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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- This is technically a Halloween special. What's scarier than fallen dreams and hope. That's even scarier if you know the reference.
So the Zombosseum happened. Its gone now, but it still happened, and this is my video about it because Rome is worth talking about. I don't think Rome has anything new to add, and this is my video explaining why, going through it in a huge amount of detail. Honestly might be the most analysis packed video I have done for a long time, if not really ever. I like this one. I hope you will too. This was a very fun video to work on.
Oh and sorry for the content drought. Hope this makes up for it.
Thanks to @whisperjas for their help here! Link to their channel here if you want to use their stuff: / @whisperjas
My Discord (which contains my mod as well wink wink): / discord
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
2:15 - The Minor Stuff (ft. WhisperJas)
7:52 - The Level Design
12:31 - The Zombies
18:21 - Conclusions
Footage is from:
Plants VS Zombies 2
AltverZ (PVZ2 mod)
Undertale
Reflourished (PVZ2 mod)
Redfall Launch Trailer
Fifa Steam Page
Overwatch IGN news
Music used (in order of appearance):
Modern Day Wave 1 - PVZ2
Forest Frenzy - OMORI
The entirety of Rome's Soundtrack - PVZ2
SPAMTON - DELTARUNE
Ancient Egypt Wave 1 - PVZ2
A Real Boy! - DELTARUNE
Cerebrawl (ingame) - PVZ1
Far Future Wave 2- PVZ2
Trees... - OMORI
Graze The Roof (ingame) - PVZ1
A Home for Flowers (empty) - OMORI
PRANKED. - OMORI - เกม
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i know you guys voted on me to finish the retrospective but your voting is meaningless considering my dumb desire to do whatever the heck i want
honestly let me know if you want to see more crossovers in the future that made this video special to me and i love how it turned out
I think the crossover was sick! It’s always good to bring on someone else if you don’t have much knowledge in what you’re talking about
the illusion of free choices
You should crossover with Wolfy Playz and have him scream about Octo Zombie for 10 minutes straight.
Sometimes I despise you Mr Crepes
(Although I chose this option)
I love democracy.
Dark ages "mower" is a plowshare. It's a tool you can pull, or have an animal pull, that will dig a long, shallow ditch to till dirt for planting seeds. All things considered, it's probably the closest equivalent to our modern lawn mowers.
so it is, learn something new every day
...I thought it was a guillotine this whole time...
Thw art for it still bad tho
oh it's the leg amputator
@@toriofthestarpalaceI like the idea of a French revolution world, if only for the idea of having guillotine lawnmowers, however that might work
What we have learned today:
Rome had no grass
Rome was egypt but fancier and red instead of blue
Rome had boring music
bro watched like a third of the video 💀
@fortnitesexman tbh he summoned it pretty well
@@hehehehaw8346 you mean summarized?
cause he forgot the part where the zombies and zombot all sucked too, and how the level design was poor
meaning the world has a net total of 1 positive, that being the art..sometimes
@fortnitesexman I can't take u serious after I read ur name and pfp😭
Lawnmower bad
seeing that zomboss animation has got me genuinely convinced that not a single human at popcap being works on pvz2. there is no way anyone can look at that and say "yeah, that's good. release that."
lmaooo it looks greenscreened in
It's looks like something from pvz2 chinese
@@saltysalt844pvz2 Chinese looks way better
Pvz2 devs legit used powerpoint to animate zomboss💀💀
The plants share that same shitty animation to. Everything in this game has gone downhill
Well, you know what they say
Rome wasn’t built in a day, but this clearly was
correction, rome wasn't built
🍁@@vinegar...
@@vinegar...Nature sure is beautiful
Another thing the healer zombie can do is when it’s defeated normally, the staff will plant itself in the ground and heal surrounding zombies until it’s destroyed.
That would be cool and unique and popcap will never add that functionality
@@legolew2336it already does that
@@RambunctiousPerson Ah, misread that. I play Altverz so as of this moment I am clueless on how that works. The fact the healer zombie can do that and Creeps literally didn't mention it means that it is a non factor in anything.
Giving the staff more health and making it so that it necromancies zombies that died in a radius around it may be an interesting take on that. Would just be an instant plant bait if that was implemented but still, would at least be more than a non factor.
And i'm pretty sure that the staff grid item heals armour. C'mon Popcap, make either both heal armour, or just have none of them heal armour
That is correct actually. Fun fact! The staff on the ground heals by raw numbers instead of percentage. For some reason. PVZ2 is the game of all time.
