Spoilers, but I like that Cheung's plot was foreshadowed with Moore's briefing, then the author let me forget that point, then hit me in the face with it at the end. Well done.
chapter 11...doctor..in her first few sentences shows the whole ''doctor patient confidentiality'' part....moments later in the conversation with the advocate... talks about him hoarding info and herself sharing as much she can.... riiiight.... and that jams with her earlier words of ''if you want to know that you have to ask him yourself'' XD hmm.... wonder if someone forgot the logic in ther conversation/proffesions for a moment or if i missed something ^^
Humanity: Allow us to introduce a part of our culture unto you. We don’t practice it as much anymore but over the centuries we have become exceedingly efficient at it. Aliens: What is that? Humanity:…..GENOCIDE
Did you pronounce 'Tirluuk' eight different ways throughout these stories on purpose? I swear, you only said it the same way twice in a row two or three times.
Yeah instead of the whole arrogant "You don't know anything, I'm just gonna walk away" bull. Like lady, your species was enslaved by your husbands. You might want to tell this human, who you've never met, screaming about saving you, "hey bro, it's cool, we're all free here." Honestly your husband could've chosen better, but alas many human males make these mistakes.
Spoilers for anyone reading the comments on the final part before listening to it: The actual nuance this story shows is head and shoulders above most HFY stories. 7 out of 10 of them are like "the aliens did awful things to us so we eradicated them from existence." Another 2/10 seem much to quick to assume humanity would or could just forgive and forget. This is that last one out of 10.
I've always hated the HFY stories that end in humanity genociding aliens or magically going from being a single-system society to dominating the galaxy by just fighting some aliens. It's a real breath of fresh air, seeing an HFY story that feels so grounded.
I absolutely love these stories. This one hits hard. It made me laugh, and at one point, my eyes watered. I started listening to these stories as an end-of-day ritual. It's an excellent way to wind down at the end of the day. Thank you for the narration.
@@noway8259 a “conspiracy of nutters” whom were enslaved and killed for years with no guarantee of continued survival even after they excised the very race that forced them into the galactic stage. Not to mention said race was part of a union that was at least mostly either complicit or even supportive (as denoted by the alien called to trial) of their actions. Even if the story itself showed that there are some members of the species that don’t agree with the enslavers actions, they’re in a minority to the point that it doesn’t stop them from continuing to abduct species. Humanity doesn’t have the manpower, nor resources and time to defend themselves from the entire union. This was their best plan given the situation. But it’s a story at the end of the day and a relatively short one given the potential here.
I imagine that the narrator has a 🧐 and a pipe in his smoking jacket reading the books. I just know that when you do see what they look like you have a different person in mind. Always a little disappointed like radio DJs.
I think the narrator is south African. But I may be mistaken, we talked about it 2 years ago. Regardless the guy that narrates these is a great narrator and a genuine guy that really likes our input. That being said.... I think he seriously may be wearing a read smoking jacket, with his porn stash and pipe reading us some epic stories. Whatever he looks like it won't stop me from listening because it's all about his epic voice.
@@noway8259from an objective viewpoint, yes. But I am sure the billions of humans that were enslaved for decades have a very different feeling about it. Obviously they're not being fair here, they're getting vengeance. That's the point
@@noway8259I don’t think the point was to represent a morally and ethically sound take on it. There’s a reason vengeance and justice are only occasionally synonymous.
I just wish there were at least a couple more voice talents but this story and he others are most enjoyable. I especially appropriate of the Andre Norton 'esque universe building with different story lines still employing the same universe
Also, always question why a Senior Officer of an Enemy Military...willing through themselves at you to stand for trail....where all you world leaders would be in attendance
...not nothing to lose..... ...no sh*ts left to give. When you no longer fear....you are free. That's when the darkness blossoms full. Take it from a combat veteran.
The story was pretty good and well written didn't feel cheese or contrived the side plot with wex didn't necessarily work for me but I know it was necessary to establish that not all of the enemies were unforgivable , I could almost feel the concentrated fury of humanity just in the description of the battle above the "tirluuk" homeworld. And the ending was pretty good, and felt like genuine human response to decades of injustice. swift, deadly all while pushing the ball foreward.
[SPOILER ALERT] Overall I liked this story but I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the ending. The subject of the Tirluuk doomsday weapon was introduced but never resolved, and it was never even revealed to the Union court as a potential justification for the total war waged against the Tirluuk. The plague could still be released and the implications of doing so would have been the same, but it would have been more satisfying if it was done after the Union showed they didn't care about the Tirluuk plan to exterminate humanity.
