used for basic training. I can list 100's of planes that are very easy to fly but are not suitable for training for various reasons, mostly legal reasons anyway.
Title; The Ten Most Forgiving Personal Airplanes.
Gustave Whitehead....
Literally all my favourite make this list. I did all my PPL training in a C152, so its close to my heart. VERY forgiving of mistakes.
For anyone who's never flown a DA40... try it at LEAST once. One thing I will note about it is if you accidentally take off with flaps up instead of T/O, it'll still fly, just at a reduced angle of climb. Same with landing. You'll land a LOT flatter than with flaps LDG. Full flaps on an approach feels a bit like a controlled crash lol. Also a DA40 stall... you essentially fall like a piece of paper. There is no nose drop or wing drop.
Dwayne. I have asked you before. Do you fly? If so. Have you flown any of the planes on this list? You spoke of the Panthera as a good training airplane in a previous clip which many of us were baffled by. And in this clip you "retract" that statement. You also have a rather smug tone in this clip towards your audience. Whom many are pilots. Please tell us your experience in the cockpit. Thanks...
Experience: mostly Sling 2....
I'm not supposed to say these things, I wanted to keep my personal life away from TH-cam as much as possible ..
I have a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering, pursuing masters in aeronautics... I have experience in the Sling 2, I haven't flown a lot of airplanes, but when it comes to TH-cam, making these videos are not as easy as you feel, it's not all about expertise or experience, when you do it for the first time, chances the video will suck is a lot higher, it takes a lot of attention to detail to make videos correctly... I realized I should take down or remake my first videos because I made some obvious mistakes in them and there is nothing wrong with that, I don't need to fly every airplane to talk about them, I did my research and spoke to few owners of the panthera before drawing my conclusion on how forgiving the airplane is, saying it was a trainer was my bad, poor attention to detail..
I'm just a young person who loves aviation, trying to learn more on the journey, I'm open to creative criticism but not trolling...
@@Dwaynesaviation I am not trolling you or your channel. Making mistakes is a part of life and I also flew the Sling 2. A very fine trainer. It may be a good idea to let people know that you are doing your best with the experience you have. Then your audience may cut you some slack when you state things that are not accurate. The Panthera is a complex, fast plane that would not be forgiving to any pilot that was not prepared to fly her. And who was not rated for complex airplanes. Congrats on your success and may you have much more. I commend you for the work you do put into your content.
Thank you very much for understanding.... And on including the Panthera, I wanted to include a plane that is not a trainer, I compared most high performance airplanes side by side, the Mooney, the Piper m350, the bonanzas, and the Lancair's... now at the performance numbers: the Panthera handles well at maximum gross weight, you can fill up the tanks and still be able to fill up all the seats, there is a parachute for the worst case scenario, according to one owner: on command you can easily get out of spin at maximum gross weight.. I'm not sure there are many airplanes that can do all that...
Of course it'll not be forgiving to anyone that is not prepared for it...
I'm not sure there a plane that is forgiving to anyone without training, not even those in the FAR PART 103 ultralight category that you don't need a pilot certificate to fly, you still need enough training...
But even with enough training, some planes are more forgiving than others..
I want to buy such airplanes rang 30 to 50 thousand & pls say about
I'm No Expert But It's Not The Cost Of The Airplane But The Maintenance & Operating Costs That Matter. I Would Suggest The Piper Cherokee.
Prices may vary, significantly. Lol Plane prices have gone through the roof.
The Cirrus SR22 is absolutely not a forgiving airplane. TH-cam has quite a few videos documenting SR22 crashes, especially stalls in the landing pattern. The most forgiving plane I know of is the Navion, a very stable flyer with low stall speeds and very mild stalls. It is almost impossible to spin a Navion. The same can be said of Ercoupe, a much smaller plane that is easy to fly and very stable.
They are all easy if you know how.
who flew first werw not the Wright brothers, but Santos Dumont. The Wright brother were "catapulted". KKKK
This was interesting, but certainly not a list of "Most Forgiving Personal Airplanes".
Well well well... most forgiving? There are hundreds of airplanes more forgiving than the Cirrus or the DA42
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I'm pretty sure I can learn to fly... what bothers me is all the communications with the towers, especially as english is not my first language... it wont be tragic if I kill myself but missing some vial information could cause disaster to many... :(
I wonder what the exit plan is for all
the gull wing style door planes, when the
plane winds up in a ditch upside down,
or upside down leaking fuel for whatever
reason. They look cool, but
what kind of barbeque sauce would they be
thinking about for my carcass.
30 grand for a cub?
COM-POS-ITE
Another look at planes you will never be able to afford.
What is comp ih zit material?
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Parachute = not good pilot should stay on the ground or in the basement
The real problem is not "hard to fly airplanes", it's that agency we know as the FAA". It's political as hell and it's extremely easy to run afoul of those people. They're driving more people out of or away from flying than are attracted to it or actually get involved in it.
Odd way to pronounce "composite."
No aircraft (even a balloon or an ultra light) is not forgiving to fly. Without proper training and discipline you will quickly become a casualty if you do not take aviating anything you are in seriously.. Part of flying involved taking off and avoiding obstacles, landing under all kinds of wind conditions, navigating, not running out of fuel, relying on the engine to not quit or any other mechanical malfunction. ALL aircraft share these problems. No such thing as "forgiving"....
What they mean by "forgiving" is gentle stalling, versus sudden and abrupt stalling, and relatively gentle entry to, and stable, spin characteristics.
@@simonmouer7067 No stall is forgiving no matter how gradual or gently it happens. The biggest danger is spin, not stall. And if close to the ground as in a base to final turn, a stall spin will be fatal or nearly so. I argue with the notion that one plane stalling is somehow safer or easier to deal with than in another with more abrupt stalling characteristics.
@@speedomars -- As a CFI and Commercial license I stall many airplanes on purpose, and spin those that certified for spins. I'm talking light aircraft, not military aircraft or the big commercial heavies. You might be more correct on military and heavy aircraft, but most certified light aircraft can regularly be stalled, and in fact must stall close to the ground in order to land. In fact gentle stall characteristics is a major selling point (if not a requirement for their certification.) This wasn't always the case, but it pretty much covers most light aircraft. There a few light aircraft with rather abrupt stall characteristics, mostly in the experimental category, such as the much-touted Lancair that was a lot more "risky" to land. For a really competent pilot, it may be small thing to transition between a "gentle" aircraft and a "risky" one, but for the majority of not-so-competent pilots, it may be more a matter of survival.
@@speedomars -- You appear to be selling fear of stalls and spins. I recommend you get some stall and spin training to lose your fear of them. I also recommend a book you will probably like: The Light Airplane Pilot's Guide to Stall/Spin Awareness, by Rich Stowell.
@@simonmouer7067 You are joking right? Stall spin, especially on base to final are 50% of all aviation fatalities. Suggest you study the stats before making comments on a subject you apparently know little about....
On the list of the 10 easiest airplanes to fly, number 3 is a complex. Yeah, another video by yet another aviation charlatan just looking for ad revenues. Down vote and ignore channel.
"Forgiving Airplane" title is not exclusive to trainers...
Douche
@@Dwaynesaviation Well, no more nasty comments from festerpts, since he put you on ignore. 🤪🤪🤪🤪