Rome not being a world is poetic
Ovidius been real quiet since this dropped 💀
@@Antiling_the_Squidkidbro got zero roman literature knowledge 💀, check de Metamorphoses
@@Antiling_the_Squidkid he means Ovid
@@Antiling_the_Squidkid💀
@@Antiling_the_Squidkid🤓
I read this as "Roman can't be a word" i hate my life
that would be a much better video
@@Creeps20I dare you to make a video on beesmas this year
@@BigHeadBobertis that game still getting updated? i used to play it a while back but i stopped because there werent anymore updates
@@brome42yeah
@@brome42 every Christmas
List of wacky ideas for a Zombosseum rework:
-Have Statues and/or Vases be the main gimmick of the world. They mostly just act like Frozen Blocks, but can be interacted with by most of the zombies.
-Shield Zombies have somewhere between level 2 and level 3 defense. If their shield is broken and they encounter a prop (grave, statue, vase) they'll pick it up and use it as a shield instead, replenishing their defense. If they're killed while carrying a prop without breaking it somehow (perhaps through some means of piercing,) they'll drop it where they stand, effectively placing it down on the tile they died on, as well as crushing any plants in the way.
-Ballistas (Or Zcorpions as they're apparently called) are now Fishermen's weird cousin. They'll throw vases at the plant furthest to the right in their lane. If they hit, they'll destroy it and spawn an imp in its place. If they miss (such as if the plant is shoveled) the vase will land without breaking and become a prop.
-Healers will walk until they reach the middle of the lawn (around the 5th tile, to be exact) at which point they'll stop in place, and heal any basic zombie that passes by to full health. They can't restore the health of Gargs or other special zombies, only basics, and can't repair armor, however any zombie they heal will get "overheal" equivalent to the extra defense of a cone. If a prop is in the way of the tile they meant to stop at, they'll stop one tile back instead. (IE, if a prop was in the 5th tile, he would stop in the 6th, and if there was one in both 5th and 6th he'd stop in the 7th, so on and so forth.)
-Medusa mostly functions the same, with the addition that if there's no other prop in her lane, she'll petrify a basic zombie in the tile in front of her, and begin pushing it.
-Zomboss not only would get an animation overhaul, he'd also gain some of the aforementioned properties of the Ballista. Instead of missiles, he chucks several vases at once at random tiles inbetween the second and sixth tile. (3rd-5th.) Like the Ballista, it will only turn into a zombie if it hits, and if it doesn't destroy a plant, will instead place a vase. He would also gain an attack that allows him to destroy every vase on the yard at once, revealing the imps within. He would automatically do this attack if there's a vase in every lane.
The whole idea of zombies picking up armor from statues and vases strewn across the lawn reminds me alot of Kung fu world's item frames and how zombies change "classes" depending on what they reach. There are also a bit of some questions about the concepts too, like what if all the tiles from the 5th to the 9th are all occupied? Does the healer act like the zombie king and stay at the beginning of the lawn? But overall you have great concepts for reworks.
Would need some tweaking but great idea overhaul :)
So the zombot’s new ability is just plankwalker on steroids
For shield zombie, another idea is to make it a Jester for piercing plants.
Maybe a senator zombie that essentially talks a lot and makes the zombies go faster. Or a zombie that makes legionnaires group together in special patterns
I think Carnie zombies would make for a decent world IMO. They all have synergy, that being pushing deep into your defenses. Stiltwalkers don't take knockback and just walk past everything, then start eating once they take enough hits. Carnie Cannon (if that's its name) shoots basically a buckethead into the middle of your lawn. Firebreathers sprint towards your plants and burn them. Magicians teleport zombies further forward, and spawn doves that steal a couple plants. While the theme "Carnival" isn't really a time period, the Carnies are the best bet for a new world (take notes modders)
Your right
It can be a theme didn't circuses started in the 1700's though
I mean look at Big Wave Beach since it's set up in the 1960's it can get away from being a World based on Time Travel
@@ethanc.8683 Sure, it can work for a world, but the current lawn for it is just an altered modern day lawn, so it would need a new lawn to stand out as it's own thing (it'll never become a world though so it doesn't really matter)
@@qualitytimewithted5160 All we can do is use are imaginations and pretend it exists sadly
carnie synergy sounds awfully similar to what jurassic marsh tries to do
Well Rome wasnt made in a day
And it sure won't go down in a day either with the energy system.
but the zombosseum might have been
Simple fix to anti synergy, make Medusa able to petrify any backwards da ing zombie, and have ballista spawned zombies walk backwards. This keeps the threat of ballista, and applie pressure with grid items and eventually tanky zombies
or better yet, if medusa's statue is destroyed, have her turn the closest plant to her in the lane into a statue.
@@Eliza-hb1ncOh my! Medusa as the next wizacto!
medusa can already do that though?
@@15_heidune72 statue as in something she can push AKA medusa would be a hard counter to straight shooters and walls
@@Eliza-hb1ncthat plus making the head shield units work would be devastating as medusa crushes your defence the shields slow you down further (and then the piercers come in)
Lets be honest, the Roman Zombies were just made for Penny's Pursuit in the first place (same as the ZCrop zombies). Nothing denies that and this event won't.
When I encountered the zombies with shields over their heads, I panicked. I thought they were the Roman equivalent of surfer zombies.