Well, I was wondering where the Humans are Space Orcs bit was. Like, the Exterminatus was pretty extreme but I’m guessing all those pre invasion liberal democracies that may have been interested in peace and cooperation didn’t survive thirty years of slavery, torture and murder. That ending makes the humans far more vile than their enemies. An entire culture that had mercy and compassion beat out of it, set loose as a true psychopath
Demons fear when a good man goes to war. Truth be told though, I don't think that humanity has cut loose like a psychopath because they are still allowing for surrender. I would argue that there's a strong justification for such action as necessary self defense given that a) humanity was attacked unprovoked, b) the threat is credible, immediate, and existential, and c) the overwhelming odds make any lesser action unlikely to succeed. Moreover, to paraphrase Carl Benjamin, a victim acting in self defense is morally justified in stacking bodies like doom guy until the attackers either stop coming or are no more. Although, in the case of the ending of this story, it left off before that, with humanity brandishing the metaphorical gun and the ball in the aliens' court of whether it'd go to that extreme or not.
@@aidandruck2423 I disagree. Defending your individual self from a group of attackers is one thing, but being attacked and then secretly placing bombs in the homes of not just your attackers but even people completely unrelated to the attack and saying, “You work for me or you all die” is 100% evil and unjustified. The galactic community was willing to offer a harsh but non-existentially threatening punishment for our war crime to which we replied, “We don’t think we did anything wrong and we’re okay with adding all of you to the body count”. To use the Templin Institute’s logic, imagine this happened on Earth. So hypothetically, the Uyghur people, who have been oppressed and brutalized, rise up and defeat their Chinese overlords. After a long bloody war they arrive outside of Beijing and after having slaughtered entire cities of civilians, a force from the international community intervenes and protects the city. They, in response, nuke the city. The UN is understandably pissed about the wanton slaughter and brings the war criminal general who ordered the attack in which culminates in the Uyghurs being offered a deal to return to their borders and be effectively restricted and protected by an international force. The Uyghurs decide that the excessive slaughter of civilians was justified and that the entire international community is just as guilty for their suffering as the Chinese. Therefore they release a bio weapon that will kill all non-Uyghur or Uyghur allies unless those people recognize them as their new overlords. After all, they need to defend themselves, and if that means killing 90% of the population, it’s okay. However unrealistic this scenario might seem, it is effectively the story that was presented to us. But I believe this recontextualized version demonstrates the excessive response in the story. While MAYBE you could justify the humans actions up to the destruction of the Tiluuk empires home world, threatening to, and developing the capability to, drive everyone else to extinction, for the crime of complacency, is wrong. Honestly, with such a disgusting power play humanity is going to have to watch its back. Everyone left alive is going to have huge incentives to develop bio weapons to kill their new overlords, after all, they need to defend themselves…
@@atmosquake3090 hmm... cant help to feel its a bit flawed analogue though at least the start part , since in a ''if demographic x made successful liberation war vs nation etc'' ....if the analogue be made to match in size of the galactic situation it be more like the UN intersecting having a battalion of U.N troops bump down at the town built right next to occupied territory with resources stolen from the natives where a bunch of government agencies used them as slave labour trying to run in and rip the weapons out of the former slaves hands to stop the bloodbath despite having been aware of what was happening earlier.... all while the slavers media still is declaring ther intentions to exploit the natives as soon they are strong enough to force them once agen..... aka... you cant complain on a enslaved or worse cultures or peoples personal judgement on those that did it to them... and the ones of ther 'faction' that where fully conscious about that ther wealth was built on exploiting others... after all the alien slavers intel showed it it not was limited to ther leaders but a ''might makes right' moral for ther society.. if you place yourself between those kinds of 'factions' ..specially if you knew about the situation beforehand you cant complain when the ones thats 'returning' the favors takes you as a new ...variable... into the tactical theater.. on the other hand if the retribution craving resurgent forces is starting to stomp towards other nations beyond the one that attacked and enslaved them directly ,thats when you can step in and try interject diplomacy to calm things down.. basicly , an group cannot expect internal rules etc to apply to the actions of an outsider that a member of thers attacked ,it be like said outsider expecting ther group to act according to said outsiders rules or vaules ;)
@Random Platypus with Internet You can try to justify Genocide all you like, but it does not make you the good guy. The story states that humanity attacked and destroyed multiple colonies of the Tirluuk, exterminating most of the population as they went. Then they reached the Tirluuk home world and stripped the planets biosphere, indiscriminately killing all slaver and innocent and abolitionist alike. Finally, humanity met with the galactic community after the Third Fleet negotiated surrender. They did so not to argue their case and accept responsibility for their own wrongdoing, however justified it may have been, but to spread a bio weapon to kill everyone from the Space Pope to Jimmy the Seaweed Farmer if they don’t agree to be enslaved to the Terran Imperium. Are these actions defensible, no. The story even pointed out that not even all Tirluuk were on board with the plan. The galactic community gave humanity a chance to justify their actions and win sympathy and support. Humanity went too far. Want an analogy? Here’s an easy one. After Germany’s defeat in WW2 the Allies decide that the genocide, murder, slavery and other crimes against humanity are so great that the answer is to exterminate 90% of ALL German peoples, regardless of their involvement in said crimes. How noble. How just. Complacency is not a crime. Most people are unconcerned about the people getting murdered halfway round the world, hell they can hardly be bothered unless it’s in their own country. We have only so much care to give about things we feel powerless to stop. It only gets worse if society supports that behavior. Tons of Germans didn’t like the Nazis but those who fought against them tended to end up dead, most people decided that as long as they were good little workers and soldiers they could continue to live decent lives and provide for their families. Did they know about the camps, maybe, but, with exceptions of course, most people would rather live as cowards than die as heroes. Should these people be punished for not dying heroically? Evil triumphs when good men do nothing. Good men don’t commit the same acts as evil men.
