Link to the Bug Report Page: community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Kg9VW8Vw8LvU Smin also did some community responses today confirming that this is indeed a bug and that it's "being investigated" forum.warthunder.com/t/cm-covert-disclosures-no-3-updates-from-smin/161025/121 I don't really wanna be a controversy video maker and I just happened to fall down this rabbit hole cuz I was curious what was causing the 0 RP situation... I probably won't do more videos like this unless I really feel the need to address something, just putting it out there.
Can you elaborate more about the poor matchmaker balancing? Cuz i encounter a lot that one team has 2-3 top tier in the lobby but other team has only 1 or even none. This happen alot around 9.3-10.3 Air rb.
@ravenkwan7600 I know it sucks for gameplay but that isn't really a bug so it's not really something I can do an in depth analysis on. I could make a video going over the poor balancing in general but I think a lot of people are aware of that
@@CatWerfer That would be great if we could have a video about that since I couldn't find any post or video which addressing or complaining that, seems no one care or aware the issue.
Once lost 70k rp to this. Had a 500% booster 2 bases destroyed and several player kills. Only had 2k left on my vehicle research and it said I had 0 extra
@@r1zmywargaming made this type of games. Sure WoT is Arcady and nothing close to this but war thunder was an answer to wot just more realistic.And it was one of the reasons I transitioned to WT. Sadly WoT died out, and now WT has 0 adversaries so they can do whatever they want, actually they don’t even need to do anything. First I wanted a plane game, second the realistic type ( ex historical mode ) was just my thing. It had realistic and hard learning, wasn’t Arcady but wasn’t a hardcore sim either. These days tough ? I don’t like high tier plane games. Even started to grind out ground forces so I could use my A-10 for which I payed real cash. Problem is high tier ground sounds to not be in a good state either. Guess we either wait for a better game, or wait for a game to challenge Gaijin and make them fix the current game. Kinda reminds me of the times CoD goes. For some time they got used to the the most sold and played AAA game that they just reskinned games.
Congrats, you solved a bug in a few hours of work that a giant company hasn't been able to fix in over a decade. They have known about this issue for much more than 3 years; I remember making reports about it back in the early days.
well... I'm not sure if this is the exact issue. Also it sounds like whether it shows up or not depends on the person and is inconsistent too so can't say for sure. This is just my theory...
@@megapet777as far as I heard there was a bug where players could get prem time for free. Gaijin fixed it and on top of that hunted players that abused it and billed them.
As someone who used to be in the WT CC Discord server no, there's a suggestion channel but the mods always told us that the forum and the bug report system is a better way to get things changed. However, I did notice on occasion some things discussed there that I didn't see discussed anywhere else In the community got added/changed, so it might be worth a shot.
I was a supporting member of the WTPC back in the day and that was a great way to give them community feedback. Sucks they axed it like all good things. The forum is a wasteland of garbage opinions, but they do read it... sometimes
We kinda need one of the big TH-camrs to talk about this or else nothing will happen. But big TH-camrs usually don’t talk about this because Gaijin can just give them vehicles later than everyone else and the hype would be over
Enlisted has that, your regular XP becomes gold XP (1 to 1) that you can spend however you want, if you want to hold onto it you can, save enough to inta research something? Sure
They had it, as a bug when you could store RP with some UX loophole so if you had all the aircrafts in the techtree you could still play it and all earned RP would not be wasted, but stored in a pool so you could instantly research new aircraft or aircrafts when they were added to that techtree in new major updates. It was fixed a couple of months ago so you cannot do it anymore.
@@Juhziz No, a couple of months ago this was certainly not true. I played the F-4EJ Kai when it was top of the line in Japan. Spaded the thing and then got nothing from this "pool" when the F-16AJ got added.
@@averytiredman4857 I've described it poorly, but it worked like that: if you finished research you are offered to choose the next vehicle for research. That window for choosing next research appeared when you had at least 2 unresearched vehicles in a tree. IIRC if you pushed game shop market in top right corner instead of clicking on one of 2 vehicles that window would close until you relogin. But these excessive RP you earned throughout your matches in that session were never wasted, and were stored as long as you did not choose any vehicle each time game offered you to do it each time you logged in. Some people stored millions of RP that way to unlock whole lines of new vehicles as they were introduced. This loophole was patched somewhere around Air Superiority update when Gripen was introduced if I remember correctly.
@polskajoseoncountryball6950 ok ill be real with you I do not have many vehicles I'm interested left to stockgrind so this issue doesn't affect me the most. But it's still super dumb as a bug and I have plenty of friends who still aren't very far in some trees or avoid some vehicles because of their stockgrind. With the game, at jts current state, whenever someone asks if they should try war thunder, I always tell them no, that they should avoid it because of issues like this
Not if we don't do anything about it. Gaijin has in the past made the grind easier and made changes that benefit the player. They just require players to come together and put pressure on them
There is another bug that deletes RP, though that one is relatively avoidable. When youve researched a new vehicle, thus are on the research tree to select the vehicle you want to spend the remaining RP on, and you check out the secondary weapons on a plane you can research, it deletes the remaining RP, gone, forever.
There’s also a bug where all shells in a belt are fired at the same velocity, determined by the first shell in the belt. No clue how long this issue existed but I feel like it was always the case 😵💫😵💫 Crazy how broken WT is.
@@CatWerferThe easiest way to test it is using the US 75mm M10 cannon. Put the guns on vertical targeting at 800m and use the default and the HE belt. In the default belt, both shells have the same trajectory. In the HE belt, which is only like 460m/s, the round curves much more, indicating how in the default belt the HE round is being fired at higher velocity.
This is on the PBJ if i'm not mistaken? I'll take a look at it, thanks for the lead :) and to be clear, your claim is that: no matter what you do, the velocity of all of the rounds from a gun are the same as the first round fired. Doesn't matter how long you hold the trigger or if you pause and then start firing again, it'll always be the same as the first. Am I correct?
@@CatWerfer Yes. This is actually a known trick many people have always been using. It became popular after one guy included it in his "wt tips and tricks" video
@@CatWerfer Right. I actually saw someone talk about it on YT and first couldn’t believe it until I tested it myself. Then I made a post on the forums, which was closed, so I made a bug report, which hasn’t gotten all that much attention. What’s odd is that shell ballistics are still applied but only the initial velocity is changed.
Whole time we been thinking we not getting enough rp. I’m getting the rp. gaijin is not only making us gamble for SL but also stealing from your pockets directly
a solution would be to allow us to "queue" up multiple mods, say like 3 of them that way it applies to the next mod instantly w/o any imput and it will ask again once its done all 3
I realized this myself once I had 1200 RP in one match and 2000 in another which finished first, I needed 900 to finish a modification and it only gave me 1100 RP to spend, but what seemed to avoid it is swapping the part your researching before you start the next match. so far as I understand how it works, it keeps track of the amount when you start the match not the end so when you start a match its 0 RP leave it early with 100 rp start another match while its still 0 RP it will think its 0 RP not 100 RP even if its added during the match. But sadly the best action is just play another vehicle or wait for the match to finish.
