The Empire would’ve fell into a civil war sooner or later, with or without the rebellion. But it’ll be interesting to see how this one turns out with Vader and Palps still alive during it.
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch, especially since if you look outside of "who is stronger in a fight, Vader or Sidious" and look at other skills, talents, and connections, there is a potential case to be made for either side winning, and it all depends to an extent on circumstances like when it happens.
Ularan: "But... you're supposed to be impatient! You were supposed to counterattack! Like you did in the Clone Wars!" Vader: "That's one part of Anakin I'm not conflicted about losing."
I like that Thrawn and Vader teamed up, they’re of my favorite characters in all of star wars, and they have way more in common than you’d think at first glance
Ahhhh, now this was a great one. I always love these stories where the empire reforms into something greater than the utter trainwreck it was under Sheev and Tarkin's "leadership". Even more so when it has wholesome leaning resolutions to Vader's story.
This is an excellent what-if Star Wars fanfiction, Mr. Pente Patrol. Darth Vader started an Imperial Civil War, which we never get to see in Star Wars fanfiction stories, but having the Galactic Empire reforming into the New Empire is something I never expected a significant change having the Galactic Empire reform instead of being replaced by the New Galactic Republic. This is a great story, my friend. Keep up the great work, and no matter what happens or what anybody says, you make the best stories in the SW fanfiction community. I really mean it. May the Force Be With You!
Loved this. After your What if Anakin Started a Jedi Civil War, I knew this would be a treat. I could tell in your voice you had a lot fun making this. Anakin/Vader have interesting growth in both stories. Can't wait for the next one PPSW
THIS, this is what the Empire was meant to be, a strong but just fist, one that brings order, one for wich Thrawn, Veers, Pellaeon and so many heroes fought for, one that even Anakin would be proud to fight for. For this people, soldiers, generals, parents, siblings, friends, people who had a dream, a dream that the Galaxy would finally be unified under one force, that brings justice, order, prosperity and security, under an EMPIRE. For these people and their dream are the reason that I am not ashamed to say: LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
Oh no, the Empire was never meant to be that. That's what it was believed to be, what it should have been, but it was all Palpatine's pet project for power. That's all it was, and all it amounted to be.
@@jessicaberry5596well many channels have pointed alongside eckhart L have made the comment that had Thrawn won against the New Republic in Zahn's trilogy that Thrawn would have created the Imperial Galactic Federation. Seeing how he hated the elements of the empire that were against non-humans and that the New Republic was repeating the same mistakes of the previous Old Republic & the Jedi. The New Republic still had a lot problems with a decentralized government and the old wounds from the outer colonies that initially started the Clone Wars against the Core planets still existed. Look at how the same rivalries and corruption existed in the Halo universe when colonies from both the outer & inner planets fought each other. Thrawn's vision for a reformed yet strong Imperial empire was the best option to closely unite the galaxy against the Unknown Threats akin to how Jon Snow in GoT tried to mend the wars in Westeros to face the greater threat.
@@SolidAvenger1290thrawn was a pseud and wasn’t much better than the other demagogues he replaced. He had the same insane plans palpatine had with ensuring his eternal life and crazy weapons projects (but they weren’t big super weapons so it was ok even though they were equally draining on the imperial economy and could be destroyed in one attack in the same manner) and was just better at doing battle than any of them. Citing EL as an authority on Star Wars lore is crazy considering he doesn’t even know the difference between a Ray shield and a particle shield
" The Empire has only one chance to prosper, if you will not seize it then *I will* ! And if I cannot save it from your failure then let the galaxy *burn* "
What if Revan wasn't found in stasis until the first year of the clone wars? That would mean that Revan in his prime would be alive and well, and Darth Vitiate's spirit would still be dormant since Revan didn't awake his spirit at Yavin.
I've been wanting this from a What If channel for so long, thanks for making this. Well, however the civil war goes, whoever is on which side (assuming it's only two), whoever wins, it's going to be a ride and a half. Edit post watching: Definitely one of your best videos, and one of your most original stories too, awesome work Pente Patrol.
1. What if Sabine stayed loyal to the Empire and was offered a place in Thrawn’s inner circle? 2. What if Jyn Erso was an imperial agent (doesn’t defect)? 3. What if Doctor Aphra and Darth Vader fell in love? 4. What if Hera was starkillers pilot? 5. What if Cham Syndulla freed Anakin from slavery and adopted him?
1. She was horrified by her actions, the most that route would go is suicide. 2. When was she ever an Imperial Agent? She would be used as a hostage and leverage for her father to finish the Death Star, that's it. 3. Cringe 4. Again, when would that have ever happened? Hera was a rebel since she was a teen, my guy. 5. How? Like genuinely, this is probably the most bizarre one. 6. Come up with better What Ifs
Palpatine was a behind the scenes manipulator that relied on strong henchmen to fight his battles for him, Anakin/Vader has spent his entire adult life as a warrior on the battlefield. Vader and his faction claps Sidious, admittedly after some initial setbacks.
Day 66 of asking for one of these ideas. 1. What if Jyn Erso survived and went onto fall in love with Luke Skywalker? 2. What if The Sith returned during the High Republic era? 3. What if cal and Merrin had a daughter? 4. What if Bo-Katan and Din Djaran fell in love? 5. What if the Jedi didn't forbit attachments? 6. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the galactic civil war? 7. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the First Order-Resistance war? 8. What if Kylo Ren never destroyed Luke's Jedi order? 9: what if Omega was force sensitive?
I want a part 2 of this, this was amazing. i want to see how the seperate jedi sects act and the glory of this reborn empire. not shure who you would make the enemy though. Maybe and intergalactic Sith order.