@@atmosquake3090 You are indeed right of course. While the other races deserved heavy punishment for being so complacent in one of their union's members enslaving countless worlds and only stepping in when one of those worlds started fighting back, going "We either become your overlords or you all die" is too much. That's just evil. Punishing the innocent many for what a guilty few have done. But I feel like this is exactly what humanity would do in this situation. Probably only a handful or two would even know about the bioweapon plan, and the majority of humanity would probably agree this was going way too far. But it would probably still happen. After all, all you need is a handful of people in the right places to agree to this plan for it to come to fruition.
The story was good, solid plot, emotional, decent character development, but that ending. The ending took this story from a solid 7/10 all the way to a strong 9/10. Definitely worth the listen.
one could argue that the story is demonizing "cultural acceptance" and thus promotes bigotry. I would then argue that the people making that arguments are either trying to push an agenda themselves or are gullible individuals duped into pushing that agenda. still, I see what you mean.
I am not sure about who or where this quote came from “I will spit in the face of god and walk backwards into hell" but I will remember it. I have always liked this qoute from H. L. Mencken, it seems to fit here as well. “There comes a time in every man’s life when he’s consumed by the desire to spit on his palms, hoist the black flag and start cutting throats.”
where she says she has seem 68 out of 89 species on the planet makes so much more sense at the end... it started as a thought of wonder, and changed to a change of statistics of genocide
hehehe...delicious! and yes... the end was henious ,but in a pragmatic way ,it was after all no worse then what ther galatic union dident already 'facilitate' so to speak.
This is by far my favorite story told so far that I have listened to. great writing and that ending. TRUE human tenacity and we do not go silent into the night.
The Thumbnail for this video is from a game called "Star Conflict" which is Warthunder's older brother (Literally, same company and mostly the same flight system but with much less simulation).
Wex's conversation with the Mayor is dumb as hell. The entire argument could've been avoided if Wex just offered to help Jericho become an officially recognized and supported human colony
It would never have happened. Too many god dammed Janks were there. And the humans of Earth...... we were not that "forgiving". Though, I must also admit that I do sympathize with them a bit. I am a spiritual descendant of the American Abolitionists. They might be innocent, but their race was guilty. Though, Diety above can judge them for their next life.
It's always better to not become a murderer. It's also good to save life whenever we are strong enough to do that, and that take more strength than most understand.
Holy shit that ending!!! It's like a reverse version of Star Trek's Wrath of Khan where the aliens are Kirk and the humans are Khan in the ultimate act of defiance...to the guy who wrote this.... nice job
@@blastphantomgames6369 Neither of you guys have ever been sucker punched by surprise or knocked out have you?...training doesn't help if ya don't see it coming, it's shockingly easy to lose consciousness if only momentarily and have it followed up by a debilitating beating.