...Then I killed them.
The zomboss design is quite decent, but the animation though... They didn't even give Edgar an animation, he's just stay still holding controllers. The zombot itself literally has just 2 frames of idle animation.
This is something that's extremely petty in relation to everything else brought up in the Zombies section, but as someone who loves to make dumb images to amuse my friends, I noticed this and I think everyone *has* to know. The revving tires on the Roman Zomboss I Have Already Forgotten The Name Of literally look like someone just changed the hue and applied a paint dot net motion blur effect onto it in like... 15 seconds. Are there even any keyframes on that thing beyond it changing to the revving sprite? Like, at all...? You could literally replicate that "effect" by just... Swapping the sprites out. It's frankly disgusting-looking.
You can clearly see that the wheel spokes aren't moving, so, yeah, I think that's exactly what they did. You could actually convince me that the Zombot's intro animation is a %$#&post animation made by a fan...
i love video game music design, so im super glad you had a section on it in this video! love your stuff
Yeah
:3
@@whisperjas hey jas, what is with the name change?
The funny thing is, a mod made by an infamous name that's meant for easier grinding had the idea of a Rome World. Also, if Holiday Mashup can be a world in a certain mod, so can Rome.
the point of the video wasn't that the concept was fundamentally fucked, but that popcap have dug a grave for themselves too deep to get out of (2 centimeters)
I would love to see roman zombies reworked. I can see medusa turning plants to stone, similar to octo and wizard, but instead the effect lasts for a minute, in which the plant becomes a pvz 1 grave that cant break. And healer could be reworked to help groups, increase max hp, or heal single targets, making them hard to kill (but its specific numbers, not percentages). And make the overhead shield do something. These are a few ideas i had.
Rome could be a world... In a mod... After reworking just about everything in it, assigning plants to it, and giving it a unique and interesting gimmick.
I feel like ZCorp and Carnie zombies could be worked into some time periods. Carnie could work in the early 1900s when they were kinda popular, and ZCorp could be set in the future yet potentially earlier than far future.
ZCorp could maybe be set like a year or two before the first pvz as a ‘prequel’ showing why the zombies even attack the player to begin with
Zcorp could maybe be Industrial Revolution
Nah we got the Steam Ages for that I think
ZCorp could be interesting if they were redesigned to reflect a “1970s corporate America” vibe tbh.
@@DCT-tt8ibi got an idea for my mod
I would love to hear Voup make videos about PvZ2 music, his process, his opinions, etc.
may Be
@@whisperjasMayBee
I think that last part really hit home. We deserve to have high standards for what we want even if we're slowly getting desperate that we aren't getting it.
If we just lower standards every time things get worse we'll never have nice things ever again.
just realized the AE mowers are vaccum cleaners... in the middle of a desert. that's kinda funny. but that zom"bot" is going to haunt me...
since you're a pvz2 mod creator and player and what not, it'd be cool to see what a modding tutorial by you would be like. especially since what we have now... leaves something to be desired!
Okay yes, I absolutely agree. In my opinion, the only modern world that would actually work would be Big Top, but it lacks a world gimmick to set it apart. Even still, the zombies are certainly more interesting. Unfortunately, though, every zombie in all 3 modern worlds is just a harder version of a previous zombie, other than consultant and zcorpion. It definitely is nice that these worlds exist though, since if PvZ2 modders ever want to add a new world, a bunch of art assets are already done for them.
I have only encountered the sheilds zombies in pvz2 and i dont have any experience with all the other ones, i hope roman world gets modded in because all it needs is balance changes and a few new zombies, it would maybe take only half a year to add or more. The vanilla leveld were just so boring, easy, and hypercasual that i didn't even want to play them
balance changes isn't everything, you'd still need better music and better art
@@fortnitesexmanI think that the art is fine (except the music and Zombot's animations)
@@LorLgp i was mainly referring to the lawn in terms of art needing to be redone
@@LorLgpthe lawn is enough decent, zomboss needs an Animation redesign
17:12 I don't even know what they tried to accomplish with this introduction, it's looks off on so many levels.
I did not expect Jas to appear here, glad to see a small collab on this channel :)
Alright, I see lots of suggestions on how to improve the Roman zombies, but hear me out: the Roman empire was known for it's great use of war strategies, so, wouldn't it be cool if the zombies actually appeared in effective combat formations, which would need special precise tactics to dismantle. For example: rework shield zombies so they would block damage from the front/above, depending on the way they hold it, and have them go out in a turtle formation. This means the player will have to find a way to kill the front zombie before taking care of the others. Then, add the healer into the mix. He heals the shield zombies, and they protect him. Then, rework Medusa so that she will turn, let's say, instas into stone and have her go with shield zombies or a garg. Now, you will have to find a way to separate them or use 2 instas, 1 - to take Medusa's ability, which goes in a short cooldown. To counter these op formations, I'd give the player more time to prepare and collect a lot of sun. Also, maybe don't even bother spawning single zombies. This could make Rome into a truly unique world, which will make the player completely change their strategy.