1. What If Ezra Bridger stole Jabba the Hutt's identity and took over his criminal empire? (aka What If Ezra WAS Jabba) 2. What If Luke and Ahsoka met during the Original Trilogy? 3. What If Din Djarin kept the Darksaber and became the new leader of the Mandalorians? What If Galen Marrek/Starkiller was Canon - 4. What If Galen Marrek Joined the Rebellion - 5. What If Starkiller was an Inquisitor 6. What If Thrawn joined/led the First Order? 7. What If Darth Plagueis was the true Big Bad of the Sequel Trilogy, not Palpatine? 8. What If Rey and Ben Solo switched roles? (Ben Solo never turns to the Dark Side and never becomes Kylo Ren, but Rey becomes Snoke's dark apprentice or is raised by Palpatine and becomes his dark heir) 9. What If Luke went to Jakku, found little Rey, and adopted her and raised her? (aka What If Luke RAISED Rey) 10. What If Ben Solo survived at the end of Episode IX? 11. What If the New Republic didn't fall and aided the Resistance against the First Order? 12. What If Luke's Jedi students survived and joined the fight against the First Order? What If the Yuuzhan Vong invaded during.... - 13. What If the YV invaded during the Clone Wars? - 14. What If the YV invaded during the Galactic Civil War? - 15. What If the YV invaded during the First Order-Resistance War? And finally... 16. What If Jar Jar was a Jedi?
Def one of my favorite what ifs so far just pure good I liked tht vador didn’t all at once become good again but his hate for slavery was what started his path
I was chilling in history today, and then i heard something very familiar. It's called the Anaconda plan. It was used by the Union in the american Civil War. What a cool reference.
Surprisingly this is probably one of if not the best overall outcome of star wars what if involving the empire and its time. The empire being what it should have been, and not getting replaced by the same crap that allowed its original form to be a thing
I am seeing SOOOOO many US Civil War references here. Battle of Vondar seems so much like Gettysburg. A hard fought 3 day battle with massive casualties on both sides with a defense that was forced to fall back on day 1 and a flanking attack that was fought off the on the second at high cost and finally a frontal attack on the third day where the attacking general apologized to his men for the failure of the attack and plan… and then a long siege is immediately won a day later. It’s just Gettysburg and Vicksburg. Then the Anacondan plan is just the Anaconda Plan in name that the Union used to blockade the south… but the actual details are all Sherman’s Total War/March to the Sea style of warfare. Oh, and the whole issue of slavery leading to the outbreak. (Edit) (See’s ending talk) I KNEW IT! I’m so happy to see those homages were 100% deliberate. I really love this story, one of my favorites. I love military sci-fi and Empire at War and seeing all the homages to them were great. And the homages to real military history, especially American Civil War history for a Civil War History Buff like me was great.
Ahaha I'm so glad you caught those! It was so much fun trying to figure out who each Union General would be loll. Veers as Joshua Chamberlain & Krennic as W.T. Sherman lmaoo. But I'm happy the end segment confirmed those for you! XDD
This video is good man. You should do more space battle game for the background for the space, flights and in your videos but if it's too much you don't have to worry about it
Maybe a variation of this with the literal minute after Palpatine declares the empire the whole galaxy sets on fire. Just chaos human sacrifice, loth-wolfs and loth-cats living together, mass hysteria!
If Darth Vader had initiated an Imperial Civil War during the reign of the Galactic Empire, it would have had profound and far-reaching consequences for the galaxy. Here’s a speculative breakdown of what could have happened: ### 1. **Motivation and Initiation** - **Motivation:** Vader might have been motivated by a desire to overthrow Emperor Palpatine, either to seize power for himself or because he believed the Emperor's rule was detrimental to the galaxy (perhaps influenced by a lingering connection to his former self, Anakin Skywalker). - **Initiation:** Vader could have started by rallying discontented factions within the Empire, such as certain high-ranking military officers, disillusioned Sith, or other dark side users who might see an opportunity for power. ### 2. **The Fracturing of the Empire** - **Loyalists vs. Rebels:** The Empire would split into factions loyal to Palpatine and those who sided with Vader. This schism would likely result in a series of brutal battles, as both sides vied for control of the Imperial fleet and key planets. - **Regional Governors:** Many regional governors and Moffs might choose sides based on their own ambitions, potentially leading to a fragmented Empire where different parts of the galaxy come under the control of warlords or local leaders. ### 3. **Impact on the Galactic Civil War** - **The Rebel Alliance:** The chaos within the Empire would provide a significant advantage to the Rebel Alliance. They might exploit the infighting to launch major offensives, liberating planets, and gaining more allies. - **Strategic Opportunities:** With the Empire’s forces divided, the Rebels could strike at weakened Imperial positions, further destabilizing the already fractured government. ### 4. **Palpatine's Response** - **The Emperor’s Tactics:** Palpatine would likely use his mastery of manipulation to turn the conflict to his advantage, possibly pitting his enemies against each other. He might also attempt to draw out Vader’s weaknesses, such as his connection to his children, Luke and Leia, to undermine his position. - **Superweapons:** The Emperor might deploy superweapons like the Death Star or new Sith apprentices to crush Vader’s rebellion and reassert control. ### 5. **Vader’s Leadership** - **Strengths and Weaknesses:** As a military commander and Sith Lord, Vader is formidable, but his leadership style is harsh and driven by fear. This could lead to high initial success but eventually cause internal dissent among his followers. - **Redemption Arc:** Depending on how much of Anakin Skywalker remains within him, Vader might struggle with his darker impulses, potentially leading to an internal conflict that could either strengthen or weaken his position. ### 6. **Outcome Scenarios** - **Vader's Victory:** If Vader were to successfully overthrow Palpatine, he might establish a new Sith-controlled Empire with himself as the Emperor. However, his rule could be just as tyrannical, or perhaps he could be redeemed, leading to a reformed Empire with less oppression. - **Palpatine's Retaliation:** On the other hand, Palpatine could quash Vader’s rebellion, possibly by revealing a more powerful apprentice or weapon, leading to Vader’s demise and a strengthened Imperial grip on the galaxy. - **Mutual Destruction:** Another possibility is that the conflict could so severely weaken the Empire that both Vader and Palpatine are killed, leading to the collapse of Imperial authority and the rise of a power vacuum, with various factions and the Rebel Alliance competing for control. ### 7. **Long-Term Effects** - **Galactic Power Structure:** The Imperial Civil War could lead to a fragmented galaxy with multiple competing powers, including remnants of the Empire, independent systems, and a possibly strengthened Rebel Alliance. - **The Jedi and the Force:** The conflict could also influence the fate of the Jedi and the Force-sensitive individuals in the galaxy, potentially leading to the rise of new Jedi or Sith factions, depending on how the conflict plays out. In summary, if Darth Vader had initiated an Imperial Civil War, it would have plunged the galaxy into even greater chaos, with unpredictable outcomes ranging from the rise of a new Sith Empire to the complete dissolution of Imperial control. The Rebel Alliance would have had a unique opportunity to capitalize on the situation, but the ultimate victor of such a conflict would depend on the strategies and decisions of the key players involved.