@@Shamelesscritique1 indeed but you let someone in front of you fade you despite being trained. Something is not right here let me back up or basically anything you just get wished while looking directly at her for the past 5 mins
@@keithjones2194 Lol...doesn't matter if they're trained or not...if they get sucker punched and completely rocked by surprise and aren't given a single chance to defend yourself...it doesn't matter how skilled you are if ya never get a chance to use ya training. The guy in the story let his guard down and underestimated the threat...and that's all it takes...even the greatest heavy weight boxers and MMA fighters can and have been dropped by a single well placed blow Oh and being a soldier doesn't automatically mean you're some CQC, kung-fu, brazilian jujitsu master either...nor does it mean that you can actually take a punch to the head because believe it or that's not something you can actually train or condition for...some people just naturally have glass jaws and even worse undeniable badass tough guys often develop glass jaws after years of fighting and repeated blows to the head.
Just finishing chapter 12....and surely the Mayor has to realize that if Wex never reports back that the Fleet is gonna check up on his last reported position. No matter what they do to him, the rest of Humanity is gonna rock up and knock on their door. Maybe this will get addressed as I listen further
The fleet admiral isn’t a patriot, he is a crusader. Locked in on one mission, one outcome. There will be no compromises. There will be no concessions. Aloof Complacency is tantamount to accessory and therefore the verdict is the same. By any means possible. This is humanity at its hardest and least humane.
You do not take from a man and expect him to be happy about it. Eventually, he will take back in kind. Take away everything, do not be surprised of the result. Man ever wonts for freedom.
but did he really infect them or just make them believe he did??.......i smize he was dying of lung cancer or TB and scared them into surrender............lol brilliant concept was he lying or telling the truth???
"Oh crap! It's the humans !" best religion ever
I think that was made after the union fell.
Helluva way to make him remember...... ripping out his eyes by hand, personally sure will leave an impression
"from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee" was on my mind as I heard the ending.
if my chest were a cannon, I'd fire my heart at thee ! even though it kills me !
now That's HATE!
This was beautiful! Thanks for telling the story.
Absolutely loved this story!!! Thank you very much for an outstanding episode 😎
…BeWell,BeSafe…
Spoilers, but I like that Cheung's plot was foreshadowed with Moore's briefing, then the author let me forget that point, then hit me in the face with it at the end. Well done.
WOW!! I didn’t see that coming!! Can not blame them/us!!’
chapter 11...doctor..in her first few sentences shows the whole ''doctor patient confidentiality'' part....moments later in the conversation with the advocate... talks about him hoarding info and herself sharing as much she can....
riiiight.... and that jams with her earlier words of ''if you want to know that you have to ask him yourself'' XD hmm.... wonder if someone forgot the logic in ther conversation/proffesions for a moment or if i missed something ^^
For the Emperor and the Algorithm..
damn that was a wild ride
thanks for the story and narration
Dang ch2 would be an awesome movie or series
Great stories.
first for the random squirrel!
:) noice
🥜
Humanity: Allow us to introduce a part of our culture unto you. We don’t practice it as much anymore but over the centuries we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
Aliens: What is that?
Humanity:…..GENOCIDE
Hell yeah Admiral o7
Excellent
Not sure why skip here are insert there? Copy tights? Either way you do a good job. Thanks
The ending! The ending! RAAAAASK!
Im really starting to hate how 99% of these stories just end on a cliff hanger. Just finish the damn story!😫
Did you pronounce 'Tirluuk' eight different ways throughout these stories on purpose? I swear, you only said it the same way twice in a row two or three times.
Yesss
the end wrapped it up too soon.
Im sad George died 😢
(not a spoiler)
Yuck
1:20:30 To be fair if she’d explained instead of just saying “mister you’re an idiot.” Her husband likely wouldn’t have been shot.
Seriously! I was fucking screaming at her to just explain!
well they probably all died too due to the disease
If you don't mind. How did you include that link.
@@channingdeadnight just type a time and it automatically links to that place in the video
example: 0:00
Yeah instead of the whole arrogant "You don't know anything, I'm just gonna walk away" bull. Like lady, your species was enslaved by your husbands. You might want to tell this human, who you've never met, screaming about saving you, "hey bro, it's cool, we're all free here."
Honestly your husband could've chosen better, but alas many human males make these mistakes.
Spoilers for anyone reading the comments on the final part before listening to it: The actual nuance this story shows is head and shoulders above most HFY stories.
7 out of 10 of them are like "the aliens did awful things to us so we eradicated them from existence."
Another 2/10 seem much to quick to assume humanity would or could just forgive and forget.
This is that last one out of 10.
I've always hated the HFY stories that end in humanity genociding aliens or magically going from being a single-system society to dominating the galaxy by just fighting some aliens. It's a real breath of fresh air, seeing an HFY story that feels so grounded.
This review is more a condemnation of the genre than praise of the story.
TERRA INVICTA! AD VICTORIAN!