So I've tested this out on my own before and I believe I know why this happens. This happens because when you join a match, the game tracks only the modification that you are currently researching when you enter the match. When you leave one match early the game will keep score for that match and put all of the RP you gain from it into the modification you were researching when you entered the match. This means that when you enter a new mission, and while you are in that mission, the previous match completes the modification, then the new match will still be trying to put RP into the modification you just completed. Therefore losing the RP. Additionally the game is unable to allocate unspent RP while you are not in the hangar. If you get more RP than a modification needs, you can wait in the hangar for the game to finish (or play a different vehicle), and you will keep your RP. You can also do as suggested in the video and change the modification before entering a different game if you know the previous one will finish. No this is NOT intentional. Yes it is a bug. Yes it needs to be fixed. Yes there are simple workarounds that we as the players can use until it is fixed. Also yes this can happen when researching vehicles. War Thunder is a complex mess of spaghetti code and due to this it takes a long time for Gaijin to fix these types of issues. Devs have to sift through 12+ years of more and more stuff being thrown into the game without much care for organization.
I quit playing war thunder many years now because my laptop can't play it 20 fps anymore since explosion graphic update, I never know this bug before, thank you for making this video, guess I learn new thing everyday. Ps. Your ost choice from Detective Conan really fit in every path of your video, I love it, keep doing good work!
Tbh it happened to me today but the RP were added afterwards. I went into air RB and did 15k RP. Finished a plane research and then had 11k spare RP. Looking at a plane secondary armament to choose the where to spend my points, I was left with no RP upon closing secondary armament screen. Went into a battle, -did nothing-, and they gave my 11k RP back at the end of the match.
That’s a different bug then the one in the video I believe. That one you did get the RP but the new secondary armament menu causes a bug when you open it with unspent Vehicle RP that causes it to “disappear” but the server knows you got the RP and didn’t spend it so it “stores” it until a new match finishes. The bug in the video happens when you finish a research with a previous games RP but you started a new game before that previous game ended and thus when the new game ends the server tries to add it to the finished RP of the modification/vehicle but it’s already finished so it just deletes the RP.
great vid dawg, ngl the this bug is honestly bad since not only do u lose rp but u also lose the time u took to get it which amounts to hella lot of time and rp depending on ur playtime. really sad that this bug has been here for years and still no work has been done. still W vid man
Yeah so I've watched the first video too, and I've encountered this bug after playing a huge ec game for multiple hours and getting NOTHING. So annoying
11 year old veteran, i recently took a break for my own sanity and agree with all that you said, watched both vídeos and saw that happening one too many times, told my friends but they called me crazy I've been asking for new game modes a long time but they don't listen Unless they change I am never coming back
Hey, just wanted to add a thing to this: From what I've heard Gaijin no longer makes their own vehicle models and instead outsources pretty much everything they make. An example of one of their last models was the Panther II, and just at a glance you can tell how low quality it is compared to other models released at the same time that were outsourced. It's also theorised that many of the maps, VFX and SFX are outsourced, which wouldn't be a stretch. The best way to look for bad things Gaijin has done is to ask what the laziest option is, cause that's probably the option they took.
From mentioning similar issues in their videos before, some of the larger WT content creators that I follow have said that the vast majority of the time whenever they bring issues with the game up in the CC Discord they get one of three responses: 1) "Make a bug report about it" 2) "We'll look into it (they never look into it)" 3) A boot-licking CC tells them to STFU, the mods say nothing.
thats... unfortunate. I guess for now then we gotta just spam the bug report page i linked in the pinned comment... I wonder at what point the steam review page becomes a justified course of action...
It's probably a stretch, and all previous data points are long into the "foggy memory" bank, but I can't help but wonder if this couldn't possibly be attached to the fact that some challenges take literal days to deliver the reward, the recent memory of this being the "The Few" decal that was awarded to my account two days after I'd met the challenge requirements.
They knew about it for al the time but knew that this issue is more helpful to them slowing down the progress. So in the end they denied fixing it as long as they can. And today they are faced with growing pressure to fix it so they will fix it finally.
i think the thing that frustrates me about this is that it makes top tier very intolerable, for example, the f-15c gets 2 amraams and 2 aim-9ms stock, however you are still forced to research aim-9ls which you cannot equip alongside the default missiles. this means you have to deal with this rp siphoning whilst also having to research modifications that are literally useless leading to a lot of wasted time.
yeah there are a lot of "useless" mods that the game kinda forces you down. It's at least transparent about that and everyone can see how dumb it is for you to unlock missiles you already have better versions of stock and won't use (lookin' at you PL-8s for the J-10A) but it still sucks
There are far more hidden nerfs to RP/SL than we are aware. People who take a break and then return to a game after several years notice how much gaijin cut rewards but suddenly you get funny random crates and surprise talismans but if you played for 2-3+ months in a row all those disappear and you only get same crap over and over.
In the "Now What?" segment, the explanation of the fix that you stated was unclear. but to me it seems the issue is likely with server verification-either it isn't verifying properly, or there’s an error in the verification code, such as a type mismatch (e.g., an int as a float). The second scenario seems more probable. Additionally, there might be conflicts between old and new code making the final theory more proberable. Although backend isn't my specialty, it seems likely that the server is failing to verify your modification rp. Since the problem is intermittent, it could be due to corrupted packets or another underlying issue.
I'm not a software engineer, I just looked at the numbers and speculated what the problem might be. If you have better insight on this then maybe it'll be easier for them to fix it but I feel like that'd be hard for anyone unless gaijin just makes their game opensource and it's not like that's gonna happen lmao
@@CatWerfer Main porblem you should have with this and the thing i dont think you got your head around in your video (not being rude it sounded way more rude then i meant), is you still belive that general balance problems should take precidence over this which i do not feel as this is litteraly a backend problem with the server and another game had a simular problem (poor maintence of backend code) and it eventually had one day where you couldnt play due to the servers just failing obviously this will never happen as that backend problem was with them failing to update code and within i think 2 days it was fixxed but what makes me uneasy is what if this is just the tip of the iceburg as backend is something noone other then the dev team that works on backend will know about as it pretty hard to gain access to that code. So anyone talking about game files will probably have no idea on this problem the main thing that might be causing this is either a data loss through unoptimized code or a single line with a type mismatch. summary (if too lazy to read) Warthunder having a problem with backend is more bad then any problem in its balence (which i think you should of highlighted) as this could just be the tip of the iceburg, people who play warthunder and go through its spagehti code wont even have a clue on how this backend would work as it is usally a secret and the main thing that might be causing this is either a data loss through unoptimized code or a single line with a type mismatch in how the game verifies game data.
well frankly i wasnt aware that this was such a big issue. again im not a software engineer. If i get a better grasp of the scope of the problem then i'd be comfortable sounding the alarm bells from my end but i can't really do that in good faith where I'm at at the moment. Like the most I can really be aware of is problems that manifest into something that directly impacts my gameplay like this RP bug or whenever the server hamster dies for like 30 seconds midmatch or whenever it takes 10 minutes for the game to let you spawn in despite being ingame. Given this i hope you understand why i didnt bring it up (sorry to disappoint, but I can't bring up a problem i don't know about). Perhaps if you could gather solid and physical evidence of the problem, compile it and present it in a manner that can be easily digestable to the average warthunder player via video or reddit thread or whatever is most convenient, you could get support for this for a bug report.
