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ok i will make it right now

8:24 - I point out that at speeds above the sustained turn, the SEP gradient (color of graph) is deep red along the top edge (max turn) meaning that while the f6f does turn better (blue outline is farther up than the red), the 109 has a better maneuvering energy retention (loses less speed in a turn). 14:08 - The opposite is true with the typhoon, since the top edge has a blue gradient, meaning the typhoon has a higher SEP, loses less speed in a turn, and so has a better maneuvering energy retention

@@CatWerfer went through your older vids. now i understand whats happening for somewhat... hehe... need to think about this..... thanks man!!!

it can be kinda fun sometimes since very often the enemy will try to take you on in a 2v1, but the a6m2/3 is also pretty damn good at juggling multiple people if they try to turn with u

eventually but not in the immediate future

I certainly would like to do altitude performance tests as well but frankly speaking I don't think I want to spend time comparing planes at multiple altitudes. I know that it's important and some planes gain a significant advantage at altitude over others, but its pretty time consuming so when I do make new graphs, it'll probably be on different planes. My code and methodology are all shared in the drive and previous videos so if you want you can test for yourself too, though it can be pretty painful. La5/7 and other planes at other brs coming not-so-soon(tm)

Friendship ended with math thunder, now graph thunder is my best friend

@@CatWerferbtw, do you have these graphs in a google doc or spreadsheet? I think they could be very useful for helping my squadron learn flight characteristics at this br.

as I've said, theyre in the shared google drive folder in the description. lmk if you have trouble accessing them

I am an IDIOT nevermind that

lol we can delete these comments and pretend this discussion never happened

even more p2w when you consider the eremin yak3 with one less .50 at 4.0 💀

sim mode basically removes the instructor the instructor does a few things: - translates mouse movement into control surface inputs to make your aircraft's nose point to the mouse cursor - limits aircraft turn by AoA so the plane doesn't stall The base physics of the aircraft stay the same, but without the instructor, you're able to turn harder but also need to make sure you don't pull too hard and stall your plane. you also have to manage control surface inputs and trim yourself (until you get to fly by wire and jets with computers helping you fly). That's why a skilled sim pilot can outturn someone using mouse aim in RB.

mmm yessss the very gigachad and definitely not whiny baby move of crashing to deny the kill so that both you and your opponent who is playing the same painfully grindy game lose together and the snail wins. it would've been funny if i made a video talking about technical stuff and then i did a psych-out at the end where i just tell everyone to crash lol

@@CatWerfer nah like my boi leonidas said “Give them nothing, but take from them everything.”

@@antonisashitteragain6993 "an eye for an eye means everyone gets to eat eyeballs, mmmm yummmm"

VO? voiceover? why so?

maybe eventually but not now

if there are graphs for 2 planes on a single plot you'd like me to do for planes I've shown in this video i can make that but for new planes I would have to go in and manually test them and i am not going to do that for now

I understand, that's really hard and time-consuming work. It is just a suggestion of two of my favourite aicraft) Thank you for this amazing info, nonetheless!

@@DimaMuskind yeah, itll be happening, just not in the immediate future

eventually, when i get the stomach for testflying again

yeah, though keep in mind that that is the ideal climb speed at sea level and the ideal climb ias drops as altitude increases. Also theres a pretty wide range for the plateau of max SEP so it may not be exactly that number because of the curve fit (check out my "optimizing climb" video if you haven't)

yeah i was surprised too, apparently some people were aware but i guess i just dont interact with them a lot

Early Bf 109 G models were hamstrung by a performance restriction on the DB605. The intake manifold pressure was limited to 1.3 ata due to reliability issues early in the DB605's life. As a result, the DB605 in early G models produced around 1300 hp, around the same of the DB601E powering the F-4. The G was heavier than the F, so flight performance of the early Gs was worse than the Fs. In 1943 this restriction was lifted, so maximum power was increased to 1500 hp at 1.42 ata. Unfortunately War Thunder does not have the flight models with these specs.

The Spitfire Mk.9 is far superior to the Mk.5. However this reality is not modelled in War Thunder because the Mk.9 in the game uses the wrong specs. The Merlin 61 should be producing around 1560 hp in its most powerful setting, but in the game it's modelled as 1400 hp. Problem is, that 1400 hp is its rated power at 7000 m altitude whilst in its first supercharger speed (aka the speed for low altitude performance).

hmmmm is this not just a difference between the f and the lf mk9?