This has a lot of BRILLIANT military strategies and storylines. Honestly many of your stories are deserving of movies. This one in particular. It's very impressive, intriguing, interesting and would have been an absolute intense experience watching it unfold. It has main players, many main concepts of Star Wars and well conceived! What great redemption for Anakin, and a beautiful ending for the Skywalkers. What a great movie this would have made...Kudos!!! ❤
Vader in both Legends and Canon had learned about canon. Both I believe early on in their careers, it just felt odd as hell in either timeline that Vader never truly acted against Palpatine on the issue of slavery in the empire. It's nice to see what if's where Anakin takes the issue head on in various different scenario's such as these.
I loved SO MUCH this history Not because of tue finale, but in yur Midway, The battles were perfect written, history based on real battles You should do more stories like this, long, epic and logic battles Thanks for the video!
Ok here's the best compliment I can give a story teller like you, I 1st discovered your channel. thinking these will be good bedtime stories. You are MasakoX the 2nd. Uou sir are too good of a story teller I can't sleep to your stories. Keep up with your work I wish Disney didn't kill the franchise but you sir too me keeps the force and the story truly alive.
What if Ahsoka Tano trained Gungi on Lothal after ROTJ? What if Gungi trained Grogu with GM Luke and Ben Solo on Ossus? What if Jaro Tapal survived Order 66 with Cal Kestis and escaped Bracca?
In a surprise post credit scene in general Thron was on the edge of known space with a fully functioning death star and 5000 star destroyers waiting for an intergalactic invasion fleet
I'm sure many, myself included have imagined this what if for some time. More specifically since 2008 I've imagined how an Imperial "Operation Valkryie" would look. Think of it, a coup where officers assassinate the Emperor, then pin it on the Inquisitorious as well as the ruling council, removing the Dark Side from the Empire.
I honestly hope Vader's catalyst is learning the death of Luke and seeing the tombstone of his and Padme's child is what breaks him and made him believe Palpatine's empire has to go.
Perhaps you could do a video on what would happen if the Yuuzhan Vong invaded in the middle of the Clone Wars? That would certainly be interesting - potentially having the CIS and Republic calling at least a temporary truce to fight against a more prevalent and common enemy. Plus, considering how much the Yuuzhan Vong hate droids, seeing them face off against trillions of CIS battle droids would certainly be intriguing, to say the least.
What if Kanan and Ezra actually saved Luminara? Before anyone says anything about how strict Luminara was, I would like to see an alternate universe where she comes to realize how her strict training alienated Barriss from her and decides to make up for her mistake by helping the Rebels!
It was pretty interesting how things were different from the start just by grace of this being an inner conflict unlike with the Rebellion, and how it changed so many lives both for the better and the worse. Yularen vs Vader was something I've never even considered, but I honestly think it's one of the best things to ever come out of the What Ifs. Seeing Saw Guerrera of all people here was unexpected but surprisingly enjoyable, honestly the Rebirth had quite the interesting ensemble of people as it's leaders. Good to see Anakin got his kids back and that they got to enjoy life outside the Jedi-Sith conflict. Wow, that's a lot of different Jedi Orders, I kinda wish we got to see a bit more of that (also jay! Kanan survives here. Probably Cere too, so that's great), but who knows, maybe in another AU. What if, instead of once then never again, Obi Wan, and later on Anakin (and Ahsoka too if you want), used Force Speed at every single chance he thought it would be useful?
Read a fanfic going this direction. Except vader assassinated palps and vader legally takes over. Then has to consolidate his power by negotiating with the various moffs and thrawn.
This scenario has the makings similar to the Goldenbaum Civil War arc of Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Vader and Thrawn looking like Reinhard and Kircheis.
Aye Pente been watching you for about a year and a half now finally got a TH-cam account. Got some what if ideas if you’d like to take them. 1: What if Ezra killed thrawn or never got sent to the other galaxy with him. 2: What if the super tactical droid from the rebels episode the last battle (kalani) joined the rebel alliance or more specifically the ghost crew. 3: What if Dooku formed the cis but stayed a Jedi (still leaving the order of course) 4: What if mother Tounsan showed Grevious who really was responsible for his ship crash and what happened to his body. 5: What if a new cis formed in the wake of the new republics collapse in the force awakens to combat the first order. 6: What if the new republic wasn’t stupid and had a proper military and response to the first orders rise in the sequels. (Since you know they had to fight the empire for how many years and now thrawns reborn empire)
I'm glad you enjoyed! And yes, I didn't realize until I uploaded it, that I never mentioned the Death Star. Since this war really kicks off between 8-4 BBY, I think the Authority would've been more focused on flagships, since the DS would only encourage others to join Rebirth. But definitely should've been mentioned, which is my bad!