@@CatWerfer for the solid and physical evidence i would first have to be accepted residence near their main office wait for a job offering and then get hired as i stated it is a verification bug and backend is nearly impossible to be given even some opensource projects have closed source backend.
yeah... so not much we can do there... promoting clean and functional software is great and all, and I would much prefer a full rework or at the very least a server stability update instead of the "wow new shiny vehicle" updates they've done since the dawn of forever (probably new power?), but i don't think either you or me or anyone i can talk to really has the ability to act on that kind of stuff. So for now I'll focus on the problem I can see and target. Maybe if server stability gets bad enough there'll be a more thorough investigation into it. Also I'll be honest I didn't think i'd be falling down the "everything wrong with gaijin and war thunder" rabbit hole I just saw the "available 0 RP" thing and thought i would take a closer look.
@@CatWerfer I would be happy to start out new with a few WW2 vehicles, as long as the gameplay felt more realistic and the game didn’t have so many issues.
Messages to the devs, talking to Oxy on stream, bug reports, forum posts all ignored. My steam review is literally all about this issue. I love the game, but I haven't clicked start since April. I am a premium account holder, premium buyer, tree grinding completionist. Ghost shells, whatever. Rendering issues, no probs. But this? Dealbreaker. They get no more of my money or time.
Homestly - i spent over 500$ on just premium packs and GE. Probably another 60$ on premium time, at least. Living in Poland, of all places, and in eastern europe 500 usd is a LOT. After 3 years of continuous play i stopped - gaijin put fox 3s into the game, didn't implement their 'roadmap' after a year, and made the grind even harder than before (yes, really) - it just wasn't playable for me anymore. Its sad that my only fun with the game is watching spookston...
idk i still have quite a lot of fun if you ignore the economy side of things. Could definitely be better but there's still a lot I like about it. If it's not worth it for you then i respect that, it takes courage to walk away from something you've invested in, maybe i'm just not there yet...
@@CatWerfer yeah you're right I've played low tier with my friends a few times lately and I may just come back - but seeing how quickly gaijin removed their 'top tier in one nation RP bonus' (which was crap anyway) I just feel betrayed by the snail
Yeah the rewards for those were abysmal... I was expecting something like a +5% for all games per ground out nation... Though I can't expect gaijin to do anything good without pressure, so hopefully with enough community pressure we can make that better...
Thanks for going bit deep on this 👍 I fought I was seeing thing wrong but now I know I am not creasy 😂 ❤ Ps- as a new sub to your channel I must say picture with Tom is epic 🎉🎉🎉
I remember me looking at the thumbnail and was like well that’s normal until I accidentally clicked on it and I was like oh wait you were trying to tell me that this happens often and I was like ye and then I had to watch both lol
If the bug was affecting Gaijin profits it would be fixed within the week. I believe this is intentional and they are doing their best to try and cover it up now due to uproar.
yeah. I'm holding off on making a follow up to this video, i don't know how much time i should be giving them to work on a fix since it has literally been in the game since the start and they've known about it for at least 3 years. Maybe until the next update after firebirds
8:00 when you mentioned new game modes it made this video perfect. finally someone who knows what theyre talking about, as someone whos been playing this game since 2015, well done. hopefully this turns into something
@@CatWerfer yep and were not even asking for much lolll air rb ec would be easy for them to roll out in the next update with absolutely no effort lol. also, maybe you could make a video with some ideas you have for new game mechanics or modes and such that you think could improve the game. id love to see infantry spread across the battlefield somehow, maybe being able to drop off a squad of soldiers to attack a capture point from your uh1b or something.
I love this game but I just don’t have fun playing anymore. It could be because my buddy I used to play with has gone to basic but I used to have fun by myself and I just don’t anymore. Air arcade realistic ground blue water everything just isn’t fun anymore. I used to get smacked around and get back up but now I just want to turn the game off even when I dunk on someone. Idk if it’s the slog of a grind the game has become or just the fact I’ve done everything I wanted to do in the game I can’t find a solid reason for me not having fun anymore. I wish I still had the drive to play this game but at the same time I: glad I’ve escaped the grasp of the snail
Matchmaker I think is by far the most egregious part of this game's problems. Imagine how much bearable this game's BS would be if you only had to face 0.3 or 0.4 above you. 76mm Shermans would now only have to deal with the 6.0 Panthers, instead of King Tigers and Jagdtigers. King Tigers wouldn't have to fight T32E1s, T-54s, and IS-4Ms. If it made the queue time longer, I'd gladly take it.
Honestly I think that we should make a sort of group with a discord or something so that we can all discuss and push ideas together without being destructive
Hi, did you notice there is a Overflow column in the Modifications Research part of the Mission debrief/My results page, if you mouse over it. Is that new? Or are they actually doing something to this bug now? 😮
While I do agree that this thing should be an easy fix for gaijin to do, it's still likely that it most likely come for a while, if at all really. While it is an issue, compared to others that people often complain about, its a minor one in the grand scheme of things. The main reason I think it may take a while though is the game code itself. While yes, it should legit be as simple as fixing the reward equation, knowing how much spaghetti code is apparently in this game (imma be real I don't code or have dug into the files, but I've heard a good number of folks say its pretty bad under the hood), it's likely a much harder fix than just correcting the reward equation. I do really hope this gets fixed though, its such a pain when stock grinding a vehicle in air battles to do a match, die 5 minutes in cause my jet/prop performs bad when having almost no modifications, then just sit in the hanger waiting cause I want all the RP as I've popped a booster.
That is true that it is "minor" but it also has been "minor" for a reaallly long time. Not brushing your teeth once is a minor problem but if you let that happen for over 10 years... you won't have any teeth left...
Remember to change modification you research before starting another match when leaving early. That is workaround. I reported that bug for years and they just don't care and too few people even noticed it. It works in the favour of Gaijin... Makes grind longer so it makes more people buy premium etc...
