The problem is that the early Church decided to tag the newer Jesus stories onto the Old Testament. The OT does not stand up to scrutiny as it is basically an early version of the Mormon morale boosting con trick told to the Hebrews to make them feel special and chosen by "god".
"I was drunk and didn't know what I was doing. Besides, I was too drunk to remember." Said many rapists or men who sexually assault their daughters throughout time.
Mm..yet these kinds of things , often are redacted, by nations ashamed of their dubious actions.. Open and honest, might motivate some to accept .. When we have people voted in to become MP,s or presidents, who lie to get power and keep it Our confidence diminishes Look at the result ! The author of scripture Does not do this. Even though we are all his children He s not under delusion He knows we are in a mess Because we are independent We need guidance and direction Which is the truth we will be made to accept.
Even when I was a Christian reading this chapter raised a lot of questions. And to think, Christians believe we get “absolute morality” from this book 😂
@@kathryngeeslin9509 But any hospitality laws are rendered null and void when you start offering your daughters up to gang-rapists,as far as I'm concerned.Lot had his priorities all messed up and turned around ass-backwards! By the way,have you ever read the story in Judges 19:1-29? It's similar to the Lot story but goes way further! But this tale,along with Lot's-all happened on "god's"watch.AS it says in the book,"the eyes of the Lord are in every place beholding the good and the evil." But how could such tales be in an omniscient and omnipotent god's "holy book"is beyond me.
Joseph Riggs wow... it’s almost the same story, only the concubine actually gets raped and THEN cut up into pieces!!! Yeah, how in the hell does that belong anywhere in a so-called “holy book”, huh? Exactly what lesson was I to derive from that???? Wow! Just, WOW!!!
@@christinafidance340 Yeah,I know. When I first read it,I was like,"What the hell!" I wonder how many Christians have read that story.Even more,I'd like to see their response and what lame excuse they would come up with for that being in their holy book.And like I said,this all apparently happened on God's watch.Actually the whole book of Judges is disgusting and repulsive! You know what? On second thought,I don't want to know what Christians think of the story.It would probably just piss me off!
I cant remember one time when I went to church where this chapter was publicly read or discussed. Sure lots wife was mentioned for not obeying but that was it. No drunken incestuous action or angels hunting man booty.
Probably because reading about how Lot wants to let a whole damn town violate his daughters so that they don't harass these total strangers would make you question how moral the Bible really is.
@@MovieMakingMan and which church are you talking about? Idk about other Churches but both catholic and Orthodox churches talk about this during lent
This made me laugh out like like there’s no tomorrow. To this day I don’t understand why the Bible doesn’t have a giant warning on the front cover. It really should be X rated. Cheers, Kenny from Philly
Try reading Judges 19. Not only is this story repeated, it’s really much much worse. Then, if you can stomach it, keep reading Judges 20 and 21. I consider those three chapters to be the three worst in all of the bible.
Lot offered his daughters. More proof women are considered chattel in the bible. Also, they angels only passed judgement based on men. Righteous women don't count?
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@@pr7049 our church taught us that women are the last and secondary of all creation. We are last in all things. We are not to think, speak, or do anything unless a man says to. We are to be subserviant and silent in all things. No lesson or scripture is to come from our lips unless a man says otherwise. We are cursed and guilty of original sin for all eternity. Even in heavan we are to be treated thus. So does this answer your question? I came from an extremely fundy church.
@@ralfhaggstrom9862 Yeeeaaahh.... Well....... I remember I was told about Lot's story. The emphasis was on: men tried to rape, so the entire town deserves death and oh, Lot's wife who shall not be named should have listened to god (even though it were to strangers who told her husband and not her to not look back). So in christian circles divine vengeance is a good part. They should've left out the whole story, but a little indoctrination, hatred, and cognitive dissonance can fix that easily, apparently.
@@harveywabbit9541 Citation needed. Lot's wife is Venus and god brought Mars to her and she cheated on Lot in her heart. God got salty and lost his temper. Tell me, how is your unsubstantiated faux explanation any more plausible than mine?
The bar for qualifying as a righteous man was so very low during that time. Lot wouldnt even qualify to be considered a contestant in the righteousness contest in the 21st century.
It does seem a bit ambiguous at that point. Maybe blind obedience, and unquestioning worship of God. Oh and a willingness to produce offspring as much as possible in almost any circumstances. I guess they really did need the 10 commandments.
Indeed. A guy who offers his daughters to be gang-raped by a mob in order to protect his angel guests is a shitty excuse of a human being. That’s not righteousness by any stretch of the imagination.
This is a messed up book and millions believe it to be the devine word of a moral code. 19 episodes in and still haven't come across any moral teachings.
The Catholic and Orthodox Church don't believe such things. The Bible is an ancient book with lots of archaic ideas (duhh). We don't build our faith upon Bible alone, as protestants do, but upon Bible, Church Teaching and Apostolic Tradition. That being said, this video really lacks some serious philology and hermeneutics. Pax et bonum.
Why not? I don't see any clarifications specifically excluding them. I don't think we can go by what we would expect from common sense or logical consistency considering what we're working with here.
It seems there were 2 or more versions, and they ended up picking parts from each. On the other hand, if the daughters weren’t married, in the eyes of the author, they were the property of their father and he could do what he wanted with them.
I'm now reading the Bible and writting commentaries on every page and I'm so happy finding out this channel cuz I can finally contrast my remarks with someone else's 😍
Curiosity = death penalty Oh, and if walking to a nearby town is too far to get a replacement for your fiance, it's okay to drug and rape your father. I guess that men are almost as interchangeable as women and children are in the bible.
Its being theorized right now with tons of evidence to support the claim, that it was indeed an asteroid that hit, large enough to cause an atomic bomb like explosion, wiping out the two cities, called something else at the time, and surrounding areas. This would have been big enough to wipe all life in the area leaving just dust, and possibly salt from space, behind. Its pretty interesting. Dating shows this would've happened way before the Bible or even Christianity, possibly near the early bronze age? I think? And that it's more than possible that someone was far enough way to witness it safely, telling the tale, and over time, turning into this story.
I feel like anyone that believes this shit really just doesn’t understand the concept of time. They don’t even consider that less than 50, 100, 150 years ago life was significantly different let alone 2000+ years ago. The amount we’ve learned about the world in the last two decades alone is astonishing. If anyone doesn’t see this as just a first attempt at explaining the world around them by people that were legitimately convinced natural events were caused by some man in the sky... then they’ve never looked at it without presupposing it’s true first.
Not sure how fundamentalist types call this mishmosh of ancient fables "inerrant". Whoever wrote these stories clearly had a limited understanding of the universe around them, far less than what we now know here in the 21st century.
Robert Kirby absolutely. The only people that could write at the time were those educated enough to do so. Doesn’t mean their findings stand up to scientific scrutiny (or common sense)
How does Lot never put 2 and 2 together about his mysteriously pregnant daughters? He never thought to remark, "So, who are my sons-in-law? They should at least help raise the babies!" No? Okay, just thought I'd check.
Most of the biblical characters are clueless mental zombies. Even Jesus heard a voice inside his brain ordering him to be tortured and executed. The Complete Guide to the Practice of Cognitive Dissonance.
I actually got into a fight with my wife over this chapter of the bible because she couldnt believe that i would deride God for destroying a whole city out of anger when they were apparantly so corrupt that they deserved it. Ignoring the implausibility of literally an entire city being evil, why is the only way to handle that commiting genocide?