Also, when Medusa turns an insta to stone, it can be broken, this could allow for some kind of cheery bomb setuping. But that could be too overpowered.
that's actually a great idea OMG
Sounds good on paper, but the execution would be terrible
You see, it's cool to see almost EVERY zombie working together, but it would be stupidly hard/complicated to counter and also would limit most zombies to one strategy rather than making multiples
There are some suggestions:
Make the roman top shield act like the parasol zombie, it would be better
And that's it, the rest can work like it should
fun fact- the reason why the music is so different is coz peter mconnel left and theyre using the composer fro pvz 3
I can still hope they add it, even if its gonna be terrible
I mean, they COULD always just fix the errors, even if it takes a long time. I just want some actual new content, not just new plants
BOOTLICKER 🫵 lmao
popcap is popcap, even if they really wanted to fix it they would purposefully refuse to knowing it's causing you distress
go play some pvz mods man
@@fortnitesexmanit’s copium, not bootlicking. Big difference. If it were bootlicking, they wouldn’t be accepting that it’d be terrible.
@@anonymentor1775 wouldn't accepting something bad even knowing it's bad still be considered bootlicking? afaik that doesn't conflict with the definition
@@fortnitesexman fair enough. it's more bootlicking and hopium, as opposed to copium.
I think it's fine for a start. Give the Shield Zombies different mechanics based on weather their shield is up or down (similar to lost city with Excavator and Parasol zombies). Healer can only heal 15% of overall health on a zombie ONCE. Or he would affect plants with a debuff, making them do less damage for 3-5 seconds before needing to cool down for 10 seconds. The Ballista can act more like Catapult zombie from PVZ1 (Umbrella leaf being in Roman Empire as a plant). Medusa is hard to rework however...it could keep its mechanics of turning zombies to stone however i think that would mean that Ballista would launch backwards facing imps that could "feed" its ability essentially. Additional zombies could be the Caesar Zombie (this one acts more like the King rather than a General). Another zombie could be similar to the Bull rider. The Chariot zombie would rush forward and hurl a zombie after coming in contact with a plant. They would land around column 5 normally. The Chariot will act like a Gravestone on the lawn.
The plants could be Umbrella Leaf, Olive Pit (reworked from a Seedium, function unchanged), Bay Lureel (based on Bay Laurel, acts like a Sweet Potato/Enduring hybrid), Sporeticus (a 3 tile ranged Melee attacker similar to Bamboo Spartan/Scaredy shroom who has high defense when Zombies get to close), and Bamboo Spartan (also reworked from a Seedium).
The zombot could be remade to resemble a Trojan Horse, though Hotrodicus just needs better animations in all honesty. And a unique gimmick like revving it's engine and sending a lane of fire down a single lane.
As for world gimmick: arrow rain. Arrows rain from the sky onto 5 random tiles. If a plant is on that tile a net is applied the same as the Gargs imp throw.
It's very unfortunate that they will never make a Roman world.
Although I think it's a blessing, because I'm pretty sure the new team would somehow find a way to mess it up
But, at least it will exist... If a world was added
@@benjrobrt9029at least I think Rome is better than the carnies or zcorp.
The carnie zombot is literally just a reskin of the war wagon. (I think that's the name of the wild west one)
@@TheRedStinger82 the bbt zomboss is actually better than the zombossium boss (those animations made me want to cry)
@@benjrobrt9029 the carnie zombot animations are far better compared to the Roman one. I just don't like how they just reskinned the war wagon and called it a day.
@@benjrobrt9029the reason is because those are reskins
That music makes me think of a character selection screen for an old rpg set in a fantasy world where you play as a barbarian for some reason and I am not quite sure why, it could be either the trumpets or the random shouting
I love this guys channel for no reason whatsoever
Well, looking at the quality, I guess you could say this is the one time you can say Rome was indeed built in a day.
You all mean Greece, right? Medusa is Greek. Gorgons are Greek. The celery stabby dude is a spartan. Greek. Not Roman
If we want to talk about good roman worlds there is gt000's one, it has good specials and synergies and a cool gimmic ( also no level design at all but still)
But gt reworks all of the specials so it is still a drastic change
It's a lot simpler than you think.
Rome can't be a world
BBT can't be a world
ZCorp can't be a world
Why? Because worlds give you plants for free, without grinding.
And guess what Popcap hasn't done since 2015? Giving you plants for free without grinding.
With the current dev cycle being one new plant that players need to grind like a week or two for, I can't imagine them making 5-6 new plants to give you for free by just beating levels.