Perhaps my words last video were too harsh, but to be honest its annoying that we have to twist their arm whenever a positive change is really needed, it would be nice if this stuff would get fixed without needing a fight every single time.
I agree. Perhaps the reviewbombings were good in that with that one arm twist, we got arguably the biggest package of good changes in one set (though they skipped out on a lot of those promises....)
I wish they brought back heli ec, not being able to research faster by knowing how to play sucks, just go into the city map and ambush ka50 noobs for free research
The way that it seems to work, I don't think it would be much different. I'd be surprised if all the people commenting on my previous video were all freetoplay...
@@CatWerfer alright to be honest I never released the RP loss until now but I’ll definitely keep an eye on my RP now. I thought something was up after spading half the games vehicles
The only fair way I see would be to give us back the average loss of RP per battle in free convertible FP. Maybe it is not perfect ... so I'm open to suggestions.
Compensation would be nice... but I think we should set the goal to first and foremost fixing the actual problem, since even that's not necessarily guaranteed
I don't really know how to feel about that... as much as I appreciate the sentiment and as much as I'd like to be able to enact change for the better, I don't think just because someone is big gaijin automatically has to listen to them lol. Also I kinda like being a small-ish youtuber. I like being able to respond to all the comments and I like talking to yall but that tends to get much harder the larger of a community you get...
wait, wait, wait. So what I am getting from this is that (for some reason) Warthunder doesn't have a transaction log? And for some reason RP income can not be handled while a player is participating in a game? Why would ... HUH?! I smell some VERY smelly server side code.
Oh man Have you ever had some skin and now its locked? They did that too, you win some skin and now you have to purchase it How do i know? Because my decals are still on that skin when i test it in hangar in customisation. Some decals too. Whole community must to stop their greed For example When you purchase premium plane 10.0 BR for REAL money it should not go uptier or be changed in any way, you did click agree, but that is called false contracts, they go against the LAW in most western countries. They can change some things while game is in development, once relesed paid items cant be changed anymore, free items in normal tech tree can go up and down in BR but paid ones cant.
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Link to the Bug Report Page:
community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Kg9VW8Vw8LvU
Smin also did some community responses today confirming that this is indeed a bug and that it's "being investigated"
forum.warthunder.com/t/cm-covert-disclosures-no-3-updates-from-smin/161025/121
I don't really wanna be a controversy video maker and I just happened to fall down this rabbit hole cuz I was curious what was causing the 0 RP situation...
I probably won't do more videos like this unless I really feel the need to address something, just putting it out there.
NAH HOMIE U GOOD KEEP ON EXPOSING THOSE SCAMMERS!!! We made them feel what it’s like to F with the community. We need another revolt.
Can you elaborate more about the poor matchmaker balancing? Cuz i encounter a lot that one team has 2-3 top tier in the lobby but other team has only 1 or even none. This happen alot around 9.3-10.3 Air rb.
@ravenkwan7600 I know it sucks for gameplay but that isn't really a bug so it's not really something I can do an in depth analysis on. I could make a video going over the poor balancing in general but I think a lot of people are aware of that
@@CatWerfer That would be great if we could have a video about that since I couldn't find any post or video which addressing or complaining that, seems no one care or aware the issue.
@@ravenkwan7600 mmm maybe ill put it on the list for things i could talk about eventually. I wanna focus more on technical stuff and guides for now
Once lost 70k rp to this. Had a 500% booster 2 bases destroyed and several player kills. Only had 2k left on my vehicle research and it said I had 0 extra
Gaijin when they have no competition:
THIS
@@CatWerfer all of gaijin’s willful negligence and incompetence can be boiled down to no competition;-;
wish wargaming was actually competent with making games.
We need like War Thunder-type Valorant to give the Gaijin CEO a slap with a newsletter in the face.
@@r1zmywargaming made this type of games. Sure WoT is Arcady and nothing close to this but war thunder was an answer to wot just more realistic.And it was one of the reasons I transitioned to WT. Sadly WoT died out, and now WT has 0 adversaries so they can do whatever they want, actually they don’t even need to do anything. First I wanted a plane game, second the realistic type ( ex historical mode ) was just my thing. It had realistic and hard learning, wasn’t Arcady but wasn’t a hardcore sim either. These days tough ? I don’t like high tier plane games. Even started to grind out ground forces so I could use my A-10 for which I payed real cash. Problem is high tier ground sounds to not be in a good state either. Guess we either wait for a better game, or wait for a game to challenge Gaijin and make them fix the current game. Kinda reminds me of the times CoD goes. For some time they got used to the the most sold and played AAA game that they just reskinned games.
Congrats, you solved a bug in a few hours of work that a giant company hasn't been able to fix in over a decade. They have known about this issue for much more than 3 years; I remember making reports about it back in the early days.
well... I'm not sure if this is the exact issue. Also it sounds like whether it shows up or not depends on the person and is inconsistent too so can't say for sure.
This is just my theory...
It is working in the favour of company so why would they care to fix it
but if there is bug that benefits players then gaijin will be on top of that ASAP.
It is known bug for 9 years
@@megapet777as far as I heard there was a bug where players could get prem time for free. Gaijin fixed it and on top of that hunted players that abused it and billed them.
Boss, where is my overtime RP?
boss im tired
Can i have a RPussy boss?
The first time I thought “damn I got the exact amount, not a single point left over” now it’s just pain
yeah :(
I've been playing since 2014, i must be missing billions of rp at this point. Makes me really mad
Right lmao
As someone who used to be in the WT CC Discord server no, there's a suggestion channel but the mods always told us that the forum and the bug report system is a better way to get things changed. However, I did notice on occasion some things discussed there that I didn't see discussed anywhere else In the community got added/changed, so it might be worth a shot.
oh okay, thanks for the insight!
Well we've already tried the bug report route so i don't think it'd hurt if we got someone there to bring it up.
I was a supporting member of the WTPC back in the day and that was a great way to give them community feedback. Sucks they axed it like all good things. The forum is a wasteland of garbage opinions, but they do read it... sometimes
whats WTPC?
@@CatWerfer War Thunder Player Council, a defunct group from back in the day.
We kinda need one of the big TH-camrs to talk about this or else nothing will happen.
But big TH-camrs usually don’t talk about this because Gaijin can just give them vehicles later than everyone else and the hype would be over
All they need to do is add an RP pool for research.
So you can take the left over RP and put it wherever you want.
Enlisted has that, your regular XP becomes gold XP (1 to 1) that you can spend however you want, if you want to hold onto it you can, save enough to inta research something? Sure
They had it, as a bug when you could store RP with some UX loophole so if you had all the aircrafts in the techtree you could still play it and all earned RP would not be wasted, but stored in a pool so you could instantly research new aircraft or aircrafts when they were added to that techtree in new major updates. It was fixed a couple of months ago so you cannot do it anymore.