It's gods will of justice, your form/idea of justice is not the same as everyone else's and God didn't destroy it out of anger but rather of justice for they were wicked and caused harm to the world
@@alexherr. Since you want to justify child murder than lest take a look In the story of Noah's Flood EVERY child on Earth was given a slow and excruciating death when he could have easily just blipped them out of existence, and their crime? Apparently these children were so wicked that every thought in their mind was evil, meaning not once did one of them think, "I'm hungry, I wonder what mom is going to make tonight."
Bizarre? Except this that many of those stories that you call bizarre have been proven truthful....there is new evidence all the time that confirms the Bible and the stories it contains. You just have to want to find out the truth. God has preserved so much of this evidence because it has been buried 20 or 30 feet down. In ancient times they built over the cities thus there is a wealth of history they are finding every day. Much of the stories have been confirmed to be as the bible has told it. You just have to want to except it and there lies the problem. You can see it but still won't believe it because you choose not too.
@@suebennett9347 I think that humans invented gods because the stories are so absurd, that no self respecting god could come up with a bunch of rubbish like that
Thank you for making these videos. I was a believer 26 years of my 31 years of life, This videos help me to read the Bible from another prospective, it is like the Bible is totally new for me and I'm.realizing how crazy and immoral is, it helps me to clean my mind form bad ideas, your videos freed my mind. Thank you.
How did it change your perspective? Did you just read some parts of it and thought it was good? This verse talks about the wickedness of the city. I don't know how this really changes your belief on it (tho you could be easily convinced of new ideas)
A part of this was to create a justification to kill the two groups named at the end of the chapter. By naming an entire people as born of incest, the followers of Yahweh felt that the extermination of yet another tribe or two was just.
More like twisted to be used in a power struggle over the land. Theres evidence of destruction on a massive scale in the area the two cities were said to be in, and more evidence points to this being an asteroid impact long before the Hebrew God was even an idea. More than likely someone witnessed it, far enough away, and told the story till it got changed like a game of telephone, only for political purposes to gain land.
Thank you for the work you do. I really enjoy your take on genesis. Having read it when I was a "Christian", every time I questioned these verses, they always had an answer for it. I don't remember them now but there was always a justification to them that seemed moral.
Yeah you asked a question and were surprised when answered? Also their are different forms of what is right and wrong and since you most likely base your morals from the government (aka the law) you think this is wrong, but for other people it's not. You can say it's bad if you want but at the end it's a form of justice
@@ingebygstad9667 Maybe I should give it another try then🤔 Though I don't think I even have a Bible anymore.... I just stick with having it read to me here lol
@@lauramouse6232 Well it gets ugly. Really ugly. But you truly get to know god's personality in detail. ....It's kinda funny, because there was not a single person on the planet I knew of that I found comparable to him. He was just so damn different! But then in 2016, America got a new president... Add bloodthirsty batshit crazy shortsighted psychopathic violence to the mix, and there you have superior moral, all loving, all caring Yahweh. :) They both have in common of not being particularly bright. But Yahweh is not a dumbass. I assume you're an atheist like myself? Here's today's bible reading for you. You will LOVE it! *Numbers 5 11-31*
Bobby Allen Yes I have, and they didn’t have an answer. Lot is seen as a good man, yet he gave his daughters up to be raped before impregnating them both in a cave. All his wife did was turn around, yet she was killed as a result and is seen as the bad one.
Some have claimed that the "salt" was actually ash and that she was burned to a crisp because she turned around and faced the city. That seems rather far fetched to me!
I was wondering. Could Lot offering his daughters to a rapacious mob be the first recorded attempt at conversion therapy? It's obviously obscenely bad for the daughters, but modern therapy is also obscenely bad for the clients, so the moral equivalence seems similar.
True. Goes to show that womens rights were less valuable than curing the gay. Its a wonder why anyone holds these people up in theae stories as any kind of moral standard
Genesis 19 is why I’m an atheist today. The “hero” of the story offers his daughters up to be gang raped. Neither angel objects. Lot is still saved by God’s mercy in the end. I believe rape to be one of the three most immoral things a person can do (alongside slavery and torture). Clearly, I have morals that didn’t come from the bible. If those morals didn’t come from the bible, then how can I honestly say ANY of my morals came from it. If I don’t need the bible for morality, then I don’t need it at all. And another atheist is born.
Mr. Friendly Atheist doesn’t sound so friendly, more acerbic and bitter. So because they were engaged implies they weren’t virgins? That is assuming a lot. The culture at the time valued guests. If they were under a host’s care, the host offered all the protection they could. I don’t condone this, but then, Lot offered his daughters according to the custom at the time. That sounds awful to us, but by offering his family to placate the mob in order to save others under his care was considered noble. Aspects of that host/guest mindset still exist today in Middle East. A host will protect their guests, at all costs. The story doesn’t imply the incest was good. It just describes it as having happened, warped as it is.
Sei Owens I agree! Mr . Friendly Atheist is not always friendly! He makes some valid points, nevertheless! And I agree, Of course the culture and customs were different back then!! And this is what I believe it to be: a partly historical account about the culture and religion of those ancient people! What I don’t agree on is that this book is the true and literal word of God and that we need it to draw from it our moral values
@@seiowens3970 There's friendly and then there's incest and rape apologia. I think it is reasonable to get somewhat offended by rape. As for the daughter's chastity. I went back and listened. He specifically says some versions of the bible say married. So not really that unreasonable an assumption. As for protecting guests. I guess that seems noble enough. How come the three men didn't try and fight the mob first, or run away? When you take your problem and forcibly make it someone else's you have not solved a moral issue. If the bible is just a collection of stories. It's a weird and often disgusting group of stories. If it's a group of parables meant for morality. Well, *at best* ,they are very outdated. If it's supposed to be the literal word of God. Well any god that behaved in such a manner deserves no praise. Edit: I don't know how familiar you are with the bible. But the bible does basically imply this incest is good or at least necessary. Because it uses Lot's male lineage thru his daughter's sons to justify later biblical events. Remove Lot as the father and the Abrahamic line to certain later characters is severed. One recurring theme in the bible is brother against brother, or family against family. The Moabites and Ammonites end up often being an enemy of Israel.
So Lot came to the mountain the next day and looked back. But he didn't turn into a pillar of salt. This is an origin story and there are rocks which resemble pillars of salt. It's like all mythology and fables people wrote about their surroundings. Very typical of the time, and something people in the XXI century shouldn't take seriously anymore.
I imagine Ken Ham and his followers finally got round to reading Genesis and were like, "Wait that's just the first chapter? Best not finish this book, it's already pretty difficult to justify this Christianity lark."
I see that the angels didn't go looking for good people among the women or the children... God stacking the deck a little. "Fine, I'll spare the town if I find 10 good people, so I'll only ask 9 people then pass judgement."
That makes two chapters where the characters are able to negotiate with God to successfully make him change his mind, even if he also goes back on his agreement with Abe.
And what about the birthright nonsense with Jacob and Esau? Not only does Jacob only need to trick his father to get the birthright, but nobody can undo it once the trick is revealed!
Legitimate question: if his daughters aren't married (because they've never been with a man, and usually isn't there a consumation of marriage pretty quick in the Bible?) then how does Lot have son-in-laws? Son in laws are when a man gets married to your child, right? Unless I've mistaken something.
@Michael Miller Since we know about DNA we also know that the resulting offspring has higher chances on genetic diseases. Science gives a framework for objective morality.
@Michael Miller Look Michael, the bible came up with the idea, now I see that you'd love to keep doing it, maybe to please your god, but it's really not a good idea, you know, no contraception is 100% safe.