@@explodoboyv2 Yes, Yes, but have You heard of the GalaxyBuster9000? Can't be a genocide if there is nothing left :P
@@explodoboyv2 Those are my favorite ones actually. If that doesn't happen mankind will just be prey for the next aggressor.
That last part really encapsulates the phrase “ I will spit in the face of god and walk backwards into hell”
Mean while Kratos stabs the face of god.
@@loganshaw4527 what are you talking about?
@@loganshaw4527 Kratos isn't real bro, I'm sorry to break this to you bit he's not real
@@Elusivearth you sure about that? "human wrath incarnate" is not something even the gods want to face.
@@Elusivearth God and hell aren't real either.
I absolutely love these stories. This one hits hard. It made me laugh, and at one point, my eyes watered. I started listening to these stories as an end-of-day ritual. It's an excellent way to wind down at the end of the day. Thank you for the narration.
That end almost feels like a real human ending where we really just say fuck it see you in hell
Yes a conspiracy of nutters that decided to escalate even after obtaining their war goals is very human.
@@noway8259 a “conspiracy of nutters” whom were enslaved and killed for years with no guarantee of continued survival even after they excised the very race that forced them into the galactic stage. Not to mention said race was part of a union that was at least mostly either complicit or even supportive (as denoted by the alien called to trial) of their actions. Even if the story itself showed that there are some members of the species that don’t agree with the enslavers actions, they’re in a minority to the point that it doesn’t stop them from continuing to abduct species. Humanity doesn’t have the manpower, nor resources and time to defend themselves from the entire union. This was their best plan given the situation. But it’s a story at the end of the day and a relatively short one given the potential here.
Before I die alone, I will have VENGEANCE. I will have vengeance. I WILL HAVE VENGEANCE! I! WILL! HAVE! VENGEANCE!
He was the commander of vengeance after all.
good song, that.
I imagine that the narrator has a 🧐 and a pipe in his smoking jacket reading the books. I just know that when you do see what they look like you have a different person in mind. Always a little disappointed like radio DJs.
I think the narrator is south African. But I may be mistaken, we talked about it 2 years ago.
Regardless the guy that narrates these is a great narrator and a genuine guy that really likes our input. That being said.... I think he seriously may be wearing a read smoking jacket, with his porn stash and pipe reading us some epic stories.
Whatever he looks like it won't stop me from listening because it's all about his epic voice.
He’s …, just great..! 👍🏼😎👍🏼
Damn, that story had some SUBSTANCE in the plot
"You left us to die a slow, miserable death... this is just us returning the favor, really."
They killed the main and then 50/50 killed the co-conspirators.
The way this story treats the issue of complicity is shit.
@@noway8259from an objective viewpoint, yes. But I am sure the billions of humans that were enslaved for decades have a very different feeling about it. Obviously they're not being fair here, they're getting vengeance. That's the point
@@noway8259I don’t think the point was to represent a morally and ethically sound take on it. There’s a reason vengeance and justice are only occasionally synonymous.
I just wish there were at least a couple more voice talents but this story and he others are most enjoyable. I especially appropriate of the Andre Norton 'esque universe building with different story lines still employing the same universe
When it started to focus on him coughing i was thinking, he didnt. That glorious bastard 😂
Also...
Damn it! After listening to this story, I'm proud to be human!
I'm not, the captain took the most shameful path he could.
@@noway8259 they stood by while humanity was enslaved as well as other planets and species, they just didnt expect one to be as persistent as humanity
Never underestimate an enemy who has nothing to lose.
Also, always question why a Senior Officer of an Enemy Military...willing through themselves at you to stand for trail....where all you world leaders would be in attendance
...not nothing to lose.....
...no sh*ts left to give.
When you no longer fear....you are free.
That's when the darkness blossoms full.
Take it from a combat veteran.
More dangerous yet, one who is not allowed to win...
We have nothing to lose, but the shackles that binds us.
The story was pretty good and well written didn't feel cheese or contrived the side plot with wex didn't necessarily work for me but I know it was necessary to establish that not all of the enemies were unforgivable , I could almost feel the concentrated fury of humanity just in the description of the battle above the "tirluuk" homeworld.
And the ending was pretty good, and felt like genuine human response to decades of injustice. swift, deadly all while pushing the ball foreward.
The story was written 5 years ago...
When COVID isn't a thing..