I like the detail that there is more than one Jedi Order that rises in the aftermath. The Lothal Jedi, the Night Jedi*, the Old Jedi (Yoda and Obi-Wan), the Unaligned (Anakin). (* There was a non-fic plotbunny post on AO3 about the Mantis Crew time travelling and Cal and Merrin picking up Shmi and Anakin before Naboo happened. The general idea is Cal trains Anakin, Merrin trains Shmi as a Nightsister, they visit Dathomir and claim Savage a Feral, with the former being more inclined to the Darkker side while the latter more to the Lighter, and in the aftermath of Naboo, end up finding and taking Maul under their protection, and basically knock about the galaxy making up a mix of Jedi, Nightsister, and just a shade of Sith ideologies into their own thing and eventually running into Obi-Wan and drawing him into their little group too. I made a comment on the plotbunny saying I want to think of them taking the name "Night Jedi" and that they become agents of Controlled Chaos and Balance.)
If the Imperial Rebirth was in the outer Rim and had Sullust as the Capital, that means they would have SoroSuub shipyards, Eriadu's shipyards, and Sulis Vann's shipyards to be producing ships and designs. Plus, they likely would have the Mon Cal shipyards if they were spread that far into the North Eastern portions of the galaxy. Even without the Mon Cal shipyards, they had the other three major shipyards. The Rebirth should have been pumping out Quasar Fire class carriers, Liberator Class Cruisers, Dauntless Class Heavy Cruisers, and Bulwark Mk IIIs. Those are all SoroSuub designs and extremely effective ships. It would have distinctivly separated the factions and given the Rebirth more options.
The Rebels to each other: “Want some popcorn?”
Lol
Rofl. Yoda: "Rule of Two they say. Stronger than us the say. Bitches slitting each other's throat, they are. More Dagobah Green I need."
The Empire would’ve fell into a civil war sooner or later, with or without the rebellion. But it’ll be interesting to see how this one turns out with Vader and Palps still alive during it.
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch, especially since if you look outside of "who is stronger in a fight, Vader or Sidious" and look at other skills, talents, and connections, there is a potential case to be made for either side winning, and it all depends to an extent on circumstances like when it happens.
I haven’t finished watching but I would assume the emperor side would have fought a war on two fronts the rebellion and Vader side of empire
This the sort of thing I want to see. Real Dathomir Arc.
Ularan: "But... you're supposed to be impatient! You were supposed to counterattack! Like you did in the Clone Wars!"
Vader: "That's one part of Anakin I'm not conflicted about losing."
*Insert bs Kylo Ren quote*
alternate title: What if Darth vader pulled a Horus Heresy. Lol
whats a horus
@@_Storch_ Warhammer 40k
LOL, so accurate.
Why not use the golden armada theme XD ;)
Nah. Horus was completely selfish and corrupt in his motivations.
Using EAW for battle visuals is a great idea, I'd love to see more of it.
Definitely please do this more
Agreed, I'd love to see that get used more.
I turned my phone and saw it and thought it was amazing
Awesome! I'm glad you all liked that, I gotcha!
Vader: It's nice to meet you
Senator: Sir, with all due respect, this is the most terrifying moment of my life.
Vader: good because your one of the few I respect who have your role now then allow me to show you why you should fear me starting with my thesis
I like that Thrawn and Vader teamed up, they’re of my favorite characters in all of star wars, and they have way more in common than you’d think at first glance
Finally! An “Operation Valkyrie” storyline! “I’ve been looking forward to this”
As have I.
One of your best pieces of work. Fleshed out battles , several admiral personalities providing separate battles, and believable character choices.
I'm glad you enjoyed!
I'd love to see a sequel of this story involving this reformed empire fighting off the Yuuzhan Vong invasion!
Yeah, like a Star Wars "What if"
Ahhhh, now this was a great one.
I always love these stories where the empire reforms into something greater than the utter trainwreck it was under Sheev and Tarkin's "leadership".
Even more so when it has wholesome leaning resolutions to Vader's story.
This was very much one of the best What If stories out there among all the Star Wars What If channels.
I'm so glad you enjoyed!
This is an excellent what-if Star Wars fanfiction, Mr. Pente Patrol. Darth Vader started an Imperial Civil War, which we never get to see in Star Wars fanfiction stories, but having the Galactic Empire reforming into the New Empire is something I never expected a significant change having the Galactic Empire reform instead of being replaced by the New Galactic Republic. This is a great story, my friend. Keep up the great work, and no matter what happens or what anybody says, you make the best stories in the SW fanfiction community. I really mean it. May the Force Be With You!
Thank you so much, I'm so glad you enjoyed!! It was such a fun story to write, so I'm happy you guys had just as much fun watching!
Loved this. After your What if Anakin Started a Jedi Civil War, I knew this would be a treat. I could tell in your voice you had a lot fun making this. Anakin/Vader have interesting growth in both stories.
Can't wait for the next one PPSW
He already did that one
@@Somethingfs-sx1ft I know, just saying like both. The Jedi Civil War is my 2nd favorite PPSW What ifs.
I'm so glad you enjoyed both!
THIS, this is what the Empire was meant to be, a strong but just fist, one that brings order, one for wich Thrawn, Veers, Pellaeon and so many heroes fought for, one that even Anakin would be proud to fight for.
For this people, soldiers, generals, parents, siblings, friends, people who had a dream, a dream that the Galaxy would finally be unified under one force, that brings justice, order, prosperity and security, under an EMPIRE.
For these people and their dream are the reason that I am not ashamed to say: LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
Oh no, the Empire was never meant to be that. That's what it was believed to be, what it should have been, but it was all Palpatine's pet project for power. That's all it was, and all it amounted to be.
@@jessicaberry5596And only a fool or a closet goose stepper would believe otherwise.