@@Juhziz No, a couple of months ago this was certainly not true. I played the F-4EJ Kai when it was top of the line in Japan. Spaded the thing and then got nothing from this "pool" when the F-16AJ got added.
@@averytiredman4857 I've described it poorly, but it worked like that: if you finished research you are offered to choose the next vehicle for research. That window for choosing next research appeared when you had at least 2 unresearched vehicles in a tree. IIRC if you pushed game shop market in top right corner instead of clicking on one of 2 vehicles that window would close until you relogin. But these excessive RP you earned throughout your matches in that session were never wasted, and were stored as long as you did not choose any vehicle each time game offered you to do it each time you logged in. Some people stored millions of RP that way to unlock whole lines of new vehicles as they were introduced. This loophole was patched somewhere around Air Superiority update when Gripen was introduced if I remember correctly.
Rule 1 of War Thunder: Your time and money will not be honored or treated with respect.
Do you really think they'll fix a bug that IMPROVES the grind?
*Chuckles*
let me hope
You will grind endlessly, you will spend all your SL, you will have no GE, and you WILL be happy.
@@eggshapedisraelioperative6317I’m not a peasant so I can afford premium :)
reducing infinity by 10% is still infinity, it wont matter
@polskajoseoncountryball6950 ok ill be real with you I do not have many vehicles I'm interested left to stockgrind so this issue doesn't affect me the most. But it's still super dumb as a bug and I have plenty of friends who still aren't very far in some trees or avoid some vehicles because of their stockgrind. With the game, at jts current state, whenever someone asks if they should try war thunder, I always tell them no, that they should avoid it because of issues like this
Fixing it would ease up the grind.. You know the Snail will do anything to avoid that.
Comments like this are creating a negative feedback loop.
@@FirstDagger just pointing out facts.. if it was an issue for gaijin it would have been fixed. Just like the SL farming method with pve heli.
Not if we don't do anything about it. Gaijin has in the past made the grind easier and made changes that benefit the player. They just require players to come together and put pressure on them
There is another bug that deletes RP, though that one is relatively avoidable.
When youve researched a new vehicle, thus are on the research tree to select the vehicle you want to spend the remaining RP on, and you check out the secondary weapons on a plane you can research, it deletes the remaining RP, gone, forever.
There’s also a bug where all shells in a belt are fired at the same velocity, determined by the first shell in the belt.
No clue how long this issue existed but I feel like it was always the case 😵💫😵💫
Crazy how broken WT is.
huh, I'd actually be kinda interested in looking into that further. Do you have any ways of testing this or any definitive leads on this problem?
@@CatWerferThe easiest way to test it is using the US 75mm M10 cannon.
Put the guns on vertical targeting at 800m and use the default and the HE belt.
In the default belt, both shells have the same trajectory.
In the HE belt, which is only like 460m/s, the round curves much more, indicating how in the default belt the HE round is being fired at higher velocity.
This is on the PBJ if i'm not mistaken? I'll take a look at it, thanks for the lead :)
and to be clear, your claim is that:
no matter what you do, the velocity of all of the rounds from a gun are the same as the first round fired. Doesn't matter how long you hold the trigger or if you pause and then start firing again, it'll always be the same as the first.
Am I correct?
@@CatWerfer Yes. This is actually a known trick many people have always been using. It became popular after one guy included it in his "wt tips and tricks" video
@@CatWerfer Right. I actually saw someone talk about it on YT and first couldn’t believe it until I tested it myself.
Then I made a post on the forums, which was closed, so I made a bug report, which hasn’t gotten all that much attention.
What’s odd is that shell ballistics are still applied but only the initial velocity is changed.
Whole time we been thinking we not getting enough rp. I’m getting the rp. gaijin is not only making us gamble for SL but also stealing from your pockets directly
:(
i have been scammed way too many times by this. thanks for bringing more attention to it
Had the issue with vehicle research recently, where I got 13 RP twice which happened to be the RP I had needed to complete that previous vehicle
@@sundhaug92 so it wasn't just me with this exact setup. Thanks for the feedback
@@CatWerfer Mine was somewhat different, I was using a premium to research new vehicles
a solution would be to allow us to "queue" up multiple mods, say like 3 of them
that way it applies to the next mod instantly w/o any imput and it will ask again once its done all 3
Thank you for bringing this problem up. At least they are acknowledging it, lets hope for the best
yep. there are people saying "gaijin is lying" but that just means that we can hold them to their word when they do go back on it
I realized this myself once I had 1200 RP in one match and 2000 in another which finished first, I needed 900 to finish a modification and it only gave me 1100 RP to spend,
but what seemed to avoid it is swapping the part your researching before you start the next match.
so far as I understand how it works, it keeps track of the amount when you start the match not the end so when you start a match its 0 RP leave it early with 100 rp start another match while its still 0 RP it will think its 0 RP not 100 RP even if its added during the match.
But sadly the best action is just play another vehicle or wait for the match to finish.
"Defyn Kinda Shitter" is a really cool oold referance. The salamander Drawing looks reallycute btw.
@teetasse4012 "I could beat him" "I just play differently" are such famous last words lmao
@@CatWerferpeople really dont know defyn is him
I know defyn from a few of his videos. Can you explain the reference?
@@StarWarsExpert_ I won't spoil anything, look up the video "Devisstated" (make sure to use this spelling), a kind of old video on Defyn's channel
I love the Detective Conan soundtrack you have for this series. Keep it up!
So I've tested this out on my own before and I believe I know why this happens.
This happens because when you join a match, the game tracks only the modification that you are currently researching when you enter the match. When you leave one match early the game will keep score for that match and put all of the RP you gain from it into the modification you were researching when you entered the match. This means that when you enter a new mission, and while you are in that mission, the previous match completes the modification, then the new match will still be trying to put RP into the modification you just completed. Therefore losing the RP.
Additionally the game is unable to allocate unspent RP while you are not in the hangar. If you get more RP than a modification needs, you can wait in the hangar for the game to finish (or play a different vehicle), and you will keep your RP.
You can also do as suggested in the video and change the modification before entering a different game if you know the previous one will finish.
No this is NOT intentional. Yes it is a bug. Yes it needs to be fixed. Yes there are simple workarounds that we as the players can use until it is fixed.
Also yes this can happen when researching vehicles.
War Thunder is a complex mess of spaghetti code and due to this it takes a long time for Gaijin to fix these types of issues. Devs have to sift through 12+ years of more and more stuff being thrown into the game without much care for organization.
I quit playing war thunder many years now because my laptop can't play it 20 fps anymore since explosion graphic update, I never know this bug before, thank you for making this video, guess I learn new thing everyday.
Ps. Your ost choice from Detective Conan really fit in every path of your video, I love it, keep doing good work!