I just wow 👌
This is exactly what humanity would actually do 100% and that is the best facking part XD
The union sat by and watched as one of their member races CREATED the monster that would destroy them all. 🤷♂️
[SPOILER ALERT]
Overall I liked this story but I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the ending. The subject of the Tirluuk doomsday weapon was introduced but never resolved, and it was never even revealed to the Union court as a potential justification for the total war waged against the Tirluuk. The plague could still be released and the implications of doing so would have been the same, but it would have been more satisfying if it was done after the Union showed they didn't care about the Tirluuk plan to exterminate humanity.
Chekhov's gun. but bigger
Well, I was wondering where the Humans are Space Orcs bit was. Like, the Exterminatus was pretty extreme but I’m guessing all those pre invasion liberal democracies that may have been interested in peace and cooperation didn’t survive thirty years of slavery, torture and murder. That ending makes the humans far more vile than their enemies. An entire culture that had mercy and compassion beat out of it, set loose as a true psychopath
Demons fear when a good man goes to war. Truth be told though, I don't think that humanity has cut loose like a psychopath because they are still allowing for surrender. I would argue that there's a strong justification for such action as necessary self defense given that a) humanity was attacked unprovoked, b) the threat is credible, immediate, and existential, and c) the overwhelming odds make any lesser action unlikely to succeed. Moreover, to paraphrase Carl Benjamin, a victim acting in self defense is morally justified in stacking bodies like doom guy until the attackers either stop coming or are no more. Although, in the case of the ending of this story, it left off before that, with humanity brandishing the metaphorical gun and the ball in the aliens' court of whether it'd go to that extreme or not.
@@aidandruck2423 I disagree. Defending your individual self from a group of attackers is one thing, but being attacked and then secretly placing bombs in the homes of not just your attackers but even people completely unrelated to the attack and saying, “You work for me or you all die” is 100% evil and unjustified. The galactic community was willing to offer a harsh but non-existentially threatening punishment for our war crime to which we replied, “We don’t think we did anything wrong and we’re okay with adding all of you to the body count”.
To use the Templin Institute’s logic, imagine this happened on Earth. So hypothetically, the Uyghur people, who have been oppressed and brutalized, rise up and defeat their Chinese overlords. After a long bloody war they arrive outside of Beijing and after having slaughtered entire cities of civilians, a force from the international community intervenes and protects the city. They, in response, nuke the city. The UN is understandably pissed about the wanton slaughter and brings the war criminal general who ordered the attack in which culminates in the Uyghurs being offered a deal to return to their borders and be effectively restricted and protected by an international force. The Uyghurs decide that the excessive slaughter of civilians was justified and that the entire international community is just as guilty for their suffering as the Chinese. Therefore they release a bio weapon that will kill all non-Uyghur or Uyghur allies unless those people recognize them as their new overlords. After all, they need to defend themselves, and if that means killing 90% of the population, it’s okay.
However unrealistic this scenario might seem, it is effectively the story that was presented to us. But I believe this recontextualized version demonstrates the excessive response in the story. While MAYBE you could justify the humans actions up to the destruction of the Tiluuk empires home world, threatening to, and developing the capability to, drive everyone else to extinction, for the crime of complacency, is wrong. Honestly, with such a disgusting power play humanity is going to have to watch its back. Everyone left alive is going to have huge incentives to develop bio weapons to kill their new overlords, after all, they need to defend themselves…
@@atmosquake3090 hmm... cant help to feel its a bit flawed analogue though at least the start part , since in a ''if demographic x made successful liberation war vs nation etc'' ....if the analogue be made to match in size of the galactic situation it be more like the UN intersecting having a battalion of U.N troops bump down at the town built right next to occupied territory with resources stolen from the natives where a bunch of government agencies used them as slave labour trying to run in and rip the weapons out of the former slaves hands to stop the bloodbath despite having been aware of what was happening earlier.... all while the slavers media still is declaring ther intentions to exploit the natives as soon they are strong enough to force them once agen.....
aka... you cant complain on a enslaved or worse cultures or peoples personal judgement on those that did it to them... and the ones of ther 'faction' that where fully conscious about that ther wealth was built on exploiting others... after all the alien slavers intel showed it it not was limited to ther leaders but a ''might makes right' moral for ther society..
if you place yourself between those kinds of 'factions' ..specially if you knew about the situation beforehand you cant complain when the ones thats 'returning' the favors takes you as a new ...variable... into the tactical theater..
on the other hand if the retribution craving resurgent forces is starting to stomp towards other nations beyond the one that attacked and enslaved them directly ,thats when you can step in and try interject diplomacy to calm things down..
basicly , an group cannot expect internal rules etc to apply to the actions of an outsider that a member of thers attacked ,it be like said outsider expecting ther group to act according to said outsiders rules or vaules ;)
@Random Platypus with Internet You can try to justify Genocide all you like, but it does not make you the good guy.