I always thinking, the reason why the process of making new world is not that easy is because they had to make new 5 or 6 plants at a time to given for free. The story mode is completed anyway so there is no reason to add new world in the main storyline (have you even ever seen developer put new stage between stage in the storymode even thought the game completed?), but they can however just make new section for limitless thymed event sort of things though where they didn't have to give plants for free
I know this is a dumb thing to say, but I hope Reflourished and/or Altverz take a crack at a Roman age. Obviously a lot would need to be changed, but it honestly would fit pretty decently as a bridge between Jurrasic Marsh and Modern Day. I can think of some good plants that would fit for the world, like Olive Oil and Hot Date.
what is bbt
WHAT IS BBT? TELL ME DUDE, YOU FUC****KING IDIOT
@@ZIMOU2014 Backyard Big Top (the carney zombies)
The best youtubers always have long waits
I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW THANKS FOR POSTING CREEPS
2:55 Hell yeah, talking about music and bringing in [Number 1 Rated Salesman 1997]'s theme, nice
(edited) And quitting with "A Real Boy' followed up by an explosion... epic
I feel like youre just criticizing the Zombosseum rather than explaining why it shouldnt be a world, this could be improved
Well yeah, it shouldn't be a world because it sucks. That's the explanation.
I do have some ideas to make the zombies better because like you said, they could use a little work
For the medusa, the first step is to remove the ability to petrify hypnotized zombies, that way healer can use that without clashing (note that it can still petrify zombean zombies). Then I think the Medusa should be able to petrify plants it gets close to, like melee attackers, walls, and even instas that need zombies nearby. Then the final step be to lower the health of the marble, or make it proportional to the petrified thing’s hp, just so they’re not too hard to break. This is similar to what octo zombie does but it only affects one lane and it’s more passive, meaning Medusa doesn’t have to go through a long animation to petrify.
For the upward shield zombie, the basic idea is to make it deflect lobbed projectiles just like a parasol, since that’s kind of what it seems like it wants to do. A slightly larger idea is to make it act like the surfer zombie as well, so it can destroy a zombie in front of it and leave a high health shield for zombies to hide from damage as they move across the lawn.
My idea for healer is very simple. Let it heal armor, but not if the armor has already fallen off (because then the zombie has essentially become a basic), that way its only synergy isn’t gargantuars
I also have 2 simple ideas for changing the ballista. The first one is to make it deal damage instead of insta kill, and make it not spawn a zombie. That way it acts like a frontline hurting version of the catapult zombie from pvz1. The other mutually exclusive idea is to make it act similar to imp cannon, where it spawn zombies far ahead into the lawn and will either leave after a while or be destroyed in windows where it’s on cooldown.
I don’t know what ceasar already does and I have no ideas for zomboss though. Any mod creator that likes these ideas and would want to add these changes in a rome world for their mod would have to come up with changes for zomboss and maybe changes for ceasar too.
The lawnmower could be changed to some kind of battering ram or spiked and wheeled apparatus, but even these ideas are kind of an afterthought to the zombies, idk
I tried to make this mostly a frontline hurting world much like big wave beach and I feel it shows. Maybe some of the ideas are too similar to what big wave beach did for them to be the new things these unique zombies do, but idk that’s just my idea
What if the catapult spawned backwards facing zombies to give Medusa Zombies extra protection by being petrified in front of them?
change it to a chariot
reworking this world into a Pompeii type area would be neat, where the world gimmick and hazards are volcanic rocks and fissures on the board, and rework some of the zombies, like turn the catapult into the catapult zombie from PvZ 1 where they target the farthest lane first and just hit it with projectiles, make Medusa function better with the freeze ability, maybe turn the shield zombies into something more handy, like the Parasol and shovel zombie, but their shields can be taken by magnet shroom, there's plenty of cool stuff a modder can do with this style, but unfortunately in the state it's in rn, is just super messy
I concur, if Popcap reorganized and actually focused on putting some soul into the game. Rome would be the coolest concept for a world ever. Some of the zombie ideas prove that concept. They just need to put in actual EFFORT!
I havn't played vanilla pvz2 and barely keeps up with it. But seeing the effort now and the minimal effort, it just seems comedic now. The animation for Zomboss made me laugh cause they would NEVER do this. And the zombie syncs with healer and Medusa makes the game seem for funnier in the sense of no attention given. its funny and sad at the same time
The roman lawmower is _literally_ a joke. They cut their grass by letting a goat eat it. That's why the mowers are goats.
I'd also argue the whole issue with none of the levels having sun production objectives or conveyors or whatever isn't really valid. LTEs are only eight levels, a full world is 20+. Taking eight levels and assuming that because none of those eight have conveyors that none of the theoretical other 12 would be is just that, an assumption. Especially since LTE levels in general don't have gimmicks like that.