@@jessicaberry5596well many channels have pointed alongside eckhart L have made the comment that had Thrawn won against the New Republic in Zahn's trilogy that Thrawn would have created the Imperial Galactic Federation.
Seeing how he hated the elements of the empire that were against non-humans and that the New Republic was repeating the same mistakes of the previous Old Republic & the Jedi.
The New Republic still had a lot problems with a decentralized government and the old wounds from the outer colonies that initially started the Clone Wars against the Core planets still existed.
Look at how the same rivalries and corruption existed in the Halo universe when colonies from both the outer & inner planets fought each other.
Thrawn's vision for a reformed yet strong Imperial empire was the best option to closely unite the galaxy against the Unknown Threats akin to how Jon Snow in GoT tried to mend the wars in Westeros to face the greater threat.
@@SolidAvenger1290thrawn was a pseud and wasn’t much better than the other demagogues he replaced. He had the same insane plans palpatine had with ensuring his eternal life and crazy weapons projects (but they weren’t big super weapons so it was ok even though they were equally draining on the imperial economy and could be destroyed in one attack in the same manner) and was just better at doing battle than any of them. Citing EL as an authority on Star Wars lore is crazy considering he doesn’t even know the difference between a Ray shield and a particle shield
This empire would be an empire of which not a single sun in the whole galaxy could ever set.
" The Empire has only one chance to prosper, if you will not seize it then *I will* ! And if I cannot save it from your failure then let the galaxy *burn* "
The Vader Heresy
What if Revan wasn't found in stasis until the first year of the clone wars? That would mean that Revan in his prime would be alive and well, and Darth Vitiate's spirit would still be dormant since Revan didn't awake his spirit at Yavin.
I like this, that would make for a good story
Would be nice
And then Palpatine FAFOs.
A *lot* of people would be fucked
I liked this especially the end when Anakin found out about his kids
@dianesinger9729 Yeah, This really best parth when Anakin found out about his kids in this story.
@@marikam2998 agreed
Thrawn and Vader duo is something I didn't know I wanted, but know I know I need!
I've been wanting this from a What If channel for so long, thanks for making this.
Well, however the civil war goes, whoever is on which side (assuming it's only two), whoever wins, it's going to be a ride and a half.
Edit post watching: Definitely one of your best videos, and one of your most original stories too, awesome work Pente Patrol.
I'm so glad you enjoyed!
1. What if Sabine stayed loyal to the Empire and was offered a place in Thrawn’s inner circle?
2. What if Jyn Erso was an imperial agent (doesn’t defect)?
3. What if Doctor Aphra and Darth Vader fell in love?
4. What if Hera was starkillers pilot?
5. What if Cham Syndulla freed Anakin from slavery and adopted him?
1. She was horrified by her actions, the most that route would go is suicide.
2. When was she ever an Imperial Agent? She would be used as a hostage and leverage for her father to finish the Death Star, that's it.
3. Cringe
4. Again, when would that have ever happened? Hera was a rebel since she was a teen, my guy.
5. How? Like genuinely, this is probably the most bizarre one.
6. Come up with better What Ifs
@@nagger8216damn bro is mad someone asked some what ifs xd
@@anthonymazzeo6123he’s mad because he didn’t think of them himself.
Number three would never happen he probably still visits Padmes grave every now and then
@@nagger8216 1. Who asked?
2. Who asked?
3. Who asked?
4. Who asked?
5. Who asked?
6. Grow up, also who asked?
Please keep using the mod, it really helps with the space battle parts. It could be good to also find a game and mod for ground battles.
Do you know which mod it is by any chance?
@@ZearzySZN I don't, I've just seen it be used in videos.
@@ZearzySZNit’s the Empire at War Remake Mod.
@@ZearzySZNIt’s the Star Wars Empire At War Remake Mod.
Will do!!
What if Obi-Wan and Satine's marriage was a treaty between the mandalorians and the jedi?
Palpatine was a behind the scenes manipulator that relied on strong henchmen to fight his battles for him, Anakin/Vader has spent his entire adult life as a warrior on the battlefield.
Vader and his faction claps Sidious, admittedly after some initial setbacks.
Genuinely one of the best what ifs you ever made. Amazing story my friend
I'm glad you enjoyed!!
Day 66 of asking for one of these ideas.
1. What if Jyn Erso survived and went onto fall in love with Luke Skywalker?
2. What if The Sith returned during the High Republic era?
3. What if cal and Merrin had a daughter?
4. What if Bo-Katan and Din Djaran fell in love?
5. What if the Jedi didn't forbit attachments?
6. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the galactic civil war?
7. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the First Order-Resistance war?
8. What if Kylo Ren never destroyed Luke's Jedi order?
9: what if Omega was force sensitive?
Or what if the vong invaded in the clone wars?
@@mattvaughn8822 yeah could also be fun.
I see you've executed a particular order.
I'm pretty sure Omega is force sensitive
We NEED NO.7
50:40 OMG PENTE PATROL HISTORY REFERENCE
The Vader Heresy.
Absolutely love that you’ve added Empire at war for the space battles in your stories now! Absolutely awesome story by the way, keep it up!
Awesome! So glad you liked that, and I'm happy you enjoyed the story!
saw thrawn on vader side and instantly knew who's gonna win.
*sees empire at war footage*
ah, i see your man of culture
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Exceptionally well written and presented. You have successfully laid the foundations of a screenplay for a great movie.
Pente this was easily in the top 5 of your best vids.
I'm glad you enjoyed!!
I want a part 2 of this, this was amazing. i want to see how the seperate jedi sects act and the glory of this reborn empire. not shure who you would make the enemy though. Maybe and intergalactic Sith order.