Tbh it happened to me today but the RP were added afterwards.
I went into air RB and did 15k RP. Finished a plane research and then had 11k spare RP. Looking at a plane secondary armament to choose the where to spend my points, I was left with no RP upon closing secondary armament screen.
Went into a battle, -did nothing-, and they gave my 11k RP back at the end of the match.
I guess it's inconsistent whether they give it back, some people get it, some dont...
Same happened to my friend a few games ago, it also got added to the next game or the one after
That’s a different bug then the one in the video I believe.
That one you did get the RP but the new secondary armament menu causes a bug when you open it with unspent Vehicle RP that causes it to “disappear” but the server knows you got the RP and didn’t spend it so it “stores” it until a new match finishes.
The bug in the video happens when you finish a research with a previous games RP but you started a new game before that previous game ended and thus when the new game ends the server tries to add it to the finished RP of the modification/vehicle but it’s already finished so it just deletes the RP.
@@ConnorGorski ohh that is unfortunate 😳
great vid dawg, ngl the this bug is honestly bad since not only do u lose rp but u also lose the time u took to get it which amounts to hella lot of time and rp depending on ur playtime. really sad that this bug has been here for years and still no work has been done. still W vid man
the salamander is so cute! ❤
Oh my God, so this must be why it feels like modifications get unlocked way faster in Arcade gamemodes
that and the fact that arcade mode gives you quite a bit of performance boost probably
Nice. I love this got a followup, definately it deserves one.
After buying the premium for 180 days, grinding the game for 130+ I always sensed there is some sketchy bs around receiving RPs...
Yeah so I've watched the first video too, and I've encountered this bug after playing a huge ec game for multiple hours and getting NOTHING. So annoying
11 year old veteran, i recently took a break for my own sanity and agree with all that you said, watched both vídeos and saw that happening one too many times, told my friends but they called me crazy
I've been asking for new game modes a long time but they don't listen
Unless they change I am never coming back
Good choice on your end. Gaijin needs to know that their shotty practices are driving their players away
Nice work. Hopefully Gaijin will address this problem.
Hey, just wanted to add a thing to this:
From what I've heard Gaijin no longer makes their own vehicle models and instead outsources pretty much everything they make. An example of one of their last models was the Panther II, and just at a glance you can tell how low quality it is compared to other models released at the same time that were outsourced. It's also theorised that many of the maps, VFX and SFX are outsourced, which wouldn't be a stretch.
The best way to look for bad things Gaijin has done is to ask what the laziest option is, cause that's probably the option they took.
@@infernec I've also heard this too, but I didn't look into it too much
I think we need to get many people talking about it, otherwise, Gaijin is doing Gaijin things and nothing will change.
You are so unbelievably based, subbed
"I know this may be a bad time right now but you owe me $32,000 in legal fees."
"HE DID WHAT'N HIS CUP!?"
From mentioning similar issues in their videos before, some of the larger WT content creators that I follow have said that the vast majority of the time whenever they bring issues with the game up in the CC Discord they get one of three responses:
1) "Make a bug report about it"
2) "We'll look into it (they never look into it)"
3) A boot-licking CC tells them to STFU, the mods say nothing.
thats... unfortunate. I guess for now then we gotta just spam the bug report page i linked in the pinned comment...
I wonder at what point the steam review page becomes a justified course of action...
It's probably a stretch, and all previous data points are long into the "foggy memory" bank, but I can't help but wonder if this couldn't possibly be attached to the fact that some challenges take literal days to deliver the reward, the recent memory of this being the "The Few" decal that was awarded to my account two days after I'd met the challenge requirements.
@@fowlWarDog definitely some server shenanigans at play considering whether you get the missing rp at all is inconsistent
They knew about it for al the time but knew that this issue is more helpful to them slowing down the progress. So in the end they denied fixing it as long as they can. And today they are faced with growing pressure to fix it so they will fix it finally.
i think the thing that frustrates me about this is that it makes top tier very intolerable, for example, the f-15c gets 2 amraams and 2 aim-9ms stock, however you are still forced to research aim-9ls which you cannot equip alongside the default missiles. this means you have to deal with this rp siphoning whilst also having to research modifications that are literally useless leading to a lot of wasted time.
yeah there are a lot of "useless" mods that the game kinda forces you down.
It's at least transparent about that and everyone can see how dumb it is for you to unlock missiles you already have better versions of stock and won't use (lookin' at you PL-8s for the J-10A) but it still sucks
There are far more hidden nerfs to RP/SL than we are aware. People who take a break and then return to a game after several years notice how much gaijin cut rewards but suddenly you get funny random crates and surprise talismans but if you played for 2-3+ months in a row all those disappear and you only get same crap over and over.
hmmm now i am genuinely curious what causes the random talisman from those boxes to be added to the random drop pool...
Salamander made me smile
salamander wishes you a good day :)
mainly commenting for the algorithm, spread the word, make gaijin fix this!
At this point gajin owes us like billions in rp now. Can finally finish off the two nations!
Once more onto the algorithm breach.
1:07 happened to me yesterday after unlocking the F-16C Barak II. Got that dreaded “0 research” when selecting a new vehicle.
Investigative video with Conan music. How fitting
I've played on and off since beta, I can't imagine how much RP i'm owed
In the "Now What?" segment, the explanation of the fix that you stated was unclear. but to me it seems the issue is likely with server verification-either it isn't verifying properly, or there’s an error in the verification code, such as a type mismatch (e.g., an int as a float). The second scenario seems more probable. Additionally, there might be conflicts between old and new code making the final theory more proberable. Although backend isn't my specialty, it seems likely that the server is failing to verify your modification rp. Since the problem is intermittent, it could be due to corrupted packets or another underlying issue.
I'm not a software engineer, I just looked at the numbers and speculated what the problem might be. If you have better insight on this then maybe it'll be easier for them to fix it but I feel like that'd be hard for anyone unless gaijin just makes their game opensource and it's not like that's gonna happen lmao
@@CatWerfer Main porblem you should have with this and the thing i dont think you got your head around in your video (not being rude it sounded way more rude then i meant), is you still belive that general balance problems should take precidence over this which i do not feel as this is litteraly a backend problem with the server and another game had a simular problem (poor maintence of backend code) and it eventually had one day where you couldnt play due to the servers just failing obviously this will never happen as that backend problem was with them failing to update code and within i think 2 days it was fixxed but what makes me uneasy is what if this is just the tip of the iceburg as backend is something noone other then the dev team that works on backend will know about as it pretty hard to gain access to that code. So anyone talking about game files will probably have no idea on this problem the main thing that might be causing this is either a data loss through unoptimized code or a single line with a type mismatch.
summary (if too lazy to read)
Warthunder having a problem with backend is more bad then any problem in its balence (which i think you should of highlighted) as this could just be the tip of the iceburg, people who play warthunder and go through its spagehti code wont even have a clue on how this backend would work as it is usally a secret and the main thing that might be causing this is either a data loss through unoptimized code or a single line with a type mismatch in how the game verifies game data.
well frankly i wasnt aware that this was such a big issue. again im not a software engineer. If i get a better grasp of the scope of the problem then i'd be comfortable sounding the alarm bells from my end but i can't really do that in good faith where I'm at at the moment. Like the most I can really be aware of is problems that manifest into something that directly impacts my gameplay like this RP bug or whenever the server hamster dies for like 30 seconds midmatch or whenever it takes 10 minutes for the game to let you spawn in despite being ingame.