But it's weird.I just could not see that when I was a Christian.Maybe some angel struck me "spiritually" blind? Or maybe he supernaturally brainwashed me in an instant?
@Zeal! While that is true,whether the pastor knew that he was doing that or not-a book coming from a god for whom nothing is impossible should be so clear that there would be no need for manipulation or interpretation(s).It should be at least as clear as a manual on how to defuse or dismantle a live nuclear missile/bomb.And if a god of the impossible truly inspired it,then he sure as hell wouldn't have imprinted it on papyrus or parchment-a material which deteriorates rapidly.I don't see why he could not have created a magic book that,when opened,would automatically be both readable and understandable and clear to whoever opens the book-in their understanding and metal level/i.q.and in their language.And he could have made it supernaturally transported to whoever he wanted to read it-or something like that.Now that would be both impressive and mind-blowing!
This whole chapter makes a lot more sense if Lot was trying to start a new brothel in Sodom and referred to his prostitutes as daughters, which was a common thing in ancient times. The 'townsfolk' were the already established brothels who were ticked off that Lott was stealing their business. The demand about "having sex" was really a demand to patronize one of their prostitutes.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. And he'll never be able to understand the Bible. You need spiritual eyes to understand it. That's why he told the last Church Age which is Revelation Chapter 3:14-22 verse 18 he tells the church and the people what to do, so they can see. See in the Bible means to understand. Message to the Church in Laodicea 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. How did Able know to bring the right sacrifice unto God? Able brought a lamb. But his brother Cain brought the fruits of the field. Able knew by faith which is revelation that it was the blood that did it. Able was the son of Adam. Cain was the son of Satan. Remember when Jesus Christ ask his disciples the question about who does thou say I am in the book of Matthew 16:13 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. So without revelation you'll never understand the Bible. I don't what your education is. Remember Paul was a highly educated man. He was taught by one of the greatest teacher in that time. Gamaliel. Paul said that everything he learned he had to forget to find Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Until you get the spirit of God you'll never understand it. It's not for you because you doubt it. For you who's made negative comments about the Bible. Do me a favor, and read this scripture and keep it in your memory, so when it happens you'll how blind and lost you are. I pray that the would open eyes before it happens though. Revelation 13:16. The Mark of the Beast 16. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. 666 is the Pope. Research his crown. Also read Revelation 17 the entire Chapter, and pay attention to the colors of garments, and research and how it's decked in jewels and a golden cup. Who killed and tortured all the saints in the Middle and Dark Ages? She's sits on 7 mountains. Church in the Bible means woman. Research who's sitting on these mountains. Oh I could keep going, but I'll stop. Research it and repent. Woman on the Beast 1. And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2. With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. The Mystery Explained 7. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
I have never taken the bible seriously but these readings have me both in fits of laughter and truly amazed at how ANYONE can take any moral value from it let alone preach such twisted morality to others.
@Gods Servant Even granting the premise that god exists, it's a disgusting thing to do - to kill and spare based on that. Hell, to kill and spare at all. There was nothing virtuous about the Lot character. Which is my point. That it points to a non-virtuous, so-called god.
@Gods Servant You are so triggered. The truth hurts, huh? Lot wanted the village to rape his daughters. He's not "virtuous". The only thing he was trying to prevent was homosexuality. Which is asinine to think that it's something immoral. I've read the bible. It's full of disgusting things like this. Mr Snowflake. Go take your pills. All you're doing is showcasing how moronic and indoctrinated you are.
Yes yeast, meaning your probably are going to have to leave this place in a hurry so, don’t use leaven because you don’t have the time to let it puff up the doe. All so leaven is something that’s looked at as bad doctrine...so if the word of G-D is looked at as bread and their is not leaven in it, then your understanding hasn’t been influenced by any outside sources.
Viejo Delentes their is nothing wrong with long descriptions that appear to be random. Everybody’s mind works differently, some ppl can remember almost every detail of an account in their life. Now when police do detective work they might ask questions that seem random but, they use thing like names place names ,ppl, time, geography so they can get a corresponding picture of what you said occurred and see if it matches. This show more than a level of confidence about the Bible’s accuracy, showing that more likely, that source were from eyewitness accounts.
The entire Old Testament (especially) is *ironclad proof* that men create gods in their own image, and not vice-versa - just like the Greeks, Romans, and every other tribe throughout history.
The sad thing is,when you criticise this story for being so whacky,religious people will say to you “well bro you dont have the intelligence and wisdom to understand the word of god,you arr unfit to read the bible,only a person like falwell or kent hovind can understand it because they are chosen and you’re not”. I mean if the shoe wont fit,should you chop your toes to fit on it?ofcourse not.bible is the most successfull con job in the human history.
@@Nickname10344 did you know that if the angels had found 10 righteous people Sodom wouldn't have fallen. Did you know that the angels actually never took them out the just told them to leave. c'mon man. Read and comprehend the story.
Mrs. Lot's wife XD LMAO At least you tried to give her a name. None of the writers seemed to care. They just needed a victim to blame for curiosity and not eaves dropping when the two strangers threatened the whole town with death and gave Lot instructions on how to escape it and who better than Lot's wife to get out of the way so Lot's daughters could date-rape him because the nearby town was too far away to preserve the family line. How far are nearby towns anyway if two engaged women can't reach it before they're unable to get pregnant? I bet they had the same tour guide as Moses will get. "There's the town, I will get you there safely but now I will get you lost for forty years. Better stack some booze to date-rape your father or you'll never have children."
Just so you know, every time the name 'god' is said out loud, he has an excuse to come and have a look. And I think he does, probably to check if the missionary was being remembered. And if too much of the holy spirit was used.
The most disturbing part of the story is that god approves the behavior of lot’s daughters he doesn't try to intervene or give good advice he just lets it happen,....but in Leviticus he doesn't approve that sort of behavior one confused individual .
Well shit, Yahweh may had forbid incest in Leviticus but it didn’t stop the fact that we came from it in Genesis, according to Christianity. Plus, Lot’s daughters and Noah’s sons both already saw their father’s nakedness. So too late for Yahweh.
I'm not an atheist, but in your defence these are verses you'll never hear quoted in church. When a hysterical baptist woman told me that catholics used an abridged Bible, I quoted her a passage from Genesis 19 that she had never heard, and her husband was the pastor.. :)
Twenty-five years ago the New York Times reported that geologists studying the area around the purported location of Sodom suggested that the story of Lot's wife was an origin myth that sought to explain the presence of naturally occurring formations in the area. Here is an explanatory passage from the article: "The geologists said that Lot's wife did not appear to turn into a pillar of salt because she dared to look back but because of the briny nature of the Dead Sea . . . Mr. Harris said by telephone from Canada that the Dead Sea was full of salt floes that might have been thrown up by surging water to resemble a female outline. 'Hence legend is created out of what can now be explained as a simple geological phenomenon,' he said." Harris also speculated that "saturated soil and highly flammable bitumen, rather than God's wrath, was apparently behiind the demise of [Sodom and Gomorrah."
So, do you think that this is an example of how one should behave? I don't think any bible believer, who read this chapter thinks: "Yes, this is how I must behave."
@@Nikk82115 Because without a God there is no ultimate standard of good and evil, there's only the majority opinion of the people, and that can lead to horrible standards. Because ultimately, humans are not altruistic but selfish. And if the wrong people get into power, society will take steps into the wrong direction.
@@Nikk82115 So what you're saying is, I should be making my own standard of good and evil, instead of the one God gave through His commandments? That's brilliant, let the people deside, what good and evil is, that has never led to disastrous consequences. I am thinking, I'm thinking about what God thinks about my actions. Maybe that would be a good mindset for people.