This could just be me, but i dont mind when your stuff takes a while to release. I usually watch the same infinut or spikeweed video again or soundsmith
It would be pretty cool if they would move the limited time events to the warp after modern day as like appearing from the rift and also if they gave us plants instead of rewards (but that would mean less money earned so impossible)
My theory is that there was originally gonna be more worlds before Modern Day and Rome was supposed to come out after Big Wave Beach, However due to some unknown reasons they decided to scrap this entirely and decided to rush Modern Day which explains its lazy mechanics of reusing other zombies. They then decided to make Rome an event later on. (Like Modern Day its also rushed which explains the zomboss fight)
I'm just getting into your channel and have been finding your videos very interesting. I have a suggestion though: A lot of the time I can't understand what you're saying because you slur your words a bit (I get it, I do that too), so maybe in future you could add some captions or try slowing down when you speak to make enunciating clearer? Been really enjoying the content and am looking forward to seeing you grow and improve!
I played through the Zombosseum, and I liked elements of it, the Zombie designs were neat.
But, you could see that they made this in a very short amount of time, so they either tested how people liked the zombie design, or they wanted to make a new world, didn't have enough time and put out the unfinished world as the Zombosseum.
Still, I had fun playing it, altough it wasn't as challenging as a full on world and not as detailed.
I have a cool idea for a gimmick for this world:
In the bar at the top of the screen where the waves are indicated; different symbols will appear across the bar.
a blue circle with a lightning bolt in the middle indicates a zeuss attack where several random tiles will be stuck by lightning , killing or damaging the plant on that tile.
a black circle with a skull that has glowing green eyes in the middle indicates a hades attack where tombstones will rise from the ground that are designed to match the world theme.
a light blue circle with a trident in the middle indicates a Poseidon attack where a wave will appear in a random lane and progress from the right side to left side; washing plants on that row backwards a space.
a red circle with a sword in the middle indicates an ares attack. A war horn will be heard that causes a smaller wave of zombies to appear on all 5 lanes.
Buddy, saying that the lawn design of Rome and Egypt are similar is an understatement. *The playable space is literally the exact same, down to the cracks in the pavement, but in a different color and with additional decor on the border!*
Just to say it I do love this channel
Omg a new video (let’s goooo!!)
In my opinion, I doubt PopCap could make a Roman world actually good. But I have faith that modders could make a good Roman world.
happy to see ur posting even if its at 2 am, keep it up creeps
Ways to make this Roman thing better:
(In my opinion)
General stuff:
-Better level design
-Unique mechanics exclusive to the world (Maybe vases can be randomly scattered around and when broken they provide either a seed packet or a zombie or sun like vase breaker but younneed to destroy them woth plants rather than tap them.)
-Better soundtrack
-New plants thst would actually be useful
Zombies:
-Shield zombies should always hold their shields up but lower them in front only if they are at the front of the line. -Holding the shields up prevent projectiles harming the line of zombies from above and holding them forwards prevents them being attacked from the front.
-Plants with projectiles that go through should be more required to harm the zombies faster since the shields should have a lot more HP to make this more of a requirement.
-Maybe a new plant could do that as well as attack backwards too since their backs won't be protected.
-Meduca zombie should have at least three stone zombies that she pushes.
-Any hypnotised zombie or zomboid or zombie that has "chosen a lighter path" or just any zombie facing the opposite direction to your house will get turned to stone if a Meduca is on screen, even if they are in a different line. If turned to stone they will no longer be on tour side and will be back to normal ocne freed from stone.
-The previous point may sound pointless since youd likely learn prefty fast to not use those types of plants but maybe she can also use her ability whenever she touches a zombie or a zombie comes into contact with the statues shes pushing.
-Maybe a couple of levels could have protect the plants but the plants are zoybeens.
-The healer not healing armour is fine since that wouldn't make sense and his way of healing is also fine. What I think would make him better is if he healed multiple zombies at once on screen wirh a preference for more annoying zombies and/or to just heal more often.
-Maybe the Healer could even give basics an invincibility for a couple of seconds after they get healed.
-Him removing hypnosis shouldn't be a thing although instead maybe he could remove other effects such as poison.
-Balistas should have more HP but attack less often and only basic zombies can be summoned from the pots. Basics will have the highest chance, then Coneheads, then Bucketheads.
-Maybe Umbrella Leaf from PVZ 1 can be added as a new plant for this world to counter the flying pots. And prevent swinging/dropping/thrown zombies in other worlds too.
-Caesar Zombie instead of just snading there will progress towards the house like zombies.
-His salad throwing would be more like Octo Zombie and the salads can be destroyed when taken enough damage but it doesnt give the plant back as a cost rather than it speeding other zombies up.
-His summoning should be made to only summon basic roman zombies but nothing more.
-Zomboss can have better animations.
-A zombie should be summoned from the vase every hit, even if it doesn't hit a plant.
-He should summon zombies from his mouth more often like the other Zombiss Fights.
-It should be a conveyor level like other Zombiss Fights with plants from the world.