Given this i hope you understand why i didnt bring it up (sorry to disappoint, but I can't bring up a problem i don't know about). Perhaps if you could gather solid and physical evidence of the problem, compile it and present it in a manner that can be easily digestable to the average warthunder player via video or reddit thread or whatever is most convenient, you could get support for this for a bug report.
@@CatWerfer for the solid and physical evidence i would first have to be accepted residence near their main office wait for a job offering and then get hired as i stated it is a verification bug and backend is nearly impossible to be given even some opensource projects have closed source backend.
yeah... so not much we can do there...
promoting clean and functional software is great and all, and I would much prefer a full rework or at the very least a server stability update instead of the "wow new shiny vehicle" updates they've done since the dawn of forever (probably new power?), but i don't think either you or me or anyone i can talk to really has the ability to act on that kind of stuff.
So for now I'll focus on the problem I can see and target.
Maybe if server stability gets bad enough there'll be a more thorough investigation into it.
Also I'll be honest I didn't think i'd be falling down the "everything wrong with gaijin and war thunder" rabbit hole I just saw the "available 0 RP" thing and thought i would take a closer look.
A comment to make this video more attractive for TH-cam's algorithm.
Gaijin when profit motive:
Oh no, not the sunken cost fallacy 😫
Well, I’m ready to jump ships, there’s just no other 😂
man imagine someone made a warthunder competitor AND they allowed you to transfer over all the vehicles you researched in warthunder to their game
@@CatWerfer I would be happy to start out new with a few WW2 vehicles, as long as the gameplay felt more realistic and the game didn’t have so many issues.
@@CatWerfer that's a hilarious idea but would be illegal and classify as tortious interference
Mmm I'm sure you've heard people recommending il2 stalingrad, I haven't tried it myself tho I am considering getting it cuz some of my friends have it
Messages to the devs, talking to Oxy on stream, bug reports, forum posts all ignored. My steam review is literally all about this issue. I love the game, but I haven't clicked start since April. I am a premium account holder, premium buyer, tree grinding completionist. Ghost shells, whatever. Rendering issues, no probs. But this? Dealbreaker. They get no more of my money or time.
Homestly - i spent over 500$ on just premium packs and GE. Probably another 60$ on premium time, at least. Living in Poland, of all places, and in eastern europe 500 usd is a LOT.
After 3 years of continuous play i stopped - gaijin put fox 3s into the game, didn't implement their 'roadmap' after a year, and made the grind even harder than before (yes, really) - it just wasn't playable for me anymore.
Its sad that my only fun with the game is watching spookston...
idk i still have quite a lot of fun if you ignore the economy side of things. Could definitely be better but there's still a lot I like about it.
If it's not worth it for you then i respect that, it takes courage to walk away from something you've invested in, maybe i'm just not there yet...
@@CatWerfer yeah you're right I've played low tier with my friends a few times lately and I may just come back - but seeing how quickly gaijin removed their 'top tier in one nation RP bonus' (which was crap anyway) I just feel betrayed by the snail
Yeah the rewards for those were abysmal... I was expecting something like a +5% for all games per ground out nation...
Though I can't expect gaijin to do anything good without pressure, so hopefully with enough community pressure we can make that better...
Thanks for going bit deep on this 👍
I fought I was seeing thing wrong but now I know I am not creasy 😂
❤
Ps- as a new sub to your channel I must say picture with Tom is epic 🎉🎉🎉
This is the war thunder content i want to see
i think it's not so straight forward to fix it for gaijin if we remember that entire game is spaghetti code
yeah it may be kinda complicated, but is it so hard that it takes 3+ years? idk...
Thats a very cute drawing
Fingers crossed this gets fixed
I remember me looking at the thumbnail and was like well that’s normal until I accidentally clicked on it and I was like oh wait you were trying to tell me that this happens often and I was like ye and then I had to watch both lol
@skunkylite lol that's certainly a story behind watching a video
@@CatWerfer ye lol and now I wonder how much I lost in my 150 h
@@skunkylite too much brother...
@@CatWerfer probably lol
Detective Werf at it again
I confirmed this is indeed a thing. It is easily confirmable in air RB at top tier.
I love Conan soundtrack
🗣🗣🔥🔥
If the bug was affecting Gaijin profits it would be fixed within the week. I believe this is intentional and they are doing their best to try and cover it up now due to uproar.
I have been playing since the closed beta. I can't imagine how much xp I am owed.
yeah. I'm holding off on making a follow up to this video, i don't know how much time i should be giving them to work on a fix since it has literally been in the game since the start and they've known about it for at least 3 years. Maybe until the next update after firebirds
This has happened to me so many times
Goes to show how lazy and uncaring the devs are 100% I like playing the game with friends but I HATE the devs
0:38 so also in enduring confrentation?
@@retteip8276 yuppp
8:00 when you mentioned new game modes it made this video perfect. finally someone who knows what theyre talking about, as someone whos been playing this game since 2015, well done. hopefully this turns into something
Please just have these events on permanently and rotate thru them, that would be so amazing 😭
@@CatWerfer yep and were not even asking for much lolll air rb ec would be easy for them to roll out in the next update with absolutely no effort lol. also, maybe you could make a video with some ideas you have for new game mechanics or modes and such that you think could improve the game. id love to see infantry spread across the battlefield somehow, maybe being able to drop off a squad of soldiers to attack a capture point from your uh1b or something.
Yeah I'll do something like that down the line...
@@CatWerfer I'd like to see Gaijin implement that like how Wargaming did for WoT Blitz, rotating fun gamemodes almost every patch.
I love this game but I just don’t have fun playing anymore. It could be because my buddy I used to play with has gone to basic but I used to have fun by myself and I just don’t anymore. Air arcade realistic ground blue water everything just isn’t fun anymore. I used to get smacked around and get back up but now I just want to turn the game off even when I dunk on someone. Idk if it’s the slog of a grind the game has become or just the fact I’ve done everything I wanted to do in the game I can’t find a solid reason for me not having fun anymore. I wish I still had the drive to play this game but at the same time I: glad I’ve escaped the grasp of the snail
If you've gotten out then perhaps this video will serve as another reason to justify why that was a good idea lol
I tested the changing of the researched modification trick, It doesn't appear to help at all
hmmm i wonder how other people got it to work or if theres something in particular you need to do...