@@Matty0311MMS So you look to a book that promotes murder, rape, slavery, insest, genocide, genital mutilation and many other horrible things for a way you should act in life? 👍
God did not tell Lot to say or do that. Lot made that terrible offer on his own. The fact that they left that in scripture makes me believe the authenticity of the Bible even more. They could have removed that if they wanted to hide something.
Shame!!! These are desperate fools with intention to disturbilize other religion. Salvation is personal so why trying to attack the Bible? Your quoran is a dictator book. Your custom in quoran is full of intimidating and threats to those who may quetion its authenticity. You force everyone to belive in your man. Now I know the reason your quoran allow to kill who ever goes against or corrects your mistakes in your faith. Are you judges on behalf of Jehovah? Coward of cowards. Let Christianity alone and work on your own beliefs in your human gods.
@@muchachandra3938 eeeh... whose is "your" quoran? As far as the author of the channel, he is atheist and used to be a jainist (those do not follow quoran). furthermore, islam is still abrahamic religion. so the god is about the same. (btw, if salvation is personal, why not attack the bible? it's a book, an erring one at best nonetheless.)
@@te-ter sorry let not the book written by man confuse us so that we remain devided forever. The fact is we are all God's creation. we should not be divided by opinions of any author of religious books. We all claim to talk to God but no one has ever heard his physical voice. Let's focus on salivation
What possible message was the writer of this story trying to convey, incest OK if the possible mates are nowhere to be found/deemed undesirables/forbidden?
Why, if God is as powerful and 'good at the killing' as claimed in the bible, would Lot have to leave the city? Couldn't God do the destruction around Lots house? It would have been more impressive to leave Lots house the only one standing amongst the rubble. More to the point too.
You are right. Religion doesn’t want curiosity, just 100% blind devotion to a made up invisible being.
I think it's funny how Christians are getting all up in arms about this series, because Hemant is reading this word for word.
It says a lot about Christians that they get upset that their holy book is being read verbatim.
The problem is that the early Church decided to tag the newer Jesus stories onto the Old Testament. The OT does not stand up to scrutiny as it is basically an early version of the Mormon morale boosting con trick told to the Hebrews to make them feel special and chosen by "god".
This guy only reveals how much a fool is wise in his own eyes
This guy only reveals how much a fool is wise in his own eyes
What Christ and are all upset over this series id like to know
"I was drunk and didn't know what I was doing. Besides, I was too drunk to remember." Said many rapists or men who sexually assault their daughters throughout time.
Mm..yet these kinds of things , often are redacted, by nations ashamed of their dubious actions..
Open and honest, might motivate some to accept ..
When we have people voted in to become MP,s or presidents, who lie to get power and keep it
Our confidence diminishes
Look at the result !
The author of scripture
Does not do this.
Even though we are all his children
He s not under delusion
He knows we are in a mess
Because we are independent
We need guidance and direction
Which is the truth we will be made to accept.
@compositioncompilation
How do you know "the author" is not under delusion?
Oh yeah, because "he" says so 🙄.
Even when I was a Christian reading this chapter raised a lot of questions. And to think, Christians believe we get “absolute morality” from this book 😂
It's the opposite of what most of modern day people would call morality.It's repulsive and absurd.
In the ancient world they needed the hospitality laws, but nowadays carelessly inviting strangers into your home is dangerous, suicidal.
@@kathryngeeslin9509 But any hospitality laws are rendered null and void when you start offering your daughters up to gang-rapists,as far as I'm concerned.Lot had his priorities all messed up and turned around ass-backwards! By the way,have you ever read the story in Judges 19:1-29? It's similar to the Lot story but goes way further! But this tale,along with Lot's-all happened on "god's"watch.AS it says in the book,"the eyes of the Lord are in every place beholding the good and the evil." But how could such tales be in an omniscient and omnipotent god's "holy book"is beyond me.
Joseph Riggs wow... it’s almost the same story, only the concubine actually gets raped and THEN cut up into pieces!!! Yeah, how in the hell does that belong anywhere in a so-called “holy book”, huh? Exactly what lesson was I to derive from that???? Wow! Just, WOW!!!
@@christinafidance340 Yeah,I know. When I first read it,I was like,"What the hell!" I wonder how many Christians have read that story.Even more,I'd like to see their response and what lame excuse they would come up with for that being in their holy book.And like I said,this all apparently happened on God's watch.Actually the whole book of Judges is disgusting and repulsive! You know what? On second thought,I don't want to know what Christians think of the story.It would probably just piss me off!
This story should be taken with a grain of lot's wife.
ahaaHAA
best comment
😂That’s a good one
Marc De Cock that was funny as hell!
Brilliant!
P.S. wasn't daddy Lot the least bit curious on how in the hell his daughters got pregnant since there were no men?
They'd just come Sodom, so anything is possible... 😁
Magic.
Look for a star in the east.
I cant remember one time when I went to church where this chapter was publicly read or discussed. Sure lots wife was mentioned for not obeying but that was it. No drunken incestuous action or angels hunting man booty.
Probably because reading about how Lot wants to let a whole damn town violate his daughters so that they don't harass these total strangers would make you question how moral the Bible really is.
No church reads the ‘inconvenient’ parts of the Bible. They are lying by omission.
@@MovieMakingMan I believe that is called 'seeing what you want to see, not what's actually there'
@@MovieMakingMan and which church are you talking about? Idk about other Churches but both catholic and Orthodox churches talk about this during lent
okay, but imagine if when Lot went and saw the destruction the next morning he also turned to salt
"This is not what 'Focus on the Family' is supposed to mean." 😂😂😂 I'm dead.
This made me laugh out like like there’s no tomorrow. To this day I don’t understand why the Bible doesn’t have a giant warning on the front cover. It really should be X rated.
Cheers, Kenny from Philly
It should be rated I for Insest
This is one of the most bizarre chapters in the entire bible. Not counting the entire book of Revelations lol.
Bizarre
Don’t forget the Songs of Solomon, those are pretty weird too
It is. In fact, it’s usually my very first example of how there’s some pretty strange sh!t in there! It’s the first story I always bring up.
And the book of daniel
Try reading Judges 19. Not only is this story repeated, it’s really much much worse. Then, if you can stomach it, keep reading Judges 20 and 21. I consider those three chapters to be the three worst in all of the bible.
Lot offered his daughters. More proof women are considered chattel in the bible. Also, they angels only passed judgement based on men. Righteous women don't count?
Woah!! Spoiler alert..
Sad right
Damn right
But in Bible woman was created from a mans ribbone. How can that who is created from a man be lesser than a man⁉️⁉️⁉️ pleasd watch shamounian channel. Give call or ask in live chat. You are wellcome
@@pr7049 our church taught us that women are the last and secondary of all creation. We are last in all things. We are not to think, speak, or do anything unless a man says to. We are to be subserviant and silent in all things. No lesson or scripture is to come from our lips unless a man says otherwise. We are cursed and guilty of original sin for all eternity. Even in heavan we are to be treated thus. So does this answer your question? I came from an extremely fundy church.
Remember any story is 'good' if you ignore all the immoral, evil, or distasteful parts.
What? Date-rape incest, not good? o_O Now what am I going to do with all this GHB? This is going to be a very boring family weekend :(
i.e. the WHOLE story ! .............
@@ralfhaggstrom9862 Yeeeaaahh.... Well....... I remember I was told about Lot's story. The emphasis was on: men tried to rape, so the entire town deserves death and oh, Lot's wife who shall not be named should have listened to god (even though it were to strangers who told her husband and not her to not look back). So in christian circles divine vengeance is a good part.