My rework of the Shield Topper Zombie:
Shield Topper Zombie would protect zombies in the lane from lobbing plants and be immune to knockback. The shield would not be able to be grabbed by Magnet shroom. Once the shield is broken the zombie would act as normal (maybe with a slight speed boost {it would have a slower speed because it’s carrying a heavy shield}).
To make the zombie be a semi-threat and not be easily taken down, I’d say increase the shield health so it can’t be 2 shotted by a melon-pult and have a higher chance for them to spawn with armor so that the player would need to check their lawn power.
One of my biggest gripes with these limited-time events is the writing. Remember when the writing used to be funny? In the main game, each of the characters served a purpose: Crazy Dave was the eccentric comic relief, Penny was the straight man (or woman) who would provide info, and Zomboss was the threatening evil mastermind who would usually be one step ahead.
Now? Dave and Penny are barely present and are replaced by the plants, who are just bland stereotypes: Peashooter is just the hero who spouts generic hero lines, Sunflower is just the optimistic supporter, Wall-Nut is dumb and absent-minded, and Iceberg Lettuce is just... there. And he makes lame ice puns that will _totally_ make any five-year-old laugh. Zomboss has been reduced to just an evil genius who wants to eat brains and is literally animated with PowerPoint, Dave is just obsessed with tacos now, and I guess Penny is still the smart one - kinda.
And this update has this at its worst. So many of these lines feel so... forced and flavorless. I think the worst line came from Peashooter after beating the Zombot Hot-Rodicus (spoiler alert: it has horrible animation): "When evil doers arise, we are here to save the day!" Was this written by AI? No, seriously, was this written by robots?!
It’s not that a new world can’t be made, it’s that they need to put effort into a new world.
And it’s clear that they didn’t put any effort into Zombosseum.
Why do the imps on the Roman Zomboss stand so perfectly still? The entire front half is just a jpeg floating around the screen.
Actually, the entire zomboss is awful. Basically zero animation, even the revving is just a static effect applied to the wheels. It looks like the team finished the idle animation and then was told by management: "You get 3 hours to finish the rest."
I'm pretty bummed that they won't add a new world. Back when new worlds were announced I was so excited about it and I tried to get as much information about the world before it came out. But I guess when you add a leveling system to a tower defense game there's no going back.
Alright, I have a few ideas on how to do the zombies in Rome:
Shield Zombie, they spawn both types in the same row, make them like excavator and umbrella but the up one can block for other zombies as well.
A spearzombie that has reach and does not trigger on eat effects, tends to spawn with shields.
Medusa should just upgrade zombies to brickheads.
To complement this, add a disco like zombie that summons peasants for the army.
Just make the priest heal normally.
I don’t like the ballista so say bye.
No clue for zomboss.
Also final waves spawn an entire row of shields.
Tbh I like romes music the maps perfectly fine and the mowers are pretty chill tbh
The zombies just need reworking and also isn't there a zombie that throws caeser salad bottles that turns plants into salads in the same manner octo zombie traps plants in octopuses been awhile since I played but all around I find rome pretty cool just needs someone competent to fix it thats all
the only world ive ever really wanted to see was moon landings. like just picture dave begining to choke during the first cutscene, only to then be informed by penny that theyre actually on a set in hollywood, california. cmon dont tell me thats not perfectly in line with pvz humor
Hey, just wanted to say, great work on the content man. I do have a question though, can you make a video on the basics of how to make a PVZ2 mod, or can someone share me a link to a video on how to? I want to try my hand at one, and think it would be fun, but I have no idea how to and some help would be greatly apprecated.
There's a channel called pvz2 modding tutorials
The leveled plant is because they know those plants deal no damage and ain't worth it at lv 1
Didn't expected WhisperJas appear on this video
don't worry about slow upload rate it just means or at least implies the expectation that the video is higher quality like look at john tron uploads once a year at best and his content never gets old.
The Rome lawn is just the AE one but recolored and with the contrast raised.
I think the biggest problem is the gimmick concept. The zombies would have to be around that concept and could work, but then they would also have to incorporate new plants that would bring counters to them, which would be world inspired. If they can't even do the zombies right then idk how the plants would look
The mowers are more accurate than you’d think. In my experience goats are just really goofy looking lawnmowers
BTW 6:30 the lawn mower is a wheeled plow which was used by farmers in the medieval times. Usually pulled by cows but I imagine children were used as well.
Its a zombosseum, which means it's an arena, why tf would it have grass in the arena?
Funfact: this isn't Zombosseum. It's Zombosseum II which was released in times where PvZ 2 level designers begin to think pre-placed plants, fixed levels and preset sunbank is good (which is not).
> "Rome shouldn't be a world!"
> Reasons?
> "The world is unpolished!"
It's an event world. Sorry that they didn't put the time and effort in to make Rome a full-scale world when it would be around for short periods of time.
Medusa zombie has another niche ability that I found, immunity to shrinking violet
Yep. It's virtually every magic plant though, not just Shrinking Violet. She's also immune to poison, stun and Primal Pea's knockback.