Matchmaker I think is by far the most egregious part of this game's problems. Imagine how much bearable this game's BS would be if you only had to face 0.3 or 0.4 above you. 76mm Shermans would now only have to deal with the 6.0 Panthers, instead of King Tigers and Jagdtigers. King Tigers wouldn't have to fight T32E1s, T-54s, and IS-4Ms. If it made the queue time longer, I'd gladly take it.
agreed. there needs to be some major decompression
Mmmhh , thats the reason why i reseach somtimes exact the rp of the modification.
happend today in Sim again. o bad
Honestly I think that we should make a sort of group with a discord or something so that we can all discuss and push ideas together without being destructive
That'd be nice but if I were to set something like that up I'd have to think about how I'd structure it...
Hi, did you notice there is a Overflow column in the Modifications Research part of the Mission debrief/My results page, if you mouse over it. Is that new? Or are they actually doing something to this bug now? 😮
perhaps, they did say they're working on a fix on the bug report page
Whoa, that Salamander is a cutie :3
thanks! i drew it a while ago for my video reviewing the he162
Hmm... I haven't really noticed this being an issue for me in EC Air Sim
But, then, I usually just about play out the match... Or switch vehicles.
I feel like they're very aware of this, but problary won't do anything
Not if we don't hold em accountable
Bugs get fixed… at this point its an intentional feature.
TOMORROW WE ATTACK AT DAWN!!! (kidding...or am i?)
Mmmmmm standby for now....
@@CatWerfer ok ):
another goof up caused by spaghetti code....
nice video btw. the data is interesting and the way u explained it was easy to follow 👍
Thanks! I try my best to explain things that way so its great to hear i accomplished my goals
all your new vids have been fire🔥
if so i would own the STRF9040BILL
While I do agree that this thing should be an easy fix for gaijin to do, it's still likely that it most likely come for a while, if at all really. While it is an issue, compared to others that people often complain about, its a minor one in the grand scheme of things. The main reason I think it may take a while though is the game code itself. While yes, it should legit be as simple as fixing the reward equation, knowing how much spaghetti code is apparently in this game (imma be real I don't code or have dug into the files, but I've heard a good number of folks say its pretty bad under the hood), it's likely a much harder fix than just correcting the reward equation. I do really hope this gets fixed though, its such a pain when stock grinding a vehicle in air battles to do a match, die 5 minutes in cause my jet/prop performs bad when having almost no modifications, then just sit in the hanger waiting cause I want all the RP as I've popped a booster.
That is true that it is "minor" but it also has been "minor" for a reaallly long time. Not brushing your teeth once is a minor problem but if you let that happen for over 10 years... you won't have any teeth left...
So until they fix this, slow down and don't do battles in quick succession.
Im one of thousands scammed and i demand compensayshun!
Remember to change modification you research before starting another match when leaving early. That is workaround. I reported that bug for years and they just don't care and too few people even noticed it. It works in the favour of Gaijin... Makes grind longer so it makes more people buy premium etc...
yes... I did mention it in the video too
@@CatWerfer I know ;) but at the start - most viewers will forget that after a minute
And sometimes it does not work even when you do that.
Perhaps my words last video were too harsh, but to be honest its annoying that we have to twist their arm whenever a positive change is really needed, it would be nice if this stuff would get fixed without needing a fight every single time.
I agree. Perhaps the reviewbombings were good in that with that one arm twist, we got arguably the biggest package of good changes in one set (though they skipped out on a lot of those promises....)
Gaijin will fix this by making vehicle RP missing too
They won't fix plane/chopper targeting camera for how many years now? And it's worse
maybe... they at least need to be transparent
@@CatWerfer
Even in games from 2001 I can enter scoped view in freelook in any direction, on target.
In WT - centerline
I wish they brought back heli ec, not being able to research faster by knowing how to play sucks, just go into the city map and ambush ka50 noobs for free research
was that the old heli pvp that got replaced with pve? cuz all i heard about it was how OP the ka50 was and how unplayable the stock grind was...
CatWerfer truly being the Shounic of war thunder, time for someone to leak the wt source code. 😂
@@Numerose1 haha thanks! (Who is shounic?)
@@CatWerfer youtube.com/@shounic?si=dBQMxpIQoNH3-DlS
TF2 code deep diver
Your content shares similarities which is pretty cool.
ooo ok.
I'm not big on the datamines but i dabble :)
got 5k rp in mods research and didnt get it
Thank you CatWefer
Am curious if you have a premium account would it take less or add what you lost
The way that it seems to work, I don't think it would be much different. I'd be surprised if all the people commenting on my previous video were all freetoplay...
@@CatWerfer alright to be honest I never released the RP loss until now but I’ll definitely keep an eye on my RP now. I thought something was up after spading half the games vehicles
The only fair way I see would be to give us back the average loss of RP per battle in free convertible FP. Maybe it is not perfect ... so I'm open to suggestions.
Compensation would be nice... but I think we should set the goal to first and foremost fixing the actual problem, since even that's not necessarily guaranteed
@@CatWerfer I think gaijin should just remove convertible rp all together and let people just use all of it.
@@CatWerfer That is a good point!
Lets make you big enough so you can be wt creator and gaijin starts to give you vehicles and ge to offset this scam
I don't really know how to feel about that... as much as I appreciate the sentiment and as much as I'd like to be able to enact change for the better, I don't think just because someone is big gaijin automatically has to listen to them lol.
Also I kinda like being a small-ish youtuber.
I like being able to respond to all the comments and I like talking to yall but that tends to get much harder the larger of a community you get...
wait, wait, wait.
So what I am getting from this is that (for some reason) Warthunder doesn't have a transaction log?
And for some reason RP income can not be handled while a player is participating in a game? Why would ... HUH?!
I smell some VERY smelly server side code.
the server hamster that was supposed to handle this died in 2012 and its rotting corpse has neither been cleaned up nor replaced
@@CatWerfer thats just sad :(
lets goo more catwerfer videos
Oh man
Have you ever had some skin and now its locked?
They did that too, you win some skin and now you have to purchase it
How do i know?
Because my decals are still on that skin when i test it in hangar in customisation.
Some decals too.
Whole community must to stop their greed
For example
When you purchase premium plane 10.0 BR for REAL money it should not go uptier or be changed in any way, you did click agree, but that is called false contracts, they go against the LAW in most western countries. They can change some things while game is in development, once relesed paid items cant be changed anymore, free items in normal tech tree can go up and down in BR but paid ones cant.
lol why can't we have good things in this game (its because of gaijin)