They should've left out the whole story, but a little indoctrination, hatred, and cognitive dissonance can fix that easily, apparently.
@@stylis666 And looks like it does, in amerika but not that well in my Northern European Country i.e. REALITY ! ,.......
@@harveywabbit9541 Citation needed.
Lot's wife is Venus and god brought Mars to her and she cheated on Lot in her heart. God got salty and lost his temper.
Tell me, how is your unsubstantiated faux explanation any more plausible than mine?
The bar for qualifying as a righteous man was so very low during that time. Lot wouldnt even qualify to be considered a contestant in the righteousness contest in the 21st century.
It does seem a bit ambiguous at that point. Maybe blind obedience, and unquestioning worship of God. Oh and a willingness to produce offspring as much as possible in almost any circumstances. I guess they really did need the 10 commandments.
Indeed. A guy who offers his daughters to be gang-raped by a mob in order to protect his angel guests is a shitty excuse of a human being. That’s not righteousness by any stretch of the imagination.
This is a messed up book and millions believe it to be the devine word of a moral code. 19 episodes in and still haven't come across any moral teachings.
The bible should be renamed, ‘God’s guide to Genocide’
Image the Bible was to be discovered today?!?
No one would read it and say’ this is the moral code we’ve always been looking for!’
😁
Steven bent1 ... nor any code, just a series of demands that pass as morality to Jews and Christians
Please watch shamounian channel. The guy is a living encyclopedia of bible and can give good answers to difficult questions.⚠️⚠️⚠️
The Catholic and Orthodox Church don't believe such things. The Bible is an ancient book with lots of archaic ideas (duhh). We don't build our faith upon Bible alone, as protestants do, but upon Bible, Church Teaching and Apostolic Tradition. That being said, this video really lacks some serious philology and hermeneutics. Pax et bonum.
"all the men" doesn't apparently include the son-in-laws
Why not? I don't see any clarifications specifically excluding them. I don't think we can go by what we would expect from common sense or logical consistency considering what we're working with here.
@@stevewebber707 Ancient tale by ancient people.
It seems there were 2 or more versions, and they ended up picking parts from each. On the other hand, if the daughters weren’t married, in the eyes of the author, they were the property of their father and he could do what he wanted with them.
@@scienceexplains302 What a cool society! If only we could turn modern society back a few thousand years and live like they did!--NOT!
The sons in law did not believe the city would be destroyed so they did not leave with Lot and his daughters and ultimately would have been destroyed
I'm now reading the Bible and writting commentaries on every page and I'm so happy finding out this channel cuz I can finally contrast my remarks with someone else's 😍
Basically
Being drunk = Moral immunity
Curiosity = death penalty
Oh, and if walking to a nearby town is too far to get a replacement for your fiance, it's okay to drug and rape your father. I guess that men are almost as interchangeable as women and children are in the bible.
but only if you're male
The description of the destruction of Sodom sounds a lot like the event of a volcanic eruption.
Or an asteroid
Its being theorized right now with tons of evidence to support the claim, that it was indeed an asteroid that hit, large enough to cause an atomic bomb like explosion, wiping out the two cities, called something else at the time, and surrounding areas. This would have been big enough to wipe all life in the area leaving just dust, and possibly salt from space, behind. Its pretty interesting. Dating shows this would've happened way before the Bible or even Christianity, possibly near the early bronze age? I think? And that it's more than possible that someone was far enough way to witness it safely, telling the tale, and over time, turning into this story.
Or it could be acid rain since that is burning sulfur.
Oh the good old Holy Bible. Because a book written by a bunch of guys that didn't know where the sun went at night must have all the answers.
I feel like anyone that believes this shit really just doesn’t understand the concept of time.
They don’t even consider that less than 50, 100, 150 years ago life was significantly different let alone 2000+ years ago. The amount we’ve learned about the world in the last two decades alone is astonishing.
If anyone doesn’t see this as just a first attempt at explaining the world around them by people that were legitimately convinced natural events were caused by some man in the sky... then they’ve never looked at it without presupposing it’s true first.
Not sure how fundamentalist types call this mishmosh of ancient fables "inerrant". Whoever wrote these stories clearly had a limited understanding of the universe around them, far less than what we now know here in the 21st century.
I don’t think it’s fair to call someone out for being wrong when everyone else was wrong too
That's not to say such ancient writers were stupid, they just didn't understand.
Robert Kirby absolutely. The only people that could write at the time were those educated enough to do so. Doesn’t mean their findings stand up to scientific scrutiny (or common sense)
Plus the fact that both daughters knew they were fertile at exactly the same period is just amazing
How does Lot never put 2 and 2 together about his mysteriously pregnant daughters? He never thought to remark, "So, who are my sons-in-law? They should at least help raise the babies!" No? Okay, just thought I'd check.
Most of the biblical characters are clueless mental zombies.
Even Jesus heard a voice inside his brain ordering him to be tortured and executed.
The Complete Guide to the Practice of Cognitive Dissonance.
@@JamesRichardWiley feel like I’ve seen your comments around. Always well put.
Lot’s wife looks back...becomes a pillar of salt
Lot looks back in the morning...nothing happens
Hmmm 🤔 I was thinking the same thing too
She missed the perversion,he missed the city.
@Terence Johunkin possibly an ancient alien death laser that vaporizes the meat and bone but leaves behind a salt like shell or crust
I actually got into a fight with my wife over this chapter of the bible because she couldnt believe that i would deride God for destroying a whole city out of anger when they were apparantly so corrupt that they deserved it. Ignoring the implausibility of literally an entire city being evil, why is the only way to handle that commiting genocide?
It's gods will of justice, your form/idea of justice is not the same as everyone else's and God didn't destroy it out of anger but rather of justice for they were wicked and caused harm to the world
But also a city where a gang of men rape any male stranger that comes in?
I don't know any reason that could come to be.
@@alexherr.So the children were evil, got it.
@@DLCDALLAS tell me you haven't read Genesis without telling me you haven't read Genesis:
@@alexherr. Since you want to justify child murder than lest take a look
In the story of Noah's Flood EVERY child on Earth was given a slow and excruciating death when he could have easily just blipped them out of existence, and their crime? Apparently these children were so wicked that every thought in their mind was evil, meaning not once did one of them think, "I'm hungry, I wonder what mom is going to make tonight."
The more I think about the Bible, the more I think, what an absurd collection of bizarre stories it contains
Bizarre? Except this that many of those stories that you call bizarre have been proven truthful....there is new evidence all the time that confirms the Bible and the stories it contains. You just have to want to find out the truth. God has preserved so much of this evidence because it has been buried 20 or 30 feet down. In ancient times they built over the cities thus there is a wealth of history they are finding every day. Much of the stories have been confirmed to be as the bible has told it. You just have to want to except it and there lies the problem. You can see it but still won't believe it because you choose not too.
@@suebennett9347 I think that humans invented gods because the stories are so absurd, that no self respecting god could come up with a bunch of rubbish like that
Thank you for making these videos. I was a believer 26 years of my 31 years of life, This videos help me to read the Bible from another prospective, it is like the Bible is totally new for me and I'm.realizing how crazy and immoral is, it helps me to clean my mind form bad ideas, your videos freed my mind. Thank you.
How did it change your perspective? Did you just read some parts of it and thought it was good? This verse talks about the wickedness of the city. I don't know how this really changes your belief on it (tho you could be easily convinced of new ideas)
A part of this was to create a justification to kill the two groups named at the end of the chapter. By naming an entire people as born of incest, the followers of Yahweh felt that the extermination of yet another tribe or two was just.