Witch Hazel can target her, but she'll only do damage instead of transforming into a mushroom.
i hope that if some mod ever makes rome a world whisperjas or peamix does the music
Idk what you mean by "you don't casually run caulipower", it's my most used plant and seeing healer in a level just makes me unable to use it
Make Zombosuem a world to do list:
Change the Mowers to mini chariots
Change Cone and Bucket heads to helmut heads
Add PVZ 1 exclusive plants and premium plants as unlockable plants in this world
Add New mechanic (perhaps Bamboo Shoots aswell)
Turn Medusa Zombie into a reskin of a Wizard Zombie that turn plants into stone instead of a zombie pushing a stone zombie
Rework and redesign the Zomboss to be another unique Zomboss fight
New Chariot Zombie that Charge
Even more new zombies
New soundtrack for world
Make overhead shield zombie actually deflect overhead attacks (like catapult attacks)
I'm out of ideas write yours in the replies
Glad you talked about this. The levels were extremely boring to play and the zomboss was horrible
Nice video sir
6:41 well yes I’m confident that it IS a joke the joke being goats seemingly eat anything in this situation including Zombies
But yes I agree
romans used them to cut grass
I feel like you can still do something with the general ideas of the zombies in rome. For example making the zombies that hold the sheilds above their head bounce all projects away in a 3 by 1 area would actually be interesting as it can protect zombies like healer if it is placed in front of the healer. Maybe could increase the armor and health on the guy so it protects healer and makes him more deadly. Medusa zombie could work if it could turn any zombie except gargs into stone and depending on the hp is how much armor it has for the stone so medusa could push a deadly zombie far into you lawn if you don't stop her. I don't know about the rest though.
I feel like this video fails to neglect the main reason why Roman specials don’t really work in their own world and don't synergize with each other: It's because they were very clearly built with Arena and Penny’s Pursuit in mind, NOT normal gameplay. Healer not being able to heal armor? It doesn’t matter in those modes, because you’re more likely to run into a Zombie that DOESN’T have armor over a Zombie with armor. Medusa basically being a silver bullet for minion/hypnosis decks? Well, Zoybean, Turkey-pult, and Caulipower are all super popular picks in those modes, so having a tanky card that counters them makes sense. Roman Shield just being a powercrept Camel Zombie? Arena/PP are modes built around powercrept Plants, so PopCap likely wanted to power creep one of the weakest Zombies to hold its own in those modes. And Zcorpion being so unbalanced? It needs to be unbalanced in modes dominated by unbalanced leveling and OP seediums.
Contrast the Roman specials with the Backyard Big Top Zombies. These guys were designed with somewhat normal levels in mind, and as such, they synergize with each other pretty well. A lot of them share a unified theme of trying to get Zombies as far into your backlines as humanly possible. Both the normal Carnie Imp and the Carine Imp Twins benefit from being launched deeper into your backlines, which can be accomplished further thanks to Magician’s teleport ability. Magician’s Dove ability and Firebreather eviscerate your front lines and walls, allowing tankier Zombies (Most notably Grinderhead, which benefits from being defeated closer to your house) to sneak further in. And Stiltwalker is a damage sponge who’s ability drops him dead in the center of your defenses, giving the other specials a bit of extra time to use their abilities and get more Zombies into the backlines.
Very true
Yet another creeps video. Aight, time to grab the popcorn and enjoy!
Have you been playing grind thousand recently, I'd love to see a video from you about tips and tricks
Modders of alterverz, original, absolution, reflourished and shuttle: are you challenging me
I… I read ”Rome can’t be WORD”, and when i clicked on this, I thought it was going to be some zany video about Latin etymology, that somehow connects to the zombyzeum. This is cool too, just not at all what I was expecting.
Loved the collab! Remade zombotany for AE is one of my favorites tracks in ANY game
My take on reworking Medusa's ability is to turn plants near itself to marble instead of the zombies and marble will act like octopi and when you destroy it get the plant back and it can push the marble and crush your plants
I was wondering if you were going to cover backyard big top
It legit took me a solid minute to realize that the Zomboss animation wasn't edited in and that's how it actually looks like xD
guest was amazing
The headspace music from omori at 11:32 felt like a splash of cold water once I heard it
"How often do you think about the Roman empire?"
i have a question for whisperjas, they mentioned they make things in the pvz2 style, does pvz2 use a soundfont? i like to play around with those but its hard to find games in the modern day that use them and i was wondering if pvz2 does, since ive been a fan of pvz2 music for quite a while now.
it doesnt !! it's a combination of a LOT of vst plugins, mainly XPAND!2 and stormdrum
@@whisperjasyou French?
@@whisperjas oh. is there a database somewhere with all the plugins that pvz2 uses? and do you know if they work with fl studio?
is there somewhere to find where all the vsts are? like a database or something?@@whisperjas