The story states that humanity attacked and destroyed multiple colonies of the Tirluuk, exterminating most of the population as they went.
Then they reached the Tirluuk home world and stripped the planets biosphere, indiscriminately killing all slaver and innocent and abolitionist alike.
Finally, humanity met with the galactic community after the Third Fleet negotiated surrender. They did so not to argue their case and accept responsibility for their own wrongdoing, however justified it may have been, but to spread a bio weapon to kill everyone from the Space Pope to Jimmy the Seaweed Farmer if they don’t agree to be enslaved to the Terran Imperium.
Are these actions defensible, no. The story even pointed out that not even all Tirluuk were on board with the plan. The galactic community gave humanity a chance to justify their actions and win sympathy and support. Humanity went too far.
Want an analogy? Here’s an easy one. After Germany’s defeat in WW2 the Allies decide that the genocide, murder, slavery and other crimes against humanity are so great that the answer is to exterminate 90% of ALL German peoples, regardless of their involvement in said crimes. How noble. How just.
Complacency is not a crime. Most people are unconcerned about the people getting murdered halfway round the world, hell they can hardly be bothered unless it’s in their own country. We have only so much care to give about things we feel powerless to stop. It only gets worse if society supports that behavior. Tons of Germans didn’t like the Nazis but those who fought against them tended to end up dead, most people decided that as long as they were good little workers and soldiers they could continue to live decent lives and provide for their families. Did they know about the camps, maybe, but, with exceptions of course, most people would rather live as cowards than die as heroes. Should these people be punished for not dying heroically?
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing. Good men don’t commit the same acts as evil men.
@@atmosquake3090 You are indeed right of course. While the other races deserved heavy punishment for being so complacent in one of their union's members enslaving countless worlds and only stepping in when one of those worlds started fighting back, going "We either become your overlords or you all die" is too much. That's just evil. Punishing the innocent many for what a guilty few have done.
But I feel like this is exactly what humanity would do in this situation. Probably only a handful or two would even know about the bioweapon plan, and the majority of humanity would probably agree this was going way too far. But it would probably still happen. After all, all you need is a handful of people in the right places to agree to this plan for it to come to fruition.
The story was good, solid plot, emotional, decent character development, but that ending. The ending took this story from a solid 7/10 all the way to a strong 9/10. Definitely worth the listen.
The ending is amazing, but my favorite part is about the welsh aliens, and Mr Dollar Nigel. 😂
This would make an epic film or TV series (providing its not politicised) really good story 🤘😎👍
An extremely politically charged story not politicized? Lmao are you on drugs?
one could argue that the story is demonizing "cultural acceptance" and thus promotes bigotry.
I would then argue that the people making that arguments are either trying to push an agenda themselves or are gullible individuals duped into pushing that agenda.
still, I see what you mean.
I am not sure about who or where this quote came from “I will spit in the face of god and walk backwards into hell" but I will remember it.
I have always liked this qoute from H. L. Mencken, it seems to fit here as well. “There comes a time in every man’s life when he’s consumed by the desire to spit on his palms, hoist the black flag and start cutting throats.”
where she says she has seem 68 out of 89 species on the planet makes so much more sense at the end...
it started as a thought of wonder, and changed to a change of statistics of genocide
That is such a beautiful layer of depth... *chef's kiss
Picard: Ah, dammit! 3rd Space Jesus this month!
Another great story, quite the we win the end.
For the algorithm.
hehehe...delicious!
and yes... the end was henious ,but in a pragmatic way ,it was after all no worse then what ther galatic union dident already 'facilitate' so to speak.
This is by far my favorite story told so far that I have listened to. great writing and that ending. TRUE human tenacity and we do not go silent into the night.
that story took a hell of a turn at the end.
A turn that was telegraphed at the very beginning of the story.
The Admiral was the embodiment of his fleet, Vengeance!
Damn good story! never saw the end coming, Fan Fucking Tastic!! Many Thanks, Keep it coming !!!!!!!!!!
The greatest weapons of the humans was one ship and one man.
Great story. Fantastic twist at the end. Well done all that contributed.
What an amazing story! A distinctive study in alien politics!
Blood for God Emperor!
Skulls for the Golden Throne!
Oh sh!t! Its the humans
Really like the new format, keeps nap time simple
TERRA INVICTA!!!
the narrator makes a story no matter how good or bad the writing is. your narrarations bring these stories to life. thankyou
Most human ending ever
The Thumbnail for this video is from a game called "Star Conflict" which is Warthunder's older brother (Literally, same company and mostly the same flight system but with much less simulation).