They all have short-lived memories though because they forget that they all descended from Noah & his 3 sons & wives. LOL
But they were told not to take their land in deuteronomy 2:9,19, because yahweh gave it to the sons of lot.
More like twisted to be used in a power struggle over the land. Theres evidence of destruction on a massive scale in the area the two cities were said to be in, and more evidence points to this being an asteroid impact long before the Hebrew God was even an idea. More than likely someone witnessed it, far enough away, and told the story till it got changed like a game of telephone, only for political purposes to gain land.
Thank you for the work you do. I really enjoy your take on genesis. Having read it when I was a "Christian", every time I questioned these verses, they always had an answer for it. I don't remember them now but there was always a justification to them that seemed moral.
The Christians I spoke to knew it was immoral so would just ignore it completely.
Yeah you asked a question and were surprised when answered? Also their are different forms of what is right and wrong and since you most likely base your morals from the government (aka the law) you think this is wrong, but for other people it's not. You can say it's bad if you want but at the end it's a form of justice
This is the exact chapter where I gave up on reading the Bible. Just too weird😅
The world being created in 6 days is so believable.
Oh no! THIS is about when you should realize you need to keep going! However, I had it when when I came to _Joshua._
@@user-kv7yn2js2h Yes, especially the order in which things happen. I still think God just used a big ass construction light🤣🤭
@@ingebygstad9667 Maybe I should give it another try then🤔 Though I don't think I even have a Bible anymore.... I just stick with having it read to me here lol
@@lauramouse6232 Well it gets ugly. Really ugly. But you truly get to know god's personality in detail. ....It's kinda funny, because there was not a single person on the planet I knew of that I found comparable to him. He was just so damn different! But then in 2016, America got a new president... Add bloodthirsty batshit crazy shortsighted psychopathic violence to the mix, and there you have superior moral, all loving, all caring Yahweh. :) They both have in common of not being particularly bright. But Yahweh is not a dumbass.
I assume you're an atheist like myself? Here's today's bible reading for you. You will LOVE it! *Numbers 5 11-31*
Yes Hemant! I’ve been banging on about the story of Lot for ages. How can Christian’s see this as a positive tale of morality? It’s baffling.
Bobby Allen Yes I have, and they didn’t have an answer. Lot is seen as a good man, yet he gave his daughters up to be raped before impregnating them both in a cave. All his wife did was turn around, yet she was killed as a result and is seen as the bad one.
Some have claimed that the "salt" was actually ash and that she was burned to a crisp because she turned around and faced the city. That seems rather far fetched to me!
Okay, this is where family strokes came from.
Biblical porn at it’s finest
Mr. Skeptical The bible should be renamed ‘God’s guide to Genocide’
Margaret Barrett I definitely agree, Genesis has nothing good in it at all.
Oh you’ve seen nothing yet... wait till we get to the Song of Solomon🤣
Jimbus Rift Give it up... they don’t actually have sex
Just a lot of oral sex
@@Nickname10344 That is still sex, oral sex is a type of sex.
I tell you Friendly Atheist. You need to make the movie of this.
I will support
I was wondering. Could Lot offering his daughters to a rapacious mob be the first recorded attempt at conversion therapy?
It's obviously obscenely bad for the daughters, but modern therapy is also obscenely bad for the clients, so the moral equivalence seems similar.
True.
Goes to show that womens rights were less valuable than curing the gay.
Its a wonder why anyone holds these people up in theae stories as any kind of moral standard
Genesis 19 is why I’m an atheist today. The “hero” of the story offers his daughters up to be gang raped. Neither angel objects. Lot is still saved by God’s mercy in the end.
I believe rape to be one of the three most immoral things a person can do (alongside slavery and torture). Clearly, I have morals that didn’t come from the bible. If those morals didn’t come from the bible, then how can I honestly say ANY of my morals came from it. If I don’t need the bible for morality, then I don’t need it at all. And another atheist is born.
Michael Zedd welcome to the club
Same!!
Mr. Friendly Atheist doesn’t sound so friendly, more acerbic and bitter. So because they were engaged implies they weren’t virgins? That is assuming a lot. The culture at the time valued guests. If they were under a host’s care, the host offered all the protection they could. I don’t condone this, but then, Lot offered his daughters according to the custom at the time. That sounds awful to us, but by offering his family to placate the mob in order to save others under his care was considered noble. Aspects of that host/guest mindset still exist today in Middle East. A host will protect their guests, at all costs. The story doesn’t imply the incest was good. It just describes it as having happened, warped as it is.
Sei Owens I agree! Mr . Friendly Atheist is not always friendly! He makes some valid points, nevertheless! And I agree, Of course the culture and customs were different back then!!
And this is what I believe it to be: a partly historical account about the culture and religion of those ancient people!
What I don’t agree on is that this book is the true and literal word of God and that we need it to draw from it our moral values
@@seiowens3970 There's friendly and then there's incest and rape apologia. I think it is reasonable to get somewhat offended by rape. As for the daughter's chastity. I went back and listened. He specifically says some versions of the bible say married. So not really that unreasonable an assumption.
As for protecting guests. I guess that seems noble enough. How come the three men didn't try and fight the mob first, or run away? When you take your problem and forcibly make it someone else's you have not solved a moral issue.
If the bible is just a collection of stories. It's a weird and often disgusting group of stories. If it's a group of parables meant for morality. Well, *at best* ,they are very outdated. If it's supposed to be the literal word of God. Well any god that behaved in such a manner deserves no praise.
Edit: I don't know how familiar you are with the bible. But the bible does basically imply this incest is good or at least necessary. Because it uses Lot's male lineage thru his daughter's sons to justify later biblical events. Remove Lot as the father and the Abrahamic line to certain later characters is severed. One recurring theme in the bible is brother against brother, or family against family. The Moabites and Ammonites end up often being an enemy of Israel.
So Lot came to the mountain the next day and looked back. But he didn't turn into a pillar of salt. This is an origin story and there are rocks which resemble pillars of salt. It's like all mythology and fables people wrote about their surroundings. Very typical of the time, and something people in the XXI century shouldn't take seriously anymore.
The story would have the same validity if Lot's wife had turned into a head of lettuce.
@@JamesRichardWiley Romaine?
I imagine Ken Ham and his followers finally got round to reading Genesis and were like, "Wait that's just the first chapter? Best not finish this book, it's already pretty difficult to justify this Christianity lark."
I see that the angels didn't go looking for good people among the women or the children...
God stacking the deck a little. "Fine, I'll spare the town if I find 10 good people, so I'll only ask 9 people then pass judgement."
That makes two chapters where the characters are able to negotiate with God to successfully make him change his mind, even if he also goes back on his agreement with Abe.
And what about the birthright nonsense with Jacob and Esau? Not only does Jacob only need to trick his father to get the birthright, but nobody can undo it once the trick is revealed!
finally subscribed you. amazing dude, really great job. lots of best wishes from pakistan. ex-muslim Atheist here.
You ought to skip Genesis for a sec and read Judges 19 and 20 before going back to Genesis 20.
Legitimate question: if his daughters aren't married (because they've never been with a man, and usually isn't there a consumation of marriage pretty quick in the Bible?) then how does Lot have son-in-laws? Son in laws are when a man gets married to your child, right? Unless I've mistaken something.
You are asking the bible to make sense...good luck.
When your mom is also your sister 😳
And your grandma is a pillar of salt.