This story will always have a special place in my heart. Thank you for making this story
1. What If Ezra Bridger stole Jabba the Hutt's identity and took over his criminal empire? (aka What If Ezra WAS Jabba)
2. What If Luke and Ahsoka met during the Original Trilogy?
3. What If Din Djarin kept the Darksaber and became the new leader of the Mandalorians?
What If Galen Marrek/Starkiller was Canon
- 4. What If Galen Marrek Joined the Rebellion
- 5. What If Starkiller was an Inquisitor
6. What If Thrawn joined/led the First Order?
7. What If Darth Plagueis was the true Big Bad of the Sequel Trilogy, not Palpatine?
8. What If Rey and Ben Solo switched roles? (Ben Solo never turns to the Dark Side and never becomes Kylo Ren, but Rey becomes Snoke's dark apprentice or is raised by Palpatine and becomes his dark heir)
9. What If Luke went to Jakku, found little Rey, and adopted her and raised her? (aka What If Luke RAISED Rey)
10. What If Ben Solo survived at the end of Episode IX?
11. What If the New Republic didn't fall and aided the Resistance against the First Order?
12. What If Luke's Jedi students survived and joined the fight against the First Order?
What If the Yuuzhan Vong invaded during....
- 13. What If the YV invaded during the Clone Wars?
- 14. What If the YV invaded during the Galactic Civil War?
- 15. What If the YV invaded during the First Order-Resistance War?
And finally...
16. What If Jar Jar was a Jedi?
Regarding 1. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW
As to #one... Ezra let himself go (original trilogy original cut Jabba in a new hope)
The use of the video game is very nice to visualize the story.
Had to make another Comment, rewatch it again and It was still well written and a great watch/listen.
Great Job Pente Patrol!
What is Anakin disappeared during the third year of the clone wars and reappeared two years after order 66 and saves padmes children “ Luke and Leia”
Def one of my favorite what ifs so far just pure good I liked tht vador didn’t all at once become good again but his hate for slavery was what started his path
What if the sequel trilogy was about Luke’s son from legends?
What if R2 D2 and Chopper cofounded/Droid rebellion against the empire?
I was chilling in history today, and then i heard something very familiar. It's called the Anaconda plan. It was used by the Union in the american Civil War. What a cool reference.
Surprisingly this is probably one of if not the best overall outcome of star wars what if involving the empire and its time. The empire being what it should have been, and not getting replaced by the same crap that allowed its original form to be a thing
I am seeing SOOOOO many US Civil War references here. Battle of Vondar seems so much like Gettysburg. A hard fought 3 day battle with massive casualties on both sides with a defense that was forced to fall back on day 1 and a flanking attack that was fought off the on the second at high cost and finally a frontal attack on the third day where the attacking general apologized to his men for the failure of the attack and plan… and then a long siege is immediately won a day later. It’s just Gettysburg and Vicksburg. Then the Anacondan plan is just the Anaconda Plan in name that the Union used to blockade the south… but the actual details are all Sherman’s Total War/March to the Sea style of warfare. Oh, and the whole issue of slavery leading to the outbreak.
(Edit)
(See’s ending talk)
I KNEW IT! I’m so happy to see those homages were 100% deliberate.
I really love this story, one of my favorites. I love military sci-fi and Empire at War and seeing all the homages to them were great. And the homages to real military history, especially American Civil War history for a Civil War History Buff like me was great.
Ahaha I'm so glad you caught those! It was so much fun trying to figure out who each Union General would be loll. Veers as Joshua Chamberlain & Krennic as W.T. Sherman lmaoo. But I'm happy the end segment confirmed those for you! XDD
This video is good man. You should do more space battle game for the background for the space, flights and in your videos but if it's too much you don't have to worry about it
Will do! Definitely looking for good places to add them in for coming stories! I'm glad you enjoyed!
Basically a Star Wars version of horus heresy.
An inverted Horus Heresy.
Maybe a variation of this with the literal minute after Palpatine declares the empire the whole galaxy sets on fire. Just chaos human sacrifice, loth-wolfs and loth-cats living together, mass hysteria!
What if General Grievous accidentally killed Palpatine during the kidnapping on Coruscant, not knowing that Palpatine was Sidious?
What if Darth Vader abandoned the Empire to become an intergalactic podracing champion?
What an excellent Video on What if Darth Vader Started an Imperial Civil War Pante Patrol Star Wars.
If Darth Vader had initiated an Imperial Civil War during the reign of the Galactic Empire, it would have had profound and far-reaching consequences for the galaxy. Here’s a speculative breakdown of what could have happened:
### 1. **Motivation and Initiation**
- **Motivation:** Vader might have been motivated by a desire to overthrow Emperor Palpatine, either to seize power for himself or because he believed the Emperor's rule was detrimental to the galaxy (perhaps influenced by a lingering connection to his former self, Anakin Skywalker).
- **Initiation:** Vader could have started by rallying discontented factions within the Empire, such as certain high-ranking military officers, disillusioned Sith, or other dark side users who might see an opportunity for power.
### 2. **The Fracturing of the Empire**
- **Loyalists vs. Rebels:** The Empire would split into factions loyal to Palpatine and those who sided with Vader. This schism would likely result in a series of brutal battles, as both sides vied for control of the Imperial fleet and key planets.
- **Regional Governors:** Many regional governors and Moffs might choose sides based on their own ambitions, potentially leading to a fragmented Empire where different parts of the galaxy come under the control of warlords or local leaders.
### 3. **Impact on the Galactic Civil War**
- **The Rebel Alliance:** The chaos within the Empire would provide a significant advantage to the Rebel Alliance. They might exploit the infighting to launch major offensives, liberating planets, and gaining more allies.
- **Strategic Opportunities:** With the Empire’s forces divided, the Rebels could strike at weakened Imperial positions, further destabilizing the already fractured government.