@@CatWerfer It's confusing. The F Mk.9 started out with the Merlin 61, but late-model F Mk.9s got the Merlin 63 which could produce 1710 hp. The LF Mk.9 got the Merlin 66, which was basically a low-alt version of the 63. Produced about the same power, but at a lower altitude.

Lost him to what??? 😧😧😧😳😳😳

the club penguin mafia really thought they could get me but now i have relocated to a remote island with a bunch of gigarich people where the government cannot monitor my activities

@@CatWerfer not malta!

lol i didnt actually play minecraft, i just felt like making something dumb. I do get my minecraft phases but they usually last like a week or two, i might get into some modded stuff later tho

yeah i think i make sure to make disclaimers pretty adequately for my videos. data isn't useful if its mixed in with garbage so i gotta make sure people know what is and isnt high confidence in my data

huh, the airframe limits in air rb are basically identical for the em plot, i guess I shouldve done a bit more research instead of assuming the airframe is the same

F4U-4 is carried heavily by the methanol-water injection (limited WEP). For the altitude performance drop though, is that with manual supercharger gear? I found F8Fs and F4Us on AEC have delayed supercharger gear switch compared to what the manuals suggest for fast-scrambles.

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as he said, that's measurement error. I tested this in the past and theres no differnce in climb, or turn.

lol i think he's joking (please do not rip off your flaps before climbing)

Its performance no reach 4.7

i compared 4.0/4.3 planes, not 4.0/4.3 flight performance planes

@@CatWerfer fair, still it would be interesting to see just how ridiculous it really is.

I don't know what background defyn has in aerodynamics or physics, he always kinda struck me as a "vibes-based" player where he sorta just played planes and gave advice without evidence beyond his own experience (which isn't a bad thing since there really isn't an easy way to gather airplane data outside of just playing the game), but if he has that kind of a background and has interesting things to say about em diagrams then sure

Out of curiosity, what's your background? Military or aeronautical engineering?

studying mechanical engineering (undergrad). I don't have an aero background myself but I've done a fair bit of reading about this in my own time. People more well versed in aero come around and correct me when im wrong so it's nice there are people who can help me convey accurate information in that regard

@@CatWerfer nice, I did too but dropped out. Takes a fucking work ethic

yeah :( meche isn't quite what I thought it would be

lol thanks for the complement but I don't think the average war thunder player would sit through a 30min video about data analysis like i did in pt 2. (though i guess the average wt player would also probably not be that interested in em diagrams either)

@@CatWerfer hey now! Don't just destroy my limited faith in humanity like that! You mean to tell me the average WT pilot is an unpaid actor actively trying to troll their own team?!? Inconceivable! Looking forward to future videos. Maybe you can figure out what the rocket crosshair is supposed to represent :D

im pretty sure the rocket crosshair is just tied to nose direction and maybe the angle the rocket is mounted to the wing at. maybe a more interesting to look into is to try and see how radar lead indicator and arcade lead indicator works

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You're gonna kill the guy faster than the snail

maybe eventually but not for another week or so, testing is annoying

You want to shove an entire EM diagram into the stat cards?

@@MrSeon123 It would be cool if you could compare aircraft in the game

that would make the statcard actually useful lol. maybe they could add a comparison mode like they did with shell penetration for tanks

nice, its good to see that other people are at least aware of it...

brain damage

@@CatWerfer bro was on the za

@@BONGUS1-g7t cat werfer on the catnip

@@CatWerfer lmao

lol i did my best to explain it as well as i could but i guess i cant help it math is math

I think part of the reason its a bit hard to grasp is that I haven't shown any application yet. Im working on a part 3 video where I go into comparing these graphs so that might help ground all the math mumbo jumbo

i have skill issue :((

Yeah I do that now

Lol what are you applying this to

@@CatWerfer you‘re lookout from last video „next vid is gonna be something actually applicable“ xD

LOL i meant the next one in the series this is just a pooppost

I'll have you know that novichok is an acquired taste

its my mental illness i get to choose the coping mechanism

@@saifkhalifa6161 welcome to the math corner of wt youtube