And the family tree looks like a mangrove
"Televisa presenta" :D
@Michael Miller Since we know about DNA we also know that the resulting offspring has higher chances on genetic diseases. Science gives a framework for objective morality.
@Michael Miller Look Michael, the bible came up with the idea, now I see that you'd love to keep doing it, maybe to please your god, but it's really not a good idea, you know, no contraception is 100% safe.
The Bible is so messed up. Just unbelievable....
But it's weird.I just could not see that when I was a Christian.Maybe some angel struck me "spiritually" blind? Or maybe he supernaturally brainwashed me in an instant?
@Zeal! While that is true,whether the pastor knew that he was doing that or not-a book coming from a god for whom nothing is impossible should be so clear that there would be no need for manipulation or interpretation(s).It should be at least as clear as a manual on how to defuse or dismantle a live nuclear missile/bomb.And if a god of the impossible truly inspired it,then he sure as hell wouldn't have imprinted it on papyrus or parchment-a material which deteriorates rapidly.I don't see why he could not have created a magic book that,when opened,would automatically be both readable and understandable and clear to whoever opens the book-in their understanding and metal level/i.q.and in their language.And he could have made it supernaturally transported to whoever he wanted to read it-or something like that.Now that would be both impressive and mind-blowing!
Please watch Shamounian channel. The guy is living encyclopedia of bible. He have good answers to weird issues to random readers of bible.
That's because you are lost and don't believe.
No fhe bible is the best and every thing in it is true
Turned Lot's wife into Pringles chips? That was very funny. 😆
This whole chapter makes a lot more sense if Lot was trying to start a new brothel in Sodom and referred to his prostitutes as daughters, which was a common thing in ancient times. The 'townsfolk' were the already established brothels who were ticked off that Lott was stealing their business. The demand about "having sex" was really a demand to patronize one of their prostitutes.
@@harveywabbit9541 I don't know what you meant by that. Are you saying they were establishing the Greek constellations?
@@harveywabbit9541 You need to get a firmer grasp on reality.
More messed up than Cersei and Jaime Lannister's relationship. At least those two were actually in love with each other.
Keep going with these, please. Seriously-the entire Bible. These are great.
Please ask god for forgiveness. Don't change the Bible.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. And he'll never be able to understand the Bible. You need spiritual eyes to understand it. That's why he told the last Church Age which is Revelation Chapter 3:14-22 verse 18 he tells the church and the people what to do, so they can see. See in the Bible means to understand.
Message to the Church in Laodicea
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
How did Able know to bring the right sacrifice unto God? Able brought a lamb. But his brother Cain brought the fruits of the field. Able knew by faith which is revelation that it was the blood that did it. Able was the son of Adam. Cain was the son of Satan. Remember when Jesus Christ ask his disciples the question about who does thou say I am in the book of Matthew 16:13
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
So without revelation you'll never understand the Bible. I don't what your education is. Remember Paul was a highly educated man. He was taught by one of the greatest teacher in that time. Gamaliel. Paul said that everything he learned he had to forget to find Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Until you get the spirit of God you'll never understand it. It's not for you because you doubt it.
For you who's made negative comments about the Bible. Do me a favor, and read this scripture and keep it in your memory, so when it happens you'll how blind and lost you are. I pray that the would open eyes before it happens though.
Revelation 13:16. The Mark of the Beast
16. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. 666 is the Pope. Research his crown. Also read Revelation 17 the entire Chapter, and pay attention to the colors of garments, and research and how it's decked in jewels and a golden cup. Who killed and tortured all the saints in the Middle and Dark Ages? She's sits on 7 mountains. Church in the Bible means woman. Research who's sitting on these mountains. Oh I could keep going, but I'll stop. Research it and repent.
Woman on the Beast
1. And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2. With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
The Mystery Explained
7. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
@@ncgod1408 lmao he is not changing the Bible, he is just reading it word by word. Verbatim, no changes. No cherry picking, ready the whole thing
I like that “ even the loopholes include incest and rape”. It really made me smile. 😀
I have never taken the bible seriously but these readings have me both in fits of laughter and truly amazed at how ANYONE can take any moral value from it let alone preach such twisted morality to others.
This happens to be trump's favorite bed time story...
XD
Is that the motivation for MOAB? Sweet
One of the theories around that is that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by a nuclear weapon. That would explain the salt pillar, kind of
Is anyone surprised that Lot - of all people - was the so-called virtuous man that was "spared"?
Not surprised at all by the choice. That's basically Christianity in a nutshell.
@Gods Servant Haha:)) Christian snowflake
@Gods Servant Even granting the premise that god exists, it's a disgusting thing to do - to kill and spare based on that. Hell, to kill and spare at all. There was nothing virtuous about the Lot character.
Which is my point.
That it points to a non-virtuous, so-called god.
@Gods Servant You are so triggered. The truth hurts, huh?
Lot wanted the village to rape his daughters. He's not "virtuous".
The only thing he was trying to prevent was homosexuality. Which is asinine to think that it's something immoral.
I've read the bible.
It's full of disgusting things like this.
Mr Snowflake.
Go take your pills.
All you're doing is showcasing how moronic and indoctrinated you are.
Just a Christian going by and saying hi, God loves you all.
In the midst of all this craziness, it was nice of the author to let us know that the bread they made definitely did not contain yeast.
The bible would be half its current size if they cut all the long random descriptions.
Yeast is major symbolism throughout the bible
Yes yeast, meaning your probably are going to have to leave this place in a hurry so, don’t use leaven because you don’t have the time to let it puff up the doe. All so leaven is something that’s looked at as bad doctrine...so if the word of G-D is looked at as bread and their is not leaven in it, then your understanding hasn’t been influenced by any outside sources.
Viejo Delentes their is nothing wrong with long descriptions that appear to be random. Everybody’s mind works differently, some ppl can remember almost every detail of an account in their life. Now when police do detective work they might ask questions that seem random but, they use thing like names place names ,ppl, time, geography so they can get a corresponding picture of what you said occurred and see if it matches. This show more than a level of confidence about the Bible’s accuracy, showing that more likely, that source were from eyewitness accounts.
I wouldn’t even read this for leisure as a fiction novel. God can’t find 10 righteous men on his own? What bullshit!
Yeah, that would be a problem because they can interbreed and then Noah would have had liger cubs. ;-)
10:26 to sin against The Holy God is death.For the wages of sin is death;but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus christ our Lord.
Just the same with the Devil , but when you defy him the outcome is a fate of never ending torment with him....
Reading about Lot's daughters was one of the first cracks in my faith in Christianity,
This is like the worst fan fiction
Thank you for making this video. I always look forward to this.
The entire Old Testament (especially) is *ironclad proof* that men create gods in their own image, and not vice-versa - just like the Greeks, Romans, and every other tribe throughout history.
First video I’ve found, and I’m hooked. This is brilliant
The sad thing is,when you criticise this story for being so whacky,religious people will say to you “well bro you dont have the intelligence and wisdom to understand the word of god,you arr unfit to read the bible,only a person like falwell or kent hovind can understand it because they are chosen and you’re not”. I mean if the shoe wont fit,should you chop your toes to fit on it?ofcourse not.bible is the most successfull con job in the human history.
This is the best analysis of the Bible so far. Genesis 19 should be enough for most people to say that the Bible is a bunch of crazy stories.
Sunday School and Biblestudy group skipped this details, somehow.
The Bible is the sacred word of a Bronze Age tribal god named Yahweh.
And I am supposed to care because...