### 4. **Palpatine's Response**
- **The Emperor’s Tactics:** Palpatine would likely use his mastery of manipulation to turn the conflict to his advantage, possibly pitting his enemies against each other. He might also attempt to draw out Vader’s weaknesses, such as his connection to his children, Luke and Leia, to undermine his position.
- **Superweapons:** The Emperor might deploy superweapons like the Death Star or new Sith apprentices to crush Vader’s rebellion and reassert control.
### 5. **Vader’s Leadership**
- **Strengths and Weaknesses:** As a military commander and Sith Lord, Vader is formidable, but his leadership style is harsh and driven by fear. This could lead to high initial success but eventually cause internal dissent among his followers.
- **Redemption Arc:** Depending on how much of Anakin Skywalker remains within him, Vader might struggle with his darker impulses, potentially leading to an internal conflict that could either strengthen or weaken his position.
### 6. **Outcome Scenarios**
- **Vader's Victory:** If Vader were to successfully overthrow Palpatine, he might establish a new Sith-controlled Empire with himself as the Emperor. However, his rule could be just as tyrannical, or perhaps he could be redeemed, leading to a reformed Empire with less oppression.
- **Palpatine's Retaliation:** On the other hand, Palpatine could quash Vader’s rebellion, possibly by revealing a more powerful apprentice or weapon, leading to Vader’s demise and a strengthened Imperial grip on the galaxy.
- **Mutual Destruction:** Another possibility is that the conflict could so severely weaken the Empire that both Vader and Palpatine are killed, leading to the collapse of Imperial authority and the rise of a power vacuum, with various factions and the Rebel Alliance competing for control.
### 7. **Long-Term Effects**
- **Galactic Power Structure:** The Imperial Civil War could lead to a fragmented galaxy with multiple competing powers, including remnants of the Empire, independent systems, and a possibly strengthened Rebel Alliance.
- **The Jedi and the Force:** The conflict could also influence the fate of the Jedi and the Force-sensitive individuals in the galaxy, potentially leading to the rise of new Jedi or Sith factions, depending on how the conflict plays out.
In summary, if Darth Vader had initiated an Imperial Civil War, it would have plunged the galaxy into even greater chaos, with unpredictable outcomes ranging from the rise of a new Sith Empire to the complete dissolution of Imperial control. The Rebel Alliance would have had a unique opportunity to capitalize on the situation, but the ultimate victor of such a conflict would depend on the strategies and decisions of the key players involved.
One of the best or the best story i have seen so far man
This has a lot of BRILLIANT military strategies and storylines.
Honestly many of your stories are deserving of movies. This one in particular. It's very impressive, intriguing, interesting and would have been an absolute intense experience watching it unfold.
It has main players, many main concepts of Star Wars and well conceived!
What great redemption for Anakin, and a beautiful ending for the Skywalkers.
What a great movie this would have made...Kudos!!! ❤
This story was very fun to listen to, awesome!
Love the ending too, in the end Anakin did what the chosen one was meant to do.
I'm glad you enjoyed!
One of the greatest and funniest stories I ever heard in a while.
I'm so glad you enjoyed!
What if Jaina, Jacen and Anakin Solo were born in the Sequel Trilogy?
What if Ben Skywalker existed in the Sequel Trilogy?
Really enjoy how you write your space battles
I'm glad you enjoyed!
Vader in both Legends and Canon had learned about canon. Both I believe early on in their careers, it just felt odd as hell in either timeline that Vader never truly acted against Palpatine on the issue of slavery in the empire. It's nice to see what if's where Anakin takes the issue head on in various different scenario's such as these.
Lol I agree, it was super fun to write his reaction to learning such a horrid truth here!
Soo organa didn’t tell Vader about his kids… what a G
I loved SO MUCH this history
Not because of tue finale, but in yur Midway, The battles were perfect written, history based on real battles
You should do more stories like this, long, epic and logic battles
Thanks for the video!
Will do in the future, I'm glad you enjoyed!!
52 minutes? This is gonna be good
Was it 👀
you should follow this storyline up with the Yuhzon Vong invasion
Ok here's the best compliment I can give a story teller like you, I 1st discovered your channel. thinking these will be good bedtime stories. You are MasakoX the 2nd. Uou sir are too good of a story teller I can't sleep to your stories. Keep up with your work I wish Disney didn't kill the franchise but you sir too me keeps the force and the story truly alive.
Thank you so much, I truly appreciate it! But I'm so glad you enjoy these stories!
What if Ahsoka Tano trained Gungi on Lothal after ROTJ?
What if Gungi trained Grogu with GM Luke and Ben Solo on Ossus?
What if Jaro Tapal survived Order 66 with Cal Kestis and escaped Bracca?
Honestly, I think this was one of your best what ifs
I'm so glad you enjoyed!
In a surprise post credit scene in general Thron was on the edge of known space with a fully functioning death star and 5000 star destroyers waiting for an intergalactic invasion fleet
Interesting premise and video. I would of said an easy 9 out of 10 but then the massive noise spike at the end gave me a nice dose of adrenaline.
I'm glad you enjoyed! & yes gotta blast the outro lol
What if the empire build the star forge instead of Death Star
This guy is a great story teller why don't you make this episodes for audible?
I'm sure many, myself included have imagined this what if for some time. More specifically since 2008 I've imagined how an Imperial "Operation Valkryie" would look. Think of it, a coup where officers assassinate the Emperor, then pin it on the Inquisitorious as well as the ruling council, removing the Dark Side from the Empire.
Oh man! I been wondering this for awhile now, this’ll be Good!
Great story again! No doubt that this is a FAR MORE SUPERIOR sequel to Star Wars!
This is a really cool fan fic story. Just weird hearing normally evil people being less evil. Again I really enjoyed this story.
What a great story, really enjoyed it!