This was truly a brilliant story. Loved it! Humanity survives and thrives!!
I would love to see a years after story.
Very much enjoyed this..
Wex's conversation with the Mayor is dumb as hell. The entire argument could've been avoided if Wex just offered to help Jericho become an officially recognized and supported human colony
It would never have happened.
Too many god dammed Janks were there. And the humans of Earth...... we were not that "forgiving".
Though, I must also admit that I do sympathize with them a bit. I am a spiritual descendant of the American Abolitionists. They might be innocent, but their race was guilty. Though, Diety above can judge them for their next life.
The religion of 'oh shit, it's the humans' had me rolling.
Did you order the code red?
Did you order the code red?!
YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID!
The best part...
Involuntary conscription (end of chapter 7)
Someone help this sweet man with pronouncing Jimenez 😅
2 1/2 hours well spent.
This story was cool in the beginning then became GOATed at the end.
Really enjoyed this story. And the ending was great and very much unexpected.
This was an amazing story. What a plot twist! Like check mate and a half.
Vengeance incarnate.
SAVAGE! OH YEAH! Was not expecting that ending!
I really thought that Wex was going to be asked what was this rumour of a new religion called “oh crap it’s humans!!”
It's always better to not become a murderer. It's also good to save life whenever we are strong enough to do that, and that take more strength than most understand.
Wow, that ending has beef on it. Beef and bacon....
This is movie/show level stuff
ngl fleet admiral was a chad
Holy shit that ending!!! It's like a reverse version of Star Trek's Wrath of Khan where the aliens are Kirk and the humans are Khan in the ultimate act of defiance...to the guy who wrote this.... nice job
That was great but I was wandering why some of the text was as missing in your reading?
TH-cam things they get very touchy about certain words
So far really good. Except for the part where that woman on Jericho knocks out the scout with one punch. That was pretty cringe.
Facts like dude is trained for the hands
@@blastphantomgames6369 Neither of you guys have ever been sucker punched by surprise or knocked out have you?...training doesn't help if ya don't see it coming, it's shockingly easy to lose consciousness if only momentarily and have it followed up by a debilitating beating.
@@Shamelesscritique1 indeed but you let someone in front of you fade you despite being trained.
Something is not right here let me back up or basically anything you just get wished while looking directly at her for the past 5 mins
@@Shamelesscritique1 You clearly know nothing of fighting an actual trained person. That part was indeed just cringeworthy bad writing.
@@keithjones2194 Lol...doesn't matter if they're trained or not...if they get sucker punched and completely rocked by surprise and aren't given a single chance to defend yourself...it doesn't matter how skilled you are if ya never get a chance to use ya training.
The guy in the story let his guard down and underestimated the threat...and that's all it takes...even the greatest heavy weight boxers and MMA fighters can and have been dropped by a single well placed blow
Oh and being a soldier doesn't automatically mean you're some CQC, kung-fu, brazilian jujitsu master either...nor does it mean that you can actually take a punch to the head because believe it or that's not something you can actually train or condition for...some people just naturally have glass jaws and even worse undeniable badass tough guys often develop glass jaws after years of fighting and repeated blows to the head.
I listened to this twice. Very well written and narrated.
Kinda figured they'd go that route 😅
Just finishing chapter 12....and surely the Mayor has to realize that if Wex never reports back that the Fleet is gonna check up on his last reported position. No matter what they do to him, the rest of Humanity is gonna rock up and knock on their door. Maybe this will get addressed as I listen further
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Wholesome 40k Crusades are dope
The fleet admiral isn’t a patriot, he is a crusader. Locked in on one mission, one outcome. There will be no compromises. There will be no concessions. Aloof Complacency is tantamount to accessory and therefore the verdict is the same. By any means possible. This is humanity at its hardest and least humane.
FOR THE EMPEROR!! FOR MANKIND!!!
Based Fleet Admiral/Emperor is based.
You do not take from a man and expect him to be happy about it. Eventually, he will take back in kind.
Take away everything, do not be surprised of the result. Man ever wonts for freedom.
i love the star wars part
I loved the twist end.
but did he really infect them or just make them believe he did??.......i smize he was dying of lung cancer or TB and scared them into surrender............lol brilliant concept was he lying or telling the truth???
At 11:55, you missed a paragraph ❤
That first chapters SLAPS!
by any means necessary ... INDEED !!!! What a twist at the end 🤯
2:10:12 book mark
Do not go gentle into that good night.