Why god had to send angels to find 10 people. He should know doesnt he knows all things
He's like the gods of the Greek pantheon. More powerful than humans, but not
all-powerful. Knows more than humans. but not all-knowing.
Friendly Atheist just assumes the angels were trying to find people. The Bible never says it
@@Nickname10344 so why were they there?
TERMINATAH to get Lot & Co
@@Nickname10344 did you know that if the angels had found 10 righteous people Sodom wouldn't have fallen. Did you know that the angels actually never took them out the just told them to leave. c'mon man. Read and comprehend the story.
this was classically hilarious. cant wait for the end of the trilogy of comedy horror in genesis 20
I am SO happy I found your channel!
Did anyone else get an evangelical Trump 2020 ad while watching this video?
I already know what will happen because of dark matter 2525
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Been watching these, they're so funny, they're brilliant, If I'd have know the old testament was this funny I'd have actually read it.
If 2 strangers came to your door and said god was going to destroy your town you wouldn’t believe them. You’d call 9-11 and have them arrested.
Mrs. Lot's wife XD LMAO At least you tried to give her a name. None of the writers seemed to care. They just needed a victim to blame for curiosity and not eaves dropping when the two strangers threatened the whole town with death and gave Lot instructions on how to escape it and who better than Lot's wife to get out of the way so Lot's daughters could date-rape him because the nearby town was too far away to preserve the family line.
How far are nearby towns anyway if two engaged women can't reach it before they're unable to get pregnant? I bet they had the same tour guide as Moses will get. "There's the town, I will get you there safely but now I will get you lost for forty years. Better stack some booze to date-rape your father or you'll never have children."
Another informative video. Thank you
Just so you know, every time the name 'god' is said out loud, he has an excuse to come and have a look. And I think he does, probably to check if the missionary was being remembered. And if too much of the holy spirit was used.
"Sometimes you have to think inside the box" - Lot
I love this series. Each installment makes me laugh more and more.
Same 😂
I think everything about these videos are so clever. Well done, He Man T.
Thanks for the laugh friendly. I needed this
The most disturbing part of the story is that god approves the behavior of lot’s daughters he doesn't try to intervene or give good advice he just lets it happen,....but in Leviticus he doesn't approve that sort of behavior one confused individual
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Well shit, Yahweh may had forbid incest in Leviticus but it didn’t stop the fact that we came from it in Genesis, according to Christianity.
Plus, Lot’s daughters and Noah’s sons both already saw their father’s nakedness. So too late for Yahweh.
Who or what is wacthing all this things happening ??? It sound like there was another person there just being witness to all this 😘💖
Anyone that’s ever been told a badly translated, unpolished, fictional story by someone is used to hearing stories told this way
@@BrianBakerCA u mean like. Da 3 little pigs ? Somebodies story ? HIS STORY 😎
Juanita Martinez what? I’m not sure if there’s a language barrier or not but I don’t know what you’re saying lol
Thanks for doing this chapter.
I always thought salt was a weird thing for Lot's wife to turn into.
I'm not an atheist, but in your defence these are verses you'll never hear quoted in church. When a hysterical baptist woman told me that catholics used an abridged Bible, I quoted her a passage from Genesis 19 that she had never heard, and her husband was the pastor.. :)
I didn’t realize this was the pillar of salt story😂🙄🙄🙄 wooow I did not know this was the whole story
Twenty-five years ago the New York Times reported that geologists studying the area around the purported location of Sodom suggested that the story of Lot's wife was an origin myth that sought to explain the presence of naturally occurring formations in the area. Here is an explanatory passage from the article: "The geologists said that Lot's wife did not appear to turn into a pillar of salt because she dared to look back but because of the briny nature of the Dead Sea . . . Mr. Harris said by telephone from Canada that the Dead Sea was full of salt floes that might have been thrown up by surging water to resemble a female outline. 'Hence legend is created out of what can now be explained as a simple geological phenomenon,' he said." Harris also speculated that "saturated soil and highly flammable bitumen, rather than God's wrath, was apparently behiind the demise of [Sodom and Gomorrah."
So, do you think that this is an example of how one should behave?
I don't think any bible believer, who read this chapter thinks: "Yes, this is how I must behave."
Why do you need a 2000+ year old book, pastors or a invisible person in the sky to tell you how to think or whats right or wrong?
@@Nikk82115
Because without a God there is no ultimate standard of good and evil, there's only the majority opinion of the people, and that can lead to horrible standards. Because ultimately, humans are not altruistic but selfish. And if the wrong people get into power, society will take steps into the wrong direction.
@@Matty0311MMS Well im sorry you feel that way and are unable to think for yourself.
@@Nikk82115
So what you're saying is, I should be making my own standard of good and evil, instead of the one God gave through His commandments?
That's brilliant, let the people deside, what good and evil is, that has never led to disastrous consequences.
I am thinking, I'm thinking about what God thinks about my actions. Maybe that would be a good mindset for people.
@@Matty0311MMS So you look to a book that promotes murder, rape, slavery, insest, genocide, genital mutilation and many other horrible things for a way you should act in life? 👍
God did not tell Lot to say or do that. Lot made that terrible offer on his own. The fact that they left that in scripture makes me believe the authenticity of the Bible even more. They could have removed that if they wanted to hide something.
That's like saying Little Red Riding Hood made a terrible decision talking to the wolf. :-)
Angels have to go to bed? I didn't know that.
Kkkkk
Another layer of misogyny: Lot looked at the ruined city without problems while his wife was turned to salt!
Gerald McFarlin huh
Title: "Everything Wrong With Genesis 19 in the Bible"
Followed by: Just read Genesis 19
Yes, seriously, PLEASE keep it up!? These are sooo funny and intelligent! I'm laughing so hard!😂😂😂✌
Just as a side note, I'm pretty sure the town of Sodom (or at least this story) came before the word sodomize.
And both daughters had to 'DO' Lot repeatedly for a week or more to insure that they got knocked up.
Some one is trying his best to find mistakes .
You don't have to look too hard.
and having great success
Shame!!! These are desperate fools with intention to disturbilize other religion. Salvation is personal so why trying to attack the Bible? Your quoran is a dictator book. Your custom in quoran is full of intimidating and threats to those who may quetion its authenticity. You force everyone to belive in your man. Now I know the reason your quoran allow to kill who ever goes against or corrects your mistakes in your faith. Are you judges on behalf of Jehovah? Coward of cowards. Let Christianity alone and work on your own beliefs in your human gods.
@@muchachandra3938 eeeh... whose is "your" quoran? As far as the author of the channel, he is atheist and used to be a jainist (those do not follow quoran). furthermore, islam is still abrahamic religion. so the god is about the same.
(btw, if salvation is personal, why not attack the bible? it's a book, an erring one at best nonetheless.)
@@te-ter sorry let not the book written by man confuse us so that we remain devided forever. The fact is we are all God's creation. we should not be divided by opinions of any author of religious books. We all claim to talk to God but no one has ever heard his physical voice. Let's focus on salivation
What possible message was the writer of this story trying to convey, incest OK if the possible mates are nowhere to be found/deemed undesirables/forbidden?
OI YOU
I came up with that "It's Lot with his daughters, not Lot with his sons." line years ago! >:(
Lot is the worst father ever, but meets god's expectations for a "good" person.
Remember God isn’t the smart one here, it’s Abraham, very clever, intelligent, capable, businessman.
Why, if God is as powerful and 'good at the killing' as claimed in the bible, would Lot have to leave the city? Couldn't God do the destruction around Lots house?
It would have been more impressive to leave Lots house the only one standing amongst the rubble. More to the point too.