Although I understand why vader and sidious never fought like in the thumbnail i still wish it would have happened
Yoularin .. Vader breathing noises .. you have taught me to well.. Vader noises.. I shall use your tactics against the empire.. Vader breathing
Would be interesting to see something like what if marvel scenarios done for star wars. Your what if scenarios are entertaining
I honestly hope Vader's catalyst is learning the death of Luke and seeing the tombstone of his and Padme's child is what breaks him and made him believe Palpatine's empire has to go.
I feel like this one is basically if Vader was the main character of the original trillogy
Perhaps you could do a video on what would happen if the Yuuzhan Vong invaded in the middle of the Clone Wars? That would certainly be interesting - potentially having the CIS and Republic calling at least a temporary truce to fight against a more prevalent and common enemy. Plus, considering how much the Yuuzhan Vong hate droids, seeing them face off against trillions of CIS battle droids would certainly be intriguing, to say the least.
I love how you take several what ifs from the actual comics that occurred
What if Kanan and Ezra actually saved Luminara? Before anyone says anything about how strict Luminara was, I would like to see an alternate universe where she comes to realize how her strict training alienated Barriss from her and decides to make up for her mistake by helping the Rebels!
What if Thrawn joined Grand Admiral Zaarin's coup
It was pretty interesting how things were different from the start just by grace of this being an inner conflict unlike with the Rebellion, and how it changed so many lives both for the better and the worse.
Yularen vs Vader was something I've never even considered, but I honestly think it's one of the best things to ever come out of the What Ifs.
Seeing Saw Guerrera of all people here was unexpected but surprisingly enjoyable, honestly the Rebirth had quite the interesting ensemble of people as it's leaders.
Good to see Anakin got his kids back and that they got to enjoy life outside the Jedi-Sith conflict.
Wow, that's a lot of different Jedi Orders, I kinda wish we got to see a bit more of that (also jay! Kanan survives here. Probably Cere too, so that's great), but who knows, maybe in another AU.
What if, instead of once then never again, Obi Wan, and later on Anakin (and Ahsoka too if you want), used Force Speed at every single chance he thought it would be useful?
Read a fanfic going this direction. Except vader assassinated palps and vader legally takes over. Then has to consolidate his power by negotiating with the various moffs and thrawn.
This scenario has the makings similar to the Goldenbaum Civil War arc of Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Vader and Thrawn looking like Reinhard and Kircheis.
What if the clones and droids both rebelled together in the clone wars
woah that is the best one. although it didn't go the typical way for anakin it was more plausible the outcome and everybody worked together !
I'm glad you enjoyed!!
Please do another one about the empire
That was a very good story, one of your best.
I'm glad you enjoyed!!
What if the infinite empire with the Star forge returned during the clone wars?
Aye Pente been watching you for about a year and a half now finally got a TH-cam account. Got some what if ideas if you’d like to take them.
1: What if Ezra killed thrawn or never got sent to the other galaxy with him.
2: What if the super tactical droid from the rebels episode the last battle (kalani) joined the rebel alliance or more specifically the ghost crew.
3: What if Dooku formed the cis but stayed a Jedi (still leaving the order of course)
4: What if mother Tounsan showed Grevious who really was responsible for his ship crash and what happened to his body.
5: What if a new cis formed in the wake of the new republics collapse in the force awakens to combat the first order.
6: What if the new republic wasn’t stupid and had a proper military and response to the first orders rise in the sequels. (Since you know they had to fight the empire for how many years and now thrawns reborn empire)
This is best one so far
I'm so glad you enjoyed!
Vader didn’t have that kind of pull. We saw him getting disrespected by officers all the time.
Good story cool space battles I do wish you went into more specific dialogue especially between thrawn and Vader(also no mention of the deathstar?)
I'm glad you enjoyed! And yes, I didn't realize until I uploaded it, that I never mentioned the Death Star. Since this war really kicks off between 8-4 BBY, I think the Authority would've been more focused on flagships, since the DS would only encourage others to join Rebirth. But definitely should've been mentioned, which is my bad!
I like the detail that there is more than one Jedi Order that rises in the aftermath. The Lothal Jedi, the Night Jedi*, the Old Jedi (Yoda and Obi-Wan), the Unaligned (Anakin).
(* There was a non-fic plotbunny post on AO3 about the Mantis Crew time travelling and Cal and Merrin picking up Shmi and Anakin before Naboo happened. The general idea is Cal trains Anakin, Merrin trains Shmi as a Nightsister, they visit Dathomir and claim Savage a Feral, with the former being more inclined to the Darkker side while the latter more to the Lighter, and in the aftermath of Naboo, end up finding and taking Maul under their protection, and basically knock about the galaxy making up a mix of Jedi, Nightsister, and just a shade of Sith ideologies into their own thing and eventually running into Obi-Wan and drawing him into their little group too. I made a comment on the plotbunny saying I want to think of them taking the name "Night Jedi" and that they become agents of Controlled Chaos and Balance.)
If the Imperial Rebirth was in the outer Rim and had Sullust as the Capital, that means they would have SoroSuub shipyards, Eriadu's shipyards, and Sulis Vann's shipyards to be producing ships and designs. Plus, they likely would have the Mon Cal shipyards if they were spread that far into the North Eastern portions of the galaxy.
Even without the Mon Cal shipyards, they had the other three major shipyards. The Rebirth should have been pumping out Quasar Fire class carriers, Liberator Class Cruisers, Dauntless Class Heavy Cruisers, and Bulwark Mk IIIs. Those are all SoroSuub designs and extremely effective ships. It would have distinctivly separated the factions and given the Rebirth more options.
Honestly I always thought the gffa needed an empire ran by the likes of Bail or Padme like they would hate it so i just know theyd do amazing
Fantastic Story, and the space battle footage really was a Chiefs kiss.
I'm glad you enjoyed!1
I kinda want to write this as a full series
What if starlight beacon just strengthen the resolve of the Republic to do what starlight was supposed to do